Kosovo and Catalonia are no different, says expert

Tibor Varadi is a former minister of justice of Yugoslavia and a member of the Serb Acadamy of Sciences and Art, and we all know what this infamous institution did in the past. They do anything to glorify Serbia and have instigated nothing but problems for Serbia and the entire Balkans with their ruthless policies.

Of course to anyone with common sense it's no different but the hypocrites won't admit to it otherwise it exposes their double standards.

We have two entities within a state declaring independence without the consent of said state. I don't know, looks the same to me but wait...one flag has red in it while the other does not and one beings with C and the other with K... there you go, the one beginning with K is unique because Catalonia and Crimea both begin with C and we'll ignore the Kurds for now.

Posts from paranoid Albanians attacking the person instead of the argument because they can't refute the argument so they think because it comes from Serbia it carries no merit. Such racism from Europe's Youngest Democrats.

Tibor Varadi is a former minister of justice of Yugoslavia and a member of the Serb Acadamy of Sciences and Art, and we all know what this infamous institution did in the past. They do anything to glorify Serbia and have instigated nothing but problems for Serbia and the entire Balkans with their ruthless policies.
(observer, 4 October 2017 14:35)

Oh Willi, you clearly take a paycheck to be an idiot around here.

Here's Varadi's Wikipedia page, which describes him as a normal scholar who has worked just as much outside the Yugoslav region as in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibor_V%C3%A1rady

Just because his bio says he's a former member of SANU doesn't mean anything. That's like saying you, as a citizen of Germany, means you're responsible for two world wars, the Holocaust, horrible Schlager music, and feeding into the international stereotype of Germans have weird homoerotic fetishes. I guess being pro-Albanian means you have to walk into their stereotypes too, eh? Don't even know why you decided to come back here after an absence and write under a new name. You're still the same ignorant little snowflake you've always been.

If Albanians and their supporters can't attack the argument, which looks solid and logical to me, they attack the person. Just goes to show their weakness.

Tibor is an ethnic Hungarian that was born in Vojvodina. If he supported independence of Vojvodina then he would be one of their heroes. Simple minded people.

Born and raised and educated in Serbia, ahh always nice to know the opinion of an extremely biased individual.

He's also a regular member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, lol.

Serbs scraping the bottom as usual.

This support was always going to be fragile. The Bosnian Serbs with the full support of Serbian government had committed horrific crimes in Bosnia so it was always unlikely that Serbia would be given the same leeway in Kosovo.
(Dwight, 4 October 2017 18:09)

I don't know how Bosnia is connected to Kosovo but you somehow veered off topic in your comment. If your argument is that Kosovo was granted independence because of the level of violence used against them by Serbs, then it would have made sense to grant Kosovo its independence immediately after violence in 1999. Instead, it was stapled back to Serbia under a UN agreement that recognized it being part of Serbia, and by extension Yugoslavia. Granting independence nearly 10 years after conflict and after Milosevic was ad hoc and largely because the international community failed to tell the Albanians that statehood was out of the question. Atrocities far worse than Kosovo have been committed on people by another group within the same state and the international community has always affirmed the sanctity of borders. Catalans can point to a long history of oppression under Spanish authority, but it they can't secede, then Kosovo's claims to statehood are even more problematic.

All the eyes to Catalonia!

I will hold my breath!

Is this a revolution?

(Zoran, 4 October 2017 17:32)

The argument is that legally Kosovo and Catalonia are no different, and this is true if you look at the start of the conflict in Serbia
When Kosovo was peacefully protesting, the international organisations supported Serbia, even after Serbia was cracking down very hard.
This support was always going to be fragile. The Bosnian Serbs with the full support of Serbian government had committed horrific crimes in Bosnia so it was always unlikely that Serbia would be given the same leeway in Kosovo.
It amazes me how you and the rest of the remaining chetniks in Serbia will cry about the law when for years you supported mass murder of undesirables, quite like a guilty murderer trying to get the charges dropped on some technicality.

