Serbian officials react as court in Bosnia frees Naser Oric

Hague's Appeals Chamber, which found that there was "no doubt that grave crimes had been committed against Serbs in Srebrenica from September 1992 until March 1993" - but that "evidence of crimes being committed [is] insufficient to sentence an individual."umm Slobodan MiloševićMilan Babić, former President of Republika Srpska Krajina; Radovan Karadžić, former President of Republika Srpska; Ratko Mladić, former Commander of the Bosnian Serb Army;Croat Serb General and former President of the Republic of Serbian Krajina Goran Hadžić All of the aforementioned never actually killed anyone but "evidence of crimes being committed [is] insufficient to sentence an individual"????

I Quote -

" Serbia will have to fight for justice by itself".

There is only One way for Justice - WAR !.

The international Community has Failed Justice and therefore - WAR.

Soremte se spremte.

Arn.Sweden.

As much as people would love to "see" or "feel" their revenge while there is life on earth, it really makes no difference when in the end, God said 'Vengence is mine"! All these people who kill, whoever's name or God they do it in, have the few years remaining before they close their eyes, their heart stops beating and their soul goes back it's maker for accounting! The books will be opened and every being will be confronted with what they did and to who's glory they did it for! You either serve God or you serve this world..you cannot sit on two chairs! Woe to them who find themselves on the wrong side of Gods Glory.

Bulls Eye Target on every Serbian's forehead !!!

Are there any Albanian - Bosnian Islamic terrorist or Croatian Nazi Ustase in jail any where for the torture, rape, robbing, ethnic cleansing, horrific murders of Serbian people ???

As long as the USA, England and Germany are in charge of Western Europe the Serbian people will continue to suffer and die until there is no more Srbija ! Double standards from the USA, England and Germany when it comes to Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans ! Any body can do what they want to Serbian people and if the Serbian people try to resist and protect their country and them selves, well then the Good Old USA has a lot more of them U-235's for Beograd ! I predict that Srbija will not exist by 2050, Hitler's eradication process for Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity not reversable at this point of no return !!!

Come on, realistically,did you expect any other answer.

There is no justice. It is completley legal now to murder Serbian civilians. Serbia must employ Israeli tactics when it comes to Oric, Dudakovic, Gotovina, Mercep, Thaci and Haradinaj.

Srbija ain't seen nothing yet what it is going to see in the near future !!!

As long as Serbian people continue to worship Josip Broz Tito and continue divided the murder of all Eastern Orthodox Christianity will continue in the Balkans ! Serbian people love to turn in to the Hauge their cival and military leaders just like how they murdered General Draza Mijailovic in Beograd after WW2 to please Tito ! USA, England and Germany will never permit Serbian people to defend them selves and Srbija will continue to shrink until it is no more which I predict will be 2050 ! You think I am halucinating, well U-235 bombs have a lot of power to erase all Serbian culture, heritage and religion from the Balkans !!!

Goran They would free theirs, you would free yours. But the commentary says they should face justice. That does include yours.(Bob, 09. oktobar 2017 13:41)I wouldn't free 'ours' Bob and I dont count people who kill others as human, nor should they be allowed to breathe the same air the rest of us do. What I have a problem with is law that is applied selectively. The people I mentioned in my post were the leaders of the Serbs and went to the Hague for the murder of the other ethnicities. Where are the leaders of the other ethnicities or anyone that killed the Serbs?

Oric is a convicted criminal and an altogether nasty piece of work but we are talking about war crimes and the standard of proof is necessarily high. O-1's evidence didn't come remotely close to that standard.
(ned taylor, 9 October 2017 19:05)
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so I guess his own bragging about what he has done is not enough but Serbs are convicted on just about anything.
You say you have no idea if he did all those things. If this was Seselj would you still have no idea? Seselj is convicted on holding speeches and not participating in any battles yet this scum has literally blood on his hands and he is "not guilty".
Did you ever doubt Seselj's guilt and what exactly did he do?
How about other Serbs found guilty? How much and what evidence was used to convict them?

The anger in Serbia about these verdicts should be directed towards the prosecution.

(ned taylor, 9 October 2017 19:05) 

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Why restrict anger and condemnation to the prosecution? The lack of an effort in BiH to investigate the role of Oric's command and his underlings in the criminal enterprise committed against an entire ethnic group should be condemned without prejudice.
The anger among all individuals (not only in Serbia) seeking justice should be directed toward corrupt investigative and judicial processes in the ICTY, BiH and other parts of former Yugoslavia.



we are talking about war crimes and the standard of proof is necessarily high. O-1's evidence didn't come remotely close to that standard.
(ned taylor, 9 October 2017 19:05)
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Yes, when it comes to non-Serbs, that's true. When it comes to Serbs, guilt is assumed and proving innocence is where the standard is high. We've heard so many times that atrocities have been committed against Serbs but somehow no-one can find the culprits. Gotovina, Oric, Haradinaj... all "innocent". If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.

If future prosecutions are going to be successful then the prosecution will need to do much better. I suspect that in some part they were relying on the bad reputation of the defendant in general and not focusing enough on the specific crimes in question.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 10:04)

After reading your comments I am of the opinion that you are either incredibly naive or live in a world of your own, but one thing is for sure, you have never set foot in BiH or the Balkans.

The court system/BiH prosecution is controlled by Izetbegovic and the freedom loving west fully supports that. If you take it further the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent. It takes rumor and hearsay as evidence. It also takes 3rd and 4th party evidence as fact. You don't have to be at the scene to witness a crime; your testimony about someone telling you that a war crime was committed was sufficient.

