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Friday, 01.09.2017.

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"Greater Serbia aggression" is a great lie - Dacic

Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic says the story about "the Greater Serbia aggression" on Croatia is - a great lie.

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icj1

pre 6 godina

Madeline Albright's family were protected in Serbia then as well. She was a child then. She conveniently forgot all that. Some Yanks are not grateful at all.
(Peggy, 6 September 2017 01:58)

Just because Serbs protected Madeline Albright's family, that is not a license for some Serbs to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity at the end of the 20th century!

Live_with_it

pre 6 godina

My God Dwight, you are so clueless. Tito didn't crush Croatian nationalism. It was alive and well back then and still is today. The Ustashas were active all around the world, in Australia, the US and elsewhere and strongly supported the conflict in Croatia.

Also, Milosevic was no nationalist. You are brainwashed by the fake news of the time but that's understandable - many are from those days but good things is the younger generation have much more alternative sources.

Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 1 September 2017 16:12)

I can't believe you're posting a link to an article by Neil Clark, a man that deserves a monument to the greater serbian cause in belgrade.
Try other methods to prove your lies because Clark is simply a serb paid clown.

https://www.rferl.org/a/milosevic-war-crime-deniers-feed-receptive-audience/27910664.html

Peggy

pre 6 godina

If he was such a hero why haven't I ever heard Obama, Trump or even when Biden visited Serbia ever mention his name. You mass murder thousands of people and are convicted of war crimes, just cause you save a couple of Yanks doesn't excuse your crimes. He will always be remembered as a war criminal.
(Jesi Budala, 4 September 2017 23:33)
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Do you expect every POTUS since WWII to keep mentioning it? They don't mention their own heroes from WWII.
You want proof? Hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPCKLo8PLek

BTW it was a lot more than a couple. Madeline Albright's family were protected in Serbia then as well. She was a child then. She conveniently forgot all that. Some Yanks are not grateful at all.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

"We defeatet the nazis" No you did not
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YES we did. Serbia was part of the allies and the allies won. Not one country on their own won.

"We celebrate Anzac day" Irrelevant celebration
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Tell that to the Aussies and Kiwis. You want your butt kicked?

"You wish the Nazis would have won " Depends. If they would have won then there would be no serb left alive on this earth. That would be an excellent start!

(Golden Eagle, 4 September 2017 15:53
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Now you are telling the truth. Your black heart is filled with hate.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - You say Mihajlovic received some sort of an award by the Yanks after WW2.

If he was such a hero why haven't I ever heard Obama, Trump or even when Biden visited Serbia ever mention his name. You mass murder thousands of people and are convicted of war crimes, just cause you save a couple of Yanks doesn't excuse your crimes. He will always be remembered as a war criminal.

Dirty Harry

pre 6 godina

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head
(adrian_bucharest, 2 September 2017 13:03)

Speaking of head washing, I'm way overdo. Where are the Albanian and Croat head washing maisters that frequent this site when I need them to make my day?

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Serbs are to be commended for this for sure, but there was also a significant minority who collaborated with the Nazis. This collaboration is not extraordinary , there were such people in every country.
There is still a vocal minority in Serbia that pushes similar policies and ideas as Nazi-collaborators, but when challenged, they try to excuse themselves by giving an example of how the Partisans fought the Nazis

Who would you have sided with in WW2? Would you have volunteered for the Orthodox Serb Chetniks who wanted to kill/expel non-Serbs from what they considered Serbian lands. Or, would you have picked the Communist Partisans whose also had Croats, Orthodox, Atheist, Jews, Catholic and Muslims.

I think I know who you would have supported.

As a continuation, which of the following people/groups would collaborate with Nazis in return for Greater Serbia?
Dacic, Nikolic, Vucic, Obraz, Boško Obradović, Milorad Dodik, Seselj, SRS, DSS, Dveri, Zavetnici, Serbian Action, Ratko Mladić, SNP Nasi

( and Yes is worse in Croatia, but I don't live there)

icj1

pre 6 godina

what a few Serbs (Nedic) did under NAZI occupation and pressure is quite different to the Serbian cause.
(Zoran, 4 September 2017 14:15)

Absolutely, it's great that you finally realised that Nadic was a puppet (similarly to Pavelic or the puppet governments Italy and Germany created in Albania) and Nadic, Pavelic and the Albanian pupper governments did not represent the wishes of the Serb, Croat or Albanian people. That is why both Albania and Yugoslavia were considered as being on victors' side after WW2.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Serbs are to be commended for this for sure, but there was also a significant minority who collaborated with the Nazis. This collaboration is not extraordinary , there were such people in every country.
There is still a vocal minority in Serbia that pushes similar policies and ideas as Nazi-collaborators, but when challenged, they try to excuse themselves by giving an example of how the Partisans fought the Nazis

Who would you have sided with in WW2? Would you have volunteered for the Orthodox Serb Chetniks who wanted to create a pure Greater Serbia. Or, would you have picked the Communist Partisans whose also had Croats, Orthodox, Atheist, Jews, Catholic and Muslims members

As a continuation, which of the following people/groups do you think would collaborate with Nazis in return for Greater Serbia?
Dacic, Nikolic, Vucic, Obraz, Boško Obradović, Milorad Dodik, Seselj, SRS, DSS, Dveri, Zavetnici, Serbian Action, Ratko Mladić, SNP Nasi

( and Yes is worse in Croatia, but I don't live there)

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

Nobody wanted to leave Jugosllavia, americans needed to destroy it and they were successful. The only thing they didnt foresee is that albanians and croatians would continue to have a great nostalgia for that "artificial creature". The artificial creature was built on and wih the blood and sacrifices of serbs, albanians, croats, slovenes, macedonians, hungarians, montenegrins. Was so real that we all envied kosovars back then. It was destroyed and will not be built again though, so everybody let just care for its own country.

Golden Eagle

pre 6 godina

Zoran

"We defeatet the nazis" No you did not

"We celebrate Anzac day" Irrelevant celebration

"You wish the Nazis would have won " Depends. If they would have won then there would be no serb left alive on this earth. That would be an excellent start!

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Budala, what a few Serbs (Nedic) did under NAZI occupation and pressure is quite different to the Serbian cause. We defeated the NAZIs and every year we march in Serbia and other parts of the world, such as ANZAC day in Australia to commemorate those that sacrificed their lives for our freedom.

This is not the case for you Albanians, Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and so on. You wish the NAZIs won.

Oh, and Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US for helping save US pilots. He is a hero in their eyes.

Free

pre 6 godina

Radical Serbs not only have no sense of reality but they have a so high level of stupidity that they contradict themselves.

Radical Serbs accuse Croats as Nazis and for ethnical cleansing against Serbs. Accuse Bosnians and Albanians as Muslim terrorists and Serbs-haters. Accuse Macedonians and Montenegrins as traitors. And then they claim that Yugoslavia was a "natural" state.

Yugoslavia was so artificial and "brotherhood and unity" was so hypocritical that in the end every nation preferred the war better than living in the same state.

And it`s true, everyone wanted to leave Yugoslavia but it was SERBIA who started all the FOUR wars. It was Serbia who controlled the only army in the region. And it was Serbia who first use it against civilian population.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Is this the same Serbia that proclaimed Beograd to be the first 'Juden Frei' city in Europe in 1941. The only people you Serbs are fooling are yourselves. Let's not forget that Nedic & Mihajlovic were both convicted and executed 🔫of war crimes by the same YU you say you loved and wanted to keep. You Serbs don't know what you want !

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Skanderbeu , i reply where i want !

Rote Kapele , at what is so important the second world war if all wars and decisions are political ?

For other people who fight here => In 1990s Serbs not were angels but they not were demons to . As i`ve always said in Balkans we are in the same problems. I personaly don`t consider in 1990s Serbia to be the bad one or the good one and same the others .

If Croatia was the most big country from Yugoslavia maybe in war they would killed Serbs , Serbia was the most big and the most strong => you can`t judge but one thing is for sure none of the countries was thhe good or the bad one => It all was a bullshit that lead to nothing good for ordinary people in special for the ones from Serbia , Bosnia

Zoran

pre 6 godina

More BS coming from Dwight, just repeating 1990s propaganda and demonstrating his ignorance. The world has moved on.

We got what we wanted in Bosnia Dwight, it's called Republika Srpska and it's not greater Serbia. In Croatia, we were ethnically cleansed and no convictions? Just goes to show how biased the NATO court is. Even Carla Del Ponte admitted she was prevented from investigating the other side.

Serbs are freedom loving people and we will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. We bow to no empire and that is the reason so many Serbs ended up in the NATO court. We were the first to raise against the NAZIs and the first to raise against NATO and we will keep fighting.

Yes, the west is now reaping its rewards. Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croatian-mp-blames-alija-izetbegovic-for-islamic-terrorism--08-30-2017

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran
Milosevic may not have been president of the full Yugoslavia, but he controlled half of the Presidency, giving him enormous power.
Milosevic wanted all power centralised under him. Would Croatia have remained in Yugoslavia if republics were granted more power instead of less? Maybe not, but again, the issue that the ICTY etc have with Serbian (and other) politics is not becasue Yugoslavia broke up or that Serbia thinks Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. The issue is mass murder of civilians, collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.

Ending the autonomy of Kosovo and Vojvodina is Greater Serbia.
Yugoslavia splitting but all Serbs in one state remaining is Greater Serbia.
The SRS openly called for a Geater Serbia and worked in partnership with the SPS of Milosevic and Dacic.

