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Friday, 03.02.2017.

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"Pristina uses dirty propaganda, but Serbs must remain calm"

In the dialogue with Pristina, Belgrade was brought to a situation to say "no" to one thing, in order to be blamed for everything, PM Aleksandar Vucic has said.

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rote

pre 7 godina

I've never heard about old believers in Islam though it would be natural if we consider how many times Islam was misinterpreted. Raskolnik aka Splitter in Russia is a bit different think. Because the text of Quran has never been changed since it was first printed in Europe in 16 century. Changes were made only in Sunnah and Tasfir. Meanwhile during Patriarch Nikon in 17 century the Romanovs made a severe attempt to change the ideology of Christianity as a whole. But the church did not let them do it. So when Nikon died Tsar Alexey Mikhailovic had to do the burial services by himself. Russian church has always been part of the state so they served not only to God but to the current royals ... That's the problem because several times they had to make heavy choices.

1/ When they served the so called Early Christians in 13-14 centuries.
2/ When they joined the Apostolic Christians (after 1370) of Prince Dmity-1 aka Constantine-1 aka Murat-1
3/ When they accepted the early (Russian) Romanovs as Tsars (after 1613)
4/ When they accepted the Germans as Romanovs in 1699
5/ When they admitted the Fanar Greek version of Christianity (called Jewish here) in 17-18 century
6/ When they imposed the Old testament (Nikolas-1 called it Jewish before forbidding) in 19-20 centuries.
7/ When they legalized elimination of the old believers in 18-19 centuries
8/ When they had to choose between the Nazi and the Bolsheviks ... ect.

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rote

pre 7 godina

END

I would say that the Russian church is a very good and even heroic church when we talk about 99% of the clergymen but it wasn't every time that the remaining 1% was making good choice. Today I can pray in any Russian church abroad or in Stari Obriad Church in Moscow. And I can cross myself with 2 or with 3 fingers. Official church does not mind it. But 20 years ago I was allowed to enter a Greek or any Orthodox church but never to a Russian abroad or "raskolnik" in Russia ... In fact Raskolnik was the official church ...

rote

pre 7 godina

I've started to place toponimals and other names concerning the white-albanians and i informed you ... but i placed the note on the same page where the lists are now ... so please go to

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100482

Concerning religion those are heavy questions ... Anyway before 17 century Islam was part of the Orthodox church. It wasn't created as a new religion but was a reaction to what the Protestants and later the Catholics and yet later the Greeks were doing to Christianity.

Even today Jesus/Isa is mentioned in Quran 27 times while Mohammad himself only 4 times. Why do you think they forbid translation of Quran to other languages? for the same reasons the Catholics forbade reading the Bible before 20-th century.

After the books were adopted to the new ideologies in Europe and the Ottoman Empire lots of questions began to arise. So in Europe one could not keep or even read the Bible without a priest by his side and even Royals feared the Inquisition. After 450 years and was ended only in 1960-th

That's why they prayed Latin that no woman has ever spoke. This language was invented in late 14 century by St. Stephan Stephan in Great Perm Princedom (Germany and the neighborhood) and he is most respected in Austria now. Initially it was designed for medicine so that doctors all over the Horde could understan one another. But later Latin was also used for religion, histiography and jurisdiction.

rote

pre 7 godina

No matter what Balkan peoples think Russia became part of the Protestants and Catholics since 1613 when the Romanovs came to power. (But in 19 century the Romanovs became Russians. ) So the sultans had to secure themselves and they introduced Quran as a separate religion better explaining the same things.

If you read the biographies of the Sultans you will find that only about Mehmet II they say that he was much interested in theology issues. Quite natural for the Prophet but it was Suleiman who formed the new laws of Shariat. That's why they call him Qanyni = Zakonnik. In fact Qanuni means Khan Uni = General Khan = Great Khan.

The long and the short of it is that both religions suffered the same diseases. If you have noticed Russia appeares in the Turkish history only in 17 century and so is Turkey/Ottomans in the Russian one. Strange isn't it? All because before that those were one empire so there could be no relations between them.

I try to delay answering your questions so one last thing for today. Why do you think the English chosed the Saudis as their partners after they defeated the Mamelukes in 1811 ? Because the ideology of the Wakhabis was what the Brits needed.

The Saudis divided the Muslims for the good and the bad ones. And they believed that one could take property, wives, children or even lives of the bad ones. Exactly what the Brits did in their colonies ... So they found one another.

rote

pre 7 godina

2.

In 14-18 centuries Caucasus and Small Asia (Turkey) were almost one. Caucasians were a priviledged group in the Ottoman Empire. In 18-19 centuries 17 out of 21 Pashas had Caucasian roots. See how many Caucasian toponymals still Turkey have. Most often they took part in the wars that the Kurd led against Persia. In two weeks they could reach almost any part of the empire.

When I was in Alanya the first time a local guide explained the toponymal after some Ali Mohammad that I laughed at. Because Caucasus was the stronghold of the Alans. When in 19 century the Caucasian Cherkess people had to run to Turkey the locals accepted them as gods.