I will hold my breath now.
Joni

Don't hold your breath Joni.Hold instead Rama's hand and walk together to Placa Catalunya to start your revolution.

lol serbian expert lol

(Bana al-Catalonia, 4 October 2017 18:53)

You have very good English and spelling for a 7 year old. I thought you might be Bana Alabed, but she is 8.
You are lucky that they only beat you, if you were from Kosovo wanting independence from Serbia in 1990s they would burn your house and steal all you own.
If one of your family or neighbors was a protest leader or involved in KLA they may even kill you. In the Serbian newspapers you would be described as as a criminal killed in an anti-terrorist operation.
They might burn your body to hide the crime. Years later will cry crocodile tears about international law.

They might burn your body to hide the crime. Years later will cry crocodile tears about international law.
(good luck catalonia, 4 October 2017 19:05)

And then cover it up by hiding behind US protection, killing any and all witnesses willing to testify in international courts, while running war criminals indicted for such crimes as national heroes for local government.

You're talking about Albanians, right?

The attitude of Serbs showing no remorse of what they did in Kosovo is the very reason why Kosovo can not be part of Serbia again.

Ethnic cleansing in Kosovo in 1999 was not "something new". Ethnic cleansing against Albanians has been a consistent plan in Serbia politics even before First Balkanic War.
The attitude of Serbs showing no remorse of what they did in Kosovo is the very reason why Kosovo can not be part of Serbia again.

Ethnic cleansing in Kosovo in 1999 was not "something new". Ethnic cleansing against Albanians have been a consistent plain in Serbia politics even before First Balkanic War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expulsion_of_the_Albanians

And they even don`t try to hide that they still are waiting for the "right" moment to "finish the job".

@the actual truth, sorry, multiple articles,
What I meant was that the EU etc were always going to be quicker to get involved in Kosovo. They ignored Bosnia for so long and could not let the same thing happen again.
However, the fact that Kosovo took so long to fully claim independence shows how the West were never a big supporter of Kosovo independence.
Serbian news and politicians spend a lot of time talking about the end of the wars + NATO bombing, but it was 1980 when the first real protest started, 1986 was when it started to get bad, 1989 was the revokation of autonomy, 1998 the war, 2008 before independence.
1990-1998 is 18 years the the West supported Serbia/Yugoslavia and a further 10 before support for independence.
Following the same timeline with Catalonia, it would be independent in 2045, so the EU support for Spanish government IS the same as EU support for Yugoslavia/Serbia at the start of the conflict.

Kosovo/Catalonia and the EU postion are no different if you are looking at early years
Kosovo/Catalonia and the EU postion are completely different if you are looking at later years

These vague comparisons without including timelines are not worthy of an academician. One has to include the time when making comparisons. The situation of Catalonia today maybe can be compared to the situation of Kosovo in 1990-1991.

The integrity of Yugoslavia (Serbia) as pertains Kosovo was indeed being supported in 1991. It was indeed supported for many years after that. Kosovo was treated as part of Serbia throughout most of the 90s. For instance, Albanians wanted to be included in the Dayton accords but they weren't because of the support to Serbia from the international community. They had a referendum in 1991 but nobody recognized it, except Albania. Because of the support to Yugoslavia (Serbia) from the international community. It is the arrogance, egoism, and stupidity of Serbia's political class, namely Milosevic and his minions, that squandered that support.

If the situation in Catalonia will degenerate in the same way as it did in Kosovo, then maybe maybe this academician's comparisons can be closer to making sense.

Hello world, hello B92 readers! My name is Bana, Bana al-Catalonia! I am 7 years old girl the government of Spain has beaten me and my mother just because we were walking on the street near a polling station! My mother didn't want to vote we were just going to supermarket. Spaniard occupiers has beaten innocent people! Please pray for us and spread this comment to the world!

@ Bana al-Catalonia

I find it hard to believe the Catalans are oppressed when your region is Spain's economic centre and fincial power house.

Further, I would have thought twice before taking a minor to the supermarket during a non sanction ed protest.

What kind of supervising skills is that?