Guest

pre 6 godina

How about a greater Balkans where everyone actually returns and fixes the region up instead of running away to the west the moment we get an opportunity.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Yugoslavia was an artificial state. Both times Yugoslavia was created by foreign politicians not by the will of its people. The only way Yugoslavia could live was by oppression and more oppression.
(Free, 3 September 2017 20:38)
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I like the way you spin things. In fact, what you describe sounds more like the EU, being the Fourth Reich. As it becomes more and more oppressive, it is falling apart. First the PIIGS then Brexit, the refugees and terrorism. Looks like it will end up like Eugoslavia - who wants to be in a union dominated by Germany? Lets ask the Greeks first.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

So many lies here, so many lies from this guy Eisenhower Dwight and this other buddy of mine called "free to have the mosquito's brain! Jugosllavia was so real and IS so real that you, all of you albanians serbs croatians, are still stuck in what is left of Jugosllavia and you all know what that is! @ Eisenhower Dwight Can you elaborate a little bit on what was the titoist "self-administration" in theory and practice also? So you can show off some knowledge in economics? What was your family background during Tito's regime? Was your father a taxi driver back then? Open your heart to the public Dwight!!

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Free : Greater Serbia ended up like The Third Reich and Soviet Union.

IDIOT OF THE YEAR ! YUGOSLAVIA WAS SMALL USSR BUT WHAT DID IT HAVE IN COMMON WITH THE REICH ?


Skenderbeu

HI FRIEND ! THE ONLY REASON WHY THE CEAUSESCU WERE TRETED SO CRUEL WAS THAT NICOLAE HAD PAID OUT ALL THE DEBTS OF THE STATE AND DECLARED THAT WON'T TAKE NO MORE LOANS. SO THE WALL STREET GAVE HIM SUCH DEATH PENALY ...


adrian_bucharest

SURE KIM ISA BIT INSANE BUT ONLY A BIT ... HE IS WINNING THIS WAR OF THE NERVES IF YOU ARE ABLE TO JUDGE BY YOURSELF.

Free

pre 6 godina

Yugoslavia was an artificial state. Both times Yugoslavia was created by foreign politicians not by the will of its people. The only way Yugoslavia could live was by oppression and more oppression.

And when no one could bear that oppression any longer Serbia found out the "final solution": Terror, ethnical cleansing and genocide. Serbia learned from the best: Uncle Adolf and Uncle Joe. And Greater Serbia ended up like The Third Reich and Soviet Union.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

You can twist my words as much as you want. Who says that the breakup of Yugoslavia was only Serbs fault because it was not me and I dont think many other people think so either?
(Dwight, 3 September 2017 17:42)
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You are implying it, read what you wrote again, here is some of it.

"Then along came Milosevic and decided that instead of keeping nationalism under control, he would play to the worst elements of Serbian nationalism and let it loose on Yugoslavia for his own benefit.
If Milosevic had executed the Serbian nationalists instead of giving them power, maybe none of the wars would have happened."

You are solely blaming Milosevic and Serbian nationalism but make no mention of Tudjman and Croatian nationalism. Now you are saying it wasn't only Serbia's fault? LOL! Of course it wasn't, everyone played their role including the west but you are a bit late. You don't come across as someone impartial, put it that way.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

SERBS AND MONTENEGRINS JUST STAYED LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BEHAVED APPROPRIATELY !
(rote kapelle, 3 September 2017 00:08)
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Rote, no need to respond to Azir, he is just spreading BS like always. It was the Yugoslav army, consisting of Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bosnians that were attempting to protect the constitution. Yugoslavia was lead by Croatians at the time, not Serbs. In Slovenia, the army withdrew and left their weapons. Serbs had no interest there. Azir has a warped sense of reality, brainwashed by fake news.

icj1

pre 6 godina

They had been planning an independent Croatia since the end of WWII
(Zoran, 2 September 2017 20:34)

Ok, and than what?!
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and when the opportunity came, they were there
(Zoran, 2 September 2017 20:34)

Yes, and not just Croatia... when the opportunity came, almost all the other constitutive units of SFRY (Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia) also decided that they did not want to be in the same country with Serbia.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

"I've raised you as if I were your mother!" last words of Elena Ceausescu to one of her executors...your nation will never wash away the stain of that murder derdimen Rumanie..and reply to me under the same thread where I choose to entertain my d. with you, without jumping from a thread to another like a tiny romanian b. who sings in spanish to her turkish mustached corazon from Stamboll..

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran
You can twist my words as much as you want. Who says that the breakup of Yugoslavia was only Serbs fault because it was not me and I dont think many other people think so either?. Serbian politicians are not in the Hague for breaking up Yugoslavia, they are there for pushing a policy of ethnic cleansing, mass murder of civilians and collective punishment.

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

for rote kapelle

I not said is someting wrong with the North Koreans

They do propaganda

They come even in Romanian websites

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Serbs attacked Slovenia 🇸🇮

Serbs attacked Croatia 🇭🇷

Serbs attacked Bosnia 🇧🇦

Serbs attacked Kosova 🇽🇰

Greater Serbia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the Balkans and all of Europe .

Croatia knows what to DO!
(Azir, 1 September 2017 20:33)

SERBS AND MONTENEGRINS JUST STAYED LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BEHAVED APPROPRIATELY !

X- man

pre 6 godina

(rote kapelle, 2 September

Kapella. Turks won all the wars for 500 years and what they were for Balkan people and for Europe.

Is not how many battles battles you win but is also how many crimes you do!
Israel doesn't forgive Germans for Holocaust
Europe doesn't forgive Turks for what they did.
And Croats, Bosnians and Albanians will never forgive Serbs for the Genocide.

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Rote and Dragoliub are NORTH KOREANS who are doing propaganda pro Russia and pro comunism .

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head
(adrian_bucharest

WHAT'S WRONG WITH N.KOREANS ?
DID THEY EVER ATTACKED SOMEONE LIKE ROMANIA DID IN 1941 ?
DID THEY HANG THEIR PRESIDENT WHO HAS PAYED OUT ALL THE DEBTS OF ROMANIA?
DO THEY SUCK LIKE THE ROMANIANS DO?
OR DO THEIR CITIES AND VILLAGES LOOK WORSE THAN YOURS?

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Serbian government was charged with operating a criminal enterprise....
(Azir, 1 September 2017 23:38)

SERBS ARE THE MOST GLORIOUS NATION IN THE REGION AND THEY HAVE ALMOST NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF. ALL THE REST SUCK AND LICK FOR CENTURIES - ASK YOUR FATHER FOR THE DETAILS.

SERBS AND RUSSIANS DESTROYED NAZI AND THE FASCISTS WHILE CONTINENTAL EUROPE TOTALLY SUCKED. THAT'S WHY THE DESCENDANTS OF THE NAZI HATE US SO MUCH.

ANGLO-SAXONS TOO DIDN'T FIGHT THE NAZI. FOR 3 YEARS THEY LED THEIR COLONIAL WARS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WW2. ASK YOUR WAFFEN SS FATHER.

US AND SERBS ONLY HAVE MORAL RIGHT TO DISCUSS HISTORY !

Zoran

pre 6 godina

LOL! Dwight, me a troll? I've been commenting here for well over 10 years. I've heard it all and can only keep slapping people like you with the truth. You are right though, "crush" was the wrong word as Croatian nationalism was thriving out of Yugoslavia. They had been planning an independent Croatia since the end of WWII and when the opportunity came, they were there with their former axis partner, a newly united Germany. But it's all the Serbs fault, yep, keep believing the fake news. There was plenty in those days but seems you can't even get the basic facts right. What "Yugoslavia under Milosevic"? Croatians were head of SFR Yugoslavia at the time war broke out and the only Yugoslavia Milosevic lead was FRY, consisting of Serbia and Montenegro. And you criticise Neil Clark because it doesn't fit your narrative? You need to get your facts right, not him!

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Rote and Dragoliub are NORTH KOREANS who are doing propaganda pro Russia and pro comunism .

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head

Raisin Scone

pre 6 godina

Dacic is absolutely correct. This myth was used to rally support for the destruction of Serbia. The reality is that Croatia and Slovenia, as well as Bosniaks just didn't want to be part of Yugoslavia any longer. Tito was what held Yugoslavia together, and when he died so did Yugoslavia. Serbs were in these different locations all along, and due to what happened to them during WWII, they did not want to live under potentially hostile regimes after the breakup, so they rebelled, just like the Albanians of Kosovo did. Yet, hiring expensive public relations firms got them the upper hand in the war for public opinion. Having the unethical Clintons to do their bidding didn't hurt either. Who knows what the future will hold, but whatever it is, these events will play a big part in its writing.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

The Serbs lost the war and now they will try anything and I mean anything to change history. The Serbs tried and failed miserably to create a GS but instead ended up with a shit load of filthy Krajina Serbs who ran like rats instead being big tough Chetniks and defending their homes. If anything the dream of GS has become so small that even Seselj cannot wander to far from Beograd without being spat on. 🐀

Kosovar

pre 6 godina

Its not a lie, its a FACT,

1885 - Aggression on Bulgaria
1991 - Aggression on Slovenia
1991 - 1995 Aggression in Croatia
1992 - 1995 Aggression in Bosnia
1998 -1999 Agression in Kosovo

If this is not aggression then by all means your brain needs to be formatted.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Dacic was Milosevic's mouthpiece during 1990's Greater Serbia Campaign of Terror....

Lieing was Serb Priority POLICY.

They the Serb escaped with all that aggression due to lie after lie..

Then it caught up to them....

NATO was forced to act!

Serbian government was charged with operating a criminal enterprise....