Well, the only thing that Seselj exposed was that he was guilty of crimes for which he was convicted to years in prison. Nice job! lol
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:41)

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Who are we to argue? icj1, the CB of B92, is a leading authority and practitioner of incriminating themselves with idiotic rebuttal, ignorant commentary and intolerant statements. Yes, we completely concede that icj1 is plagued with the severest mental handicaps which they convincingly expose on a daily basis.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

Goran

They would free theirs, you would free yours.

But the commentary says they should face justice.

That does include yours.

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)
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So explain Gotovina. He was found guilty unanimously by three judges, beyond reasonable doubt in the first instance. Then on appeal, three found him not guilty and two found him guilty.

So five judges, in all, found him guilty, yes, beyond reasonable doubt and three not but he is a free man. I'm waiting for your explanation my dear but no points for the obvious... that's right, he's not a Serb.

From Leonard's clone: "Every thing you Serbs tried in the past turned to dust. No Greater Serbia, No SAO Krajina, No Kosova and No access to the sea...."

You conveniently forgot Bosnia Hercegovina where Serbs are 33% of the population yet hold 49% of the land. This area is known as Republika Srpska. Oh, that's right it doesn't fit your ant-Serb narrative. And let us not forget that the Croat population of B-H (where the Ustasha originated) gets smaller day by day. I'd say Serbs gained quite a bit there as they operate autonomously and will soon be completely independent or unite with Serbia. Next time tell the full story.

"Probably" and "guessing"?! So everything you wrote is just a speculation based on your gut feeling, not any facts. No wonder you have become the laughing stock of this forum lol
(icj1, 11 October 2017 02:40)

The only laughing stock here is you. So keep us amused with nonsensical commentary - it must be wonderful being in your own little world where you see yourself as a brilliant critic, but back to reality, your not, just a laughing stock LOL.

icj1, looks like you've been left to play on the computers unsupervised. I think it's past your bed time there in Australia. Time to take your meds and get to sleep I think.

Serbs think their chaps are heroes, Croats think Gotovina is a hero and Bosniaks likewise for Oric.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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A Yugoslav court should have judged all of them. Unfortunately, the ethnic nationalists backed by foreign support were more concerned with destroying Yugoslavia. The corrupt ICTY was simply another extension of that process.


Guerrilla style war fare, as carred out by Seselj (another hero!) and Oric, is far less likely to leave a trail of evidence hence their (eventual) acquittals.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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Oric was not a "guerrilla" but was a commander in BiH's Muslim army. The ICTY willfully disregarded his and his criminal group's indictment, prosecution, and conviction as part of a"Joint Criminal Enterprise". The JCE doctrine in the ICTY was prejudicially applied, and is so contentious that it is unconstitutional in many jurisdictions, in order to convict people of crimes when even the ICTY accepts that they did not, in fact, commit them or that the proof is lacking to show their guilt.

Ned, you may consider Seselj a "hero", but I do not. He's another narrow minded ethnic nationalist. Moreover, he is a poor lawyer. That a person like Seselj, with such severe handicaps, effortlessly exposed the rot and corruption at the ICTY speaks volumes about the horrid state of justice practiced by that culpable enterprise.

The anger in Serbia about these verdicts should be directed towards the prosecution. For reasons which only they can explain they decided to base their whole case on the evidence of an entirely unconvincing witness who gave multiple contradictory statements about all three of the killings with which the defendants were charged. I followed this case closely and was amazed that it got as far as it did given the comical nature of O-1's evidence. I have no idea whether Oric was guilty or not; I would be amazed if he didn't unlawfully kill anyone during the conflict. However, as I have repeatedly said to friends in the Balkans, proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt requires specific evidence not a general sense that a person is a 'wrong un'. Oric is a convicted criminal and an altogether nasty piece of work but we are talking about war crimes and the standard of proof is necessarily high. O-1's evidence didn't come remotely close to that standard.

If future prosecutions are going to be successful then the prosecution will need to do much better.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 10:04)
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No kidding, you can see for yourself here. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia

Out of all the indictees in the NATO court, I think there is only one case of a KLA prison guard who was sentenced for crimes against Serbs. It seems all others were acquitted. Croats were indicted and sentenced for crimes against Bosnian Muslims but not Serbs. If you study the list, the bias is extremely obvious. But admittedly, not surprising. We all know NATO and the West look after their war criminals very well.

So, seems like the prosecution did well when it comes to Serb indictees but quite poor when Serbs were the victims. I suppose they will just have to do better in future right? Surprised someone who spent quite a lot of time in BiH is still blind.

Surely there must have been other people who either witnessed these alleged incidents or heard about them directly from those who did. Where was their evidence and why did the prosecution have only O-1 to rely on? I await their appeal with interest.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 13:13)

Oric has blood on his hands and there is plenty of evidence, the problem is NATO and the west is compliant in Oric pulling out of Srebrinica and the mass crimes committed under the veil or UN protected zones, including Zepa and Gorazde. Why don't you convert to a Bosniak-Muslim and go pray to Allah and the Mosques because that is where you belong.

If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 18:23)
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Ned, the broader question is why corrupt institutions in BiH, ICTY, and other parts of Yugoslavia refused to properly investigate crimes? Many of these corrupt foreign and domestic investigators and jurists, as blatantly demonstrated by the BiHCC and the ICTY, instead chose to base decisions on ethinicty and politics rather than evidence and legal precedent.

The prosecution in this case was not from Republika Srpska. Although they may have a few token "Bosnian Serb", you are correct to wonder whether the other groups can investigate their criminals and contribute to their prosecution. Also, you may be correct to wonder if justice would have been more thorough if this process was concluded in RS or Serbia, as the latter actually initiated Oric's extradition.
Mektic said "the prosecution was not committed to proving guilt". So according to BIH's own minister, the trial was rigged.
The corrupt jurists in Oric's trial are no better than their domestic and foreign counterparts who sit on the BiH CC or in the ICTY. Perhaps BiHCC, and its war crimes courts should also prepare to join the ICTY in history's waste bin.

hat's correct, because few people, if any, have any idea about the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Perhaps the CE of B92 forums sj might want to educate the world with the brilliant definitions he/she has come up about "Court" and "Tribunal" lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:57)

As usual our resident laughing stock opens its mouth and continues to make us laugh. Please keep it up. I cant speak for others but at least I enjoy laughing at your drivel.

