Macedonian name deal referendum fails; what's next

Rigged question and so glad it failed. I suspect those 30 odd percent that voted were mostly Albanians.

I should have been three separate referenda on different dates, firstly on the name, secondly on membership of the EU and thirdly on Nato membership. By merging them they probably hoped they could push in nato membership!!

This was a referendum with a rigged question and it failed miserably. It has finally dawned on people that the only way to invalidate a democratically rigged question is not to vote.
Had this question been asked 10 years ago it would have had a resounding yes, but the mask of the EU has been removed and people have seen how successful others such as Slovenia, Croatia, Romania or Bulgaria and the rest have been, its no surprise a negative response was the result. Who voted? Albanians mostly who still think the EU is Shangri La and a small percentage of Macedonians. Considering only 36.6% voted and a chunk of that would have voted no then it’s even more humiliating.
Now what next? Zaev threatens to continue and ignore the result since it was non-binding LOL. Funny how western democracy works if it had come out in favour well trumpets would be blasting but since it failed well they will push on regardless but democratically LOL.
However, if true course is followed then the western appointed Prime Minister must go before the people to seek a mandate otherwise he is a dead duck floating in the water. Zaev can try and continue but its to his detriment and he had better be very careful what he does.

If the Slavic population of FYROM:

1) Dont want to be part of western civilisation.
2) Dont want to live in peace with their ethnic albanians Fyrom citizens
3) Dont stop believing they have nothing to do with the Hellenic heritage
4) Dont make their mind once and for all they are just Bulgarians, history let out of the Bulgarian borders same as the Albanians Fyrom citizens are from their main land.

Than u can clearly see how the future of FYROM remains if the FYROM elite dont like the above things. At the end with this behaviour there will be only one referendum left to do and it will be with a plain simple question:

DO YOU WANT FYROM TO EXIST OR NOT?

Its obvious that the system in Macedonia requires a minimum of 50%+ for a vote to succeed and 36.6% does not look like its over 50% unless its some form of new mathematics. Zaev cannot in his wildest dreams declare that the vote was 90% in favor; its not 90% of the entire voting population but 90% (I doubt it was that high anyway) of 36.6% i.e abut 32%.
That said its as dead as the proverbial dodo unless new democratic principles can transform the vote into 100% of the voting population LOL.
Its funny when push comes to shove how similar democratic countries are so similar to dictatorships, but I suppose no one likes to lose.

Zaev said prior to the referendum that he would resign if it was unsuccessful, but yesterday he changed his mind, saying he would not resign.

Hahahaha just another puppet in the former ex yu protectorate. Now its time to do it the montenegro way or else no more comfy chair for zaev and the foreign installed puppet regime.

Maybe the turnout was so low because no one gives a shit.
This then means that the majority is ok with whatever name the Greeks have chosen for them. Any name, except Macedonia of course

I want to be part of western civilisation!!! Oh western civilisation take me with you and throw me into Zaev's cousins marijuana fields!! Oh western civilisation the vote for western civilisation is vote for children of tomorrow! Why I feel Im going to throw up when I read some idiotic comments from Albania's peasants here?

What a joke, the question is rigged. What does the bastardised name "Northern Macedonia" got to do with possible entry to the EU.

Unfortunately, in a democratic system people that have voted make the decision, despite the low turnout.That is the way it is and it should stay that way.

Skenderbeu.
You did an excellent job in translating Noli, much better than I could ever have done.

@ sj

"Yes, it had to be our resident fake Serb...You don’t have any idea what you are talking about but as an Albo...All Albos, like you, see the EU as Nirvana where all your dreams are fulfilled and anyone who says to the contrary is telling stories."

Actually that wasn't my point at all. The point is that you tell a false narrative. And you did it again by calling me an Albanian for the millionth time.

To make my point in a simpler manner....you might dislike the EU and you are free to explain why. But it isn't true that "the mask of the EU has been removed" and suddenly the overwhelming majority of people agree with you!

And you might dislike what I write but you should at least criticize me for what I am, a person born in America who now lives in southern Serbia. There is plenty to criticize about me since you hate Americans. But, instead, you write this fairytale nonsense about me being an "Albo." It is hard to imagine that you are any type of a businessman. But I still give you the benefit of the doubt because I don't have any hard evidence to prove otherwise.

