Croatia given protest note over "neo-fascist rally"

A pro-Nazi Ustasha rally in Croatia? So what else is new?

Before the comment section is overrun with posts from predictable idiots praising the Ustasha that the moderators should have censored but didn't, a few things need to be put into perspective.

First, and probably most important, this gaggle of senile Nazi wannabe leftovers from the 1990s was outnumbered two to one by the police, and further surrounded by passerbys more stunned with laughter than supportive. Far from being a big rally, this was a pathetic display of angry old pensioners bused in by their ringleader Zlatan Hasanbegovic, a punchable alt-righter who routinely downplays his Muslim heritage by trying to prove he's a bigger Croat than Tudjman, and is dismissed by many as a schlock historian and a political embarrassment. Think Seselj minus the PhD.

Second, the plaque with fascist symbols and slogans in Jasenovac was already condemned by the European Parliament and Plenkovic has been ordered to remove it. He's only delaying because the HDZ has no other political allies except the far right, so removing this homage to the NDH makes Plenkovic fresh out of friends. Again, this is less of a display of the growing threat of fascism in Croatia (which definitely exists) as it is testament to the embedded corruption in the domovina.

Best solution would be for someone to spraypaint CCCC on the plaque. I guarantee you in 5 minutes these same idiots will be bused in with sledge hammers and votive candles to Stepinac to reduce it to rubble. Win-win for everyone.

Croatia has got to stop this fascist shit. It's getting ridiculous and it's doing no one any good.

From icj1 (Ina) the Serb-Hater: "As for the "protest note", Serbia should first charge and punish by law those who do similar things in Serbia, before sending notes of protest to other countries about why they don't do what Serbia itself has not done in similar situations!"

icj1, in true revisionist form, has again tried to equate Serb wrong doing with that of the Croats. She did this in the past by trying to equate Milan Nedic with Anten Pavelic and also by trying to equate the Chetniks of Draza Mihailovich with the Croatian Nazi Ustasha. Yet another shameful attempt by icj1, aka Ina, to whitewash Croat crimes.

Instead, why doesn't she call for the Croatian gov't. to condemn this protest? She would rather turn this incident into a referrendum on the shortcomings of Serb society. Appalling! Yet we've come to expect this from Ina.

America and Germany made croatia 75 years ago

As long as they are not committing acts of violence everyone has a right to protest and express their views. In Eastern Europe we know far too well what happens when governments start censoring the populace it leads to violence and mass political unrest.

B92 once again has no clue... It can't be a neo nazi rally when the hatred is towards Serbs and Serbs only... if anything the men protesting should be given a medal for making sure that the Serbian cancer never ever spreads into the Croatian heartland ever again. Beograd is your home -Stay there.

In memory of the innocent victims of Jasenovac, Stara Gradiska, Jadovno, and Mehinu Stanju, to name a few.

"The Serbian Ministry of Foreign Affairs expects that perpetrators of these criminal offenses are charged and punished by law."

Protesting against something is not a crime (as long as the protest is non violent). Obviously those protesting in these case are some despicable human beings, but still that is not a crime.

As for the "protest note", Serbia should first charge and punish by law those who do similar things in Serbia, before sending notes of protest to other countries about why they don't do what Serbia itself has not done in similar situations!

Best solution would be for someone to spraypaint CCCC on the plaque. I guarantee you in 5 minutes these same idiots will be bused in with sledge hammers and votive candles to Stepinac to reduce it to rubble. Win-win for everyone.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 September 2017 16:39)
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I like the way you think.

A pro-Nazi Ustasha rally in Croatia? So what else is new?
(njegos, 4 September 2017 16:12)

Hopefully B92 answers your question since it was B92 which decided to make this a news story lol

ned taylor

The USA were formed in 1860-70 only and their history is even more false than the European one. Because in the end of 19 century there were too many books, nespapers and educated people to write the BS we have here. They even had no chance to rename the multiple Russian toponymalls for Anglo Saxons and to rewrite the history of the Confederates (Con Feodor Arte) ... When it's not so late in Moscow I can tell you a lot of interesting facts about those wars. Say they had two famous Thecumse in their fairy history. Both from Ohio but one was Lord of the Indians and the other - a white skin 3 star general ... Both spoke Russian but one was GONE WITH THE WIND ...