You open your mouth make comment without knowing your subject LOL but if you ask nicely I will explain the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.

Remember ask nicely with a please.

@Ari Gold

What tactic are you Serbs going to use against others ? Every thing you Serbs tried in the past turned to dust. No Greater Serbia, No SAO Krajina, No Kosova and No access to the sea....ORIC is a god and if Serbia only had such a warrior in its own ranks maybe they would have achieved something on the battlefield instead of jumping on tractors and heading towards BG. The Serbs should be removed from the Balkans for the sake of mankind.

(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 13:13)

In the case 0-1, the witness was selected by the prosecution – yes the prosecution. If his/her evidence was in contradiction to forensic evidence then it should never have gone to trial mate. Where is the preparation prior to going to court???????? The testing of evidence so it passes scrutiny? That is exactly what does happen in a proper judicial system.
So either the prosecution is so inept or it kept the so called witness to cause an acquittal of Oric. As far as a Serb leading the prosecution, well if he wants to keep his job he does what he is told. There are a number of Serbs that are very well paid in the BiH administration who have on many occasions tried to sell out RS.

As I said Izetbegovic controls the courts and prosecution with the blessing of your internationals.

"Probably" and "guessing"?! So everything you wrote is just a speculation based on your gut feeling, not any facts. No wonder you have become the laughing stock of this forum lol
(icj1, 11 October 2017 02:40)
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LOL! As expected, you didn't answer my question about the verdict of Gotovina. Five judges found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt and he walks free. So what you said is false and you will need to take it up with the NATO court.

Also, learn to use a search engine and as mentioned, get assistance from the nurses regarding comprehension. I hope they can help. As it turns out, my "guesses" ended up being factual...

We heard Naser [Oric] say: “Don’t beat him. We are neither Chetniks nor Ustashas. They will be tried by a court martial,’” he said. Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/surrender-of-soldiers-in-zalazje-03-22-2016

"The prosecution also cited testimony from witness Ibran Mustafic, who said that while Oric was at his apartment, he admitted having killed Slobodan Ilic." Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/prosecution-urges-jail-for-bosniak-commander-oric-08-29-2017

The case looks pretty rigged to me with an incompetent prosecution, probably organised by the side as the defence. But not surprisingly, what else should we expect?

I cannot believe that you think that Oric would have had a fairer trial in Serbia or the RS. The outcome there would have been even more of a formality than in BiH.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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He certainly wouldn't have had a prosecution "that wasn't committed to proving guilt." Whether you think that is "fair" or not depends on whether you are a victim, a victim's family, or a supporter of Oric.

The whole situation is almost comical with the Serbian Defence Minister praising a convicted war criminal.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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Yes, conviction by a court as corrupt as the ICTY, is comical. It simply has reinforced the ethnic politics that deny justice and provided more power to narrow minded politicians.

If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 18:23)
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Probably because he was incompetent without much support while the defence had western backing with fake witnesses, probably saying things like they killed so and so, not Oric and Oric ordered us to respect detainees as we are not Ustasha and Chetniks. Just guessing?

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence [link]

I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:05)


For starters you have no idea the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Second its fine to have a so-called set of rules, but another to observed them as on numerous occasions in the past both the indicted and defence have complained about the Tribunal not observing their own rules mate.

During the trial of one of the first Serbs to be convicted the Tribunal’s only “first hand witness” was proven to have lied in court and confessed on the stand that Sarajevo paid him to lie while the testimony from all the other “witnesses” were third and fourth hand – in other words rumour and hearsay. What happened to the so-called witness who lied? Nothing. Left the court without even a reprimand.

Since you’re not that bright, if this case was reviewed by prosecuting office in a normal judicial system it would not have gone to trial, and if it did it would have been thrown out of court. The Serb got 15 years.
So much for your rules LOL.

Peggy: If you are going to quote from my post then please do so verbatim. I did not say that I had no idea whether or not he "did all those things", I said that I didn't know if he was guilty in this particular case. I also said that I believed that it was likely that he had killed people unlawfully. There is a legitimate debate to be had about justice in the Balkans but I was posting about the poor prosecution evidence in this case, something about which the Bosnian Security Minister, Dragan Mektic (a Serb), commented negatively himself yesterday.

If future prosecutions are going to be successful then the prosecution will need to do much better. I suspect that in some part they were relying on the bad reputation of the defendant in general and not focusing enough on the specific crimes in question.

SJ: I lived in Bosnia for ten years and watched closely as the Court system was developed. Most people would accuse me of being cynical rather than naive. I am not unaware of how politics works in the Balkans but this case was under very close scrutiny from international observers because of its high profile nature. You have no time for the Bosnian Court or for the Hague so one suspects that any judiciary body that acquits a Bosniak won't meet with your approval. The issue for witness O-1 is that he claimed to have witnessed the shootings but his evidence was in direct contradiction to the forensic evidence. He stated that one of the victims was shot "multiple times" but there was only one wound found on the body. Furthermore evidence that he gave in court was in direct contradiction to statements that he gave prior to the trial. Details were provided in court that he had omitted from his original account Whatever you think of the system, you cannot expect that relying on this level of testimony is going to secure a conviction.

Surely there must have been other people who either witnessed these alleged incidents or heard about them directly from those who did. Where was their evidence and why did the prosecution have only O-1 to rely on? I await their appeal with interest.

Seselj is convicted on holding speeches
(Peggy, 10 October 2017 00:32)

When was Seselj convicted on holding speeches, dear?!

