President "did not receive U.S. congressman's letter"

What a stupid suggestion!
There is nothing to exchanges.
All of Kosovo is Serbia. It was stolen by albanian terrorists and organ traffickers.

Unless of-course Rohrabacher was talking about exchanging parts of albania itself for parts of Kosovo?

@Sasa from somewhere in Serbia.

I'm a Croat who was expelled from the so called Krajina region in the 90's and I can tell you now ....that your kind is not welcome. Krajina is defunct, finished, blown to oblivion, never to exist again... Croatia will never ever lose an inch of territory again especially to you people. I suggest you never ever mention Krajina again.

This makes 0 sense. Fake state of 'kosovo*' has no control over the north, but Serbia has full control over the Valley. Besides, why would Serbia exchange territories with itself?

Another dumb-arse american opens his mouth and the only thing that comes out is s***. The question is whether this buffoon even knows where Kosovo is on a map? I recall poor old Ronald Reagan thought that Australia was wedged in between the Czech Republic and Slovenia.

Eko......if kosovo is kosovo why on every government building theirs Albanian flag. Albanians don't want kosovo they want greater Albania

Let me see if I understand. If I agree to give my neighbour my back garden, he will agree to let me keep my front garden. That’s the sort of deal the Americans gave to the native “American Indians.” We all know how that ended. By the way, I apologise to the native tribes of what we now call North America for calling them “American Indians.” Of course I know they are neither American nor Indian. But years of Hollywood propaganda have eliminated their culture, history and even the names of the original inhabitants of that unfortunate territory.

(Michael Thomas, 6 February 2017 12:57)

In this case the Albanians are the native, so yeah I agree with you . We the Albanians should not give an inch to anybody , and the Presheva Valley belongs to us to , that's why serbia it's ready to give it up

Relax everybody , it's fake news like serbias history . There was no letter from anybody . Is just a wish serbia has

"Kosovo is Serbia" you said it and it's done you internet warrior😊 I very much doubt your intellect...Pozdravi!

In this case the Albanians are the native, so yeah I agree with you . We the Albanians should not give an inch to anybody , and the Presheva Valley belongs to us to , that's why serbia it's ready to give it up
(Ilyrian, 6 February 2017 13:35)

Happy to agree, but first you must provide evidence of what you Ilyrians have built in the last 100,000 years of occupation to validate that claim.

You guys are just your bros the Croats laying claim to everything in sight. But in the end its all piss and wind.

@ Kosovo is Serbia

1. Kosovo is not Serbia but Kosovo is Kosovo and belongs to Kosovars Albanians and Serbs.

2. Terrorissts and organ traffickers didn't still Kosovo, and Kosovo is not stolen from anyone. Kosovo always was Kosovo and always will be.

I think you are one of the bad boys and hater towards Albanians.

Albanians and Serbs will have to respect each other and leave together in peace, not only in Kosovo also in Serbia.
You bad boy please be positive and don't spread the hate because you have to leave with it and don't stres yourself.
You can come and meet me so I can give you very strong advice towards Albanians.
Have a nice day.

Why was that not offered in Krajina or Bosnia in the 90's , by USA first at the time ))).
I hear Alaska may be exchanged with Russia . How stupid are politicians in USA ,try to solve other people problems,but not there's.

I hear Alaska may be exchanged with Russia . How stupid are politicians in USA ,try to solve other people problems,but not there's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 6 February 2017 11:50

The United States purchased Alaska from the Russian Empire on March 30, 1867, for 7.2 million U.S. dollars at approximately two cents per acre ($4.74/km2). The area went through several administrative changes before becoming organized as a territory on May 11, 1912. It was admitted as the 49th state of the U.S. on January 3, 1959.[5]

First you must provide evidence of what you Illyrians....?
Sj

The person you ask to provide you with evidence doesn't know how to spell his name let alone doing the rest.
There're two answers to your question.Bearing in mind that Illyrians accomplished sweet FA during their existence one can conclude they were either a bunch of idiots or they didnt exist.I think the first answer is plausible and albanians have better look at turkey or caucasus to find their roots.

@Kosovo is Serbia

1. Kosovo is Kosovo not Serbia
2. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars Albanians and Serbs.
3. Kosovo always was Kosovo and always will be.
You are a bad racist and hater towards Albanians. Albanians and Serbs have to leave together in peace not only in Kosovo also in Serbia. And you bad boy and racist please don't spread the hates.
Come and meet me and I will give you a strong advice and you will enjoy your life once you have meat me.
Have a nice day

@Sasa from somewhere in Serbia.

