Croatian PM urged to bow before victims of WW2 death camp
Serbian Foreign Minister and First Deputy PM Ivica Dacic has opened the exhibition <a href="https://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2018&mm=01&dd=23&nav_id=103330" class="text-link" target= "_blank">"Jasenovac - the Right Not to Forget,"</a>, staged at the UN in New York City.
Psycho killers would never apologize to their victims unless the victims are perceived stronger than them.
Croatia PM's bows in Israel approves it once again.
Therefore don't dream it, Dacic....
Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april, airfield and surroundings in front of Zagreb, there were also other cities dont recall now which, Split, Šibenik and Knin were attacked by Italy, probably I missed others. Belgrade was attacked because it was the capital of Yugoslavian monarchy from which other nominal states were governed, so Nazis took this under their governance. Nedić was in charge for Serbia proper, chetniks didn't create much problems for Germans, monarchial government fled to London, Macek refused but sent Croatian ban Subasic instead, he was arrested and Pavelić from Italy was installed as Nedić. Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
(mt, 30 January 2018 16:40)
mt: One bomb accidentally dislodging from a Messerschmidt doesn't not a bombing campaign make - that is, on the Nazi Puppet Ustasa State Croatia....
I have not attempted to minimize any crimes, dear, but I have exposed the hatred towards Serbs that some people like you harbour.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:44)
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You really should get off that sh!t.
Today's Croatia has nothing to do with yesterday's Jasenovac?
why your PM bows in Israel?
When people are poisoned with hatred, they surely lose common sense.
(rivernextdoor, 31 January 2018 18:58)
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Yes this generation has nothing to do with Jasenovac but how about Oluja? They would repeat Jasenovac in a heartbeat if they could.
Today's Croatia has nothing to do with yesterday's Jasenovac?
why your PM bows in Israel?
When people are poisoned with hatred, they surely lose common sense.
Still waiting for answers to my questions icj1. You've reverted to your old worn out behavior of deflecting, obfuscating and running away. Still waiting, and waiting, and waiting....
From tm: "Stop dehumanizing Croatians because of some death squads appointed by a terrorist group no one wanted except Mussolini and Hitler."
What's wrong tm, is the truth too hard to take? In your above comment you state that non one except Mussolini and Hitler wanted these death squads. Croatians were very willing participants in this killing orgy. Your catholic cardinal Stepinac even sanctioned this blood bath and forcible conversions. 700,000+ Serbs weren't slaughtered in the most barbaric ways because nobody wanted these death squads. And today's Croatians like yourself, Dwight, icj1 and others attempt to minimize these crimes in hopes that the unknowing reader will believe your revisionist claims. Not hardly.
I have vacationed in both Serbia and Croatia, and known Serbs and Croats from academia and at work.
Serbs are simple people who call spade a spade; Croats think themselves are more sophisticated who may not call spade a spade.
Serbs make best friends, Croats make worst enemy.
Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
(mt, 30 January 2018 16:40)
Macek was never in a concentration camp, but under house arrest. The Germans as asked Macek to lead Croatia before Pavelic, he refused with good reason.
So, revisionism is most notorious factography that territory of modern day Croatia and BiH was divided into OCCUPATIONAL ZONES of Italy and Germany? But here one can read that Croatia was not occupied but "independent", which is - a revisionist claim. And you sir, mr. njegos, fit into a description of something with 5 letters. Stop dehumanizing Croatians because of some death squads appointed by a terrorist group no one wanted except Mussolini and Hitler.
From mt (another revisionist): "...Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april..."
Go back and read the question mt, "How many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb?" Allow me to answer before you burst the one brain cell you have, ZERO. That's because the Croats were part of the Axis and as such, their most willing butchers, as was evidenced at Jasenovac among other places in the NDH during WWII. The French have a saying for Croats: They are brave people not because they are fearless, but rather because they have no shame. You fit the description perfectly.
Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april, airfield and surroundings in front of Zagreb, there were also other cities dont recall now which, Split, Šibenik and Knin were attacked by Italy, probably I missed others. Belgrade was attacked because it was the capital of Yugoslavian monarchy from which other nominal states were governed, so Nazis took this under their governance. Nedić was in charge for Serbia proper, chetniks didn't create much problems for Germans, monarchial government fled to London, Macek refused but sent Croatian ban Subasic instead, he was arrested and Pavelić from Italy was installed as Nedić. Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "That means that Serbia is similar to Croatia which also didn't technically didn't EVEN EXIST during the war. Thanks for proving my point."
But you said that Croatia was a country during WWII. So what exactly is your point? The only point one can conclude from your postings is that you are a liar. You lie so much that you contradict yourself. It's fun watching you try to untangle yourself from your web of lies. LOL
Here are just a couple of questions that I asked of icj1 the Serb-Hater that she chooses to ignore. I wonder why: "Croatia welcomed Hitler's Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. While the Nazis bombed Belgrade because the Serbs chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. Just a little difference, don't you think icj1?
Tell me, how many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb, since you claim the two scenarios are very similar? Please answer. Also, how many of your relatives welcomed Hitler into Zagreb? Please answer my little Serb-Hater."
Let see if it sinks in, but I doubt it. Serbia was a country before joining Yugoslavia, but after it was only a republic of that country.
The Germans took occupation of Serbia. Now listen to this very carefully. Serbia nor Serbs declared it to be judenfrei. The Germans were in charge and they did what they wanted. There were many decrees made in Holland, Belgium, France etc during the occupation relating to Jews or Roma too.
“Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia; and (ii) the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. Those exact criteria that you came up with apply to Croatia, too.”
Wrong. Do you ever get anything right? Or do you just blab on to hear yourself talk?
Croatia WAS NEVER OCCUPIED BY GERMANY. It ran its own administration unimpeded, but Serbia was occupied. What school did you go to? Albanian goat herding high?
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
(Mildred Green, 27 January 2018 18:47)
Next time when you open your mouth check your figures, Mackenzie left Bosnia in 1993 and Srebrenica occurred in 1995.
@icj1
May I point also to common event in all Nazi conquered countries that German minority or Volksdeutsche usually were used to perform infiltration through open support for German imperialism. In old Yugoslavia their number was around half of million, half of this in northern Croatian parts, likewise in Serbia (Zargeb - Slavonia, Belgrade - Vojvodina). They had special privileged status above Croats and Serbs in new administrations. They commonly viewed their places in Croatia and Serbia as part of German territory, like Bavaria or similar. It is very erroneus to use Nazi propaganda images of "support" in daily politics against each other.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(njegos, 27 January 2018 16:19)
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
playing word games
(njegos, 29 January 2018 15:13)
I'm not playing any word games, dear. You mentioned two criteria to justify Serbia being the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2; (i) Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia; and (ii) the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. Those exact criteria that you came up with apply to Croatia, too. If you now believe that your criteria were incorrect, feel free to say so and come up with new criteria.
the territory known as Croatia welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Serbs, Jews and Roma.
(ChiTown, 28 January 2018 13:30)
If your logic is followed, the territory known as Serbia also welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Jews, making Serbia the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei.
