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Thursday, 27.07.2017.

09:43

"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"

At this point, Serbia could only accept Kosovo's independence, which would allow it to join NATO and the UN.

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Guest Human

pre 6 godina

You took Kosovo from the Byzantine Albanians, then lost it to the Turks, who then lost it to the Albanians, who then lost it again to the Serbian, Montenegrin, Greek and Bulgarian coalitions with most of their other lands, however you then lost it again to NATO. Kosovo seems to have been passed around more times between Albanians and Serbs than a cheap h00ka loooooooooooool. I'm sure extra terrestrials will be the next beings to take Kosovo from you lot. Neither of you deserve Kosovo, since all you'll do is lose it again.

Free

pre 6 godina

There is this "self-consolation" thing in Serbia: Serbia will never recognise Kosovo.
Who is asking for Serbia to recognise Kosovo? Thaci? Of course, that`s his job. But who else?

Kosovo has two major objectives: UN seat and bilateral agreements about technical problems with Serbia.

UN seat is something that neither Kosovo nor Serbia can do anything. It`s US and Russia call. And i won`t be so surprised if someday Russia and US will reach an agreement let`s say "Kosovo for Crimea". Putin already has stressed that several times.

About Kosovo-Serbia bilateral agreements, yes Serbia can give Kosovo a hard time if Serbia chooses "frozen conflict" option. But that will mean the same for K-Serbs. Which mean more Serbs will leave Kosovo for a better life in southern Serbia. And then Serbia will cry about "Serbs being forced to leave Kosovo" and the answer will be "That`s what happens when you don`t have agreements".

factman

pre 6 godina

There is no compelling reason for Serbia to join NATO or the EU

There is no compelling reason for Serbia to recognize K.

And so it will continue as a frozen conflict.

Does anyone on this forum rally think that we wont be having this same discussion in 50 years?

Independent Get Over It.

pre 6 godina

Kosovo is an independent country and both Serbia and Albania have no claim to Kosovo so you can wait till the end of the world, but that still won't change things. It's down to the citizens of Kosovo regardless of ethnicity to build their own country. I'm also for all Albanians, Serbs and Bosniaks who fled Kosovo during the war to return back to their homes. The days of war and threats are gone. The Balkans has bigger threats on the horizon, and need cooperation not separation between the different respective nations.

Independent Get Over It.

pre 6 godina

Kosovo is an independent country and both Serbia and Albania have no claim to Kosovo so you can wait till the end of the world, but that still won't change things. It's down to the citizens of Kosovo regardless of ethnicity to build their own country. I'm also for all Albanians, Serbs and Bosniaks who fled Kosovo during the war to return back to their homes. The days of war and threats are gone. The Balkans has bigger threats on the horizon, and need cooperation not separation between the different respective nations.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The polls had Clinton beating Trump. We know how that turned out.
(pollster, 27 July 2017 18:14)
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Not surprising considering it came from the fake news press and manipulated by the establishment. I was responding to Free, who was trying to make a point about some posts in the Serbian section. Somehow I think I poll has more weight than a few comments here.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Yes, there is no rush. We can wait
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 11:01)

It is in Serbia's interest to wait
(Ari Gold, 27 July 2017 15:32)

In another 500 years, seeing how Albanians are either planning to escape "Kosova"*** or join ISIS, I'd say there won't be many left.
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 15:15)

It looks like there is finally something that Zoran, Ari Gold and Kosovo agree about... namely, that Serbia should wait for 500 years. But in the blessed year 2517, Zoran will raise from his/her tomb to celebrate the victory lol

DoctorMe

pre 6 godina

It's all up to Serbian people. Greed should never cloud their judgment, they should never give Kosovo away! What will they get, door to EU, and what does that mean to the individual, average serb: cleaning toilets somewhere in Germany or France for three months (not speaking the language, not having their education and no work experience, cleaning will be all they can find in the west, at the best) and after three months they will get sick of it, return home and say never again!!! This is reality people! Meanwhile when you return, Serbia won't be Serbia anymore, but a sold soul. And it will be felt everywhere. So don't sell your soul. Wait. Hard times make people stronger, it's not easy but you will endure. Forget the false promises, stick to family values, do not give Kosovo. Good things WILL come your way!

The Count of Kosova

pre 6 godina

Prorokovic points out:

In the long-term, Serbia would remain closed inside the West Bank construct, where out of six states Albanians would have three votes, and where it could do nothing without excessive appreciation of Albanian interests.

...........

This Porokovic is not much of a political analyst. He first states that it is in Serbia's long term best interest to wait but, he then goes on to say that if Serbia does wait, Albanians will have three of six votes and Serbia will find itself fenced in like the West Bank.
With a political analyst such as Porokovic, it is no wonder Serbia is in such a sorry state!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Can you provide us all, with map of independent serbia in 1400? I am just curious how big of state was serbia !!!
(the truth, 27 July 2017 18:06)

Oh dear, you seem to have brain-farted when reading my comment. Keep reading until you can figure it out.

