"Central condition for Serbia - accept Kosovo independence"

Mr. Minister, since you are talking about rule of law, how about UN Resolution 1244?

They guys have no backbone, while with Vucic its one thing, but while in Kosovo its Serbia has recognise Kosovo’s independent or no EU. The same old BS much like what Josker Fisher used to repeat. I would respect the EU if they said right now Serbia recognises Kosovo or no more negotiations, but alas it goes on and at every turn they change their position and give in a little. Look at what they have forced the Albanians to sign in the Brussels agreement.

I could not be more delighted to see Serbia singing this song to the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_yCwFD6Jo

However, knowing how these people work and think the EU/Germany would crap itself if this were to happen LOL.

The question that must be asked is Serbia more valuable than Kosovo?

If they try that one on, Vucic would then say that he cannot make that decision and it must go to a referendum – you know something the lovers of democracy hate with a passion aka letting the people decide.

By the way if the EU could not force the 5 to recognise Kosovo over the last 19 years, that bird has flown the coup.

Question: If Kosovo is so important to Serbia...why aren't there more Serbs moving there?
(KCOJ, 15 February 2018 11:45)
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Serbs want to live in Kosovo and many try to return only to be harassed by Albanians. It is the Albanians that are trying to escape en mass, only to be sent back by the EU. So mind your own business.

This German minister only speaks for himself, not the EU and not for other German lawmakers, so I wouldn't put too much weight into his words. Chapter 35 dealing with Kosovo will be written by the EU, not him, and the EU already said it doesn't know what the final product will be. This guy also thinks he can convince the five EU members to recognize Kosovo as an independent country after they have held out for 10 years so there is a lot of delusion there, especially after the EU saw what Catalonia tried. Nothing to worry about with this guy, so we can move on to the next person who likes to hear himself talking.

Kosovars “moved”?????

Really!

Moved from where Mars????

We are indigenous you fool!
(Azir, 15 February 2018 15:18)

No, you moved from the Albanian region beginning after 1690. The Ottoman sultan needed tax payers to replace the Serbs who left. Albanians have been migrating to Kosovo for the last 300 years. Ever wonder why Albanians have no historical landmarks in Kosovo? It's because you're migrants. Read up on history that isn't Albanian propaganda.

News flash for this expired kraut. The EU commission said otherwise so his German statements are just faghoozi faghazi, fairy dust :)

Kosovo not being Serbia is the same as saying Germany isn’t being overtaken by Turks and Arabs.

LOL! What a mess the EU/US created by attempting to circumvent international norms without complete consensus. Seems they want Serbia to fix it. LOL! Good luck trying to convince the remaining five, especially Spain. It is the EU that is divided.

Their teeth were knocked out by Slavs not long ago, and thinking about biting again?

Question: If Kosovo is so important to Serbia...why aren't there more Serbs moving there?

If you don't want to live there...you sure as hell wouldn't want to govern it!

Kick it to the curb already and be done with it...it's only holding Serbia back from moving forward I think!

Maybe it's just a past that is known seems more comfortable than a future that is uncertain and unknown....maybe?

Notwithstanding fairytales about “central conditions” by the foreign minister from a Schengen zone country, the main result to KiM is that he and his other honorable ministers will continue to discriminate against KiM residents who don’t have travel documents from Serbia.

"Hello. President Putin... we're ready to move forward with you now."

Serbs want to live in Kosovo and many try to return only to be harassed by Albanians. It is the Albanians that are trying to escape en mass, only to be sent back by the EU. So mind your own business.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 12:11) What goes around comes around Serbs are under a curse of their criminal stupid makings. Out of Croatia, Kosovo soon to be out of Bosnia congratulations Serbs keep up the Stupid criminal works. Make celebrate another stupid loser holiday you Serbs love to have the pity parties for your selves.

I must show to you hundreds of Russian, German, British, French, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian, Austrian .... historians that say otherwise, i'm not talking to a single Albanian.
(Joni,

If there are so many historians claiming what you say,then show me at least on such who is not Albanian or half-Albanian like that Mathew Arif.There is not a single Greek or Turkish historian who can concur to your nonsense.In fact the Greek Byzantine historians like Stephanus place the Albania in Caucasus whereas Turkish historians talk about the massive Ottoman migrations both in Albania and Fyrom.This is what Talat Pasha-the last Ottoman ruler recalled in his memoirs:
“ Without considering that the majority element in a large part of Albania is Turkish,the 1913 London Conference yielded the scalpel like a deadly surgeon and freely cut up the map of the Balkans.This Operation not only did not yield the desired results but caused sickness to spread to other parts of the Balkans and gave birth to the great World War”.

Joni

I caught you lying again.I took up your challenge and I asked you to provide me with a name of a historian confirming your claims and your response is doubting my Greekness.I am Greek alright and the claims I make on postings-unlike yourself and the rest of the Albanians on this site-are backed by citations.The quotation from Talat Pasha is from his memoirs 2004 and not mine.Also the claims about the turkish migrations in Albania and the Balkans are from Turkish Ottoman historians who backed their claims with ottoman documents.There isn’t single modern world historian who concurs with the Albanian claims of Illyrian ancestry,not one.

Afterim as Albanians and Turks are saying.

@ azir the troll

I wouldnt be surprised if they came from mars but really albanians originate from mountains around black sea, thats where they came from.

Serbs are indigenous to these lands, they are our lands, and we didn't come from somewhere and invade thats just lies.

I want real proof not some BS rant about being Illyrians. Yes proof.
(sj, 16 February 2018 09:58)
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Give it up. You're never going to get any because there is none. Albanians have been asked many times here to produce some evidence but to date nothing. They can't.
They know they don't have any evidence and all they can say is that Serbs destroyed everything. You can never destroy everything.

SJ

[link]
(Ron,

Nice try Albo but what you should know is that Albanian farting and historical knowledge are not synomymous.Not only Pelion was an ancient Greek city but also most South Albania. Dyrrachion,Argyrocastro,Vlore,Chimera,
Agioi Saranda, and Butrini are all ancient Greek cities.Also the Chaonians ,
Molossians and Thesprotians were the three native Greek tribes of Epirus which fought the Romans when they invaded Greece.

There is nothing ancient about modern Albania.

Finally Europe it’s using the policy they should have used long time a go.

...this stance it helps Europe not us. We are independent and so will be for forever. Does any one is so naive to think that we will go back to 2007?

Kosovo should get taugh with the North criminals . All should be arrested and lock them forever They ( criminals) eating themselves alive. of our authorities does this then they will be trusted and respected. If not - RUBISH.

Albanians who came to Kosovo only know how to squat and steal. They don't even know their true identity... changed their religion with the times...
(trizo, 15 February 2018 14:32)

That's because Albanians do not define their identity based on religion, dear. Just because you are brainwashed to believe in something that does not exist to the point that you tie your identity to it, it does not mean that everybody is like you!

Hey Serbs, who cares what powerful Germany has to say, eh. The most important thing is what Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache has to say 😁

SJ

[link]
(Ron, 16 February 2018 13:35)

The problem is that this attachment does not provide proof. Yes, the archaeologist were Albanians and the digs were in today’s Albania, but there is zero proof that those early people were Albanian.

The architecture of some those structures resemble early Minoan tombs, but you have no language, no script or anything to connect it all together. That is called proof.

The FRYM claim Alexander the Great, but that guy spoke and wrote in classical Greek not in the Macedonian language, which is by the way Bulgarian. The Greeks can provide proof that Alexander was Greek.

Joni, I caught you lying in public not long ago, which is on par with stealing in public by the way.
Learn to shut your crow's(Croat's) mouth!

Germany lost massive land, including entire East Prussia, to Slavs, and he came all the way to Balkan to make territory claims, lol...

Thank you Europe!

***Funny! Really funny! A louse menace to leave, even before not being in... hahaaa! Oh, please, do us that favour. ****😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂

Question: If Kosovo is so important to Serbia...why aren't there more Serbs moving there?

If you don't want to live there...you sure as hell wouldn't want to govern it!

Kick it to the curb already and be done with it...it's only holding Serbia back from moving forward I think!

(KCOJ, 15 February 2018 11:45)


1. They are moving back.

2. Why doesn't Serbia kick their province of Kosovo to the curb? Would you give your house to some low class citizens who produce en mass to try and take over your historic lands? No. So neither do we.

Albanians who came to Kosovo only know how to squat and steal. They don't even know their true identity... changed their religion with the times... no real backbone.

