Americans trying to remove every trace of UNSCR 1244 - Vucic

It would have been the right thing for the Russians and Vucic to have acquired the S-300 and other weapons that we might need because apparently, it is heading towards that direction regardless if we don't want it. Serbia is doing fantastic without the EU, so it's time to part ways with that concept and continue down the road we're on and defend what's ours.

careful what you wish for vucici
Haley will be next president of USA
(delon, 17 October 2018 14:32)

@ delonovic - and what? We're supposed to be scared of her? LOL

By the way, what has she done to improve the life in your "kosovaaaa" lately? Too funny!
Try putting your faith in talking to BG, the only player that matters for you, instead of whoever your next "master" in the white house will be....

UNSC 1244 gives Serbia every right to protect ALL its borders, as and when is of Serbia's choosing. Enough warnings and time will be given and Serbia and Vucic will always prefer jaw jaw to war war though patience has limitations when we see the destruction and undermining of international law throught out the world as a consequence of US diplomacy (sic).

Vucic is is right to remind the US of its and KFORs (NATO) responsibility to what they signed and only legitimacy in being present in UN recognised Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija - else they immediately qualify themselves as occupiers and their deceit will be open for all.

Oh what a tangled web we (west) weave....

careful what you wish for vucici
Haley will be next president of USA

(ivan, 17 October 2018 15:06)
Will Serbia give back all the free money it got from EU and US all these years (yet nothing free from Russia)? Do you really think you can survive without joining EU and/or NATO? Serbia is surrounded by EU/NATO countries. Until now you've survived because of free money from EU, and their investments. Wake up and smell the roses.

T remove any trace of UNSC1244 requires agreement of all members of the UNSC and since China and Russia will veto any such move this is more of a beat-up story. Must be a slow news day.

Another point about your comment that Serbia will not survive if they do not join the EU because they are surrounded by EU countries. During WWII, Serbia was surrounded by axis countries including Albania who sided with the Nazis, yet Serbia stood against them all and prevailed. Don't underestimate the Serbs.

Look people why USA will always have special place on Kosovars Hearts,With all they have USA want us to succeed and do better they don’t just support Kosovo and it’s people with UN and other organisations but they support locally and they have been doing for so long now building peace between communities,building schools,investing with all they efforts to bring peace and stability in the region.PLEASE PLEASE GOD BLESS USA PLEASE BLESS USA.Why we don’t get on with Russians and Serbs they not just Tried to wipe us from this world and done worst crime against us during the war but they have continued to date today and with all support they have investing millions just to stop Kosovo and it’s people doing better,How we can live together again,even if they were our father or mother we wouldn’t still live together after all this.One thing for sure never never never ever again under one state or together with Serbia and its mother Russia that always hides itself Behind words Serb and Serbia.

(njegos, 17 October 2018 19:38)
Comparing Great Britain to Serbia is a nice joke. Grow up man.

From Avni: "Will Serbia give back all the free money it got from EU and US all these years (yet nothing free from Russia)? Do you really think you can survive without joining EU and/or NATO? Serbia is surrounded by EU/NATO countries. Until now you've survived because of free money from EU, and their investments. Wake up and smell the roses."

Avni - An economist you are NOT! Following your logic, Great Britain will soon collapse because they are no longer in the EU, yet they are in the heart of Europe. Serbia will survive because they are attracting foreign investment from EU countries and non-EU countries alike. With more investment comes more jobs which means they will be able to retain the young and educated. Conversely, nobody is investing in Kosovo because it is unclear whether their elected leaders will be around much longer or if they will be jailed. It's no secret that corruption is rampant there and with the frozen conflict with Serbia continuing, a good portion of the world views Kosovo's status as unresolved. You can expect Kosovo's young and educated to flee to others parts of Europe and the US when they can.

Stick to your petty insults Avni, economics is way over your head.

vucic never defended serbs in kosmet I dont know what hes talking about. every time he opens his mouth he lies. serbs there suffer genocide from occupiers and uck terrorists.

(ivan, 17 October 2018 15:06)

We could better understand your post if you would kindly 1) define "fantastic" and 2) identify your country of residence.

Forget myths. This should worry Serbs more.

Godišnje se iz Srbije iseli do 60.000 ljudi: Oni koji odu iz Srbije koštaju nas 1 mlrd € https://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2018&mm=10&dd=17&nav_id=1456848

Principa:
Did you know that well over 110/183 UN member countries recognize The Republic of Kosova. Consequently, 110 countries do not recognize the borders of Serbia and there is not a thing Serbia can do about it, like it or not.