But if your Serb-hating logic is ignored and if normal logic is applied, just because some Serbs and some Croats welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them, that does not make Serbia and Croatia Nazi collaborators. Your logic is deeply offensive to the memory of the tens of thousands of Serbs and Croats who lost their lives under Nazi occupation.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "...the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII."
Again, our little Australian Ustasha offspring is playing word games. Croatia welcomed Hitler's Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. While the Nazis bombed Belgrade because the Serbs chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. Just a little difference, don't you think icj1?
Tell me, how many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb, since you claim the two scenarios are very similar? Please answer. Also, how many of your relatives welcomed Hitler into Zagreb? Please answer my little Serb-Hater.
The difference between NDH and Serbia during the 1940s is that Croatia was a willing participant while Serbia was an occupied region and the Germans could do whatever they wished. Milan Nedic was head of the constabulary, but German military documents show they ignored him. Yes, there were some who cooperated with the Germans, but overall Serbs were against the occupiers unlike NDH and their Catholic brothers in Ukraine. Both welcomed the Germans with open arms and both committed some of the most heinous crimes.
German records state that when German officers saw what the Croats were doing to Serbs they were sickened - imagine that Germans who ran extermination camps being sickened.
This is all on record. That’s why Croats are so dumb.
I am glad you mention the 5,000 since I recall at that time as Srebrenica was being surrounded there were 5,000 regular Bosniak troops near there and a corridor was opened for them and they crossed over to Serbia. They were put into buses and headed to Belgrade and other airfields where they were airlifted to various parts of the world.
One group came to Adelaide, South Australia. I recall as if the interview with these Bosniaks took place yesterday. The reporter did not turn off the sound as the men provided answers. They identified themselves and were surprised to see they were in Australia and wanted to return home. As the questions were asked in English the response was made in Serbian then translated to English. However, the English version later played on TV was totally different.
These are the men classified as “missing”. Thus, the Srebrenica myth. Robert Baer, former CIA officer, said as much on the “genocide” issue.
Old malevolent propaganda that equates Croatia with short term puppet state, despite the factography that shows different. For Dacic and his propaganda circle, it necessary to repeat Croatia = Ustasha even when they had partisan veteran generals on top of their army and politics facing towards Milosevic side. At the same time, deny and hide everything that happened in Serbia proper in the same period, support anti-Israel movements, vote for any pro-Palestinian question and aggresively exploit Jewish holocaust for your purposes, Jews will be blamed, right? Right.
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
Amazing! Not only are you ignorant, but you are delighted in promoting that ignorance with us LOL.
He didn't have anything on the game in the Balkans, but we all know who did - Clinton, Albright, Blair, etc....
(ChiTown, 28 January 2018 00:28)
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Are you referring to the book "Peacekeeper, the road to Sarajevo"?
I have that book. Interesting reading.
When Gen. Lewis Mackenzie was being replaced by a French general Philippe Morillon gen Mackenzie asked him what he thought of events and if he thought the Muslims were to blame for certain incidents. Gen Morillon simply replied that he has to live among them.
Here is an interesting piece to read:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-real-story-behind-srebrenica/article737584/
I have also read posts from Bosnian Muslims accusing Gen MacKenzie of having a steady supply of Muslim girls to "deflower" supplied to him by Serbs.
Outrageous claims are made against this man simply because he wants the truth to be told.
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
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No, "the same" does not apply to Croatia. Never did, never will.
The Ustashe's "declaration of independence" PRECEDED the Wehrmacht's entry to Zagreb by a few hours so, no, Croatia did NOT see the German "occupation" as part of Yugoslavia . By the time the first German troops rolled in, Croatia was already an enthusiastic and independent nazi state.
Unlike Croatia, which functioned as a more or less independent nazi state for the rest of the war, Serbia technically didn't EVEN EXIST during the war. It didn't have fixed territory, it did not have defined borders, it did not have legal status within the occupied Europe and it did not have diplomatic representation anywhere, Berlin included. In fact, it was unique in occupied Europe in the sense that the quasi-laws of the land were PERSONALLY ENACTED, ADJUDICATED AND ENFORCED by the German military command, a totally unique arrangement anywhere in the occupied Europe. Even the name of the occupied country reflected its sublegal status: under the German occupation, Serbia was known as "Territory of the Military Commander"
So, no. Croatian willing and enthusiastic nazism and Serbian "nazism" at the point of the German gun, noose and knife are not now, nor have they ever been morally or legally equal.
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So, I'd agree with you that both Vucic and Kolinda don't have to go the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred, but our dear friend ChiTown thinks differently, so you might want to sort it out with him/her!
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
The difference, my little cerebrally challenged one, is that the territory of Serbia was occupied by German Forces, whereas, the territory known as Croatia welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Serbs, Jews and Roma. Sorry snookums, you need to compare apples to apples, and not apples to pig roasts.
I think it can be safely assumed that a triple-humped camel in the 15th month of pregnancy with triplets is more likely to squeeze through the eye of a needle than the Croatian crime...er, prime minister to bow to the victims of the Holocaust, particularly the Serbian one.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(njegos, 27 January 2018 16:19)
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So, I'd agree with you that both Vucic and Kolinda don't have to go the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred, but our dear friend ChiTown thinks differently, so you might want to sort it out with him/her!
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:20)
So, you're talking about the Srebrenica Genocide
(ChiTown, 27 January 2018 19:24)
Yes dear, you got it... That's what the UN determined to have occurred, beyond any reasonable doubt.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
You can thank Germans and Croats for that
(Sieg Fail, 27 January 2018 16:59)
Croats were not in charge of Serbia's Government of National Salvation! Serbs were...
ChiTown,
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
(Mildred Green, 27 January 2018 18:47
I know it's difficult for you Mildred, but try to use some logic instead of listening to the Fake News agencies you mention above. Based on you commentary, I'll venture to say you watch CNN and CNBC, and you read the NY Times and Washington Post. General McKenzie was't relieved of his duties, but it was a mutually agreed upon decision. The reason why you ask! Well, this honorable gentlemen saw the evil being perpetrated against the Serbs and he didn't want to be a part of one of the biggest lies in the last century. The propaganda the US and NATO waged during the 90's even surpassed Hitler in the late 30' to early 40's - now that's impressive. When McKenzie started reporting the truth and making waves, his time there was cut short. Educate yourself Mildred, read his book. He didn't have anything on the game in the Balkans, but we all know who did - Clinton, Albright, Blair, etc....
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:20)
So, you're talking about the Srebrenica Genocide where they found a grave with ten corpses with unknown ethnicities, instead of the thousands reported by the US/West. Thanks for the clarification icj, your'e so kind to correct me on this.
Mark, is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West - nice try. Read the book authored by General McKenzie, who was there during this time, and you'll get the real story - as soon as he started providing the truth, he was removed from his duties. He has no ethnic ties to the Balkans, so his assessment is unbiased.
