Fascist greeting doesn't incite hatred, Croatian court finds

And the swastika is just a funny little cross symbol.

"In Croatia, using the greeting in question is unconstitutional - but a government commission set up to confront the consequences of the rule of undemocratic regimes recommended in February that it can be used "on special occasions" "

Unconstitutional but can be used on special occasions. Only in Croatia! I wonder what icj1, Dwight, Azir and the other Croat Ustasha revisionists have to say about this development. Actually, I do know what they'll say.

Punching Nazis doesn't incite hate either. It's actually quite positive. Punching Thompson would, I imagine, be quite a pleasant experience. Throwing him and his fans into a pit the size of Bleiburg would be swoon-inducing. Knowing Nazi bootlicking Croats would end up as Slavic slave labor in any German Aryan utopia would be cathartic.

It does in the United States, Isreal and even Germany to name a few countries!!!

Nice, so I'm guessing that killing Croatian fascists also doesn't incite hatred?

This guy here Marko aka Thompson to me looks like he's always ready to drive a tractor and contribute to agriculture development in Croatia. But the point on which we all should be focusing now is which side is our croat friend Lenard taking! Lenard! pick a side! Either with those 37 divisions of croat partizans or with this Thompson here! Either with us or against us as there's no middle option as supreme leader of Albania Enver Hoxha once said to supreme leader of Yugoslavi Marshall Tito! Lenard pick a side!

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.

At the same time, the people that are complaining the most about this verdict are Serbian fascists, Thompson's Serbian equivalent.
(Dwight, 2 May 2018 19:57)
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Please provide a reference or explain the mathematics of your claim about who is complaining “the most”? Dwight, your peculiar obsession of providing dubious references in the enumeration of Serbs, is reminiscent of your shameful revisionist comments minimizing Serb victims of Croat Ustasha in the 1940’s and 1990’s.
After you explain to us how you enumerate Serbs (so often) perhaps you can explain to us what criteria you used to discriminate Serbian fascists from the complaining Serbs who are anti-fascists. How many complaining Serbs were anti-fascists?
Glad to know that you’re not counting Croat fascists and their apologists, as that would require you to face a mirror.

Racist symbols and slogans are rarely seen as racist by the racists who use them. Members of the KKK see nothing wrong with burning crosses and lynching black people. Nazis saw nothing wrong with racial purity laws. Good to know Croatia is in such deplorable company.

This isn't entirely indicative of how all Croatian people are. As a Serb I know that not all people agree with those who have a loud voice and gain media attention. This doesn't represent everyone's mentality in Croatia.

I think there's a difference between the fairly benign fascism (if such a thing exists) of say Mussolini's Italy, and the blood thirsty cut throats of Croatia's Ustasha or Nazi Germany. But this is all academic at the end of the day. The fact is Croatia has a serious problem with historical revisionism, and tolerating fascist nostalgia. It is embarrassing and shameful that in the 21st Century morons like Thompson are given a platform and allowed to spout their vile lyrics. Celebrating gruesome concentration camps and a twisted regime like the NDH with all its appalling crimes, is criminal in itself and a defeat for decency and right thinking people.

I have no sympathy for any fascist but I would agree with Court conclusion...inciting hatred or love is part of free speech. Lets not confuse inciting hatred with inciting violence.if a fascist greeting incites hatred then a "Good morning" could get you laid.
I have no problem being hated as long as nobody want to kill me. I can hate them back, I can't kill them back.

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16:57)

You know what the best part of your newebie trolling is? It's so random and incoherent. It's like you originally came here a few weeks ago believing you have a point to make, then realized no one took you seriously, so you instead decided to foam and froth at the keyboard from here on out.

Word of advice: don't try to top Lenard or Azir (unless you're one of them under a new username). They've got years of mental insanity logged in around here :)

"Unconstitutional but can be used on special occasions" seems like a weasel way of passing the buck. Then any event can be considered a special occasion unless you are in your own home.
I disagree with the court but it is a difficult thing to legislate for. Free speech/incitement to hatred/hate speech etc is often about context rather than substance, but if facsist Thomspon screaming "Za dom spremni" to a crowd of 1000s of dancing Croats is not incitement to hatred then what is? and did he not say himself that he wrote his songs to motivate (incite) people.
The greeting has become synonymous with Ustashe support whether you like it or not. Surely people in Croatia who want to express their patriotism can find a different greeting.
Hearing a Croat use that greeting while saying they are not a fascist is like hearing a jack-booted skin-head say that he hates Jews but he is not a Nazi and his swastika t-shirt is just an ancient religious symbol.