It's like America trying now to ruin Syria and overthrow Assad; only now it's a lot more difficult. Land can't be stolen and military bases set up so easily (thank god).

(Navi, 15 February 2018 16:57) 

Albanians moved from Albania to Kosovo in 1600? Hahaaa! Funny! What kind of history do you learn? Where are these facts Navi?

But you must reply to me: who were the indigenous people in Serbia before that you came there?
Who were they? Where are they?

In your face so what now stll serbs dreaming about Taking kosova back?

Can any serbs here explain to me this how many Germans company are in your land I’m just curious to know

To all you brainwashed people Germany is the biggest economy in the planet thats a fact

Go back home!
(Azir, 15 February 2018 19:40)
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We are home.

Where's YOUR proof that you are?

@ Leonidhas
I know well that you are not a Greek, honey! In Greek history books ( schools) Albanians are Autochonous in Balkan and Slavs invaders.
*I told it once but B92 censor me* Greece have a great history because Greeks were able to writte it. Same even for Romans.
None in Europe has ancient history being them Hungarians, Romanians, Germans, Brits, Austrians, Frenchs.... because the only writtens documental facts are in Latin or in Greek. That don't mean that there were not other nations living.
There are not registered big wars toward Hellens and Ilyrians - because were closed and shared areas and borders with each - other. There are registered wars between Romans and Ilyrians.
Ilyricum (Sacrum😜), felt to Roman and after that there were to many Emperators of Iliran origin, Popes it was created like an Empire. But Romanized.

So stop talking to me like a Greek because I already have consumed this argument with real Greek, and i know their oppinion.
So, instead of talking in vain. Tell me what Slavs left of the Great Empire of Macedonia and A.the Great? Where are the old buildings?
Is there something left? No!
Is enaught for me!

 Without considering that the majority element in a large part of Albania is Turkish,the 1913 London Conference yielded the scalpel like a deadly surgeon and freely cut up the map of the Balkans.This Operation not only did not yield the desired results but caused sickness to spread to other parts of the Balkans and gave birth to the great World War”.
(Leonidas, 16 February 2018 20:15)

Another thing!

Please without offense but don't talk to me to the Turkish element - that you have it written in the front face.
In Thesaloniki look like Middle East people. Sorry e.re nothing offensive.
Cyprus is...at least where I was for work was... like no comment...
Albania look European!
Turks are your neighbors so you are close to them.

And by the way in the oldest maps of Europe Greece is located in Assia not Europe. Right??

To all you brainwashed people Germany is the biggest economy in the planet thats a fact
(Reality, 15 February 2018 19:25)

Germany isn't, was never, the largest economy in the world.
Currently, US is #1, China #2, Japan #3.
Next time, think before you write, assuming you have a brain.
Thank you!

What a cute effort at giving false hope to Haradinaj. I knew thus guy was on some of Ramush's drugs when he finished up with the whole "And I'm going to get the 5 EU countries that haven't recognized to do so." He might as well should have boasted about then getting Russia to recognize too. Hilarious rubbish that only the dense and the naive would believe.

A "central condition" for Serbia is to make nice with these insuffrable separatists. Recognition was never a requirement. I suppose Rambo needed some good news since he and more than half of Kosovo's Albanian leadership are about to be indicted for war crimes :)

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the most detrimental occurrence in recent European history was the destruction of the Berlin Wall. The young Nazi radicals in Germany are growing exponentially and this will eventually affect Europe. The chaos this country has caused in the Balkans over the last century is unforgivable.

Good luck trying to convince the remaining five, especially Spain.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 11:33)

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:27)

Why would someone try to block Serbia's EU membership my dear?
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 15:39)

Feel free to ask that EU member about the "why". But any EU member can block Serbia's EU membership application until Serbia does something that that EU member requests (read the news story you are commenting on for an example). And that EU member can do that without having to explain you, Spain or anybody else why that EU member wants Serbia to do something in order for Serbia to join the EU.

Ratko the ignorant slav:

If you was a real serb you would know Slav serbs originate from Raska Ukraine 🇺🇦.

Slavs can never be Indigenous!

Slavs can never be “Macedonian “.

Russia 🇷🇺 and Ukraine 🇺🇦 is your true home.

Go back home!

This German minister only speaks for himself, not the EU and not for other German lawmakers, so I wouldn't put too much weight into his words. Chapter 35 dealing with Kosovo will be written by the EU, not him, and the EU already said it doesn't know what the final product will be. This guy also thinks he can convince the five EU members to recognize Kosovo as an independent country after they have held out for 10 years so there is a lot of delusion there, especially after the EU saw what Catalonia tried. Nothing to worry about with this guy, so we can move on to the next person who likes to hear himself talking.
(American Eagle, 15 February 2018 12:26)

Hey bald eaglet, why don't you go give P. Trump that lame story!!
See what he has to say about your opinion, you fraud!!!

To all you brainwashed people Germany is the biggest economy in the planet thats a fact
(Reality, 15 February 2018 19:25)
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You should be signing with "The alternate reality".

(Azir, 16 February 2018 11:42)

US Archaeologists have identified many stone structures on the east coast of the US that without a doubt were built by Native Americans for both ceremonial and other uses.

Then there are the Native American cliff dwellings in Neveda and New Mexico. The Nevada dwellings show signs of occupation going back 8,000 years. So you can clearly see that the American Indian has been around for a very long time.

These were primitive people that built these structure, but Albanians have not even carved a name in a tree but you claim living there since time immemorial LOL.

My neighbour, the retired historian, has contacts with Harvard and Yale universities and I will ask him to send a message that they can shut down their archaeology departments since they are of no use.

The Bosniaks are not indigenous people since they are Slavs who converted to Islam during the Turkish occupation. The books in the Sarajevo Library were removed right after war started and the building was empty. It’s a good lesson not to put a canon on the roof to fire at your emery because he just might level it.
That library has been restored and all the books are in there and nothing is missing.

You cannot claim oh “Our current existence is more than enough”. You need to prove it otherwise you are all liars.

Got news for you, naïve...they can't even control "kids" throwing rocks at buses or "kids" destroying Srb cementeries...much less "going" into the North...what happened last time the "rosa" or whatever they call themselves tried ....silly boy!
(Watcher, 15 February 2018 17:10)


Watcher aka sj,
You're trying very hard not to sound like sj, however, there exist methods to expose you as the same person. You are pathetic. With opponents such as yourself it is no wonder Kosova is independent.

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:27)
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Why would someone try to block Serbia's EU membership my dear? If not all EU members recognise "Kosova"*** then that is the EU's problem, not Serbia's. The EU is split, NATO is split so they can deal with the mess they created.

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:27)

@ icj prosta -sweetie, you STILL don't get it, do you? EU is more worried about Srbija turning toward Russia than what any of the EU countries individually want from Srbija..lol! Watch...NO ONE will block Srbija when time to join...especially a backroom abortion project that calls itself "kosova"...you're so silly!

Oh, this is SOOOOOOOO not going to happen...

"Hello. President Putin... we're ready to move forward with you now."
(MikeD, 15 February 2018 18:55)

Mike. D, Please do!!!
Its all thats left for you and your dwindling hermit state!

I caught you lying again.I took up your challenge and I asked you to provide me with a name of a historian confirming your claims and your response is doubting my Greekness.I am Greek alright and the claims I make on postings-unlike yourself and the rest of the Albanians on this site-are backed by citations.The quotation from Talat Pasha is from his memoirs 2004 and not mine.Also the claims about the turkish migrations in Albania and the Balkans are from Turkish Ottoman historians who backed their claims with ottoman documents.There isn’t single modern world historian who concurs with the Albanian claims of Illyrian ancestry,not one. 

Afterim as Albanians and Turks are saying.
(Leonidas, 16 February 2018 22:36)

Leo. I don't know what are you talking about but I have to remember to you that them who given to Greece independence were Albanians and them who stop Turks going to Europe (European Historian words not mine) are considered Albanians. Skanderbeg in still honoured for that - so that is a Serbo - dream discussion. Hajt Tung!

What is Afterim? I don't know it!