Rango

pre 6 godina

If they are denying like this what everyone saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears, then one can imagine what they have whitewashed and hidden from their WW2 period that doesn't suit their purpose.

Avni

pre 6 godina

What were Serbs from Serbia doing in Croatia and Bosnia? I don't remember Croats and Bosnians fighting in Serbia. You even expelled Croats from Vojvodina when we know there was no war.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Serbs attacked Slovenia 🇸🇮

Serbs attacked Croatia 🇭🇷

Serbs attacked Bosnia 🇧🇦

Serbs attacked Kosova 🇽🇰

Greater Serbia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the Balkans and all of Europe .

Croatia knows what to DO!

LOL

pre 6 godina

Little Ivica the communist who worships at Tito's mausoleum in wicked Belgrade also at Milosevic the greater Serb wicked communist graveyard.
(Lenard, 1 September 2017 17:45)

The only thing I'd like doing more than worshiping at Tito's grave is pissing on Tudjman's. Tito was the only decent Croat of the 20th century :)

MikeD

pre 6 godina

The EU and USA are the international community who didn't close their eyes to this but rather encouraged. Stop with entry talks into the EU, it's simply embarrassing at this point. Nobody in the Balkans will enter the EU ever anyways. Concessions and accords are a joke. Instead, give migrants maps of how to get into Croatia. Let's see how the EU handles it this time.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

Zoran, I never know whether you are some sort of troll or not.

Perhaps "crush" is the wrong choice of word, maybe better to say that Tito kept nationalism at a low enough level to prevent it from harming the government.
In Yugoslavia under Tito, the state was more important than the various ethnicities.
In Yugoslavia under Milosevic, this was no longer the case, government would back Serbs no matter who was right or wrong.
The only times Milosevic used the Yugoslavian army and police against Serbs was when they were protesting against him.
Croatian nationaists were attacked, Serbian nationalists were backed.

I never said Milosevic was a nationalist. His embrace of nationalism was probably just a way to get himself more power.

How can you call someone clueless when Neil Clark is on your recommended reading list?
Writers like him have a lot to answer for. I don't know whether he deliberately ignores counter-evidence or is just too stupid to fact check his own writing.
His articles are more worthy of Sputnik and RT whose readers are one rung on the intelligence ladder above Informer readers but still not yet capable of independent and critical thinking.
You know, people like you ;)

The perfect bland feel-good piece that never digs too deep.

You need to up your standards.

Navi

pre 6 godina

The larger part of these people were Croats
(Dwight, 1 September 2017 15:29)

Correction: they were Ustasha and Ustasha sympathizers. They deserved every bullet given to them by UdBA on orders from Tito. Funny how no other ethnic group, including Serbs, was targeted.

Lenard

pre 6 godina

Little Ivica the communist who worships at Tito's mausoleum in wicked Belgrade also at Milosevic the greater Serb wicked communist graveyard. Little Ivica, Melosevic Greater wicked Serbia misinformation propaganda minister still at it spouting as usual total wicked nonsense of lies. One of many Serbs responsible for the deaths of 10's of thousands of deaths and millions ethnic cleansed from their homes. All in the name of Greater wicked evil Serbia that will lives in infamy.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

My God Dwight, you are so clueless. Tito didn't crush Croatian nationalism. It was alive and well back then and still is today. The Ustashas were active all around the world, in Australia, the US and elsewhere and strongly supported the conflict in Croatia.

Also, Milosevic was no nationalist. You are brainwashed by the fake news of the time but that's understandable - many are from those days but good things is the younger generation have much more alternative sources.

Check -> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/21/tenquestionsonslobodanmilo

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

Of course it's a great lie. Croats never wanted Yugoslavia. They never wanted to work with people who are similar and speak the same language as them because they preferred to be a puppet to foreign entities instead. Notable exceptions, of course. ORUNJ and the Croat Partizans come to mind. But for the most part, Croats only chose Yugoslavia after their sponsors (Austro-Hungary and later Nazi Germany) lost and fell apart.

The Serbian people's most catastrophic mistake was to sacrifice all that it did to enter a union with people who hate them. It almost led to Serbia's complete erosion and extinction. Never again.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The problem Serbs have with the 90s is that the West ruled supreme and we were on the other side. That is when their fake news was believed by so many.

Now it's different, especially with the younger ones and social media, which is why so many are opposed to the establishment. Things have changed and it is a good opportunity to get the whole truth out there.

Serbia is in a much stronger position now and time is definitely on our side. A good indication is - with the whole establishment behind Clinton, she still lost the election as did their Republican candidate.

Keep the battle going my fellow Serbs and the truth will come out.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

Tito kept all ethnic nationalism under control, the UDBA assasinated approximately 100 people outside of Yugo under his orders, and many more were killed or imprisoned inside the country.
The larger part of these people were Croats as Croatian nationalism was the biggest danger and Tito's own Croatian roots didn't stop him from crushing Croatian nationalism.
Then along came Milosevic and decided that instead of keeping nationalism under control, he would play to the worst elements of Serbian nationalism and let it loose on Yugoslavia for his own benefit.
If Milosevic had executed the Serbian nationalists instead of giving them power, maybe none of the wars would have happened.
"Greater Serbia aggression" is a truth. Dacic is in denial because if he admits the truth he must then face his own involvement in the thousands of needless deaths.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 6 godina

Let's first go back to the first half of the 1940's and understand what Croatian Nazi Ustase did to Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Dalmacija ! Well more than a million and possibly closer to two million Serbian people were horrifically murdered by Croatian Nazi Ustase in Dalmacija and Bosna i Herzegovina ! After World War Two Serbian people remained tight lipped regarding what Croatian Nazi Ustase did only to please their new Mortal God Josip Broz Tito ! So Tito was smart he knew exactly how to keep Croatia safe and stable for Hitler's phase two " Generalplan Ost " of the 1990's ! So Serbian people stayed so quiet regarding the attrocities Croatian Nazi Ustase did during the 1940's and that is why Srbija is in the situation it is today ! Serbian people choose Josip Broz Tito to put on the throne in Beograd and murder their Serbian Brothers and Sisters in the name of Tito Communism ! So the 1990's again with Hilly Billy Clinton the next opportunity for Serbian Hollocast ! The fact is nothing has ever changed, only gotten worse for Serbian people ! The fact is USA, England and Germany were never and will never favor the Serbian people !

Avni

pre 6 godina

What were Serbs from Serbia doing in Croatia and Bosnia? I don't remember Croats and Bosnians fighting in Serbia. You even expelled Croats from Vojvodina when we know there was no war.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

Tito kept all ethnic nationalism under control, the UDBA assasinated approximately 100 people outside of Yugo under his orders, and many more were killed or imprisoned inside the country.
The larger part of these people were Croats as Croatian nationalism was the biggest danger and Tito's own Croatian roots didn't stop him from crushing Croatian nationalism.
Then along came Milosevic and decided that instead of keeping nationalism under control, he would play to the worst elements of Serbian nationalism and let it loose on Yugoslavia for his own benefit.
If Milosevic had executed the Serbian nationalists instead of giving them power, maybe none of the wars would have happened.
"Greater Serbia aggression" is a truth. Dacic is in denial because if he admits the truth he must then face his own involvement in the thousands of needless deaths.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Serbs attacked Slovenia 🇸🇮

Serbs attacked Croatia 🇭🇷

Serbs attacked Bosnia 🇧🇦

Serbs attacked Kosova 🇽🇰

Greater Serbia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the Balkans and all of Europe .

Croatia knows what to DO!

Lenard

pre 6 godina

Little Ivica the communist who worships at Tito's mausoleum in wicked Belgrade also at Milosevic the greater Serb wicked communist graveyard. Little Ivica, Melosevic Greater wicked Serbia misinformation propaganda minister still at it spouting as usual total wicked nonsense of lies. One of many Serbs responsible for the deaths of 10's of thousands of deaths and millions ethnic cleansed from their homes. All in the name of Greater wicked evil Serbia that will lives in infamy.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

Of course it's a great lie. Croats never wanted Yugoslavia. They never wanted to work with people who are similar and speak the same language as them because they preferred to be a puppet to foreign entities instead. Notable exceptions, of course. ORUNJ and the Croat Partizans come to mind. But for the most part, Croats only chose Yugoslavia after their sponsors (Austro-Hungary and later Nazi Germany) lost and fell apart.

The Serbian people's most catastrophic mistake was to sacrifice all that it did to enter a union with people who hate them. It almost led to Serbia's complete erosion and extinction. Never again.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 6 godina

Let's first go back to the first half of the 1940's and understand what Croatian Nazi Ustase did to Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Dalmacija ! Well more than a million and possibly closer to two million Serbian people were horrifically murdered by Croatian Nazi Ustase in Dalmacija and Bosna i Herzegovina ! After World War Two Serbian people remained tight lipped regarding what Croatian Nazi Ustase did only to please their new Mortal God Josip Broz Tito ! So Tito was smart he knew exactly how to keep Croatia safe and stable for Hitler's phase two " Generalplan Ost " of the 1990's ! So Serbian people stayed so quiet regarding the attrocities Croatian Nazi Ustase did during the 1940's and that is why Srbija is in the situation it is today ! Serbian people choose Josip Broz Tito to put on the throne in Beograd and murder their Serbian Brothers and Sisters in the name of Tito Communism ! So the 1990's again with Hilly Billy Clinton the next opportunity for Serbian Hollocast ! The fact is nothing has ever changed, only gotten worse for Serbian people ! The fact is USA, England and Germany were never and will never favor the Serbian people !