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
ChiTown,
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
Zlatko Hasanbegovic, an Ustasha sympathiser, is Croatia's culture minister. A new documentary about the Jasenovac death camp, slammed by Jews as an attempt to revise Croatia’s dark past, was praised by Hasanbegovic as “the best way to finally shed light on many controversial parts of Croatia’s historyâ€. Hasenegovic became a member of the extremist Croatia Liberation Movement, which had been founded by Croatian Nazis in Argentina after World War II. He contributed to the journal Independent State of Croatia, where he wrote about Ustashe as the “true heroes, martyrs and shaheeds who gave their lives for our Homeland,†describing their defeat by partisans led by Tito in 1945 as “the greatest national tragedy.â€
Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
You can thank Germans and Croats for that. Germans controlled Belgrade south and east of the Sava, while the NDH death camp at Sajmiste was just west of the Sava.
Two small little details you left out of your post.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!"
icj1 loves to play word games, but her above comment is inaccurate on many levels: First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So if Serbia, Belgrade or Yugoslavia for that matter declared themselves Judendrei, it was the occupying Nazi regime who icj's Ustasha relatives fought with hand in hand, controlled the area while Serb Chetniks, formerly the Serbian Army, resisted the combined Ustasha and Nazi fascists. Yet another attempt by icj1 to misguide the readers. Shameful!
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
I read a report that Croatia is planning on holding an exhibition on the Vukovar hospital patients and their fate at the hand of Serbs.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
Vukovar LOL. You mean all 200 from Vukovar? Your comparing Jasenovac with Vukovar? You guys cant be this silly playing with only one LOL.
Looking forward to see the Vukovar exhibition at the UN.
Croatia has nothing to apologise for, the Croatians of today have nothing to do with the past. Serbs love guilt tripping others but refuse to own up to their own crimes. Pathetic slimy bunch just like the Jevvs and backstabbing Gypos.
Not good enough since there were plenty of serbs left to kick your a.s not to long ago. End there is plenty of serbs left to do it again...and again....and again.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred along with the Serbs and Roma. Actually, Israel should demand this from Nazi/Croatia!!!
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47) Croatian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58A8BfmWhg0 President Kolinada Grabar did!
PM Plenković visited Yad Vashem last year, but I guess it isn't enough.
(Croatian ultra-nationalist, 26 January 2018 17:05)
Nope, not enough. You need to send that hateful and divisive Cow there since she's the main representative of you country, and she need to learn a lesson in manners and to be a little humble - and, not spew her anti-Serb and pro-Nazi/Ustasa agenda.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred along with the Serbs and Roma. Actually, Israel should demand this from Nazi/Croatia!!!
They did a great job with the serbs though
(www, 26 January 2018 13:16)
They couldn't have done that good of a job when the victims are alive to tell the story and attempts at denial are as weak as your attempt at trolling.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
Mark, is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West - nice try. Read the book authored by General McKenzie, who was there during this time, and you'll get the real story - as soon as he started providing the truth, he was removed from his duties. He has no ethnic ties to the Balkans, so his assessment is unbiased.
"On Thursday, Croatia accused Serbia of trying to 'distort history, manipulate, and disseminate false information'."
I thought that's what happens when Croatia celebrates Operation Storm every August with neo-Nazi rallies and Thompson concerts full of Australian and American diaspora giving the Hitler salute and shouting "Za dom spremni". I thought that's what happens when the Croatian government tries to relativize the NDH by passing it off as an expression of national patriotism and uses pseudo-academics like Hasanbegovic to argue Jasenovac was simply a labor camp.
I read a report that Croatia is planning on holding an exhibition on the Vukovar hospital patients and their fate at the hand of Serbs.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
I MIND MEMORIZING THE VICTIMS AND THE MURDERERS IN WHOLESALE GRAVES. NEXT STEP WILL BE EQUALIZING HITLER AND STALIN. I AM READY TO CLOSE THOSE PAGES OF THE DISASTER BUT LET THEM EXPLAIN WHAT WERE THE USTASHAS DOING IN STALINGRRAD - 2500 MILES AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2bGILbgyg
SAME ABOUT THE JASENOVAC CAMP.
HOW CAN WE MEMORIZE THEM IN ONE PRAYOR ?
they do this because they think this is directed against "croatia and everything croatian". croats are paranoid and think that everyone is against them, that's why there were some stupid reactions from there.
People who speak up against this exhibit should be shamed. They were fine about blasting Serbia for the crimes of some of its citizens during the 1990s, but when it comes to the deaths of many multiple thousands in a concentration camp during WWII, not this cannot be done. Why, I ask? Do not the victims of Fascism deserve respect? Did Serbs, Jews, and Roma deserve to die during that period? Ethnic hatred must stop, and it stops by respecting the past so that it cannot happen again. I can't wait to visit this exhibition!
"On Thursday, Croatia accused Serbia of trying to 'distort history, manipulate, and disseminate false information'."
I thought that's what happens when Croatia celebrates Operation Storm every August with neo-Nazi rallies and Thompson concerts full of Australian and American diaspora giving the Hitler salute and shouting "Za dom spremni". I thought that's what happens when the Croatian government tries to relativize the NDH by passing it off as an expression of national patriotism and uses pseudo-academics like Hasanbegovic to argue Jasenovac was simply a labor camp.
People who speak up against this exhibit should be shamed. They were fine about blasting Serbia for the crimes of some of its citizens during the 1990s, but when it comes to the deaths of many multiple thousands in a concentration camp during WWII, not this cannot be done. Why, I ask? Do not the victims of Fascism deserve respect? Did Serbs, Jews, and Roma deserve to die during that period? Ethnic hatred must stop, and it stops by respecting the past so that it cannot happen again. I can't wait to visit this exhibition!
They did a great job with the serbs though
(www, 26 January 2018 13:16)
They couldn't have done that good of a job when the victims are alive to tell the story and attempts at denial are as weak as your attempt at trolling.
they do this because they think this is directed against "croatia and everything croatian". croats are paranoid and think that everyone is against them, that's why there were some stupid reactions from there.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
Mark, is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West - nice try. Read the book authored by General McKenzie, who was there during this time, and you'll get the real story - as soon as he started providing the truth, he was removed from his duties. He has no ethnic ties to the Balkans, so his assessment is unbiased.
Not good enough since there were plenty of serbs left to kick your a.s not to long ago. End there is plenty of serbs left to do it again...and again....and again.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred along with the Serbs and Roma. Actually, Israel should demand this from Nazi/Croatia!!!
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred along with the Serbs and Roma. Actually, Israel should demand this from Nazi/Croatia!!!
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47) Croatian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58A8BfmWhg0 President Kolinada Grabar did!
Croatia has nothing to apologise for, the Croatians of today have nothing to do with the past. Serbs love guilt tripping others but refuse to own up to their own crimes. Pathetic slimy bunch just like the Jevvs and backstabbing Gypos.
PM Plenković visited Yad Vashem last year, but I guess it isn't enough.
(Croatian ultra-nationalist, 26 January 2018 17:05)
Nope, not enough. You need to send that hateful and divisive Cow there since she's the main representative of you country, and she need to learn a lesson in manners and to be a little humble - and, not spew her anti-Serb and pro-Nazi/Ustasa agenda.
I read a report that Croatia is planning on holding an exhibition on the Vukovar hospital patients and their fate at the hand of Serbs.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
I read a report that Croatia is planning on holding an exhibition on the Vukovar hospital patients and their fate at the hand of Serbs.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
Vukovar LOL. You mean all 200 from Vukovar? Your comparing Jasenovac with Vukovar? You guys cant be this silly playing with only one LOL.