Ellaaa, Leonidas my Greek friend. Don't waste too much time responding to "Joni the Yifto", he's just a 13 year old kid, with pimples, and playing video games while hanging out in his moms basement - he'll sneak the family goat inside once in a while for a little love once in a while.
(ChiTown,
On the contrary, I am trying to encourage the shqiptars to visit a library,open a book and they will see that they’re brainwashed creatures.The purpose of the albanian insistence on.Their Illyrian ancestry is twofold. Firstly, they know that Illyrians left nothing behind and therefore albanians won’t be required to prove anything and secondly by insisting on this ancestry they hope to force neighbouring nations to hand over to them lands which they think were Illyrian in the first place.However, Medieval historical sources also suggest the inhabitants of Albania and Serbs spoke the same language no to mention that all toponyms were written in Slavic.
We all know that Albanians were under the Ottomans for more than 500 years but they won’t Touch the Ottoman history as written by the Ottoman themselves even with a barge-pole because the Ottoman archives lay bare the roots of modern Albanians and their role during the Ottoman occupation not only in the Balkans but also in the Middle East.It’s worth mentioning that Turko-Albanians and Kurds played a major role in the Armenian and Greek Pontian genocides.

Trizo the ignorant:

Slav serbs have “ historical lands in Kosova “?!

Slavs invaded during the 6/7 Century.

Education might help....

Kosovars “moved”?????

Really!

Moved from where Mars????

We are indigenous you fool!

Thank you Europe!

***Funny! Really funny! A louse menace to leave, even before not being in... hahaaa! Oh, please, do us that favour. ****😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂
(Joni, 15 February 2018 10:22)

@ joni - you mean "thank you Germany", right? ....after all, Europe, as a whole, does not recognize "kosova"..and you're thinking Spain is going to "fold" after their separatist issues? For real?

That's because Albanians do not define their identity based on religion, dear. Just because you are brainwashed to believe in something that does not exist to the point that you tie your identity to it, it does not mean that everybody is like you!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:21)

When you use "dear" to a stranger on the internet, you just show that you believe ironic terms of endearment are needed to bolster your views; this already makes you look desperate.

To change someones core values and beliefs to appease someone just shows that said person has no backbone.

Doesn't matter if God is real or not or which story you believe in or don't believe in. You've missed the point. Fyi it was a question of character. I'm glad you didn't object to the squatting and land theft attributes lol

Albanians moved from Albania to Kosovo in 1600? Hahaaa! Funny! What kind of history do you learn? Where are these facts Navi?
(Joni, 15 February 2018 18:40)

You can find them in any non-Albanian history book apparently. Not my fault Hoxha left that out of the curriculum when he taught your grandparents how to read and write.

Azir



Serbs are originated from Iran ,they got nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia they are Iranian ,maybe they moved there from Iran and lived for some centuries in Russia or Ukraine but their roots are from IRAN ,just to let you know AZIR

Albanians moved from Albania to Kosovo in 1600? Hahaaa! Funny! What kind of history do you learn? Where are these facts Navi?
(Joni, 15 February 2018 18:40)

You can find them in any non-Albanian history book apparently. Not my fault Hoxha left that out of the curriculum when he taught your grandparents how to read and write.
(Navi, 15 February 2018 22:31)

I'm still waiting!
You didn't told to me who were the autochthonous people in the area you occupied? Nationality, please?
What huppended to them, to theirs homes, to religious buildings....?
You are free to reply if you have an answer!

My god, you are just invaders whith to many *???* on all you history and still pretend to be owners of a land that never was yours, and all the Europe know that.

***
I must show to you hundreds of Russian, German, British, French, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian, Austrian .... historians that say otherwise, i'm not talking to a single Albanian.

leonidas my serbian qetnik friend.
youre still alive!? i thought youre dead thats why i gave up b92.
albos are illyrians end of... doesnt matter what you write here.
i have a saying for you " nombi rombi me pali" you tickle my albanian balls. the italins and greeks say so. ne rrs shko... the albanians like myself say so.

https://youtu.be/iVI6zw4jW3Y

My dear Leonidhas I really thought that you must be a Greek but after reading your comments I see sj..tipe of writte here so no, your are not a Greek for to many reason.
Now, your are not an historian the women in the video is one of the most honnored historian in Greece.

But you know what I find funny the songs of Arvanite are in Albanian not Greek.

Did he say a win win situation, England didn’t think so?

Never Again !

Said the Jews to the Nazis!

Never Again !

Said the indigenous Shqiptares to the Slav Serb Occupiers!


For serbs the truth not only hurts but stings!

This is actually smth new. EU has not expressed this quite this clearly before. I think EU is finally starting to see who Serbs really are.

And the best is Serbs underestimate Albanians. Please continue to do so. Step by step.

(Joni, 15 February 2018 18:40)

OK Serbs not indigenous to Balkans, I accept that. Now show me archaeological proof that Albos are indigenous to that region. What have you guys built? Where are these ruins?

I want real proof not some BS rant about being Illyrians. Yes proof.

(Reality, 15 February 2018 19:25)

I love the fact you guys are so gullible. They tell you they support Albanians but force you to sign away your lives in the Brussels Agreement.

All Sigmar Gabriel did was state official EU policy and this is nothing new. Many have done that before such as Joska Fisher. What is policy today may not be tomorrow, but so far, the EU has backtracked at every turn. If they were serious about Serbia having to recognise Kosovo, they would have demanded no talks to join EU unless that happened.

On the question of how many German companies are in Serbia, I quote Sigmar Gabriel who said at a press conference that there are 300 German companies employing over 30,000 Serbs and more are planning to relocate to Serbia – these are his words.

Continental Tyres, Leoni, Tonnies, Siemens and Han Kolb to name just a few. Siemens has bought Milanovic Engineering in Kragujevac and employ 340 now, but after expansion it will have over 1,000 employees.

No Germany is not the biggest economy in the world. That would be China. Japan and US are also ahead of Germany.

Hey Serbs, who cares what powerful Germany has to say, eh. The most important thing is what Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache has to say 😁
(Avni, 15 February 2018

So powerful ,that he is leaving threw the back door and not the front - main when they are voted (kicked )out of office.
Remember, he ain't PUTIN or co ))

Afterim as Albanians and Turks are saying.
(Leonidas, 16 February 2018 22:36

Ellaaa, Leonidas my Greek friend. Don't waste too much time responding to "Joni the Yifto", he's just a 13 year old kid, with pimples, and playing video games while hanging out in his moms basement - he'll sneak the family goat inside once in a while for a little love once in a while.

What a mess the EU/US created by attempting to circumvent international norms without complete consensus.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 11:33)

Few people, if any, are aware of any mess created by EU/US by them attempting to circumvent international norms without complete consensus. So, it's not clear what you are talking about!
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Good luck trying to convince the remaining five, especially Spain.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 11:33)

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!

And the best is Serbs underestimate Albanians. Please continue to do so. Step by step.
(1+1=2, 15 February 2018 15:06)

@ 2=1+1 - Thank you! I think we will...step by step;)

Sj:

Remember occupiers are determined to erase all history of indigenous historical existence
(Nice. You've just shot yourself in the foot - Albanians destroying all serbian monasteries and churches and graveyards, buildings, changing street names; you name it!)



Our current existence is more than enough...
(Just like Roma gypsies, eh?)


You're without a doubt the biggest fool on this forum. Congratulations.
(Azir, 16 February 2018 11:42)

(Azir, 16 February 2018 11:42)

US Archaeologists have identified many stone structures on the east coast of the US that without a doubt were built by Native Americans for both ceremonial and other uses.

Then there are the Native American cliff dwellings in Neveda and New Mexico. The Nevada dwellings show signs of occupation going back 8,000 years. So you can clearly see that the American Indian has been around for a very long time.

These were primitive people that built these structure, but Albanians have not even carved a name in a tree but you claim living there since time immemorial LOL.

My neighbour, the retired historian, has contacts with Harvard and Yale universities and I will ask him to send a message that they can shut down their archaeology departments since they are of no use.

The Bosniaks are not indigenous people since they are Slavs who converted to Islam during the Turkish occupation. The books in the Sarajevo Library were removed right after war started and the building was empty. It’s a good lesson not to put a canon on the roof to fire at your emery because he just might level it.
That library has been restored and all the books are in there and nothing is missing.

You cannot claim oh “Our current existence is more than enough”. You need to prove it otherwise you are all liars.

SJ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tombs_of_Selca_e_Poshtme

Joni
Leo. I don't know what are you talking about
You don’t or you simply cannot account for your nonsense below. Therefore, I take it you’re a coward who trolls the pages of this site to spread fake history.

but I have to remember to you that them who given to Greece independence were Albanians

Arvanites are not Albanians.Their roots come from Northern Epirus (Already mentioned in the texts of Anna Komnini) whereas Albanians were called by the Byzantine historian Porfyrogenitos as a tribe of Caucasus.It’s true that Arvanites participated in the Liberation of Greece from the Ottomans but Muslim Albanians always had the Turkish conscience and fought by the side of the Ottomans during the Greek –Ottoman Balkan wars.After 1908 a number of members of the Neo-Turk committee that plotted the pogroms against the Greeks and Armenians were Albanians.
Skanderbeg in still honoured for that
Skenderbey-that’s his real name-used to call himself an orthodox Epirotan
What is Afterim? I don't know it!
I am sorry it’s a typo.I meant to say aferim.