Dwight, seriously, you are full of it.
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Dwight -> What I meant was that the EU etc were always going to be quicker to get involved in Kosovo. They ignored Bosnia for so long and could not let the same thing happen again.
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BS. The EC was heavily involved from the beginning and proposed plans that were accepted but the US interfered and war continued. Remember, the Serbs accepted all plans and war could have been averted. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_plans_proposed_before_and_during_the_Bosnian_War
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Dwight -> However, the fact that Kosovo took so long to fully claim independence shows how the West were never a big supporter of Kosovo independence.
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More BS. The west's attention was diverted on 11 Sept 2001. So while supporting terrorists in Kosovo, other terrorists decided to fly planes into the twin towers so attention went to Afghanistan and Iraq. After making a mess there, Bush decided to make a bigger mess in Kosovo. After all, by that time the only people in the world that liked him were Albanians. He was treated as a hero and lost his watch! LOL!
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1990-1998 is 18 years the the West supported Serbia/Yugoslavia and a further 10 before support for independence.
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Even more BS. The US, more specifically Victoria Nuland on 11/7/2016 stated "The United States have been investing in Kosovo’s sovereignty and independence for 20 years". Check -> media.unmikonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Headlines-11.07.2016.doc

@ good luck Catalonia Thank you for reply and wish for good luck! They can't burn my apartment because we live in a building in center of Barcelona and firefighters here are defending our people against bad man Mariano Rajoy! He is a dictator like Asad or your Milosevic! Please pray for us!

Dwight, everyone in Bosnia committed horrific crimes. It's strange how you only see one side. That was a time of war.

Between 1999 and 2008, during a time of relative peace, K-Albanians launched their pogrom. Taken from -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo

"...during the unrest, civilians were killed, thousands of Serbs were forced to leave their homes, 935 Serb houses, 10 public facilities (schools, health care centers and post offices) and 35 Serbian Orthodox church buildings were desecrated, damaged or destroyed, and six towns and nine villages were ethnically cleansed."

And you think they deserve independence? Wow, I'd say your brain is fried from all that fake news of the 90s.

Serbs scraping the bottom as usual.
(Albanian Boy, 4 October 2017 15:30)
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Perhaps Serbia should've asked for your "expert" opinion. Would that be more acceptable to you?
Now that would be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

(Zoran, 5 October 2017 01:20)
They ignored Bosnia for so long. >> I meant military involvment not political.

"everyone in Bosnia committed horrific crimes. It's strange how you only see one side. That was a time of war."
No, not everyone did, some people did, and the majority of these crimes were committed by Bosnian Serbs with the support of the Serbian government.
You will never hear me make excuses for war criminals no matter what side they are on, like you often do.
You will never hear me wishing for war crimes by anyone, like you often do

What happened in 2004 was awful yes but I don't understand why it bothers you so much, when Serb gov did worse to Albanians, you cheered them on.

What happened in 2004 was awful yes but I don't understand why it bothers you so much, when Serb gov did worse to Albanians, you cheered them on.
(Dwight, 5 October 2017 09:59)
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Really, what worse things did the Serb gov do to Albanians and when? Even the US recognised the KLA as a terrorist organisation. How is the world treating terrorists in the Middle East? Have you seen the destruction and death going on there? Serbs were very very very restrained in comparison. The KLA was killing civilians, not only Serbs but Albanians and other minorities who were loyal to Serbia.

This all comes down to whose side you are on. As Bush famously said, "You're either with us or against us". The US works in black and white and they simply saw Albanians on there side (so all crimes are covered up) and Serbs on Russia's side (so all crimes are exaggerated). Simple as that. You can pretty much apply that rule to everything that's going on in the world, except the Western alliance is fractured now and falling apart.

adi--bucarest:

“The current pace of growth of the Romanian economy is unlikely to be sustainable going forward,” Christopher Mc Innes, Romania Economist at FocusEconomics, tells Emerging Europe.

“The effects of the tax cuts and salary hikes that have fuelled the current consumption-led economic boom are expected to recede as higher inflation starts eating into consumers’ newly found purchasing power. For these reasons, the Central Bank is expected to tighten its monetary policy in order to keep inflationary pressures in check. This could keep investment growth muted and mitigate the benefits of the greater absorption of EU funds. At the same time, the government is likely to tighten its fiscal policy, in order to avoid a stern talking to from Brussels,” he adds.

And then cover it up by hiding behind US protection, killing any and all witnesses willing to testify in international courts, while running war criminals indicted for such crimes as national heroes for local government.