Avni

pre 6 godina

Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now NOR in the future:

Kovačević: Nema Srbija decu za novi rat, bio bi nam kraj http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=27&nav_category=11&nav_id=1287059

L*O*G*I*C

pre 6 godina

"Most Albanians in Kosovo would easily give up on trying to control the north and the rest of the Serbian enclaves if it meant greater ability to travel" -BA

Wrong.


"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"
Serbia can't do anything. Belgrade is set to lose millions if not billions of more EUR on crony ministries and propping illegal institutions all at the expense of the ordinary Serbian citizen. Did we mention that Kosovo's population size is on the rise while Serbia is losing a good 30,000- 50,000 every year?


Sincerely,

Reader

pre 6 godina

With the current Serbian population decrease trends, I agree. In 50-100 years time, Serbia will be a land without Serbs and the issue will solve itself.

pollster

pre 6 godina

--
I read the opinions and it's not what you say. Sure there are some but look at the votes, many more "poor comment" than "recommend".

However, the polls have been consistent, no recognition of Kosovo even if it's a condition for EU membership. Now that is more accurate than the opinions of some on B92, for all we know, they could be Albanian, Croatian, etc.... Just like Albanians write in the English section pretending to be Serbs.
(Zoran

The polls had Clinton beating Trump. We know how that turned out.

the truth

pre 6 godina

Serbs were buddying up with the Turks in the 1400s, Serbia and Greece were already independent states when pro-Porte Albanians participated in crushing the League of Prizren in the late 1800s. Albania didn't even become a country until 35 years later when Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians nearly expelled the Turk out of Europe.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 July 2017 16:59) # Comment link

Can you provide us all, with map of independent serbia in 1400? I am just curious how big of state was serbia !!!
I know it, just looking for an honest answer and/or explanation.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Sorry to wake up from your opium dreams, but i`ve not made a poll. I`m saying what i read on Serb section of B92. I could also give you some studies that show how people in polls tend to "twist" their true opinions.
(Free, 27 July 2017 15:52)
--
I read the opinions and it's not what you say. Sure there are some but look at the votes, many more "poor comment" than "recommend".

However, the polls have been consistent, no recognition of Kosovo even if it's a condition for EU membership. Now that is more accurate than the opinions of some on B92, for all we know, they could be Albanian, Croatian, etc.... Just like Albanians write in the English section pretending to be Serbs.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Arbereshet left Albania because of Ottoman reprisals after the fall of League of Lezhe. At that time Serbs were licking Ottomans` asses and giving their daughters for Turkish harems.
(Free, 27 July 2017 15:52)

Every group in the Balkans has at least one moment when they stood as the defenders against an invading enemy only to subsequently become part of that invading enemy's front line infantry. There are two problems with these "last stand" narratives. The first is that they tend to believe their own group was the one and only defiant Balkan people. The second is that because they are "last stands", it implies they became integrated within the Ottoman system shortly afterwards.

Another thing to remember is that the earlier one group was conquered by the Ottomans, the earlier they rose up 400+ years later. So while Albanians might have been putting up the good fight within the League of Lezhe while the Serbs were buddying up with the Turks in the 1400s, Serbia and Greece were already independent states when pro-Porte Albanians participated in crushing the League of Prizren in the late 1800s. Albania didn't even become a country until 35 years later when Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians nearly expelled the Turk out of Europe.

Every group has their period of kicking, kissing, and eventually kicking out, Turkish ass. It's no good to chide the nationalism of the diaspora if you're going to sound like you're one of them.

Free

pre 6 godina

What a load of BS. Opinion polls have consistently said no recognition of Kosovo, even if it is a condition for EU membership.
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 15:15)

Sorry to wake up from your opium dreams, but i`ve not made a poll. I`m saying what i read on Serb section of B92. I could also give you some studies that show how people in polls tend to "twist" their true opinions.

About ISIS, Switzerland etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB_people here you can read how Albanians DID immigrate for centuries. Arbereshet left Albania because of Ottoman reprisals after the fall of League of Lezhe. At that time Serbs were licking Ottomans` asses and giving their daughters for Turkish harems.

But still there were enough Albanians who remained in their lands. You claim Kosovo was your "cradle" but you abandoned it. We do immigrate but we don`t abandon our lands!

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

It is in Serbia's interest to wait it out because time is on Serbia's side. During "independent kosovo", several hundred thousand Albanians have left due to poor living conditions. NATO for its part will start to become fatigue over this issue and will increasingly seek Serbia's role in a permanent solution. Just wait.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Serbs actually living in Serbia are becoming more and more conscious about the reality in the region. They realise Kosovo is gone and it was Serbia`s fault.
(Free, 27 July 2017 14:09

Yes, the local mindset tends to be much more pragmatic and realistic in comparison to the keyboard warriors of the diaspora. But this applies to nearly everyone in the region. The greatest calls for Greater Anything comes from IP addresses in North America and Australia because they can afford to think ridiculous ideas from the safety and security of a developed state. Albanians in Kosovo are as realistic as Serbs in the rest of Serbia: their leaders screwed them all over, these leaders make a bunch of claims and promises no one believes, and every ordinary person just wants a chance at a normal life. Most Albanians in Kosovo would easily give up on trying to control the north and the rest of the Serbian enclaves if it meant greater ability to travel, or because local politicians could then focus on economic investment and job growth. If given the opportunity for visa-free travel and prospects of good paying jobs in the rest of Europe, Serbia, along with Kosovo, would empty out in three months. Nationalism is only used by people who need votes or who have no ties to the region.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