Sec e shemben derbederet mercenaret dhe bejleretsec e shtypen jabanxhinjte sec e shtrydhen fajdexhinjte sec e prene sec e vrane ce shkretuan anembanenen thundren e perdhunesanes Vjoses anes BunesCirem digjem i vrerosur sakatosur carmatosuras i gjalle as i varrosur pres nje shenje e pres nje dritepres me vjet e pres me dite. They can buy our elites but they could never buy Noli's soul they will never buy the real albanians soul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3d1-kyMy1w

@ watcher

"@ jsaj - Stories like this are, unfortunately, true..if you cannot see this, you're either dumb as a stick or blind as a bat."

I appreciate your words of enlightenment!

"It would be to much of wasted effort to explain to someone like you about the "benefits" of NATO & EU...you couldn't comprehend it!"

Thank you for sharing more words of enlightenment. I feel overwhelmed by the depth of your intellect and breadth of your vocabulary! We can learn a lot from people like you!

"Your "fairytale" is to join Croatia & Slovenia in the kitchen of the EU, cooking and cleaning for a few scraps of food...I mean, "benefits"!"

You're just like sj, an extremist. I never claimed that the EU is some paradise. I only wrote that it isn't an enormous disaster as sj continually writes. And what is most unclear to me is that your ultimate point of comparison is our dear Serbia. Comparing Slovenia to southern Serbia....wow, what can a person say in response?!?

"But then again, even this would be an upgrade for Albanians...can't really blame you."

Same old, same old. He's an Albanian, he's an Albanian. Whatever....

Zaev now needs to accept the referendum results. He did also, on national television, promise to resign if the referendum does not give him the permission to change the countries name, so step one, Zaev resign. Now we all know he's not going to resign because he is a coward and payed liar. The high (USA CONSULATE) court has been quiet in Macedonian, but only due to being told to be quiet by the Americans, but sooner or later they will have to act if Zaev and his goons try to ratify the agreement in the Macedonian Parliament, as this is ILLEGAL and a clear breach of the law.

I think the Americans have been given time enough to play in another country. As what a country should be NWO, let the people decide their fate not your agenda.

@ sj

"Had this question been asked 10 years ago it would have had a resounding yes, but the mask of the EU has been removed and people have seen how successful others such as Slovenia, Croatia, Romania or Bulgaria and the rest have been, its no surprise a negative response was the result."

Please tell us another story like this! Your fairytales are soooo cute!

Please tell us another story like this! Your fairytales are soooo cute!
(JS, 1 October 2018 14:48)

Yes, it had to be our resident fake Serb; the one who has forgone millions in the US at the glorious $12.50 an hour to till grandad’s land in southern Serbia.
You don’t have any idea what you are talking about but as an Albo your bursting at the seams to say something LOL. All Albos, like you, see the EU as Nirvana where all your dreams are fulfilled and anyone who says to the contrary is telling stories.

(JS, 1 October 2018 16:17)

Fake Serb I have never said the majority agrees with me. Its only my opinion after observation of what went on in Macedonia. I leave it to the Macedonians to tell it as they see fit.
I’m not going to debate the EU with someone like you who has no idea what they are talking about. If you think that Slovenia and Croatia are stiting pretty then why don’t you move since there is plenty of room. Both countries are losing their young and educated who seek a better life elsewhere in the world.
I am not a businessman, nor have I ever made such a claim, nor do I give a fig what you believe about me. Get your facts right for a change.
Admitting you were born in the US explains many things, especially your backwardness and lack of education. For a “Serb” who lives in Serbia where the US bombed you are unique to say the least. I have never met a real Serb, even the ones who believe in brotherly love, who protect the US like you. I have yet to see you criticize an Albo on this site; its always a Serb in your sites.
One thing that is very clear you are a very determined and ignorant Albo who promulgates his ignorance.

@ diana

The question was:

"Are you in favour of European Union and NATO membership by accepting the agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece?"

Count - I found some translations online that helped me so to be sincere. What a disgrace that the greatest albs have never been translated in english! And to think we have always had very good translators.

@ Tito Not really, not necessarily. You know I dont like these fake internacionalist mantra "we are all mixed so lets make love not war".

@ sj

"Had this question been asked 10 years ago it would have had a resounding yes, but the mask of the EU has been removed and people have seen how successful others such as Slovenia, Croatia, Romania or Bulgaria and the rest have been, its no surprise a negative response was the result."

Please tell us another story like this! Your fairytales are soooo cute!
(JS, 1 October 2018 14:48)
@ jsaj - Stories like this are, unfortunately, true..if you cannot see this, you're either dumb as a stick or blind as a bat.
It would be to much of wasted effort to explain to someone like you about the "benefits" of NATO & EU...you couldn't comprehend it! Your "fairytale" is to join Croatia & Slovenia in the kitchen of the EU, cooking and cleaning for a few scraps of food...I mean, "benefits"! But then again, even this would be an upgrade for Albanians...can't really blame you.