I'm a Croat who was expelled from the so called Krajina region in the 90's and I can tell you now ....that your kind is not welcome. Krajina is defunct, finished, blown to oblivion, never to exist again... Croatia will never ever lose an inch of territory again especially to you people. I suggest you never ever mention Krajina again.
(Japo, 6 February 2017 12:34)

To Jason ,
I did not say Krajina belongs to Serbia ))), read properly and you would understand ,many Serbs and Croats that have lost family members in the War ,would have preferred a bargaining solution and have their son,brother ,father or grandson life today ,then what they have.
Sorry,you can not read properly )))
EVERYONE IS A LOSER IN A WAR )))

Illyrian

Even a modern pseudo-illyrian could've checked with wikipedia and see that Apollonia,Dyrrachium were ancient Greek cities.

The person you ask to provide you with evidence doesn't know how to spell his name let alone doing the rest.
There're two answers to your question.Bearing in mind that Illyrians accomplished sweet FA during their existence one can conclude they were either a bunch of idiots or they didnt exist.I think the first answer is plausible and albanians have better look at turkey or caucasus to find their roots.
(andrew, 6 February 2017 16:27)

These guys are off with the pixies as they make ludicrous claims that are not substantiated by any credible documentation. This what happens when you are bereft of history and have to steal it from somewhere.
The Albanians have not left anything that proves their claim of occupation in the region. Not even a fountain. Can you imagine claiming to be there for a couple of thousand years and there is not even a cave painting. Naturally they came from Turkey.

(andrew, 6 February 2017 16:27)

Apolonia, Dursi, Shkodra, etc , or better answer is that i don't have to proof anything to you. The schools in the serbia already have some in their history books about some people being here upon your arrival on VII Century . And those people was us. And that's just the beginning . Soon they will admit about the real Autoghtounus

SJ

Typical serb propaganda. You have no evidence or proof whatsoever to your claims. Only serbian fairytales. Serbs have to be the most pathetic people on this planet.

Typical serb propaganda. You have no evidence or proof whatsoever to your claims. Only serbian fairytales. Serbs have to be the most pathetic people on this planet.
(Yulovo56, 7 February 2017 13:29)

Funny its all Serb propaganda but there is still no fountain or cave painting. You poor bastards you go around claiming cities that the Greeks and Romans built.

@ japo - "never" has no value in the Balkans! Doesn't history teach u anything? Things WILL change,,, in whose favor we don't know, but they WILL change,,, and when they do, good people from ALL sides get hurt! The only thing that "never" will change is that u can "never" say "never" in the Balkans!!!

(andrew, 6 February 2017 19:21)

Oops i didn't know I'm dealing with a special person. You are special. What about Queen Teuta? Anyway don't answer that my special friend, i know your answer should be in Wikipedia

Illyrian

One doesnt have to do research to establish your lies.Wikipedia will do..

@andrew: Apollonia was an ancient Greek city in Illyria(from wikipedia)-not colony.

From the same Wikipedia page:

"The site of Apollonia lay on the territory of the Taulantii, a cluster of Illyrian tribes that remained closely involved with the settlement for centuries and lived alongside the Greek colonists.[4] The city was said to have originally been named Gylakeia after its founder, Gylax,[5] but the name was later changed to honor the god Apollo."



@sj: "The Albanians have not left anything that proves their claim of occupation in the region. Not even a fountain."

Ignorance is not an argument. Read, learn and weep:

Kosova: http://www.mkrs-ks.org/repository/docs/drafti_i_guides_-anglisht_final.pdf

In Albania: http://www.mhk.gov.al/?portfolio=pavilion-of-antiquity&lang=en

There's thousands of Illyrian artifacts exposed in the museums of Kosova, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia as well I suspect, and there's plenty of archeological sites of Illyrian settlements, you could visit. But I also suspect, that you are not interested in *learning* and *knowledge*, rather than come up with childish one-liners, probably to make you feel better.

No, Albanians don't need evidence to prove their ancient connections; In fact, nobody in the world needs that evidence, since everybody has an ancient connection; As far as we know, no human today on earth had their ancestors descending from outer space.