At the same time, the people that are complaining the most about this verdict are Serbian fascists, Thompson's Serbian equivalent.

Serbian political position is that of a country of the extreme right. In online media serbian propaganda have extreme right support from all over ..... and you’re worried about cadavers of fascism from last century ? You? The neo fascists (surely not the only ones)? If your outlook, social attitudes and political stance finds support from the stormfront website, you are fascists NOW.

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16:57)

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By this logic we should outlaw the Pledge of Allegiance because White Supremacists love to pledge allegiance to the flag

Pomoz Bog does not mean what you think it means.

Nor were the Cetniks of WW2 Fascists.

That is propaganda by Titoists

President Harry Truman and Commander of the Allied Forces Dwight Eisenhower (who was to become President Eisenhower) would strongly disagree with your assessment.

Cetniks will be remembered.

Tito will be forgotten

I like it how some of the comments from Serbs here expressing indignation on hate speech. Half of them were cheering "Kill Albanians" 3-4 years ago when an idiot flew a drone with a map on it on a football stadium. The next days Albania businesses in Serbia were vandalized. The Serbian state, the beacon of justice had no problem the tracking drone operator thru his Facebook posts, but couldn't find the pitch invaders even though they were posing for the cameras and inviting others to join. Nor find those who vandalized properties of taxpayers to Serbian state. That is state sponsored hate.
Yet, when hate is directed towards them by a tasteless "artist", they feel that Croatia is fascist because the court cannot find illegal something that's tasteless or immoral as a fasist salute

At the same time, the people that are complaining the most about this verdict are Serbian fascists, Thompson's Serbian equivalent.
(Dwight, 2 May 2018 19:57)
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You had me agreeing with you all the way until this end bit.
First, how do you know that "Serb Fascists" are the ones complaining about this? Do you actually know who the people complaining are?
Might it also be that some Croatians are complaining because they are ashamed to have people like this man in their group?

Look, I'm all for free speech and expressing yourself. You simply cannot legislate against bad taste but there is a point when expressing yourself and inciting people to violence becomes evident.
This guy can sing anything he wants because there are people ready to listen and that's fine. I might not agree with him but he does have the right to his own mind. He and people like him will be judged by the people themselves.
Crossing the line and trying to stir trouble is when he should be facing charges and what this court did was inflict further pain to people whose relatives perished by Ustasha hands.
Something is either legal or not. There is no well, maybe at times it can be done. This court has exposed the justice system of Croatia for what it obviously is.
Vindicates Serbs taking up arms during 90s.

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16:57)
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Serbs were never fascists.
What makes pomoz bog a fascist slogan then?

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16

How do you know this Albo Tom ??
Do you seat in Serbian Parliament??
We only have approximately 5 per cent that may great with royalty greetings . Non with fascism greetings ))
Serbs had a handful of fascist during the WW2 , not millions like in Croatian Ustasha or Albanian Ballists / Balli Kombëtar ))

This isn't entirely indicative of how all Croatian people are. As a Serb I know that not all people agree with those who have a loud voice and gain media attention. This doesn't represent everyone's mentality in Croatia.
(MikeD, 2 May 2018 18:20)
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I believe that but the court is supposed to administer justice not join in bad taste.
The court is supposed to represent the law and official standing of Croatians. Is the court right or wrong in this case?
Any decent Croatian would be ashamed of this court now.

"To protect the homeland" means jack shit in context. If you the Serbs and just like the Jews want to keep talking about things that happened 70 years ago, your living in the past. No wonder Serbia has been left with nothing. Your at a total stalemate who have fought the Croats, Bosniaks, Turks, Albanians, anyone I have forgot?? All Thomson is saying we will protect our homeland if needed. There is no suggestion of attack. Go promote Serbia instead of living in the past and going sideways as a nation. You all get sucked by your governments nationalistic propaganda so you don't see the real issues facing you every morning which they should be addressing. Poland and Hungary were in a much worse state 25 years ago and look at them now. I don't hear them crying about Stalin. Only Serbia, living in the past like the pollies.

Lenard pick a side!
(Skenderbeu 1444, 2 May 2018 16:25)

Lenard is probably a fictive character anyway.

I like it how some of the comments from Serbs here expressing indignation on hate speech. Half of them were cheering "Kill Albanians" 3-4 years ago when an idiot flew a drone with a map on it on a football stadium.
Niko


Actually, the chanting of "ubi, ubi Siptar" by the Serb fans began much earlier than when the drone flew into the stadium, in fact, the match had not yet begun. Furthermore, the drone threatened no one. Only in Serbia is provocation a one way street.

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.

