Serbian president makes first comment about Skripal case

Wonder how Serbia & Vucic would react if Serbia was Britain s place & position ?

There is evidence. It has been confirmed that it is the same chemical formula as developed in Russia.

There is a history of Russia doing this kind of thing.

Putin himself showed a cynical attitude that he is not averse.

Russia’s childish sneering seems more like a school bully who has been caught out than a respectable country that wants to be seen to uphold international law.

Russia has developed an antogonistic attitude to international relations - probably as a distraction from anti-democratic practices and a very feeble economy.

We know Vucic is sycophantic in his regard for Putin, but in this case he’d do better to keep quiet rather than leave himself in an embarassing position later on.

@Abe, you and I are not party to the evidence but I trust the officials and institutions who have investigated this case. So please don't say there is no evidence.

How naïve this man is?

Moreover, the righteous US wants to initiate a world war over 70 people. What about the millions they killed, how do you justify that?
(ivan, 13 April 2018 15:49)
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Don't worry Ivan, some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused. For some people, if a Kalashnikov was used in a murder, then it must be Russia because it was first made in Russia.

The US and their collaborators are the ones that most likely poisoned Russians in Salisbury, released chemical weapons in Syria and even murdered Oliver Ivanovic. We all know how much the US and their collaborators care for innocent children. Remember Madeline Albright, when asked about the half million Iraqi children that died as a consequence of the US invasion? Well, she said it was worth it. Here is a reminder, check -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Just goes to show how much they really care for innocent children.

@Zoran

You don't have a righteous branch to stand on because as soon as Russia does the same thing you accuse others of, you deny it with all types of false arguments. It shows that your concern is to defend the people you are friends with, just like every dictator does, whether fascist or communist.

Finally a decent position. Atomic, Biological and Chemical weapons should be banned. But blaming Russia without proof is not productive.

@Bob,

You do not seem to have your facts straight buddy! What about Iraq and the Sarajevo marketplace massacre to name two off the bat and there are more though. They were staged as a prelude to brainwash the American public and substantiate an upcoming invasion. Russia does not want to dominate the world whereas could you say the same for America? Any fool can see that there is no benefit whatsoever to poison civilians, unless you can come up with one? Moreover, the righteous US wants to initiate a world war over 70 people. What about the millions they killed, how do you justify that? This is all about oil? They want to move Saudi oil to Europe but Syria remains an obstacle. This is detrimental to Russia and it will never allow it.

@Ivan

Your comments are not very enlightening. But if they were true, they would implicate in the very thing you are accusing the US of doing: using their military to gain economic advantage.

But to bring you back to reality, what did the US gain in Afghanistan? Oil? If you think that, you need to open a geography book and think about that one again. The US intervened to free the people from the Taliban. The Taliban, guy. Did you forget? So many Serbs complain that they were in bondage to the Turks for centuries but those guys were nice compared to the Taliban. Yes, the group the United States freed the Afghan people from. And at the expense of normal citizens of the United States of America.

It shows that your concern is to defend the people you are friends with, just like every dictator does, whether fascist or communist.
(JS, 13 April 2018 16:39)
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I'm interested in defending the truth and doesn't seem much of that going around. It doesn't take much to see political agendas taking priority over facts.

For instance, Israeli soldiers killed dozens of protesting Palestinians a few days ago and the whole world spoke against it except the US. I know the US isn't really communist so according to your definition above, it must be fascist. Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US and many of their collaborators fit nicely into your definition above.

Don't worry Ivan, some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused.
Zoran,

Exactly that Zoran. Unfortunately ,the world is full of brainless warmongers who claim they have a "moral imperative" to bomb Syria over unsubstantiated, unproven claims that Syria used chemical weapons without explaining why would the state of Syria carry out such an action when the rebels in Ghouta have already left the place and since the Trump administration has already declared that the USA is no longer committed to a regime change in Syria and announced they were pulling out of the area .See what the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh had to say about Trump and chemical weapons
In Syria.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Seymour-Hersh-Says-Trump-Knew-Syria-Didnt-Use-Chemical-Weapons--20170627-0033.html

This is the logical basis of many of the posters here:

I'm a Serb => Russia innocent.

Russia innocent => blame anything and anyone else.

Here's another one:

Bush was an idiot => Everyone in the West is an idiot.

This is the sort of 'high grade' logic (sic) I read on this site most days.

(The other days are the days when I don't browse the site.)

Having waited until now he should have kept his mouth shut. Serbs are their own worst enemies.

But my conclusion, with all negative about Putin and FSB I know, the most likely perpetrator was SIS/MI6.
(Ataman, 13 April 2018 21:19)
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Hi Ataman, yes, please send an email with your thoughts but I doubt it was MI6 as they are involved with activities outside of the UK, not inside. I don't think the UK was involved in the actual poisoning but it involved their collaborators. It was an obvious setup.

The latest is that a Swiss laboratory has apparently stated the type of Novichok used was something that NATO/US/UK have in their possession but not Russia.

Vucic better stick with a USA and EU. Did you see what happened in Syria it got Bomb again by USA and EU. Just because you have Russian Military base in Serbia doesn’t mean Serbia don’t get Bomb again. And don’t think going to War with Kosovo because this time USA will wipe out Serbia from the world and Map.

@ Bob,

Last time I looked I don't recall the Russians wanting to dominate the world, nor imposing their will on smaller countries. Once again, could you say the same about the mighty US of A? And please, do not give me the bullshit about the US freeing people from suppression and dispensing freedom and democracy. The US is a terrorist organization influenced by Israel to continuously create war in order to further their agenda to dominate the world and its resources.

@ Zoran

"...some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused. For some people, if a Kalashnikov was used in a murder, then it must be Russia because it was first made in Russia.

The US and their collaborators are the ones that most likely poisoned Russians in Salisbury, released chemical weapons in Syria and even murdered Oliver Ivanovic."

Oh, whoops, did you just do what you accused the "US and their collaborators" of doing one paragraph earlier (accusing without evidence)?

And you actually think we will believe you when you write that you care about facts?

Serbian president apparently made a big mistake, showing like that on whose side he is. Russia did not answer to yesterday attacks, and will do nothing about that. Moreover the West defends its allies, but Russia only speaks and do nothing.