The issue here is one of freedom of assembly and free speech, not the removal or otherwise of a plaque, in the same way that the Charlottesville protests were about the behaviour of the protestors not the removal of Robert E Lee's statue. If the exercise of these rights infringes the law, by actively inciting violence against a particular group, then it should be dealt with appropriately. Acting in a boorish manner and holding views that are repugnant and have been marginalised by ordinary people are not in themselves offences. A large number of people in Balkan countries object to Pride marches, some of them vehemently, but the principle of free speech applies just the same. Until criminal acts are involved, or unless civil unrest is anticipated to a degree that it cannot be controlled, the authorities have little choice but to allow these types of protest to blow themselves out (pardon the pun).

@icj1
you said:
"Protesting against something is not a crime (as long as the protest is non violent). Obviously those protesting in these case are some despicable human beings, but still that is not a crime. "

however:

The Croatian Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but Croatian penal code prohibits and punishes anyone "who based on differences of race, religion, language, political or any other belief, wealth, birth, education, social status or other properties, gender, skin color, nationality or ethnicity violates basic human rights and freedoms recognized from international community"

one could argue that some of the rhetoric was hate based and alas falls under the above conditions.

Rote Kapelle: Aside from your assertion about the USA, which is about 100 years out, I didn't understand any of the rest of your comment,in general terms, as a reply to my comment or as a comment on the article itself.

The Croatian Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but Croatian penal code prohibits and punishes anyone "who based on differences of race, religion, language, political or any other belief, wealth, birth, education, social status or other properties, gender, skin color, nationality or ethnicity violates basic human rights and freedoms recognized from international community"

one could argue that some of the rhetoric was hate based and alas falls under the above conditions.
(iron knee, 6 September 2017 17:58)

But you did not quote any rhetoric and conditions that is falls under :) Probably you pasted the wrong quote from the Croatian Constitution. You might want to give it another try...

"The Serbian Ministry of Foreign Affairs expects that perpetrators of these criminal offenses are charged and punished by law."

Protesting against something is not a crime (as long as the protest is non violent). Obviously those protesting in these case are some despicable human beings, but still that is not a crime.

As for the "protest note", Serbia should first charge and punish by law those who do similar things in Serbia, before sending notes of protest to other countries about why they don't do what Serbia itself has not done in similar situations!

B92 once again has no clue... It can't be a neo nazi rally when the hatred is towards Serbs and Serbs only... if anything the men protesting should be given a medal for making sure that the Serbian cancer never ever spreads into the Croatian heartland ever again. Beograd is your home -Stay there.

A pro-Nazi Ustasha rally in Croatia? So what else is new?
(njegos, 4 September 2017 16:12)

Hopefully B92 answers your question since it was B92 which decided to make this a news story lol

Before the comment section is overrun with posts from predictable idiots praising the Ustasha that the moderators should have censored but didn't, a few things need to be put into perspective.

First, and probably most important, this gaggle of senile Nazi wannabe leftovers from the 1990s was outnumbered two to one by the police, and further surrounded by passerbys more stunned with laughter than supportive. Far from being a big rally, this was a pathetic display of angry old pensioners bused in by their ringleader Zlatan Hasanbegovic, a punchable alt-righter who routinely downplays his Muslim heritage by trying to prove he's a bigger Croat than Tudjman, and is dismissed by many as a schlock historian and a political embarrassment. Think Seselj minus the PhD.

Second, the plaque with fascist symbols and slogans in Jasenovac was already condemned by the European Parliament and Plenkovic has been ordered to remove it. He's only delaying because the HDZ has no other political allies except the far right, so removing this homage to the NDH makes Plenkovic fresh out of friends. Again, this is less of a display of the growing threat of fascism in Croatia (which definitely exists) as it is testament to the embedded corruption in the domovina.

Best solution would be for someone to spraypaint CCCC on the plaque. I guarantee you in 5 minutes these same idiots will be bused in with sledge hammers and votive candles to Stepinac to reduce it to rubble. Win-win for everyone.