Serbian political position is that of a country of the extreme right. In online media serbian propaganda have extreme right support from all over ..... and you’re worried about cadavers of fascism from last century ? You? The neo fascists (surely not the only ones)? If your outlook, social attitudes and political stance finds support from the stormfront website, you are fascists NOW.

I have no sympathy for any fascist but I would agree with Court conclusion...inciting hatred or love is part of free speech. Lets not confuse inciting hatred with inciting violence.if a fascist greeting incites hatred then a "Good morning" could get you laid.
I have no problem being hated as long as nobody want to kill me. I can hate them back, I can't kill them back.

Punching Nazis doesn't incite hate either. It's actually quite positive. Punching Thompson would, I imagine, be quite a pleasant experience. Throwing him and his fans into a pit the size of Bleiburg would be swoon-inducing. Knowing Nazi bootlicking Croats would end up as Slavic slave labor in any German Aryan utopia would be cathartic.

"Unconstitutional but can be used on special occasions" seems like a weasel way of passing the buck. Then any event can be considered a special occasion unless you are in your own home.
I disagree with the court but it is a difficult thing to legislate for. Free speech/incitement to hatred/hate speech etc is often about context rather than substance, but if facsist Thomspon screaming "Za dom spremni" to a crowd of 1000s of dancing Croats is not incitement to hatred then what is? and did he not say himself that he wrote his songs to motivate (incite) people.
The greeting has become synonymous with Ustashe support whether you like it or not. Surely people in Croatia who want to express their patriotism can find a different greeting.
Hearing a Croat use that greeting while saying they are not a fascist is like hearing a jack-booted skin-head say that he hates Jews but he is not a Nazi and his swastika t-shirt is just an ancient religious symbol.

At the same time, the people that are complaining the most about this verdict are Serbian fascists, Thompson's Serbian equivalent.

"In Croatia, using the greeting in question is unconstitutional - but a government commission set up to confront the consequences of the rule of undemocratic regimes recommended in February that it can be used "on special occasions" "

Unconstitutional but can be used on special occasions. Only in Croatia! I wonder what icj1, Dwight, Azir and the other Croat Ustasha revisionists have to say about this development. Actually, I do know what they'll say.

"To protect the homeland" means jack shit in context. If you the Serbs and just like the Jews want to keep talking about things that happened 70 years ago, your living in the past. No wonder Serbia has been left with nothing. Your at a total stalemate who have fought the Croats, Bosniaks, Turks, Albanians, anyone I have forgot?? All Thomson is saying we will protect our homeland if needed. There is no suggestion of attack. Go promote Serbia instead of living in the past and going sideways as a nation. You all get sucked by your governments nationalistic propaganda so you don't see the real issues facing you every morning which they should be addressing. Poland and Hungary were in a much worse state 25 years ago and look at them now. I don't hear them crying about Stalin. Only Serbia, living in the past like the pollies.

This guy here Marko aka Thompson to me looks like he's always ready to drive a tractor and contribute to agriculture development in Croatia. But the point on which we all should be focusing now is which side is our croat friend Lenard taking! Lenard! pick a side! Either with those 37 divisions of croat partizans or with this Thompson here! Either with us or against us as there's no middle option as supreme leader of Albania Enver Hoxha once said to supreme leader of Yugoslavi Marshall Tito! Lenard pick a side!

I like it how some of the comments from Serbs here expressing indignation on hate speech. Half of them were cheering "Kill Albanians" 3-4 years ago when an idiot flew a drone with a map on it on a football stadium. The next days Albania businesses in Serbia were vandalized. The Serbian state, the beacon of justice had no problem the tracking drone operator thru his Facebook posts, but couldn't find the pitch invaders even though they were posing for the cameras and inviting others to join. Nor find those who vandalized properties of taxpayers to Serbian state. That is state sponsored hate.
Yet, when hate is directed towards them by a tasteless "artist", they feel that Croatia is fascist because the court cannot find illegal something that's tasteless or immoral as a fasist salute

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16:57)

You know what the best part of your newebie trolling is? It's so random and incoherent. It's like you originally came here a few weeks ago believing you have a point to make, then realized no one took you seriously, so you instead decided to foam and froth at the keyboard from here on out.

Word of advice: don't try to top Lenard or Azir (unless you're one of them under a new username). They've got years of mental insanity logged in around here :)

I think there's a difference between the fairly benign fascism (if such a thing exists) of say Mussolini's Italy, and the blood thirsty cut throats of Croatia's Ustasha or Nazi Germany. But this is all academic at the end of the day. The fact is Croatia has a serious problem with historical revisionism, and tolerating fascist nostalgia. It is embarrassing and shameful that in the 21st Century morons like Thompson are given a platform and allowed to spout their vile lyrics. Celebrating gruesome concentration camps and a twisted regime like the NDH with all its appalling crimes, is criminal in itself and a defeat for decency and right thinking people.

