Vucic announces "bold proposal to citizens" on Kosovo

We keep hearing, from Vucic, how Serbia will do everything in its power to preserve regional peace. The key word being "REGIONAL".
It's the regional problem, as number of former Yugoslavian republics faced threat of disintegration. In some ethnic cleansing was a solution (Croatia), in others two entities (Bosnia) in Macedonia something else. When it comes to Serbia, solution is , supposedly, to take away part of the republic....
Serbian-Albanian dialog can't fix the problem, as it's not only their problem. Regional dialog is needed that will treat everyone equally. That can solve the problem, otherwise, it's not going to happen.

"international community "should make an effort to understand both sides." "

Before the international community should make an effort, it should be both sides first to try to make an effort to understand each-other. Serbia doesn't even recognize, let alone try to understand the other side.



"political actors do not have the right to suffocate and hold each other back,"

It looks to me like this was your entire strategy up to this point, trying to suffocate and hold Kosova back; can you just come out a say a little bit more clearly that you have done up until now was morally wrong?



"He also touched on the independence referendum in Catalonia - and apparently how it compares to the Kosovo issue - to say that it "raised many questions" and that Serbia "did not get the answers to those questions"

I don't remember you asking any questions to EU, Spain asked you to put a sock on it. Evidently, Spain doesn't think that Catalonia and Kosova are comparable, and don't want to go anywhere near that comparison. One would have thought you had gotten the message by now.

This is so ridiculous. This issue is settled. Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again. Instead of recognizing it as an independent country of Albanians, Serbs, Turks and other minorities, not as an Albanian state, which it is not, Serbia is engaging in archaic nationalist politics. Kosovo is Serbia's biggest regional market. Close the issue and move on already. Serbia has the potential to be the leading country in the Balkans and it is squandering it away due to mythology and fables.

When Serbs were screaming Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians were willing to make concessions now they have given up on dialogue and will continue with their everyday lives as they have. You have to get it through your thick skulls Kosovo is never coming back and that you can’t do anything about it now. Albanians have made enough concessions throughout history now its time to take back what our ancestors lost when they were betrayed by their greedy neighbours and the powers that be in 1912.

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US and become their own country, how is the US going to accept this? They wont. Same situation here with Kosovo. interestingly, there Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are the oldest in the region, which is why Thaci ordered their destruction. Islam always wants to remove anything that isnt theirs.

Kosova belongs to Albanians and will never go back to servia. Kosova is an Independent and sovereign state with a 95% albanian majority and have been recongnized and established diplomatic relations with 111 nations worldwide. It has its own constitution, own laws, own rules, own capital, own flag, and own anthem. servia has zero control over Kosova or its inhabitants. We dont take any orders from servia, becuase we rule ourselves. Kosovo is albanian.Always has, and always will be. Thats the end of that.

Serbia is just like its friend Grecce they both can't just accept Reality
The world is so ever changing and both stay the same

Kosova belongs to Albanians and will never go back to servia. Kosova is an Independent and sovereign state with a 95% albanian majority and have been recongnized and established diplomatic relations with 111 nations worldwide. It has its own constitution, own laws, own rules, own capital, own flag, and own anthem. servia has zero control over Kosova or its inhabitants. We dont take any orders from servia, becuase we rule ourselves. Kosovo is albanian.Always has, and always will be. Thats the end of that.
(Aqif Blyta, 14 October 2017 13:31)

Y'all gonna have endless hard days and sleepless nights before Kosova* is independent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0Dm-OaTNk&index=3&list=RDmBpu3ia7Lwo

Kosovo is a dangerous precedent that should not be alowed , in a day Transylvania will weak up that it want to be independent

Is not good this kind of things

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia

Maybe they believe in truth - in God ?
Maybe the world is to change in their favor ?
Or do you expect them to surrender ?
Naiive ...
(rote kapelle, 14 October 2017

Is not Albanian fault that the world create this mess in WWI.
Soon or latter when Russia will be a weak, even Chechenia firstly and then the others will ask for being free, rrote. All we know that!
We will fight same as Scotland, Ireland.. against all the EU. Remember EU was against them for half century.

