Wednesday, 25.04.2018.
12:17
Aleksandar Vucic says everything that can be heard from representatives of provisional institutions in Kosovo and Metohija "only confirms what he said earlier."
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pre 6 godina
Genti you name 4 churches that are disputed yet do not mention the 1000 odd others that were there and just as old and were Serbian.
May I suggest you read up on some articles published by various Universities around the world about Serbian history in Kosovo. Try starting with Cambridge, Minnesota and Washington.
You have stolen Serbian land and yet are in denial,laughable.
pre 6 godina
there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first
(bacon and eggs, 27 April 2018 05:26)
Ok, and there is no data to suggest Serbs were there first, either. So, what's your point?!
pre 6 godina
(Peggy)
Some mis-guided Albanians did damage some of the churches, but they were mostly new ones built by Milloshevic, of no historic value. Albanians have protected the older Illyrian churches for centuries.
Most old churches in Kosovo were there before Serbs raided and invaded Kosovo. These facts are never mentioned on Serbian media, but Serbia had to OFFICIALLY state them when applying for UNESCO protection. To be admitted to UNESCO they had to state SCIENTIFIC evidence, not Serbian propaganda. The truth eventually came out!
Please go to UNESCO's website and read the first paragraph of the 4 medieval churches/monasteries that constitute the pride of "Serbian cultural heritage" in Kosovo. Here is a summary:
1) Gracanica Monastery - used to be a 6th century Christian three-naved basilica, part of the Eparchy of Ulpiana (in the Illyrian city of Ulpiana, in Illyrian/Albanian Ulk/Ujk means wolf).
2) Decani Monastery - supported by Urosh (a Serbian ruler) the chief architect and builder was an Albanian Franciscan monk from Kotor and he built it for the local Catholic Albanian population. All early Ottoman censuses demonstrate the local population that would have frequented the monastery was predominantly Catholic Albanian, as is clear by their non-Slavic names.
3) Patriarchate of Peja/Pec - built over what was Siperant, during the Roman Byzantine Empire
4) Our Lady of Ljevis in Prizren - used to be a Byzantine Church, called Metera Eleousa
pre 6 godina
Your whole Kosovo history is fake. You should read about Christianity in the sacred land of Illyrian Dardania, birthplace of Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of Europe! Serbs came to Kosovo and turned all Illyrian churches into Serbian. You should read about what you thieves have done.
(Genti, 28 April 2018 17:26)
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This is priceless.
YOUR churches? I love the way you treat your churches. When you kicked the Serbs out why then did you not take back "your" churches and cherish them? Why did you demolish them and use them as toilets?
Go on, do solve this mystery for us.
pre 6 godina
Pick up a book or even dare I say it spend 10 minutes less on a Serbian website trolling but rather google serbian monasteries in Kosovo and you may get an understanding what you thieving Albanians have done. Your entire history is fake.
(Bacon and Eggs, 28 April 2018 05:56)
Dear Bacon and Eggs,
Let's make it more easier for you.
Which book to pick up? Name the author of that book who proved beyond any doubt that Serbs, with their own hands built churches and therefore they were there before anybody else.
How do you know that Serbs built those churches? How does a building structure tell who was there first?
Can we stretch your thinking a bit more and dig deeper underground and check the DNA of numerous ancient human bones and see which current ethnicity has the closest blood link with these people? Wouldn't that be more accurate science? How come no Serb ever dared to suggest this?
Your president Vučić, just few days ago said that Albanians are building motorways and other major infrastructure all over Serbia. Does this mean that there are no Serbs in Serbia to perform these huge undertakings and does this make all of Serbia to be Albanian land?
If 500 years from now somebody asks 'Who built these roads?', applying your logics, would it be fair to conclude that Albanians built them because there were no Serbs at all, otherwise, had Serbs been there - they would have built themselves those roads, hence, everything is Albania!?
pre 6 godina
@Genti
That was the funniest piece of nonsense I have read in a while, once again you Albanians make up stuff to suit your insecurity. Have a look at census data of Albanians in Kosovo in the 1800's just to prove a point. Next you will be saying 1389 didnt involve Serbs but it was you brave Albanians that stood up to the Turks.
May explain why your King Zog 1 had to whore himself around all over Europe to find a bride after quite a few monarchies including the Greeks, British and the Danes wouldn't have a bar of him.
pre 6 godina
(Bacon and Eggs, 28 April 2018 05:56)
Your whole Kosovo history is fake. You should read about Christianity in the sacred land of Illyrian Dardania, birthplace of Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of Europe! Serbs came to Kosovo and turned all Illyrian churches into Serbian. You should read about what you thieves have done.
pre 6 godina
@tom Lorizo
Pick up a book or even dare I say it spend 10 minutes less on a Serbian website trolling but rather google serbian monasteries in Kosovo and you may get an understanding what you thieving Albanians have done. Your entire history is fake.
pre 6 godina
bacon and eggs
He was not talking about Kosovo. He was talking about serbian presence in the balkans. serbs and other south slavs did not appear in the balkans until 500 A.D. and this is correct. serbs did not exist before 500 A.D. and neither did slavs either in Europe. Your tribes came from central asia/Russia during the 6th century. Thanks
pre 6 godina
...Having completed numerous research on Serbian history in particular to Kosovo, there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first and this is backed up with lack of any artefacts, buildings or monuments. So please pissed off Serb put up or shut up.
(bacon and eggs, 27 April 2018 05:26)
Then it should be a walk in the park for you to enlighten us with the sources of information, literature and corresponding author's names you used for this 'numerous research' - whatever it means.
pre 6 godina
Prominent Serb Historians disagree/
(Pissed Off Serb, 26 April 2018 05:27)
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I call b%llshit, please provide names of these so called Serb Historians who disagree that Kosovo was Serbian historically.
Having completed numerous research on Serbian history in particular to Kosovo, there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first and this is backed up with lack of any artefacts, buildings or monuments. So please pissed off Serb put up or shut up.
pre 6 godina
Who's interest is this abortion land grab project they call "kosova"
(Watcher, 26 April 2018 23:12)
It must be your interest, dear, since few other people, if any, ask about or are aware of any abortion land grab project they call "kosova".
pre 6 godina
Srbija still had Res.1244, stating that KiM was part of Srbija
(Watcher, 26 April 2018 19:48)
That's very weird because Serbia vehemently opposed the adoption of Res.1244 telling the Security Council that by adopting it the
Security Council would be writing one of the darkest pages of its history and in doing so, the Security Council would be instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State. So, who is correct? You or Serbia?
pre 6 godina
As a foreigner, I came believing some goodness still exists in the former Yugoslavia but, after witnessing shit here the past 6yrs my opinion has changed 180 degrees. No words can describe my utter disappointment. All of these flee-bag republics should just loose their ego. There is zero reason to have one. Not one side is better than the other.
(DJ, 26 April 2018 22:17)
@ dj - depends where you're from, dude..."powers to be" always stuck their noses in the Balkans..so you can't blame all on Balkans!
Powerful countries always manipulated the Balkans in order to keep unrest there...for whatever reason. That's how they control things.
Before you put too much foot into mouth, read your history.
Plenty of blame to go all around!
Classic example in front of your nose...Who's interest is this abortion land grab project they call "kosova"...The albs are being manipulated for everyone to see, well...except the Albanians.They're still hanging on to this pipe dream...
pre 6 godina
As a foreigner, I came believing some goodness still exists in the former Yugoslavia but, after witnessing shit here the past 6yrs my opinion has changed 180 degrees. No words can describe my utter disappointment. All of these flee-bag republics should just loose their ego. There is zero reason to have one. Not one side is better than the other.
pre 6 godina
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
(Albanian American, 26 April 2018 12:28
Albo, if NATO dropped water balloons for 78 days, they would have caused damage to something. NATO dropped more sorties in the 78 day bombardment then any other campaign in history. Did you really think they wouldn't hit anything?!?!? Oh yeah, the Chinese embassy thing - didn't go over too well with China and NATO had to beg for forgiveness like the cowards they are and were.
pre 6 godina
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
(Albanian American, 26 April 2018 12:28)
@ alb amerikan - OK, I stand corrected! I won't use insulting words anymore. My apologies for that!
But to be fair, then...I will call you guys thieves, fair?
