FM wants status of Russian-Serbian Center "solved"

Staff at the centre should hold the same status and privileges as consular or embassy staff. If NATO or the EU do not like it then they know where they can go. Permanently.

Look at these angry Albanians... it's pretty sad to be honest. Every article that I read, I see a Albanian saying "uh look at Serbia so silly hahaha am I right guys" Like seriously guys come on. Don't you have anything better to do? And secondly why are you even on a Serbian news site don't you have any sites of your own?

Come on dacic, stop spinning this whole thing and tell the truth!

You know very well that the center sits on territory occupied by radical-Serbia for some things me now, and it does not rightfully belong to serbia!!!

So please spear us all the bullish..& shut the useless center down already so that we can get down to business!

Why the russians firefighters needs immunity..? This move will make serbia officialy russian colony.

@peter the Rocky Mountain- and what "business" are you waiting to get down to?
And why are some simple "firefighters" stopping you?

From Albania

"Why the russians firefighters need immunity..?"

It's true that souvereign, neutral country should be very careful to whom it gives immunity (and impunity from their deeds). I'm not at ease with such ideas at all, and don't think Serbia should do it.

Dwight.

"I agree, if they are here as diplomats or for military operations it would be different. "

Diplomats, yes. Military? Where is that normal?

Serbian soldiers exercise in other countries, and troops from other contries come to Serbia for military drills, anti-terrorist exercises, etc.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=11&dd=09&nav_id=95983

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=02&nav_id=99582

Never immunity was given to them in any country, or to any of the foreign troops coming to Serbia.

Why would then need it?
Come and do what you are here for, and everything is fine.
Agreement with NATO members signed in 2015 gives NATO members immunity in Serbia.
It's a game changer.
Now you can come and do not what you are here for, but whatever you want with impunity.
Those agreements are dangerous for the country. This one shouldn't be signed, and agreement with NATO should be revoked at earliest date possible.

Why the russians firefighters needs immunity..? This move will make serbia officialy russian colony.
(from Albania, 5 May 2017 14:13)

I agree, if they are here as diplomats or for military operations it would be different.
It has been said several times that they are not doing military or diplomatic work, no spying or state secrets, just humanitarian work.

It is obviously there to be a thorn in the side of NATO and radical Albanians so just to annoy them even more, give those Ruskies immunity.

Which Serbian news site are you referring to, dear?!(icj1, 06. maj 2017 01:17)I'm referring to B92...

And secondly why are you even on a Serbian news site don't you have any sites of your own?
(a normal person, 5 May 2017 22:50)

Which Serbian news site are you referring to, dear?!

And secondly why are you even on a Serbian news site don't you have any sites of your own?
(a normal person, 5 May 2017 22:50)

Which Serbian news site are you referring to, dear?!
(icj1, 6 May 2017 01:17)

I'm referring to B92...
(a normal person, 6 May 2017 20:28)

B92 is a company, not a site!

So to help you a bit, are you referring to the Serbian news site www.b92.net/info or the English news site www.b92.net/eng ?

Website can have national identities .. there are no borders on the internet .. Serbia and Albania should just kiss an make up and take care of their real problems like unemployment, poverty, crime, etc .. We need to move forward or we're all doomed ..

(Sreten, 5 May 2017 20:52)
I disagree and agree with some of what you say.

NATO and Russian soldiers stationed abroad in military bases or temporarily in a foreign country for exercises are granted similar "immunity" under very specific SOFA agreements.
I don't know if Russian troops here on recent exercises have similar immunity, and if not, they should be given the same immunity as NATO troops.
The humanitarian center is different.
1/ Military/Diplomatic v Civilian. The soldiers are not attending military events and the center is not a military base or diplomatic building.
2/ Temporary v Permanent ....The center is also a permanent office, unlike the temporary exercises with NATO.

Giving them immunity would be a backdoor way of upgrading the center to a military building. Is it a Russian military base now?
What if Russia brings in 50 more soldiers or dual purpose vehicles and equipment?
Russia is in a low level conflict with the EU and is under sanction after the invasion of Ukraine. What happens when Serbia joins the EU?


A Russian presence will make neighbors very uneasy. All countries should be trying to get foreign soldiers out of the area, not in.

Even more extreme...what about a Macedonian situation with a split government or conflict in Kosovo and the Russians import water cannon trucks for "fire-fighting", or "humanitarian trucks" for Kosovo Serbs that cannot be searched under diplomatic laws. (yes I know the same can be said of NATO)

Dwight.
I understand your point of view. Issue is not only this centre in Nish.
It's also agreement signed with NATO in 2015. Many critics of government in Serbia, with pro-Russian leaning, argue the same as Dacic.

"
An agreement with NATO members and other Partnership for Peace participants, confirmed in the Serbian Assembly in 2015, contains similar formulations, while NATO's Military Office essentially enjoys diplomatic immunity, Dacic said.

"What, then, is the problem with the center in Nis, which is not even military but civilian and humanitarian, and joint Serbian-Russian?"

In their view, granting status to civilian and humanitarian centre is not the same as giving this status to military offices and personnel.
They argue the same things as you do, and say the same thing as you do - Forget Centre! Serbia has to sign same agreement with Collective Security Treaty Organization (Russia, Belarus,etc.)as it did with NATO.
They do have a point, as you do...still, I would rather revoke existing agreement with NATO. And, after all this way none of our neighbors would feel nervous about it.

Wallace

Forget about it. Will never happen. And we dont want to have anything to do with shkije!