When Serbs were screaming Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians were willing to make concessions now they have given up on dialogue and will continue with their everyday lives as they have. You have to get it through your thick skulls Kosovo is never coming back and that you can’t do anything about it now. Albanians have made enough concessions throughout history now its time to take back what our ancestors lost when they were betrayed by their greedy neighbours and the powers that be in 1912.
(Guest, 14 October 2017 01:02)

Most states including the Balkans are objects of the international relations but you write as if some of you are subjects of it. So they'll let you know as soon as there's a concensus over the issue. Nobody will ask Kosovo if it's willing to be back or not and this is what Serbia is waiting for I guess. Russia is to finish the job in Syria and then stop the baccanalia in our Ukraine. Then maybe it will be time to help the Balkans restore peace broken 100 years ago.

Serbia is just like its friend Grecce they both can't just accept Reality
The world is so ever changing and both stay the same
(Sam, 14 October 2017 18:12)

Maybe they believe in truth - in God ?
Maybe the world is to change in their favor ?
Or do you expect them to surrender ?
Naiive ...

Serbia is just like its friend Grecce they both can't just accept Reality
The world is so ever changing and both stay the same
(Sam, 14 October 2017 ? 18:12)

Hey Sam, If your girlfriend's undies got moist because she was sitting next a hot Serb
or a Greek, would that make you hate her?

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US and become their own country, how is the US going to accept this?
(Nata, 14 October 2017 05:41)

Let us know the answer if and when that happens since your question is purely hipothetical!
----------

Same situation here with Kosovo.
(Nata, 14 October 2017 05:41)

Well, Kosovo is not waiting for Texas to do anything, so it's not clear what you are talking about!

. All we know that!
We will fight same as Scotland, Ireland.. against all the EU. Remember EU was against them for half century.
(Joni, 15 October 2017 19:38)
=====================
Is that so, Mighty Mouse?
You and whose army?

Peggy

And you will never get Kosovo back. Since servs are dying out due to small birthrates, we albanians will take back more land you have stolen from us once servia is empty of its inhabitants. The future is looking more and more albanian as years pass by. Get used to it :)

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia
(adi_bucharest, 15 October 2017 14:39)
===…==
The reason is Bondsteel.
(Peggy, 16 October 2017 03:16)

Perfect example of delusion and total lack of critical thinking!

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia
(adi_bucharest, 15 October 2017 14:39)
===========
The reason is Bondsteel.

From icj1, the Serb-Hater: "Well, Kosovo is not waiting for Texas to do anything, so it's not clear what you are talking about!"

Poor little Ina, still confused. Why do you continue to read the comments on this forum Ina when don't seem to understand 90% of what's written? Maybe the heavy hatred that your Ustasha relatives instilled in you has caused a comprehension problem. Or maybe you're just plain dumb!

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia
(adi_bucharest, 15 October 2017 14:39)
===…==
The reason is Bondsteel.
(Peggy, 16 October 2017 03:16)

Perfect example of delusion and total lack of critical thinking!
(icj1, 16 October 2017 15:36)

If this came from a sensible person I might be insulted.
(Peggy, 17 October 2017 01:03)

Well, sorry for you feeling insulted, but it's because of your lack of critical thinking so you can blame yourself for feeling insulted.

Nata

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US ... Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are the oldest in the region

Texas and Mexico both belonged to the Ottomans in 16-18 centuries, not to Spain as we are told. It was a result of the Treaty of Tordesillas (1494) soon approved by 3 Pope Bullas. But after the fall of the Great Horde in 1613 the Ottomans had to take under control lands that had belonged to the White Horde and so Meshika (Mosca, Moscow) became Mexico ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тордесильясский_договор
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Булла#.D0.98.D0.B7.D0.B2.D0.B5.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.B1.D1.83.D0.BB.D0.BB.D1.8B

2 Spanish provinces divided the whole world between them and nobody minded it ! Because Castilia represented the Great (Roman, Rus, Mongol) Horde while Aragon signed on behalf of the Ottomans who also belonged to the Great Horde at the time. Sultans/Hans themselves were Orthodox Rus before 18 century. Most of them lived in Veliki Novgorod but not Stan Bulgar

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05.html

Indeed churches and monasteries on Balkans are the oldest but before the shqiptars were islamised in 18 century they prayed at the same churches as the Serbs and by the way the Catholics had split away decades earlier than the Muslims !

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US and become their own country, how is the US going to accept this? They wont. Same situation here with Kosovo. interestingly, there Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are the oldest in the region, which is why Thaci ordered their destruction. Islam always wants to remove anything that isnt theirs.
(Nata, 14 October 2017 05:41)

Well, Kosovo is not waiting for Texas to do anything, so it's not clear what you are talking about!
(icj1, 14 October 2017 19:28)

Why do you continue to read the comments on this forum
(njegos, 16 October 2017 15:04)

Why should I not read comments on this forum and try help people like our dear friend Nata make sense?!