As far as "defending" our country, there is nothing you can do about a bullying coward bombing you from 30,000 + feet because they know coming lower is a risk...eg: F-117 "stealth", lol.
You can level the country until its a parking lot, but when that was done, Srbija still had Res.1244, stating that KiM was part of Srbija. Because they (not you) changed the rules afterwards doesn't make it fact.
Sorry...the world is still marveling over "How one defends his country"...like it or not;)
pre 6 godina
Even if they did, it would be the 1st time, Sherlock.
One thing about the Srbs...you throw us to the wolves, we come back leading the Pack...got it?
Now go and see if you could steal more land and call it "Albanian", lol
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 23:13)
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
pre 6 godina
The Serb leadership is panicking, knowing they have but a few months to prepare the Serb public for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo. The resident trolls and their alter egos are frantic attempting to rewrite history, but to no avail, as Kosovo recognition is imminent.
pre 6 godina
I would bet my money on Palestinian rock throwers rather than KLA goat herders. But then your all cousins and are useless when it comes to war. Reason for Americans not sending ground troops in Bosnia and Serbia is because they didn't want repeat of Vietnam war. Lots of dead Americans.
pre 6 godina
Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. Serbs didn't come from "somewhere" and invade.
(Ratko, 25 April 2018 21:12)
Prominent Serb Historians disagree/
pre 6 godina
Albo's on here please provide historical proof you were in Kosovo first, this question has been asked of you numerous times and you are yet to provide any evidence. All you do is lie and steal that is for certain and this article is just another confirmation of what was already known of your race. The difference between Albo's and Serbs is Serbs will fight for what they believe in, win, lose or draw, you Albo's on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.
pre 6 godina
Pick and choose your battles. One doesn’t fight when they are weak. It’s perfectly acceptable for Pristina to demand UN representation in exchange for ZSO. The definition of a good business deal in any venture is when both sides win! It’s hard to arrive at that since Serbs tactic for negotiation is “both sides must lose”. C’mon Serbia, be pragmatic! Give Albanians what they want and Albanians will give Serbs what they want. Stop being hard headed!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 25 April 2018 16:46)
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Yes, it is perfectly fine to ask to UN representation in exchange for whatever but BEFORE you sign not after which is what is happening now.
You just simply can't tear up a contract and say let's do another one.
You say if we give you what you want you will give us what we want. Really? What do you have that we need or want from you? Are you talking about loyalty to Serbia perhaps?
You see we don't want anything from you. Legally Kosovo is ours so what have to got to play with? Jokers don't count.
pre 6 godina
Blah,Blah,Blah,.....no one cares. You will never got Kosovo back. It was never yours to begin with. Slavs came to the balkans during 500 A.D. and this is confirmed by everyone and it is a well established fact. Before 500 A.D. serbs did not even exist as a "people". Albanians are paleo-balkanic people and this is proved by both the genetics we share as well as the languange we speak. We have much in common with Greeks when it comes to genetics and and our distant cousins are vlachs since they are the offspring of Illyrian-Thracians, same as proto-albanian tribes whos languange were evolved from the Jirecek line during the early middle ages.
(Cushing, 25 April 2018 19:32)
@ cushingaj - you're right, it's all blah, blah, blah...Walk the walk, moron...WHERE are the artifacts showing Albanians were there before Srbs? And no fair saying all our stuff is actually yours...won't work!
You got nothing...THAT's your problem...not the Srbs!!
pre 6 godina
Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
You my call yourself watcher , but you are not watching what you’re writing . serbia shown the world how to defend themselves ? Lol 😂
NATO was targeting only the oil and the military facilities , some bridges to , not civilians . How come you didn’t defend your oil if you know how to ? Stop lying to yourself because if you were middle eastern non-Christian you would’ve been singing different tune . Remember Panchevo, novi sad , kragujevac , The whole country would look like it
@ alb amerikan - so why didn't they? You're such a idiot! When our Generals teach in our schools about military defense, the "west" gets all "bent", LOL
Around the world, people have taken note about Srbija's defense...look it up yourself, moron! lol
Even if they did, it would be the 1st time, Sherlock.
One thing about the Srbs...you throw us to the wolves, we come back leading the Pack...got it?
Now go and see if you could steal more land and call it "Albanian", lol
pre 6 godina
Ratko
Your kind invaded the balkans during 500 AD. This based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. Everything else you said is false propaganda. All scientists and historians agree that serbs did not appear until 500 A.D. I would love to see you argue against that. Not to mention this is well established. Sorry. Truth hurts
pre 6 godina
A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there and forced you serbs to GTFO of Kosovo.And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle. NATO didn't beg anyone.As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
@ markaj - lol, sounds like someone is quite jealous, lol
Your "brave" NATO troops bombed from 30,000 feet, read it again...30,000 Feet...and you brag they didn't lose one single soldier...shows what you Albanians think of the word "brave, lol, lol
Much less this "kla" gang...ran for the hills and then behind NATO's apron...and they're STILL there, lol, lol
pre 6 godina
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
NATO and US General Clark were tactically embarrassed by Serbian General Pavkovic. Baghdad, that is your Albanian cousins who ran like rats when the US tanks rolled into Iraq. Similar to the Albanian KLA who were swept up like sewage from Kosovo by the Serbian army.
Newsweek-The Kosovo Cover Up
"In fact--as some critics suspected at the time--the air campaign against the Serb military in Kosovo was largely ineffective. NATO bombs plowed up some fields, blew up hundreds of cars, trucks and decoys, and barely dented Serb artillery and armor"http://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-cover-160273
pre 6 godina
If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
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Talking about mental gymnastics...LOL! NATO is a coalition of the unwilling and a divided organisation. If NATO really wanted to, what would it have done in Afghanistan 17 years later? It turned it into Baghdad and still couldn't win. LOL! Don't forget Kosare, NATO and the Albanians couldn't even defeat a handful of determined Serb soldiers and bombed Albanians instead. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ko%C5%A1are
We took on NATO and it could only kill civilians, both Serb and Albanian. The Serbian army came out fully intact. It was NATO that went crying to Russia to get a deal at the UN. Why do we have UNSCR1244? That is proof NATO didn't win the war and they wouldn't dare send in group troops. They would have been returned in coffins.
pre 6 godina
@mark = troll
hahaha
"NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there"
Lie
"And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle."
Another lie
"NATO didn't beg anyone."
And another lie
"As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy."
More lies
Every day your comments here it's lies lies lies lies lies lies
pre 6 godina
@ cushings = troll
bla bla bla
Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. Serbs didn't come from "somewhere" and invade.
Albanians originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the invaders.
pre 6 godina
A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there and forced you serbs to GTFO of Kosovo.And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle. NATO didn't beg anyone.As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy.
pre 6 godina
Blah,Blah,Blah,.....no one cares. You will never got Kosovo back. It was never yours to begin with. Slavs came to the balkans during 500 A.D. and this is confirmed by everyone and it is a well established fact. Before 500 A.D. serbs did not even exist as a "people". Albanians are paleo-balkanic people and this is proved by both the genetics we share as well as the languange we speak. We have much in common with Greeks when it comes to genetics and and our distant cousins are vlachs since they are the offspring of Illyrian-Thracians, same as proto-albanian tribes whos languange were evolved from the Jirecek line during the early middle ages.
pre 6 godina
Such a clown lol
pre 6 godina
It's obvious, agreements with Albanians mean nothing. If they can't implement their side of the already signed agreement then there is no point continuing. They are unreliable and untrustworthy. That pretty much sums up why they get little investment and their people are the poorest in Europe. Nobody wants to do business under those circumstances, not just Serbs.
pre 6 godina
Actions speak louder than words.