Watcher aka sj,
You're trying very hard not to sound like sj, however, there exist methods to expose you as the same person. You are pathetic. With opponents such as yourself it is no wonder Kosova is independent.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 February 2018 23:16)

@ count of Kosovo - Lol, thank you for the compliment, but I’m not “sj”...if I was, believe me, I would tell you... 👍

I am trying to encourage the shqiptars to visit a library,open a book and they will see that they’re brainwashed creatures.
(Leonidas, 17 February 2018 19:58)

Oh, OK... So you are saying that these "shqiptars" are similar to Serbs and Greeks.

that they’re brainwashed creatures.
(Leonidas, 17 February 2018 19:58)

Oh, OK... So you are saying that these "shqiptars" are similar to Serbs and Greeks.
(icj1, 18 February 2018 17:03)

No they are not similar since he called shqiptars brainwashed creatures. Do you suffer from some type of severe dyslexia? which is the only reason you seem to constantly miss the point.

Finally Europe it’s using the policy they should have used long time a go.

...this stance it helps Europe not us. We are independent and so will be for forever. Does any one is so naive to think that we will go back to 2007?

Kosovo should get taugh with the North criminals . All should be arrested and lock them forever They ( criminals) eating themselves alive. of our authorities does this then they will be trusted and respected. If not - RUBISH.
(Naim, 15 February 2018 11:23)

@ Naïve - I agree, if "kosova" can just go in there and "arrest" these Srb criminals, then even I would respect them...GOSH, how I wish they had the balls to try...just TRY, that's all..LOL
Got news for you, naïve...they can't even control "kids" throwing rocks at buses or "kids" destroying Srb cementeries...much less "going" into the North...what happened last time the "rosa" or whatever they call themselves tried ....silly boy!

"That's because Albanians do not define their identity based on religion, dear"

Albanians are simple people like Serbs and Muslim Bosniaks. You wouldn't like the following statement but you begged for: They define their identity based on who is the boss.

Peggy your home is Australia 🇦🇺.

No where near Serbia.

Slavs originate outside the Balkans.

Everyone with basic education comprehends this.

Now go play with your kangaroo...

See what he has to say about your opinion, you fraud!!!(Peter The Rocky Mountains, 15. februar 2018 22:36) -------------/////////////////A Canadian Serb troll who portrays himself as a Croat calling someone else a fraud. LOL!!!!!!!

Sj:

American Natives have existed here before the Europeans “ discovered” North America now please tell me how foolish it would be to demand the Natives prove their indigenous existence by means of having a historic structure...

Remember occupiers are determined to erase all history of indigenous historical existence as in Serbs burning Bosnians Historical Library 📚 etc

Our current existence is more than enough...

Watcher aka sj,
You're trying very hard not to sound like sj, however, there exist methods to expose you as the same person. You are pathetic. With opponents such as yourself it is no wonder Kosova is independent.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 February 2018 23:16)
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If you have the means to expose him to be sj, why don't you already?

Leo. I don't know what are you talking about but I have to remember to you that them who given to Greece independence were Albanians and them who stop Turks going to Europe (European Historian words not mine) are considered Albanians. Skanderbeg in still honoured for that - so that is a Serbo - dream discussion. Hajt Tung!

What is Afterim? I don't know it!
(Joni, 17 February 2018 14:28)

This is called delusions of grandeur. If this is what is taught in universities in Albania then I am not surprised that these qualifications are not recognized by anyone.

Pure fantasy.

Joni

Let me start by confirming that sj and myself are two different posters ,in fact we’re probably thousands of miles
From each other.Linking a video to your reply means nothing.You see history is not based on YouTube videos but on historiography (research) and archaeology.Back to the central point of our discussion which was your claim that you can name hundreds of European historians who support the view that Albanians are ancient to the
Balkans.Let me ak you again.Can you name one such historian who is not Albanian.

If you have the means to expose him to be sj, why don't you already?
(Peggy, 19 February 2018 01:17)

Last time he accused me of being Ari Gold. He thinks if his Albanians use multiple names then everyone else does the same. Serbs are far more capable than his lot.

Nice photo B92, take a good look Serb's out there, this is the reality, this is how it is going to be from now on ! Serbian people too busy loving Tito and destroying each other, now Srbija on it's death bed spitting up blood and soiling it self to death ! I only hope Islam expands and takes full control of the void, will be interesting how the future generation of the Roman Catholic empire deal with Islam ! Oh and Allah Akbar !!!

It`s funny to read all the comments here. Wrongly everybody believes in Serbia and Kosovo that, the EU's biggest problem is the Balkan, but when the EU foreign ministers come together for a day discussion, maybe 2-3 minutes are given for the topic of the Balkan. It is simply so unimportant and nobody could care less. Everybody knows the Balkan is a hopeless place, including Croatia as well. It's full of failed states. Please look in the mirror. It's good for a 10-days holiday on the Adriatic, but for not much else. Sorry, but this is the truth.

Germany always is always helping his old wwI and wwII friends.

As a return, Albanian Muslims will help Germans Islamizing Germany. Two good friends indeed, LOL...

(Joni, 19 February 2018 12:03)


If you were smart you would be dangerous, but you are not. What have Albanians left to history? Nothing, but the saddest part Albanians, like Croats, have their own special version of history where they held empires larger than those of Rome and Britain.

When asked to show evidence to connect Albanians and Illyrians standard comment “it’s enough that we are around today”.

Some free advice for you. Please take your version of history to the Americans and try and convince them and if they don’t burst into hysterical laughter then you’re doing OK.

Psst Albanians do not have their alphabet since yours is based on Latin. Don’t you know anything?

The EU and further EU integration is high on the agenda of the new German government. From a German perspective, that means a German dominated EU. For that to happen, all countries need to dance to their tune. All their talk about 'we want an European Germany and not a German Europe' is besides the facts. The tragedy of Europe is that any major country tried to dominate it and wanted impose their system on the rest. Germany has a tendency to act unilateral in Europe. Merkel's decision (unilaterally, without consulting the rest of Europe) to put no cap on the numbers of migrants to take in, had huge impact not only on Germany but on the rest of Europe as well. The fact is, many countries in Europe are fed up with Germany's arm wringing. The Visegrad countries for example are openly defying both Germany and the EU.

Let me start by confirming that sj and myself are two different posters ,in fact we’re probably thousands of miles 
From each other.Linking a video to your reply means nothing.You see history is not based on YouTube videos but on historiography (research) and archaeology.Back to the central point of our discussion which was your claim that you can name hundreds of European historians who support the view that Albanians are ancient to the 
Balkans.Let me ak you again.Can you name one such historian who is not Albanian.
(Leonidas, 19 February 2018 10:57) 

Yes! I can tell you!
Maria Efthimiou is not Albanian is pure Greek.

Serbs tried hard it.. but you failed honey!
Are Serbs who have no ancient history, no roots, not their alphabet ( but a Greek made) we didn't copy at least.
And I don't know what have to be proud of? So many million Slavs around without history? And have the b...lls to talk?
At least Greeks left an old civilization.
Turks left a point I European history!
Albanians left to many heroes and personalities to this world.
But Serbs what have left to the history? What?
Same Churches?
Well, Europe and Balkan is full on ancient Churches..
My dear Leonidhas - the time when Serbia found an ally in Greece against Albania is over. Serbia and Greece robed Albanian land so had to be ally. Be ready to not fall in desperation because Greece will recognize Kosovo! Be ready!

Hey bald eaglet, why don't you go give P. Trump that lame story!!
See what he has to say about your opinion, you fraud!!!
(Peter The Rocky Mountains, 15 February 2018 22:36)

Aw, you think Trump gives a damn about you, that's so adorably out of date :)

And when the Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache said Kosova is Serbia he was dragged in front of camera to tell what he really meant to say by his master. LOL

Serbs take half the Bosnia territory for themselves, while you have to share the rest with Muslims of whom you absolutely loath.
Mighty Croatian Lenard, go count how many Croats left in Bosnia nowadays.
One was sent home counting his mighty Croatian wallet, who hasn't made his way back yet.

Mr. Minister, since you are talking about rule of law, how about UN Resolution 1244?