From Albanopolis: "Survived WWII? Yugoslavia was invaded in WWII like any other country in Europe. What survival?? Was that meant to be a joke?
In fact, Belgrade was taken by just 6 German solders on foot."

Albanopolis - The only joke is your lack of historical knowledge of the region. Might I suggest you put down your grandfather's book of historical revisionism? Are you denying that Yugoslavia was surrounded by countries aligned with the Nazis? Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and Italy. And within the borders of Yugoslavia after the Nazis carved it up, the Croatians, Muslims, Slovenians and your beloved Albanians of Kosovo were all to eager to side with the Nazis in the quest to kill Serbs. Did this somehow slip your memory Albanopolis? How many of your relatives fought with the Bali Kombater? You remember them don't you? They were the Albanian death squad aligned with the Nazis who murdered thousands of Serb civilians in Kosovo during WWII.

And if the Nazis took Belgrade by foot with 6 German soldiers, why then did Hitler bomb Belgrade t pieces on April 6, 1941? How many bombs fell on Tirana? Please answer. Why did Hitler have a policy of killing 100 Serbs for every German soldier killed and 50 Serbs for every German soldier wounded? Please answer. I could go on and on, but that's enough for now. I'll eagerly await your answers. LOL

Forget myths. This should worry Serbs more.

Godišnje se iz Srbije iseli do 60.000 ljudi: Oni koji odu iz Srbije koštaju nas 1 mlrd € [link]
(Avni, 17 October 2018 22:25)

Well if that is the case then the fact that pre-1999 Albos numbered 1.8 million in Kosovo but today more than 500,000 no longer live there and people are leaving at every opportunity is of no concern? At least these topics are covered in Serbia while in Albo heaven they still quote the same statistics issued by Yugoslavia.
What are you trying to say that Serbs are leaving Serbia but Albos in Kosova are still there despite no jobs? Yeah keep on dreaming.

From Avni: "Comparing Great Britain to Serbia is a nice joke. Grow up man."

Is that the best you can do Avni? Why didn't you rebut my post about Serbia surviving WII while being surrounded by hostile countries like Albania aligned with the axis powers? And if you didn't like my reference to Great Britain, which by the way was very relevant, take a look at Switzerland, Norway and Iceland, all of which are doing fine outside of the EU.

History is a good predictor of the future. Albanians have always sought to have others take care of them. From the Venetians, to the Ottomans to the Serbs and now you want the EU to take care you. Such a proud tradition Avni.

Comparing Great Britain to Serbia is a nice joke. Grow up man.
(Avni, 17 October 2018 22:09)


What's so funny? I can't see the joke.

What's so funny? I can't see the joke.
(cccc, 18 October 2018 01:12)

Maybe you should look in the mirror
(revolution, 18 October 2018 13:12)


I just did and I still can't see the joke.

... Don't underestimate the Serbs.
(njegos, 17 October 2018 19:41)

Don't overestimate the Serbs.

"Are you denying that Yugoslavia was surrounded by countries aligned with the Nazis?"

No, I'm denying this romantic view that you have that Serbia somehow and singularly - as you say - "survived WWII". Survived what? Serbia was invaded. Like any other country in the continent.
And just like any other country in the continent it had a collaborationist government, made of Nazi sympathizers, that rounded up Jews and built a concentration camp right outside Belgrade, the first "Judenfrei" city in Europe.

Because you have no arguments to defend your crazed thesis, you go - quite predictably - on a blind personal attack. I had no relatives fighting with the Balli Kombetar. All right? That settled?
And you, did you have any relatives with the Serbian State Guard? Or your relatives were with the Serbian SS? Anyone with the Serbian Volunteer Corps? Serbian Fascist Party? ZBOR? Serbian Gestapo? Chetniks? Please answer. Do you see your grandpa anywhere in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8iXIQHnHw

The fact is that the Nazis took Belgrade with just 6 solders on foot. The bombing of Belgrade happened after the coup d'état that overthrew the government that had signed the Tripartite Pact. So Yugoslavia was a Nazi ally before the coup d'etat. Nazi bombed for two days. Then a reconnaissance unit and a drunk German tourist captured the whole capital city on foot. It somehow doesn't read like a heroic Serb resistance that you've been trying to depict.

njegos: " Why didn't you rebut my post about Serbia surviving WII while being surrounded by hostile countries like Albania aligned with the axis powers?"

Survived WWII? Yugoslavia was invaded in WWII like any other country in Europe. What survival?? Was that meant to be a joke?

In fact, Belgrade was taken by just 6 German solders on foot.