I saw in all Serbian websites in special in that blic that SNS give 10% at public sector salaries and 5% at pensions

I would like to ask ICJ and SJ what they think about the fact in 2017 Serbia gdp is $5500 and before come SNS in 2012 it was $5600 ?

10% public sector is bareable but 5% for pensionaries is humilation because small ones get under 10 euro !

In Romania in 2018 are the following developments from january 2018 => public sector salaries +70% , handicap pensions +50% , normal pensions unknown procent january and 10% at pension point in july . minimum pension from january +25%

Purchashing power gdp 2012 Serbia $13000 2018 $16000

2012 Romania $17000 2018 $26000

Our gdp grow more than imf forecast for 2017 2018 for example +5,9% gdp grpw first 6 months was wrong , we had grow +6,1 after octomber official not that estimate

We the PSD party members had put THINGS TOGETHER WHERE THEY COULD NEVER BREAK IT ,NEVER DESTROY IT ,EVEN IF WE DIE ,

Perfect example of delusion and total lack of critical thinking!
(icj1, 16 October 2017 15:36)
=================
If this came from a sensible person I might be insulted.
Is this what you learned from your shrink so far? You're making progress.

Vucic' Bold move is telling the truth for once!

"Dear fellow Chetnik rats.......,"

"We Slavs invaded this region in the 7th Century un welcomed and unwanted we remain!"

"We Serbs are very "brave" only when we use excessive heavy artillary against unarmed defenseless women and children..."

"God help us if the victims retaliate and overpower us!
We will sue for peace!"

"We Serbs will attack anyone that dares thinks about freedom and Democracy!

"If we can't occupy and take advantage of you then no one else can"....

"Serbs are traditional losers but that's doesn't stop us celebrating this loss every years since 1389!"

"We Serbs are lieing to justify our inat of reality."

Vucic: Serbs are losers we know but fear the truth 🐷

"We must not raise expectations among our people after what happened in Catalonia, because we cannot compare ourselves to larger and more powerful countries that are in a much better position than we are."

Mind-boggling to see Vucic say exactly the opposite of what Serbia was saying barely one week ago.

"international community "should make an effort to understand both sides." "

Before the international community should make an effort, it should be both sides first to try to make an effort to understand each-other. Serbia doesn't even recognize, let alone try to understand the other side.



"political actors do not have the right to suffocate and hold each other back,"

It looks to me like this was your entire strategy up to this point, trying to suffocate and hold Kosova back; can you just come out a say a little bit more clearly that you have done up until now was morally wrong?



"He also touched on the independence referendum in Catalonia - and apparently how it compares to the Kosovo issue - to say that it "raised many questions" and that Serbia "did not get the answers to those questions"

I don't remember you asking any questions to EU, Spain asked you to put a sock on it. Evidently, Spain doesn't think that Catalonia and Kosova are comparable, and don't want to go anywhere near that comparison. One would have thought you had gotten the message by now.

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US and become their own country, how is the US going to accept this? They wont. Same situation here with Kosovo. interestingly, there Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are the oldest in the region, which is why Thaci ordered their destruction. Islam always wants to remove anything that isnt theirs.

Kosova belongs to Albanians and will never go back to servia. Kosova is an Independent and sovereign state with a 95% albanian majority and have been recongnized and established diplomatic relations with 111 nations worldwide. It has its own constitution, own laws, own rules, own capital, own flag, and own anthem. servia has zero control over Kosova or its inhabitants. We dont take any orders from servia, becuase we rule ourselves. Kosovo is albanian.Always has, and always will be. Thats the end of that.

When Serbs were screaming Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians were willing to make concessions now they have given up on dialogue and will continue with their everyday lives as they have. You have to get it through your thick skulls Kosovo is never coming back and that you can’t do anything about it now. Albanians have made enough concessions throughout history now its time to take back what our ancestors lost when they were betrayed by their greedy neighbours and the powers that be in 1912.

I saw in all Serbian websites in special in that blic that SNS give 10% at public sector salaries and 5% at pensions

I would like to ask ICJ and SJ what they think about the fact in 2017 Serbia gdp is $5500 and before come SNS in 2012 it was $5600 ?

10% public sector is bareable but 5% for pensionaries is humilation because small ones get under 10 euro !