You're talking about Albanians, right?
(the actual truth, 4 October 2017 19:20)

Of course he`s talking about Albanians. Milosevic was Albanian, right?

Who are you talking to Dwight? Me? Pretty much everything you stated is just made up. I have no idea where that came from. Wow.

for FACT MAN PART 2

here is eurostat official statistic http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/8264537/4-04102017-AP-EN.pdf/4979a003-b643-47fa-94b1-a9afce034311

in august most of Eu collapsed in retail estate while we had big grow

there in a statistic we are at +15% at someting and most of other from Eu are +2% +3% second place is at +7% " Among Member States for which data are available, the highest increases in the total retail trade volume were
registered in Romania (+15.8%), Slovenia (+7.5%), Malta (+6.9% "

IF WE KEEP ON TRUCKING 1 MORE MONTH IN SEPTEMBER it will be EARTHQUAKE IN GDP GROW , in industry we already had again +

"The KLA was killing civilians"..you dont care about civilians you already said.
If it all comes down to whose side you are on and you dont care about the death of anyone not on your side, why do you spend so much time excusing war crimes of Serbia gov and exaggerating war crimes of all others.
You consider the KLA killing civilians as unjustified crimes, but if the Serbian army does the same it is justified.
You complain about Christian church being burned but you are not even a Christian.

"Really, what worse things did the Serb gov do to Albanians and when?"
Here on Wikipedia is a list of massacres committed during the Kosovo war.
13 of 24 of these were these were committed by the Serbian government against unarmed civilians, killing of 1000 people.
That is excluding the civilians were killed in operations against KLA.

You live in Australia on land confiscated from the natives spitting about Kosovo is Serbia. I don't know how you can live with all the hatred inside you, wishing death on people you never met or know nothing about. Go out tonight have a few beers, maybe get laid, you might loosen up a bit.

Between 1999 and 2008, during a time of relative peace, K-Albanians launched their pogrom. Taken from -> [link]

"...during the unrest, civilians were killed, thousands of Serbs were forced to leave their homes, 935 Serb houses, 10 public facilities (schools, health care centers and post offices) and 35 Serbian Orthodox church buildings were desecrated, damaged or destroyed, and six towns and nine villages were ethnically cleansed."
(Zoran, 4 October 2017 22:22)

Yes, and whoever did the above acts was a criminal which is why, as described in the same link that you provided:

"Kosovo Police established a special investigation team to handle cases related to the 2004 unrest and according to Kosovo Judicial Council by the end of 2006 the 326 charges filed by municipal and district prosecutors for criminal offenses in connection with the unrest had resulted in 200 indictments: convictions in 134 cases, and courts acquitted eight and dismissed 28; 30 cases were pending. International prosecutors and judges handled the most sensitive cases. By March 2010, 143 Kosovars of Albanian ethnicity were convicted, of which 67 received prison terms of over a year."

If Serbia's government, police and courts had acted the same way in 1999, Kosovo would still be part of Serbia today.

what worse things did the Serb gov do to Albanians and when?
(Zoran, 5 October 2017 10:52)

According to the UN, there was a broad campaign of violence directed against the Kosovo Albanian civilian population by forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, during which there were incidents of killing, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques. It was the deliberate actions of these forces that caused the departure of at least 700,000 Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo in the short period of time between the end of March and beginning of June 1999. Efforts by the MUP to conceal the killing of Kosovo Albanians, by transporting the bodies to other areas of Serbia, also suggest that such killings were criminal in nature.
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Serbs were very very very restrained
(Zoran, 5 October 2017 10:52)

It depends what you mean by "Serbs". If you are referring to some Serbs who were members of the forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, it does not appear they were that restrained according to the UN description above of what they did in Kosovo!

international community failed to tell the Albanians that statehood was out of the question.
(the actual truth, 4 October 2017 19:34)

Exactly, UNSCR 1244 (which speaks for the international community) never said that Kosovo's statehood was out of the question. To the contrary, according to Serbia, UNSCR 1244 requests in all practical terms that Serbia renounce a part of its sovereign territory. Which is why Kosovo declared independence in accordance with UNSCR 1244.

"Kosovo and Catalonia are no different, says expert"

I will still sympathize with Kosovo* more. The squatters remind me when I didn't have a life, and when I seldom washed and brushed.