Nice, so I'm guessing that killing Croatian fascists also doesn't incite hatred?

Racist symbols and slogans are rarely seen as racist by the racists who use them. Members of the KKK see nothing wrong with burning crosses and lynching black people. Nazis saw nothing wrong with racial purity laws. Good to know Croatia is in such deplorable company.

At the same time, the people that are complaining the most about this verdict are Serbian fascists, Thompson's Serbian equivalent.
(Dwight, 2 May 2018 19:57)
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Please provide a reference or explain the mathematics of your claim about who is complaining “the most”? Dwight, your peculiar obsession of providing dubious references in the enumeration of Serbs, is reminiscent of your shameful revisionist comments minimizing Serb victims of Croat Ustasha in the 1940’s and 1990’s.
After you explain to us how you enumerate Serbs (so often) perhaps you can explain to us what criteria you used to discriminate Serbian fascists from the complaining Serbs who are anti-fascists. How many complaining Serbs were anti-fascists?
Glad to know that you’re not counting Croat fascists and their apologists, as that would require you to face a mirror.

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16

How do you know this Albo Tom ??
Do you seat in Serbian Parliament??
We only have approximately 5 per cent that may great with royalty greetings . Non with fascism greetings ))
Serbs had a handful of fascist during the WW2 , not millions like in Croatian Ustasha or Albanian Ballists / Balli Kombëtar ))

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16:57)
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Serbs were never fascists.
What makes pomoz bog a fascist slogan then?

And the swastika is just a funny little cross symbol.

This isn't entirely indicative of how all Croatian people are. As a Serb I know that not all people agree with those who have a loud voice and gain media attention. This doesn't represent everyone's mentality in Croatia.
(MikeD, 2 May 2018 18:20)
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I believe that but the court is supposed to administer justice not join in bad taste.
The court is supposed to represent the law and official standing of Croatians. Is the court right or wrong in this case?
Any decent Croatian would be ashamed of this court now.

Half of Serbia's Parliament, if not more, mutually greet one-another with fashist Chetnik'Pomoz Bog'.
(Tom L'Orizi, 2 May 2018 16:57)

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By this logic we should outlaw the Pledge of Allegiance because White Supremacists love to pledge allegiance to the flag

Pomoz Bog does not mean what you think it means.

Nor were the Cetniks of WW2 Fascists.

That is propaganda by Titoists

President Harry Truman and Commander of the Allied Forces Dwight Eisenhower (who was to become President Eisenhower) would strongly disagree with your assessment.

Cetniks will be remembered.

Tito will be forgotten

It does in the United States, Isreal and even Germany to name a few countries!!!

Lenard pick a side!
(Skenderbeu 1444, 2 May 2018 16:25)

Lenard is probably a fictive character anyway.

At the same time, the people that are complaining the most about this verdict are Serbian fascists, Thompson's Serbian equivalent.
(Dwight, 2 May 2018 19:57)
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You had me agreeing with you all the way until this end bit.
First, how do you know that "Serb Fascists" are the ones complaining about this? Do you actually know who the people complaining are?
Might it also be that some Croatians are complaining because they are ashamed to have people like this man in their group?

Look, I'm all for free speech and expressing yourself. You simply cannot legislate against bad taste but there is a point when expressing yourself and inciting people to violence becomes evident.
This guy can sing anything he wants because there are people ready to listen and that's fine. I might not agree with him but he does have the right to his own mind. He and people like him will be judged by the people themselves.
Crossing the line and trying to stir trouble is when he should be facing charges and what this court did was inflict further pain to people whose relatives perished by Ustasha hands.
Something is either legal or not. There is no well, maybe at times it can be done. This court has exposed the justice system of Croatia for what it obviously is.
Vindicates Serbs taking up arms during 90s.

I like it how some of the comments from Serbs here expressing indignation on hate speech. Half of them were cheering "Kill Albanians" 3-4 years ago when an idiot flew a drone with a map on it on a football stadium.
Niko


Actually, the chanting of "ubi, ubi Siptar" by the Serb fans began much earlier than when the drone flew into the stadium, in fact, the match had not yet begun. Furthermore, the drone threatened no one. Only in Serbia is provocation a one way street.

This isn't entirely indicative of how all Croatian people are. As a Serb I know that not all people agree with those who have a loud voice and gain media attention. This doesn't represent everyone's mentality in Croatia.