In Romania in 2018 are the following developments from january 2018 => public sector salaries +70% , handicap pensions +50% , normal pensions unknown procent january and 10% at pension point in july . minimum pension from january +25%

Purchashing power gdp 2012 Serbia $13000 2018 $16000

2012 Romania $17000 2018 $26000

Our gdp grow more than imf forecast for 2017 2018 for example +5,9% gdp grpw first 6 months was wrong , we had grow +6,1 after octomber official not that estimate

We the PSD party members had put THINGS TOGETHER WHERE THEY COULD NEVER BREAK IT ,NEVER DESTROY IT ,EVEN IF WE DIE ,

This is so ridiculous. This issue is settled. Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again. Instead of recognizing it as an independent country of Albanians, Serbs, Turks and other minorities, not as an Albanian state, which it is not, Serbia is engaging in archaic nationalist politics. Kosovo is Serbia's biggest regional market. Close the issue and move on already. Serbia has the potential to be the leading country in the Balkans and it is squandering it away due to mythology and fables.

Serbia is just like its friend Grecce they both can't just accept Reality
The world is so ever changing and both stay the same

Kosovo is a dangerous precedent that should not be alowed , in a day Transylvania will weak up that it want to be independent

Is not good this kind of things

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia

Maybe they believe in truth - in God ?
Maybe the world is to change in their favor ?
Or do you expect them to surrender ?
Naiive ...
(rote kapelle, 14 October 2017

Is not Albanian fault that the world create this mess in WWI.
Soon or latter when Russia will be a weak, even Chechenia firstly and then the others will ask for being free, rrote. All we know that!
We will fight same as Scotland, Ireland.. against all the EU. Remember EU was against them for half century.

We keep hearing, from Vucic, how Serbia will do everything in its power to preserve regional peace. The key word being "REGIONAL".
It's the regional problem, as number of former Yugoslavian republics faced threat of disintegration. In some ethnic cleansing was a solution (Croatia), in others two entities (Bosnia) in Macedonia something else. When it comes to Serbia, solution is , supposedly, to take away part of the republic....
Serbian-Albanian dialog can't fix the problem, as it's not only their problem. Regional dialog is needed that will treat everyone equally. That can solve the problem, otherwise, it's not going to happen.

Kosova belongs to Albanians and will never go back to servia. Kosova is an Independent and sovereign state with a 95% albanian majority and have been recongnized and established diplomatic relations with 111 nations worldwide. It has its own constitution, own laws, own rules, own capital, own flag, and own anthem. servia has zero control over Kosova or its inhabitants. We dont take any orders from servia, becuase we rule ourselves. Kosovo is albanian.Always has, and always will be. Thats the end of that.
(Aqif Blyta, 14 October 2017 13:31)

Y'all gonna have endless hard days and sleepless nights before Kosova* is independent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0Dm-OaTNk&index=3&list=RDmBpu3ia7Lwo

Serbia is just like its friend Grecce they both can't just accept Reality
The world is so ever changing and both stay the same
(Sam, 14 October 2017 18:12)

Maybe they believe in truth - in God ?
Maybe the world is to change in their favor ?
Or do you expect them to surrender ?
Naiive ...

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia
(adi_bucharest, 15 October 2017 14:39)
===========
The reason is Bondsteel.

Peggy

And you will never get Kosovo back. Since servs are dying out due to small birthrates, we albanians will take back more land you have stolen from us once servia is empty of its inhabitants. The future is looking more and more albanian as years pass by. Get used to it :)

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US and become their own country, how is the US going to accept this?
(Nata, 14 October 2017 05:41)

Let us know the answer if and when that happens since your question is purely hipothetical!
----------

Same situation here with Kosovo.
(Nata, 14 October 2017 05:41)

Well, Kosovo is not waiting for Texas to do anything, so it's not clear what you are talking about!

Nata

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US ... Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are the oldest in the region

Texas and Mexico both belonged to the Ottomans in 16-18 centuries, not to Spain as we are told. It was a result of the Treaty of Tordesillas (1494) soon approved by 3 Pope Bullas. But after the fall of the Great Horde in 1613 the Ottomans had to take under control lands that had belonged to the White Horde and so Meshika (Mosca, Moscow) became Mexico ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тордесильясский_договор
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_bull
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Булла#.D0.98.D0.B7.D0.B2.D0.B5.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.B1.D1.83.D0.BB.D0.BB.D1.8B

2 Spanish provinces divided the whole world between them and nobody minded it ! Because Castilia represented the Great (Roman, Rus, Mongol) Horde while Aragon signed on behalf of the Ottomans who also belonged to the Great Horde at the time. Sultans/Hans themselves were Orthodox Rus before 18 century. Most of them lived in Veliki Novgorod but not Stan Bulgar

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05.html

Indeed churches and monasteries on Balkans are the oldest but before the shqiptars were islamised in 18 century they prayed at the same churches as the Serbs and by the way the Catholics had split away decades earlier than the Muslims !