The US sent a representative to parliament to make sure they passed the war crimes court.
pre 6 godina
Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
You my call yourself watcher , but you are not watching what you’re writing . serbia shown the world how to defend themselves ? Lol 😂
NATO was targeting only the oil and the military facilities , some bridges to , not civilians . How come you didn’t defend your oil if you know how to ? Stop lying to yourself because if you were middle eastern non-Christian you would’ve been singing different tune . Remember Panchevo, novi sad , kragujevac , The whole country would look like it
pre 6 godina
If Albanians and NATO can not respect UNSCR 1244 and international law and the agreement they signed 19 years ago Serbs have every right to occupy Kosovo with military force as they violated the agreement. for 19 years Serbs in Kosovo have been living in squalid conditions and aggression on them has been supported by KFOR and EULEX so as to create an ethnically clean state yet I never hear Mr.Vucic talk about this. He is obviously under western control.
pre 6 godina
@Dragoljub Djurkovic
You are really a religious man aren't you? :)
religion is a great tool for politicians to manipulate people and put a tag on them. Ethnics/nationalities at balkan are defined by religion that is nonesense. But it helped the inside and outside politicians to divide people. Totally crazy if no southslav would have converted to monotism religion which all believe in the same creature they would have had to find another seperating attribite. I wonder what they would have came up with. Same language, almost all say they are slavs,... Maybe eastsouthslavs and westsouthslavs.
In central and north europe people slaughtered for more than 30 years because there were protestants and catholics. Today 400 years later, that is unimaginable for people living there.
But religion itself is not bad, some people need to believe in that to manage there life. But this religious people must be careful not to be used by others.
pre 6 godina
Mr Vucic I realize that for us living in the west it is easy for us to become experts in this subject , not having to bear responsibility for the decisions you must make in 4 months. On August 20 you must take matters into your own hands and support the ZSO At that point undoubtedly the Albanians will do something violent and stupid which will reveal how weak their support actually is
You will not be criticized by anyone for implementing something that they have agreed to 5 years ago
pre 6 godina
This whole story is a lie.. Vucic is scared he dares not to say anything that is why his Serbia under him is a sold out piece of land
pre 6 godina
i think that if what happened to Serbia it would happened to Romania , we would totaly collapsed .
What happened to Serbia is a drama , is a German curse for second world war
Germany control Europe and they not forget the first world war
Why Romania have big gdp grow ? because Germany see that we have German president
I apreciate Serbs for have personality but i think is better to kiss the Germans in the ass
Even if Croatia live from tourism and Eu money is not with a lot richer than Serbia
Example average salary and minimum salary is someting questionable but in East Europe 30% of people are old , and in Croatia average pension is only 300 euro in Serbia is over 200 euro but cost of living in Croatia are with over 50% than in Serbia , so i think old people from Serbia live better or at least equal with the ones from Croatia
In Croatia is BIG UNEMPLOYMENT
For be honest i don`t think that a family from Croatia live better than a family from Serbia
Except economy Serbia beat Croatia in everything else and at least Serbs are not racist or facist
Me personal opinion is that this thing " Croatia is over Balkan as level of life " is FAKE
That 800 euro average net salary from Croatia come at cost of big unemployment
pre 6 godina
Pick and choose your battles. One doesn’t fight when they are weak. It’s perfectly acceptable for Pristina to demand UN representation in exchange for ZSO. The definition of a good business deal in any venture is when both sides win! It’s hard to arrive at that since Serbs tactic for negotiation is “both sides must lose”. C’mon Serbia, be pragmatic! Give Albanians what they want and Albanians will give Serbs what they want. Stop being hard headed!
pre 6 godina
Serbian leaders Kosovo is a game and not interested in realistic and pragmastc solutions. They don't want to formally recognise Kosovo independence on one side and ask more the "establishment of the Serb Association"
pre 6 godina
Breaking news: you and the other little statelets in the Balkans are NOT sovereign. You don't even have the capability to safe guard your borders let alone earn the respect of super powers.
Sincerely,
(L*O*G*I*C, 25 April 2018 14:44)
@ illogicaj - you speak of "respect"? lol, what respect do you look for in stealing a piece of another countries land and pretending you have a "country" of your own?...only because the Bully allows you to do it!!
Ask NATO about Respect? A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
pre 6 godina
Serbia has diddled away valuable time concerning Kosovo. At present Serbia is not respected by. Either the West or East. The only solution is to choose one or the other to aline with.. This is the only way for Serbia to be truly independent.
pre 6 godina
What kind of propaganda service is this here? Formerly it was news.
pre 6 godina
"Because when we talk about Kosovo, we do not talk to those we should, that is to Kosovo (...)"
Did anyone catch this reference? Shouldn't you be talking to "Pristina" or the "Albanians"?
"I want us to be respected both in the East and in the West.
Breaking news: you and the other little statelets in the Balkans are NOT sovereign. You don't even have the capability to safe guard your borders let alone earn the respect of super powers.
Sincerely,
pre 6 godina
Funny because from what I remember he took part in destroying Serbia in 1999, together with his government pals. He's a great BS-er.
pre 6 godina
To : adrian_bucharest
Adrian, the last quarter century Srbija suffer the most damage in history of it's existence ! Well actually let me bring that back to around the early 1940's, this is was the start of the situation with Hitlers " Final Solution " and then the Serbian people put their new mortal god Croatian Josip Broz Tito on the throne in Beograd ! What Hitler did not accomplish during World War Two the USA, England and Germany with blessing of Roman Catholic Empire finish in 1990's with U-235 poison bombs on Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans ! Jugoslavija murdered and Srbija crucified in the name of the USA blind justice for Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans ! So it does not take a doctorate in rocket science to figure that one out, it is a miracle Srbija still exist today !!!
pre 6 godina
A question for Serbs , how they think they will ever overtake Croatia in statistics or in standard of living ? in condition that Croatia live from tourism and Eu money while Serbia live from Usa radiation bombs ?
pre 6 godina
Breaking news: you and the other little statelets in the Balkans are NOT sovereign. You don't even have the capability to safe guard your borders let alone earn the respect of super powers.
Sincerely,
(L*O*G*I*C, 25 April 2018 14:44)
@ illogicaj - you speak of "respect"? lol, what respect do you look for in stealing a piece of another countries land and pretending you have a "country" of your own?...only because the Bully allows you to do it!!
Ask NATO about Respect? A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
pre 6 godina
Funny because from what I remember he took part in destroying Serbia in 1999, together with his government pals. He's a great BS-er.
pre 6 godina
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
NATO and US General Clark were tactically embarrassed by Serbian General Pavkovic. Baghdad, that is your Albanian cousins who ran like rats when the US tanks rolled into Iraq. Similar to the Albanian KLA who were swept up like sewage from Kosovo by the Serbian army.
Newsweek-The Kosovo Cover Up
"In fact--as some critics suspected at the time--the air campaign against the Serb military in Kosovo was largely ineffective. NATO bombs plowed up some fields, blew up hundreds of cars, trucks and decoys, and barely dented Serb artillery and armor"http://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-cover-160273
pre 6 godina
Pick and choose your battles. One doesn’t fight when they are weak. It’s perfectly acceptable for Pristina to demand UN representation in exchange for ZSO. The definition of a good business deal in any venture is when both sides win! It’s hard to arrive at that since Serbs tactic for negotiation is “both sides must lose”. C’mon Serbia, be pragmatic! Give Albanians what they want and Albanians will give Serbs what they want. Stop being hard headed!
pre 6 godina
Blah,Blah,Blah,.....no one cares. You will never got Kosovo back. It was never yours to begin with. Slavs came to the balkans during 500 A.D. and this is confirmed by everyone and it is a well established fact. Before 500 A.D. serbs did not even exist as a "people". Albanians are paleo-balkanic people and this is proved by both the genetics we share as well as the languange we speak. We have much in common with Greeks when it comes to genetics and and our distant cousins are vlachs since they are the offspring of Illyrian-Thracians, same as proto-albanian tribes whos languange were evolved from the Jirecek line during the early middle ages.
pre 6 godina
A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there and forced you serbs to GTFO of Kosovo.And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle. NATO didn't beg anyone.As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy.
pre 6 godina
If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
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Talking about mental gymnastics...LOL! NATO is a coalition of the unwilling and a divided organisation. If NATO really wanted to, what would it have done in Afghanistan 17 years later? It turned it into Baghdad and still couldn't win. LOL! Don't forget Kosare, NATO and the Albanians couldn't even defeat a handful of determined Serb soldiers and bombed Albanians instead. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ko%C5%A1are
We took on NATO and it could only kill civilians, both Serb and Albanian. The Serbian army came out fully intact. It was NATO that went crying to Russia to get a deal at the UN. Why do we have UNSCR1244? That is proof NATO didn't win the war and they wouldn't dare send in group troops. They would have been returned in coffins.