Looking forward to see the Vukovar exhibition at the UN.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
You can thank Germans and Croats for that. Germans controlled Belgrade south and east of the Sava, while the NDH death camp at Sajmiste was just west of the Sava.
Two small little details you left out of your post.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!"
icj1 loves to play word games, but her above comment is inaccurate on many levels: First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So if Serbia, Belgrade or Yugoslavia for that matter declared themselves Judendrei, it was the occupying Nazi regime who icj's Ustasha relatives fought with hand in hand, controlled the area while Serb Chetniks, formerly the Serbian Army, resisted the combined Ustasha and Nazi fascists. Yet another attempt by icj1 to misguide the readers. Shameful!
Zlatko Hasanbegovic, an Ustasha sympathiser, is Croatia's culture minister. A new documentary about the Jasenovac death camp, slammed by Jews as an attempt to revise Croatia’s dark past, was praised by Hasanbegovic as “the best way to finally shed light on many controversial parts of Croatia’s historyâ€. Hasenegovic became a member of the extremist Croatia Liberation Movement, which had been founded by Croatian Nazis in Argentina after World War II. He contributed to the journal Independent State of Croatia, where he wrote about Ustashe as the “true heroes, martyrs and shaheeds who gave their lives for our Homeland,†describing their defeat by partisans led by Tito in 1945 as “the greatest national tragedy.â€
Mark, is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West - nice try. Read the book authored by General McKenzie, who was there during this time, and you'll get the real story - as soon as he started providing the truth, he was removed from his duties. He has no ethnic ties to the Balkans, so his assessment is unbiased.
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
ChiTown,
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:20)
So, you're talking about the Srebrenica Genocide
(ChiTown, 27 January 2018 19:24)
Yes dear, you got it... That's what the UN determined to have occurred, beyond any reasonable doubt.
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:20)
So, you're talking about the Srebrenica Genocide where they found a grave with ten corpses with unknown ethnicities, instead of the thousands reported by the US/West. Thanks for the clarification icj, your'e so kind to correct me on this.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
You can thank Germans and Croats for that
(Sieg Fail, 27 January 2018 16:59)
Croats were not in charge of Serbia's Government of National Salvation! Serbs were...
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(njegos, 27 January 2018 16:19)
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So, I'd agree with you that both Vucic and Kolinda don't have to go the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred, but our dear friend ChiTown thinks differently, so you might want to sort it out with him/her!
I think it can be safely assumed that a triple-humped camel in the 15th month of pregnancy with triplets is more likely to squeeze through the eye of a needle than the Croatian crime...er, prime minister to bow to the victims of the Holocaust, particularly the Serbian one.
Old malevolent propaganda that equates Croatia with short term puppet state, despite the factography that shows different. For Dacic and his propaganda circle, it necessary to repeat Croatia = Ustasha even when they had partisan veteran generals on top of their army and politics facing towards Milosevic side. At the same time, deny and hide everything that happened in Serbia proper in the same period, support anti-Israel movements, vote for any pro-Palestinian question and aggresively exploit Jewish holocaust for your purposes, Jews will be blamed, right? Right.
ChiTown,
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
(Mildred Green, 27 January 2018 18:47
I know it's difficult for you Mildred, but try to use some logic instead of listening to the Fake News agencies you mention above. Based on you commentary, I'll venture to say you watch CNN and CNBC, and you read the NY Times and Washington Post. General McKenzie was't relieved of his duties, but it was a mutually agreed upon decision. The reason why you ask! Well, this honorable gentlemen saw the evil being perpetrated against the Serbs and he didn't want to be a part of one of the biggest lies in the last century. The propaganda the US and NATO waged during the 90's even surpassed Hitler in the late 30' to early 40's - now that's impressive. When McKenzie started reporting the truth and making waves, his time there was cut short. Educate yourself Mildred, read his book. He didn't have anything on the game in the Balkans, but we all know who did - Clinton, Albright, Blair, etc....
Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april, airfield and surroundings in front of Zagreb, there were also other cities dont recall now which, Split, Šibenik and Knin were attacked by Italy, probably I missed others. Belgrade was attacked because it was the capital of Yugoslavian monarchy from which other nominal states were governed, so Nazis took this under their governance. Nedić was in charge for Serbia proper, chetniks didn't create much problems for Germans, monarchial government fled to London, Macek refused but sent Croatian ban Subasic instead, he was arrested and Pavelić from Italy was installed as Nedić. Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
I MIND MEMORIZING THE VICTIMS AND THE MURDERERS IN WHOLESALE GRAVES. NEXT STEP WILL BE EQUALIZING HITLER AND STALIN. I AM READY TO CLOSE THOSE PAGES OF THE DISASTER BUT LET THEM EXPLAIN WHAT WERE THE USTASHAS DOING IN STALINGRRAD - 2500 MILES AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2bGILbgyg
SAME ABOUT THE JASENOVAC CAMP.
HOW CAN WE MEMORIZE THEM IN ONE PRAYOR ?
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
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No, "the same" does not apply to Croatia. Never did, never will.
The Ustashe's "declaration of independence" PRECEDED the Wehrmacht's entry to Zagreb by a few hours so, no, Croatia did NOT see the German "occupation" as part of Yugoslavia . By the time the first German troops rolled in, Croatia was already an enthusiastic and independent nazi state.
Unlike Croatia, which functioned as a more or less independent nazi state for the rest of the war, Serbia technically didn't EVEN EXIST during the war. It didn't have fixed territory, it did not have defined borders, it did not have legal status within the occupied Europe and it did not have diplomatic representation anywhere, Berlin included. In fact, it was unique in occupied Europe in the sense that the quasi-laws of the land were PERSONALLY ENACTED, ADJUDICATED AND ENFORCED by the German military command, a totally unique arrangement anywhere in the occupied Europe. Even the name of the occupied country reflected its sublegal status: under the German occupation, Serbia was known as "Territory of the Military Commander"
So, no. Croatian willing and enthusiastic nazism and Serbian "nazism" at the point of the German gun, noose and knife are not now, nor have they ever been morally or legally equal.
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So, I'd agree with you that both Vucic and Kolinda don't have to go the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred, but our dear friend ChiTown thinks differently, so you might want to sort it out with him/her!
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
The difference, my little cerebrally challenged one, is that the territory of Serbia was occupied by German Forces, whereas, the territory known as Croatia welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Serbs, Jews and Roma. Sorry snookums, you need to compare apples to apples, and not apples to pig roasts.
the territory known as Croatia welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Serbs, Jews and Roma.
(ChiTown, 28 January 2018 13:30)
If your logic is followed, the territory known as Serbia also welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Jews, making Serbia the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei.
But if your Serb-hating logic is ignored and if normal logic is applied, just because some Serbs and some Croats welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them, that does not make Serbia and Croatia Nazi collaborators. Your logic is deeply offensive to the memory of the tens of thousands of Serbs and Croats who lost their lives under Nazi occupation.