They guys have no backbone, while with Vucic its one thing, but while in Kosovo its Serbia has recognise Kosovo’s independent or no EU. The same old BS much like what Josker Fisher used to repeat. I would respect the EU if they said right now Serbia recognises Kosovo or no more negotiations, but alas it goes on and at every turn they change their position and give in a little. Look at what they have forced the Albanians to sign in the Brussels agreement.

I could not be more delighted to see Serbia singing this song to the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L_yCwFD6Jo

However, knowing how these people work and think the EU/Germany would crap itself if this were to happen LOL.

The question that must be asked is Serbia more valuable than Kosovo?

If they try that one on, Vucic would then say that he cannot make that decision and it must go to a referendum – you know something the lovers of democracy hate with a passion aka letting the people decide.

By the way if the EU could not force the 5 to recognise Kosovo over the last 19 years, that bird has flown the coup.

Their teeth were knocked out by Slavs not long ago, and thinking about biting again?

Ratko the ignorant slav:

If you was a real serb you would know Slav serbs originate from Raska Ukraine 🇺🇦.

Slavs can never be Indigenous!

Slavs can never be “Macedonian “.

Russia 🇷🇺 and Ukraine 🇺🇦 is your true home.

Go back home!

News flash for this expired kraut. The EU commission said otherwise so his German statements are just faghoozi faghazi, fairy dust :)

Kosovo not being Serbia is the same as saying Germany isn’t being overtaken by Turks and Arabs.

Albanians who came to Kosovo only know how to squat and steal. They don't even know their true identity... changed their religion with the times...
(trizo, 15 February 2018 14:32)

That's because Albanians do not define their identity based on religion, dear. Just because you are brainwashed to believe in something that does not exist to the point that you tie your identity to it, it does not mean that everybody is like you!

@ azir the troll

I wouldnt be surprised if they came from mars but really albanians originate from mountains around black sea, thats where they came from.

Serbs are indigenous to these lands, they are our lands, and we didn't come from somewhere and invade thats just lies.

To all you brainwashed people Germany is the biggest economy in the planet thats a fact
(Reality, 15 February 2018 19:25)
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You should be signing with "The alternate reality".

Joni

I caught you lying again.I took up your challenge and I asked you to provide me with a name of a historian confirming your claims and your response is doubting my Greekness.I am Greek alright and the claims I make on postings-unlike yourself and the rest of the Albanians on this site-are backed by citations.The quotation from Talat Pasha is from his memoirs 2004 and not mine.Also the claims about the turkish migrations in Albania and the Balkans are from Turkish Ottoman historians who backed their claims with ottoman documents.There isn’t single modern world historian who concurs with the Albanian claims of Illyrian ancestry,not one.

Afterim as Albanians and Turks are saying.

Thank you Europe!

***Funny! Really funny! A louse menace to leave, even before not being in... hahaaa! Oh, please, do us that favour. ****😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂

Finally Europe it’s using the policy they should have used long time a go.

...this stance it helps Europe not us. We are independent and so will be for forever. Does any one is so naive to think that we will go back to 2007?

Kosovo should get taugh with the North criminals . All should be arrested and lock them forever They ( criminals) eating themselves alive. of our authorities does this then they will be trusted and respected. If not - RUBISH.

Question: If Kosovo is so important to Serbia...why aren't there more Serbs moving there?

If you don't want to live there...you sure as hell wouldn't want to govern it!

Kick it to the curb already and be done with it...it's only holding Serbia back from moving forward I think!

Maybe it's just a past that is known seems more comfortable than a future that is uncertain and unknown....maybe?

Kosovars “moved”?????

Really!

Moved from where Mars????

We are indigenous you fool!
(Azir, 15 February 2018 15:18)

No, you moved from the Albanian region beginning after 1690. The Ottoman sultan needed tax payers to replace the Serbs who left. Albanians have been migrating to Kosovo for the last 300 years. Ever wonder why Albanians have no historical landmarks in Kosovo? It's because you're migrants. Read up on history that isn't Albanian propaganda.

Thank you Europe!

***Funny! Really funny! A louse menace to leave, even before not being in... hahaaa! Oh, please, do us that favour. ****😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂
(Joni, 15 February 2018 10:22)

@ joni - you mean "thank you Germany", right? ....after all, Europe, as a whole, does not recognize "kosova"..and you're thinking Spain is going to "fold" after their separatist issues? For real?

This German minister only speaks for himself, not the EU and not for other German lawmakers, so I wouldn't put too much weight into his words. Chapter 35 dealing with Kosovo will be written by the EU, not him, and the EU already said it doesn't know what the final product will be. This guy also thinks he can convince the five EU members to recognize Kosovo as an independent country after they have held out for 10 years so there is a lot of delusion there, especially after the EU saw what Catalonia tried. Nothing to worry about with this guy, so we can move on to the next person who likes to hear himself talking.
(American Eagle, 15 February 2018 12:26)

Hey bald eaglet, why don't you go give P. Trump that lame story!!
See what he has to say about your opinion, you fraud!!!

@ Leonidhas
I know well that you are not a Greek, honey! In Greek history books ( schools) Albanians are Autochonous in Balkan and Slavs invaders.
*I told it once but B92 censor me* Greece have a great history because Greeks were able to writte it. Same even for Romans.
None in Europe has ancient history being them Hungarians, Romanians, Germans, Brits, Austrians, Frenchs.... because the only writtens documental facts are in Latin or in Greek. That don't mean that there were not other nations living.
There are not registered big wars toward Hellens and Ilyrians - because were closed and shared areas and borders with each - other. There are registered wars between Romans and Ilyrians.
Ilyricum (Sacrum😜), felt to Roman and after that there were to many Emperators of Iliran origin, Popes it was created like an Empire. But Romanized.

So stop talking to me like a Greek because I already have consumed this argument with real Greek, and i know their oppinion.
So, instead of talking in vain. Tell me what Slavs left of the Great Empire of Macedonia and A.the Great? Where are the old buildings?
Is there something left? No!
Is enaught for me!

LOL! What a mess the EU/US created by attempting to circumvent international norms without complete consensus. Seems they want Serbia to fix it. LOL! Good luck trying to convince the remaining five, especially Spain. It is the EU that is divided.

Question: If Kosovo is so important to Serbia...why aren't there more Serbs moving there?
(KCOJ, 15 February 2018 11:45)
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Serbs want to live in Kosovo and many try to return only to be harassed by Albanians. It is the Albanians that are trying to escape en mass, only to be sent back by the EU. So mind your own business.

This German minister only speaks for himself, not the EU and not for other German lawmakers, so I wouldn't put too much weight into his words. Chapter 35 dealing with Kosovo will be written by the EU, not him, and the EU already said it doesn't know what the final product will be. This guy also thinks he can convince the five EU members to recognize Kosovo as an independent country after they have held out for 10 years so there is a lot of delusion there, especially after the EU saw what Catalonia tried. Nothing to worry about with this guy, so we can move on to the next person who likes to hear himself talking.

Nice photo B92, take a good look Serb's out there, this is the reality, this is how it is going to be from now on ! Serbian people too busy loving Tito and destroying each other, now Srbija on it's death bed spitting up blood and soiling it self to death ! I only hope Islam expands and takes full control of the void, will be interesting how the future generation of the Roman Catholic empire deal with Islam ! Oh and Allah Akbar !!!

Never Again !

Said the Jews to the Nazis!

Never Again !

Said the indigenous Shqiptares to the Slav Serb Occupiers!


For serbs the truth not only hurts but stings!

Trizo the ignorant:

Slav serbs have “ historical lands in Kosova “?!

Slavs invaded during the 6/7 Century.

Education might help....

Kosovars “moved”?????

Really!

Moved from where Mars????

We are indigenous you fool!

Finally Europe it’s using the policy they should have used long time a go.

...this stance it helps Europe not us. We are independent and so will be for forever. Does any one is so naive to think that we will go back to 2007?

Kosovo should get taugh with the North criminals . All should be arrested and lock them forever They ( criminals) eating themselves alive. of our authorities does this then they will be trusted and respected. If not - RUBISH.
(Naim, 15 February 2018 11:23)

@ Naïve - I agree, if "kosova" can just go in there and "arrest" these Srb criminals, then even I would respect them...GOSH, how I wish they had the balls to try...just TRY, that's all..LOL
Got news for you, naïve...they can't even control "kids" throwing rocks at buses or "kids" destroying Srb cementeries...much less "going" into the North...what happened last time the "rosa" or whatever they call themselves tried ....silly boy!