Yugoslavia, like many other countries in Europe was liberated by the Red Army, since apparently it was not able to liberate itself.
Albania liberated itself, UNCSH didn't need allied forces to liberate its own country.

Before Albania was invaded, it was not aligned with the Axis powers.
After Serbia was invaded, it also had a nazi government and was aligned with the axis powers.
But neither in Albania, nor Serbia that mattered, because it was not their sovereign decision.

Every thing you wrote in a tiny sentence is wrong.

In my quest to help educate you, I recommend you read Media Cleansing by NY Times award winning journalist Peter Brock. Pay attention and take notes. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, although it may already be too late for you. LOL

What's so funny? I can't see the joke.
(cccc, 18 October 2018 01:12)

Maybe you should look in the mirror

Albanopolis - Your post is filled with so many inconsistencies I don't know where to begin.

You claim that Belgrade was taken by 6 German soldiers on foot. Then you admit that the Nazis bombed Belgrade for two straight days. If it only took 6 German soldiers to take the city on foot, why the need for bombing? Please answer.

My family were Chetniks who formed the first resistance in Europe to fight the Nazis and were responsible for saving the lives of over 500 US airmen. You still didn't answer who your family members fought for...or did they even fight?

Regarding the concentration camp Samjiste in Belgrade, it was run by the Nazis and more Serbs died there than any other ethnic group.

You claim that Serbia was invaded like any other country in Europe. Firstly, Serbia wasn't a country at the time and Yugoslavia was carved up by the Nazis after their invasion. The Croats, Muslims, Slovenians and Albanians of Yugoslavia all welcomed the Nazis and joined in the killing orgy of Serbs there. The Serbian people, against insurmountable odds, rose up and staged a coup and overthrew their gov't. after a neutrality pact was signed, and chose to fight the Nazis and their allies. This is something an Albanian like yourself can't comprehend because throughout your history Albanians assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path to lead easier lives. Such a proud history.

Hey Albanopolis - I've asked you 3 times who your family members fought with during WWII and you still haven't answered. Don't bother, you're obviously embarrasses. I would be too if my family fought on the side of the Nazis or communists, which were the 2 sides Albanians chose, but it was overwhelmingly the Nazis. Both, however, were on the wrong side of history.

You claim the Serbs put up no resistance to the Hitler. I guess the USA saw it differently. President Truman posthumously awarded Draza Mihailovich the Legion of Merit Medal for saving over 500 downed US airmen during WWII. This is the highest military mhonor a non-US citizen can receive during war time. How many medals did your heroes get awarded? Please answer.

More in my next post.

Albanopolis - Pay attention:

You can't compare WWII Yugoslavia to great Britain. GB had the support of the western allies, Yugoslavia did not at the time it was bombed.

You claim the Serbs caved in. WRONG - they took to the mountains and formed the 1st resistance to the Nazis.

You claim the Serbs collaborated. WRONG _ Why then did Time Magazine name Mihailovich Man of the Year in 1941? Why did Hitler employ a policy of killing 100 Serbs for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded? And why was Mihailovich awardes a medal from President Truman for his role in WWII if he collaborated. Please answer.

You use Phillip Cohen as a reliable source. Comical! Cohen has been discredited as a buffoon by countless credible historians. Why did the Croatians, Nuslims and Albanians pay millions to US PR firms like Ruder Finn and Hill & Knowlton to influence the western media? If the truth was on your side why the need for PR firms? Please answer.

Njegos,

The picture some so-called "Albanians" paint here about them self is a disaster. In addition to that, I fail to see even the smallest proof that they (except TLO) have anything to do with Albanians.

TLO had a single post somewhere else in the past, using (basic) Albanian phrases - so he could be Albanian. But even I can write as much in Albanian with Google translator's help.

The only two individuals here in last 15 years who proved to be Albanian are Village-Bey and Sken 1444.

Nice guys - and no one ever spoke with them without respect (except the so-called "Albanians").

So much about "racism".

There were few more - but every time an Albanian tried to talk like a normal human he was bullied by trolls who call them self Albanian. No wonder, every normal one left.

"No, I'm denying this romantic view.."

Germans indeed behaved very romantic way during the war.
You do not need long time to search for a picture of a Serb girl hanging from a tree, German soldiers laughing in front of her body. Very romantic, indeed.

"This is something an Albanian like yourself can't comprehend because throughout your history Albanians assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path to lead easier lives. Such a proud history."

If we had assimilated, we'd be Serbs by now, wouldn't we?

"Nazis bombed Belgrade for two straight days"

Does it make a difference? Even if we added two days of bombing on top of the 6-7 German solders capturing Belgrade on foot, it still doesn't make for the epic story of resistance that you've trying to depict. London was bombed as well but they didn't cave in after two days of bombing.