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The problem Serbs have with the 90s is that the West ruled supreme and we were on the other side. That is when their fake news was believed by so many.

Now it's different, especially with the younger ones and social media, which is why so many are opposed to the establishment. Things have changed and it is a good opportunity to get the whole truth out there.

Serbia is in a much stronger position now and time is definitely on our side. A good indication is - with the whole establishment behind Clinton, she still lost the election as did their Republican candidate.

Keep the battle going my fellow Serbs and the truth will come out.

Rango

pre 6 godina

If they are denying like this what everyone saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears, then one can imagine what they have whitewashed and hidden from their WW2 period that doesn't suit their purpose.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Dacic was Milosevic's mouthpiece during 1990's Greater Serbia Campaign of Terror....

Lieing was Serb Priority POLICY.

They the Serb escaped with all that aggression due to lie after lie..

Then it caught up to them....

NATO was forced to act!

Serbian government was charged with operating a criminal enterprise....

Dwight

pre 6 godina

Zoran, I never know whether you are some sort of troll or not.

Perhaps "crush" is the wrong choice of word, maybe better to say that Tito kept nationalism at a low enough level to prevent it from harming the government.
In Yugoslavia under Tito, the state was more important than the various ethnicities.
In Yugoslavia under Milosevic, this was no longer the case, government would back Serbs no matter who was right or wrong.
The only times Milosevic used the Yugoslavian army and police against Serbs was when they were protesting against him.
Croatian nationaists were attacked, Serbian nationalists were backed.

I never said Milosevic was a nationalist. His embrace of nationalism was probably just a way to get himself more power.

How can you call someone clueless when Neil Clark is on your recommended reading list?
Writers like him have a lot to answer for. I don't know whether he deliberately ignores counter-evidence or is just too stupid to fact check his own writing.
His articles are more worthy of Sputnik and RT whose readers are one rung on the intelligence ladder above Informer readers but still not yet capable of independent and critical thinking.
You know, people like you ;)

The perfect bland feel-good piece that never digs too deep.

You need to up your standards.

Kosovar

pre 6 godina

Its not a lie, its a FACT,

1885 - Aggression on Bulgaria
1991 - Aggression on Slovenia
1991 - 1995 Aggression in Croatia
1992 - 1995 Aggression in Bosnia
1998 -1999 Agression in Kosovo

If this is not aggression then by all means your brain needs to be formatted.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

The Serbs lost the war and now they will try anything and I mean anything to change history. The Serbs tried and failed miserably to create a GS but instead ended up with a shit load of filthy Krajina Serbs who ran like rats instead being big tough Chetniks and defending their homes. If anything the dream of GS has become so small that even Seselj cannot wander to far from Beograd without being spat on. 🐀

Zoran

pre 6 godina

My God Dwight, you are so clueless. Tito didn't crush Croatian nationalism. It was alive and well back then and still is today. The Ustashas were active all around the world, in Australia, the US and elsewhere and strongly supported the conflict in Croatia.

Also, Milosevic was no nationalist. You are brainwashed by the fake news of the time but that's understandable - many are from those days but good things is the younger generation have much more alternative sources.

Check -> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/21/tenquestionsonslobodanmilo

MikeD

pre 6 godina

The EU and USA are the international community who didn't close their eyes to this but rather encouraged. Stop with entry talks into the EU, it's simply embarrassing at this point. Nobody in the Balkans will enter the EU ever anyways. Concessions and accords are a joke. Instead, give migrants maps of how to get into Croatia. Let's see how the EU handles it this time.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

LOL! Dwight, me a troll? I've been commenting here for well over 10 years. I've heard it all and can only keep slapping people like you with the truth. You are right though, "crush" was the wrong word as Croatian nationalism was thriving out of Yugoslavia. They had been planning an independent Croatia since the end of WWII and when the opportunity came, they were there with their former axis partner, a newly united Germany. But it's all the Serbs fault, yep, keep believing the fake news. There was plenty in those days but seems you can't even get the basic facts right. What "Yugoslavia under Milosevic"? Croatians were head of SFR Yugoslavia at the time war broke out and the only Yugoslavia Milosevic lead was FRY, consisting of Serbia and Montenegro. And you criticise Neil Clark because it doesn't fit your narrative? You need to get your facts right, not him!

Navi

pre 6 godina

The larger part of these people were Croats
(Dwight, 1 September 2017 15:29)

Correction: they were Ustasha and Ustasha sympathizers. They deserved every bullet given to them by UdBA on orders from Tito. Funny how no other ethnic group, including Serbs, was targeted.

X- man

pre 6 godina

(rote kapelle, 2 September

Kapella. Turks won all the wars for 500 years and what they were for Balkan people and for Europe.

Is not how many battles battles you win but is also how many crimes you do!
Israel doesn't forgive Germans for Holocaust
Europe doesn't forgive Turks for what they did.
And Croats, Bosnians and Albanians will never forgive Serbs for the Genocide.

LOL

pre 6 godina

Little Ivica the communist who worships at Tito's mausoleum in wicked Belgrade also at Milosevic the greater Serb wicked communist graveyard.
(Lenard, 1 September 2017 17:45)

The only thing I'd like doing more than worshiping at Tito's grave is pissing on Tudjman's. Tito was the only decent Croat of the 20th century :)

Zoran

pre 6 godina

SERBS AND MONTENEGRINS JUST STAYED LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BEHAVED APPROPRIATELY !
(rote kapelle, 3 September 2017 00:08)
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Rote, no need to respond to Azir, he is just spreading BS like always. It was the Yugoslav army, consisting of Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bosnians that were attempting to protect the constitution. Yugoslavia was lead by Croatians at the time, not Serbs. In Slovenia, the army withdrew and left their weapons. Serbs had no interest there. Azir has a warped sense of reality, brainwashed by fake news.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

You can twist my words as much as you want. Who says that the breakup of Yugoslavia was only Serbs fault because it was not me and I dont think many other people think so either?
(Dwight, 3 September 2017 17:42)
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You are implying it, read what you wrote again, here is some of it.

"Then along came Milosevic and decided that instead of keeping nationalism under control, he would play to the worst elements of Serbian nationalism and let it loose on Yugoslavia for his own benefit.
If Milosevic had executed the Serbian nationalists instead of giving them power, maybe none of the wars would have happened."

You are solely blaming Milosevic and Serbian nationalism but make no mention of Tudjman and Croatian nationalism. Now you are saying it wasn't only Serbia's fault? LOL! Of course it wasn't, everyone played their role including the west but you are a bit late. You don't come across as someone impartial, put it that way.

Raisin Scone

pre 6 godina

Dacic is absolutely correct. This myth was used to rally support for the destruction of Serbia. The reality is that Croatia and Slovenia, as well as Bosniaks just didn't want to be part of Yugoslavia any longer. Tito was what held Yugoslavia together, and when he died so did Yugoslavia. Serbs were in these different locations all along, and due to what happened to them during WWII, they did not want to live under potentially hostile regimes after the breakup, so they rebelled, just like the Albanians of Kosovo did. Yet, hiring expensive public relations firms got them the upper hand in the war for public opinion. Having the unethical Clintons to do their bidding didn't hurt either. Who knows what the future will hold, but whatever it is, these events will play a big part in its writing.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

"I've raised you as if I were your mother!" last words of Elena Ceausescu to one of her executors...your nation will never wash away the stain of that murder derdimen Rumanie..and reply to me under the same thread where I choose to entertain my d. with you, without jumping from a thread to another like a tiny romanian b. who sings in spanish to her turkish mustached corazon from Stamboll..

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran
You can twist my words as much as you want. Who says that the breakup of Yugoslavia was only Serbs fault because it was not me and I dont think many other people think so either?. Serbian politicians are not in the Hague for breaking up Yugoslavia, they are there for pushing a policy of ethnic cleansing, mass murder of civilians and collective punishment.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

So many lies here, so many lies from this guy Eisenhower Dwight and this other buddy of mine called "free to have the mosquito's brain! Jugosllavia was so real and IS so real that you, all of you albanians serbs croatians, are still stuck in what is left of Jugosllavia and you all know what that is! @ Eisenhower Dwight Can you elaborate a little bit on what was the titoist "self-administration" in theory and practice also? So you can show off some knowledge in economics? What was your family background during Tito's regime? Was your father a taxi driver back then? Open your heart to the public Dwight!!

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Is this the same Serbia that proclaimed Beograd to be the first 'Juden Frei' city in Europe in 1941. The only people you Serbs are fooling are yourselves. Let's not forget that Nedic & Mihajlovic were both convicted and executed 🔫of war crimes by the same YU you say you loved and wanted to keep. You Serbs don't know what you want !

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Rote and Dragoliub are NORTH KOREANS who are doing propaganda pro Russia and pro comunism .

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Serbian government was charged with operating a criminal enterprise....
(Azir, 1 September 2017 23:38)

SERBS ARE THE MOST GLORIOUS NATION IN THE REGION AND THEY HAVE ALMOST NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF. ALL THE REST SUCK AND LICK FOR CENTURIES - ASK YOUR FATHER FOR THE DETAILS.

SERBS AND RUSSIANS DESTROYED NAZI AND THE FASCISTS WHILE CONTINENTAL EUROPE TOTALLY SUCKED. THAT'S WHY THE DESCENDANTS OF THE NAZI HATE US SO MUCH.

ANGLO-SAXONS TOO DIDN'T FIGHT THE NAZI. FOR 3 YEARS THEY LED THEIR COLONIAL WARS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WW2. ASK YOUR WAFFEN SS FATHER.