As hard as it is to translate Noli Oh they battered her the scum the mercenaries and the beys, they killed her they slaughtered her they deserted her in any angle. I scream out I burn tormented crippled mutilated disarmed neither alive nor buried. I await a sign I await a light I wait for years I wait for days

I'm just wondering if Zaev is dumb enough to push this through regardless. He'll have full western backing. Until it goes wrong. Then they'll disavow any responsibility. Let us just hope that this isn't a spark to something wider.

they will never buy the real albanians
(Skenderbeu 1444)
what is a real albanian? To say real albanian, real serb, real greek, real croatian, real bosnian real french, real german,... is something that does not exist. Any Albanian shares some ancesters with any serb and of course the other way around.

@ Tito I don't think there's a line of serbian women waiting for Sken there in Serbia. Im not Lenard unfortunately, nobody here has ever offered to love Sken. I have nothing against serbian women as I never met one in real life. But I would never hide under my serbian wife skirt, name of child would be a mix of our two names, religion child chooses it when he grows up. Child bilingual as bilingual children are the most developed children.

@Skenderbeu 1444: poor you. :)
i must admit that now you sound much more reasonable too me.
And who knows where love happens and you will marry a serbian woman.

@Skenderbeu 144: if you do not want that is ok with me. But do you really believe that for examplr your ancesters lived centuries in the osman empire and never ever any not albanian was involved in reproduction?
The definitions of a nation are based on language, religion, family name, behavour... each of this you can reach within a single generation.
You make a child with a serbian woman, child gets her name, you baptise it orthodox and the child learns perfect serbian. No serbian nationalist would have a doubt that it would be serbian unless they know that you are the father.

Skenderbeu,
Yes, there are many competent Albanians capable of translating Noli to English. In fact, Noli himself was quite articulate in the English language and could have translated Albanian to English. After all, he did graduate Harvard and completed both his Master’s Degree and PhD using the medium of English.

EU Dude,
Have no doubt, Macedonia will join both NATO and the EU.

The Fyromanians have spoken and they want to play the name game for the next 2 decades .....

FAKEDONIA they will be called from now on

(JS, 3 October 2018 12:11)
“Just recently, you tried to lambast me for saying that you live in Australia. You said that you don't actually live in Australia because you travel all around southeast Asia for your work. Now today, you are back living in Sydney! So is that "Prior to 2017" or "until two weeks ago"?

No, I never said say that. You just made it up LOL.
Sadly you have stooped to making it up as you go along and badly at that LOL.
You don’t have the ability, intellect or knowledge to take me on so out come this crap LOL. I’m sorry my opinion of you has not changed.

@ sj

"...I have never said the majority agrees with me. Its only my opinion after observation of what went on in Macedonia."

Yes, only your interpretation through the lens of a hateful ultra-nationalist Serb.

"If you think that Slovenia and Croatia are stiting pretty then why don’t you move since there is plenty of room."

Because I'm a Serb. Duh! You try to act like the biggest Serb on the block but you don't even live here. It only takes one word to describe the type of Serb you are: fake!

"Both countries are losing their young and educated who seek a better life elsewhere in the world."

And what are young Serbs doing? Oh, we can use a second word to describe you: two-faced!

"I am not a businessman, nor have I ever made such a claim, nor do I give a fig what you believe about me. Get your facts right for a change."

First you told us that you work from an office in Australia, even the part of town, and later you say that you don't live and work in Australia but southeast Asia. You also said you make lots of money flipping real estate but now you tell us you aren't in business! When are you going to keep your false fronts straight?

(JS, 2 October 2018 23:17)

When you BS try and get your facts right otherwise you look like a prize fool – you are not good at this LOL. I work in the MLC building, Martin Place, Sydney Australia.
Prior to 2017 I mostly worked in South East Asia with the last place being Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia but I came back home.
When did I say I make lots of money flipping real estate? Didn’t take your pills eh?
I am employed by a Commercial Bank so that means I have an employer and I am their employee. Now off to buy a dictionary to find out the difference between an employee and businessperson; chop, chop.
The problem with you is your memory is terrible and most of your post is non-sense oh fake but highly patriotic Serb LOL.
Please keep this for future record as I don’t want you to make a fool of yourself again.
Yet to see you criticize an Albo LOL.

@ sj

"Prior to 2017 I mostly worked in South East Asia with the last place being Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia but I came back home."