What is also, well-known, accepted and evidenced is the fact that Serbian ancestors arrived in the Balkans somewhere in the 7-8th centuries; while there is no historical documentation/evidence that Albanians arrived from anywhere at least since the times of Ptolemy who documented the Albani as one of the Illyrian tribes, with their capital Albanopolis between Durres and Lezhe, modern day Albania.
Then, you have the Byzantine historian Michael Attaleiates to document the Albanians as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and as subjects of the duke of Durres.
It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots, while it does take a considerable amount of ingenuity to come up with alternative theories, which at the end have all proven wrong.

Andrew

Greek colonies not Greek cities.
A suppose you must know what a colony is.

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has icj1 been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings. Therefore, when he commands all should obey………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj1 has declared sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot. Sj now commands that icj1 should wear a human billboard stating that its an idiot.

Sj

You've got tones of patience man to deal with these albanian clowns.Albanians don't need evidence to prove their ancient cinnections,it's their god given right.

B69

Apollonia was an ancient Greek city in Illyria(from wikipedia)-not colony.

Andrew

What lies? who are you trying to convince?. Feels so great that there are no serbs left in Kosovo! Kicking them out was the right thing to do. Now people can live in peace and harmony. Serbs are NOT wanted. Go cry somewere else.

Do you know what a colony is?

B67

I am searching for an albanian dictionary to find its definition.When i do I 'll come back to you.

What are ypou doing here? Go back to Sydney gypsy

There's thousands of Illyrian artifacts exposed in the museums of Kosova, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia as well I suspect, and there's plenty of archeological sites of Illyrian settlements, you could visit. But I also suspect, that you are not interested in *learning* and *knowledge*, rather than come up with childish one-liners, probably to make you feel better.
(Aquarium Fisherman, 7 February 2017 16:47)

According to Mauro Orbini and many other sources Illyrians were a Slavic tribe. But of course if you mean the Slavic component in the Shqiptar happlogroups in this context you can talk about your Illyrian ancestors. But right now it reminnds me a Turkish saying SEN CHELEBI MEN CELEBI ATI KIM KASAR ? = YOU'RE A NOBLE, ME A NOBLE WHO WILL CLEAN THE HORSE ?

What are ypou doing here? Go back to Sydney gypsy
(Yulovo56, 7 February 2017 14:12)

Psst I’ll let you into a little secret. I am in Sydney. Have you ever heard of the Internet or maybe electricity? But what are you doing on a Serbian base media site?

you must provide evidence of what you Ilyrians have built in the last 100,000 years of occupation
(sj, 6 February 2017 14:02)

Since the CE of B92 forums sj has determined that Ilyrians have occupied the area for the last 100.000 years, there is no need for anybody to provide any further evidence. The determination by the CE of B92 forums sj is conclusive evidence :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Andrew

Read it again and slowly.

Do you know what a colony is?

Rote,

There's nothing particularly noble or not noble, being descended from Illyrians or the Slavs. People are people, they all descended from somewhere, and pretty much all nations at some point arrived from somewhere to somewhere else. Both Albanians and Serbs, have bright and dark moments in their history; it doesn't make present-day Albanians or Serbs inherently good or evil, based on where they come from.

Also, Albanians don't have to be particularly Slavs to have amicable relations with Russians for example. During their history, both nations have had moments of acrimonious as well as friendly relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Ukraine
Whereas Poles for example, even though clearly related to Russians, have had mostly acrimonious history with Russians.

Re. Mauro Orbini, that is a fringe theory that has not had traction by later scholars. I would suggest you read another Croatian historian, Alexandar Stipcevic.
Indisputably, Illyrians are mentioned in historical documents in western Balkans, many many centuries before the arrival of Slavs. Many Illyrian names of places and people can only be explained via modern Albanian and Albanian is very clearly not a Slavic language.

Regarding the Slavic haplogroups, I'm not a geneticist, but that would not be surprising considering that Slavs have been in the Balkans for 14 centuries.

Do you know what a colony is?