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.

From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted."

icj1 must be seeing unicorns and candy canes in her sleep again. Time for you to get your meds adjusted again Ina dear,

SJ: I lived in Bosnia for ten years and watched closely as the Court system was developed.
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@Ned
So what? How much do you really know about the system? Are you in the legal system to know how things work?
You say the prosecutor didn't have evidence for a conviction. OK, maybe the investigators just didn't do their job, so that's why he should've been handed over to Serbia when they had a warrant for his arrest.
Why was he sent to Bosnia when it was Serbia who wanted him? Any ideas? Maybe that doesn't make your no evidence BS a little easier to publicise.
I am sure there is evidence and Serbia has it.
Do you think that the reason they had a Serb prosecutor in Bosnia was to give the illusion that this was going to be a serious trial?

the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent
(sj, 10 October 2017 11:40)

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence http://www.icty.org/x/file/Legal%20Library/Rules_procedure_evidence/IT032Rev50_en.pdf

I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

The guy is innocent. The search should be on for more of the masterminds and psychopaths responsible for the genocide of 8,373 civilians.

There is no justice. It is completley legal now to murder Serbian civilians. Serbia must employ Israeli tactics when it comes to Oric, Dudakovic, Gotovina, Mercep, Thaci and Haradinaj.
(Ari Gold, 9 October 2017 21:35)


Ari,
Before making threats, you should be aware that those you mentioned above know who you are and where you live. Now you're going to spend much of your time looking over your shoulder.

I have received four responses to my question as to why the prosecution evidence was so poor in the Oric case but not a single answer to the question. It seems that no-one wants to accept that this case was poorly handled but instead want to bring up issues about Seselj, Izetbegovic, the quality of my eyesight and my propensity to naivety. If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)

So explain Gotovina.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 16:12)

I'm not aware of any Serb called "Gotovina" locked up on genocide convictions. So it's not clear what explanation you need, dear! You sound a bit confused...

Out of all the indictees in the NATO court, I think there is only one case of a KLA prison guard who was sentenced for crimes against Serbs. It seems all others were acquitted. Croats were indicted and sentenced for crimes against Bosnian Muslims but not Serbs. If you study the list, the bias is extremely obvious. But admittedly, not surprising. We all know NATO and the West look after their war criminals very well.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 14:49)

That's just a dream of yours because a NATO court does not exist. You might want to stop confusing your dreams with reality so you can avoid wasting your time with writing lengthy comments about things that don't exist lol

If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 18:23)
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Probably because he was incompetent without much support while the defence had western backing with fake witnesses, probably saying things like they killed so and so, not Oric and Oric ordered us to respect detainees as we are not Ustasha and Chetniks. Just guessing?
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 21:03)

"Probably" and "guessing"?! So everything you wrote is just a speculation based on your gut feeling, not any facts. No wonder you have become the laughing stock of this forum lol

Amnesty Jugoslavija: Whilst I agree with much of what you say, I cannot believe that you think that Oric would have had a fairer trial in Serbia or the RS. The outcome there would have been even more of a formality than in BiH. The whole situation is almost comical with the Serbian Defence Minister praising a convicted war criminal on the same day that the administration of which the minister is a part is complaining about the Oric verdict. Serbs think their chaps are heroes, Croats think Gotovina is a hero and Bosniaks likewise for Oric. They are all nasty pieces of work but unfortunately for many Serbs, Milosevic was so brazen about what he was doing that once the conflict had finished there was no hiding place for those who had done his bidding. Guerrilla style war fare, as carred out by Seselj (another hero!) and Oric, is far less likely to leave a trail of evidence hence their (eventual) acquittals.

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)

So explain Gotovina.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 16:12)

I'm not aware of any Serb called "Gotovina" locked up on genocide convictions. So it's not clear what explanation you need, dear! You sound a bit confused...
(icj1, 11 October 2017 02:29)

As expected, you didn't answer my question about the verdict of Gotovina.
(Zoran, 11 October 2017 11:17)

Of course, because you did not clarify who is this Serb called "Gotovina" locked up on genocide convictions.

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)

icj1 must be seeing unicorns
(njegos, 10 October 2017 23:03)

Just because a Serb hater like you sees Serbs as unicorns, that does not mean that anybody else is like you.

the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent
(sj, 10 October 2017 11:40)

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence [link]
I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:05)

For starters you have no idea the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.
(sj, 11 October 2017 10:11)

That's correct, because few people, if any, have any idea about the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Perhaps the CE of B92 forums sj might want to educate the world with the brilliant definitions he/she has come up about "Court" and "Tribunal" lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

That a person like Seselj, with such severe handicaps, effortlessly exposed the rot and corruption at the ICTY speaks volumes
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 October 2017 11:00)

Well, the only thing that Seselj exposed was that he was guilty of crimes for which he was convicted to years in prison. Nice job! lol

the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent
(sj, 10 October 2017 11:40)

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence [link]
I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:05)

For starters you have no idea the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.
(sj, 11 October 2017 10:11)

That's correct, because few people, if any, have any idea about the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Perhaps the CE of B92 forums sj might want to educate the world with the brilliant definitions he/she has come up about "Court" and "Tribunal" lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:57)


if you ask nicely I will explain the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.
(sj, 12 October 2017 09:59)

No need to explain it to me; it is those who prepare English dictionaries who would need such a brilliant contribution from the CE of B92 forums sj in order to explain the difference between a Court and Tribunal lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Goran

They would free theirs, you would free yours.

But the commentary says they should face justice.

That does include yours.

I Quote -

" Serbia will have to fight for justice by itself".

There is only One way for Justice - WAR !.

The international Community has Failed Justice and therefore - WAR.

Soremte se spremte.