US AND SERBS ONLY HAVE MORAL RIGHT TO DISCUSS HISTORY !

icj1

pre 6 godina

They had been planning an independent Croatia since the end of WWII
(Zoran, 2 September 2017 20:34)

Ok, and than what?!
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and when the opportunity came, they were there
(Zoran, 2 September 2017 20:34)

Yes, and not just Croatia... when the opportunity came, almost all the other constitutive units of SFRY (Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia) also decided that they did not want to be in the same country with Serbia.

Free

pre 6 godina

Yugoslavia was an artificial state. Both times Yugoslavia was created by foreign politicians not by the will of its people. The only way Yugoslavia could live was by oppression and more oppression.

And when no one could bear that oppression any longer Serbia found out the "final solution": Terror, ethnical cleansing and genocide. Serbia learned from the best: Uncle Adolf and Uncle Joe. And Greater Serbia ended up like The Third Reich and Soviet Union.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran
Milosevic may not have been president of the full Yugoslavia, but he controlled half of the Presidency, giving him enormous power.
Milosevic wanted all power centralised under him. Would Croatia have remained in Yugoslavia if republics were granted more power instead of less? Maybe not, but again, the issue that the ICTY etc have with Serbian (and other) politics is not becasue Yugoslavia broke up or that Serbia thinks Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. The issue is mass murder of civilians, collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.

Ending the autonomy of Kosovo and Vojvodina is Greater Serbia.
Yugoslavia splitting but all Serbs in one state remaining is Greater Serbia.
The SRS openly called for a Geater Serbia and worked in partnership with the SPS of Milosevic and Dacic.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Serbs are to be commended for this for sure, but there was also a significant minority who collaborated with the Nazis. This collaboration is not extraordinary , there were such people in every country.
There is still a vocal minority in Serbia that pushes similar policies and ideas as Nazi-collaborators, but when challenged, they try to excuse themselves by giving an example of how the Partisans fought the Nazis

Who would you have sided with in WW2? Would you have volunteered for the Orthodox Serb Chetniks who wanted to kill/expel non-Serbs from what they considered Serbian lands. Or, would you have picked the Communist Partisans whose also had Croats, Orthodox, Atheist, Jews, Catholic and Muslims.

I think I know who you would have supported.

As a continuation, which of the following people/groups would collaborate with Nazis in return for Greater Serbia?
Dacic, Nikolic, Vucic, Obraz, Boško Obradović, Milorad Dodik, Seselj, SRS, DSS, Dveri, Zavetnici, Serbian Action, Ratko Mladić, SNP Nasi

( and Yes is worse in Croatia, but I don't live there)

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Rote and Dragoliub are NORTH KOREANS who are doing propaganda pro Russia and pro comunism .

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head
(adrian_bucharest

WHAT'S WRONG WITH N.KOREANS ?
DID THEY EVER ATTACKED SOMEONE LIKE ROMANIA DID IN 1941 ?
DID THEY HANG THEIR PRESIDENT WHO HAS PAYED OUT ALL THE DEBTS OF ROMANIA?
DO THEY SUCK LIKE THE ROMANIANS DO?
OR DO THEIR CITIES AND VILLAGES LOOK WORSE THAN YOURS?

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Serbs attacked Slovenia 🇸🇮

Serbs attacked Croatia 🇭🇷

Serbs attacked Bosnia 🇧🇦

Serbs attacked Kosova 🇽🇰

Greater Serbia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the Balkans and all of Europe .

Croatia knows what to DO!
(Azir, 1 September 2017 20:33)

SERBS AND MONTENEGRINS JUST STAYED LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BEHAVED APPROPRIATELY !

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Yugoslavia was an artificial state. Both times Yugoslavia was created by foreign politicians not by the will of its people. The only way Yugoslavia could live was by oppression and more oppression.
(Free, 3 September 2017 20:38)
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I like the way you spin things. In fact, what you describe sounds more like the EU, being the Fourth Reich. As it becomes more and more oppressive, it is falling apart. First the PIIGS then Brexit, the refugees and terrorism. Looks like it will end up like Eugoslavia - who wants to be in a union dominated by Germany? Lets ask the Greeks first.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

More BS coming from Dwight, just repeating 1990s propaganda and demonstrating his ignorance. The world has moved on.

We got what we wanted in Bosnia Dwight, it's called Republika Srpska and it's not greater Serbia. In Croatia, we were ethnically cleansed and no convictions? Just goes to show how biased the NATO court is. Even Carla Del Ponte admitted she was prevented from investigating the other side.

Serbs are freedom loving people and we will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. We bow to no empire and that is the reason so many Serbs ended up in the NATO court. We were the first to raise against the NAZIs and the first to raise against NATO and we will keep fighting.

Yes, the west is now reaping its rewards. Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croatian-mp-blames-alija-izetbegovic-for-islamic-terrorism--08-30-2017

Free

pre 6 godina

Radical Serbs not only have no sense of reality but they have a so high level of stupidity that they contradict themselves.

Radical Serbs accuse Croats as Nazis and for ethnical cleansing against Serbs. Accuse Bosnians and Albanians as Muslim terrorists and Serbs-haters. Accuse Macedonians and Montenegrins as traitors. And then they claim that Yugoslavia was a "natural" state.

Yugoslavia was so artificial and "brotherhood and unity" was so hypocritical that in the end every nation preferred the war better than living in the same state.

And it`s true, everyone wanted to leave Yugoslavia but it was SERBIA who started all the FOUR wars. It was Serbia who controlled the only army in the region. And it was Serbia who first use it against civilian population.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Budala, what a few Serbs (Nedic) did under NAZI occupation and pressure is quite different to the Serbian cause. We defeated the NAZIs and every year we march in Serbia and other parts of the world, such as ANZAC day in Australia to commemorate those that sacrificed their lives for our freedom.

This is not the case for you Albanians, Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and so on. You wish the NAZIs won.

Oh, and Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US for helping save US pilots. He is a hero in their eyes.

icj1

pre 6 godina

what a few Serbs (Nedic) did under NAZI occupation and pressure is quite different to the Serbian cause.
(Zoran, 4 September 2017 14:15)

Absolutely, it's great that you finally realised that Nadic was a puppet (similarly to Pavelic or the puppet governments Italy and Germany created in Albania) and Nadic, Pavelic and the Albanian pupper governments did not represent the wishes of the Serb, Croat or Albanian people. That is why both Albania and Yugoslavia were considered as being on victors' side after WW2.

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Free : Greater Serbia ended up like The Third Reich and Soviet Union.

IDIOT OF THE YEAR ! YUGOSLAVIA WAS SMALL USSR BUT WHAT DID IT HAVE IN COMMON WITH THE REICH ?


Skenderbeu

HI FRIEND ! THE ONLY REASON WHY THE CEAUSESCU WERE TRETED SO CRUEL WAS THAT NICOLAE HAD PAID OUT ALL THE DEBTS OF THE STATE AND DECLARED THAT WON'T TAKE NO MORE LOANS. SO THE WALL STREET GAVE HIM SUCH DEATH PENALY ...


adrian_bucharest

SURE KIM ISA BIT INSANE BUT ONLY A BIT ... HE IS WINNING THIS WAR OF THE NERVES IF YOU ARE ABLE TO JUDGE BY YOURSELF.

Guest

pre 6 godina

How about a greater Balkans where everyone actually returns and fixes the region up instead of running away to the west the moment we get an opportunity.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

Nobody wanted to leave Jugosllavia, americans needed to destroy it and they were successful. The only thing they didnt foresee is that albanians and croatians would continue to have a great nostalgia for that "artificial creature". The artificial creature was built on and wih the blood and sacrifices of serbs, albanians, croats, slovenes, macedonians, hungarians, montenegrins. Was so real that we all envied kosovars back then. It was destroyed and will not be built again though, so everybody let just care for its own country.

Golden Eagle

pre 6 godina

Zoran

"We defeatet the nazis" No you did not

"We celebrate Anzac day" Irrelevant celebration

"You wish the Nazis would have won " Depends. If they would have won then there would be no serb left alive on this earth. That would be an excellent start!

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Serbs are to be commended for this for sure, but there was also a significant minority who collaborated with the Nazis. This collaboration is not extraordinary , there were such people in every country.
There is still a vocal minority in Serbia that pushes similar policies and ideas as Nazi-collaborators, but when challenged, they try to excuse themselves by giving an example of how the Partisans fought the Nazis

Who would you have sided with in WW2? Would you have volunteered for the Orthodox Serb Chetniks who wanted to create a pure Greater Serbia. Or, would you have picked the Communist Partisans whose also had Croats, Orthodox, Atheist, Jews, Catholic and Muslims members

As a continuation, which of the following people/groups do you think would collaborate with Nazis in return for Greater Serbia?
Dacic, Nikolic, Vucic, Obraz, Boško Obradović, Milorad Dodik, Seselj, SRS, DSS, Dveri, Zavetnici, Serbian Action, Ratko Mladić, SNP Nasi

( and Yes is worse in Croatia, but I don't live there)

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Skanderbeu , i reply where i want !

Rote Kapele , at what is so important the second world war if all wars and decisions are political ?

For other people who fight here => In 1990s Serbs not were angels but they not were demons to . As i`ve always said in Balkans we are in the same problems. I personaly don`t consider in 1990s Serbia to be the bad one or the good one and same the others .