Just recently, you tried to lambast me for saying that you live in Australia. You said that you don't actually live in Australia because you travel all around southeast Asia for your work. Now today, you are back living in Sydney! So is that "Prior to 2017" or "until two weeks ago"?

The discussion was why your home base isn't Belgrade or Kragujevac rather than a city in the "big bad" Western society. Your answer was that it costs a lot of money and takes so many hours to fly to Belgrade after finishing a trip around Asia, and that I am an idiot for suggesting that you base yourself in Belgrade. Remember? Or have you made too many stupid comments to keep your fake image?

(JS, 4 October 2018 12:43)

I also said that I would fly 42 hours per month (not all months) meaning that work is not demanding all year round. Some months are hectic others are not – it’s called work, but I never said I live permanently in Asia.

When dealing with normal people an intelligent person doesn't need to tell anyone that he is intelligent, but I deal with Albos like you.

You seem to avoid answering my question where did I say I was a businessman making lots of money flipping houses?

@ sj

"...I am employed by a Commercial Bank so that means I have an employer and I am their employee. Now off to buy a dictionary to find out the difference between an employee and businessperson; chop, chop."

The dictionary says: a man who works in commerce.

I didn't say business owner. I said "businessman" (JS, 1 October 2018 16:17) A businessman does not have to own the business; he only needs to work in commerce. And, as you said yourself, you work for a commerce bank!

"I don’t live in Serbia because I work in Asia. In fact, I don’t spend that much time in Australia either because of the nature of the work I do..."(sj, 2 August 2018 10:46)

"No it cant because of the distance involved. Go out and buy an atlas of the world and then see where Serbia is located in comparison to Asia. Its a 20 plus hour flight from Serbia to Asia and that is a direct flight that does not include time waiting for connecting flights." (sj, 3 August 2018 11:29)

"But you just got done saying that you're gone so much that Australia is hardly your home. If you're hardly in Australia, then you can live in Serbia since you're such a patriotic Serb." (JS, 3 August 2018 22:27)

"My God you are thick as a brick. It’s a 7-hour flight from Sydney to most parts of Asia as against 20 hours plus from Belgrade, and I fly about 3 times a month and stay one or two nights before flying back home. Living in Australia I would fly 42 hours per month (not all months), but if it was Belgrade it would be 120 flight hours plus 20 hours waiting for flight connections a month. It would be impossible flying those hours and living in Serbia. Get it now?????" (sj, 6 August 2018 10:38)

Remember now?

(JS, 3 October 2018 17:29)

Fake Serb if you drew that conclusion from my post, I’m not the person to help you. I can’t get into your head to understand what you are seeing or explain your dyslexia and poor comprehension skills. You need a therapist.
I don’t want to aggravate your condition, so I admit you have got me. I live in Asia and teleport every night back to Sydney to stay overnight with my family.
You must be related to our first-class whack job, icj1. I understand why you try and twist my responses because you are not good enough to challenge me on other points, so you try and prove I am making it all up. Many far more competent than you have tried and failed miserably because I respond honestly.
However, I am rather chuffed that you keep a record of my posts. Since you have a copy of my posts when did I say I was a businessman making lots of money flipping houses? I bet there is no reply here, but it will use its usual tactic of diverting the whole thing to something else LOL.
Still love that part about returning to Serbia to till grand’s lands LOL.

@ sj

"Fake Serb if you drew that conclusion from my post, I’m not the person to help you. I can’t get into your head to understand what you are seeing or explain your dyslexia and poor comprehension skills."

Well, this is rather plain:

""I don’t live in Serbia because I work in Asia. In fact, I don’t spend that much time in Australia either because of the nature of the work I do..."(sj, 2 August 2018 10:46)"

That's rather self explanatory, for those of us who understand the English language. Keep trying with that fake front of yours.

"I understand why you try and twist my responses because you are not good enough to challenge me on other points, so you try and prove I am making it all up. Many far more competent than you have tried and failed miserably because I respond honestly."

A strong person doesn't need to tell anyone that he is strong. Likewise, an intelligent person doesn't need to tell anyone that he is intelligent.

"However, I am rather chuffed that you keep a record of my posts."

It's called Google search.

@ sj

"I get paid a lot, lot more than $7.50 an hour for flipping contracts. In fact, the annual salary is in the 6 figure range – at higher end of that scale. I have an office overlooking Sydney Harbour and if you want to know more its located in Martin Place, Sydney. I am not like you who hides behind another identity." (sj, 3 July 2018 09:35)

@ sj

"As I have said many time I have worked over 3 decades in finance..." (sj, 1 September 2018 02:14)

If the Slavic population of FYROM:

1) Dont want to be part of western civilisation.
2) Dont want to live in peace with their ethnic albanians Fyrom citizens
3) Dont stop believing they have nothing to do with the Hellenic heritage
4) Dont make their mind once and for all they are just Bulgarians, history let out of the Bulgarian borders same as the Albanians Fyrom citizens are from their main land.