Serbs want to live in Kosovo and many try to return only to be harassed by Albanians. It is the Albanians that are trying to escape en mass, only to be sent back by the EU. So mind your own business.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 12:11) What goes around comes around Serbs are under a curse of their criminal stupid makings. Out of Croatia, Kosovo soon to be out of Bosnia congratulations Serbs keep up the Stupid criminal works. Make celebrate another stupid loser holiday you Serbs love to have the pity parties for your selves.

Go back home!
(Azir, 15 February 2018 19:40)
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We are home.

Where's YOUR proof that you are?

(Joni, 15 February 2018 18:40)

OK Serbs not indigenous to Balkans, I accept that. Now show me archaeological proof that Albos are indigenous to that region. What have you guys built? Where are these ruins?

I want real proof not some BS rant about being Illyrians. Yes proof.

SJ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tombs_of_Selca_e_Poshtme

I want real proof not some BS rant about being Illyrians. Yes proof.
(sj, 16 February 2018 09:58)
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Give it up. You're never going to get any because there is none. Albanians have been asked many times here to produce some evidence but to date nothing. They can't.
They know they don't have any evidence and all they can say is that Serbs destroyed everything. You can never destroy everything.

I must show to you hundreds of Russian, German, British, French, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian, Austrian .... historians that say otherwise, i'm not talking to a single Albanian.
(Joni,

If there are so many historians claiming what you say,then show me at least on such who is not Albanian or half-Albanian like that Mathew Arif.There is not a single Greek or Turkish historian who can concur to your nonsense.In fact the Greek Byzantine historians like Stephanus place the Albania in Caucasus whereas Turkish historians talk about the massive Ottoman migrations both in Albania and Fyrom.This is what Talat Pasha-the last Ottoman ruler recalled in his memoirs:
“ Without considering that the majority element in a large part of Albania is Turkish,the 1913 London Conference yielded the scalpel like a deadly surgeon and freely cut up the map of the Balkans.This Operation not only did not yield the desired results but caused sickness to spread to other parts of the Balkans and gave birth to the great World War”.

 Without considering that the majority element in a large part of Albania is Turkish,the 1913 London Conference yielded the scalpel like a deadly surgeon and freely cut up the map of the Balkans.This Operation not only did not yield the desired results but caused sickness to spread to other parts of the Balkans and gave birth to the great World War”.
(Leonidas, 16 February 2018 20:15)

Another thing!

Please without offense but don't talk to me to the Turkish element - that you have it written in the front face.
In Thesaloniki look like Middle East people. Sorry e.re nothing offensive.
Cyprus is...at least where I was for work was... like no comment...
Albania look European!
Turks are your neighbors so you are close to them.

And by the way in the oldest maps of Europe Greece is located in Assia not Europe. Right??

Got news for you, naïve...they can't even control "kids" throwing rocks at buses or "kids" destroying Srb cementeries...much less "going" into the North...what happened last time the "rosa" or whatever they call themselves tried ....silly boy!
(Watcher, 15 February 2018 17:10)


Watcher aka sj,
You're trying very hard not to sound like sj, however, there exist methods to expose you as the same person. You are pathetic. With opponents such as yourself it is no wonder Kosova is independent.

What a mess the EU/US created by attempting to circumvent international norms without complete consensus.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 11:33)

Few people, if any, are aware of any mess created by EU/US by them attempting to circumvent international norms without complete consensus. So, it's not clear what you are talking about!
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Good luck trying to convince the remaining five, especially Spain.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 11:33)

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!

And the best is Serbs underestimate Albanians. Please continue to do so. Step by step.
(1+1=2, 15 February 2018 15:06)

@ 2=1+1 - Thank you! I think we will...step by step;)

Good luck trying to convince the remaining five, especially Spain.
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 11:33)

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:27)

Why would someone try to block Serbia's EU membership my dear?
(Zoran, 15 February 2018 15:39)

Feel free to ask that EU member about the "why". But any EU member can block Serbia's EU membership application until Serbia does something that that EU member requests (read the news story you are commenting on for an example). And that EU member can do that without having to explain you, Spain or anybody else why that EU member wants Serbia to do something in order for Serbia to join the EU.

In your face so what now stll serbs dreaming about Taking kosova back?

Can any serbs here explain to me this how many Germans company are in your land I’m just curious to know

To all you brainwashed people Germany is the biggest economy in the planet thats a fact

Hey Serbs, who cares what powerful Germany has to say, eh. The most important thing is what Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache has to say 😁

"Hello. President Putin... we're ready to move forward with you now."
(MikeD, 15 February 2018 18:55)

Mike. D, Please do!!!
Its all thats left for you and your dwindling hermit state!

(Azir, 16 February 2018 11:42)

US Archaeologists have identified many stone structures on the east coast of the US that without a doubt were built by Native Americans for both ceremonial and other uses.

Then there are the Native American cliff dwellings in Neveda and New Mexico. The Nevada dwellings show signs of occupation going back 8,000 years. So you can clearly see that the American Indian has been around for a very long time.

These were primitive people that built these structure, but Albanians have not even carved a name in a tree but you claim living there since time immemorial LOL.

My neighbour, the retired historian, has contacts with Harvard and Yale universities and I will ask him to send a message that they can shut down their archaeology departments since they are of no use.

The Bosniaks are not indigenous people since they are Slavs who converted to Islam during the Turkish occupation. The books in the Sarajevo Library were removed right after war started and the building was empty. It’s a good lesson not to put a canon on the roof to fire at your emery because he just might level it.
That library has been restored and all the books are in there and nothing is missing.

You cannot claim oh “Our current existence is more than enough”. You need to prove it otherwise you are all liars.

SJ

[link]
(Ron, 16 February 2018 13:35)

The problem is that this attachment does not provide proof. Yes, the archaeologist were Albanians and the digs were in today’s Albania, but there is zero proof that those early people were Albanian.

The architecture of some those structures resemble early Minoan tombs, but you have no language, no script or anything to connect it all together. That is called proof.

The FRYM claim Alexander the Great, but that guy spoke and wrote in classical Greek not in the Macedonian language, which is by the way Bulgarian. The Greeks can provide proof that Alexander was Greek.

SJ

[link]
(Ron,

Nice try Albo but what you should know is that Albanian farting and historical knowledge are not synomymous.Not only Pelion was an ancient Greek city but also most South Albania. Dyrrachion,Argyrocastro,Vlore,Chimera,
Agioi Saranda, and Butrini are all ancient Greek cities.Also the Chaonians ,
Molossians and Thesprotians were the three native Greek tribes of Epirus which fought the Romans when they invaded Greece.

There is nothing ancient about modern Albania.

Afterim as Albanians and Turks are saying.
(Leonidas, 16 February 2018 22:36

Ellaaa, Leonidas my Greek friend. Don't waste too much time responding to "Joni the Yifto", he's just a 13 year old kid, with pimples, and playing video games while hanging out in his moms basement - he'll sneak the family goat inside once in a while for a little love once in a while.

Ellaaa, Leonidas my Greek friend. Don't waste too much time responding to "Joni the Yifto", he's just a 13 year old kid, with pimples, and playing video games while hanging out in his moms basement - he'll sneak the family goat inside once in a while for a little love once in a while.
(ChiTown,
On the contrary, I am trying to encourage the shqiptars to visit a library,open a book and they will see that they’re brainwashed creatures.The purpose of the albanian insistence on.Their Illyrian ancestry is twofold. Firstly, they know that Illyrians left nothing behind and therefore albanians won’t be required to prove anything and secondly by insisting on this ancestry they hope to force neighbouring nations to hand over to them lands which they think were Illyrian in the first place.However, Medieval historical sources also suggest the inhabitants of Albania and Serbs spoke the same language no to mention that all toponyms were written in Slavic.
We all know that Albanians were under the Ottomans for more than 500 years but they won’t Touch the Ottoman history as written by the Ottoman themselves even with a barge-pole because the Ottoman archives lay bare the roots of modern Albanians and their role during the Ottoman occupation not only in the Balkans but also in the Middle East.It’s worth mentioning that Turko-Albanians and Kurds played a major role in the Armenian and Greek Pontian genocides.

Question: If Kosovo is so important to Serbia...why aren't there more Serbs moving there?

If you don't want to live there...you sure as hell wouldn't want to govern it!

Kick it to the curb already and be done with it...it's only holding Serbia back from moving forward I think!

(KCOJ, 15 February 2018 11:45)


1. They are moving back.

2. Why doesn't Serbia kick their province of Kosovo to the curb? Would you give your house to some low class citizens who produce en mass to try and take over your historic lands? No. So neither do we.