If Croatia was the most big country from Yugoslavia maybe in war they would killed Serbs , Serbia was the most big and the most strong => you can`t judge but one thing is for sure none of the countries was thhe good or the bad one => It all was a bullshit that lead to nothing good for ordinary people in special for the ones from Serbia , Bosnia

Dirty Harry

pre 6 godina

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head
(adrian_bucharest, 2 September 2017 13:03)

Speaking of head washing, I'm way overdo. Where are the Albanian and Croat head washing maisters that frequent this site when I need them to make my day?

Peggy

pre 6 godina

"We defeatet the nazis" No you did not
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YES we did. Serbia was part of the allies and the allies won. Not one country on their own won.

"We celebrate Anzac day" Irrelevant celebration
==============
Tell that to the Aussies and Kiwis. You want your butt kicked?

"You wish the Nazis would have won " Depends. If they would have won then there would be no serb left alive on this earth. That would be an excellent start!

(Golden Eagle, 4 September 2017 15:53
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Now you are telling the truth. Your black heart is filled with hate.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

If he was such a hero why haven't I ever heard Obama, Trump or even when Biden visited Serbia ever mention his name. You mass murder thousands of people and are convicted of war crimes, just cause you save a couple of Yanks doesn't excuse your crimes. He will always be remembered as a war criminal.
(Jesi Budala, 4 September 2017 23:33)
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Do you expect every POTUS since WWII to keep mentioning it? They don't mention their own heroes from WWII.
You want proof? Hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPCKLo8PLek

BTW it was a lot more than a couple. Madeline Albright's family were protected in Serbia then as well. She was a child then. She conveniently forgot all that. Some Yanks are not grateful at all.

Live_with_it

pre 6 godina

My God Dwight, you are so clueless. Tito didn't crush Croatian nationalism. It was alive and well back then and still is today. The Ustashas were active all around the world, in Australia, the US and elsewhere and strongly supported the conflict in Croatia.

Also, Milosevic was no nationalist. You are brainwashed by the fake news of the time but that's understandable - many are from those days but good things is the younger generation have much more alternative sources.

Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 1 September 2017 16:12)

I can't believe you're posting a link to an article by Neil Clark, a man that deserves a monument to the greater serbian cause in belgrade.
Try other methods to prove your lies because Clark is simply a serb paid clown.

https://www.rferl.org/a/milosevic-war-crime-deniers-feed-receptive-audience/27910664.html

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - You say Mihajlovic received some sort of an award by the Yanks after WW2.

If he was such a hero why haven't I ever heard Obama, Trump or even when Biden visited Serbia ever mention his name. You mass murder thousands of people and are convicted of war crimes, just cause you save a couple of Yanks doesn't excuse your crimes. He will always be remembered as a war criminal.

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

for rote kapelle

I not said is someting wrong with the North Koreans

They do propaganda

They come even in Romanian websites

icj1

pre 6 godina

Madeline Albright's family were protected in Serbia then as well. She was a child then. She conveniently forgot all that. Some Yanks are not grateful at all.
(Peggy, 6 September 2017 01:58)

Just because Serbs protected Madeline Albright's family, that is not a license for some Serbs to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity at the end of the 20th century!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 6 godina

Let's first go back to the first half of the 1940's and understand what Croatian Nazi Ustase did to Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Dalmacija ! Well more than a million and possibly closer to two million Serbian people were horrifically murdered by Croatian Nazi Ustase in Dalmacija and Bosna i Herzegovina ! After World War Two Serbian people remained tight lipped regarding what Croatian Nazi Ustase did only to please their new Mortal God Josip Broz Tito ! So Tito was smart he knew exactly how to keep Croatia safe and stable for Hitler's phase two " Generalplan Ost " of the 1990's ! So Serbian people stayed so quiet regarding the attrocities Croatian Nazi Ustase did during the 1940's and that is why Srbija is in the situation it is today ! Serbian people choose Josip Broz Tito to put on the throne in Beograd and murder their Serbian Brothers and Sisters in the name of Tito Communism ! So the 1990's again with Hilly Billy Clinton the next opportunity for Serbian Hollocast ! The fact is nothing has ever changed, only gotten worse for Serbian people ! The fact is USA, England and Germany were never and will never favor the Serbian people !

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The problem Serbs have with the 90s is that the West ruled supreme and we were on the other side. That is when their fake news was believed by so many.

Now it's different, especially with the younger ones and social media, which is why so many are opposed to the establishment. Things have changed and it is a good opportunity to get the whole truth out there.

Serbia is in a much stronger position now and time is definitely on our side. A good indication is - with the whole establishment behind Clinton, she still lost the election as did their Republican candidate.

Keep the battle going my fellow Serbs and the truth will come out.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

Of course it's a great lie. Croats never wanted Yugoslavia. They never wanted to work with people who are similar and speak the same language as them because they preferred to be a puppet to foreign entities instead. Notable exceptions, of course. ORUNJ and the Croat Partizans come to mind. But for the most part, Croats only chose Yugoslavia after their sponsors (Austro-Hungary and later Nazi Germany) lost and fell apart.

The Serbian people's most catastrophic mistake was to sacrifice all that it did to enter a union with people who hate them. It almost led to Serbia's complete erosion and extinction. Never again.

Azir

pre 6 godina

Serbs attacked Slovenia 🇸🇮

Serbs attacked Croatia 🇭🇷

Serbs attacked Bosnia 🇧🇦

Serbs attacked Kosova 🇽🇰

Greater Serbia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the Balkans and all of Europe .

Croatia knows what to DO!

Zoran

pre 6 godina

My God Dwight, you are so clueless. Tito didn't crush Croatian nationalism. It was alive and well back then and still is today. The Ustashas were active all around the world, in Australia, the US and elsewhere and strongly supported the conflict in Croatia.

Also, Milosevic was no nationalist. You are brainwashed by the fake news of the time but that's understandable - many are from those days but good things is the younger generation have much more alternative sources.

Check -> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/21/tenquestionsonslobodanmilo

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Serbs attacked Slovenia 🇸🇮

Serbs attacked Croatia 🇭🇷

Serbs attacked Bosnia 🇧🇦

Serbs attacked Kosova 🇽🇰

Greater Serbia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the Balkans and all of Europe .

Croatia knows what to DO!
(Azir, 1 September 2017 20:33)

SERBS AND MONTENEGRINS JUST STAYED LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BEHAVED APPROPRIATELY !

Navi

pre 6 godina

The larger part of these people were Croats
(Dwight, 1 September 2017 15:29)

Correction: they were Ustasha and Ustasha sympathizers. They deserved every bullet given to them by UdBA on orders from Tito. Funny how no other ethnic group, including Serbs, was targeted.

LOL

pre 6 godina

Little Ivica the communist who worships at Tito's mausoleum in wicked Belgrade also at Milosevic the greater Serb wicked communist graveyard.
(Lenard, 1 September 2017 17:45)

The only thing I'd like doing more than worshiping at Tito's grave is pissing on Tudjman's. Tito was the only decent Croat of the 20th century :)

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Serbian government was charged with operating a criminal enterprise....
(Azir, 1 September 2017 23:38)

SERBS ARE THE MOST GLORIOUS NATION IN THE REGION AND THEY HAVE ALMOST NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF. ALL THE REST SUCK AND LICK FOR CENTURIES - ASK YOUR FATHER FOR THE DETAILS.

SERBS AND RUSSIANS DESTROYED NAZI AND THE FASCISTS WHILE CONTINENTAL EUROPE TOTALLY SUCKED. THAT'S WHY THE DESCENDANTS OF THE NAZI HATE US SO MUCH.

ANGLO-SAXONS TOO DIDN'T FIGHT THE NAZI. FOR 3 YEARS THEY LED THEIR COLONIAL WARS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WW2. ASK YOUR WAFFEN SS FATHER.

US AND SERBS ONLY HAVE MORAL RIGHT TO DISCUSS HISTORY !

Dwight

pre 6 godina

Tito kept all ethnic nationalism under control, the UDBA assasinated approximately 100 people outside of Yugo under his orders, and many more were killed or imprisoned inside the country.
The larger part of these people were Croats as Croatian nationalism was the biggest danger and Tito's own Croatian roots didn't stop him from crushing Croatian nationalism.
Then along came Milosevic and decided that instead of keeping nationalism under control, he would play to the worst elements of Serbian nationalism and let it loose on Yugoslavia for his own benefit.
If Milosevic had executed the Serbian nationalists instead of giving them power, maybe none of the wars would have happened.
"Greater Serbia aggression" is a truth. Dacic is in denial because if he admits the truth he must then face his own involvement in the thousands of needless deaths.

Lenard

pre 6 godina

Little Ivica the communist who worships at Tito's mausoleum in wicked Belgrade also at Milosevic the greater Serb wicked communist graveyard. Little Ivica, Melosevic Greater wicked Serbia misinformation propaganda minister still at it spouting as usual total wicked nonsense of lies. One of many Serbs responsible for the deaths of 10's of thousands of deaths and millions ethnic cleansed from their homes. All in the name of Greater wicked evil Serbia that will lives in infamy.

Avni

pre 6 godina

What were Serbs from Serbia doing in Croatia and Bosnia? I don't remember Croats and Bosnians fighting in Serbia. You even expelled Croats from Vojvodina when we know there was no war.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

Zoran, I never know whether you are some sort of troll or not.

Perhaps "crush" is the wrong choice of word, maybe better to say that Tito kept nationalism at a low enough level to prevent it from harming the government.
In Yugoslavia under Tito, the state was more important than the various ethnicities.
In Yugoslavia under Milosevic, this was no longer the case, government would back Serbs no matter who was right or wrong.
The only times Milosevic used the Yugoslavian army and police against Serbs was when they were protesting against him.
Croatian nationaists were attacked, Serbian nationalists were backed.