Arn.Sweden.

The anger in Serbia about these verdicts should be directed towards the prosecution. For reasons which only they can explain they decided to base their whole case on the evidence of an entirely unconvincing witness who gave multiple contradictory statements about all three of the killings with which the defendants were charged. I followed this case closely and was amazed that it got as far as it did given the comical nature of O-1's evidence. I have no idea whether Oric was guilty or not; I would be amazed if he didn't unlawfully kill anyone during the conflict. However, as I have repeatedly said to friends in the Balkans, proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt requires specific evidence not a general sense that a person is a 'wrong un'. Oric is a convicted criminal and an altogether nasty piece of work but we are talking about war crimes and the standard of proof is necessarily high. O-1's evidence didn't come remotely close to that standard.

@Ari Gold

What tactic are you Serbs going to use against others ? Every thing you Serbs tried in the past turned to dust. No Greater Serbia, No SAO Krajina, No Kosova and No access to the sea....ORIC is a god and if Serbia only had such a warrior in its own ranks maybe they would have achieved something on the battlefield instead of jumping on tractors and heading towards BG. The Serbs should be removed from the Balkans for the sake of mankind.

Srbija ain't seen nothing yet what it is going to see in the near future !!!

As long as Serbian people continue to worship Josip Broz Tito and continue divided the murder of all Eastern Orthodox Christianity will continue in the Balkans ! Serbian people love to turn in to the Hauge their cival and military leaders just like how they murdered General Draza Mijailovic in Beograd after WW2 to please Tito ! USA, England and Germany will never permit Serbian people to defend them selves and Srbija will continue to shrink until it is no more which I predict will be 2050 ! You think I am halucinating, well U-235 bombs have a lot of power to erase all Serbian culture, heritage and religion from the Balkans !!!

Hague's Appeals Chamber, which found that there was "no doubt that grave crimes had been committed against Serbs in Srebrenica from September 1992 until March 1993" - but that "evidence of crimes being committed [is] insufficient to sentence an individual."umm Slobodan MiloševićMilan Babić, former President of Republika Srpska Krajina; Radovan Karadžić, former President of Republika Srpska; Ratko Mladić, former Commander of the Bosnian Serb Army;Croat Serb General and former President of the Republic of Serbian Krajina Goran Hadžić All of the aforementioned never actually killed anyone but "evidence of crimes being committed [is] insufficient to sentence an individual"????

Seselj is convicted on holding speeches
(Peggy, 10 October 2017 00:32)

When was Seselj convicted on holding speeches, dear?!

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)

icj1 must be seeing unicorns
(njegos, 10 October 2017 23:03)

Just because a Serb hater like you sees Serbs as unicorns, that does not mean that anybody else is like you.

As much as people would love to "see" or "feel" their revenge while there is life on earth, it really makes no difference when in the end, God said 'Vengence is mine"! All these people who kill, whoever's name or God they do it in, have the few years remaining before they close their eyes, their heart stops beating and their soul goes back it's maker for accounting! The books will be opened and every being will be confronted with what they did and to who's glory they did it for! You either serve God or you serve this world..you cannot sit on two chairs! Woe to them who find themselves on the wrong side of Gods Glory.

Peggy: If you are going to quote from my post then please do so verbatim. I did not say that I had no idea whether or not he "did all those things", I said that I didn't know if he was guilty in this particular case. I also said that I believed that it was likely that he had killed people unlawfully. There is a legitimate debate to be had about justice in the Balkans but I was posting about the poor prosecution evidence in this case, something about which the Bosnian Security Minister, Dragan Mektic (a Serb), commented negatively himself yesterday.

If future prosecutions are going to be successful then the prosecution will need to do much better. I suspect that in some part they were relying on the bad reputation of the defendant in general and not focusing enough on the specific crimes in question.

If future prosecutions are going to be successful then the prosecution will need to do much better.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 10:04)
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No kidding, you can see for yourself here. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia

Out of all the indictees in the NATO court, I think there is only one case of a KLA prison guard who was sentenced for crimes against Serbs. It seems all others were acquitted. Croats were indicted and sentenced for crimes against Bosnian Muslims but not Serbs. If you study the list, the bias is extremely obvious. But admittedly, not surprising. We all know NATO and the West look after their war criminals very well.

So, seems like the prosecution did well when it comes to Serb indictees but quite poor when Serbs were the victims. I suppose they will just have to do better in future right? Surprised someone who spent quite a lot of time in BiH is still blind.

The guy is innocent. The search should be on for more of the masterminds and psychopaths responsible for the genocide of 8,373 civilians.

I have received four responses to my question as to why the prosecution evidence was so poor in the Oric case but not a single answer to the question. It seems that no-one wants to accept that this case was poorly handled but instead want to bring up issues about Seselj, Izetbegovic, the quality of my eyesight and my propensity to naivety. If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)

So explain Gotovina.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 16:12)

I'm not aware of any Serb called "Gotovina" locked up on genocide convictions. So it's not clear what explanation you need, dear! You sound a bit confused...
(icj1, 11 October 2017 02:29)

As expected, you didn't answer my question about the verdict of Gotovina.
(Zoran, 11 October 2017 11:17)

Of course, because you did not clarify who is this Serb called "Gotovina" locked up on genocide convictions.

the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent
(sj, 10 October 2017 11:40)

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence [link]
I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:05)

For starters you have no idea the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.
(sj, 11 October 2017 10:11)

That's correct, because few people, if any, have any idea about the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Perhaps the CE of B92 forums sj might want to educate the world with the brilliant definitions he/she has come up about "Court" and "Tribunal" lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Bulls Eye Target on every Serbian's forehead !!!

Are there any Albanian - Bosnian Islamic terrorist or Croatian Nazi Ustase in jail any where for the torture, rape, robbing, ethnic cleansing, horrific murders of Serbian people ???