Albanians who came to Kosovo only know how to squat and steal. They don't even know their true identity... changed their religion with the times... no real backbone.

It's like America trying now to ruin Syria and overthrow Assad; only now it's a lot more difficult. Land can't be stolen and military bases set up so easily (thank god).

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the most detrimental occurrence in recent European history was the destruction of the Berlin Wall. The young Nazi radicals in Germany are growing exponentially and this will eventually affect Europe. The chaos this country has caused in the Balkans over the last century is unforgivable.

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:27)

@ icj prosta -sweetie, you STILL don't get it, do you? EU is more worried about Srbija turning toward Russia than what any of the EU countries individually want from Srbija..lol! Watch...NO ONE will block Srbija when time to join...especially a backroom abortion project that calls itself "kosova"...you're so silly!

"Hello. President Putin... we're ready to move forward with you now."

Oh, this is SOOOOOOOO not going to happen...

(Reality, 15 February 2018 19:25)

I love the fact you guys are so gullible. They tell you they support Albanians but force you to sign away your lives in the Brussels Agreement.

All Sigmar Gabriel did was state official EU policy and this is nothing new. Many have done that before such as Joska Fisher. What is policy today may not be tomorrow, but so far, the EU has backtracked at every turn. If they were serious about Serbia having to recognise Kosovo, they would have demanded no talks to join EU unless that happened.

On the question of how many German companies are in Serbia, I quote Sigmar Gabriel who said at a press conference that there are 300 German companies employing over 30,000 Serbs and more are planning to relocate to Serbia – these are his words.

Continental Tyres, Leoni, Tonnies, Siemens and Han Kolb to name just a few. Siemens has bought Milanovic Engineering in Kragujevac and employ 340 now, but after expansion it will have over 1,000 employees.

No Germany is not the biggest economy in the world. That would be China. Japan and US are also ahead of Germany.

(Azir, 16 February 2018 11:42)

US Archaeologists have identified many stone structures on the east coast of the US that without a doubt were built by Native Americans for both ceremonial and other uses.

Then there are the Native American cliff dwellings in Neveda and New Mexico. The Nevada dwellings show signs of occupation going back 8,000 years. So you can clearly see that the American Indian has been around for a very long time.

These were primitive people that built these structure, but Albanians have not even carved a name in a tree but you claim living there since time immemorial LOL.

My neighbour, the retired historian, has contacts with Harvard and Yale universities and I will ask him to send a message that they can shut down their archaeology departments since they are of no use.

The Bosniaks are not indigenous people since they are Slavs who converted to Islam during the Turkish occupation. The books in the Sarajevo Library were removed right after war started and the building was empty. It’s a good lesson not to put a canon on the roof to fire at your emery because he just might level it.
That library has been restored and all the books are in there and nothing is missing.

You cannot claim oh “Our current existence is more than enough”. You need to prove it otherwise you are all liars.

Hey Serbs, who cares what powerful Germany has to say, eh. The most important thing is what Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache has to say 😁
(Avni, 15 February 2018

So powerful ,that he is leaving threw the back door and not the front - main when they are voted (kicked )out of office.
Remember, he ain't PUTIN or co ))

Joni
Leo. I don't know what are you talking about
You don’t or you simply cannot account for your nonsense below. Therefore, I take it you’re a coward who trolls the pages of this site to spread fake history.

but I have to remember to you that them who given to Greece independence were Albanians

Arvanites are not Albanians.Their roots come from Northern Epirus (Already mentioned in the texts of Anna Komnini) whereas Albanians were called by the Byzantine historian Porfyrogenitos as a tribe of Caucasus.It’s true that Arvanites participated in the Liberation of Greece from the Ottomans but Muslim Albanians always had the Turkish conscience and fought by the side of the Ottomans during the Greek –Ottoman Balkan wars.After 1908 a number of members of the Neo-Turk committee that plotted the pogroms against the Greeks and Armenians were Albanians.
Skanderbeg in still honoured for that
Skenderbey-that’s his real name-used to call himself an orthodox Epirotan
What is Afterim? I don't know it!
I am sorry it’s a typo.I meant to say aferim.

Did he say a win win situation, England didn’t think so?

This is actually smth new. EU has not expressed this quite this clearly before. I think EU is finally starting to see who Serbs really are.

And the best is Serbs underestimate Albanians. Please continue to do so. Step by step.

"That's because Albanians do not define their identity based on religion, dear"

Albanians are simple people like Serbs and Muslim Bosniaks. You wouldn't like the following statement but you begged for: They define their identity based on who is the boss.

That's because Albanians do not define their identity based on religion, dear. Just because you are brainwashed to believe in something that does not exist to the point that you tie your identity to it, it does not mean that everybody is like you!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:21)

When you use "dear" to a stranger on the internet, you just show that you believe ironic terms of endearment are needed to bolster your views; this already makes you look desperate.

To change someones core values and beliefs to appease someone just shows that said person has no backbone.

Doesn't matter if God is real or not or which story you believe in or don't believe in. You've missed the point. Fyi it was a question of character. I'm glad you didn't object to the squatting and land theft attributes lol

(Navi, 15 February 2018 16:57) 

Albanians moved from Albania to Kosovo in 1600? Hahaaa! Funny! What kind of history do you learn? Where are these facts Navi?

But you must reply to me: who were the indigenous people in Serbia before that you came there?
Who were they? Where are they?

Sj:

American Natives have existed here before the Europeans “ discovered” North America now please tell me how foolish it would be to demand the Natives prove their indigenous existence by means of having a historic structure...

Remember occupiers are determined to erase all history of indigenous historical existence as in Serbs burning Bosnians Historical Library 📚 etc

Our current existence is more than enough...

Germany lost massive land, including entire East Prussia, to Slavs, and he came all the way to Balkan to make territory claims, lol...

Watcher aka sj,
You're trying very hard not to sound like sj, however, there exist methods to expose you as the same person. You are pathetic. With opponents such as yourself it is no wonder Kosova is independent.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 February 2018 23:16)

@ count of Kosovo - Lol, thank you for the compliment, but I’m not “sj”...if I was, believe me, I would tell you... 👍

https://youtu.be/iVI6zw4jW3Y

My dear Leonidhas I really thought that you must be a Greek but after reading your comments I see sj..tipe of writte here so no, your are not a Greek for to many reason.
Now, your are not an historian the women in the video is one of the most honnored historian in Greece.

But you know what I find funny the songs of Arvanite are in Albanian not Greek.

I am trying to encourage the shqiptars to visit a library,open a book and they will see that they’re brainwashed creatures.
(Leonidas, 17 February 2018 19:58)

Oh, OK... So you are saying that these "shqiptars" are similar to Serbs and Greeks.

Notwithstanding fairytales about “central conditions” by the foreign minister from a Schengen zone country, the main result to KiM is that he and his other honorable ministers will continue to discriminate against KiM residents who don’t have travel documents from Serbia.

What a cute effort at giving false hope to Haradinaj. I knew thus guy was on some of Ramush's drugs when he finished up with the whole "And I'm going to get the 5 EU countries that haven't recognized to do so." He might as well should have boasted about then getting Russia to recognize too. Hilarious rubbish that only the dense and the naive would believe.

A "central condition" for Serbia is to make nice with these insuffrable separatists. Recognition was never a requirement. I suppose Rambo needed some good news since he and more than half of Kosovo's Albanian leadership are about to be indicted for war crimes :)

If an EU member decides to block Serbia's EU membership application, why does that EU member need to convince Spain?!!!
(icj1, 15 February 2018 15:27)
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Why would someone try to block Serbia's EU membership my dear? If not all EU members recognise "Kosova"*** then that is the EU's problem, not Serbia's. The EU is split, NATO is split so they can deal with the mess they created.

Albanians moved from Albania to Kosovo in 1600? Hahaaa! Funny! What kind of history do you learn? Where are these facts Navi?
(Joni, 15 February 2018 18:40)

You can find them in any non-Albanian history book apparently. Not my fault Hoxha left that out of the curriculum when he taught your grandparents how to read and write.

I caught you lying again.I took up your challenge and I asked you to provide me with a name of a historian confirming your claims and your response is doubting my Greekness.I am Greek alright and the claims I make on postings-unlike yourself and the rest of the Albanians on this site-are backed by citations.The quotation from Talat Pasha is from his memoirs 2004 and not mine.Also the claims about the turkish migrations in Albania and the Balkans are from Turkish Ottoman historians who backed their claims with ottoman documents.There isn’t single modern world historian who concurs with the Albanian claims of Illyrian ancestry,not one. 