The difference between NDH and Serbia during the 1940s is that Croatia was a willing participant while Serbia was an occupied region and the Germans could do whatever they wished. Milan Nedic was head of the constabulary, but German military documents show they ignored him. Yes, there were some who cooperated with the Germans, but overall Serbs were against the occupiers unlike NDH and their Catholic brothers in Ukraine. Both welcomed the Germans with open arms and both committed some of the most heinous crimes.
German records state that when German officers saw what the Croats were doing to Serbs they were sickened - imagine that Germans who ran extermination camps being sickened.
This is all on record. That’s why Croats are so dumb.
Let see if it sinks in, but I doubt it. Serbia was a country before joining Yugoslavia, but after it was only a republic of that country.
The Germans took occupation of Serbia. Now listen to this very carefully. Serbia nor Serbs declared it to be judenfrei. The Germans were in charge and they did what they wanted. There were many decrees made in Holland, Belgium, France etc during the occupation relating to Jews or Roma too.
“Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia; and (ii) the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. Those exact criteria that you came up with apply to Croatia, too.”
Wrong. Do you ever get anything right? Or do you just blab on to hear yourself talk?
Croatia WAS NEVER OCCUPIED BY GERMANY. It ran its own administration unimpeded, but Serbia was occupied. What school did you go to? Albanian goat herding high?
Here are just a couple of questions that I asked of icj1 the Serb-Hater that she chooses to ignore. I wonder why: "Croatia welcomed Hitler's Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. While the Nazis bombed Belgrade because the Serbs chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. Just a little difference, don't you think icj1?
Tell me, how many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb, since you claim the two scenarios are very similar? Please answer. Also, how many of your relatives welcomed Hitler into Zagreb? Please answer my little Serb-Hater."
So, revisionism is most notorious factography that territory of modern day Croatia and BiH was divided into OCCUPATIONAL ZONES of Italy and Germany? But here one can read that Croatia was not occupied but "independent", which is - a revisionist claim. And you sir, mr. njegos, fit into a description of something with 5 letters. Stop dehumanizing Croatians because of some death squads appointed by a terrorist group no one wanted except Mussolini and Hitler.
He didn't have anything on the game in the Balkans, but we all know who did - Clinton, Albright, Blair, etc....
(ChiTown, 28 January 2018 00:28)
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Are you referring to the book "Peacekeeper, the road to Sarajevo"?
I have that book. Interesting reading.
When Gen. Lewis Mackenzie was being replaced by a French general Philippe Morillon gen Mackenzie asked him what he thought of events and if he thought the Muslims were to blame for certain incidents. Gen Morillon simply replied that he has to live among them.
Here is an interesting piece to read:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-real-story-behind-srebrenica/article737584/
I have also read posts from Bosnian Muslims accusing Gen MacKenzie of having a steady supply of Muslim girls to "deflower" supplied to him by Serbs.
Outrageous claims are made against this man simply because he wants the truth to be told.
I am glad you mention the 5,000 since I recall at that time as Srebrenica was being surrounded there were 5,000 regular Bosniak troops near there and a corridor was opened for them and they crossed over to Serbia. They were put into buses and headed to Belgrade and other airfields where they were airlifted to various parts of the world.
One group came to Adelaide, South Australia. I recall as if the interview with these Bosniaks took place yesterday. The reporter did not turn off the sound as the men provided answers. They identified themselves and were surprised to see they were in Australia and wanted to return home. As the questions were asked in English the response was made in Serbian then translated to English. However, the English version later played on TV was totally different.
These are the men classified as “missing”. Thus, the Srebrenica myth. Robert Baer, former CIA officer, said as much on the “genocide” issue.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "...the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII."
Again, our little Australian Ustasha offspring is playing word games. Croatia welcomed Hitler's Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. While the Nazis bombed Belgrade because the Serbs chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. Just a little difference, don't you think icj1?
Tell me, how many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb, since you claim the two scenarios are very similar? Please answer. Also, how many of your relatives welcomed Hitler into Zagreb? Please answer my little Serb-Hater.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(njegos, 27 January 2018 16:19)
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
playing word games
(njegos, 29 January 2018 15:13)
I'm not playing any word games, dear. You mentioned two criteria to justify Serbia being the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2; (i) Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia; and (ii) the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. Those exact criteria that you came up with apply to Croatia, too. If you now believe that your criteria were incorrect, feel free to say so and come up with new criteria.
@icj1
May I point also to common event in all Nazi conquered countries that German minority or Volksdeutsche usually were used to perform infiltration through open support for German imperialism. In old Yugoslavia their number was around half of million, half of this in northern Croatian parts, likewise in Serbia (Zargeb - Slavonia, Belgrade - Vojvodina). They had special privileged status above Croats and Serbs in new administrations. They commonly viewed their places in Croatia and Serbia as part of German territory, like Bavaria or similar. It is very erroneus to use Nazi propaganda images of "support" in daily politics against each other.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "That means that Serbia is similar to Croatia which also didn't technically didn't EVEN EXIST during the war. Thanks for proving my point."
But you said that Croatia was a country during WWII. So what exactly is your point? The only point one can conclude from your postings is that you are a liar. You lie so much that you contradict yourself. It's fun watching you try to untangle yourself from your web of lies. LOL
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
Amazing! Not only are you ignorant, but you are delighted in promoting that ignorance with us LOL.
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
(Mildred Green, 27 January 2018 18:47)
Next time when you open your mouth check your figures, Mackenzie left Bosnia in 1993 and Srebrenica occurred in 1995.
From mt (another revisionist): "...Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april..."
Go back and read the question mt, "How many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb?" Allow me to answer before you burst the one brain cell you have, ZERO. That's because the Croats were part of the Axis and as such, their most willing butchers, as was evidenced at Jasenovac among other places in the NDH during WWII. The French have a saying for Croats: They are brave people not because they are fearless, but rather because they have no shame. You fit the description perfectly.
Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
(mt, 30 January 2018 16:40)
Macek was never in a concentration camp, but under house arrest. The Germans as asked Macek to lead Croatia before Pavelic, he refused with good reason.
Still waiting for answers to my questions icj1. You've reverted to your old worn out behavior of deflecting, obfuscating and running away. Still waiting, and waiting, and waiting....
Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april, airfield and surroundings in front of Zagreb, there were also other cities dont recall now which, Split, Šibenik and Knin were attacked by Italy, probably I missed others. Belgrade was attacked because it was the capital of Yugoslavian monarchy from which other nominal states were governed, so Nazis took this under their governance. Nedić was in charge for Serbia proper, chetniks didn't create much problems for Germans, monarchial government fled to London, Macek refused but sent Croatian ban Subasic instead, he was arrested and Pavelić from Italy was installed as Nedić. Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
(mt, 30 January 2018 16:40)
mt: One bomb accidentally dislodging from a Messerschmidt doesn't not a bombing campaign make - that is, on the Nazi Puppet Ustasa State Croatia....
I have vacationed in both Serbia and Croatia, and known Serbs and Croats from academia and at work.
Serbs are simple people who call spade a spade; Croats think themselves are more sophisticated who may not call spade a spade.
Serbs make best friends, Croats make worst enemy.
From tm: "Stop dehumanizing Croatians because of some death squads appointed by a terrorist group no one wanted except Mussolini and Hitler."