The same minerals have been eyed recently from China JS and calm and quiet China is making its way to bases and contracts in Afganistan, while Trump is pushing american businesses http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/370803-us-quest-for-afghan-minerals-risks-burning-everyone-involvedhttp://www.dw.com/en/did-afghan-minerals-change-trumps-mind-about-afghanistan/a-40281449In the meantime Afghanistan's major natural resource - the opium production has been on constant rise since US occupation in 2001. Its gains are mostly used to finance Cia's covert operations. But you're right most of US actions dont make any sense since you cant exploit oil and resources in a country torn by war between rival groups. So your argument confirms my theory, the US is in the middle east mainly to break the balls to both china and russia.

@ Ivan

"Last time I looked I don't recall the Russians wanting to dominate the world, nor imposing their will on smaller countries."

Maybe you need to look a little harder. Russian authorities have attacked and politically undermined nearly every country along its border. You seem to be blinded by jealousy and bitterness.

The United States is a world power, a kindgom. There are no righteous earthly kingdoms. Kingdoms rise and fall. Only one kingdom will endure forever; and that is a righteous kingdom.

Now debil do you want me to enlighten you on russia as well? Again and again and again Ussr was involved in the afganistan nightmare because the then afgani government asked them to intervene against the first cells of mujahedins. Of course as a partly muslim country the ussr had a vital interest to stop the spread of the wahabi ideology and fondamentalism at its roots and time was critical. It was also winning but the price to pay was too high and the damage was already done. The rise of fondamentalism in middle east and caucas republics was one of the last stages that allowed the ussr to crumble the way it crumbled. See also last interview of Saudi prince Bin Salman https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803291063010004-saudi-wahhabism-west-cold-war/

Finally a decent position. Atomic, Biological and Chemical weapons should be banned. But blaming Russia without proof is not productive.
(Abe, 13 April 2018 15:10)

@ well said!
However, it would be interesting to see what position Srbija (Vucic) would take if Russia was proven guilty...He would have my solid respect if he would have a firm position accordingly on Russia if that was the case ...until then, good position!

@Abe, you and I are not party to the evidence but I trust the officials and institutions who have investigated this case. So please don't say there is no evidence.
(twindales, 13 April 2018 15:22)

@ Twindaleaj - Kinda like the "weapons of mass destruction" false flag...How about the "massacre at Racak" false flag....
You're a naïve person...people who think like you are scary...just ask the hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis murdered because of "evidence" you speak of...

@ JS Again ignorance is no excuse in the internet era. In the 80' Uk+Us supported financially and trained on the ground the Mujahideen who later morphed into Al Qaeda and Taliban. Just google photograph of Zbigniew Brzezinski with Osama Bin Laden in 1981. Headline from the Independent 4 december 1993 and picture of Osama "Antisoviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace". These info can be easily found on internet. The Us supported and trained Osama during the soviets intervention in Afganistan (invited by the legitimate afganistan government by the way) Reason: incite muslims everywhere against the Ussr and of course exploit that region natural resources. This is basic info very elementary info. After 17 years of Us occupation Afganistan returned to the shithole country it used to be before the soviets influence. See some pictures of modern afgani girls in the '70s for Allah's sake and judge by yourself what Uk+Us have done to the only laik states of the Middle East.

But blaming Russia without proof is not productive.
(Abe, 13 April 2018 15:10)

Forget this case, please. Julia can talk now, even her father.
Both asking the publicity to shut the fck up and leave them alone.

BTW: these wonderful, merciful, humanitarian angelic Brits refused Skripalj's niece visa to visit him in the hospital.

WTF, you ask. "MI6" is my answer, but not (just) because of that. The entire picture and the entire history points to them.

@ skenderbeu

"In the 80' Uk+Us supported financially and trained on the ground the Mujahideen who later morphed into Al Qaeda and Taliban."

This is well known. But you don't seem to notice one of the most important facts here: the USSR was attacking a legitimate government and invading an independent country. So much for the supposed righteousness of the Russian Empire.

Now this is an interesting development.

Skripals were poisoned using toxin possessed by UK and US -> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/skripals-skripal-russia-nerve-agent-bz-novichok-poison-salisbury-attack-latest-update-a8304841.html

Swiss lab analysis shows nerve agent designed in West -> https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/russia-swiss-lab-analysis-shows-nerve-agent-designed-in-west

Skripals may have been poisoned by substance Russia never made -> https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-skripal-lavrov/russias-lavrov-says-skripals-may-have-been-poisoned-by-substance-russia-never-made-idUKKBN1HL17G

I wonder what the Swiss lab has to say about that?

Oh, whoops, did you just do what you accused the "US and their collaborators" of doing one paragraph earlier (accusing without evidence)?
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:58)
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Of course not, I do not have the means to cause an international incident or to send hundreds of missiles into a country based on no evidence at all and to do so even before an investigation commences.

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And you actually think we will believe you when you write that you care about facts?
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:58)
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I don't post here to make people believe me, I post to express my opinion and for others to use their own intellect to come to their own conclusions. I do like a healthy debate but unfortunately, you can't argue with stupidity.

You have the right to criticize the US invasion of Iraq but the assessment needs to be factual and balanced.
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:44)

@ js -let’s start with madwoman Albright, justifying over 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children over years of sanctions...shall we go on or is half million enough for you?
As far as Saddam, he is no worse than western presidents who think it’s ok to disintegrate entire villages in the name of “ national interests”...
Are western lives valued more than others? Maybe in your world...?

@ Watcher

"Kinda like the "weapons of mass destruction" false flag...."

Saddam's killing of thousands of his own citizens, oppression of the Kurds in the north, and chemical and biological testing on his own citizens was sufficient reason to punish him. But I don't understand why a full-scale invasion of the country was necessary to accomplish that.

"You're a naïve person...people who think like you are scary...just ask the hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis murdered because of "evidence" you speak of..."

You are generally reasonable in your assessments. However, you refer to the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. During the entire military operation between 3200 and 7300 civilians died. Where do you come up with hundreds of thousands? And why would you call those murders?