"The Croats, Muslims, Slovenians and Albanians of Yugoslavia all welcomed the Nazis"

And so did the Serbs. Who do you think participated in the Serbian State Guard, Serbian SS, Serbian Volunteer Corps, Serbian Fascist Party ore Serbian Gestapo? Also it was not the fringes of the society, Milan Nedic was the Chief of the General Staff of the Royal Yugoslav Army and the Minister of War in the Royal Yugoslav Government prior to occupation. He was also the Prime Minister of Serbia after the occupation.


"The Serbian people, against insurmountable odds ..."

Yeah, whatever! Philip Cohen has a nice book called "Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History"
https://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-History/dp/0890967601
where he documents Serbia's propaganda campaign to turn the history around and somehow present Serbs as victims of the Holocaust, instead of the Nazi collaborators in genocide as they truly were.
Today, even Nedic is according to the Serbian Academy one of the 100 most outstanding Serbs. Go figure!
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230347816_13

njegos: "Hey Albanopolis - I've asked you 3 times who your family members fought with during WWII and you still haven't answered"

njegos, I'm trying to politely ignore your personal questions, because you're embarrasing yourself. When someone turns an online debate with a stranger into personal, is a clear sign that he's ran out of arguments. You could declare that your family is related to Spartacus, and there is no way for anyone to know either way. So stick to the arguments if you have any. Honestly, I don't give two hoots what your family did during WWII.

"Americans trying to remove every trace of UNSCR 1244 - Vucic"

UNSCR 1244 has been dead for a long time. It was over-ruled since when over 115 countries recognized Kosovo as a sovereign country and since Kosovo's independence was confirmed by the UN International Court. Vucic is the only one trying to bring UNSCR 1244 back from the dead, LOL.

Belgrade was taken with a major trickery and luck on April 13, 1941 by Fritz Klingenberg. The bombing of Belgrade was a week earlier. After the bombing the city was paralyzed. F. Klingenberg headed a six-man unit; there were seven of them (him included) and a drunk tourist as the eight.

It was a very unusual moment of WW-II, not unlike when in mountain castle the Wehrmacht, together with U.S. Army fought against S.S.

The bombing of Belgrade was a major war crime, the perpetrators were punished later accordingly.

"You can't compare WWII Yugoslavia to great Britain. GB had the support of the western allies, Yugoslavia did not at the time it was bombed."

And so didnt' any other country invaded by the Nazis. What's your point? Didn't you say that Yugoslavia somehow exceptionally survived the Nazis?


"You claim the Serbs caved in. WRONG - they took to the mountains and formed the 1st resistance to the Nazis."

And so did a lot of other nations in Europe. Albania was invaded in April 1939. By summer of the same year, there was an antifascist guerilla group operating outside Tirana, led my Myslym Peza. Yeah, that was before Serbs took to the mountains.


"You claim the Serbs collaborated. WRONG _ Why then did Time Magazine name Mihailovich Man of the Year in 1941?"

Really? Why would you make up such a blatant lie, when it can be easily fact checked? The man of the year in Time Magazine for 1941 was Franklin Roosevelt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year

"Why did Hitler employ a policy of killing 100 Serbs for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded?"

Because he employed the same policy throughout occupied Europe.
Why did Vucic want to employ the same policy against Bosnians 50 years later?

And would you cut it out with this "Please answer"? A little chetnik puppy never scared anyone.

Albanopolis - Still not mentioning who your family fought with during WWII. I wonder why. My guess is that your people started out with the Nazis then switched to the communist Parizans when it was a foregone conclusion that the commies would win the civil war in Yugoslavia. Following the Albanian tradition of converting and assimilating to the occupier. Precisely why Albanians have no culture and history of their own.

Regarding Mihailovich and Time Magazine, my bad, the year was 1942 and Time featured him on the cover and called him the Greatest Enemy of the Axis. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. But according to you and your revisionist perspective, he collaborated with the Axis. Why didn't you comment on the Legion of Merit Medal awarded to him by President Truman? Cat got your tongue Albanopolis?

More to come.

"Albanopolis - Still not mentioning who your family fought with during WWII. I wonder why."
- Read below.

"My guess is that your people started out with the Nazis then switched to the communist Parizans"
- It's a pretty ignorant guess. You don't have a the slightest idea of who I am.

"Regarding Mihailovich and Time Magazine, my bad, the year was 1942 and Time featured him on the cover and called him the Greatest Enemy of the Axis."
- Try again another year. The link is below. Person of the Year for 1942 was Joseph Stalin.