Than u can clearly see how the future of FYROM remains if the FYROM elite dont like the above things. At the end with this behaviour there will be only one referendum left to do and it will be with a plain simple question:

DO YOU WANT FYROM TO EXIST OR NOT?

Maybe the turnout was so low because no one gives a shit.
This then means that the majority is ok with whatever name the Greeks have chosen for them. Any name, except Macedonia of course

they will never buy the real albanians
(Skenderbeu 1444)
what is a real albanian? To say real albanian, real serb, real greek, real croatian, real bosnian real french, real german,... is something that does not exist. Any Albanian shares some ancesters with any serb and of course the other way around.

Its obvious that the system in Macedonia requires a minimum of 50%+ for a vote to succeed and 36.6% does not look like its over 50% unless its some form of new mathematics. Zaev cannot in his wildest dreams declare that the vote was 90% in favor; its not 90% of the entire voting population but 90% (I doubt it was that high anyway) of 36.6% i.e abut 32%.
That said its as dead as the proverbial dodo unless new democratic principles can transform the vote into 100% of the voting population LOL.
Its funny when push comes to shove how similar democratic countries are so similar to dictatorships, but I suppose no one likes to lose.

Zaev said prior to the referendum that he would resign if it was unsuccessful, but yesterday he changed his mind, saying he would not resign.

Hahahaha just another puppet in the former ex yu protectorate. Now its time to do it the montenegro way or else no more comfy chair for zaev and the foreign installed puppet regime.

Rigged question and so glad it failed. I suspect those 30 odd percent that voted were mostly Albanians.

This was a referendum with a rigged question and it failed miserably. It has finally dawned on people that the only way to invalidate a democratically rigged question is not to vote.
Had this question been asked 10 years ago it would have had a resounding yes, but the mask of the EU has been removed and people have seen how successful others such as Slovenia, Croatia, Romania or Bulgaria and the rest have been, its no surprise a negative response was the result. Who voted? Albanians mostly who still think the EU is Shangri La and a small percentage of Macedonians. Considering only 36.6% voted and a chunk of that would have voted no then it’s even more humiliating.
Now what next? Zaev threatens to continue and ignore the result since it was non-binding LOL. Funny how western democracy works if it had come out in favour well trumpets would be blasting but since it failed well they will push on regardless but democratically LOL.
However, if true course is followed then the western appointed Prime Minister must go before the people to seek a mandate otherwise he is a dead duck floating in the water. Zaev can try and continue but its to his detriment and he had better be very careful what he does.

@ diana

The question was:

"Are you in favour of European Union and NATO membership by accepting the agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece?"

Unfortunately, in a democratic system people that have voted make the decision, despite the low turnout.That is the way it is and it should stay that way.

@ sj

"Had this question been asked 10 years ago it would have had a resounding yes, but the mask of the EU has been removed and people have seen how successful others such as Slovenia, Croatia, Romania or Bulgaria and the rest have been, its no surprise a negative response was the result."

Please tell us another story like this! Your fairytales are soooo cute!

Please tell us another story like this! Your fairytales are soooo cute!
(JS, 1 October 2018 14:48)

Yes, it had to be our resident fake Serb; the one who has forgone millions in the US at the glorious $12.50 an hour to till grandad’s land in southern Serbia.
You don’t have any idea what you are talking about but as an Albo your bursting at the seams to say something LOL. All Albos, like you, see the EU as Nirvana where all your dreams are fulfilled and anyone who says to the contrary is telling stories.

I want to be part of western civilisation!!! Oh western civilisation take me with you and throw me into Zaev's cousins marijuana fields!! Oh western civilisation the vote for western civilisation is vote for children of tomorrow! Why I feel Im going to throw up when I read some idiotic comments from Albania's peasants here?

@ watcher

"@ jsaj - Stories like this are, unfortunately, true..if you cannot see this, you're either dumb as a stick or blind as a bat."

I appreciate your words of enlightenment!

"It would be to much of wasted effort to explain to someone like you about the "benefits" of NATO & EU...you couldn't comprehend it!"

Thank you for sharing more words of enlightenment. I feel overwhelmed by the depth of your intellect and breadth of your vocabulary! We can learn a lot from people like you!