pre 6 godina
To : adrian_bucharest
Adrian, the last quarter century Srbija suffer the most damage in history of it's existence ! Well actually let me bring that back to around the early 1940's, this is was the start of the situation with Hitlers " Final Solution " and then the Serbian people put their new mortal god Croatian Josip Broz Tito on the throne in Beograd ! What Hitler did not accomplish during World War Two the USA, England and Germany with blessing of Roman Catholic Empire finish in 1990's with U-235 poison bombs on Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans ! Jugoslavija murdered and Srbija crucified in the name of the USA blind justice for Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans ! So it does not take a doctorate in rocket science to figure that one out, it is a miracle Srbija still exist today !!!
pre 6 godina
What kind of propaganda service is this here? Formerly it was news.
pre 6 godina
If Albanians and NATO can not respect UNSCR 1244 and international law and the agreement they signed 19 years ago Serbs have every right to occupy Kosovo with military force as they violated the agreement. for 19 years Serbs in Kosovo have been living in squalid conditions and aggression on them has been supported by KFOR and EULEX so as to create an ethnically clean state yet I never hear Mr.Vucic talk about this. He is obviously under western control.
pre 6 godina
This whole story is a lie.. Vucic is scared he dares not to say anything that is why his Serbia under him is a sold out piece of land
pre 6 godina
A question for Serbs , how they think they will ever overtake Croatia in statistics or in standard of living ? in condition that Croatia live from tourism and Eu money while Serbia live from Usa radiation bombs ?
pre 6 godina
"Because when we talk about Kosovo, we do not talk to those we should, that is to Kosovo (...)"
Did anyone catch this reference? Shouldn't you be talking to "Pristina" or the "Albanians"?
"I want us to be respected both in the East and in the West.
Breaking news: you and the other little statelets in the Balkans are NOT sovereign. You don't even have the capability to safe guard your borders let alone earn the respect of super powers.
Sincerely,
pre 6 godina
Serbia has diddled away valuable time concerning Kosovo. At present Serbia is not respected by. Either the West or East. The only solution is to choose one or the other to aline with.. This is the only way for Serbia to be truly independent.
pre 6 godina
It's obvious, agreements with Albanians mean nothing. If they can't implement their side of the already signed agreement then there is no point continuing. They are unreliable and untrustworthy. That pretty much sums up why they get little investment and their people are the poorest in Europe. Nobody wants to do business under those circumstances, not just Serbs.
pre 6 godina
@ cushings = troll
bla bla bla
Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. Serbs didn't come from "somewhere" and invade.
Albanians originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the invaders.
pre 6 godina
@mark = troll
hahaha
"NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there"
Lie
"And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle."
Another lie
"NATO didn't beg anyone."
And another lie
"As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy."
More lies
Every day your comments here it's lies lies lies lies lies lies
pre 6 godina
Such a clown lol
pre 6 godina
Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. Serbs didn't come from "somewhere" and invade.
(Ratko, 25 April 2018 21:12)
Prominent Serb Historians disagree/
pre 6 godina
Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
You my call yourself watcher , but you are not watching what you’re writing . serbia shown the world how to defend themselves ? Lol 😂
NATO was targeting only the oil and the military facilities , some bridges to , not civilians . How come you didn’t defend your oil if you know how to ? Stop lying to yourself because if you were middle eastern non-Christian you would’ve been singing different tune . Remember Panchevo, novi sad , kragujevac , The whole country would look like it
pre 6 godina
Serbian leaders Kosovo is a game and not interested in realistic and pragmastc solutions. They don't want to formally recognise Kosovo independence on one side and ask more the "establishment of the Serb Association"
pre 6 godina
Mr Vucic I realize that for us living in the west it is easy for us to become experts in this subject , not having to bear responsibility for the decisions you must make in 4 months. On August 20 you must take matters into your own hands and support the ZSO At that point undoubtedly the Albanians will do something violent and stupid which will reveal how weak their support actually is
You will not be criticized by anyone for implementing something that they have agreed to 5 years ago
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Ratko
Your kind invaded the balkans during 500 AD. This based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. Everything else you said is false propaganda. All scientists and historians agree that serbs did not appear until 500 A.D. I would love to see you argue against that. Not to mention this is well established. Sorry. Truth hurts
pre 6 godina
I would bet my money on Palestinian rock throwers rather than KLA goat herders. But then your all cousins and are useless when it comes to war. Reason for Americans not sending ground troops in Bosnia and Serbia is because they didn't want repeat of Vietnam war. Lots of dead Americans.
pre 6 godina
Actions speak louder than words.
The US sent a representative to parliament to make sure they passed the war crimes court.
pre 6 godina
Even if they did, it would be the 1st time, Sherlock.
One thing about the Srbs...you throw us to the wolves, we come back leading the Pack...got it?
Now go and see if you could steal more land and call it "Albanian", lol
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 23:13)
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
pre 6 godina
i think that if what happened to Serbia it would happened to Romania , we would totaly collapsed .
What happened to Serbia is a drama , is a German curse for second world war
Germany control Europe and they not forget the first world war
Why Romania have big gdp grow ? because Germany see that we have German president
I apreciate Serbs for have personality but i think is better to kiss the Germans in the ass
Even if Croatia live from tourism and Eu money is not with a lot richer than Serbia
Example average salary and minimum salary is someting questionable but in East Europe 30% of people are old , and in Croatia average pension is only 300 euro in Serbia is over 200 euro but cost of living in Croatia are with over 50% than in Serbia , so i think old people from Serbia live better or at least equal with the ones from Croatia
In Croatia is BIG UNEMPLOYMENT
For be honest i don`t think that a family from Croatia live better than a family from Serbia
Except economy Serbia beat Croatia in everything else and at least Serbs are not racist or facist
Me personal opinion is that this thing " Croatia is over Balkan as level of life " is FAKE
That 800 euro average net salary from Croatia come at cost of big unemployment
pre 6 godina
@Dragoljub Djurkovic
You are really a religious man aren't you? :)
religion is a great tool for politicians to manipulate people and put a tag on them. Ethnics/nationalities at balkan are defined by religion that is nonesense. But it helped the inside and outside politicians to divide people. Totally crazy if no southslav would have converted to monotism religion which all believe in the same creature they would have had to find another seperating attribite. I wonder what they would have came up with. Same language, almost all say they are slavs,... Maybe eastsouthslavs and westsouthslavs.
In central and north europe people slaughtered for more than 30 years because there were protestants and catholics. Today 400 years later, that is unimaginable for people living there.
But religion itself is not bad, some people need to believe in that to manage there life. But this religious people must be careful not to be used by others.
pre 6 godina
Pick and choose your battles. One doesn’t fight when they are weak. It’s perfectly acceptable for Pristina to demand UN representation in exchange for ZSO. The definition of a good business deal in any venture is when both sides win! It’s hard to arrive at that since Serbs tactic for negotiation is “both sides must lose”. C’mon Serbia, be pragmatic! Give Albanians what they want and Albanians will give Serbs what they want. Stop being hard headed!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 25 April 2018 16:46)
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Yes, it is perfectly fine to ask to UN representation in exchange for whatever but BEFORE you sign not after which is what is happening now.
You just simply can't tear up a contract and say let's do another one.
You say if we give you what you want you will give us what we want. Really? What do you have that we need or want from you? Are you talking about loyalty to Serbia perhaps?
You see we don't want anything from you. Legally Kosovo is ours so what have to got to play with? Jokers don't count.
pre 6 godina
Albo's on here please provide historical proof you were in Kosovo first, this question has been asked of you numerous times and you are yet to provide any evidence. All you do is lie and steal that is for certain and this article is just another confirmation of what was already known of your race. The difference between Albo's and Serbs is Serbs will fight for what they believe in, win, lose or draw, you Albo's on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.
pre 6 godina
The Serb leadership is panicking, knowing they have but a few months to prepare the Serb public for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo. The resident trolls and their alter egos are frantic attempting to rewrite history, but to no avail, as Kosovo recognition is imminent.
pre 6 godina
...Having completed numerous research on Serbian history in particular to Kosovo, there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first and this is backed up with lack of any artefacts, buildings or monuments. So please pissed off Serb put up or shut up.