T remove any trace of UNSC1244 requires agreement of all members of the UNSC and since China and Russia will veto any such move this is more of a beat-up story. Must be a slow news day.

careful what you wish for vucici
Haley will be next president of USA

Look people why USA will always have special place on Kosovars Hearts,With all they have USA want us to succeed and do better they don’t just support Kosovo and it’s people with UN and other organisations but they support locally and they have been doing for so long now building peace between communities,building schools,investing with all they efforts to bring peace and stability in the region.PLEASE PLEASE GOD BLESS USA PLEASE BLESS USA.Why we don’t get on with Russians and Serbs they not just Tried to wipe us from this world and done worst crime against us during the war but they have continued to date today and with all support they have investing millions just to stop Kosovo and it’s people doing better,How we can live together again,even if they were our father or mother we wouldn’t still live together after all this.One thing for sure never never never ever again under one state or together with Serbia and its mother Russia that always hides itself Behind words Serb and Serbia.

(ivan, 17 October 2018 15:06)
Will Serbia give back all the free money it got from EU and US all these years (yet nothing free from Russia)? Do you really think you can survive without joining EU and/or NATO? Serbia is surrounded by EU/NATO countries. Until now you've survived because of free money from EU, and their investments. Wake up and smell the roses.

careful what you wish for vucici
Haley will be next president of USA
(delon, 17 October 2018 14:32)

@ delonovic - and what? We're supposed to be scared of her? LOL

By the way, what has she done to improve the life in your "kosovaaaa" lately? Too funny!
Try putting your faith in talking to BG, the only player that matters for you, instead of whoever your next "master" in the white house will be....

From Avni: "Will Serbia give back all the free money it got from EU and US all these years (yet nothing free from Russia)? Do you really think you can survive without joining EU and/or NATO? Serbia is surrounded by EU/NATO countries. Until now you've survived because of free money from EU, and their investments. Wake up and smell the roses."

Avni - An economist you are NOT! Following your logic, Great Britain will soon collapse because they are no longer in the EU, yet they are in the heart of Europe. Serbia will survive because they are attracting foreign investment from EU countries and non-EU countries alike. With more investment comes more jobs which means they will be able to retain the young and educated. Conversely, nobody is investing in Kosovo because it is unclear whether their elected leaders will be around much longer or if they will be jailed. It's no secret that corruption is rampant there and with the frozen conflict with Serbia continuing, a good portion of the world views Kosovo's status as unresolved. You can expect Kosovo's young and educated to flee to others parts of Europe and the US when they can.

Stick to your petty insults Avni, economics is way over your head.

It would have been the right thing for the Russians and Vucic to have acquired the S-300 and other weapons that we might need because apparently, it is heading towards that direction regardless if we don't want it. Serbia is doing fantastic without the EU, so it's time to part ways with that concept and continue down the road we're on and defend what's ours.

Another point about your comment that Serbia will not survive if they do not join the EU because they are surrounded by EU countries. During WWII, Serbia was surrounded by axis countries including Albania who sided with the Nazis, yet Serbia stood against them all and prevailed. Don't underestimate the Serbs.

vucic never defended serbs in kosmet I dont know what hes talking about. every time he opens his mouth he lies. serbs there suffer genocide from occupiers and uck terrorists.

UNSC 1244 gives Serbia every right to protect ALL its borders, as and when is of Serbia's choosing. Enough warnings and time will be given and Serbia and Vucic will always prefer jaw jaw to war war though patience has limitations when we see the destruction and undermining of international law throught out the world as a consequence of US diplomacy (sic).

Vucic is is right to remind the US of its and KFORs (NATO) responsibility to what they signed and only legitimacy in being present in UN recognised Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija - else they immediately qualify themselves as occupiers and their deceit will be open for all.

Oh what a tangled web we (west) weave....

(ivan, 17 October 2018 15:06)

We could better understand your post if you would kindly 1) define "fantastic" and 2) identify your country of residence.

Forget myths. This should worry Serbs more.

Godišnje se iz Srbije iseli do 60.000 ljudi: Oni koji odu iz Srbije koštaju nas 1 mlrd € https://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2018&mm=10&dd=17&nav_id=1456848

(njegos, 17 October 2018 19:38)
Comparing Great Britain to Serbia is a nice joke. Grow up man.

Comparing Great Britain to Serbia is a nice joke. Grow up man.
(Avni, 17 October 2018 22:09)


What's so funny? I can't see the joke.

Forget myths. This should worry Serbs more.