B67

I am searching for an albanian dictionary to find its definition.When i do I 'll come back to you.
(andrew, 7 February 2017 16:54)


Andrew colony was a foreign territory submitted to the White (Albanian) Horde. City of Kolomna gave name to this word as well as to the word COLUMN. Colomn still is the symbol of the city and it was here that the 12 tribes (columns) of the Israelites started their Reconquista in 1415. It lasted 40 years and finished in Santiago de Compostella, Spain. 2 out of 12 columns were formed in Judea (Turkey, Caucasus, Balkans) so the Shqiptars could quite be among the colonists. All 12 colomns were concentrated on the Balkans where they often conflicted before the war started. Dislocation of 9 such tribes/columns is known. All 12 colomns were called the Beli aka Albanians and so were the Serbs. That's why your capitol is still called City of the Beli ... Kolomna was then capitol of the Whites/Albanians and pareticularly of Dmitry Ivanovic Donskoy known in Serbia as Sultan Murat I and as Constantine I The Great ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomna#/media/File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Kolomna_(Moscow_oblast).png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomna#/media/File:Marinkina_Tower_of_Kolomna_Kremlin01.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Donskoy

"Sources at the Presidency said on Monday afternoon they were unaware of the existence of such a letter..."

"Earlier, another Belgrade-based daily, Blic, reported that U.S. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher..."

Daily Blic strikes again. Why is it that every time there is some fake news, Daily Blic is always the source?

Fisherman

I personally believe that all peoples of the Balkans are victims of the West. Of course Serbs suffered most and it cannot last long. Time to revice the current status quo is approaching so it's a dangerous time.

Russian mentallity was based on internationalism long before Marx and Lenin were born. All Orthodox people who lived like Russians were and are considered Russians. Muslims were all Tatars before 1917 and enjoyed all the rights. So you don't have to persuade me that some peoples are not bad because I already think so.

Of course my sympathies are on the Serbian side and so all the Russians feel. Not only because we are spiritually close peoples but because justice is the backbone of the Rus mentallity. Russians feel responsible for letting the West destroy USSR and Yugoslavia. I think Russia is the best mediator to restore peace on the Balkans.

Otherwise your relations will be spoiled for centuries. Just like Rus-Polish ones. Poles are genetic Russians but the Jesuits filled them with hatred. We have no such problems with the Shqiptars but you'll have to return part of Kosovo. In fact it's a saint land of the Serbs because they were part of the Rus Horde. So Kosovo is OUR land too. Hope Putin is aware of it.

Serbs and the Whites are rather close peoples that had no conflicts before 20 century. I back division of KIM and exchange of the lands between Albania and Serbia coz you both do not need such unloyal citizens.

What a stupid suggestion!
There is nothing to exchanges.
All of Kosovo is Serbia. It was stolen by albanian terrorists and organ traffickers.

Unless of-course Rohrabacher was talking about exchanging parts of albania itself for parts of Kosovo?

Relax everybody , it's fake news like serbias history . There was no letter from anybody . Is just a wish serbia has

@Sasa from somewhere in Serbia.

I'm a Croat who was expelled from the so called Krajina region in the 90's and I can tell you now ....that your kind is not welcome. Krajina is defunct, finished, blown to oblivion, never to exist again... Croatia will never ever lose an inch of territory again especially to you people. I suggest you never ever mention Krajina again.

@Kosovo is Serbia

1. Kosovo is Kosovo not Serbia
2. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars Albanians and Serbs.
3. Kosovo always was Kosovo and always will be.
You are a bad racist and hater towards Albanians. Albanians and Serbs have to leave together in peace not only in Kosovo also in Serbia. And you bad boy and racist please don't spread the hates.
Come and meet me and I will give you a strong advice and you will enjoy your life once you have meat me.
Have a nice day

Another dumb-arse american opens his mouth and the only thing that comes out is s***. The question is whether this buffoon even knows where Kosovo is on a map? I recall poor old Ronald Reagan thought that Australia was wedged in between the Czech Republic and Slovenia.

Why was that not offered in Krajina or Bosnia in the 90's , by USA first at the time ))).
I hear Alaska may be exchanged with Russia . How stupid are politicians in USA ,try to solve other people problems,but not there's.

(Michael Thomas, 6 February 2017 12:57)

In this case the Albanians are the native, so yeah I agree with you . We the Albanians should not give an inch to anybody , and the Presheva Valley belongs to us to , that's why serbia it's ready to give it up

@ Kosovo is Serbia

1. Kosovo is not Serbia but Kosovo is Kosovo and belongs to Kosovars Albanians and Serbs.

2. Terrorissts and organ traffickers didn't still Kosovo, and Kosovo is not stolen from anyone. Kosovo always was Kosovo and always will be.

I think you are one of the bad boys and hater towards Albanians.