Tibor Varadi is a former minister of justice of Yugoslavia and a member of the Serb Acadamy of Sciences and Art, and we all know what this infamous institution did in the past. They do anything to glorify Serbia and have instigated nothing but problems for Serbia and the entire Balkans with their ruthless policies.
(observer, 4 October 2017 14:35)

Oh Willi, you clearly take a paycheck to be an idiot around here.

Here's Varadi's Wikipedia page, which describes him as a normal scholar who has worked just as much outside the Yugoslav region as in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibor_V%C3%A1rady

Just because his bio says he's a former member of SANU doesn't mean anything. That's like saying you, as a citizen of Germany, means you're responsible for two world wars, the Holocaust, horrible Schlager music, and feeding into the international stereotype of Germans have weird homoerotic fetishes. I guess being pro-Albanian means you have to walk into their stereotypes too, eh? Don't even know why you decided to come back here after an absence and write under a new name. You're still the same ignorant little snowflake you've always been.

Born and raised and educated in Serbia, ahh always nice to know the opinion of an extremely biased individual.

He's also a regular member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, lol.

Serbs scraping the bottom as usual.

lol serbian expert lol

Tibor Varadi is a former minister of justice of Yugoslavia and a member of the Serb Acadamy of Sciences and Art, and we all know what this infamous institution did in the past. They do anything to glorify Serbia and have instigated nothing but problems for Serbia and the entire Balkans with their ruthless policies.

Of course to anyone with common sense it's no different but the hypocrites won't admit to it otherwise it exposes their double standards.

We have two entities within a state declaring independence without the consent of said state. I don't know, looks the same to me but wait...one flag has red in it while the other does not and one beings with C and the other with K... there you go, the one beginning with K is unique because Catalonia and Crimea both begin with C and we'll ignore the Kurds for now.

for FACT MAN PART 2

here is eurostat official statistic http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/8264537/4-04102017-AP-EN.pdf/4979a003-b643-47fa-94b1-a9afce034311

in august most of Eu collapsed in retail estate while we had big grow

there in a statistic we are at +15% at someting and most of other from Eu are +2% +3% second place is at +7% " Among Member States for which data are available, the highest increases in the total retail trade volume were
registered in Romania (+15.8%), Slovenia (+7.5%), Malta (+6.9% "

IF WE KEEP ON TRUCKING 1 MORE MONTH IN SEPTEMBER it will be EARTHQUAKE IN GDP GROW , in industry we already had again +

They might burn your body to hide the crime. Years later will cry crocodile tears about international law.
(good luck catalonia, 4 October 2017 19:05)

And then cover it up by hiding behind US protection, killing any and all witnesses willing to testify in international courts, while running war criminals indicted for such crimes as national heroes for local government.

You're talking about Albanians, right?

Posts from paranoid Albanians attacking the person instead of the argument because they can't refute the argument so they think because it comes from Serbia it carries no merit. Such racism from Europe's Youngest Democrats.

This support was always going to be fragile. The Bosnian Serbs with the full support of Serbian government had committed horrific crimes in Bosnia so it was always unlikely that Serbia would be given the same leeway in Kosovo.
(Dwight, 4 October 2017 18:09)

I don't know how Bosnia is connected to Kosovo but you somehow veered off topic in your comment. If your argument is that Kosovo was granted independence because of the level of violence used against them by Serbs, then it would have made sense to grant Kosovo its independence immediately after violence in 1999. Instead, it was stapled back to Serbia under a UN agreement that recognized it being part of Serbia, and by extension Yugoslavia. Granting independence nearly 10 years after conflict and after Milosevic was ad hoc and largely because the international community failed to tell the Albanians that statehood was out of the question. Atrocities far worse than Kosovo have been committed on people by another group within the same state and the international community has always affirmed the sanctity of borders. Catalans can point to a long history of oppression under Spanish authority, but it they can't secede, then Kosovo's claims to statehood are even more problematic.