You have the right to criticize the US invasion of Iraq but the assessment needs to be factual and balanced.

Globalists have been itching for world war and tried many ways to start it. Is it just me or is it obvious to all that if Russia wanted these two dead they would be? This particular nerve agent doesn't let anyone live. Unprotected people came to aid and they are alive too.
Now a chemical attack in Syria and all they had to do was wash off the chemical.
There had to be a reason to attack Assad and they are invented one.
Again, we see children having water poured on their heads. If this is all it takes to survive a chemical attack then it's not really bad. It's just a minor irritation.

Problem with this circus is that there are no good acts and the west seem to be clowns without humour. Blind Freddy can see what is going on. Again, US resorts to air strikes without SC approval.

They will kill us all if need be in order to stay in power.

And don’t think going to War with Kosovo because this time USA will wipe out Serbia from the world and Map.
(Bahri, 14 April 2018 19:34)
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You're so funny. Do you realize how stupid you look? Sticking your tongue out to someone bigger while hiding behind someone else is so school yard. On whose authority do you have that? Did your bully tell you that you can keep doing this?

You can also find a video that explains all and more, afgani soldier proud muslim soldier fighting in Donbass.

Video youtu.be/Xc2KeSkl5H0

I did promise Zoran to write an essay about Skripalj privately, apologies to him I did not do that, bugs ate me.

I do not want to put any argument or reasoning here simply because.

But my conclusion, with all negative about Putin and FSB I know, the most likely perpetrator was SIS/MI6.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service

@ skenderbeu

"The Us supported and trained Osama during the soviets intervention in Afganistan (invited by the legitimate afganistan government by the way) Reason: incite muslims everywhere against the Ussr and of course exploit that region natural resources.

Are you joking, or what? Which natural resources? Please enlighten us.

I agree that the outcome in Afghanistan is pitiful but only so much can be done with warlords and radical Islamists who impose Sharia law but are funded by drug money.

Then are you willing to strongly criticize Saddam Hussein for his brutality?
(JS, 16 April 2018 11:47)
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I'm not limited to criticising just one individual for brutality, I would criticise anyone for it, be it Saddam Hussein, Saudi Arabia, Israel and first and foremost, the US and their collaborators. I'm sorry to say but in the current geopolitical climate, it is the US and their collaborators who are causing the most division, death and destruction the world has seen since WWII.

Then criticize him. Let's hear it. Or is your Russoplihia keeping you from doing it?
(JS, 16 April 2018 15:19)
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I know very little about it but after doing some digging, of course I condemn him and his collaborators, being the US, UK and France. What does this have to do with Russia?

CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran -> http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran
Rumsfeld 'helped Iraq get chemical weapons' -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
Why Britain backed down on banning Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons -> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-britain-backed-down-on-banning-saddam-husseins-chemical-weapons-during-iran-war-10361917.html
Kurds who suffered Saddam Hussein chemical weapons attack accuse French suppliers -> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/kurds-who-suffered-saddam-hussein-chemical-weapons-attack-accuse-french-suppliers-8652857.html

And that's just scratching the surface but I couldn't find anything linking Russia to Iraq's chemical weapons, only the US, UK and France.

JS and icj, like I said, I do like a good debate but I can't argue with stupidity.

You're really cute. I guess MUP R SRBIJE made a mistake when they issued my Serbian passport.

My comments are mostly the result of being ashamed of radical Serb nationalists. I never comment on equally crazy Albanian posts (and there are many of them!) because I cannot be ashamed of foreigners.
(JS, 16 April 2018 20:42)

JS, we're starting off on the wrong foot, damn it... Oh, by the way, just because you received a Serbian Passport, doesn't necessarily mean that you're Serbian. For all I know, JS can stand for Johannas Schweinhunden, right! I guess I have one, to start, simple question for you - "how does someone, or any portion of an entire community, became radicalized"? Or, "what makes someone more aware of their pride for they country and people"? Now, before you answer, remember that you've included the Serbs and Albanians in the same category - so walk gingerly with your answer my friend. I do, however, appreciate you trying to tread through a rough forum.

Calling me an Albanian. Trying to make me fit into your slanted view of the world. How cute, young fella.
(JS, 16 April 2018 15:17)

JS, if I'm calling you Albanian, maybe there's a reason - you "might" be leaning more in one direction. Thanks for the "young fella" remark, unfortunately not too accurate....

Actually I think the problem starts much earlier than that. There is only one kingdom that matters, only one reign that matters. All else is idolatry. We can appreciate our country, its heritage and traditions. But if we give allegiance to it, we neglect the one king and ruler of the universe. Idolatry, I believe, distorts all earthly kingdoms and peoples.
(JS, 17 April 2018 11:08)

JS, indeed a complex question, and you can probably write a book. You can't mistake pride and honor for nationalism. The Serbs have a great history and have always been on the side of righteousness and freedom. You can even say, defenders of Europe and Christ from the onslaught of Islam for centuries. The simple answer is that nationalism grows when you have been wronged, in particular, by your historical allies and for geopolitical reasons. Again, this is just a small part of the answer... you can go on, and on.

@ skenderbeu

"The same minerals have been eyed recently from China"

Which minerals? And why didn't the US mine those during the many years they were engaged there?

"Afghanistan's major natural resource - the opium production has been on constant rise since US occupation in 2001. Its gains are mostly used to finance Cia's covert operations."

Do you have evidence to support this claim?

"But you're right most of US actions dont make any sense since you cant exploit oil and resources in a country torn by war between rival groups. So your argument confirms my theory, the US is in the middle east mainly to break the balls to both china and russia."

Basically you decided in advance that America is in the wrong. No matter the circumstances, they are always plotting evil. Bob's assessment applies very well to your post.

@ skenderbeu

"Again and again and again Ussr was involved in the afganistan nightmare because the then afgani government asked them to intervene against the first cells of mujahedins."

Which government? The Soviet-backed communist party that committed a coup?

@ JS I debunked your false narrative on any single point. On any single point. Do not associate yourself with a lazy incompetent chicken whose greatest assessment so far has been how to exploit good americans solders need for new cars.. Read everybody, trust none but your own ability to judge on events.