It`s interesting te read the comments on Srpski section about these Milosevic`s lapdog "analysts" and their Milosevic`s era midset.
(Free, 27 July 2017 14:09)
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What a load of BS. Opinion polls have consistently said no recognition of Kosovo, even if it is a condition for EU membership. Check -> https://inserbia.info/today/2016/07/serbia-people-against-nato-and-kosovo-recognition-poll-says


In another 500 years, seeing how Albanians are either planning to escape "Kosova"*** or join ISIS, I'd say there won't be many left. They will be demanding independence in Swiss canton...LOL!

Free

pre 6 godina

It`s interesting te read the comments on Srpski section about these Milosevic`s lapdog "analysts" and their Milosevic`s era midset. Serbs actually living in Serbia are becoming more and more conscious about the reality in the region. They realise Kosovo is gone and it was Serbia`s fault.

But it is also funny to read Serbian "patriots" writing from US, Canada, Northern Europe or "analysts" writing from Moscow "We lost Kosovo back in 1389 but we got it back. We just have to wait".

Yeah, you got back Kosovo and 2 million Albanians. Just wait 500 more years and you`ll have Albanian majority in Kragujevac and Musliu`s grand-grand-grandson head of Albanian National Council in Belgrade, especially when you see the birth rates in Serbia.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 6 godina

I Quote -

"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"

Comment - Yes-Yes-and Yes . very Vise !.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vidovdan&view=detail&mid=1762094608582D4796CB1762094608582D4796CB&FORM=VIRE

-Time will let it be and come to fullfillment.

The Fullfillment will be TERRIBLE for The Serbians Enemies.


Arn.Sweden.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Exactly, time is on our side. There was a point where time worked against us but that has long past. We were bombed, humiliated and demonised but we fought on. Now the EU/US made a complete mess of the region and realise their options are running out. Every day we get Albanians here begging for recognition. After everything we went through, you think we are just going to give up? We are getting stronger, not weaker.

They thought they could defeat us militarily but failed. They thought they could force it through the UN but failed. They then took it upon themselves and split the EU/NATO and the world. The EU then agreed to status neutral negotiations, the first big sign of giving up. The EU is now a mess, the Western alliance is falling apart while our friends are getting stronger and more united.

Yes, there is no rush. We can wait while the other side continue to make a bigger mess.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 6 godina

Like any ordinary con man crook, they want to put pressure for a most urgent action that will be in favor of the thief !!!

USA now acting fast with their man Vucic in power ! Vucic does not own Serbian Sveto Kosovo, Vucic can not give away what is not his ! USA is a big shit that was born only a couple of hundred years ago but wants to re write all world history ! Srpsko Sveto Kosovo was paid for in blood, sweat and tears by our Serbian ancestors many ages ago ! So shame on all those Serbian people who think that by giving away Serbian Kosovo to Albanian Islamic terrorist to please the USA ! If Serbian Kosovo is given away to Albanian Islamic terrorist then for sure Srbija will cease to exist, extinction of all Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans !!!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Serbs actually living in Serbia are becoming more and more conscious about the reality in the region. They realise Kosovo is gone and it was Serbia`s fault.
(Free, 27 July 2017 14:09

Yes, the local mindset tends to be much more pragmatic and realistic in comparison to the keyboard warriors of the diaspora. But this applies to nearly everyone in the region. The greatest calls for Greater Anything comes from IP addresses in North America and Australia because they can afford to think ridiculous ideas from the safety and security of a developed state. Albanians in Kosovo are as realistic as Serbs in the rest of Serbia: their leaders screwed them all over, these leaders make a bunch of claims and promises no one believes, and every ordinary person just wants a chance at a normal life. Most Albanians in Kosovo would easily give up on trying to control the north and the rest of the Serbian enclaves if it meant greater ability to travel, or because local politicians could then focus on economic investment and job growth. If given the opportunity for visa-free travel and prospects of good paying jobs in the rest of Europe, Serbia, along with Kosovo, would empty out in three months. Nationalism is only used by people who need votes or who have no ties to the region.

Free

pre 6 godina

It`s interesting te read the comments on Srpski section about these Milosevic`s lapdog "analysts" and their Milosevic`s era midset. Serbs actually living in Serbia are becoming more and more conscious about the reality in the region. They realise Kosovo is gone and it was Serbia`s fault.

But it is also funny to read Serbian "patriots" writing from US, Canada, Northern Europe or "analysts" writing from Moscow "We lost Kosovo back in 1389 but we got it back. We just have to wait".