(Zoran, 4 October 2017 17:32)

The argument is that legally Kosovo and Catalonia are no different, and this is true if you look at the start of the conflict in Serbia
When Kosovo was peacefully protesting, the international organisations supported Serbia, even after Serbia was cracking down very hard.
This support was always going to be fragile. The Bosnian Serbs with the full support of Serbian government had committed horrific crimes in Bosnia so it was always unlikely that Serbia would be given the same leeway in Kosovo.
It amazes me how you and the rest of the remaining chetniks in Serbia will cry about the law when for years you supported mass murder of undesirables, quite like a guilty murderer trying to get the charges dropped on some technicality.

If Albanians and their supporters can't attack the argument, which looks solid and logical to me, they attack the person. Just goes to show their weakness.

Tibor is an ethnic Hungarian that was born in Vojvodina. If he supported independence of Vojvodina then he would be one of their heroes. Simple minded people.

All the eyes to Catalonia!

I will hold my breath!

Is this a revolution?

The attitude of Serbs showing no remorse of what they did in Kosovo is the very reason why Kosovo can not be part of Serbia again.

Ethnic cleansing in Kosovo in 1999 was not "something new". Ethnic cleansing against Albanians has been a consistent plan in Serbia politics even before First Balkanic War.
The attitude of Serbs showing no remorse of what they did in Kosovo is the very reason why Kosovo can not be part of Serbia again.

Ethnic cleansing in Kosovo in 1999 was not "something new". Ethnic cleansing against Albanians have been a consistent plain in Serbia politics even before First Balkanic War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expulsion_of_the_Albanians

And they even don`t try to hide that they still are waiting for the "right" moment to "finish the job".

@ good luck Catalonia Thank you for reply and wish for good luck! They can't burn my apartment because we live in a building in center of Barcelona and firefighters here are defending our people against bad man Mariano Rajoy! He is a dictator like Asad or your Milosevic! Please pray for us!

Serbs scraping the bottom as usual.
(Albanian Boy, 4 October 2017 15:30)
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Perhaps Serbia should've asked for your "expert" opinion. Would that be more acceptable to you?
Now that would be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

What happened in 2004 was awful yes but I don't understand why it bothers you so much, when Serb gov did worse to Albanians, you cheered them on.
(Dwight, 5 October 2017 09:59)
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Really, what worse things did the Serb gov do to Albanians and when? Even the US recognised the KLA as a terrorist organisation. How is the world treating terrorists in the Middle East? Have you seen the destruction and death going on there? Serbs were very very very restrained in comparison. The KLA was killing civilians, not only Serbs but Albanians and other minorities who were loyal to Serbia.

This all comes down to whose side you are on. As Bush famously said, "You're either with us or against us". The US works in black and white and they simply saw Albanians on there side (so all crimes are covered up) and Serbs on Russia's side (so all crimes are exaggerated). Simple as that. You can pretty much apply that rule to everything that's going on in the world, except the Western alliance is fractured now and falling apart.

(Bana al-Catalonia, 4 October 2017 18:53)

You have very good English and spelling for a 7 year old. I thought you might be Bana Alabed, but she is 8.
You are lucky that they only beat you, if you were from Kosovo wanting independence from Serbia in 1990s they would burn your house and steal all you own.
If one of your family or neighbors was a protest leader or involved in KLA they may even kill you. In the Serbian newspapers you would be described as as a criminal killed in an anti-terrorist operation.
They might burn your body to hide the crime. Years later will cry crocodile tears about international law.

Dwight, seriously, you are full of it.
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Dwight -> What I meant was that the EU etc were always going to be quicker to get involved in Kosovo. They ignored Bosnia for so long and could not let the same thing happen again.
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BS. The EC was heavily involved from the beginning and proposed plans that were accepted but the US interfered and war continued. Remember, the Serbs accepted all plans and war could have been averted. Check -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_plans_proposed_before_and_during_the_Bosnian_War
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Dwight -> However, the fact that Kosovo took so long to fully claim independence shows how the West were never a big supporter of Kosovo independence.
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More BS. The west's attention was diverted on 11 Sept 2001. So while supporting terrorists in Kosovo, other terrorists decided to fly planes into the twin towers so attention went to Afghanistan and Iraq. After making a mess there, Bush decided to make a bigger mess in Kosovo. After all, by that time the only people in the world that liked him were Albanians. He was treated as a hero and lost his watch! LOL!
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1990-1998 is 18 years the the West supported Serbia/Yugoslavia and a further 10 before support for independence.
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Even more BS. The US, more specifically Victoria Nuland on 11/7/2016 stated "The United States have been investing in Kosovo’s sovereignty and independence for 20 years". Check -> media.unmikonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Headlines-11.07.2016.doc

Who are you talking to Dwight? Me? Pretty much everything you stated is just made up. I have no idea where that came from. Wow.