What's wrong tm, is the truth too hard to take? In your above comment you state that non one except Mussolini and Hitler wanted these death squads. Croatians were very willing participants in this killing orgy. Your catholic cardinal Stepinac even sanctioned this blood bath and forcible conversions. 700,000+ Serbs weren't slaughtered in the most barbaric ways because nobody wanted these death squads. And today's Croatians like yourself, Dwight, icj1 and others attempt to minimize these crimes in hopes that the unknowing reader will believe your revisionist claims. Not hardly.
I have not attempted to minimize any crimes, dear, but I have exposed the hatred towards Serbs that some people like you harbour.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:44)
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You really should get off that sh!t.
Today's Croatia has nothing to do with yesterday's Jasenovac?
why your PM bows in Israel?
When people are poisoned with hatred, they surely lose common sense.
Today's Croatia has nothing to do with yesterday's Jasenovac?
why your PM bows in Israel?
When people are poisoned with hatred, they surely lose common sense.
(rivernextdoor, 31 January 2018 18:58)
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Yes this generation has nothing to do with Jasenovac but how about Oluja? They would repeat Jasenovac in a heartbeat if they could.
Psycho killers would never apologize to their victims unless the victims are perceived stronger than them.
Croatia PM's bows in Israel approves it once again.
Therefore don't dream it, Dacic....
Croatia has nothing to apologise for, the Croatians of today have nothing to do with the past. Serbs love guilt tripping others but refuse to own up to their own crimes. Pathetic slimy bunch just like the Jevvs and backstabbing Gypos.
I read a report that Croatia is planning on holding an exhibition on the Vukovar hospital patients and their fate at the hand of Serbs.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
Mark, is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West - nice try. Read the book authored by General McKenzie, who was there during this time, and you'll get the real story - as soon as he started providing the truth, he was removed from his duties. He has no ethnic ties to the Balkans, so his assessment is unbiased.
Not good enough since there were plenty of serbs left to kick your a.s not to long ago. End there is plenty of serbs left to do it again...and again....and again.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:20)
So, you're talking about the Srebrenica Genocide where they found a grave with ten corpses with unknown ethnicities, instead of the thousands reported by the US/West. Thanks for the clarification icj, your'e so kind to correct me on this.
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
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No, "the same" does not apply to Croatia. Never did, never will.
The Ustashe's "declaration of independence" PRECEDED the Wehrmacht's entry to Zagreb by a few hours so, no, Croatia did NOT see the German "occupation" as part of Yugoslavia . By the time the first German troops rolled in, Croatia was already an enthusiastic and independent nazi state.
Unlike Croatia, which functioned as a more or less independent nazi state for the rest of the war, Serbia technically didn't EVEN EXIST during the war. It didn't have fixed territory, it did not have defined borders, it did not have legal status within the occupied Europe and it did not have diplomatic representation anywhere, Berlin included. In fact, it was unique in occupied Europe in the sense that the quasi-laws of the land were PERSONALLY ENACTED, ADJUDICATED AND ENFORCED by the German military command, a totally unique arrangement anywhere in the occupied Europe. Even the name of the occupied country reflected its sublegal status: under the German occupation, Serbia was known as "Territory of the Military Commander"
So, no. Croatian willing and enthusiastic nazism and Serbian "nazism" at the point of the German gun, noose and knife are not now, nor have they ever been morally or legally equal.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
ChiTown,
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
(Mildred Green, 27 January 2018 18:47
I know it's difficult for you Mildred, but try to use some logic instead of listening to the Fake News agencies you mention above. Based on you commentary, I'll venture to say you watch CNN and CNBC, and you read the NY Times and Washington Post. General McKenzie was't relieved of his duties, but it was a mutually agreed upon decision. The reason why you ask! Well, this honorable gentlemen saw the evil being perpetrated against the Serbs and he didn't want to be a part of one of the biggest lies in the last century. The propaganda the US and NATO waged during the 90's even surpassed Hitler in the late 30' to early 40's - now that's impressive. When McKenzie started reporting the truth and making waves, his time there was cut short. Educate yourself Mildred, read his book. He didn't have anything on the game in the Balkans, but we all know who did - Clinton, Albright, Blair, etc....
The difference between NDH and Serbia during the 1940s is that Croatia was a willing participant while Serbia was an occupied region and the Germans could do whatever they wished. Milan Nedic was head of the constabulary, but German military documents show they ignored him. Yes, there were some who cooperated with the Germans, but overall Serbs were against the occupiers unlike NDH and their Catholic brothers in Ukraine. Both welcomed the Germans with open arms and both committed some of the most heinous crimes.
German records state that when German officers saw what the Croats were doing to Serbs they were sickened - imagine that Germans who ran extermination camps being sickened.
This is all on record. That’s why Croats are so dumb.
I MIND MEMORIZING THE VICTIMS AND THE MURDERERS IN WHOLESALE GRAVES. NEXT STEP WILL BE EQUALIZING HITLER AND STALIN. I AM READY TO CLOSE THOSE PAGES OF THE DISASTER BUT LET THEM EXPLAIN WHAT WERE THE USTASHAS DOING IN STALINGRRAD - 2500 MILES AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2bGILbgyg
SAME ABOUT THE JASENOVAC CAMP.
HOW CAN WE MEMORIZE THEM IN ONE PRAYOR ?
"On Thursday, Croatia accused Serbia of trying to 'distort history, manipulate, and disseminate false information'."
I thought that's what happens when Croatia celebrates Operation Storm every August with neo-Nazi rallies and Thompson concerts full of Australian and American diaspora giving the Hitler salute and shouting "Za dom spremni". I thought that's what happens when the Croatian government tries to relativize the NDH by passing it off as an expression of national patriotism and uses pseudo-academics like Hasanbegovic to argue Jasenovac was simply a labor camp.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred along with the Serbs and Roma. Actually, Israel should demand this from Nazi/Croatia!!!
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47) Croatian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58A8BfmWhg0 President Kolinada Grabar did!
I read a report that Croatia is planning on holding an exhibition on the Vukovar hospital patients and their fate at the hand of Serbs.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
Vukovar LOL. You mean all 200 from Vukovar? Your comparing Jasenovac with Vukovar? You guys cant be this silly playing with only one LOL.
Looking forward to see the Vukovar exhibition at the UN.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!"
icj1 loves to play word games, but her above comment is inaccurate on many levels: First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So if Serbia, Belgrade or Yugoslavia for that matter declared themselves Judendrei, it was the occupying Nazi regime who icj's Ustasha relatives fought with hand in hand, controlled the area while Serb Chetniks, formerly the Serbian Army, resisted the combined Ustasha and Nazi fascists. Yet another attempt by icj1 to misguide the readers. Shameful!
Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
You can thank Germans and Croats for that. Germans controlled Belgrade south and east of the Sava, while the NDH death camp at Sajmiste was just west of the Sava.
Two small little details you left out of your post.
People who speak up against this exhibit should be shamed. They were fine about blasting Serbia for the crimes of some of its citizens during the 1990s, but when it comes to the deaths of many multiple thousands in a concentration camp during WWII, not this cannot be done. Why, I ask? Do not the victims of Fascism deserve respect? Did Serbs, Jews, and Roma deserve to die during that period? Ethnic hatred must stop, and it stops by respecting the past so that it cannot happen again. I can't wait to visit this exhibition!