(bacon and eggs, 27 April 2018 05:26)
Then it should be a walk in the park for you to enlighten us with the sources of information, literature and corresponding author's names you used for this 'numerous research' - whatever it means.
pre 6 godina
bacon and eggs
He was not talking about Kosovo. He was talking about serbian presence in the balkans. serbs and other south slavs did not appear in the balkans until 500 A.D. and this is correct. serbs did not exist before 500 A.D. and neither did slavs either in Europe. Your tribes came from central asia/Russia during the 6th century. Thanks
pre 6 godina
Blah,Blah,Blah,.....no one cares. You will never got Kosovo back. It was never yours to begin with. Slavs came to the balkans during 500 A.D. and this is confirmed by everyone and it is a well established fact. Before 500 A.D. serbs did not even exist as a "people". Albanians are paleo-balkanic people and this is proved by both the genetics we share as well as the languange we speak. We have much in common with Greeks when it comes to genetics and and our distant cousins are vlachs since they are the offspring of Illyrian-Thracians, same as proto-albanian tribes whos languange were evolved from the Jirecek line during the early middle ages.
(Cushing, 25 April 2018 19:32)
@ cushingaj - you're right, it's all blah, blah, blah...Walk the walk, moron...WHERE are the artifacts showing Albanians were there before Srbs? And no fair saying all our stuff is actually yours...won't work!
You got nothing...THAT's your problem...not the Srbs!!
pre 6 godina
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
(Albanian American, 26 April 2018 12:28
Albo, if NATO dropped water balloons for 78 days, they would have caused damage to something. NATO dropped more sorties in the 78 day bombardment then any other campaign in history. Did you really think they wouldn't hit anything?!?!? Oh yeah, the Chinese embassy thing - didn't go over too well with China and NATO had to beg for forgiveness like the cowards they are and were.
pre 6 godina
As a foreigner, I came believing some goodness still exists in the former Yugoslavia but, after witnessing shit here the past 6yrs my opinion has changed 180 degrees. No words can describe my utter disappointment. All of these flee-bag republics should just loose their ego. There is zero reason to have one. Not one side is better than the other.
(DJ, 26 April 2018 22:17)
@ dj - depends where you're from, dude..."powers to be" always stuck their noses in the Balkans..so you can't blame all on Balkans!
Powerful countries always manipulated the Balkans in order to keep unrest there...for whatever reason. That's how they control things.
Before you put too much foot into mouth, read your history.
Plenty of blame to go all around!
Classic example in front of your nose...Who's interest is this abortion land grab project they call "kosova"...The albs are being manipulated for everyone to see, well...except the Albanians.They're still hanging on to this pipe dream...
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A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there and forced you serbs to GTFO of Kosovo.And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle. NATO didn't beg anyone.As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
@ markaj - lol, sounds like someone is quite jealous, lol
Your "brave" NATO troops bombed from 30,000 feet, read it again...30,000 Feet...and you brag they didn't lose one single soldier...shows what you Albanians think of the word "brave, lol, lol
Much less this "kla" gang...ran for the hills and then behind NATO's apron...and they're STILL there, lol, lol
pre 6 godina
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
(Albanian American, 26 April 2018 12:28)
@ alb amerikan - OK, I stand corrected! I won't use insulting words anymore. My apologies for that!
But to be fair, then...I will call you guys thieves, fair?
As far as "defending" our country, there is nothing you can do about a bullying coward bombing you from 30,000 + feet because they know coming lower is a risk...eg: F-117 "stealth", lol.
You can level the country until its a parking lot, but when that was done, Srbija still had Res.1244, stating that KiM was part of Srbija. Because they (not you) changed the rules afterwards doesn't make it fact.
Sorry...the world is still marveling over "How one defends his country"...like it or not;)
pre 6 godina
Srbija still had Res.1244, stating that KiM was part of Srbija
(Watcher, 26 April 2018 19:48)
That's very weird because Serbia vehemently opposed the adoption of Res.1244 telling the Security Council that by adopting it the
Security Council would be writing one of the darkest pages of its history and in doing so, the Security Council would be instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State. So, who is correct? You or Serbia?
pre 6 godina
Prominent Serb Historians disagree/
(Pissed Off Serb, 26 April 2018 05:27)
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I call b%llshit, please provide names of these so called Serb Historians who disagree that Kosovo was Serbian historically.
Having completed numerous research on Serbian history in particular to Kosovo, there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first and this is backed up with lack of any artefacts, buildings or monuments. So please pissed off Serb put up or shut up.
pre 6 godina
Who's interest is this abortion land grab project they call "kosova"
(Watcher, 26 April 2018 23:12)
It must be your interest, dear, since few other people, if any, ask about or are aware of any abortion land grab project they call "kosova".
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(Bacon and Eggs, 28 April 2018 05:56)
Your whole Kosovo history is fake. You should read about Christianity in the sacred land of Illyrian Dardania, birthplace of Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of Europe! Serbs came to Kosovo and turned all Illyrian churches into Serbian. You should read about what you thieves have done.
pre 6 godina
@Genti
That was the funniest piece of nonsense I have read in a while, once again you Albanians make up stuff to suit your insecurity. Have a look at census data of Albanians in Kosovo in the 1800's just to prove a point. Next you will be saying 1389 didnt involve Serbs but it was you brave Albanians that stood up to the Turks.
May explain why your King Zog 1 had to whore himself around all over Europe to find a bride after quite a few monarchies including the Greeks, British and the Danes wouldn't have a bar of him.
pre 6 godina
Pick up a book or even dare I say it spend 10 minutes less on a Serbian website trolling but rather google serbian monasteries in Kosovo and you may get an understanding what you thieving Albanians have done. Your entire history is fake.
(Bacon and Eggs, 28 April 2018 05:56)
Dear Bacon and Eggs,
Let's make it more easier for you.
Which book to pick up? Name the author of that book who proved beyond any doubt that Serbs, with their own hands built churches and therefore they were there before anybody else.
How do you know that Serbs built those churches? How does a building structure tell who was there first?
Can we stretch your thinking a bit more and dig deeper underground and check the DNA of numerous ancient human bones and see which current ethnicity has the closest blood link with these people? Wouldn't that be more accurate science? How come no Serb ever dared to suggest this?
Your president Vučić, just few days ago said that Albanians are building motorways and other major infrastructure all over Serbia. Does this mean that there are no Serbs in Serbia to perform these huge undertakings and does this make all of Serbia to be Albanian land?
If 500 years from now somebody asks 'Who built these roads?', applying your logics, would it be fair to conclude that Albanians built them because there were no Serbs at all, otherwise, had Serbs been there - they would have built themselves those roads, hence, everything is Albania!?
pre 6 godina
(Peggy)
Some mis-guided Albanians did damage some of the churches, but they were mostly new ones built by Milloshevic, of no historic value. Albanians have protected the older Illyrian churches for centuries.
Most old churches in Kosovo were there before Serbs raided and invaded Kosovo. These facts are never mentioned on Serbian media, but Serbia had to OFFICIALLY state them when applying for UNESCO protection. To be admitted to UNESCO they had to state SCIENTIFIC evidence, not Serbian propaganda. The truth eventually came out!
Please go to UNESCO's website and read the first paragraph of the 4 medieval churches/monasteries that constitute the pride of "Serbian cultural heritage" in Kosovo. Here is a summary:
1) Gracanica Monastery - used to be a 6th century Christian three-naved basilica, part of the Eparchy of Ulpiana (in the Illyrian city of Ulpiana, in Illyrian/Albanian Ulk/Ujk means wolf).
2) Decani Monastery - supported by Urosh (a Serbian ruler) the chief architect and builder was an Albanian Franciscan monk from Kotor and he built it for the local Catholic Albanian population. All early Ottoman censuses demonstrate the local population that would have frequented the monastery was predominantly Catholic Albanian, as is clear by their non-Slavic names.
3) Patriarchate of Peja/Pec - built over what was Siperant, during the Roman Byzantine Empire
4) Our Lady of Ljevis in Prizren - used to be a Byzantine Church, called Metera Eleousa
pre 6 godina
there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first
(bacon and eggs, 27 April 2018 05:26)
Ok, and there is no data to suggest Serbs were there first, either. So, what's your point?!
pre 6 godina
Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
You my call yourself watcher , but you are not watching what you’re writing . serbia shown the world how to defend themselves ? Lol 😂
NATO was targeting only the oil and the military facilities , some bridges to , not civilians . How come you didn’t defend your oil if you know how to ? Stop lying to yourself because if you were middle eastern non-Christian you would’ve been singing different tune . Remember Panchevo, novi sad , kragujevac , The whole country would look like it
@ alb amerikan - so why didn't they? You're such a idiot! When our Generals teach in our schools about military defense, the "west" gets all "bent", LOL
Around the world, people have taken note about Srbija's defense...look it up yourself, moron! lol
Even if they did, it would be the 1st time, Sherlock.