Godišnje se iz Srbije iseli do 60.000 ljudi: Oni koji odu iz Srbije koštaju nas 1 mlrd € [link]
(Avni, 17 October 2018 22:25)

Well if that is the case then the fact that pre-1999 Albos numbered 1.8 million in Kosovo but today more than 500,000 no longer live there and people are leaving at every opportunity is of no concern? At least these topics are covered in Serbia while in Albo heaven they still quote the same statistics issued by Yugoslavia.
What are you trying to say that Serbs are leaving Serbia but Albos in Kosova are still there despite no jobs? Yeah keep on dreaming.

What's so funny? I can't see the joke.
(cccc, 18 October 2018 01:12)

Maybe you should look in the mirror

njegos: " Why didn't you rebut my post about Serbia surviving WII while being surrounded by hostile countries like Albania aligned with the axis powers?"

Survived WWII? Yugoslavia was invaded in WWII like any other country in Europe. What survival?? Was that meant to be a joke?

In fact, Belgrade was taken by just 6 German solders on foot.

Yugoslavia, like many other countries in Europe was liberated by the Red Army, since apparently it was not able to liberate itself.
Albania liberated itself, UNCSH didn't need allied forces to liberate its own country.

Before Albania was invaded, it was not aligned with the Axis powers.
After Serbia was invaded, it also had a nazi government and was aligned with the axis powers.
But neither in Albania, nor Serbia that mattered, because it was not their sovereign decision.

Every thing you wrote in a tiny sentence is wrong.

Principa:
Did you know that well over 110/183 UN member countries recognize The Republic of Kosova. Consequently, 110 countries do not recognize the borders of Serbia and there is not a thing Serbia can do about it, like it or not.

From Avni: "Comparing Great Britain to Serbia is a nice joke. Grow up man."

Is that the best you can do Avni? Why didn't you rebut my post about Serbia surviving WII while being surrounded by hostile countries like Albania aligned with the axis powers? And if you didn't like my reference to Great Britain, which by the way was very relevant, take a look at Switzerland, Norway and Iceland, all of which are doing fine outside of the EU.

History is a good predictor of the future. Albanians have always sought to have others take care of them. From the Venetians, to the Ottomans to the Serbs and now you want the EU to take care you. Such a proud tradition Avni.

... Don't underestimate the Serbs.
(njegos, 17 October 2018 19:41)

Don't overestimate the Serbs.

"Are you denying that Yugoslavia was surrounded by countries aligned with the Nazis?"

No, I'm denying this romantic view that you have that Serbia somehow and singularly - as you say - "survived WWII". Survived what? Serbia was invaded. Like any other country in the continent.
And just like any other country in the continent it had a collaborationist government, made of Nazi sympathizers, that rounded up Jews and built a concentration camp right outside Belgrade, the first "Judenfrei" city in Europe.

Because you have no arguments to defend your crazed thesis, you go - quite predictably - on a blind personal attack. I had no relatives fighting with the Balli Kombetar. All right? That settled?
And you, did you have any relatives with the Serbian State Guard? Or your relatives were with the Serbian SS? Anyone with the Serbian Volunteer Corps? Serbian Fascist Party? ZBOR? Serbian Gestapo? Chetniks? Please answer. Do you see your grandpa anywhere in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8iXIQHnHw

The fact is that the Nazis took Belgrade with just 6 solders on foot. The bombing of Belgrade happened after the coup d'état that overthrew the government that had signed the Tripartite Pact. So Yugoslavia was a Nazi ally before the coup d'etat. Nazi bombed for two days. Then a reconnaissance unit and a drunk German tourist captured the whole capital city on foot. It somehow doesn't read like a heroic Serb resistance that you've been trying to depict.

What's so funny? I can't see the joke.
(cccc, 18 October 2018 01:12)

Maybe you should look in the mirror
(revolution, 18 October 2018 13:12)


I just did and I still can't see the joke.

From Albanopolis: "Survived WWII? Yugoslavia was invaded in WWII like any other country in Europe. What survival?? Was that meant to be a joke?
In fact, Belgrade was taken by just 6 German solders on foot."

Albanopolis - The only joke is your lack of historical knowledge of the region. Might I suggest you put down your grandfather's book of historical revisionism? Are you denying that Yugoslavia was surrounded by countries aligned with the Nazis? Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and Italy. And within the borders of Yugoslavia after the Nazis carved it up, the Croatians, Muslims, Slovenians and your beloved Albanians of Kosovo were all to eager to side with the Nazis in the quest to kill Serbs. Did this somehow slip your memory Albanopolis? How many of your relatives fought with the Bali Kombater? You remember them don't you? They were the Albanian death squad aligned with the Nazis who murdered thousands of Serb civilians in Kosovo during WWII.