As long as they are not committing acts of violence everyone has a right to protest and express their views. In Eastern Europe we know far too well what happens when governments start censoring the populace it leads to violence and mass political unrest.

A pro-Nazi Ustasha rally in Croatia? So what else is new?

Best solution would be for someone to spraypaint CCCC on the plaque. I guarantee you in 5 minutes these same idiots will be bused in with sledge hammers and votive candles to Stepinac to reduce it to rubble. Win-win for everyone.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 September 2017 16:39)
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I like the way you think.

America and Germany made croatia 75 years ago

The issue here is one of freedom of assembly and free speech, not the removal or otherwise of a plaque, in the same way that the Charlottesville protests were about the behaviour of the protestors not the removal of Robert E Lee's statue. If the exercise of these rights infringes the law, by actively inciting violence against a particular group, then it should be dealt with appropriately. Acting in a boorish manner and holding views that are repugnant and have been marginalised by ordinary people are not in themselves offences. A large number of people in Balkan countries object to Pride marches, some of them vehemently, but the principle of free speech applies just the same. Until criminal acts are involved, or unless civil unrest is anticipated to a degree that it cannot be controlled, the authorities have little choice but to allow these types of protest to blow themselves out (pardon the pun).

Croatia has got to stop this fascist shit. It's getting ridiculous and it's doing no one any good.

From icj1 (Ina) the Serb-Hater: "As for the "protest note", Serbia should first charge and punish by law those who do similar things in Serbia, before sending notes of protest to other countries about why they don't do what Serbia itself has not done in similar situations!"

icj1, in true revisionist form, has again tried to equate Serb wrong doing with that of the Croats. She did this in the past by trying to equate Milan Nedic with Anten Pavelic and also by trying to equate the Chetniks of Draza Mihailovich with the Croatian Nazi Ustasha. Yet another shameful attempt by icj1, aka Ina, to whitewash Croat crimes.

Instead, why doesn't she call for the Croatian gov't. to condemn this protest? She would rather turn this incident into a referrendum on the shortcomings of Serb society. Appalling! Yet we've come to expect this from Ina.

ned taylor

The USA were formed in 1860-70 only and their history is even more false than the European one. Because in the end of 19 century there were too many books, nespapers and educated people to write the BS we have here. They even had no chance to rename the multiple Russian toponymalls for Anglo Saxons and to rewrite the history of the Confederates (Con Feodor Arte) ... When it's not so late in Moscow I can tell you a lot of interesting facts about those wars. Say they had two famous Thecumse in their fairy history. Both from Ohio but one was Lord of the Indians and the other - a white skin 3 star general ... Both spoke Russian but one was GONE WITH THE WIND ...

In memory of the innocent victims of Jasenovac, Stara Gradiska, Jadovno, and Mehinu Stanju, to name a few.

The Croatian Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but Croatian penal code prohibits and punishes anyone "who based on differences of race, religion, language, political or any other belief, wealth, birth, education, social status or other properties, gender, skin color, nationality or ethnicity violates basic human rights and freedoms recognized from international community"

one could argue that some of the rhetoric was hate based and alas falls under the above conditions.
(iron knee, 6 September 2017 17:58)

But you did not quote any rhetoric and conditions that is falls under :) Probably you pasted the wrong quote from the Croatian Constitution. You might want to give it another try...

Rote Kapelle: Aside from your assertion about the USA, which is about 100 years out, I didn't understand any of the rest of your comment,in general terms, as a reply to my comment or as a comment on the article itself.

@icj1
you said:
"Protesting against something is not a crime (as long as the protest is non violent). Obviously those protesting in these case are some despicable human beings, but still that is not a crime. "

however:

The Croatian Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, but Croatian penal code prohibits and punishes anyone "who based on differences of race, religion, language, political or any other belief, wealth, birth, education, social status or other properties, gender, skin color, nationality or ethnicity violates basic human rights and freedoms recognized from international community"

one could argue that some of the rhetoric was hate based and alas falls under the above conditions.