Be honest and admit that you are one-sided.
(JS, 15 April 2018 23:25)
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Of course I'm one-sided. I'm on the side of truth, against the warmongers and those evil forces dividing people.

Regarding the half million Iraqi children, the question was put to Mad-woman Albright and she didn't dispute the figure, she simply stated the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it. Regardless of whether that number of deaths is accurate or not, it just goes to show how the US administration would sacrifice so many civilians and children for their agenda. Check -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Now that is pure evil.

I don't see your point. No matter what happens, you will say that Russia is right and good, and America is evil. Facts don't seem relevant to your conclusions.
(JS, 15 April 2018 20:54

JS, "The Keyboard Warrior", you're either very young, naive or ignorant. If you don't understand that the US controls the entire Western Media, with their partners, you're sadly mistaking. You will see, and hear, what they want you to believe, so they can pursue their agenda under the guise of saving the world - in essence, they're actually doing the opposite in most cases. I understand that you, as an Albanian, "have to" try and portray the US as do-gooders, but don't be hypocritical when we take the Russian side, and actually require real proof. Take your blinders off and try to read between the lines occasionally.

@CHiTown

Calling me an Albanian. Trying to make me fit into your slanted view of the world. How cute, young fella.

@CHiTown

Calling me an Albanian. Trying to make me fit into your slanted view of the world. How cute, young fella.
(JS, 16 April 2018 15:17)

Sorry little buddy, maybe "forum intruder with nothing better to do" is better. Why are you offended by being called Albanian??? You seem to take they're side in every one of your post, so there's obviously something there - maybe a wife, girlfriend.... boyfriend?!?!? Or, has all this Western mass media/propaganda "made up news stuff" influenced and skewed your thoughts and views - you know, that's what they're trying to do, right?!?!? I think they've succeeded in you case Spanky....

@ CHiTown

You're really cute. I guess MUP R SRBIJE made a mistake when they issued my Serbian passport.

My comments are mostly the result of being ashamed of radical Serb nationalists. I never comment on equally crazy Albanian posts (and there are many of them!) because I cannot be ashamed of foreigners.

@ Zoran

Sorry to break the tough news but Tito died.

it is the US and their collaborators who are causing the most division, death and destruction the world has seen since WWII.
(Zoran, 16 April 2018 12:33)

So, according to you, is it the US that told Assad to gas his own people?! Or, is it the US that told Russia to annex territory from another country?!

@ Zoran

"Don't worry Ivan, some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused. For some people, if a Kalashnikov was used in a murder, then it must be Russia because it was first made in Russia."

You accused some people of being blind because they made accusations without solid evidence. But then that's exactly what you did...

"The US and their collaborators are the ones that most likely poisoned Russians in Salisbury, released chemical weapons in Syria and even murdered Oliver Ivanovic."

I don't see your point. No matter what happens, you will say that Russia is right and good, and America is evil. Facts don't seem relevant to your conclusions.

This is the sort of 'high grade' logic (sic) I read on this site most days.

(The other days are the days when I don't browse the site.)
(Bob, 13 April 2018 22:55
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Then do yourself a favour and stay away from this site.

@ Watcher

I'm not an expert on the subject but it looks as though the 500,000 figure was the result of Saddam distorting statistics, in a bid to get the sanctions lifted by making it appear that a lot of children were dying because of the sanctions. This figure seems to have been proven false after Saddam was removed from power and independent investigations were made. The conclusion in academic journals is that infant mortality was nearly the same after the sanctions as before them. And it's really only common sense anyways. How would sanctions cause the death of 500,000 people in a modern country? That isn't reasonable.

So, we are back to zero. So, how do you get to hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis killed by the Americans?

@ Zoran

Then criticize him. Let's hear it. Or is your Russoplihia keeping you from doing it?

@ Watcher

"let’s start with madwoman Albright, justifying over 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children over years of sanctions...shall we go on or is half million enough for you?"

Which organization makes this claim? Never heard it before. If it is true, then it is also the case that Saddam would rather starve his own children than humble himself. And this is the man whom Peggy recently cited as proof that the US seems regime change, with the assumption that we should pity Saddam and consider America the "bad boy." Some people have such warped minds. By the way, Watcher, it may be that Albright deserves to be called a madwoman. But if that figure is true, you should call Saddam much worse.

"As far as Saddam, he is no worse than western presidents who think it’s ok to disintegrate entire villages in the name of “ national interests”..."

Which villages did the US disintegrate in the name of "national interests"?

@ Zoran

"Oh, whoops, did you just do what you accused the "US and their collaborators" of doing one paragraph earlier (accusing without evidence)?
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:58)
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Of course not, I do not have the means to cause an international incident or to send hundreds of missiles into a country based on no evidence at all and to do so even before an investigation commences."

Nice try. But it won't work to change the subject. Your point was that the Americans accused without evidence. And yet you are willing to do the same thing. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple. Be honest and admit that you are one-sided.

@ Zoran

"Of course I'm one-sided. I'm on the side of truth, against the warmongers and those evil forces dividing people."

Then are you willing to strongly criticize Saddam Hussein for his brutality?

"Regarding the half million Iraqi children, the question was put to Mad-woman Albright and she didn't dispute the figure, she simply stated the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it."

She didn't say "the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it." She said that, according to their assessment (which didn't include the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children and never happened), the intervention was worth it.

@ ChiTown

"I guess I have one, to start, simple question for you - "how does someone, or any portion of an entire community, became radicalized"? Or, "what makes someone more aware of their pride for they country and people"?"

That's a great question. I'm not sure that I have a good answer. The are many possible causes. Perhaps I would answer, unfettered enthusiasm for our nation or ethnic group. People are energized during times of conflict, as "us" and "them" are more sharply defined and "the other" is demonized. That demonization means that "our people" are righteous, and since all people and governments are flawed then we are required to distort the facts to fit the deeply held love for country or ethnic group.

Actually I think the problem starts much earlier than that. There is only one kingdom that matters, only one reign that matters. All else is idolatry. We can appreciate our country, its heritage and traditions. But if we give allegiance to it, we neglect the one king and ruler of the universe. Idolatry, I believe, distorts all earthly kingdoms and peoples.