When Serbs were screaming Kosovo is Serbia, Albanians were willing to make concessions now they have given up on dialogue and will continue with their everyday lives as they have. You have to get it through your thick skulls Kosovo is never coming back and that you can’t do anything about it now. Albanians have made enough concessions throughout history now its time to take back what our ancestors lost when they were betrayed by their greedy neighbours and the powers that be in 1912.
(Guest, 14 October 2017 01:02)

Most states including the Balkans are objects of the international relations but you write as if some of you are subjects of it. So they'll let you know as soon as there's a concensus over the issue. Nobody will ask Kosovo if it's willing to be back or not and this is what Serbia is waiting for I guess. Russia is to finish the job in Syria and then stop the baccanalia in our Ukraine. Then maybe it will be time to help the Balkans restore peace broken 100 years ago.

. All we know that!
We will fight same as Scotland, Ireland.. against all the EU. Remember EU was against them for half century.
(Joni, 15 October 2017 19:38)
=====================
Is that so, Mighty Mouse?
You and whose army?

From icj1, the Serb-Hater: "Well, Kosovo is not waiting for Texas to do anything, so it's not clear what you are talking about!"

Poor little Ina, still confused. Why do you continue to read the comments on this forum Ina when don't seem to understand 90% of what's written? Maybe the heavy hatred that your Ustasha relatives instilled in you has caused a comprehension problem. Or maybe you're just plain dumb!

Serbia is just like its friend Grecce they both can't just accept Reality
The world is so ever changing and both stay the same
(Sam, 14 October 2017 ? 18:12)

Hey Sam, If your girlfriend's undies got moist because she was sitting next a hot Serb
or a Greek, would that make you hate her?

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia
(adi_bucharest, 15 October 2017 14:39)
===…==
The reason is Bondsteel.
(Peggy, 16 October 2017 03:16)

Perfect example of delusion and total lack of critical thinking!

Vucic' Bold move is telling the truth for once!

"Dear fellow Chetnik rats.......,"

"We Slavs invaded this region in the 7th Century un welcomed and unwanted we remain!"

"We Serbs are very "brave" only when we use excessive heavy artillary against unarmed defenseless women and children..."

"God help us if the victims retaliate and overpower us!
We will sue for peace!"

"We Serbs will attack anyone that dares thinks about freedom and Democracy!

"If we can't occupy and take advantage of you then no one else can"....

"Serbs are traditional losers but that's doesn't stop us celebrating this loss every years since 1389!"

"We Serbs are lieing to justify our inat of reality."

Vucic: Serbs are losers we know but fear the truth 🐷

Perfect example of delusion and total lack of critical thinking!
(icj1, 16 October 2017 15:36)
=================
If this came from a sensible person I might be insulted.
Is this what you learned from your shrink so far? You're making progress.

So, since A majority of Texas is Of Mexican descent, and tomorrow they decide to break away from the US and become their own country, how is the US going to accept this? They wont. Same situation here with Kosovo. interestingly, there Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are the oldest in the region, which is why Thaci ordered their destruction. Islam always wants to remove anything that isnt theirs.
(Nata, 14 October 2017 05:41)

Well, Kosovo is not waiting for Texas to do anything, so it's not clear what you are talking about!
(icj1, 14 October 2017 19:28)

Why do you continue to read the comments on this forum
(njegos, 16 October 2017 15:04)

Why should I not read comments on this forum and try help people like our dear friend Nata make sense?!

"We must not raise expectations among our people after what happened in Catalonia, because we cannot compare ourselves to larger and more powerful countries that are in a much better position than we are."

Mind-boggling to see Vucic say exactly the opposite of what Serbia was saying barely one week ago.

I don`t understand why Nato attacked Serbia
(adi_bucharest, 15 October 2017 14:39)
===…==
The reason is Bondsteel.
(Peggy, 16 October 2017 03:16)

Perfect example of delusion and total lack of critical thinking!
(icj1, 16 October 2017 15:36)

If this came from a sensible person I might be insulted.
(Peggy, 17 October 2017 01:03)

Well, sorry for you feeling insulted, but it's because of your lack of critical thinking so you can blame yourself for feeling insulted.