Yeah, you got back Kosovo and 2 million Albanians. Just wait 500 more years and you`ll have Albanian majority in Kragujevac and Musliu`s grand-grand-grandson head of Albanian National Council in Belgrade, especially when you see the birth rates in Serbia.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Exactly, time is on our side. There was a point where time worked against us but that has long past. We were bombed, humiliated and demonised but we fought on. Now the EU/US made a complete mess of the region and realise their options are running out. Every day we get Albanians here begging for recognition. After everything we went through, you think we are just going to give up? We are getting stronger, not weaker.

They thought they could defeat us militarily but failed. They thought they could force it through the UN but failed. They then took it upon themselves and split the EU/NATO and the world. The EU then agreed to status neutral negotiations, the first big sign of giving up. The EU is now a mess, the Western alliance is falling apart while our friends are getting stronger and more united.

Yes, there is no rush. We can wait while the other side continue to make a bigger mess.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

It is in Serbia's interest to wait it out because time is on Serbia's side. During "independent kosovo", several hundred thousand Albanians have left due to poor living conditions. NATO for its part will start to become fatigue over this issue and will increasingly seek Serbia's role in a permanent solution. Just wait.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Sorry to wake up from your opium dreams, but i`ve not made a poll. I`m saying what i read on Serb section of B92. I could also give you some studies that show how people in polls tend to "twist" their true opinions.
(Free, 27 July 2017 15:52)
--
I read the opinions and it's not what you say. Sure there are some but look at the votes, many more "poor comment" than "recommend".

However, the polls have been consistent, no recognition of Kosovo even if it's a condition for EU membership. Now that is more accurate than the opinions of some on B92, for all we know, they could be Albanian, Croatian, etc.... Just like Albanians write in the English section pretending to be Serbs.

Free

pre 6 godina

What a load of BS. Opinion polls have consistently said no recognition of Kosovo, even if it is a condition for EU membership.
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 15:15)

Sorry to wake up from your opium dreams, but i`ve not made a poll. I`m saying what i read on Serb section of B92. I could also give you some studies that show how people in polls tend to "twist" their true opinions.

About ISIS, Switzerland etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB_people here you can read how Albanians DID immigrate for centuries. Arbereshet left Albania because of Ottoman reprisals after the fall of League of Lezhe. At that time Serbs were licking Ottomans` asses and giving their daughters for Turkish harems.

But still there were enough Albanians who remained in their lands. You claim Kosovo was your "cradle" but you abandoned it. We do immigrate but we don`t abandon our lands!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Arbereshet left Albania because of Ottoman reprisals after the fall of League of Lezhe. At that time Serbs were licking Ottomans` asses and giving their daughters for Turkish harems.
(Free, 27 July 2017 15:52)

Every group in the Balkans has at least one moment when they stood as the defenders against an invading enemy only to subsequently become part of that invading enemy's front line infantry. There are two problems with these "last stand" narratives. The first is that they tend to believe their own group was the one and only defiant Balkan people. The second is that because they are "last stands", it implies they became integrated within the Ottoman system shortly afterwards.

Another thing to remember is that the earlier one group was conquered by the Ottomans, the earlier they rose up 400+ years later. So while Albanians might have been putting up the good fight within the League of Lezhe while the Serbs were buddying up with the Turks in the 1400s, Serbia and Greece were already independent states when pro-Porte Albanians participated in crushing the League of Prizren in the late 1800s. Albania didn't even become a country until 35 years later when Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians nearly expelled the Turk out of Europe.

Every group has their period of kicking, kissing, and eventually kicking out, Turkish ass. It's no good to chide the nationalism of the diaspora if you're going to sound like you're one of them.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 6 godina

Like any ordinary con man crook, they want to put pressure for a most urgent action that will be in favor of the thief !!!

USA now acting fast with their man Vucic in power ! Vucic does not own Serbian Sveto Kosovo, Vucic can not give away what is not his ! USA is a big shit that was born only a couple of hundred years ago but wants to re write all world history ! Srpsko Sveto Kosovo was paid for in blood, sweat and tears by our Serbian ancestors many ages ago ! So shame on all those Serbian people who think that by giving away Serbian Kosovo to Albanian Islamic terrorist to please the USA ! If Serbian Kosovo is given away to Albanian Islamic terrorist then for sure Srbija will cease to exist, extinction of all Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans !!!

Arn.Sweden.

pre 6 godina

I Quote -

"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"

Comment - Yes-Yes-and Yes . very Vise !.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vidovdan&view=detail&mid=1762094608582D4796CB1762094608582D4796CB&FORM=VIRE

-Time will let it be and come to fullfillment.

The Fullfillment will be TERRIBLE for The Serbians Enemies.


Arn.Sweden.