As long as the USA, England and Germany are in charge of Western Europe the Serbian people will continue to suffer and die until there is no more Srbija ! Double standards from the USA, England and Germany when it comes to Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in the Balkans ! Any body can do what they want to Serbian people and if the Serbian people try to resist and protect their country and them selves, well then the Good Old USA has a lot more of them U-235's for Beograd ! I predict that Srbija will not exist by 2050, Hitler's eradication process for Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity not reversable at this point of no return !!!

There is no justice. It is completley legal now to murder Serbian civilians. Serbia must employ Israeli tactics when it comes to Oric, Dudakovic, Gotovina, Mercep, Thaci and Haradinaj.

SJ: I lived in Bosnia for ten years and watched closely as the Court system was developed. Most people would accuse me of being cynical rather than naive. I am not unaware of how politics works in the Balkans but this case was under very close scrutiny from international observers because of its high profile nature. You have no time for the Bosnian Court or for the Hague so one suspects that any judiciary body that acquits a Bosniak won't meet with your approval. The issue for witness O-1 is that he claimed to have witnessed the shootings but his evidence was in direct contradiction to the forensic evidence. He stated that one of the victims was shot "multiple times" but there was only one wound found on the body. Furthermore evidence that he gave in court was in direct contradiction to statements that he gave prior to the trial. Details were provided in court that he had omitted from his original account Whatever you think of the system, you cannot expect that relying on this level of testimony is going to secure a conviction.

Surely there must have been other people who either witnessed these alleged incidents or heard about them directly from those who did. Where was their evidence and why did the prosecution have only O-1 to rely on? I await their appeal with interest.

the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent
(sj, 10 October 2017 11:40)

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence http://www.icty.org/x/file/Legal%20Library/Rules_procedure_evidence/IT032Rev50_en.pdf

I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

There is no justice. It is completley legal now to murder Serbian civilians. Serbia must employ Israeli tactics when it comes to Oric, Dudakovic, Gotovina, Mercep, Thaci and Haradinaj.
(Ari Gold, 9 October 2017 21:35)


Ari,
Before making threats, you should be aware that those you mentioned above know who you are and where you live. Now you're going to spend much of your time looking over your shoulder.

Amnesty Jugoslavija: Whilst I agree with much of what you say, I cannot believe that you think that Oric would have had a fairer trial in Serbia or the RS. The outcome there would have been even more of a formality than in BiH. The whole situation is almost comical with the Serbian Defence Minister praising a convicted war criminal on the same day that the administration of which the minister is a part is complaining about the Oric verdict. Serbs think their chaps are heroes, Croats think Gotovina is a hero and Bosniaks likewise for Oric. They are all nasty pieces of work but unfortunately for many Serbs, Milosevic was so brazen about what he was doing that once the conflict had finished there was no hiding place for those who had done his bidding. Guerrilla style war fare, as carred out by Seselj (another hero!) and Oric, is far less likely to leave a trail of evidence hence their (eventual) acquittals.

That a person like Seselj, with such severe handicaps, effortlessly exposed the rot and corruption at the ICTY speaks volumes
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 12 October 2017 11:00)

Well, the only thing that Seselj exposed was that he was guilty of crimes for which he was convicted to years in prison. Nice job! lol

Come on, realistically,did you expect any other answer.

we are talking about war crimes and the standard of proof is necessarily high. O-1's evidence didn't come remotely close to that standard.
(ned taylor, 9 October 2017 19:05)
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Yes, when it comes to non-Serbs, that's true. When it comes to Serbs, guilt is assumed and proving innocence is where the standard is high. We've heard so many times that atrocities have been committed against Serbs but somehow no-one can find the culprits. Gotovina, Oric, Haradinaj... all "innocent". If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.

Oric is a convicted criminal and an altogether nasty piece of work but we are talking about war crimes and the standard of proof is necessarily high. O-1's evidence didn't come remotely close to that standard.
(ned taylor, 9 October 2017 19:05)
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so I guess his own bragging about what he has done is not enough but Serbs are convicted on just about anything.
You say you have no idea if he did all those things. If this was Seselj would you still have no idea? Seselj is convicted on holding speeches and not participating in any battles yet this scum has literally blood on his hands and he is "not guilty".
Did you ever doubt Seselj's guilt and what exactly did he do?
How about other Serbs found guilty? How much and what evidence was used to convict them?

Surely there must have been other people who either witnessed these alleged incidents or heard about them directly from those who did. Where was their evidence and why did the prosecution have only O-1 to rely on? I await their appeal with interest.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 13:13)

Oric has blood on his hands and there is plenty of evidence, the problem is NATO and the west is compliant in Oric pulling out of Srebrinica and the mass crimes committed under the veil or UN protected zones, including Zepa and Gorazde. Why don't you convert to a Bosniak-Muslim and go pray to Allah and the Mosques because that is where you belong.

If they were Serbs, the would be locked up on genocide convictions.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 00:18)

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)

So explain Gotovina.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 16:12)

I'm not aware of any Serb called "Gotovina" locked up on genocide convictions. So it's not clear what explanation you need, dear! You sound a bit confused...