I never said Milosevic was a nationalist. His embrace of nationalism was probably just a way to get himself more power.

How can you call someone clueless when Neil Clark is on your recommended reading list?
Writers like him have a lot to answer for. I don't know whether he deliberately ignores counter-evidence or is just too stupid to fact check his own writing.
His articles are more worthy of Sputnik and RT whose readers are one rung on the intelligence ladder above Informer readers but still not yet capable of independent and critical thinking.
You know, people like you ;)

The perfect bland feel-good piece that never digs too deep.

You need to up your standards.

MikeD

pre 6 godina

The EU and USA are the international community who didn't close their eyes to this but rather encouraged. Stop with entry talks into the EU, it's simply embarrassing at this point. Nobody in the Balkans will enter the EU ever anyways. Concessions and accords are a joke. Instead, give migrants maps of how to get into Croatia. Let's see how the EU handles it this time.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

LOL! Dwight, me a troll? I've been commenting here for well over 10 years. I've heard it all and can only keep slapping people like you with the truth. You are right though, "crush" was the wrong word as Croatian nationalism was thriving out of Yugoslavia. They had been planning an independent Croatia since the end of WWII and when the opportunity came, they were there with their former axis partner, a newly united Germany. But it's all the Serbs fault, yep, keep believing the fake news. There was plenty in those days but seems you can't even get the basic facts right. What "Yugoslavia under Milosevic"? Croatians were head of SFR Yugoslavia at the time war broke out and the only Yugoslavia Milosevic lead was FRY, consisting of Serbia and Montenegro. And you criticise Neil Clark because it doesn't fit your narrative? You need to get your facts right, not him!

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Rote and Dragoliub are NORTH KOREANS who are doing propaganda pro Russia and pro comunism .

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head
(adrian_bucharest

WHAT'S WRONG WITH N.KOREANS ?
DID THEY EVER ATTACKED SOMEONE LIKE ROMANIA DID IN 1941 ?
DID THEY HANG THEIR PRESIDENT WHO HAS PAYED OUT ALL THE DEBTS OF ROMANIA?
DO THEY SUCK LIKE THE ROMANIANS DO?
OR DO THEIR CITIES AND VILLAGES LOOK WORSE THAN YOURS?

Azir

pre 6 godina

Dacic was Milosevic's mouthpiece during 1990's Greater Serbia Campaign of Terror....

Lieing was Serb Priority POLICY.

They the Serb escaped with all that aggression due to lie after lie..

Then it caught up to them....

NATO was forced to act!

Serbian government was charged with operating a criminal enterprise....

Raisin Scone

pre 6 godina

Dacic is absolutely correct. This myth was used to rally support for the destruction of Serbia. The reality is that Croatia and Slovenia, as well as Bosniaks just didn't want to be part of Yugoslavia any longer. Tito was what held Yugoslavia together, and when he died so did Yugoslavia. Serbs were in these different locations all along, and due to what happened to them during WWII, they did not want to live under potentially hostile regimes after the breakup, so they rebelled, just like the Albanians of Kosovo did. Yet, hiring expensive public relations firms got them the upper hand in the war for public opinion. Having the unethical Clintons to do their bidding didn't hurt either. Who knows what the future will hold, but whatever it is, these events will play a big part in its writing.

X- man

pre 6 godina

(rote kapelle, 2 September

Kapella. Turks won all the wars for 500 years and what they were for Balkan people and for Europe.

Is not how many battles battles you win but is also how many crimes you do!
Israel doesn't forgive Germans for Holocaust
Europe doesn't forgive Turks for what they did.
And Croats, Bosnians and Albanians will never forgive Serbs for the Genocide.

Rango

pre 6 godina

If they are denying like this what everyone saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears, then one can imagine what they have whitewashed and hidden from their WW2 period that doesn't suit their purpose.

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Rote and Dragoliub are NORTH KOREANS who are doing propaganda pro Russia and pro comunism .

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head

Zoran

pre 6 godina

SERBS AND MONTENEGRINS JUST STAYED LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BEHAVED APPROPRIATELY !
(rote kapelle, 3 September 2017 00:08)
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Rote, no need to respond to Azir, he is just spreading BS like always. It was the Yugoslav army, consisting of Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bosnians that were attempting to protect the constitution. Yugoslavia was lead by Croatians at the time, not Serbs. In Slovenia, the army withdrew and left their weapons. Serbs had no interest there. Azir has a warped sense of reality, brainwashed by fake news.

icj1

pre 6 godina

They had been planning an independent Croatia since the end of WWII
(Zoran, 2 September 2017 20:34)

Ok, and than what?!
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and when the opportunity came, they were there
(Zoran, 2 September 2017 20:34)

Yes, and not just Croatia... when the opportunity came, almost all the other constitutive units of SFRY (Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Slovenia) also decided that they did not want to be in the same country with Serbia.

Free

pre 6 godina

Yugoslavia was an artificial state. Both times Yugoslavia was created by foreign politicians not by the will of its people. The only way Yugoslavia could live was by oppression and more oppression.

And when no one could bear that oppression any longer Serbia found out the "final solution": Terror, ethnical cleansing and genocide. Serbia learned from the best: Uncle Adolf and Uncle Joe. And Greater Serbia ended up like The Third Reich and Soviet Union.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

You can twist my words as much as you want. Who says that the breakup of Yugoslavia was only Serbs fault because it was not me and I dont think many other people think so either?
(Dwight, 3 September 2017 17:42)
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You are implying it, read what you wrote again, here is some of it.

"Then along came Milosevic and decided that instead of keeping nationalism under control, he would play to the worst elements of Serbian nationalism and let it loose on Yugoslavia for his own benefit.
If Milosevic had executed the Serbian nationalists instead of giving them power, maybe none of the wars would have happened."

You are solely blaming Milosevic and Serbian nationalism but make no mention of Tudjman and Croatian nationalism. Now you are saying it wasn't only Serbia's fault? LOL! Of course it wasn't, everyone played their role including the west but you are a bit late. You don't come across as someone impartial, put it that way.

Kosovar

pre 6 godina

Its not a lie, its a FACT,

1885 - Aggression on Bulgaria
1991 - Aggression on Slovenia
1991 - 1995 Aggression in Croatia
1992 - 1995 Aggression in Bosnia
1998 -1999 Agression in Kosovo

If this is not aggression then by all means your brain needs to be formatted.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

The Serbs lost the war and now they will try anything and I mean anything to change history. The Serbs tried and failed miserably to create a GS but instead ended up with a shit load of filthy Krajina Serbs who ran like rats instead being big tough Chetniks and defending their homes. If anything the dream of GS has become so small that even Seselj cannot wander to far from Beograd without being spat on. 🐀

Zoran

pre 6 godina

More BS coming from Dwight, just repeating 1990s propaganda and demonstrating his ignorance. The world has moved on.

We got what we wanted in Bosnia Dwight, it's called Republika Srpska and it's not greater Serbia. In Croatia, we were ethnically cleansed and no convictions? Just goes to show how biased the NATO court is. Even Carla Del Ponte admitted she was prevented from investigating the other side.

Serbs are freedom loving people and we will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. We bow to no empire and that is the reason so many Serbs ended up in the NATO court. We were the first to raise against the NAZIs and the first to raise against NATO and we will keep fighting.

Yes, the west is now reaping its rewards. Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croatian-mp-blames-alija-izetbegovic-for-islamic-terrorism--08-30-2017

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran
You can twist my words as much as you want. Who says that the breakup of Yugoslavia was only Serbs fault because it was not me and I dont think many other people think so either?. Serbian politicians are not in the Hague for breaking up Yugoslavia, they are there for pushing a policy of ethnic cleansing, mass murder of civilians and collective punishment.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Is this the same Serbia that proclaimed Beograd to be the first 'Juden Frei' city in Europe in 1941. The only people you Serbs are fooling are yourselves. Let's not forget that Nedic & Mihajlovic were both convicted and executed 🔫of war crimes by the same YU you say you loved and wanted to keep. You Serbs don't know what you want !

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Budala, what a few Serbs (Nedic) did under NAZI occupation and pressure is quite different to the Serbian cause. We defeated the NAZIs and every year we march in Serbia and other parts of the world, such as ANZAC day in Australia to commemorate those that sacrificed their lives for our freedom.

This is not the case for you Albanians, Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and so on. You wish the NAZIs won.

Oh, and Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US for helping save US pilots. He is a hero in their eyes.

rote kapelle

pre 6 godina

Free : Greater Serbia ended up like The Third Reich and Soviet Union.

IDIOT OF THE YEAR ! YUGOSLAVIA WAS SMALL USSR BUT WHAT DID IT HAVE IN COMMON WITH THE REICH ?


Skenderbeu

HI FRIEND ! THE ONLY REASON WHY THE CEAUSESCU WERE TRETED SO CRUEL WAS THAT NICOLAE HAD PAID OUT ALL THE DEBTS OF THE STATE AND DECLARED THAT WON'T TAKE NO MORE LOANS. SO THE WALL STREET GAVE HIM SUCH DEATH PENALY ...


adrian_bucharest

SURE KIM ISA BIT INSANE BUT ONLY A BIT ... HE IS WINNING THIS WAR OF THE NERVES IF YOU ARE ABLE TO JUDGE BY YOURSELF.

Golden Eagle

pre 6 godina

Zoran

"We defeatet the nazis" No you did not

"We celebrate Anzac day" Irrelevant celebration

"You wish the Nazis would have won " Depends. If they would have won then there would be no serb left alive on this earth. That would be an excellent start!