Cossacks were the army of the Horde. Like word Albanian it had no ethnical meaning though some 80% of them had Slavic orygins. Using word Rusian is not correct before 19 century when this nation was formed.

Concerning J1 and J2 I wasn't interested much but I know that the two biggest Shqiptar groups have about 40-45% of this Semite happlogroup. It looks rather natural as Caucasus-Ukraine- Balkans- North Italy- France- Spain was the line where Slavs met and got mixed with the Semites. The biggest concentration of J1 and J2 I saw in Dagestan. I may be wrong although so one have to check it.

rote

pre 7 godina

1.

Of course there's sensorship in the web! Many Russian politicians are switched off in Facebook or Twitter. See what they write about Fomenko in Wikipedia! He is undermining the whole ideology of the western superiority where Europe and Greece are the only sources of progress.

In fact everything was quite the opposite. Europeans had no baths or normal toilets. French king was shitting into a hole on the 3 floor while noble French was doing the same on the second looking up not to receive the excriments on his head.

That's why the Silky way was so important. All insects feared natural silk and quite a few people in Europe could afford a silky pants to their wives to escape diseases. Because silk was a monopoly of the Horde so most Cossacks were dressed in it.

Industrial production of soap appeared only in 18 century so the French invented parfume to odor their smelling bodies. Ludovic-16 was bathing only twice in his life because the doctors insisted. All the rest of his life he used a special scraper to scrap off the dirt from his body like the rest of the French did. By the way he had Ossetian G2a happlogroup ...

In 14-18 centuries Caucasus and Small Asia (Turkey) were almost one. Caucasians were a priviledged group in the Ottoman Empire. In 18-19 centuries 17 out of 21 Pashas had Caucasian roots. See how many Caucasian toponymals still Turkey have.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Also Rote is there any spiritual need your church doesnt fullfill so that you want to become a raskolnik now? Look, Islam also has these "old believers" and I think they are those wahabi guys with their long beards and short pants who have flooded our mosques in these years. They believe they are the old believers and maybe they are right. Maybe Jihad is there in Quran. On the other hand, when I declare myself as an agnosticist Im aware Im being a little bit of a coward. I am afraid of God so I dont declare myself as an atheist but in fact I couldn't care less about God and religion as I dont understand these mysticism stories. Best thing to do is to stick to our parents religion although in a formal way unless we choose our own but not as a new or old trend but just because that helps our spirituality if and only if we have one.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Why were the films deleted? New censura I think. What about J1 and J2 in turks' haplogroups? Also, caucasians have some asiatic features like kazak folks but maybe Im wrong. We dont what do you think?

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu 1

Some of the film were deleted and are available only in the Russian version. By the way in film 12 they gives their reconstruction of the history. Same as the book HOW IT WAS IN REALITY but in a more friendly and short form. The book appeared last year while the films are several years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taep7YlDUv4&list=PLnTS27XHJSnBKq_FAJFB_QYZUVNcp4Q0f RUSSIAN

Use their site as Wikipedia. If you are interested in Alexander the Great seek for Macedon. Then try Skanderbey, Ptolemy ect. Not nesessarily you will find what you want because they did not work over 17-th century and they had no special works for Alexander. But they have English versions of many their books.

http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

Read about Tamerlane and Mehmet II who most likely were one man hated in the West. In one of their latest works they came to a conclusion that his Russian name was Ivan II Vasilievic The Terrible. In the Russian history we have two such Tsars. Both Grozny/Terrible, both Vasilievic and both Ivans. In fact Grozny was only one of them Ivan III aka Mehmet/Tamerlane died in 1481.

They tell us that pieces of biographies of the 3 were mixed sometimes. Say the Ottoman Sultan Selim I Yavuz lived parallel to Ivan III while his Yavuz title also measns Grozny/Terrible ... Besides for 3 years he was hiding in the North Caucasus among the Adig people called Cherkess in the ME.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

You know Turkish history is better than what we are offered by the West but you can't trust them either. For other reasons they too "improved" their history many times. So Selim could simply spend his time in Veliki Novgorod ... On the other hand after he became Sultan he grated his savior the Kabarda Prince Inal ( Mameluke) a fort that is still the pride of Temrjuk city of Russia.

Unfortunately we have to decode history now. But the theory of Fomenko is gaining hearts and minds very fast. So there's a hope. He was born in Donbass so even after 50 years in Moscow he has a spesific south Russian pronouncing. Gleb Nosovski is his right hand last 30 years and he goes to the Staroobrjadsky Church while Fomenko calls himself agnostic. I like this church too but I hesitate ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers

By the way I begin to think that the Caucasian version of the Shqiptar history is not so bad. Not because of the word Albania but because of the J1 and J2 happlogroup of yours. As far as I can remember the biggest concentration of these two sister happlogroups is in Dagestan and Chechnia ...