Wonder how Serbia & Vucic would react if Serbia was Britain s place & position ?

Moreover, the righteous US wants to initiate a world war over 70 people. What about the millions they killed, how do you justify that?
(ivan, 13 April 2018 15:49)
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Don't worry Ivan, some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused. For some people, if a Kalashnikov was used in a murder, then it must be Russia because it was first made in Russia.

The US and their collaborators are the ones that most likely poisoned Russians in Salisbury, released chemical weapons in Syria and even murdered Oliver Ivanovic. We all know how much the US and their collaborators care for innocent children. Remember Madeline Albright, when asked about the half million Iraqi children that died as a consequence of the US invasion? Well, she said it was worth it. Here is a reminder, check -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Just goes to show how much they really care for innocent children.

There is evidence. It has been confirmed that it is the same chemical formula as developed in Russia.

There is a history of Russia doing this kind of thing.

Putin himself showed a cynical attitude that he is not averse.

Russia’s childish sneering seems more like a school bully who has been caught out than a respectable country that wants to be seen to uphold international law.

Russia has developed an antogonistic attitude to international relations - probably as a distraction from anti-democratic practices and a very feeble economy.

We know Vucic is sycophantic in his regard for Putin, but in this case he’d do better to keep quiet rather than leave himself in an embarassing position later on.

@Bob,

You do not seem to have your facts straight buddy! What about Iraq and the Sarajevo marketplace massacre to name two off the bat and there are more though. They were staged as a prelude to brainwash the American public and substantiate an upcoming invasion. Russia does not want to dominate the world whereas could you say the same for America? Any fool can see that there is no benefit whatsoever to poison civilians, unless you can come up with one? Moreover, the righteous US wants to initiate a world war over 70 people. What about the millions they killed, how do you justify that? This is all about oil? They want to move Saudi oil to Europe but Syria remains an obstacle. This is detrimental to Russia and it will never allow it.

Vucic better stick with a USA and EU. Did you see what happened in Syria it got Bomb again by USA and EU. Just because you have Russian Military base in Serbia doesn’t mean Serbia don’t get Bomb again. And don’t think going to War with Kosovo because this time USA will wipe out Serbia from the world and Map.

Finally a decent position. Atomic, Biological and Chemical weapons should be banned. But blaming Russia without proof is not productive.

How naïve this man is?

@Zoran

You don't have a righteous branch to stand on because as soon as Russia does the same thing you accuse others of, you deny it with all types of false arguments. It shows that your concern is to defend the people you are friends with, just like every dictator does, whether fascist or communist.

But blaming Russia without proof is not productive.
(Abe, 13 April 2018 15:10)

Forget this case, please. Julia can talk now, even her father.
Both asking the publicity to shut the fck up and leave them alone.

BTW: these wonderful, merciful, humanitarian angelic Brits refused Skripalj's niece visa to visit him in the hospital.

WTF, you ask. "MI6" is my answer, but not (just) because of that. The entire picture and the entire history points to them.

Don't worry Ivan, some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused.
Zoran,

Exactly that Zoran. Unfortunately ,the world is full of brainless warmongers who claim they have a "moral imperative" to bomb Syria over unsubstantiated, unproven claims that Syria used chemical weapons without explaining why would the state of Syria carry out such an action when the rebels in Ghouta have already left the place and since the Trump administration has already declared that the USA is no longer committed to a regime change in Syria and announced they were pulling out of the area .See what the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh had to say about Trump and chemical weapons
In Syria.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Seymour-Hersh-Says-Trump-Knew-Syria-Didnt-Use-Chemical-Weapons--20170627-0033.html

@Ivan

Your comments are not very enlightening. But if they were true, they would implicate in the very thing you are accusing the US of doing: using their military to gain economic advantage.

But to bring you back to reality, what did the US gain in Afghanistan? Oil? If you think that, you need to open a geography book and think about that one again. The US intervened to free the people from the Taliban. The Taliban, guy. Did you forget? So many Serbs complain that they were in bondage to the Turks for centuries but those guys were nice compared to the Taliban. Yes, the group the United States freed the Afghan people from. And at the expense of normal citizens of the United States of America.

@ JS Again ignorance is no excuse in the internet era. In the 80' Uk+Us supported financially and trained on the ground the Mujahideen who later morphed into Al Qaeda and Taliban. Just google photograph of Zbigniew Brzezinski with Osama Bin Laden in 1981. Headline from the Independent 4 december 1993 and picture of Osama "Antisoviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace". These info can be easily found on internet. The Us supported and trained Osama during the soviets intervention in Afganistan (invited by the legitimate afganistan government by the way) Reason: incite muslims everywhere against the Ussr and of course exploit that region natural resources. This is basic info very elementary info. After 17 years of Us occupation Afganistan returned to the shithole country it used to be before the soviets influence. See some pictures of modern afgani girls in the '70s for Allah's sake and judge by yourself what Uk+Us have done to the only laik states of the Middle East.

Serbian president apparently made a big mistake, showing like that on whose side he is. Russia did not answer to yesterday attacks, and will do nothing about that. Moreover the West defends its allies, but Russia only speaks and do nothing.

@Abe, you and I are not party to the evidence but I trust the officials and institutions who have investigated this case. So please don't say there is no evidence.

I did promise Zoran to write an essay about Skripalj privately, apologies to him I did not do that, bugs ate me.

I do not want to put any argument or reasoning here simply because.

But my conclusion, with all negative about Putin and FSB I know, the most likely perpetrator was SIS/MI6.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service

Now debil do you want me to enlighten you on russia as well? Again and again and again Ussr was involved in the afganistan nightmare because the then afgani government asked them to intervene against the first cells of mujahedins. Of course as a partly muslim country the ussr had a vital interest to stop the spread of the wahabi ideology and fondamentalism at its roots and time was critical. It was also winning but the price to pay was too high and the damage was already done. The rise of fondamentalism in middle east and caucas republics was one of the last stages that allowed the ussr to crumble the way it crumbled. See also last interview of Saudi prince Bin Salman https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803291063010004-saudi-wahhabism-west-cold-war/

@ Bob,

Last time I looked I don't recall the Russians wanting to dominate the world, nor imposing their will on smaller countries. Once again, could you say the same about the mighty US of A? And please, do not give me the bullshit about the US freeing people from suppression and dispensing freedom and democracy. The US is a terrorist organization influenced by Israel to continuously create war in order to further their agenda to dominate the world and its resources.