Out of all the indictees in the NATO court, I think there is only one case of a KLA prison guard who was sentenced for crimes against Serbs. It seems all others were acquitted. Croats were indicted and sentenced for crimes against Bosnian Muslims but not Serbs. If you study the list, the bias is extremely obvious. But admittedly, not surprising. We all know NATO and the West look after their war criminals very well.
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 14:49)

That's just a dream of yours because a NATO court does not exist. You might want to stop confusing your dreams with reality so you can avoid wasting your time with writing lengthy comments about things that don't exist lol

If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 18:23)
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Probably because he was incompetent without much support while the defence had western backing with fake witnesses, probably saying things like they killed so and so, not Oric and Oric ordered us to respect detainees as we are not Ustasha and Chetniks. Just guessing?
(Zoran, 10 October 2017 21:03)

"Probably" and "guessing"?! So everything you wrote is just a speculation based on your gut feeling, not any facts. No wonder you have become the laughing stock of this forum lol

(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 13:13)

In the case 0-1, the witness was selected by the prosecution – yes the prosecution. If his/her evidence was in contradiction to forensic evidence then it should never have gone to trial mate. Where is the preparation prior to going to court???????? The testing of evidence so it passes scrutiny? That is exactly what does happen in a proper judicial system.
So either the prosecution is so inept or it kept the so called witness to cause an acquittal of Oric. As far as a Serb leading the prosecution, well if he wants to keep his job he does what he is told. There are a number of Serbs that are very well paid in the BiH administration who have on many occasions tried to sell out RS.

As I said Izetbegovic controls the courts and prosecution with the blessing of your internationals.

the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent
(sj, 10 October 2017 11:40)

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence [link]
I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:05)

For starters you have no idea the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.
(sj, 11 October 2017 10:11)

That's correct, because few people, if any, have any idea about the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Perhaps the CE of B92 forums sj might want to educate the world with the brilliant definitions he/she has come up about "Court" and "Tribunal" lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:57)


if you ask nicely I will explain the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.
(sj, 12 October 2017 09:59)

No need to explain it to me; it is those who prepare English dictionaries who would need such a brilliant contribution from the CE of B92 forums sj in order to explain the difference between a Court and Tribunal lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

If future prosecutions are going to be successful then the prosecution will need to do much better. I suspect that in some part they were relying on the bad reputation of the defendant in general and not focusing enough on the specific crimes in question.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 10:04)

After reading your comments I am of the opinion that you are either incredibly naive or live in a world of your own, but one thing is for sure, you have never set foot in BiH or the Balkans.

The court system/BiH prosecution is controlled by Izetbegovic and the freedom loving west fully supports that. If you take it further the rules of evidence in the Hague Tribunal are non existent. It takes rumor and hearsay as evidence. It also takes 3rd and 4th party evidence as fact. You don't have to be at the scene to witness a crime; your testimony about someone telling you that a war crime was committed was sufficient.

Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted.
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:15)
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So explain Gotovina. He was found guilty unanimously by three judges, beyond reasonable doubt in the first instance. Then on appeal, three found him not guilty and two found him guilty.

So five judges, in all, found him guilty, yes, beyond reasonable doubt and three not but he is a free man. I'm waiting for your explanation my dear but no points for the obvious... that's right, he's not a Serb.

From Leonard's clone: "Every thing you Serbs tried in the past turned to dust. No Greater Serbia, No SAO Krajina, No Kosova and No access to the sea...."

You conveniently forgot Bosnia Hercegovina where Serbs are 33% of the population yet hold 49% of the land. This area is known as Republika Srpska. Oh, that's right it doesn't fit your ant-Serb narrative. And let us not forget that the Croat population of B-H (where the Ustasha originated) gets smaller day by day. I'd say Serbs gained quite a bit there as they operate autonomously and will soon be completely independent or unite with Serbia. Next time tell the full story.

If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 18:23)
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Ned, the broader question is why corrupt institutions in BiH, ICTY, and other parts of Yugoslavia refused to properly investigate crimes? Many of these corrupt foreign and domestic investigators and jurists, as blatantly demonstrated by the BiHCC and the ICTY, instead chose to base decisions on ethinicty and politics rather than evidence and legal precedent.

The prosecution in this case was not from Republika Srpska. Although they may have a few token "Bosnian Serb", you are correct to wonder whether the other groups can investigate their criminals and contribute to their prosecution. Also, you may be correct to wonder if justice would have been more thorough if this process was concluded in RS or Serbia, as the latter actually initiated Oric's extradition.
Mektic said "the prosecution was not committed to proving guilt". So according to BIH's own minister, the trial was rigged.
The corrupt jurists in Oric's trial are no better than their domestic and foreign counterparts who sit on the BiH CC or in the ICTY. Perhaps BiHCC, and its war crimes courts should also prepare to join the ICTY in history's waste bin.

Actually, ICTY does have rules of procedure and evidence [link]

I'm not sure though if the CE of B92 forums sj has approved them lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:05)


For starters you have no idea the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Second its fine to have a so-called set of rules, but another to observed them as on numerous occasions in the past both the indicted and defence have complained about the Tribunal not observing their own rules mate.

During the trial of one of the first Serbs to be convicted the Tribunal’s only “first hand witness” was proven to have lied in court and confessed on the stand that Sarajevo paid him to lie while the testimony from all the other “witnesses” were third and fourth hand – in other words rumour and hearsay. What happened to the so-called witness who lied? Nothing. Left the court without even a reprimand.

Since you’re not that bright, if this case was reviewed by prosecuting office in a normal judicial system it would not have gone to trial, and if it did it would have been thrown out of court. The Serb got 15 years.
So much for your rules LOL.

The anger in Serbia about these verdicts should be directed towards the prosecution.

(ned taylor, 9 October 2017 19:05) 

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Why restrict anger and condemnation to the prosecution? The lack of an effort in BiH to investigate the role of Oric's command and his underlings in the criminal enterprise committed against an entire ethnic group should be condemned without prejudice.
The anger among all individuals (not only in Serbia) seeking justice should be directed toward corrupt investigative and judicial processes in the ICTY, BiH and other parts of former Yugoslavia.



Goran They would free theirs, you would free yours. But the commentary says they should face justice. That does include yours.(Bob, 09. oktobar 2017 13:41)I wouldn't free 'ours' Bob and I dont count people who kill others as human, nor should they be allowed to breathe the same air the rest of us do. What I have a problem with is law that is applied selectively. The people I mentioned in my post were the leaders of the Serbs and went to the Hague for the murder of the other ethnicities. Where are the leaders of the other ethnicities or anyone that killed the Serbs?