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Serbs are to be commended for this for sure, but there was also a significant minority who collaborated with the Nazis. This collaboration is not extraordinary , there were such people in every country.
There is still a vocal minority in Serbia that pushes similar policies and ideas as Nazi-collaborators, but when challenged, they try to excuse themselves by giving an example of how the Partisans fought the Nazis

Who would you have sided with in WW2? Would you have volunteered for the Orthodox Serb Chetniks who wanted to kill/expel non-Serbs from what they considered Serbian lands. Or, would you have picked the Communist Partisans whose also had Croats, Orthodox, Atheist, Jews, Catholic and Muslims.

I think I know who you would have supported.

As a continuation, which of the following people/groups would collaborate with Nazis in return for Greater Serbia?
Dacic, Nikolic, Vucic, Obraz, Boško Obradović, Milorad Dodik, Seselj, SRS, DSS, Dveri, Zavetnici, Serbian Action, Ratko Mladić, SNP Nasi

( and Yes is worse in Croatia, but I don't live there)

Peggy

pre 6 godina

"We defeatet the nazis" No you did not
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YES we did. Serbia was part of the allies and the allies won. Not one country on their own won.

"We celebrate Anzac day" Irrelevant celebration
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Tell that to the Aussies and Kiwis. You want your butt kicked?

"You wish the Nazis would have won " Depends. If they would have won then there would be no serb left alive on this earth. That would be an excellent start!

(Golden Eagle, 4 September 2017 15:53
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Now you are telling the truth. Your black heart is filled with hate.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

"I've raised you as if I were your mother!" last words of Elena Ceausescu to one of her executors...your nation will never wash away the stain of that murder derdimen Rumanie..and reply to me under the same thread where I choose to entertain my d. with you, without jumping from a thread to another like a tiny romanian b. who sings in spanish to her turkish mustached corazon from Stamboll..

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran
Milosevic may not have been president of the full Yugoslavia, but he controlled half of the Presidency, giving him enormous power.
Milosevic wanted all power centralised under him. Would Croatia have remained in Yugoslavia if republics were granted more power instead of less? Maybe not, but again, the issue that the ICTY etc have with Serbian (and other) politics is not becasue Yugoslavia broke up or that Serbia thinks Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. The issue is mass murder of civilians, collective punishment and ethnic cleansing.

Ending the autonomy of Kosovo and Vojvodina is Greater Serbia.
Yugoslavia splitting but all Serbs in one state remaining is Greater Serbia.
The SRS openly called for a Geater Serbia and worked in partnership with the SPS of Milosevic and Dacic.

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

Skanderbeu , i reply where i want !

Rote Kapele , at what is so important the second world war if all wars and decisions are political ?

For other people who fight here => In 1990s Serbs not were angels but they not were demons to . As i`ve always said in Balkans we are in the same problems. I personaly don`t consider in 1990s Serbia to be the bad one or the good one and same the others .

If Croatia was the most big country from Yugoslavia maybe in war they would killed Serbs , Serbia was the most big and the most strong => you can`t judge but one thing is for sure none of the countries was thhe good or the bad one => It all was a bullshit that lead to nothing good for ordinary people in special for the ones from Serbia , Bosnia

icj1

pre 6 godina

what a few Serbs (Nedic) did under NAZI occupation and pressure is quite different to the Serbian cause.
(Zoran, 4 September 2017 14:15)

Absolutely, it's great that you finally realised that Nadic was a puppet (similarly to Pavelic or the puppet governments Italy and Germany created in Albania) and Nadic, Pavelic and the Albanian pupper governments did not represent the wishes of the Serb, Croat or Albanian people. That is why both Albania and Yugoslavia were considered as being on victors' side after WW2.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

If he was such a hero why haven't I ever heard Obama, Trump or even when Biden visited Serbia ever mention his name. You mass murder thousands of people and are convicted of war crimes, just cause you save a couple of Yanks doesn't excuse your crimes. He will always be remembered as a war criminal.
(Jesi Budala, 4 September 2017 23:33)
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Do you expect every POTUS since WWII to keep mentioning it? They don't mention their own heroes from WWII.
You want proof? Hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPCKLo8PLek

BTW it was a lot more than a couple. Madeline Albright's family were protected in Serbia then as well. She was a child then. She conveniently forgot all that. Some Yanks are not grateful at all.

adrian_bucharest

pre 6 godina

for rote kapelle

I not said is someting wrong with the North Koreans

They do propaganda

They come even in Romanian websites

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

So many lies here, so many lies from this guy Eisenhower Dwight and this other buddy of mine called "free to have the mosquito's brain! Jugosllavia was so real and IS so real that you, all of you albanians serbs croatians, are still stuck in what is left of Jugosllavia and you all know what that is! @ Eisenhower Dwight Can you elaborate a little bit on what was the titoist "self-administration" in theory and practice also? So you can show off some knowledge in economics? What was your family background during Tito's regime? Was your father a taxi driver back then? Open your heart to the public Dwight!!

Free

pre 6 godina

Radical Serbs not only have no sense of reality but they have a so high level of stupidity that they contradict themselves.

Radical Serbs accuse Croats as Nazis and for ethnical cleansing against Serbs. Accuse Bosnians and Albanians as Muslim terrorists and Serbs-haters. Accuse Macedonians and Montenegrins as traitors. And then they claim that Yugoslavia was a "natural" state.

Yugoslavia was so artificial and "brotherhood and unity" was so hypocritical that in the end every nation preferred the war better than living in the same state.

And it`s true, everyone wanted to leave Yugoslavia but it was SERBIA who started all the FOUR wars. It was Serbia who controlled the only army in the region. And it was Serbia who first use it against civilian population.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 6 godina

Nobody wanted to leave Jugosllavia, americans needed to destroy it and they were successful. The only thing they didnt foresee is that albanians and croatians would continue to have a great nostalgia for that "artificial creature". The artificial creature was built on and wih the blood and sacrifices of serbs, albanians, croats, slovenes, macedonians, hungarians, montenegrins. Was so real that we all envied kosovars back then. It was destroyed and will not be built again though, so everybody let just care for its own country.

Dwight

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - We were the first to rise up against the NAZI's.

Serbs are to be commended for this for sure, but there was also a significant minority who collaborated with the Nazis. This collaboration is not extraordinary , there were such people in every country.
There is still a vocal minority in Serbia that pushes similar policies and ideas as Nazi-collaborators, but when challenged, they try to excuse themselves by giving an example of how the Partisans fought the Nazis

Who would you have sided with in WW2? Would you have volunteered for the Orthodox Serb Chetniks who wanted to create a pure Greater Serbia. Or, would you have picked the Communist Partisans whose also had Croats, Orthodox, Atheist, Jews, Catholic and Muslims members

As a continuation, which of the following people/groups do you think would collaborate with Nazis in return for Greater Serbia?
Dacic, Nikolic, Vucic, Obraz, Boško Obradović, Milorad Dodik, Seselj, SRS, DSS, Dveri, Zavetnici, Serbian Action, Ratko Mladić, SNP Nasi

( and Yes is worse in Croatia, but I don't live there)

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Yugoslavia was an artificial state. Both times Yugoslavia was created by foreign politicians not by the will of its people. The only way Yugoslavia could live was by oppression and more oppression.
(Free, 3 September 2017 20:38)
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I like the way you spin things. In fact, what you describe sounds more like the EU, being the Fourth Reich. As it becomes more and more oppressive, it is falling apart. First the PIIGS then Brexit, the refugees and terrorism. Looks like it will end up like Eugoslavia - who wants to be in a union dominated by Germany? Lets ask the Greeks first.

Dirty Harry

pre 6 godina

SKANDERBEU => they washed your head
(adrian_bucharest, 2 September 2017 13:03)

Speaking of head washing, I'm way overdo. Where are the Albanian and Croat head washing maisters that frequent this site when I need them to make my day?

Guest

pre 6 godina

How about a greater Balkans where everyone actually returns and fixes the region up instead of running away to the west the moment we get an opportunity.

Jesi Budala

pre 6 godina

@Zoran - You say Mihajlovic received some sort of an award by the Yanks after WW2.

If he was such a hero why haven't I ever heard Obama, Trump or even when Biden visited Serbia ever mention his name. You mass murder thousands of people and are convicted of war crimes, just cause you save a couple of Yanks doesn't excuse your crimes. He will always be remembered as a war criminal.

Live_with_it

pre 6 godina

My God Dwight, you are so clueless. Tito didn't crush Croatian nationalism. It was alive and well back then and still is today. The Ustashas were active all around the world, in Australia, the US and elsewhere and strongly supported the conflict in Croatia.

Also, Milosevic was no nationalist. You are brainwashed by the fake news of the time but that's understandable - many are from those days but good things is the younger generation have much more alternative sources.

Check -> [link]
(Zoran, 1 September 2017 16:12)

I can't believe you're posting a link to an article by Neil Clark, a man that deserves a monument to the greater serbian cause in belgrade.
Try other methods to prove your lies because Clark is simply a serb paid clown.

https://www.rferl.org/a/milosevic-war-crime-deniers-feed-receptive-audience/27910664.html

icj1

pre 6 godina

Madeline Albright's family were protected in Serbia then as well. She was a child then. She conveniently forgot all that. Some Yanks are not grateful at all.
(Peggy, 6 September 2017 01:58)

Just because Serbs protected Madeline Albright's family, that is not a license for some Serbs to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity at the end of the 20th century!