Albanians and Serbs will have to respect each other and leave together in peace, not only in Kosovo also in Serbia.
You bad boy please be positive and don't spread the hate because you have to leave with it and don't stres yourself.
You can come and meet me so I can give you very strong advice towards Albanians.
Have a nice day.

"Kosovo is Serbia" you said it and it's done you internet warrior😊 I very much doubt your intellect...Pozdravi!

In this case the Albanians are the native, so yeah I agree with you . We the Albanians should not give an inch to anybody , and the Presheva Valley belongs to us to , that's why serbia it's ready to give it up
(Ilyrian, 6 February 2017 13:35)

Happy to agree, but first you must provide evidence of what you Ilyrians have built in the last 100,000 years of occupation to validate that claim.

You guys are just your bros the Croats laying claim to everything in sight. But in the end its all piss and wind.

This makes 0 sense. Fake state of 'kosovo*' has no control over the north, but Serbia has full control over the Valley. Besides, why would Serbia exchange territories with itself?

@Sasa from somewhere in Serbia.

I'm a Croat who was expelled from the so called Krajina region in the 90's and I can tell you now ....that your kind is not welcome. Krajina is defunct, finished, blown to oblivion, never to exist again... Croatia will never ever lose an inch of territory again especially to you people. I suggest you never ever mention Krajina again.
(Japo, 6 February 2017 12:34)

To Jason ,
I did not say Krajina belongs to Serbia ))), read properly and you would understand ,many Serbs and Croats that have lost family members in the War ,would have preferred a bargaining solution and have their son,brother ,father or grandson life today ,then what they have.
Sorry,you can not read properly )))
EVERYONE IS A LOSER IN A WAR )))

(andrew, 6 February 2017 16:27)

Apolonia, Dursi, Shkodra, etc , or better answer is that i don't have to proof anything to you. The schools in the serbia already have some in their history books about some people being here upon your arrival on VII Century . And those people was us. And that's just the beginning . Soon they will admit about the real Autoghtounus

Andrew

What lies? who are you trying to convince?. Feels so great that there are no serbs left in Kosovo! Kicking them out was the right thing to do. Now people can live in peace and harmony. Serbs are NOT wanted. Go cry somewere else.

Eko......if kosovo is kosovo why on every government building theirs Albanian flag. Albanians don't want kosovo they want greater Albania

First you must provide evidence of what you Illyrians....?
Sj

The person you ask to provide you with evidence doesn't know how to spell his name let alone doing the rest.
There're two answers to your question.Bearing in mind that Illyrians accomplished sweet FA during their existence one can conclude they were either a bunch of idiots or they didnt exist.I think the first answer is plausible and albanians have better look at turkey or caucasus to find their roots.

SJ

Typical serb propaganda. You have no evidence or proof whatsoever to your claims. Only serbian fairytales. Serbs have to be the most pathetic people on this planet.

Illyrian

Even a modern pseudo-illyrian could've checked with wikipedia and see that Apollonia,Dyrrachium were ancient Greek cities.

There's thousands of Illyrian artifacts exposed in the museums of Kosova, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia as well I suspect, and there's plenty of archeological sites of Illyrian settlements, you could visit. But I also suspect, that you are not interested in *learning* and *knowledge*, rather than come up with childish one-liners, probably to make you feel better.
(Aquarium Fisherman, 7 February 2017 16:47)

According to Mauro Orbini and many other sources Illyrians were a Slavic tribe. But of course if you mean the Slavic component in the Shqiptar happlogroups in this context you can talk about your Illyrian ancestors. But right now it reminnds me a Turkish saying SEN CHELEBI MEN CELEBI ATI KIM KASAR ? = YOU'RE A NOBLE, ME A NOBLE WHO WILL CLEAN THE HORSE ?

What are ypou doing here? Go back to Sydney gypsy

Sj

You've got tones of patience man to deal with these albanian clowns.Albanians don't need evidence to prove their ancient cinnections,it's their god given right.

(andrew, 6 February 2017 19:21)

Oops i didn't know I'm dealing with a special person. You are special. What about Queen Teuta? Anyway don't answer that my special friend, i know your answer should be in Wikipedia

Do you know what a colony is?