Finally a decent position. Atomic, Biological and Chemical weapons should be banned. But blaming Russia without proof is not productive.
(Abe, 13 April 2018 15:10)

@ well said!
However, it would be interesting to see what position Srbija (Vucic) would take if Russia was proven guilty...He would have my solid respect if he would have a firm position accordingly on Russia if that was the case ...until then, good position!

It shows that your concern is to defend the people you are friends with, just like every dictator does, whether fascist or communist.
(JS, 13 April 2018 16:39)
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I'm interested in defending the truth and doesn't seem much of that going around. It doesn't take much to see political agendas taking priority over facts.

For instance, Israeli soldiers killed dozens of protesting Palestinians a few days ago and the whole world spoke against it except the US. I know the US isn't really communist so according to your definition above, it must be fascist. Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US and many of their collaborators fit nicely into your definition above.

You can also find a video that explains all and more, afgani soldier proud muslim soldier fighting in Donbass.

@ skenderbeu

"The Us supported and trained Osama during the soviets intervention in Afganistan (invited by the legitimate afganistan government by the way) Reason: incite muslims everywhere against the Ussr and of course exploit that region natural resources.

Are you joking, or what? Which natural resources? Please enlighten us.

I agree that the outcome in Afghanistan is pitiful but only so much can be done with warlords and radical Islamists who impose Sharia law but are funded by drug money.

But my conclusion, with all negative about Putin and FSB I know, the most likely perpetrator was SIS/MI6.
(Ataman, 13 April 2018 21:19)
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Hi Ataman, yes, please send an email with your thoughts but I doubt it was MI6 as they are involved with activities outside of the UK, not inside. I don't think the UK was involved in the actual poisoning but it involved their collaborators. It was an obvious setup.

The latest is that a Swiss laboratory has apparently stated the type of Novichok used was something that NATO/US/UK have in their possession but not Russia.

@Abe, you and I are not party to the evidence but I trust the officials and institutions who have investigated this case. So please don't say there is no evidence.
(twindales, 13 April 2018 15:22)

@ Twindaleaj - Kinda like the "weapons of mass destruction" false flag...How about the "massacre at Racak" false flag....
You're a naïve person...people who think like you are scary...just ask the hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis murdered because of "evidence" you speak of...

@ Zoran

"...some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused. For some people, if a Kalashnikov was used in a murder, then it must be Russia because it was first made in Russia.

The US and their collaborators are the ones that most likely poisoned Russians in Salisbury, released chemical weapons in Syria and even murdered Oliver Ivanovic."

Oh, whoops, did you just do what you accused the "US and their collaborators" of doing one paragraph earlier (accusing without evidence)?

And you actually think we will believe you when you write that you care about facts?

@ skenderbeu

"In the 80' Uk+Us supported financially and trained on the ground the Mujahideen who later morphed into Al Qaeda and Taliban."

This is well known. But you don't seem to notice one of the most important facts here: the USSR was attacking a legitimate government and invading an independent country. So much for the supposed righteousness of the Russian Empire.

The same minerals have been eyed recently from China JS and calm and quiet China is making its way to bases and contracts in Afganistan, while Trump is pushing american businesses http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/370803-us-quest-for-afghan-minerals-risks-burning-everyone-involvedhttp://www.dw.com/en/did-afghan-minerals-change-trumps-mind-about-afghanistan/a-40281449In the meantime Afghanistan's major natural resource - the opium production has been on constant rise since US occupation in 2001. Its gains are mostly used to finance Cia's covert operations. But you're right most of US actions dont make any sense since you cant exploit oil and resources in a country torn by war between rival groups. So your argument confirms my theory, the US is in the middle east mainly to break the balls to both china and russia.

Video youtu.be/Xc2KeSkl5H0

This is the logical basis of many of the posters here:

I'm a Serb => Russia innocent.

Russia innocent => blame anything and anyone else.

Here's another one:

Bush was an idiot => Everyone in the West is an idiot.

This is the sort of 'high grade' logic (sic) I read on this site most days.

(The other days are the days when I don't browse the site.)

Having waited until now he should have kept his mouth shut. Serbs are their own worst enemies.

@ Ivan

"Last time I looked I don't recall the Russians wanting to dominate the world, nor imposing their will on smaller countries."

Maybe you need to look a little harder. Russian authorities have attacked and politically undermined nearly every country along its border. You seem to be blinded by jealousy and bitterness.

The United States is a world power, a kindgom. There are no righteous earthly kingdoms. Kingdoms rise and fall. Only one kingdom will endure forever; and that is a righteous kingdom.

@ Watcher

"Kinda like the "weapons of mass destruction" false flag...."

Saddam's killing of thousands of his own citizens, oppression of the Kurds in the north, and chemical and biological testing on his own citizens was sufficient reason to punish him. But I don't understand why a full-scale invasion of the country was necessary to accomplish that.

"You're a naïve person...people who think like you are scary...just ask the hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis murdered because of "evidence" you speak of..."

You are generally reasonable in your assessments. However, you refer to the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. During the entire military operation between 3200 and 7300 civilians died. Where do you come up with hundreds of thousands? And why would you call those murders?

You have the right to criticize the US invasion of Iraq but the assessment needs to be factual and balanced.

@ skenderbeu

"Again and again and again Ussr was involved in the afganistan nightmare because the then afgani government asked them to intervene against the first cells of mujahedins."

Which government? The Soviet-backed communist party that committed a coup?

You have the right to criticize the US invasion of Iraq but the assessment needs to be factual and balanced.
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:44)

@ js -let’s start with madwoman Albright, justifying over 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children over years of sanctions...shall we go on or is half million enough for you?
As far as Saddam, he is no worse than western presidents who think it’s ok to disintegrate entire villages in the name of “ national interests”...
Are western lives valued more than others? Maybe in your world...?

it is the US and their collaborators who are causing the most division, death and destruction the world has seen since WWII.
(Zoran, 16 April 2018 12:33)

So, according to you, is it the US that told Assad to gas his own people?! Or, is it the US that told Russia to annex territory from another country?!