And if the Nazis took Belgrade by foot with 6 German soldiers, why then did Hitler bomb Belgrade t pieces on April 6, 1941? How many bombs fell on Tirana? Please answer. Why did Hitler have a policy of killing 100 Serbs for every German soldier killed and 50 Serbs for every German soldier wounded? Please answer. I could go on and on, but that's enough for now. I'll eagerly await your answers. LOL

Njegos,

The picture some so-called "Albanians" paint here about them self is a disaster. In addition to that, I fail to see even the smallest proof that they (except TLO) have anything to do with Albanians.

TLO had a single post somewhere else in the past, using (basic) Albanian phrases - so he could be Albanian. But even I can write as much in Albanian with Google translator's help.

The only two individuals here in last 15 years who proved to be Albanian are Village-Bey and Sken 1444.

Nice guys - and no one ever spoke with them without respect (except the so-called "Albanians").

So much about "racism".

There were few more - but every time an Albanian tried to talk like a normal human he was bullied by trolls who call them self Albanian. No wonder, every normal one left.

"No, I'm denying this romantic view.."

Germans indeed behaved very romantic way during the war.
You do not need long time to search for a picture of a Serb girl hanging from a tree, German soldiers laughing in front of her body. Very romantic, indeed.

"Nazis bombed Belgrade for two straight days"

Does it make a difference? Even if we added two days of bombing on top of the 6-7 German solders capturing Belgrade on foot, it still doesn't make for the epic story of resistance that you've trying to depict. London was bombed as well but they didn't cave in after two days of bombing.


"The Croats, Muslims, Slovenians and Albanians of Yugoslavia all welcomed the Nazis"

And so did the Serbs. Who do you think participated in the Serbian State Guard, Serbian SS, Serbian Volunteer Corps, Serbian Fascist Party ore Serbian Gestapo? Also it was not the fringes of the society, Milan Nedic was the Chief of the General Staff of the Royal Yugoslav Army and the Minister of War in the Royal Yugoslav Government prior to occupation. He was also the Prime Minister of Serbia after the occupation.


"The Serbian people, against insurmountable odds ..."

Yeah, whatever! Philip Cohen has a nice book called "Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History"
https://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-History/dp/0890967601
where he documents Serbia's propaganda campaign to turn the history around and somehow present Serbs as victims of the Holocaust, instead of the Nazi collaborators in genocide as they truly were.
Today, even Nedic is according to the Serbian Academy one of the 100 most outstanding Serbs. Go figure!
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230347816_13

"Americans trying to remove every trace of UNSCR 1244 - Vucic"

UNSCR 1244 has been dead for a long time. It was over-ruled since when over 115 countries recognized Kosovo as a sovereign country and since Kosovo's independence was confirmed by the UN International Court. Vucic is the only one trying to bring UNSCR 1244 back from the dead, LOL.

Belgrade was taken with a major trickery and luck on April 13, 1941 by Fritz Klingenberg. The bombing of Belgrade was a week earlier. After the bombing the city was paralyzed. F. Klingenberg headed a six-man unit; there were seven of them (him included) and a drunk tourist as the eight.

It was a very unusual moment of WW-II, not unlike when in mountain castle the Wehrmacht, together with U.S. Army fought against S.S.

The bombing of Belgrade was a major war crime, the perpetrators were punished later accordingly.

Albanopolis - Your post is filled with so many inconsistencies I don't know where to begin.

You claim that Belgrade was taken by 6 German soldiers on foot. Then you admit that the Nazis bombed Belgrade for two straight days. If it only took 6 German soldiers to take the city on foot, why the need for bombing? Please answer.

My family were Chetniks who formed the first resistance in Europe to fight the Nazis and were responsible for saving the lives of over 500 US airmen. You still didn't answer who your family members fought for...or did they even fight?

Regarding the concentration camp Samjiste in Belgrade, it was run by the Nazis and more Serbs died there than any other ethnic group.

You claim that Serbia was invaded like any other country in Europe. Firstly, Serbia wasn't a country at the time and Yugoslavia was carved up by the Nazis after their invasion. The Croats, Muslims, Slovenians and Albanians of Yugoslavia all welcomed the Nazis and joined in the killing orgy of Serbs there. The Serbian people, against insurmountable odds, rose up and staged a coup and overthrew their gov't. after a neutrality pact was signed, and chose to fight the Nazis and their allies. This is something an Albanian like yourself can't comprehend because throughout your history Albanians assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path to lead easier lives. Such a proud history.

"This is something an Albanian like yourself can't comprehend because throughout your history Albanians assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path to lead easier lives. Such a proud history."