Afterim as Albanians and Turks are saying.
(Leonidas, 16 February 2018 22:36)

Leo. I don't know what are you talking about but I have to remember to you that them who given to Greece independence were Albanians and them who stop Turks going to Europe (European Historian words not mine) are considered Albanians. Skanderbeg in still honoured for that - so that is a Serbo - dream discussion. Hajt Tung!

What is Afterim? I don't know it!

leonidas my serbian qetnik friend.
youre still alive!? i thought youre dead thats why i gave up b92.
albos are illyrians end of... doesnt matter what you write here.
i have a saying for you " nombi rombi me pali" you tickle my albanian balls. the italins and greeks say so. ne rrs shko... the albanians like myself say so.

Azir



Serbs are originated from Iran ,they got nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia they are Iranian ,maybe they moved there from Iran and lived for some centuries in Russia or Ukraine but their roots are from IRAN ,just to let you know AZIR

Joni, I caught you lying in public not long ago, which is on par with stealing in public by the way.
Learn to shut your crow's(Croat's) mouth!

Let me start by confirming that sj and myself are two different posters ,in fact we’re probably thousands of miles 
From each other.Linking a video to your reply means nothing.You see history is not based on YouTube videos but on historiography (research) and archaeology.Back to the central point of our discussion which was your claim that you can name hundreds of European historians who support the view that Albanians are ancient to the 
Balkans.Let me ak you again.Can you name one such historian who is not Albanian.
(Leonidas, 19 February 2018 10:57) 

Yes! I can tell you!
Maria Efthimiou is not Albanian is pure Greek.

Serbs tried hard it.. but you failed honey!
Are Serbs who have no ancient history, no roots, not their alphabet ( but a Greek made) we didn't copy at least.
And I don't know what have to be proud of? So many million Slavs around without history? And have the b...lls to talk?
At least Greeks left an old civilization.
Turks left a point I European history!
Albanians left to many heroes and personalities to this world.
But Serbs what have left to the history? What?
Same Churches?
Well, Europe and Balkan is full on ancient Churches..
My dear Leonidhas - the time when Serbia found an ally in Greece against Albania is over. Serbia and Greece robed Albanian land so had to be ally. Be ready to not fall in desperation because Greece will recognize Kosovo! Be ready!

Leo. I don't know what are you talking about but I have to remember to you that them who given to Greece independence were Albanians and them who stop Turks going to Europe (European Historian words not mine) are considered Albanians. Skanderbeg in still honoured for that - so that is a Serbo - dream discussion. Hajt Tung!

What is Afterim? I don't know it!
(Joni, 17 February 2018 14:28)

This is called delusions of grandeur. If this is what is taught in universities in Albania then I am not surprised that these qualifications are not recognized by anyone.

Pure fantasy.

It`s funny to read all the comments here. Wrongly everybody believes in Serbia and Kosovo that, the EU's biggest problem is the Balkan, but when the EU foreign ministers come together for a day discussion, maybe 2-3 minutes are given for the topic of the Balkan. It is simply so unimportant and nobody could care less. Everybody knows the Balkan is a hopeless place, including Croatia as well. It's full of failed states. Please look in the mirror. It's good for a 10-days holiday on the Adriatic, but for not much else. Sorry, but this is the truth.

Peggy your home is Australia 🇦🇺.

No where near Serbia.

Slavs originate outside the Balkans.

Everyone with basic education comprehends this.

Now go play with your kangaroo...

Hey bald eaglet, why don't you go give P. Trump that lame story!!
See what he has to say about your opinion, you fraud!!!
(Peter The Rocky Mountains, 15 February 2018 22:36)

Aw, you think Trump gives a damn about you, that's so adorably out of date :)

See what he has to say about your opinion, you fraud!!!(Peter The Rocky Mountains, 15. februar 2018 22:36) -------------/////////////////A Canadian Serb troll who portrays himself as a Croat calling someone else a fraud. LOL!!!!!!!

Albanians moved from Albania to Kosovo in 1600? Hahaaa! Funny! What kind of history do you learn? Where are these facts Navi?
(Joni, 15 February 2018 18:40)

You can find them in any non-Albanian history book apparently. Not my fault Hoxha left that out of the curriculum when he taught your grandparents how to read and write.
(Navi, 15 February 2018 22:31)

I'm still waiting!
You didn't told to me who were the autochthonous people in the area you occupied? Nationality, please?
What huppended to them, to theirs homes, to religious buildings....?
You are free to reply if you have an answer!

My god, you are just invaders whith to many *???* on all you history and still pretend to be owners of a land that never was yours, and all the Europe know that.

***
I must show to you hundreds of Russian, German, British, French, Greek, Turkish, Hungarian, Austrian .... historians that say otherwise, i'm not talking to a single Albanian.

Sj:

Remember occupiers are determined to erase all history of indigenous historical existence
(Nice. You've just shot yourself in the foot - Albanians destroying all serbian monasteries and churches and graveyards, buildings, changing street names; you name it!)



Our current existence is more than enough...
(Just like Roma gypsies, eh?)


You're without a doubt the biggest fool on this forum. Congratulations.
(Azir, 16 February 2018 11:42)

that they’re brainwashed creatures.
(Leonidas, 17 February 2018 19:58)

Oh, OK... So you are saying that these "shqiptars" are similar to Serbs and Greeks.
(icj1, 18 February 2018 17:03)

No they are not similar since he called shqiptars brainwashed creatures. Do you suffer from some type of severe dyslexia? which is the only reason you seem to constantly miss the point.

Joni

Let me start by confirming that sj and myself are two different posters ,in fact we’re probably thousands of miles
From each other.Linking a video to your reply means nothing.You see history is not based on YouTube videos but on historiography (research) and archaeology.Back to the central point of our discussion which was your claim that you can name hundreds of European historians who support the view that Albanians are ancient to the
Balkans.Let me ak you again.Can you name one such historian who is not Albanian.

If you have the means to expose him to be sj, why don't you already?
(Peggy, 19 February 2018 01:17)

Last time he accused me of being Ari Gold. He thinks if his Albanians use multiple names then everyone else does the same. Serbs are far more capable than his lot.

And when the Austrian Vice-Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache said Kosova is Serbia he was dragged in front of camera to tell what he really meant to say by his master. LOL

The EU and further EU integration is high on the agenda of the new German government. From a German perspective, that means a German dominated EU. For that to happen, all countries need to dance to their tune. All their talk about 'we want an European Germany and not a German Europe' is besides the facts. The tragedy of Europe is that any major country tried to dominate it and wanted impose their system on the rest. Germany has a tendency to act unilateral in Europe. Merkel's decision (unilaterally, without consulting the rest of Europe) to put no cap on the numbers of migrants to take in, had huge impact not only on Germany but on the rest of Europe as well. The fact is, many countries in Europe are fed up with Germany's arm wringing. The Visegrad countries for example are openly defying both Germany and the EU.

To all you brainwashed people Germany is the biggest economy in the planet thats a fact
(Reality, 15 February 2018 19:25)

Germany isn't, was never, the largest economy in the world.
Currently, US is #1, China #2, Japan #3.
Next time, think before you write, assuming you have a brain.
Thank you!

Watcher aka sj,
You're trying very hard not to sound like sj, however, there exist methods to expose you as the same person. You are pathetic. With opponents such as yourself it is no wonder Kosova is independent.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 February 2018 23:16)
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If you have the means to expose him to be sj, why don't you already?

As a return, Albanian Muslims will help Germans Islamizing Germany. Two good friends indeed, LOL...

(Joni, 19 February 2018 12:03)


If you were smart you would be dangerous, but you are not. What have Albanians left to history? Nothing, but the saddest part Albanians, like Croats, have their own special version of history where they held empires larger than those of Rome and Britain.

When asked to show evidence to connect Albanians and Illyrians standard comment “it’s enough that we are around today”.

Some free advice for you. Please take your version of history to the Americans and try and convince them and if they don’t burst into hysterical laughter then you’re doing OK.

Psst Albanians do not have their alphabet since yours is based on Latin. Don’t you know anything?

Serbs take half the Bosnia territory for themselves, while you have to share the rest with Muslims of whom you absolutely loath.
Mighty Croatian Lenard, go count how many Croats left in Bosnia nowadays.
One was sent home counting his mighty Croatian wallet, who hasn't made his way back yet.

Germany always is always helping his old wwI and wwII friends.