@ skenderbeu

"The same minerals have been eyed recently from China"

Which minerals? And why didn't the US mine those during the many years they were engaged there?

"Afghanistan's major natural resource - the opium production has been on constant rise since US occupation in 2001. Its gains are mostly used to finance Cia's covert operations."

Do you have evidence to support this claim?

"But you're right most of US actions dont make any sense since you cant exploit oil and resources in a country torn by war between rival groups. So your argument confirms my theory, the US is in the middle east mainly to break the balls to both china and russia."

Basically you decided in advance that America is in the wrong. No matter the circumstances, they are always plotting evil. Bob's assessment applies very well to your post.

Now this is an interesting development.

Skripals were poisoned using toxin possessed by UK and US -> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/skripals-skripal-russia-nerve-agent-bz-novichok-poison-salisbury-attack-latest-update-a8304841.html

Swiss lab analysis shows nerve agent designed in West -> https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/russia-swiss-lab-analysis-shows-nerve-agent-designed-in-west

Skripals may have been poisoned by substance Russia never made -> https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-skripal-lavrov/russias-lavrov-says-skripals-may-have-been-poisoned-by-substance-russia-never-made-idUKKBN1HL17G

I wonder what the Swiss lab has to say about that?

@ Zoran

"Don't worry Ivan, some people are just plain blind. There is no evidence Russia or Syria did anything of what they are accused. For some people, if a Kalashnikov was used in a murder, then it must be Russia because it was first made in Russia."

You accused some people of being blind because they made accusations without solid evidence. But then that's exactly what you did...

"The US and their collaborators are the ones that most likely poisoned Russians in Salisbury, released chemical weapons in Syria and even murdered Oliver Ivanovic."

I don't see your point. No matter what happens, you will say that Russia is right and good, and America is evil. Facts don't seem relevant to your conclusions.

Oh, whoops, did you just do what you accused the "US and their collaborators" of doing one paragraph earlier (accusing without evidence)?
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:58)
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Of course not, I do not have the means to cause an international incident or to send hundreds of missiles into a country based on no evidence at all and to do so even before an investigation commences.

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And you actually think we will believe you when you write that you care about facts?
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:58)
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I don't post here to make people believe me, I post to express my opinion and for others to use their own intellect to come to their own conclusions. I do like a healthy debate but unfortunately, you can't argue with stupidity.

@ JS I debunked your false narrative on any single point. On any single point. Do not associate yourself with a lazy incompetent chicken whose greatest assessment so far has been how to exploit good americans solders need for new cars.. Read everybody, trust none but your own ability to judge on events.

@ Zoran

"Oh, whoops, did you just do what you accused the "US and their collaborators" of doing one paragraph earlier (accusing without evidence)?
(JS, 14 April 2018 06:58)
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Of course not, I do not have the means to cause an international incident or to send hundreds of missiles into a country based on no evidence at all and to do so even before an investigation commences."

Nice try. But it won't work to change the subject. Your point was that the Americans accused without evidence. And yet you are willing to do the same thing. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple. Be honest and admit that you are one-sided.

And don’t think going to War with Kosovo because this time USA will wipe out Serbia from the world and Map.
(Bahri, 14 April 2018 19:34)
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You're so funny. Do you realize how stupid you look? Sticking your tongue out to someone bigger while hiding behind someone else is so school yard. On whose authority do you have that? Did your bully tell you that you can keep doing this?

This is the sort of 'high grade' logic (sic) I read on this site most days.

(The other days are the days when I don't browse the site.)
(Bob, 13 April 2018 22:55
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Then do yourself a favour and stay away from this site.

@ Watcher

I'm not an expert on the subject but it looks as though the 500,000 figure was the result of Saddam distorting statistics, in a bid to get the sanctions lifted by making it appear that a lot of children were dying because of the sanctions. This figure seems to have been proven false after Saddam was removed from power and independent investigations were made. The conclusion in academic journals is that infant mortality was nearly the same after the sanctions as before them. And it's really only common sense anyways. How would sanctions cause the death of 500,000 people in a modern country? That isn't reasonable.

So, we are back to zero. So, how do you get to hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis killed by the Americans?

@ Zoran

"Of course I'm one-sided. I'm on the side of truth, against the warmongers and those evil forces dividing people."

Then are you willing to strongly criticize Saddam Hussein for his brutality?

"Regarding the half million Iraqi children, the question was put to Mad-woman Albright and she didn't dispute the figure, she simply stated the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it."

She didn't say "the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it." She said that, according to their assessment (which didn't include the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children and never happened), the intervention was worth it.

I don't see your point. No matter what happens, you will say that Russia is right and good, and America is evil. Facts don't seem relevant to your conclusions.
(JS, 15 April 2018 20:54

JS, "The Keyboard Warrior", you're either very young, naive or ignorant. If you don't understand that the US controls the entire Western Media, with their partners, you're sadly mistaking. You will see, and hear, what they want you to believe, so they can pursue their agenda under the guise of saving the world - in essence, they're actually doing the opposite in most cases. I understand that you, as an Albanian, "have to" try and portray the US as do-gooders, but don't be hypocritical when we take the Russian side, and actually require real proof. Take your blinders off and try to read between the lines occasionally.

@CHiTown

Calling me an Albanian. Trying to make me fit into your slanted view of the world. How cute, young fella.

@ Zoran

Then criticize him. Let's hear it. Or is your Russoplihia keeping you from doing it?

@CHiTown

Calling me an Albanian. Trying to make me fit into your slanted view of the world. How cute, young fella.
(JS, 16 April 2018 15:17)

Sorry little buddy, maybe "forum intruder with nothing better to do" is better. Why are you offended by being called Albanian??? You seem to take they're side in every one of your post, so there's obviously something there - maybe a wife, girlfriend.... boyfriend?!?!? Or, has all this Western mass media/propaganda "made up news stuff" influenced and skewed your thoughts and views - you know, that's what they're trying to do, right?!?!? I think they've succeeded in you case Spanky....