Come on dacic, stop spinning this whole thing and tell the truth!

You know very well that the center sits on territory occupied by radical-Serbia for some things me now, and it does not rightfully belong to serbia!!!

So please spear us all the bullish..& shut the useless center down already so that we can get down to business!

Why the russians firefighters needs immunity..? This move will make serbia officialy russian colony.

It is obviously there to be a thorn in the side of NATO and radical Albanians so just to annoy them even more, give those Ruskies immunity.

From Albania

"Why the russians firefighters need immunity..?"

It's true that souvereign, neutral country should be very careful to whom it gives immunity (and impunity from their deeds). I'm not at ease with such ideas at all, and don't think Serbia should do it.

Dwight.

"I agree, if they are here as diplomats or for military operations it would be different. "

Diplomats, yes. Military? Where is that normal?

Serbian soldiers exercise in other countries, and troops from other contries come to Serbia for military drills, anti-terrorist exercises, etc.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=11&dd=09&nav_id=95983

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=02&nav_id=99582

Never immunity was given to them in any country, or to any of the foreign troops coming to Serbia.

Why would then need it?
Come and do what you are here for, and everything is fine.
Agreement with NATO members signed in 2015 gives NATO members immunity in Serbia.
It's a game changer.
Now you can come and do not what you are here for, but whatever you want with impunity.
Those agreements are dangerous for the country. This one shouldn't be signed, and agreement with NATO should be revoked at earliest date possible.

@peter the Rocky Mountain- and what "business" are you waiting to get down to?
And why are some simple "firefighters" stopping you?

Staff at the centre should hold the same status and privileges as consular or embassy staff. If NATO or the EU do not like it then they know where they can go. Permanently.

Look at these angry Albanians... it's pretty sad to be honest. Every article that I read, I see a Albanian saying "uh look at Serbia so silly hahaha am I right guys" Like seriously guys come on. Don't you have anything better to do? And secondly why are you even on a Serbian news site don't you have any sites of your own?

Why the russians firefighters needs immunity..? This move will make serbia officialy russian colony.
(from Albania, 5 May 2017 14:13)

I agree, if they are here as diplomats or for military operations it would be different.
It has been said several times that they are not doing military or diplomatic work, no spying or state secrets, just humanitarian work.

And secondly why are you even on a Serbian news site don't you have any sites of your own?
(a normal person, 5 May 2017 22:50)

Which Serbian news site are you referring to, dear?!

Which Serbian news site are you referring to, dear?!(icj1, 06. maj 2017 01:17)I'm referring to B92...

And secondly why are you even on a Serbian news site don't you have any sites of your own?
(a normal person, 5 May 2017 22:50)

Which Serbian news site are you referring to, dear?!
(icj1, 6 May 2017 01:17)

I'm referring to B92...
(a normal person, 6 May 2017 20:28)

B92 is a company, not a site!

So to help you a bit, are you referring to the Serbian news site www.b92.net/info or the English news site www.b92.net/eng ?

Website can have national identities .. there are no borders on the internet .. Serbia and Albania should just kiss an make up and take care of their real problems like unemployment, poverty, crime, etc .. We need to move forward or we're all doomed ..

(Sreten, 5 May 2017 20:52)
I disagree and agree with some of what you say.

NATO and Russian soldiers stationed abroad in military bases or temporarily in a foreign country for exercises are granted similar "immunity" under very specific SOFA agreements.
I don't know if Russian troops here on recent exercises have similar immunity, and if not, they should be given the same immunity as NATO troops.
The humanitarian center is different.
1/ Military/Diplomatic v Civilian. The soldiers are not attending military events and the center is not a military base or diplomatic building.
2/ Temporary v Permanent ....The center is also a permanent office, unlike the temporary exercises with NATO.

Giving them immunity would be a backdoor way of upgrading the center to a military building. Is it a Russian military base now?
What if Russia brings in 50 more soldiers or dual purpose vehicles and equipment?
Russia is in a low level conflict with the EU and is under sanction after the invasion of Ukraine. What happens when Serbia joins the EU?


A Russian presence will make neighbors very uneasy. All countries should be trying to get foreign soldiers out of the area, not in.

Even more extreme...what about a Macedonian situation with a split government or conflict in Kosovo and the Russians import water cannon trucks for "fire-fighting", or "humanitarian trucks" for Kosovo Serbs that cannot be searched under diplomatic laws. (yes I know the same can be said of NATO)

Wallace

Forget about it. Will never happen. And we dont want to have anything to do with shkije!

Dwight.
I understand your point of view. Issue is not only this centre in Nish.
It's also agreement signed with NATO in 2015. Many critics of government in Serbia, with pro-Russian leaning, argue the same as Dacic.

"
An agreement with NATO members and other Partnership for Peace participants, confirmed in the Serbian Assembly in 2015, contains similar formulations, while NATO's Military Office essentially enjoys diplomatic immunity, Dacic said.

"What, then, is the problem with the center in Nis, which is not even military but civilian and humanitarian, and joint Serbian-Russian?"

In their view, granting status to civilian and humanitarian centre is not the same as giving this status to military offices and personnel.
They argue the same things as you do, and say the same thing as you do - Forget Centre! Serbia has to sign same agreement with Collective Security Treaty Organization (Russia, Belarus,etc.)as it did with NATO.
They do have a point, as you do...still, I would rather revoke existing agreement with NATO. And, after all this way none of our neighbors would feel nervous about it.