B67

I am searching for an albanian dictionary to find its definition.When i do I 'll come back to you.
(andrew, 7 February 2017 16:54)


Andrew colony was a foreign territory submitted to the White (Albanian) Horde. City of Kolomna gave name to this word as well as to the word COLUMN. Colomn still is the symbol of the city and it was here that the 12 tribes (columns) of the Israelites started their Reconquista in 1415. It lasted 40 years and finished in Santiago de Compostella, Spain. 2 out of 12 columns were formed in Judea (Turkey, Caucasus, Balkans) so the Shqiptars could quite be among the colonists. All 12 colomns were concentrated on the Balkans where they often conflicted before the war started. Dislocation of 9 such tribes/columns is known. All 12 colomns were called the Beli aka Albanians and so were the Serbs. That's why your capitol is still called City of the Beli ... Kolomna was then capitol of the Whites/Albanians and pareticularly of Dmitry Ivanovic Donskoy known in Serbia as Sultan Murat I and as Constantine I The Great ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomna#/media/File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Kolomna_(Moscow_oblast).png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomna#/media/File:Marinkina_Tower_of_Kolomna_Kremlin01.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Donskoy

Let me see if I understand. If I agree to give my neighbour my back garden, he will agree to let me keep my front garden. That’s the sort of deal the Americans gave to the native “American Indians.” We all know how that ended. By the way, I apologise to the native tribes of what we now call North America for calling them “American Indians.” Of course I know they are neither American nor Indian. But years of Hollywood propaganda have eliminated their culture, history and even the names of the original inhabitants of that unfortunate territory.

I hear Alaska may be exchanged with Russia . How stupid are politicians in USA ,try to solve other people problems,but not there's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 6 February 2017 11:50

The United States purchased Alaska from the Russian Empire on March 30, 1867, for 7.2 million U.S. dollars at approximately two cents per acre ($4.74/km2). The area went through several administrative changes before becoming organized as a territory on May 11, 1912. It was admitted as the 49th state of the U.S. on January 3, 1959.[5]

"Sources at the Presidency said on Monday afternoon they were unaware of the existence of such a letter..."

"Earlier, another Belgrade-based daily, Blic, reported that U.S. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher..."

Daily Blic strikes again. Why is it that every time there is some fake news, Daily Blic is always the source?

B69

Apollonia was an ancient Greek city in Illyria(from wikipedia)-not colony.

Illyrian

One doesnt have to do research to establish your lies.Wikipedia will do..

you must provide evidence of what you Ilyrians have built in the last 100,000 years of occupation
(sj, 6 February 2017 14:02)

Since the CE of B92 forums sj has determined that Ilyrians have occupied the area for the last 100.000 years, there is no need for anybody to provide any further evidence. The determination by the CE of B92 forums sj is conclusive evidence :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Andrew

Read it again and slowly.

Do you know what a colony is?

@andrew: Apollonia was an ancient Greek city in Illyria(from wikipedia)-not colony.

From the same Wikipedia page:

"The site of Apollonia lay on the territory of the Taulantii, a cluster of Illyrian tribes that remained closely involved with the settlement for centuries and lived alongside the Greek colonists.[4] The city was said to have originally been named Gylakeia after its founder, Gylax,[5] but the name was later changed to honor the god Apollo."



@sj: "The Albanians have not left anything that proves their claim of occupation in the region. Not even a fountain."

Ignorance is not an argument. Read, learn and weep:

Kosova: http://www.mkrs-ks.org/repository/docs/drafti_i_guides_-anglisht_final.pdf

In Albania: http://www.mhk.gov.al/?portfolio=pavilion-of-antiquity&lang=en

There's thousands of Illyrian artifacts exposed in the museums of Kosova, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia as well I suspect, and there's plenty of archeological sites of Illyrian settlements, you could visit. But I also suspect, that you are not interested in *learning* and *knowledge*, rather than come up with childish one-liners, probably to make you feel better.

Andrew

Greek colonies not Greek cities.
A suppose you must know what a colony is.

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has icj1 been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings. Therefore, when he commands all should obey………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj1 has declared sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot. Sj now commands that icj1 should wear a human billboard stating that its an idiot.

The person you ask to provide you with evidence doesn't know how to spell his name let alone doing the rest.
There're two answers to your question.Bearing in mind that Illyrians accomplished sweet FA during their existence one can conclude they were either a bunch of idiots or they didnt exist.I think the first answer is plausible and albanians have better look at turkey or caucasus to find their roots.
(andrew, 6 February 2017 16:27)

These guys are off with the pixies as they make ludicrous claims that are not substantiated by any credible documentation. This what happens when you are bereft of history and have to steal it from somewhere.
The Albanians have not left anything that proves their claim of occupation in the region. Not even a fountain. Can you imagine claiming to be there for a couple of thousand years and there is not even a cave painting. Naturally they came from Turkey.