One thing about the Srbs...you throw us to the wolves, we come back leading the Pack...got it?
Now go and see if you could steal more land and call it "Albanian", lol
pre 6 godina
@tom Lorizo
Pick up a book or even dare I say it spend 10 minutes less on a Serbian website trolling but rather google serbian monasteries in Kosovo and you may get an understanding what you thieving Albanians have done. Your entire history is fake.
pre 6 godina
Your whole Kosovo history is fake. You should read about Christianity in the sacred land of Illyrian Dardania, birthplace of Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of Europe! Serbs came to Kosovo and turned all Illyrian churches into Serbian. You should read about what you thieves have done.
(Genti, 28 April 2018 17:26)
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This is priceless.
YOUR churches? I love the way you treat your churches. When you kicked the Serbs out why then did you not take back "your" churches and cherish them? Why did you demolish them and use them as toilets?
Go on, do solve this mystery for us.
pre 6 godina
As a foreigner, I came believing some goodness still exists in the former Yugoslavia but, after witnessing shit here the past 6yrs my opinion has changed 180 degrees. No words can describe my utter disappointment. All of these flee-bag republics should just loose their ego. There is zero reason to have one. Not one side is better than the other.
pre 6 godina
Genti you name 4 churches that are disputed yet do not mention the 1000 odd others that were there and just as old and were Serbian.
May I suggest you read up on some articles published by various Universities around the world about Serbian history in Kosovo. Try starting with Cambridge, Minnesota and Washington.
You have stolen Serbian land and yet are in denial,laughable.
pre 6 godina
Pick and choose your battles. One doesn’t fight when they are weak. It’s perfectly acceptable for Pristina to demand UN representation in exchange for ZSO. The definition of a good business deal in any venture is when both sides win! It’s hard to arrive at that since Serbs tactic for negotiation is “both sides must lose”. C’mon Serbia, be pragmatic! Give Albanians what they want and Albanians will give Serbs what they want. Stop being hard headed!
pre 6 godina
A question for Serbs , how they think they will ever overtake Croatia in statistics or in standard of living ? in condition that Croatia live from tourism and Eu money while Serbia live from Usa radiation bombs ?
pre 6 godina
Funny because from what I remember he took part in destroying Serbia in 1999, together with his government pals. He's a great BS-er.
pre 6 godina
Blah,Blah,Blah,.....no one cares. You will never got Kosovo back. It was never yours to begin with. Slavs came to the balkans during 500 A.D. and this is confirmed by everyone and it is a well established fact. Before 500 A.D. serbs did not even exist as a "people". Albanians are paleo-balkanic people and this is proved by both the genetics we share as well as the languange we speak. We have much in common with Greeks when it comes to genetics and and our distant cousins are vlachs since they are the offspring of Illyrian-Thracians, same as proto-albanian tribes whos languange were evolved from the Jirecek line during the early middle ages.
pre 6 godina
A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there and forced you serbs to GTFO of Kosovo.And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle. NATO didn't beg anyone.As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy.
pre 6 godina
Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
You my call yourself watcher , but you are not watching what you’re writing . serbia shown the world how to defend themselves ? Lol 😂
NATO was targeting only the oil and the military facilities , some bridges to , not civilians . How come you didn’t defend your oil if you know how to ? Stop lying to yourself because if you were middle eastern non-Christian you would’ve been singing different tune . Remember Panchevo, novi sad , kragujevac , The whole country would look like it
pre 6 godina
To : adrian_bucharest
Adrian, the last quarter century Srbija suffer the most damage in history of it's existence ! Well actually let me bring that back to around the early 1940's, this is was the start of the situation with Hitlers " Final Solution " and then the Serbian people put their new mortal god Croatian Josip Broz Tito on the throne in Beograd ! What Hitler did not accomplish during World War Two the USA, England and Germany with blessing of Roman Catholic Empire finish in 1990's with U-235 poison bombs on Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans ! Jugoslavija murdered and Srbija crucified in the name of the USA blind justice for Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans ! So it does not take a doctorate in rocket science to figure that one out, it is a miracle Srbija still exist today !!!
pre 6 godina
"Because when we talk about Kosovo, we do not talk to those we should, that is to Kosovo (...)"
Did anyone catch this reference? Shouldn't you be talking to "Pristina" or the "Albanians"?
"I want us to be respected both in the East and in the West.
Breaking news: you and the other little statelets in the Balkans are NOT sovereign. You don't even have the capability to safe guard your borders let alone earn the respect of super powers.
Sincerely,
pre 6 godina
Serbia has diddled away valuable time concerning Kosovo. At present Serbia is not respected by. Either the West or East. The only solution is to choose one or the other to aline with.. This is the only way for Serbia to be truly independent.
pre 6 godina
Breaking news: you and the other little statelets in the Balkans are NOT sovereign. You don't even have the capability to safe guard your borders let alone earn the respect of super powers.
Sincerely,
(L*O*G*I*C, 25 April 2018 14:44)
@ illogicaj - you speak of "respect"? lol, what respect do you look for in stealing a piece of another countries land and pretending you have a "country" of your own?...only because the Bully allows you to do it!!
Ask NATO about Respect? A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
pre 6 godina
What kind of propaganda service is this here? Formerly it was news.
pre 6 godina
Serbian leaders Kosovo is a game and not interested in realistic and pragmastc solutions. They don't want to formally recognise Kosovo independence on one side and ask more the "establishment of the Serb Association"
pre 6 godina
It's obvious, agreements with Albanians mean nothing. If they can't implement their side of the already signed agreement then there is no point continuing. They are unreliable and untrustworthy. That pretty much sums up why they get little investment and their people are the poorest in Europe. Nobody wants to do business under those circumstances, not just Serbs.
pre 6 godina
If Albanians and NATO can not respect UNSCR 1244 and international law and the agreement they signed 19 years ago Serbs have every right to occupy Kosovo with military force as they violated the agreement. for 19 years Serbs in Kosovo have been living in squalid conditions and aggression on them has been supported by KFOR and EULEX so as to create an ethnically clean state yet I never hear Mr.Vucic talk about this. He is obviously under western control.
pre 6 godina
Actions speak louder than words.
The US sent a representative to parliament to make sure they passed the war crimes court.
pre 6 godina
Mr Vucic I realize that for us living in the west it is easy for us to become experts in this subject , not having to bear responsibility for the decisions you must make in 4 months. On August 20 you must take matters into your own hands and support the ZSO At that point undoubtedly the Albanians will do something violent and stupid which will reveal how weak their support actually is
You will not be criticized by anyone for implementing something that they have agreed to 5 years ago
pre 6 godina
@Dragoljub Djurkovic
You are really a religious man aren't you? :)
religion is a great tool for politicians to manipulate people and put a tag on them. Ethnics/nationalities at balkan are defined by religion that is nonesense. But it helped the inside and outside politicians to divide people. Totally crazy if no southslav would have converted to monotism religion which all believe in the same creature they would have had to find another seperating attribite. I wonder what they would have came up with. Same language, almost all say they are slavs,... Maybe eastsouthslavs and westsouthslavs.
In central and north europe people slaughtered for more than 30 years because there were protestants and catholics. Today 400 years later, that is unimaginable for people living there.
But religion itself is not bad, some people need to believe in that to manage there life. But this religious people must be careful not to be used by others.
pre 6 godina
@ cushings = troll
bla bla bla
Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. Serbs didn't come from "somewhere" and invade.
Albanians originate from mountains around black sea (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the invaders.
pre 6 godina
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
NATO and US General Clark were tactically embarrassed by Serbian General Pavkovic. Baghdad, that is your Albanian cousins who ran like rats when the US tanks rolled into Iraq. Similar to the Albanian KLA who were swept up like sewage from Kosovo by the Serbian army.