Dwight, everyone in Bosnia committed horrific crimes. It's strange how you only see one side. That was a time of war.

Between 1999 and 2008, during a time of relative peace, K-Albanians launched their pogrom. Taken from -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo

"...during the unrest, civilians were killed, thousands of Serbs were forced to leave their homes, 935 Serb houses, 10 public facilities (schools, health care centers and post offices) and 35 Serbian Orthodox church buildings were desecrated, damaged or destroyed, and six towns and nine villages were ethnically cleansed."

And you think they deserve independence? Wow, I'd say your brain is fried from all that fake news of the 90s.

I will hold my breath now.
Joni

Don't hold your breath Joni.Hold instead Rama's hand and walk together to Placa Catalunya to start your revolution.

Hello world, hello B92 readers! My name is Bana, Bana al-Catalonia! I am 7 years old girl the government of Spain has beaten me and my mother just because we were walking on the street near a polling station! My mother didn't want to vote we were just going to supermarket. Spaniard occupiers has beaten innocent people! Please pray for us and spread this comment to the world!

adi--bucarest:

“The current pace of growth of the Romanian economy is unlikely to be sustainable going forward,” Christopher Mc Innes, Romania Economist at FocusEconomics, tells Emerging Europe.

“The effects of the tax cuts and salary hikes that have fuelled the current consumption-led economic boom are expected to recede as higher inflation starts eating into consumers’ newly found purchasing power. For these reasons, the Central Bank is expected to tighten its monetary policy in order to keep inflationary pressures in check. This could keep investment growth muted and mitigate the benefits of the greater absorption of EU funds. At the same time, the government is likely to tighten its fiscal policy, in order to avoid a stern talking to from Brussels,” he adds.

These vague comparisons without including timelines are not worthy of an academician. One has to include the time when making comparisons. The situation of Catalonia today maybe can be compared to the situation of Kosovo in 1990-1991.

The integrity of Yugoslavia (Serbia) as pertains Kosovo was indeed being supported in 1991. It was indeed supported for many years after that. Kosovo was treated as part of Serbia throughout most of the 90s. For instance, Albanians wanted to be included in the Dayton accords but they weren't because of the support to Serbia from the international community. They had a referendum in 1991 but nobody recognized it, except Albania. Because of the support to Yugoslavia (Serbia) from the international community. It is the arrogance, egoism, and stupidity of Serbia's political class, namely Milosevic and his minions, that squandered that support.

If the situation in Catalonia will degenerate in the same way as it did in Kosovo, then maybe maybe this academician's comparisons can be closer to making sense.

(Zoran, 5 October 2017 01:20)
They ignored Bosnia for so long. >> I meant military involvment not political.

"everyone in Bosnia committed horrific crimes. It's strange how you only see one side. That was a time of war."
No, not everyone did, some people did, and the majority of these crimes were committed by Bosnian Serbs with the support of the Serbian government.
You will never hear me make excuses for war criminals no matter what side they are on, like you often do.
You will never hear me wishing for war crimes by anyone, like you often do

What happened in 2004 was awful yes but I don't understand why it bothers you so much, when Serb gov did worse to Albanians, you cheered them on.

"The KLA was killing civilians"..you dont care about civilians you already said.
If it all comes down to whose side you are on and you dont care about the death of anyone not on your side, why do you spend so much time excusing war crimes of Serbia gov and exaggerating war crimes of all others.
You consider the KLA killing civilians as unjustified crimes, but if the Serbian army does the same it is justified.
You complain about Christian church being burned but you are not even a Christian.

"Really, what worse things did the Serb gov do to Albanians and when?"
Here on Wikipedia is a list of massacres committed during the Kosovo war.
13 of 24 of these were these were committed by the Serbian government against unarmed civilians, killing of 1000 people.
That is excluding the civilians were killed in operations against KLA.