Avni

pre 6 godina

Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now NOR in the future:

Kovačević: Nema Srbija decu za novi rat, bio bi nam kraj http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=27&nav_category=11&nav_id=1287059

icj1

pre 6 godina

Yes, there is no rush. We can wait
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 11:01)

It is in Serbia's interest to wait
(Ari Gold, 27 July 2017 15:32)

In another 500 years, seeing how Albanians are either planning to escape "Kosova"*** or join ISIS, I'd say there won't be many left.
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 15:15)

It looks like there is finally something that Zoran, Ari Gold and Kosovo agree about... namely, that Serbia should wait for 500 years. But in the blessed year 2517, Zoran will raise from his/her tomb to celebrate the victory lol

Zoran

pre 6 godina

It`s interesting te read the comments on Srpski section about these Milosevic`s lapdog "analysts" and their Milosevic`s era midset.
(Free, 27 July 2017 14:09)
--
What a load of BS. Opinion polls have consistently said no recognition of Kosovo, even if it is a condition for EU membership. Check -> https://inserbia.info/today/2016/07/serbia-people-against-nato-and-kosovo-recognition-poll-says


In another 500 years, seeing how Albanians are either planning to escape "Kosova"*** or join ISIS, I'd say there won't be many left. They will be demanding independence in Swiss canton...LOL!

the truth

pre 6 godina

Serbs were buddying up with the Turks in the 1400s, Serbia and Greece were already independent states when pro-Porte Albanians participated in crushing the League of Prizren in the late 1800s. Albania didn't even become a country until 35 years later when Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians nearly expelled the Turk out of Europe.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 July 2017 16:59) # Comment link

Can you provide us all, with map of independent serbia in 1400? I am just curious how big of state was serbia !!!
I know it, just looking for an honest answer and/or explanation.

Reader

pre 6 godina

With the current Serbian population decrease trends, I agree. In 50-100 years time, Serbia will be a land without Serbs and the issue will solve itself.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Can you provide us all, with map of independent serbia in 1400? I am just curious how big of state was serbia !!!
(the truth, 27 July 2017 18:06)

Oh dear, you seem to have brain-farted when reading my comment. Keep reading until you can figure it out.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 6 godina

"Most Albanians in Kosovo would easily give up on trying to control the north and the rest of the Serbian enclaves if it meant greater ability to travel" -BA

Wrong.


"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"
Serbia can't do anything. Belgrade is set to lose millions if not billions of more EUR on crony ministries and propping illegal institutions all at the expense of the ordinary Serbian citizen. Did we mention that Kosovo's population size is on the rise while Serbia is losing a good 30,000- 50,000 every year?


Sincerely,

DoctorMe

pre 6 godina

It's all up to Serbian people. Greed should never cloud their judgment, they should never give Kosovo away! What will they get, door to EU, and what does that mean to the individual, average serb: cleaning toilets somewhere in Germany or France for three months (not speaking the language, not having their education and no work experience, cleaning will be all they can find in the west, at the best) and after three months they will get sick of it, return home and say never again!!! This is reality people! Meanwhile when you return, Serbia won't be Serbia anymore, but a sold soul. And it will be felt everywhere. So don't sell your soul. Wait. Hard times make people stronger, it's not easy but you will endure. Forget the false promises, stick to family values, do not give Kosovo. Good things WILL come your way!

The Count of Kosova

pre 6 godina

Prorokovic points out:

In the long-term, Serbia would remain closed inside the West Bank construct, where out of six states Albanians would have three votes, and where it could do nothing without excessive appreciation of Albanian interests.

...........

This Porokovic is not much of a political analyst. He first states that it is in Serbia's long term best interest to wait but, he then goes on to say that if Serbia does wait, Albanians will have three of six votes and Serbia will find itself fenced in like the West Bank.
With a political analyst such as Porokovic, it is no wonder Serbia is in such a sorry state!

pollster

pre 6 godina

--
I read the opinions and it's not what you say. Sure there are some but look at the votes, many more "poor comment" than "recommend".

However, the polls have been consistent, no recognition of Kosovo even if it's a condition for EU membership. Now that is more accurate than the opinions of some on B92, for all we know, they could be Albanian, Croatian, etc.... Just like Albanians write in the English section pretending to be Serbs.
(Zoran

The polls had Clinton beating Trump. We know how that turned out.

Independent Get Over It.

pre 6 godina

Kosovo is an independent country and both Serbia and Albania have no claim to Kosovo so you can wait till the end of the world, but that still won't change things. It's down to the citizens of Kosovo regardless of ethnicity to build their own country. I'm also for all Albanians, Serbs and Bosniaks who fled Kosovo during the war to return back to their homes. The days of war and threats are gone. The Balkans has bigger threats on the horizon, and need cooperation not separation between the different respective nations.

Independent Get Over It.

pre 6 godina

Kosovo is an independent country and both Serbia and Albania have no claim to Kosovo so you can wait till the end of the world, but that still won't change things. It's down to the citizens of Kosovo regardless of ethnicity to build their own country. I'm also for all Albanians, Serbs and Bosniaks who fled Kosovo during the war to return back to their homes. The days of war and threats are gone. The Balkans has bigger threats on the horizon, and need cooperation not separation between the different respective nations.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The polls had Clinton beating Trump. We know how that turned out.
(pollster, 27 July 2017 18:14)
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Not surprising considering it came from the fake news press and manipulated by the establishment. I was responding to Free, who was trying to make a point about some posts in the Serbian section. Somehow I think I poll has more weight than a few comments here.

factman

pre 6 godina

There is no compelling reason for Serbia to join NATO or the EU

There is no compelling reason for Serbia to recognize K.