If anyone actually has a view as to why the prosecution, led by a Bosnian Serb, was so pitiful I would be interested to read it.
(ned taylor, 10 October 2017 18:23)
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Probably because he was incompetent without much support while the defence had western backing with fake witnesses, probably saying things like they killed so and so, not Oric and Oric ordered us to respect detainees as we are not Ustasha and Chetniks. Just guessing?

From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Only if the evidence against them proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they committed the crime, otherwise they would be acquitted."

icj1 must be seeing unicorns and candy canes in her sleep again. Time for you to get your meds adjusted again Ina dear,

SJ: I lived in Bosnia for ten years and watched closely as the Court system was developed.
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@Ned
So what? How much do you really know about the system? Are you in the legal system to know how things work?
You say the prosecutor didn't have evidence for a conviction. OK, maybe the investigators just didn't do their job, so that's why he should've been handed over to Serbia when they had a warrant for his arrest.
Why was he sent to Bosnia when it was Serbia who wanted him? Any ideas? Maybe that doesn't make your no evidence BS a little easier to publicise.
I am sure there is evidence and Serbia has it.
Do you think that the reason they had a Serb prosecutor in Bosnia was to give the illusion that this was going to be a serious trial?

"Probably" and "guessing"?! So everything you wrote is just a speculation based on your gut feeling, not any facts. No wonder you have become the laughing stock of this forum lol
(icj1, 11 October 2017 02:40)

The only laughing stock here is you. So keep us amused with nonsensical commentary - it must be wonderful being in your own little world where you see yourself as a brilliant critic, but back to reality, your not, just a laughing stock LOL.

"Probably" and "guessing"?! So everything you wrote is just a speculation based on your gut feeling, not any facts. No wonder you have become the laughing stock of this forum lol
(icj1, 11 October 2017 02:40)
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LOL! As expected, you didn't answer my question about the verdict of Gotovina. Five judges found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt and he walks free. So what you said is false and you will need to take it up with the NATO court.

Also, learn to use a search engine and as mentioned, get assistance from the nurses regarding comprehension. I hope they can help. As it turns out, my "guesses" ended up being factual...

We heard Naser [Oric] say: “Don’t beat him. We are neither Chetniks nor Ustashas. They will be tried by a court martial,’” he said. Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/surrender-of-soldiers-in-zalazje-03-22-2016

"The prosecution also cited testimony from witness Ibran Mustafic, who said that while Oric was at his apartment, he admitted having killed Slobodan Ilic." Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/prosecution-urges-jail-for-bosniak-commander-oric-08-29-2017

The case looks pretty rigged to me with an incompetent prosecution, probably organised by the side as the defence. But not surprisingly, what else should we expect?

I cannot believe that you think that Oric would have had a fairer trial in Serbia or the RS. The outcome there would have been even more of a formality than in BiH.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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He certainly wouldn't have had a prosecution "that wasn't committed to proving guilt." Whether you think that is "fair" or not depends on whether you are a victim, a victim's family, or a supporter of Oric.

The whole situation is almost comical with the Serbian Defence Minister praising a convicted war criminal.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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Yes, conviction by a court as corrupt as the ICTY, is comical. It simply has reinforced the ethnic politics that deny justice and provided more power to narrow minded politicians.

icj1, looks like you've been left to play on the computers unsupervised. I think it's past your bed time there in Australia. Time to take your meds and get to sleep I think.

hat's correct, because few people, if any, have any idea about the difference between a Tribunal and a Court. Perhaps the CE of B92 forums sj might want to educate the world with the brilliant definitions he/she has come up about "Court" and "Tribunal" lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:57)

As usual our resident laughing stock opens its mouth and continues to make us laugh. Please keep it up. I cant speak for others but at least I enjoy laughing at your drivel.

You open your mouth make comment without knowing your subject LOL but if you ask nicely I will explain the difference between a Tribunal and a Court.

Remember ask nicely with a please.

Serbs think their chaps are heroes, Croats think Gotovina is a hero and Bosniaks likewise for Oric.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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A Yugoslav court should have judged all of them. Unfortunately, the ethnic nationalists backed by foreign support were more concerned with destroying Yugoslavia. The corrupt ICTY was simply another extension of that process.


Guerrilla style war fare, as carred out by Seselj (another hero!) and Oric, is far less likely to leave a trail of evidence hence their (eventual) acquittals.
(ned taylor, 11 October 2017 10:56)
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Oric was not a "guerrilla" but was a commander in BiH's Muslim army. The ICTY willfully disregarded his and his criminal group's indictment, prosecution, and conviction as part of a"Joint Criminal Enterprise". The JCE doctrine in the ICTY was prejudicially applied, and is so contentious that it is unconstitutional in many jurisdictions, in order to convict people of crimes when even the ICTY accepts that they did not, in fact, commit them or that the proof is lacking to show their guilt.

Ned, you may consider Seselj a "hero", but I do not. He's another narrow minded ethnic nationalist. Moreover, he is a poor lawyer. That a person like Seselj, with such severe handicaps, effortlessly exposed the rot and corruption at the ICTY speaks volumes about the horrid state of justice practiced by that culpable enterprise.

Well, the only thing that Seselj exposed was that he was guilty of crimes for which he was convicted to years in prison. Nice job! lol
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:41)

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Who are we to argue? icj1, the CB of B92, is a leading authority and practitioner of incriminating themselves with idiotic rebuttal, ignorant commentary and intolerant statements. Yes, we completely concede that icj1 is plagued with the severest mental handicaps which they convincingly expose on a daily basis.

PS CB = Chief Bigot