Newsweek-The Kosovo Cover Up
"In fact--as some critics suspected at the time--the air campaign against the Serb military in Kosovo was largely ineffective. NATO bombs plowed up some fields, blew up hundreds of cars, trucks and decoys, and barely dented Serb artillery and armor"http://www.newsweek.com/kosovo-cover-160273
pre 6 godina
Albo's on here please provide historical proof you were in Kosovo first, this question has been asked of you numerous times and you are yet to provide any evidence. All you do is lie and steal that is for certain and this article is just another confirmation of what was already known of your race. The difference between Albo's and Serbs is Serbs will fight for what they believe in, win, lose or draw, you Albo's on the other hand are a different kettle of fish.
pre 6 godina
This whole story is a lie.. Vucic is scared he dares not to say anything that is why his Serbia under him is a sold out piece of land
pre 6 godina
If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
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Talking about mental gymnastics...LOL! NATO is a coalition of the unwilling and a divided organisation. If NATO really wanted to, what would it have done in Afghanistan 17 years later? It turned it into Baghdad and still couldn't win. LOL! Don't forget Kosare, NATO and the Albanians couldn't even defeat a handful of determined Serb soldiers and bombed Albanians instead. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ko%C5%A1are
We took on NATO and it could only kill civilians, both Serb and Albanian. The Serbian army came out fully intact. It was NATO that went crying to Russia to get a deal at the UN. Why do we have UNSCR1244? That is proof NATO didn't win the war and they wouldn't dare send in group troops. They would have been returned in coffins.
pre 6 godina
A small country like Srbija showed the world how one defends his country...Nato had to go and beg Moscow to have BG sign up to a peace deal...why? because they KNEW sending in troops would be a bloodbath!!
And you speak of respect?
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
Ha ha ha ha.The mental gymnastics in your post are unbelievable.Serbia showed the world how not to mess with NATO. If NATO really wanted to be serious they will have turned Belgrade into Baghdad.NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there and forced you serbs to GTFO of Kosovo.And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle. NATO didn't beg anyone.As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy.
(mark, 25 April 2018 20:01)
@ markaj - lol, sounds like someone is quite jealous, lol
Your "brave" NATO troops bombed from 30,000 feet, read it again...30,000 Feet...and you brag they didn't lose one single soldier...shows what you Albanians think of the word "brave, lol, lol
Much less this "kla" gang...ran for the hills and then behind NATO's apron...and they're STILL there, lol, lol
pre 6 godina
Pick and choose your battles. One doesn’t fight when they are weak. It’s perfectly acceptable for Pristina to demand UN representation in exchange for ZSO. The definition of a good business deal in any venture is when both sides win! It’s hard to arrive at that since Serbs tactic for negotiation is “both sides must lose”. C’mon Serbia, be pragmatic! Give Albanians what they want and Albanians will give Serbs what they want. Stop being hard headed!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 25 April 2018 16:46)
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Yes, it is perfectly fine to ask to UN representation in exchange for whatever but BEFORE you sign not after which is what is happening now.
You just simply can't tear up a contract and say let's do another one.
You say if we give you what you want you will give us what we want. Really? What do you have that we need or want from you? Are you talking about loyalty to Serbia perhaps?
You see we don't want anything from you. Legally Kosovo is ours so what have to got to play with? Jokers don't count.
pre 6 godina
i think that if what happened to Serbia it would happened to Romania , we would totaly collapsed .
What happened to Serbia is a drama , is a German curse for second world war
Germany control Europe and they not forget the first world war
Why Romania have big gdp grow ? because Germany see that we have German president
I apreciate Serbs for have personality but i think is better to kiss the Germans in the ass
Even if Croatia live from tourism and Eu money is not with a lot richer than Serbia
Example average salary and minimum salary is someting questionable but in East Europe 30% of people are old , and in Croatia average pension is only 300 euro in Serbia is over 200 euro but cost of living in Croatia are with over 50% than in Serbia , so i think old people from Serbia live better or at least equal with the ones from Croatia
In Croatia is BIG UNEMPLOYMENT
For be honest i don`t think that a family from Croatia live better than a family from Serbia
Except economy Serbia beat Croatia in everything else and at least Serbs are not racist or facist
Me personal opinion is that this thing " Croatia is over Balkan as level of life " is FAKE
That 800 euro average net salary from Croatia come at cost of big unemployment
pre 6 godina
Such a clown lol
pre 6 godina
Watcher, 25 April 2018 16:14)
You my call yourself watcher , but you are not watching what you’re writing . serbia shown the world how to defend themselves ? Lol 😂
NATO was targeting only the oil and the military facilities , some bridges to , not civilians . How come you didn’t defend your oil if you know how to ? Stop lying to yourself because if you were middle eastern non-Christian you would’ve been singing different tune . Remember Panchevo, novi sad , kragujevac , The whole country would look like it
@ alb amerikan - so why didn't they? You're such a idiot! When our Generals teach in our schools about military defense, the "west" gets all "bent", LOL
Around the world, people have taken note about Srbija's defense...look it up yourself, moron! lol
Even if they did, it would be the 1st time, Sherlock.
One thing about the Srbs...you throw us to the wolves, we come back leading the Pack...got it?
Now go and see if you could steal more land and call it "Albanian", lol
pre 6 godina
Blah,Blah,Blah,.....no one cares. You will never got Kosovo back. It was never yours to begin with. Slavs came to the balkans during 500 A.D. and this is confirmed by everyone and it is a well established fact. Before 500 A.D. serbs did not even exist as a "people". Albanians are paleo-balkanic people and this is proved by both the genetics we share as well as the languange we speak. We have much in common with Greeks when it comes to genetics and and our distant cousins are vlachs since they are the offspring of Illyrian-Thracians, same as proto-albanian tribes whos languange were evolved from the Jirecek line during the early middle ages.
(Cushing, 25 April 2018 19:32)
@ cushingaj - you're right, it's all blah, blah, blah...Walk the walk, moron...WHERE are the artifacts showing Albanians were there before Srbs? And no fair saying all our stuff is actually yours...won't work!
You got nothing...THAT's your problem...not the Srbs!!
pre 6 godina
I would bet my money on Palestinian rock throwers rather than KLA goat herders. But then your all cousins and are useless when it comes to war. Reason for Americans not sending ground troops in Bosnia and Serbia is because they didn't want repeat of Vietnam war. Lots of dead Americans.
pre 6 godina
@mark = troll
hahaha
"NATO bombed a few empty government buildings here and there"
Lie
"And they did it without even losing one single soldier in battle."
Another lie
"NATO didn't beg anyone."
And another lie
"As soon as you brave serbs heard the words" ground troops" you ran back to mommy."
More lies
Every day your comments here it's lies lies lies lies lies lies
pre 6 godina
Even if they did, it would be the 1st time, Sherlock.
One thing about the Srbs...you throw us to the wolves, we come back leading the Pack...got it?
Now go and see if you could steal more land and call it "Albanian", lol
(Watcher, 25 April 2018 23:13)
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
pre 6 godina
bacon and eggs
He was not talking about Kosovo. He was talking about serbian presence in the balkans. serbs and other south slavs did not appear in the balkans until 500 A.D. and this is correct. serbs did not exist before 500 A.D. and neither did slavs either in Europe. Your tribes came from central asia/Russia during the 6th century. Thanks
pre 6 godina
Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. Serbs didn't come from "somewhere" and invade.
(Ratko, 25 April 2018 21:12)
Prominent Serb Historians disagree/
pre 6 godina
As a foreigner, I came believing some goodness still exists in the former Yugoslavia but, after witnessing shit here the past 6yrs my opinion has changed 180 degrees. No words can describe my utter disappointment. All of these flee-bag republics should just loose their ego. There is zero reason to have one. Not one side is better than the other.
(DJ, 26 April 2018 22:17)
@ dj - depends where you're from, dude..."powers to be" always stuck their noses in the Balkans..so you can't blame all on Balkans!
Powerful countries always manipulated the Balkans in order to keep unrest there...for whatever reason. That's how they control things.
Before you put too much foot into mouth, read your history.
Plenty of blame to go all around!