"Your "fairytale" is to join Croatia & Slovenia in the kitchen of the EU, cooking and cleaning for a few scraps of food...I mean, "benefits"!"

You're just like sj, an extremist. I never claimed that the EU is some paradise. I only wrote that it isn't an enormous disaster as sj continually writes. And what is most unclear to me is that your ultimate point of comparison is our dear Serbia. Comparing Slovenia to southern Serbia....wow, what can a person say in response?!?

"But then again, even this would be an upgrade for Albanians...can't really blame you."

Same old, same old. He's an Albanian, he's an Albanian. Whatever....

(JS, 1 October 2018 16:17)

Fake Serb I have never said the majority agrees with me. Its only my opinion after observation of what went on in Macedonia. I leave it to the Macedonians to tell it as they see fit.
I’m not going to debate the EU with someone like you who has no idea what they are talking about. If you think that Slovenia and Croatia are stiting pretty then why don’t you move since there is plenty of room. Both countries are losing their young and educated who seek a better life elsewhere in the world.
I am not a businessman, nor have I ever made such a claim, nor do I give a fig what you believe about me. Get your facts right for a change.
Admitting you were born in the US explains many things, especially your backwardness and lack of education. For a “Serb” who lives in Serbia where the US bombed you are unique to say the least. I have never met a real Serb, even the ones who believe in brotherly love, who protect the US like you. I have yet to see you criticize an Albo on this site; its always a Serb in your sites.
One thing that is very clear you are a very determined and ignorant Albo who promulgates his ignorance.

I'm just wondering if Zaev is dumb enough to push this through regardless. He'll have full western backing. Until it goes wrong. Then they'll disavow any responsibility. Let us just hope that this isn't a spark to something wider.

The Fyromanians have spoken and they want to play the name game for the next 2 decades .....

FAKEDONIA they will be called from now on

@ sj

"Had this question been asked 10 years ago it would have had a resounding yes, but the mask of the EU has been removed and people have seen how successful others such as Slovenia, Croatia, Romania or Bulgaria and the rest have been, its no surprise a negative response was the result."

Please tell us another story like this! Your fairytales are soooo cute!
(JS, 1 October 2018 14:48)
@ jsaj - Stories like this are, unfortunately, true..if you cannot see this, you're either dumb as a stick or blind as a bat.
It would be to much of wasted effort to explain to someone like you about the "benefits" of NATO & EU...you couldn't comprehend it! Your "fairytale" is to join Croatia & Slovenia in the kitchen of the EU, cooking and cleaning for a few scraps of food...I mean, "benefits"! But then again, even this would be an upgrade for Albanians...can't really blame you.

@ sj

"Yes, it had to be our resident fake Serb...You don’t have any idea what you are talking about but as an Albo...All Albos, like you, see the EU as Nirvana where all your dreams are fulfilled and anyone who says to the contrary is telling stories."

Actually that wasn't my point at all. The point is that you tell a false narrative. And you did it again by calling me an Albanian for the millionth time.

To make my point in a simpler manner....you might dislike the EU and you are free to explain why. But it isn't true that "the mask of the EU has been removed" and suddenly the overwhelming majority of people agree with you!

And you might dislike what I write but you should at least criticize me for what I am, a person born in America who now lives in southern Serbia. There is plenty to criticize about me since you hate Americans. But, instead, you write this fairytale nonsense about me being an "Albo." It is hard to imagine that you are any type of a businessman. But I still give you the benefit of the doubt because I don't have any hard evidence to prove otherwise.

Skenderbeu.
You did an excellent job in translating Noli, much better than I could ever have done.

What a joke, the question is rigged. What does the bastardised name "Northern Macedonia" got to do with possible entry to the EU.

I should have been three separate referenda on different dates, firstly on the name, secondly on membership of the EU and thirdly on Nato membership. By merging them they probably hoped they could push in nato membership!!

Sec e shemben derbederet mercenaret dhe bejleretsec e shtypen jabanxhinjte sec e shtrydhen fajdexhinjte sec e prene sec e vrane ce shkretuan anembanenen thundren e perdhunesanes Vjoses anes BunesCirem digjem i vrerosur sakatosur carmatosuras i gjalle as i varrosur pres nje shenje e pres nje dritepres me vjet e pres me dite. They can buy our elites but they could never buy Noli's soul they will never buy the real albanians soul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3d1-kyMy1w

EU Dude,
Have no doubt, Macedonia will join both NATO and the EU.

@ Tito Not really, not necessarily. You know I dont like these fake internacionalist mantra "we are all mixed so lets make love not war".