And so it will continue as a frozen conflict.

Does anyone on this forum rally think that we wont be having this same discussion in 50 years?

Free

pre 6 godina

There is this "self-consolation" thing in Serbia: Serbia will never recognise Kosovo.
Who is asking for Serbia to recognise Kosovo? Thaci? Of course, that`s his job. But who else?

Kosovo has two major objectives: UN seat and bilateral agreements about technical problems with Serbia.

UN seat is something that neither Kosovo nor Serbia can do anything. It`s US and Russia call. And i won`t be so surprised if someday Russia and US will reach an agreement let`s say "Kosovo for Crimea". Putin already has stressed that several times.

About Kosovo-Serbia bilateral agreements, yes Serbia can give Kosovo a hard time if Serbia chooses "frozen conflict" option. But that will mean the same for K-Serbs. Which mean more Serbs will leave Kosovo for a better life in southern Serbia. And then Serbia will cry about "Serbs being forced to leave Kosovo" and the answer will be "That`s what happens when you don`t have agreements".

Guest Human

pre 6 godina

You took Kosovo from the Byzantine Albanians, then lost it to the Turks, who then lost it to the Albanians, who then lost it again to the Serbian, Montenegrin, Greek and Bulgarian coalitions with most of their other lands, however you then lost it again to NATO. Kosovo seems to have been passed around more times between Albanians and Serbs than a cheap h00ka loooooooooooool. I'm sure extra terrestrials will be the next beings to take Kosovo from you lot. Neither of you deserve Kosovo, since all you'll do is lose it again.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 6 godina

Like any ordinary con man crook, they want to put pressure for a most urgent action that will be in favor of the thief !!!

USA now acting fast with their man Vucic in power ! Vucic does not own Serbian Sveto Kosovo, Vucic can not give away what is not his ! USA is a big shit that was born only a couple of hundred years ago but wants to re write all world history ! Srpsko Sveto Kosovo was paid for in blood, sweat and tears by our Serbian ancestors many ages ago ! So shame on all those Serbian people who think that by giving away Serbian Kosovo to Albanian Islamic terrorist to please the USA ! If Serbian Kosovo is given away to Albanian Islamic terrorist then for sure Srbija will cease to exist, extinction of all Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans !!!

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Exactly, time is on our side. There was a point where time worked against us but that has long past. We were bombed, humiliated and demonised but we fought on. Now the EU/US made a complete mess of the region and realise their options are running out. Every day we get Albanians here begging for recognition. After everything we went through, you think we are just going to give up? We are getting stronger, not weaker.

They thought they could defeat us militarily but failed. They thought they could force it through the UN but failed. They then took it upon themselves and split the EU/NATO and the world. The EU then agreed to status neutral negotiations, the first big sign of giving up. The EU is now a mess, the Western alliance is falling apart while our friends are getting stronger and more united.

Yes, there is no rush. We can wait while the other side continue to make a bigger mess.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 6 godina

I Quote -

"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"

Comment - Yes-Yes-and Yes . very Vise !.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vidovdan&view=detail&mid=1762094608582D4796CB1762094608582D4796CB&FORM=VIRE

-Time will let it be and come to fullfillment.

The Fullfillment will be TERRIBLE for The Serbians Enemies.


Arn.Sweden.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

It is in Serbia's interest to wait it out because time is on Serbia's side. During "independent kosovo", several hundred thousand Albanians have left due to poor living conditions. NATO for its part will start to become fatigue over this issue and will increasingly seek Serbia's role in a permanent solution. Just wait.

Free

pre 6 godina

It`s interesting te read the comments on Srpski section about these Milosevic`s lapdog "analysts" and their Milosevic`s era midset. Serbs actually living in Serbia are becoming more and more conscious about the reality in the region. They realise Kosovo is gone and it was Serbia`s fault.

But it is also funny to read Serbian "patriots" writing from US, Canada, Northern Europe or "analysts" writing from Moscow "We lost Kosovo back in 1389 but we got it back. We just have to wait".

Yeah, you got back Kosovo and 2 million Albanians. Just wait 500 more years and you`ll have Albanian majority in Kragujevac and Musliu`s grand-grand-grandson head of Albanian National Council in Belgrade, especially when you see the birth rates in Serbia.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

It`s interesting te read the comments on Srpski section about these Milosevic`s lapdog "analysts" and their Milosevic`s era midset.
(Free, 27 July 2017 14:09)
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What a load of BS. Opinion polls have consistently said no recognition of Kosovo, even if it is a condition for EU membership. Check -> https://inserbia.info/today/2016/07/serbia-people-against-nato-and-kosovo-recognition-poll-says


In another 500 years, seeing how Albanians are either planning to escape "Kosova"*** or join ISIS, I'd say there won't be many left. They will be demanding independence in Swiss canton...LOL!