Classic example in front of your nose...Who's interest is this abortion land grab project they call "kosova"...The albs are being manipulated for everyone to see, well...except the Albanians.They're still hanging on to this pipe dream...
pre 6 godina
Ratko
Your kind invaded the balkans during 500 AD. This based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. Everything else you said is false propaganda. All scientists and historians agree that serbs did not appear until 500 A.D. I would love to see you argue against that. Not to mention this is well established. Sorry. Truth hurts
pre 6 godina
The Serb leadership is panicking, knowing they have but a few months to prepare the Serb public for Serbia's recognition of Kosovo. The resident trolls and their alter egos are frantic attempting to rewrite history, but to no avail, as Kosovo recognition is imminent.
pre 6 godina
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
(Albanian American, 26 April 2018 12:28)
@ alb amerikan - OK, I stand corrected! I won't use insulting words anymore. My apologies for that!
But to be fair, then...I will call you guys thieves, fair?
As far as "defending" our country, there is nothing you can do about a bullying coward bombing you from 30,000 + feet because they know coming lower is a risk...eg: F-117 "stealth", lol.
You can level the country until its a parking lot, but when that was done, Srbija still had Res.1244, stating that KiM was part of Srbija. Because they (not you) changed the rules afterwards doesn't make it fact.
Sorry...the world is still marveling over "How one defends his country"...like it or not;)
pre 6 godina
Prominent Serb Historians disagree/
(Pissed Off Serb, 26 April 2018 05:27)
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I call b%llshit, please provide names of these so called Serb Historians who disagree that Kosovo was Serbian historically.
Having completed numerous research on Serbian history in particular to Kosovo, there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first and this is backed up with lack of any artefacts, buildings or monuments. So please pissed off Serb put up or shut up.
pre 6 godina
Your whole Kosovo history is fake. You should read about Christianity in the sacred land of Illyrian Dardania, birthplace of Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of Europe! Serbs came to Kosovo and turned all Illyrian churches into Serbian. You should read about what you thieves have done.
(Genti, 28 April 2018 17:26)
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This is priceless.
YOUR churches? I love the way you treat your churches. When you kicked the Serbs out why then did you not take back "your" churches and cherish them? Why did you demolish them and use them as toilets?
Go on, do solve this mystery for us.
pre 6 godina
Srbija still had Res.1244, stating that KiM was part of Srbija
(Watcher, 26 April 2018 19:48)
That's very weird because Serbia vehemently opposed the adoption of Res.1244 telling the Security Council that by adopting it the
Security Council would be writing one of the darkest pages of its history and in doing so, the Security Council would be instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State. So, who is correct? You or Serbia?
pre 6 godina
...Having completed numerous research on Serbian history in particular to Kosovo, there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first and this is backed up with lack of any artefacts, buildings or monuments. So please pissed off Serb put up or shut up.
(bacon and eggs, 27 April 2018 05:26)
Then it should be a walk in the park for you to enlighten us with the sources of information, literature and corresponding author's names you used for this 'numerous research' - whatever it means.
pre 6 godina
(Bacon and Eggs, 28 April 2018 05:56)
Your whole Kosovo history is fake. You should read about Christianity in the sacred land of Illyrian Dardania, birthplace of Constantine the Great who made Christianity the official religion of Europe! Serbs came to Kosovo and turned all Illyrian churches into Serbian. You should read about what you thieves have done.
pre 6 godina
Genti you name 4 churches that are disputed yet do not mention the 1000 odd others that were there and just as old and were Serbian.
May I suggest you read up on some articles published by various Universities around the world about Serbian history in Kosovo. Try starting with Cambridge, Minnesota and Washington.
You have stolen Serbian land and yet are in denial,laughable.
pre 6 godina
All you do you use insulting words (moran, idiot) blah blah blah , just typical serb. And what is the answer ? Oh yea got nothing. Let me ask you again . How come you did not defend your oil ,zarava factory , bridges , your train i’m sure you remember what I’m talking about , the tv station, Chinese embassy ,etc??? Oh yeah and don’t forget insult meet because the b92 allows you .
Panchevo and novi sad oil depos ????
(Albanian American, 26 April 2018 12:28
Albo, if NATO dropped water balloons for 78 days, they would have caused damage to something. NATO dropped more sorties in the 78 day bombardment then any other campaign in history. Did you really think they wouldn't hit anything?!?!? Oh yeah, the Chinese embassy thing - didn't go over too well with China and NATO had to beg for forgiveness like the cowards they are and were.
pre 6 godina
Who's interest is this abortion land grab project they call "kosova"
(Watcher, 26 April 2018 23:12)
It must be your interest, dear, since few other people, if any, ask about or are aware of any abortion land grab project they call "kosova".
pre 6 godina
@tom Lorizo
Pick up a book or even dare I say it spend 10 minutes less on a Serbian website trolling but rather google serbian monasteries in Kosovo and you may get an understanding what you thieving Albanians have done. Your entire history is fake.
pre 6 godina
@Genti
That was the funniest piece of nonsense I have read in a while, once again you Albanians make up stuff to suit your insecurity. Have a look at census data of Albanians in Kosovo in the 1800's just to prove a point. Next you will be saying 1389 didnt involve Serbs but it was you brave Albanians that stood up to the Turks.
May explain why your King Zog 1 had to whore himself around all over Europe to find a bride after quite a few monarchies including the Greeks, British and the Danes wouldn't have a bar of him.
pre 6 godina
(Peggy)
Some mis-guided Albanians did damage some of the churches, but they were mostly new ones built by Milloshevic, of no historic value. Albanians have protected the older Illyrian churches for centuries.
Most old churches in Kosovo were there before Serbs raided and invaded Kosovo. These facts are never mentioned on Serbian media, but Serbia had to OFFICIALLY state them when applying for UNESCO protection. To be admitted to UNESCO they had to state SCIENTIFIC evidence, not Serbian propaganda. The truth eventually came out!
Please go to UNESCO's website and read the first paragraph of the 4 medieval churches/monasteries that constitute the pride of "Serbian cultural heritage" in Kosovo. Here is a summary:
1) Gracanica Monastery - used to be a 6th century Christian three-naved basilica, part of the Eparchy of Ulpiana (in the Illyrian city of Ulpiana, in Illyrian/Albanian Ulk/Ujk means wolf).
2) Decani Monastery - supported by Urosh (a Serbian ruler) the chief architect and builder was an Albanian Franciscan monk from Kotor and he built it for the local Catholic Albanian population. All early Ottoman censuses demonstrate the local population that would have frequented the monastery was predominantly Catholic Albanian, as is clear by their non-Slavic names.
3) Patriarchate of Peja/Pec - built over what was Siperant, during the Roman Byzantine Empire
4) Our Lady of Ljevis in Prizren - used to be a Byzantine Church, called Metera Eleousa
pre 6 godina
Pick up a book or even dare I say it spend 10 minutes less on a Serbian website trolling but rather google serbian monasteries in Kosovo and you may get an understanding what you thieving Albanians have done. Your entire history is fake.
(Bacon and Eggs, 28 April 2018 05:56)
Dear Bacon and Eggs,
Let's make it more easier for you.
Which book to pick up? Name the author of that book who proved beyond any doubt that Serbs, with their own hands built churches and therefore they were there before anybody else.
How do you know that Serbs built those churches? How does a building structure tell who was there first?
Can we stretch your thinking a bit more and dig deeper underground and check the DNA of numerous ancient human bones and see which current ethnicity has the closest blood link with these people? Wouldn't that be more accurate science? How come no Serb ever dared to suggest this?
Your president Vučić, just few days ago said that Albanians are building motorways and other major infrastructure all over Serbia. Does this mean that there are no Serbs in Serbia to perform these huge undertakings and does this make all of Serbia to be Albanian land?
If 500 years from now somebody asks 'Who built these roads?', applying your logics, would it be fair to conclude that Albanians built them because there were no Serbs at all, otherwise, had Serbs been there - they would have built themselves those roads, hence, everything is Albania!?
pre 6 godina
there is no data to suggest Albanians were there first
(bacon and eggs, 27 April 2018 05:26)
Ok, and there is no data to suggest Serbs were there first, either. So, what's your point?!
pre 6 godina
As a foreigner, I came believing some goodness still exists in the former Yugoslavia but, after witnessing shit here the past 6yrs my opinion has changed 180 degrees. No words can describe my utter disappointment. All of these flee-bag republics should just loose their ego. There is zero reason to have one. Not one side is better than the other.
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