Typical serb propaganda. You have no evidence or proof whatsoever to your claims. Only serbian fairytales. Serbs have to be the most pathetic people on this planet.
(Yulovo56, 7 February 2017 13:29)

Funny its all Serb propaganda but there is still no fountain or cave painting. You poor bastards you go around claiming cities that the Greeks and Romans built.

Do you know what a colony is?

B67

I am searching for an albanian dictionary to find its definition.When i do I 'll come back to you.

No, Albanians don't need evidence to prove their ancient connections; In fact, nobody in the world needs that evidence, since everybody has an ancient connection; As far as we know, no human today on earth had their ancestors descending from outer space.

What is also, well-known, accepted and evidenced is the fact that Serbian ancestors arrived in the Balkans somewhere in the 7-8th centuries; while there is no historical documentation/evidence that Albanians arrived from anywhere at least since the times of Ptolemy who documented the Albani as one of the Illyrian tribes, with their capital Albanopolis between Durres and Lezhe, modern day Albania.
Then, you have the Byzantine historian Michael Attaleiates to document the Albanians as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and as subjects of the duke of Durres.
It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots, while it does take a considerable amount of ingenuity to come up with alternative theories, which at the end have all proven wrong.

@ japo - "never" has no value in the Balkans! Doesn't history teach u anything? Things WILL change,,, in whose favor we don't know, but they WILL change,,, and when they do, good people from ALL sides get hurt! The only thing that "never" will change is that u can "never" say "never" in the Balkans!!!

What are ypou doing here? Go back to Sydney gypsy
(Yulovo56, 7 February 2017 14:12)

Psst I’ll let you into a little secret. I am in Sydney. Have you ever heard of the Internet or maybe electricity? But what are you doing on a Serbian base media site?

Rote,

There's nothing particularly noble or not noble, being descended from Illyrians or the Slavs. People are people, they all descended from somewhere, and pretty much all nations at some point arrived from somewhere to somewhere else. Both Albanians and Serbs, have bright and dark moments in their history; it doesn't make present-day Albanians or Serbs inherently good or evil, based on where they come from.

Also, Albanians don't have to be particularly Slavs to have amicable relations with Russians for example. During their history, both nations have had moments of acrimonious as well as friendly relations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Ukraine
Whereas Poles for example, even though clearly related to Russians, have had mostly acrimonious history with Russians.

Re. Mauro Orbini, that is a fringe theory that has not had traction by later scholars. I would suggest you read another Croatian historian, Alexandar Stipcevic.
Indisputably, Illyrians are mentioned in historical documents in western Balkans, many many centuries before the arrival of Slavs. Many Illyrian names of places and people can only be explained via modern Albanian and Albanian is very clearly not a Slavic language.

Regarding the Slavic haplogroups, I'm not a geneticist, but that would not be surprising considering that Slavs have been in the Balkans for 14 centuries.

Fisherman

I personally believe that all peoples of the Balkans are victims of the West. Of course Serbs suffered most and it cannot last long. Time to revice the current status quo is approaching so it's a dangerous time.

Russian mentallity was based on internationalism long before Marx and Lenin were born. All Orthodox people who lived like Russians were and are considered Russians. Muslims were all Tatars before 1917 and enjoyed all the rights. So you don't have to persuade me that some peoples are not bad because I already think so.

Of course my sympathies are on the Serbian side and so all the Russians feel. Not only because we are spiritually close peoples but because justice is the backbone of the Rus mentallity. Russians feel responsible for letting the West destroy USSR and Yugoslavia. I think Russia is the best mediator to restore peace on the Balkans.

Otherwise your relations will be spoiled for centuries. Just like Rus-Polish ones. Poles are genetic Russians but the Jesuits filled them with hatred. We have no such problems with the Shqiptars but you'll have to return part of Kosovo. In fact it's a saint land of the Serbs because they were part of the Rus Horde. So Kosovo is OUR land too. Hope Putin is aware of it.

Serbs and the Whites are rather close peoples that had no conflicts before 20 century. I back division of KIM and exchange of the lands between Albania and Serbia coz you both do not need such unloyal citizens.