@ Tito I don't think there's a line of serbian women waiting for Sken there in Serbia. Im not Lenard unfortunately, nobody here has ever offered to love Sken. I have nothing against serbian women as I never met one in real life. But I would never hide under my serbian wife skirt, name of child would be a mix of our two names, religion child chooses it when he grows up. Child bilingual as bilingual children are the most developed children.

@Skenderbeu 1444: poor you. :)
i must admit that now you sound much more reasonable too me.
And who knows where love happens and you will marry a serbian woman.

Zaev now needs to accept the referendum results. He did also, on national television, promise to resign if the referendum does not give him the permission to change the countries name, so step one, Zaev resign. Now we all know he's not going to resign because he is a coward and payed liar. The high (USA CONSULATE) court has been quiet in Macedonian, but only due to being told to be quiet by the Americans, but sooner or later they will have to act if Zaev and his goons try to ratify the agreement in the Macedonian Parliament, as this is ILLEGAL and a clear breach of the law.

I think the Americans have been given time enough to play in another country. As what a country should be NWO, let the people decide their fate not your agenda.

(JS, 2 October 2018 23:17)

When you BS try and get your facts right otherwise you look like a prize fool – you are not good at this LOL. I work in the MLC building, Martin Place, Sydney Australia.
Prior to 2017 I mostly worked in South East Asia with the last place being Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia but I came back home.
When did I say I make lots of money flipping real estate? Didn’t take your pills eh?
I am employed by a Commercial Bank so that means I have an employer and I am their employee. Now off to buy a dictionary to find out the difference between an employee and businessperson; chop, chop.
The problem with you is your memory is terrible and most of your post is non-sense oh fake but highly patriotic Serb LOL.
Please keep this for future record as I don’t want you to make a fool of yourself again.
Yet to see you criticize an Albo LOL.

@Skenderbeu 144: if you do not want that is ok with me. But do you really believe that for examplr your ancesters lived centuries in the osman empire and never ever any not albanian was involved in reproduction?
The definitions of a nation are based on language, religion, family name, behavour... each of this you can reach within a single generation.
You make a child with a serbian woman, child gets her name, you baptise it orthodox and the child learns perfect serbian. No serbian nationalist would have a doubt that it would be serbian unless they know that you are the father.

@ sj

"...I have never said the majority agrees with me. Its only my opinion after observation of what went on in Macedonia."

Yes, only your interpretation through the lens of a hateful ultra-nationalist Serb.

"If you think that Slovenia and Croatia are stiting pretty then why don’t you move since there is plenty of room."

Because I'm a Serb. Duh! You try to act like the biggest Serb on the block but you don't even live here. It only takes one word to describe the type of Serb you are: fake!

"Both countries are losing their young and educated who seek a better life elsewhere in the world."

And what are young Serbs doing? Oh, we can use a second word to describe you: two-faced!

"I am not a businessman, nor have I ever made such a claim, nor do I give a fig what you believe about me. Get your facts right for a change."

First you told us that you work from an office in Australia, even the part of town, and later you say that you don't live and work in Australia but southeast Asia. You also said you make lots of money flipping real estate but now you tell us you aren't in business! When are you going to keep your false fronts straight?

Skenderbeu,
Yes, there are many competent Albanians capable of translating Noli to English. In fact, Noli himself was quite articulate in the English language and could have translated Albanian to English. After all, he did graduate Harvard and completed both his Master’s Degree and PhD using the medium of English.

(JS, 3 October 2018 12:11)
“Just recently, you tried to lambast me for saying that you live in Australia. You said that you don't actually live in Australia because you travel all around southeast Asia for your work. Now today, you are back living in Sydney! So is that "Prior to 2017" or "until two weeks ago"?

No, I never said say that. You just made it up LOL.
Sadly you have stooped to making it up as you go along and badly at that LOL.
You don’t have the ability, intellect or knowledge to take me on so out come this crap LOL. I’m sorry my opinion of you has not changed.

(JS, 4 October 2018 12:43)

I also said that I would fly 42 hours per month (not all months) meaning that work is not demanding all year round. Some months are hectic others are not – it’s called work, but I never said I live permanently in Asia.

When dealing with normal people an intelligent person doesn't need to tell anyone that he is intelligent, but I deal with Albos like you.

You seem to avoid answering my question where did I say I was a businessman making lots of money flipping houses?