PM Plenković visited Yad Vashem last year, but I guess it isn't enough.
(Croatian ultra-nationalist, 26 January 2018 17:05)
Nope, not enough. You need to send that hateful and divisive Cow there since she's the main representative of you country, and she need to learn a lesson in manners and to be a little humble - and, not spew her anti-Serb and pro-Nazi/Ustasa agenda.
Mark, is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West - nice try. Read the book authored by General McKenzie, who was there during this time, and you'll get the real story - as soon as he started providing the truth, he was removed from his duties. He has no ethnic ties to the Balkans, so his assessment is unbiased.
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
ChiTown,
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(njegos, 27 January 2018 16:19)
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So, I'd agree with you that both Vucic and Kolinda don't have to go the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred, but our dear friend ChiTown thinks differently, so you might want to sort it out with him/her!
I think it can be safely assumed that a triple-humped camel in the 15th month of pregnancy with triplets is more likely to squeeze through the eye of a needle than the Croatian crime...er, prime minister to bow to the victims of the Holocaust, particularly the Serbian one.
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
Amazing! Not only are you ignorant, but you are delighted in promoting that ignorance with us LOL.
I am glad you mention the 5,000 since I recall at that time as Srebrenica was being surrounded there were 5,000 regular Bosniak troops near there and a corridor was opened for them and they crossed over to Serbia. They were put into buses and headed to Belgrade and other airfields where they were airlifted to various parts of the world.
One group came to Adelaide, South Australia. I recall as if the interview with these Bosniaks took place yesterday. The reporter did not turn off the sound as the men provided answers. They identified themselves and were surprised to see they were in Australia and wanted to return home. As the questions were asked in English the response was made in Serbian then translated to English. However, the English version later played on TV was totally different.
These are the men classified as “missing”. Thus, the Srebrenica myth. Robert Baer, former CIA officer, said as much on the “genocide” issue.
they do this because they think this is directed against "croatia and everything croatian". croats are paranoid and think that everyone is against them, that's why there were some stupid reactions from there.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred along with the Serbs and Roma. Actually, Israel should demand this from Nazi/Croatia!!!
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. So, I'd agree with you that both Vucic and Kolinda don't have to go the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred, but our dear friend ChiTown thinks differently, so you might want to sort it out with him/her!
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
The difference, my little cerebrally challenged one, is that the territory of Serbia was occupied by German Forces, whereas, the territory known as Croatia welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Serbs, Jews and Roma. Sorry snookums, you need to compare apples to apples, and not apples to pig roasts.
He didn't have anything on the game in the Balkans, but we all know who did - Clinton, Albright, Blair, etc....
(ChiTown, 28 January 2018 00:28)
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Are you referring to the book "Peacekeeper, the road to Sarajevo"?
I have that book. Interesting reading.
When Gen. Lewis Mackenzie was being replaced by a French general Philippe Morillon gen Mackenzie asked him what he thought of events and if he thought the Muslims were to blame for certain incidents. Gen Morillon simply replied that he has to live among them.
Here is an interesting piece to read:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-real-story-behind-srebrenica/article737584/
I have also read posts from Bosnian Muslims accusing Gen MacKenzie of having a steady supply of Muslim girls to "deflower" supplied to him by Serbs.
Outrageous claims are made against this man simply because he wants the truth to be told.
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "...the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII."
Again, our little Australian Ustasha offspring is playing word games. Croatia welcomed Hitler's Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. While the Nazis bombed Belgrade because the Serbs chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. Just a little difference, don't you think icj1?
Tell me, how many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb, since you claim the two scenarios are very similar? Please answer. Also, how many of your relatives welcomed Hitler into Zagreb? Please answer my little Serb-Hater.
They are also encouraging an exhibition of the Srebrenica genocide with video clips of Vucic’s speeches during the 1990’s where he demands 100 dead muslins for every Serb killed.
Things are going to interesting at the UN
(Mark.W, 26 January 2018 14:02)
is this the same Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 15:06)
There does not exist any Srebrenica Massacre Hoax perpetrated by the West, dear. That is just a fantasy of yours. Mark wrote about the Srebrenica genocide which, according to the UN, was perpetrated by members of the VRS in Srebrenica in 1995.
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:20)
So, you're talking about the Srebrenica Genocide
(ChiTown, 27 January 2018 19:24)
Yes dear, you got it... That's what the UN determined to have occurred, beyond any reasonable doubt.
Let see if it sinks in, but I doubt it. Serbia was a country before joining Yugoslavia, but after it was only a republic of that country.
The Germans took occupation of Serbia. Now listen to this very carefully. Serbia nor Serbs declared it to be judenfrei. The Germans were in charge and they did what they wanted. There were many decrees made in Holland, Belgium, France etc during the occupation relating to Jews or Roma too.
“Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia; and (ii) the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. Those exact criteria that you came up with apply to Croatia, too.”
Wrong. Do you ever get anything right? Or do you just blab on to hear yourself talk?
Croatia WAS NEVER OCCUPIED BY GERMANY. It ran its own administration unimpeded, but Serbia was occupied. What school did you go to? Albanian goat herding high?
From mt (another revisionist): "...Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april..."
Go back and read the question mt, "How many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb?" Allow me to answer before you burst the one brain cell you have, ZERO. That's because the Croats were part of the Axis and as such, their most willing butchers, as was evidenced at Jasenovac among other places in the NDH during WWII. The French have a saying for Croats: They are brave people not because they are fearless, but rather because they have no shame. You fit the description perfectly.
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
You can thank Germans and Croats for that
(Sieg Fail, 27 January 2018 16:59)
Croats were not in charge of Serbia's Government of National Salvation! Serbs were...
Here are just a couple of questions that I asked of icj1 the Serb-Hater that she chooses to ignore. I wonder why: "Croatia welcomed Hitler's Nazis into Zagreb with a parade. While the Nazis bombed Belgrade because the Serbs chose to resist the Nazis against insurmountable odds. Just a little difference, don't you think icj1?
Tell me, how many Nazi bombs fell on Zagreb, since you claim the two scenarios are very similar? Please answer. Also, how many of your relatives welcomed Hitler into Zagreb? Please answer my little Serb-Hater."
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "That means that Serbia is similar to Croatia which also didn't technically didn't EVEN EXIST during the war. Thanks for proving my point."
But you said that Croatia was a country during WWII. So what exactly is your point? The only point one can conclude from your postings is that you are a liar. You lie so much that you contradict yourself. It's fun watching you try to untangle yourself from your web of lies. LOL
General McKenzie was relieved of his duties because he lied in an attempt to cover up the Genocide at Srebrenica committed by Bosnian Serbs under the malevolent Mladic. Why else would Mladic have hidden like a rat for over 10 years with the assistance of the Serb people. Today we call Mckenzie's lie Fake News.
(Mildred Green, 27 January 2018 18:47)
Next time when you open your mouth check your figures, Mackenzie left Bosnia in 1993 and Srebrenica occurred in 1995.