Free

pre 6 godina

What a load of BS. Opinion polls have consistently said no recognition of Kosovo, even if it is a condition for EU membership.
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 15:15)

Sorry to wake up from your opium dreams, but i`ve not made a poll. I`m saying what i read on Serb section of B92. I could also give you some studies that show how people in polls tend to "twist" their true opinions.

About ISIS, Switzerland etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB_people here you can read how Albanians DID immigrate for centuries. Arbereshet left Albania because of Ottoman reprisals after the fall of League of Lezhe. At that time Serbs were licking Ottomans` asses and giving their daughters for Turkish harems.

But still there were enough Albanians who remained in their lands. You claim Kosovo was your "cradle" but you abandoned it. We do immigrate but we don`t abandon our lands!

Zoran

pre 6 godina

Sorry to wake up from your opium dreams, but i`ve not made a poll. I`m saying what i read on Serb section of B92. I could also give you some studies that show how people in polls tend to "twist" their true opinions.
(Free, 27 July 2017 15:52)
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I read the opinions and it's not what you say. Sure there are some but look at the votes, many more "poor comment" than "recommend".

However, the polls have been consistent, no recognition of Kosovo even if it's a condition for EU membership. Now that is more accurate than the opinions of some on B92, for all we know, they could be Albanian, Croatian, etc.... Just like Albanians write in the English section pretending to be Serbs.

Reader

pre 6 godina

With the current Serbian population decrease trends, I agree. In 50-100 years time, Serbia will be a land without Serbs and the issue will solve itself.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Can you provide us all, with map of independent serbia in 1400? I am just curious how big of state was serbia !!!
(the truth, 27 July 2017 18:06)

Oh dear, you seem to have brain-farted when reading my comment. Keep reading until you can figure it out.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 6 godina

"Most Albanians in Kosovo would easily give up on trying to control the north and the rest of the Serbian enclaves if it meant greater ability to travel" -BA

Wrong.


"Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now, and should wait"
Serbia can't do anything. Belgrade is set to lose millions if not billions of more EUR on crony ministries and propping illegal institutions all at the expense of the ordinary Serbian citizen. Did we mention that Kosovo's population size is on the rise while Serbia is losing a good 30,000- 50,000 every year?


Sincerely,

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Arbereshet left Albania because of Ottoman reprisals after the fall of League of Lezhe. At that time Serbs were licking Ottomans` asses and giving their daughters for Turkish harems.
(Free, 27 July 2017 15:52)

Every group in the Balkans has at least one moment when they stood as the defenders against an invading enemy only to subsequently become part of that invading enemy's front line infantry. There are two problems with these "last stand" narratives. The first is that they tend to believe their own group was the one and only defiant Balkan people. The second is that because they are "last stands", it implies they became integrated within the Ottoman system shortly afterwards.

Another thing to remember is that the earlier one group was conquered by the Ottomans, the earlier they rose up 400+ years later. So while Albanians might have been putting up the good fight within the League of Lezhe while the Serbs were buddying up with the Turks in the 1400s, Serbia and Greece were already independent states when pro-Porte Albanians participated in crushing the League of Prizren in the late 1800s. Albania didn't even become a country until 35 years later when Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians nearly expelled the Turk out of Europe.

Every group has their period of kicking, kissing, and eventually kicking out, Turkish ass. It's no good to chide the nationalism of the diaspora if you're going to sound like you're one of them.

the truth

pre 6 godina

Serbs were buddying up with the Turks in the 1400s, Serbia and Greece were already independent states when pro-Porte Albanians participated in crushing the League of Prizren in the late 1800s. Albania didn't even become a country until 35 years later when Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians nearly expelled the Turk out of Europe.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 27 July 2017 16:59) # Comment link

Can you provide us all, with map of independent serbia in 1400? I am just curious how big of state was serbia !!!
I know it, just looking for an honest answer and/or explanation.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 6 godina

Serbs actually living in Serbia are becoming more and more conscious about the reality in the region. They realise Kosovo is gone and it was Serbia`s fault.
(Free, 27 July 2017 14:09

Yes, the local mindset tends to be much more pragmatic and realistic in comparison to the keyboard warriors of the diaspora. But this applies to nearly everyone in the region. The greatest calls for Greater Anything comes from IP addresses in North America and Australia because they can afford to think ridiculous ideas from the safety and security of a developed state. Albanians in Kosovo are as realistic as Serbs in the rest of Serbia: their leaders screwed them all over, these leaders make a bunch of claims and promises no one believes, and every ordinary person just wants a chance at a normal life. Most Albanians in Kosovo would easily give up on trying to control the north and the rest of the Serbian enclaves if it meant greater ability to travel, or because local politicians could then focus on economic investment and job growth. If given the opportunity for visa-free travel and prospects of good paying jobs in the rest of Europe, Serbia, along with Kosovo, would empty out in three months. Nationalism is only used by people who need votes or who have no ties to the region.