As hard as it is to translate Noli Oh they battered her the scum the mercenaries and the beys, they killed her they slaughtered her they deserted her in any angle. I scream out I burn tormented crippled mutilated disarmed neither alive nor buried. I await a sign I await a light I wait for years I wait for days

Count - I found some translations online that helped me so to be sincere. What a disgrace that the greatest albs have never been translated in english! And to think we have always had very good translators.

@ sj

"Prior to 2017 I mostly worked in South East Asia with the last place being Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia but I came back home."

Just recently, you tried to lambast me for saying that you live in Australia. You said that you don't actually live in Australia because you travel all around southeast Asia for your work. Now today, you are back living in Sydney! So is that "Prior to 2017" or "until two weeks ago"?

The discussion was why your home base isn't Belgrade or Kragujevac rather than a city in the "big bad" Western society. Your answer was that it costs a lot of money and takes so many hours to fly to Belgrade after finishing a trip around Asia, and that I am an idiot for suggesting that you base yourself in Belgrade. Remember? Or have you made too many stupid comments to keep your fake image?

"I don’t live in Serbia because I work in Asia. In fact, I don’t spend that much time in Australia either because of the nature of the work I do..."(sj, 2 August 2018 10:46)

"No it cant because of the distance involved. Go out and buy an atlas of the world and then see where Serbia is located in comparison to Asia. Its a 20 plus hour flight from Serbia to Asia and that is a direct flight that does not include time waiting for connecting flights." (sj, 3 August 2018 11:29)

"But you just got done saying that you're gone so much that Australia is hardly your home. If you're hardly in Australia, then you can live in Serbia since you're such a patriotic Serb." (JS, 3 August 2018 22:27)

"My God you are thick as a brick. It’s a 7-hour flight from Sydney to most parts of Asia as against 20 hours plus from Belgrade, and I fly about 3 times a month and stay one or two nights before flying back home. Living in Australia I would fly 42 hours per month (not all months), but if it was Belgrade it would be 120 flight hours plus 20 hours waiting for flight connections a month. It would be impossible flying those hours and living in Serbia. Get it now?????" (sj, 6 August 2018 10:38)

Remember now?

(JS, 3 October 2018 17:29)

Fake Serb if you drew that conclusion from my post, I’m not the person to help you. I can’t get into your head to understand what you are seeing or explain your dyslexia and poor comprehension skills. You need a therapist.
I don’t want to aggravate your condition, so I admit you have got me. I live in Asia and teleport every night back to Sydney to stay overnight with my family.
You must be related to our first-class whack job, icj1. I understand why you try and twist my responses because you are not good enough to challenge me on other points, so you try and prove I am making it all up. Many far more competent than you have tried and failed miserably because I respond honestly.
However, I am rather chuffed that you keep a record of my posts. Since you have a copy of my posts when did I say I was a businessman making lots of money flipping houses? I bet there is no reply here, but it will use its usual tactic of diverting the whole thing to something else LOL.
Still love that part about returning to Serbia to till grand’s lands LOL.

@ sj

"Fake Serb if you drew that conclusion from my post, I’m not the person to help you. I can’t get into your head to understand what you are seeing or explain your dyslexia and poor comprehension skills."

Well, this is rather plain:

""I don’t live in Serbia because I work in Asia. In fact, I don’t spend that much time in Australia either because of the nature of the work I do..."(sj, 2 August 2018 10:46)"

That's rather self explanatory, for those of us who understand the English language. Keep trying with that fake front of yours.

"I understand why you try and twist my responses because you are not good enough to challenge me on other points, so you try and prove I am making it all up. Many far more competent than you have tried and failed miserably because I respond honestly."

A strong person doesn't need to tell anyone that he is strong. Likewise, an intelligent person doesn't need to tell anyone that he is intelligent.

"However, I am rather chuffed that you keep a record of my posts."

It's called Google search.

@ sj

"I get paid a lot, lot more than $7.50 an hour for flipping contracts. In fact, the annual salary is in the 6 figure range – at higher end of that scale. I have an office overlooking Sydney Harbour and if you want to know more its located in Martin Place, Sydney. I am not like you who hides behind another identity." (sj, 3 July 2018 09:35)

@ sj

"As I have said many time I have worked over 3 decades in finance..." (sj, 1 September 2018 02:14)

@ sj

"...I am employed by a Commercial Bank so that means I have an employer and I am their employee. Now off to buy a dictionary to find out the difference between an employee and businessperson; chop, chop."

The dictionary says: a man who works in commerce.

I didn't say business owner. I said "businessman" (JS, 1 October 2018 16:17) A businessman does not have to own the business; he only needs to work in commerce. And, as you said yourself, you work for a commerce bank!