If we had assimilated, we'd be Serbs by now, wouldn't we?

Hey Albanopolis - I've asked you 3 times who your family members fought with during WWII and you still haven't answered. Don't bother, you're obviously embarrasses. I would be too if my family fought on the side of the Nazis or communists, which were the 2 sides Albanians chose, but it was overwhelmingly the Nazis. Both, however, were on the wrong side of history.

You claim the Serbs put up no resistance to the Hitler. I guess the USA saw it differently. President Truman posthumously awarded Draza Mihailovich the Legion of Merit Medal for saving over 500 downed US airmen during WWII. This is the highest military mhonor a non-US citizen can receive during war time. How many medals did your heroes get awarded? Please answer.

More in my next post.

Albanopolis - Pay attention:

You can't compare WWII Yugoslavia to great Britain. GB had the support of the western allies, Yugoslavia did not at the time it was bombed.

You claim the Serbs caved in. WRONG - they took to the mountains and formed the 1st resistance to the Nazis.

You claim the Serbs collaborated. WRONG _ Why then did Time Magazine name Mihailovich Man of the Year in 1941? Why did Hitler employ a policy of killing 100 Serbs for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded? And why was Mihailovich awardes a medal from President Truman for his role in WWII if he collaborated. Please answer.

You use Phillip Cohen as a reliable source. Comical! Cohen has been discredited as a buffoon by countless credible historians. Why did the Croatians, Nuslims and Albanians pay millions to US PR firms like Ruder Finn and Hill & Knowlton to influence the western media? If the truth was on your side why the need for PR firms? Please answer.

"You can't compare WWII Yugoslavia to great Britain. GB had the support of the western allies, Yugoslavia did not at the time it was bombed."

And so didnt' any other country invaded by the Nazis. What's your point? Didn't you say that Yugoslavia somehow exceptionally survived the Nazis?


"You claim the Serbs caved in. WRONG - they took to the mountains and formed the 1st resistance to the Nazis."

And so did a lot of other nations in Europe. Albania was invaded in April 1939. By summer of the same year, there was an antifascist guerilla group operating outside Tirana, led my Myslym Peza. Yeah, that was before Serbs took to the mountains.


"You claim the Serbs collaborated. WRONG _ Why then did Time Magazine name Mihailovich Man of the Year in 1941?"

Really? Why would you make up such a blatant lie, when it can be easily fact checked? The man of the year in Time Magazine for 1941 was Franklin Roosevelt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year

"Why did Hitler employ a policy of killing 100 Serbs for every German killed and 50 Serbs killed for every German wounded?"

Because he employed the same policy throughout occupied Europe.
Why did Vucic want to employ the same policy against Bosnians 50 years later?

And would you cut it out with this "Please answer"? A little chetnik puppy never scared anyone.

In my quest to help educate you, I recommend you read Media Cleansing by NY Times award winning journalist Peter Brock. Pay attention and take notes. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, although it may already be too late for you. LOL

njegos: "Hey Albanopolis - I've asked you 3 times who your family members fought with during WWII and you still haven't answered"

njegos, I'm trying to politely ignore your personal questions, because you're embarrasing yourself. When someone turns an online debate with a stranger into personal, is a clear sign that he's ran out of arguments. You could declare that your family is related to Spartacus, and there is no way for anyone to know either way. So stick to the arguments if you have any. Honestly, I don't give two hoots what your family did during WWII.

Albanopolis - Still not mentioning who your family fought with during WWII. I wonder why. My guess is that your people started out with the Nazis then switched to the communist Parizans when it was a foregone conclusion that the commies would win the civil war in Yugoslavia. Following the Albanian tradition of converting and assimilating to the occupier. Precisely why Albanians have no culture and history of their own.

Regarding Mihailovich and Time Magazine, my bad, the year was 1942 and Time featured him on the cover and called him the Greatest Enemy of the Axis. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. But according to you and your revisionist perspective, he collaborated with the Axis. Why didn't you comment on the Legion of Merit Medal awarded to him by President Truman? Cat got your tongue Albanopolis?

More to come.

"Albanopolis - Still not mentioning who your family fought with during WWII. I wonder why."
- Read below.

"My guess is that your people started out with the Nazis then switched to the communist Parizans"
- It's a pretty ignorant guess. You don't have a the slightest idea of who I am.

"Regarding Mihailovich and Time Magazine, my bad, the year was 1942 and Time featured him on the cover and called him the Greatest Enemy of the Axis."
- Try again another year. The link is below. Person of the Year for 1942 was Joseph Stalin.