From tm: "Stop dehumanizing Croatians because of some death squads appointed by a terrorist group no one wanted except Mussolini and Hitler."
What's wrong tm, is the truth too hard to take? In your above comment you state that non one except Mussolini and Hitler wanted these death squads. Croatians were very willing participants in this killing orgy. Your catholic cardinal Stepinac even sanctioned this blood bath and forcible conversions. 700,000+ Serbs weren't slaughtered in the most barbaric ways because nobody wanted these death squads. And today's Croatians like yourself, Dwight, icj1 and others attempt to minimize these crimes in hopes that the unknowing reader will believe your revisionist claims. Not hardly.
Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
(mt, 30 January 2018 16:40)
Macek was never in a concentration camp, but under house arrest. The Germans as asked Macek to lead Croatia before Pavelic, he refused with good reason.
They did a great job with the serbs though
(www, 26 January 2018 13:16)
They couldn't have done that good of a job when the victims are alive to tell the story and attempts at denial are as weak as your attempt at trolling.
Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april, airfield and surroundings in front of Zagreb, there were also other cities dont recall now which, Split, Šibenik and Knin were attacked by Italy, probably I missed others. Belgrade was attacked because it was the capital of Yugoslavian monarchy from which other nominal states were governed, so Nazis took this under their governance. Nedić was in charge for Serbia proper, chetniks didn't create much problems for Germans, monarchial government fled to London, Macek refused but sent Croatian ban Subasic instead, he was arrested and Pavelić from Italy was installed as Nedić. Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
I have vacationed in both Serbia and Croatia, and known Serbs and Croats from academia and at work.
Serbs are simple people who call spade a spade; Croats think themselves are more sophisticated who may not call spade a spade.
Serbs make best friends, Croats make worst enemy.
Actually Croatia was bombed from 6th april, airfield and surroundings in front of Zagreb, there were also other cities dont recall now which, Split, Šibenik and Knin were attacked by Italy, probably I missed others. Belgrade was attacked because it was the capital of Yugoslavian monarchy from which other nominal states were governed, so Nazis took this under their governance. Nedić was in charge for Serbia proper, chetniks didn't create much problems for Germans, monarchial government fled to London, Macek refused but sent Croatian ban Subasic instead, he was arrested and Pavelić from Italy was installed as Nedić. Macek ended up in concentration camp for 5-6 months, came out in worse condition than Lindsey Lohan, Germans and Italians held together up to 200 000 soldiers in Croatian territory in changeable proportions over the years. In Serbia there was no significant German army except police etc.
(mt, 30 January 2018 16:40)
mt: One bomb accidentally dislodging from a Messerschmidt doesn't not a bombing campaign make - that is, on the Nazi Puppet Ustasa State Croatia....
Kolinda should also go to the Waling Wall in Jerusalem and bow for all the Jews that were massacred
(ChiTown, 26 January 2018 16:47)
Sure, after Vucic does that first, since Serbia was the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation!
(icj1, 27 January 2018 03:27)
First, Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(njegos, 27 January 2018 16:19)
Sure, and the same applies to Croatia, too. First, Croatia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia. Secondly, the republic of Croatia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII.
(icj1, 28 January 2018 02:42)
playing word games
(njegos, 29 January 2018 15:13)
I'm not playing any word games, dear. You mentioned two criteria to justify Serbia being the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2; (i) Serbia wasn't a country, but was part of Yugoslavia; and (ii) the republic of Serbia was occupied by the Nazis during WWII. Those exact criteria that you came up with apply to Croatia, too. If you now believe that your criteria were incorrect, feel free to say so and come up with new criteria.
the territory known as Croatia welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Serbs, Jews and Roma.
(ChiTown, 28 January 2018 13:30)
If your logic is followed, the territory known as Serbia also welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them to rid their territory of all Jews, making Serbia the first country in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei.
But if your Serb-hating logic is ignored and if normal logic is applied, just because some Serbs and some Croats welcomed the Nazis with open arms and partnered with them, that does not make Serbia and Croatia Nazi collaborators. Your logic is deeply offensive to the memory of the tens of thousands of Serbs and Croats who lost their lives under Nazi occupation.
So, revisionism is most notorious factography that territory of modern day Croatia and BiH was divided into OCCUPATIONAL ZONES of Italy and Germany? But here one can read that Croatia was not occupied but "independent", which is - a revisionist claim. And you sir, mr. njegos, fit into a description of something with 5 letters. Stop dehumanizing Croatians because of some death squads appointed by a terrorist group no one wanted except Mussolini and Hitler.
Still waiting for answers to my questions icj1. You've reverted to your old worn out behavior of deflecting, obfuscating and running away. Still waiting, and waiting, and waiting....
Today's Croatia has nothing to do with yesterday's Jasenovac?
why your PM bows in Israel?
When people are poisoned with hatred, they surely lose common sense.
(rivernextdoor, 31 January 2018 18:58)
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Yes this generation has nothing to do with Jasenovac but how about Oluja? They would repeat Jasenovac in a heartbeat if they could.
Old malevolent propaganda that equates Croatia with short term puppet state, despite the factography that shows different. For Dacic and his propaganda circle, it necessary to repeat Croatia = Ustasha even when they had partisan veteran generals on top of their army and politics facing towards Milosevic side. At the same time, deny and hide everything that happened in Serbia proper in the same period, support anti-Israel movements, vote for any pro-Palestinian question and aggresively exploit Jewish holocaust for your purposes, Jews will be blamed, right? Right.
Today's Croatia has nothing to do with yesterday's Jasenovac?
why your PM bows in Israel?
When people are poisoned with hatred, they surely lose common sense.
I have not attempted to minimize any crimes, dear, but I have exposed the hatred towards Serbs that some people like you harbour.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:44)
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You really should get off that sh!t.
Zlatko Hasanbegovic, an Ustasha sympathiser, is Croatia's culture minister. A new documentary about the Jasenovac death camp, slammed by Jews as an attempt to revise Croatia’s dark past, was praised by Hasanbegovic as “the best way to finally shed light on many controversial parts of Croatia’s historyâ€. Hasenegovic became a member of the extremist Croatia Liberation Movement, which had been founded by Croatian Nazis in Argentina after World War II. He contributed to the journal Independent State of Croatia, where he wrote about Ustashe as the “true heroes, martyrs and shaheeds who gave their lives for our Homeland,†describing their defeat by partisans led by Tito in 1945 as “the greatest national tragedy.â€
@icj1
May I point also to common event in all Nazi conquered countries that German minority or Volksdeutsche usually were used to perform infiltration through open support for German imperialism. In old Yugoslavia their number was around half of million, half of this in northern Croatian parts, likewise in Serbia (Zargeb - Slavonia, Belgrade - Vojvodina). They had special privileged status above Croats and Serbs in new administrations. They commonly viewed their places in Croatia and Serbia as part of German territory, like Bavaria or similar. It is very erroneus to use Nazi propaganda images of "support" in daily politics against each other.
Psycho killers would never apologize to their victims unless the victims are perceived stronger than them.
Croatia PM's bows in Israel approves it once again.
Therefore don't dream it, Dacic....
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