You live in Australia on land confiscated from the natives spitting about Kosovo is Serbia. I don't know how you can live with all the hatred inside you, wishing death on people you never met or know nothing about. Go out tonight have a few beers, maybe get laid, you might loosen up a bit.

@the actual truth, sorry, multiple articles,
What I meant was that the EU etc were always going to be quicker to get involved in Kosovo. They ignored Bosnia for so long and could not let the same thing happen again.
However, the fact that Kosovo took so long to fully claim independence shows how the West were never a big supporter of Kosovo independence.
Serbian news and politicians spend a lot of time talking about the end of the wars + NATO bombing, but it was 1980 when the first real protest started, 1986 was when it started to get bad, 1989 was the revokation of autonomy, 1998 the war, 2008 before independence.
1990-1998 is 18 years the the West supported Serbia/Yugoslavia and a further 10 before support for independence.
Following the same timeline with Catalonia, it would be independent in 2045, so the EU support for Spanish government IS the same as EU support for Yugoslavia/Serbia at the start of the conflict.

Kosovo/Catalonia and the EU postion are no different if you are looking at early years
Kosovo/Catalonia and the EU postion are completely different if you are looking at later years

what worse things did the Serb gov do to Albanians and when?
(Zoran, 5 October 2017 10:52)

According to the UN, there was a broad campaign of violence directed against the Kosovo Albanian civilian population by forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, during which there were incidents of killing, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques. It was the deliberate actions of these forces that caused the departure of at least 700,000 Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo in the short period of time between the end of March and beginning of June 1999. Efforts by the MUP to conceal the killing of Kosovo Albanians, by transporting the bodies to other areas of Serbia, also suggest that such killings were criminal in nature.
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Serbs were very very very restrained
(Zoran, 5 October 2017 10:52)

It depends what you mean by "Serbs". If you are referring to some Serbs who were members of the forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, it does not appear they were that restrained according to the UN description above of what they did in Kosovo!

Between 1999 and 2008, during a time of relative peace, K-Albanians launched their pogrom. Taken from -> [link]

"...during the unrest, civilians were killed, thousands of Serbs were forced to leave their homes, 935 Serb houses, 10 public facilities (schools, health care centers and post offices) and 35 Serbian Orthodox church buildings were desecrated, damaged or destroyed, and six towns and nine villages were ethnically cleansed."
(Zoran, 4 October 2017 22:22)

Yes, and whoever did the above acts was a criminal which is why, as described in the same link that you provided:

"Kosovo Police established a special investigation team to handle cases related to the 2004 unrest and according to Kosovo Judicial Council by the end of 2006 the 326 charges filed by municipal and district prosecutors for criminal offenses in connection with the unrest had resulted in 200 indictments: convictions in 134 cases, and courts acquitted eight and dismissed 28; 30 cases were pending. International prosecutors and judges handled the most sensitive cases. By March 2010, 143 Kosovars of Albanian ethnicity were convicted, of which 67 received prison terms of over a year."

If Serbia's government, police and courts had acted the same way in 1999, Kosovo would still be part of Serbia today.

@ Bana al-Catalonia

I find it hard to believe the Catalans are oppressed when your region is Spain's economic centre and fincial power house.

Further, I would have thought twice before taking a minor to the supermarket during a non sanction ed protest.

What kind of supervising skills is that?

And then cover it up by hiding behind US protection, killing any and all witnesses willing to testify in international courts, while running war criminals indicted for such crimes as national heroes for local government.

You're talking about Albanians, right?
(the actual truth, 4 October 2017 19:20)

Of course he`s talking about Albanians. Milosevic was Albanian, right?

international community failed to tell the Albanians that statehood was out of the question.
(the actual truth, 4 October 2017 19:34)

Exactly, UNSCR 1244 (which speaks for the international community) never said that Kosovo's statehood was out of the question. To the contrary, according to Serbia, UNSCR 1244 requests in all practical terms that Serbia renounce a part of its sovereign territory. Which is why Kosovo declared independence in accordance with UNSCR 1244.

"Kosovo and Catalonia are no different, says expert"

I will still sympathize with Kosovo* more. The squatters remind me when I didn't have a life, and when I seldom washed and brushed.