Avni

pre 6 godina

Serbia can't do much about Kosovo now NOR in the future:

Kovačević: Nema Srbija decu za novi rat, bio bi nam kraj http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=27&nav_category=11&nav_id=1287059

DoctorMe

pre 6 godina

It's all up to Serbian people. Greed should never cloud their judgment, they should never give Kosovo away! What will they get, door to EU, and what does that mean to the individual, average serb: cleaning toilets somewhere in Germany or France for three months (not speaking the language, not having their education and no work experience, cleaning will be all they can find in the west, at the best) and after three months they will get sick of it, return home and say never again!!! This is reality people! Meanwhile when you return, Serbia won't be Serbia anymore, but a sold soul. And it will be felt everywhere. So don't sell your soul. Wait. Hard times make people stronger, it's not easy but you will endure. Forget the false promises, stick to family values, do not give Kosovo. Good things WILL come your way!

Zoran

pre 6 godina

The polls had Clinton beating Trump. We know how that turned out.
(pollster, 27 July 2017 18:14)
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Not surprising considering it came from the fake news press and manipulated by the establishment. I was responding to Free, who was trying to make a point about some posts in the Serbian section. Somehow I think I poll has more weight than a few comments here.

pollster

pre 6 godina

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I read the opinions and it's not what you say. Sure there are some but look at the votes, many more "poor comment" than "recommend".

However, the polls have been consistent, no recognition of Kosovo even if it's a condition for EU membership. Now that is more accurate than the opinions of some on B92, for all we know, they could be Albanian, Croatian, etc.... Just like Albanians write in the English section pretending to be Serbs.
(Zoran

The polls had Clinton beating Trump. We know how that turned out.

Independent Get Over It.

pre 6 godina

Kosovo is an independent country and both Serbia and Albania have no claim to Kosovo so you can wait till the end of the world, but that still won't change things. It's down to the citizens of Kosovo regardless of ethnicity to build their own country. I'm also for all Albanians, Serbs and Bosniaks who fled Kosovo during the war to return back to their homes. The days of war and threats are gone. The Balkans has bigger threats on the horizon, and need cooperation not separation between the different respective nations.

Independent Get Over It.

pre 6 godina

Kosovo is an independent country and both Serbia and Albania have no claim to Kosovo so you can wait till the end of the world, but that still won't change things. It's down to the citizens of Kosovo regardless of ethnicity to build their own country. I'm also for all Albanians, Serbs and Bosniaks who fled Kosovo during the war to return back to their homes. The days of war and threats are gone. The Balkans has bigger threats on the horizon, and need cooperation not separation between the different respective nations.

factman

pre 6 godina

There is no compelling reason for Serbia to join NATO or the EU

There is no compelling reason for Serbia to recognize K.

And so it will continue as a frozen conflict.

Does anyone on this forum rally think that we wont be having this same discussion in 50 years?

Free

pre 6 godina

There is this "self-consolation" thing in Serbia: Serbia will never recognise Kosovo.
Who is asking for Serbia to recognise Kosovo? Thaci? Of course, that`s his job. But who else?

Kosovo has two major objectives: UN seat and bilateral agreements about technical problems with Serbia.

UN seat is something that neither Kosovo nor Serbia can do anything. It`s US and Russia call. And i won`t be so surprised if someday Russia and US will reach an agreement let`s say "Kosovo for Crimea". Putin already has stressed that several times.

About Kosovo-Serbia bilateral agreements, yes Serbia can give Kosovo a hard time if Serbia chooses "frozen conflict" option. But that will mean the same for K-Serbs. Which mean more Serbs will leave Kosovo for a better life in southern Serbia. And then Serbia will cry about "Serbs being forced to leave Kosovo" and the answer will be "That`s what happens when you don`t have agreements".

The Count of Kosova

pre 6 godina

Prorokovic points out:

In the long-term, Serbia would remain closed inside the West Bank construct, where out of six states Albanians would have three votes, and where it could do nothing without excessive appreciation of Albanian interests.

...........

This Porokovic is not much of a political analyst. He first states that it is in Serbia's long term best interest to wait but, he then goes on to say that if Serbia does wait, Albanians will have three of six votes and Serbia will find itself fenced in like the West Bank.
With a political analyst such as Porokovic, it is no wonder Serbia is in such a sorry state!

icj1

pre 6 godina

Yes, there is no rush. We can wait
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 11:01)

It is in Serbia's interest to wait
(Ari Gold, 27 July 2017 15:32)

In another 500 years, seeing how Albanians are either planning to escape "Kosova"*** or join ISIS, I'd say there won't be many left.
(Zoran, 27 July 2017 15:15)

It looks like there is finally something that Zoran, Ari Gold and Kosovo agree about... namely, that Serbia should wait for 500 years. But in the blessed year 2517, Zoran will raise from his/her tomb to celebrate the victory lol

Guest Human

pre 6 godina

You took Kosovo from the Byzantine Albanians, then lost it to the Turks, who then lost it to the Albanians, who then lost it again to the Serbian, Montenegrin, Greek and Bulgarian coalitions with most of their other lands, however you then lost it again to NATO. Kosovo seems to have been passed around more times between Albanians and Serbs than a cheap h00ka loooooooooooool. I'm sure extra terrestrials will be the next beings to take Kosovo from you lot. Neither of you deserve Kosovo, since all you'll do is lose it again.