@ Watcher

"let’s start with madwoman Albright, justifying over 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children over years of sanctions...shall we go on or is half million enough for you?"

Which organization makes this claim? Never heard it before. If it is true, then it is also the case that Saddam would rather starve his own children than humble himself. And this is the man whom Peggy recently cited as proof that the US seems regime change, with the assumption that we should pity Saddam and consider America the "bad boy." Some people have such warped minds. By the way, Watcher, it may be that Albright deserves to be called a madwoman. But if that figure is true, you should call Saddam much worse.

"As far as Saddam, he is no worse than western presidents who think it’s ok to disintegrate entire villages in the name of “ national interests”..."

Which villages did the US disintegrate in the name of "national interests"?

Globalists have been itching for world war and tried many ways to start it. Is it just me or is it obvious to all that if Russia wanted these two dead they would be? This particular nerve agent doesn't let anyone live. Unprotected people came to aid and they are alive too.
Now a chemical attack in Syria and all they had to do was wash off the chemical.
There had to be a reason to attack Assad and they are invented one.
Again, we see children having water poured on their heads. If this is all it takes to survive a chemical attack then it's not really bad. It's just a minor irritation.

Problem with this circus is that there are no good acts and the west seem to be clowns without humour. Blind Freddy can see what is going on. Again, US resorts to air strikes without SC approval.

They will kill us all if need be in order to stay in power.

Then are you willing to strongly criticize Saddam Hussein for his brutality?
(JS, 16 April 2018 11:47)
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I'm not limited to criticising just one individual for brutality, I would criticise anyone for it, be it Saddam Hussein, Saudi Arabia, Israel and first and foremost, the US and their collaborators. I'm sorry to say but in the current geopolitical climate, it is the US and their collaborators who are causing the most division, death and destruction the world has seen since WWII.

Then criticize him. Let's hear it. Or is your Russoplihia keeping you from doing it?
(JS, 16 April 2018 15:19)
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I know very little about it but after doing some digging, of course I condemn him and his collaborators, being the US, UK and France. What does this have to do with Russia?

CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran -> http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran
Rumsfeld 'helped Iraq get chemical weapons' -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
Why Britain backed down on banning Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons -> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-britain-backed-down-on-banning-saddam-husseins-chemical-weapons-during-iran-war-10361917.html
Kurds who suffered Saddam Hussein chemical weapons attack accuse French suppliers -> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/kurds-who-suffered-saddam-hussein-chemical-weapons-attack-accuse-french-suppliers-8652857.html

And that's just scratching the surface but I couldn't find anything linking Russia to Iraq's chemical weapons, only the US, UK and France.

@ CHiTown

You're really cute. I guess MUP R SRBIJE made a mistake when they issued my Serbian passport.

My comments are mostly the result of being ashamed of radical Serb nationalists. I never comment on equally crazy Albanian posts (and there are many of them!) because I cannot be ashamed of foreigners.

@ Zoran

Sorry to break the tough news but Tito died.

JS and icj, like I said, I do like a good debate but I can't argue with stupidity.

You're really cute. I guess MUP R SRBIJE made a mistake when they issued my Serbian passport.

My comments are mostly the result of being ashamed of radical Serb nationalists. I never comment on equally crazy Albanian posts (and there are many of them!) because I cannot be ashamed of foreigners.
(JS, 16 April 2018 20:42)

JS, we're starting off on the wrong foot, damn it... Oh, by the way, just because you received a Serbian Passport, doesn't necessarily mean that you're Serbian. For all I know, JS can stand for Johannas Schweinhunden, right! I guess I have one, to start, simple question for you - "how does someone, or any portion of an entire community, became radicalized"? Or, "what makes someone more aware of their pride for they country and people"? Now, before you answer, remember that you've included the Serbs and Albanians in the same category - so walk gingerly with your answer my friend. I do, however, appreciate you trying to tread through a rough forum.

Calling me an Albanian. Trying to make me fit into your slanted view of the world. How cute, young fella.
(JS, 16 April 2018 15:17)

JS, if I'm calling you Albanian, maybe there's a reason - you "might" be leaning more in one direction. Thanks for the "young fella" remark, unfortunately not too accurate....

Be honest and admit that you are one-sided.
(JS, 15 April 2018 23:25)
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Of course I'm one-sided. I'm on the side of truth, against the warmongers and those evil forces dividing people.

Regarding the half million Iraqi children, the question was put to Mad-woman Albright and she didn't dispute the figure, she simply stated the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it. Regardless of whether that number of deaths is accurate or not, it just goes to show how the US administration would sacrifice so many civilians and children for their agenda. Check -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Now that is pure evil.

@ ChiTown

"I guess I have one, to start, simple question for you - "how does someone, or any portion of an entire community, became radicalized"? Or, "what makes someone more aware of their pride for they country and people"?"

That's a great question. I'm not sure that I have a good answer. The are many possible causes. Perhaps I would answer, unfettered enthusiasm for our nation or ethnic group. People are energized during times of conflict, as "us" and "them" are more sharply defined and "the other" is demonized. That demonization means that "our people" are righteous, and since all people and governments are flawed then we are required to distort the facts to fit the deeply held love for country or ethnic group.

Actually I think the problem starts much earlier than that. There is only one kingdom that matters, only one reign that matters. All else is idolatry. We can appreciate our country, its heritage and traditions. But if we give allegiance to it, we neglect the one king and ruler of the universe. Idolatry, I believe, distorts all earthly kingdoms and peoples.

Actually I think the problem starts much earlier than that. There is only one kingdom that matters, only one reign that matters. All else is idolatry. We can appreciate our country, its heritage and traditions. But if we give allegiance to it, we neglect the one king and ruler of the universe. Idolatry, I believe, distorts all earthly kingdoms and peoples.
(JS, 17 April 2018 11:08)

JS, indeed a complex question, and you can probably write a book. You can't mistake pride and honor for nationalism. The Serbs have a great history and have always been on the side of righteousness and freedom. You can even say, defenders of Europe and Christ from the onslaught of Islam for centuries. The simple answer is that nationalism grows when you have been wronged, in particular, by your historical allies and for geopolitical reasons. Again, this is just a small part of the answer... you can go on, and on.