I am very sceptic about the ancient Balkan history as in 15 century because of the severe epidemy Horde cleaned south of Europe including Balkans. They killed Horde's people of the diseased lands and inhabited them with new peoples from Rus. So I think it was 15th century that all of you appeared there.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I watched two of them and will watch the others. Have difficulties to keep up with so much information these guys provide but I'm also improving my english!

rote

pre 7 godina

Emigrate Rote with all my family. So this is the fate God reserved to your dear albanians of the white and blue and golden hordes.

I love Russia and I am proud to be part of it. But many people simply had no choice and had to abandon their homes and their graves. I am not giving advice in such matters. But I'll give you plenty of the toponymals that I've promised. Many of them are in America (Amer-i Can) and Canada (Can Arda).

rote

pre 7 godina

By the way Rote is it true that Putin has invited Europe's Jews to buy land and invest in Russia? Also is it true that Russians are buying land in Siberia as it is expected to have a great economic growth?

(Skenderbeu 1444, 9 February 2017 18:40)

He often meets the Jewish Ravvins and last year they showed it over the central TV that the French Jews complained to him about the rise of anti-semitism in that country. Then Putin told them to come together to Russia. It dissapointed Nethanjahu because he made a similar invitation. I personally would prefer them to go to Africa because there are too many of them here. Yet attracting the rich Jews may be interesting for any country but a Muslim one. We are a partly Muslim state and a member of the Islamic Conference but we have no big problems with anti-semitism. As for Siberia I've heard something like that. But it was only one region of Altai where Shoigu is from. They say that in case of any cathaclisms it will be the safest place to live. You know Jews are something that you have to deal with. No matter what you feel about them or where you live or what you do ... Some day I'l tell you my/Fomenko's version how it happened that they became so important.

J

pre 7 godina

"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.
(HELLENIC SWORD, 8 February 2017 22:09)

They may or they may not. Let's take your word for a bit. We know about them because other ancient writers picked up on them. Just like we know about the contents of burned books from the library of Alexandria.

Second- The root of the Albanian language is not Turkic nor does it have any roots from the languages of the Caucasus.

Third- The incidence of ancient Greek words in the Albanian language places it in the region.

Fourth- There is no respected historian that has described the mass migration of the Albanian people. They do describe the mass migration of the Slavs.

Fifth- For such a small population to have migrated from the Caucasus and to have taken some prime real estate lands is non-sensical. Especially when the rivaling theory states that Slavs came first. Yet we took all this land in the Adriatic and Ionian away from them with a much much smaller population.

rote

pre 7 godina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYIIPkzdEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95VbDD0N60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0jd_EJ2OIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc&list=PLJ3bfiZSEyyCmWsnhzn9DnrQ6ZhA5yJiV
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fomenko+nosovsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Thfip4Owz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0yKN8r0UXw&list=PLOZkTl5YIKO2-3lqwmCYh3bHk4OmU6dby
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D1%85%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: There must not be any hysteria about Fomenkin reconstruction of history. He is on his own right to revise history and sincerely I think that the fact that russians have the time to focus on these issues means that things are running good in your country. Mine is the second most abandoned country in Europe and I just met a friend of mine who wants me to join him in Canada. Emigrate Rote with all my family. So this is the fate God reserved to your dear albanians of the white and blue and golden hordes. I will always read your comments and your toponyms though till the day it will be possible for me. I dont believe in historians and I believe in exact sciences as we call physics and mathematics here. Good luck to Fomenkin!

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

By the way Rote is it true that Putin has invited Europe's Jews to buy land and invest in Russia? Also is it true that Russians are buying land in Siberia as it is expected to have a great economic growth?

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

See how Europe looked like before 13 century !

http://chronologia.org/kak_reconstruction/im/003.jpg

Like Rus it was all fems (colonies) of the Romeys and what is most important BALKANS WERE METROPOLIS OF THE EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But the West persuaded you that all of you were slaves. In fact the West were slaves because all those France, Germany, Spain ect appeared in 17 century only and for another 100-150 years remained colonies of the Rus Atamans/Ottomans/Getmans.

rote

pre 7 godina

But I dont think Fomenkin needs this kind of publicity. He needs to talk to the scientific comunity first and then to the public.

(Skenderbeu 1444, 9 February 2017 08:15)

The problem is that the historians become histerians when it comes to tht New Chronology of Fomenko and Nosovsky. They avoid meeting them in public discussions calling names with zero proof. Their problem is that Anatoly Fomenko is one of the 5-10 most outstanding mathematicians of the world. So the label of the insane does not stick to him. My problem here is that I have to retell you his books while I would prefer you to read them in the originals. Read at leasr the reconstruction of history by him !

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

+ his 24 films

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMplPvA7k&list=PLQqYFITJNSJlzUpvNnUcFGRYMCUK5IqBq

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

I searched for the footprints of the Horde using the following marker words :

1/ BELI = white, bali, alba, abel, albi, balt, balta, ak, ok, aka
2/ KHAN = cahn, can, cannes, kan, kam, chamme, cam, cal, kal, kol, col ...
3/ RUS = russ, ross, rossi, rosso, urosh, rosh, rash ...
4/ ORDA = horde, arta, port, p-orta, k-orda, urdu, ordu ...
5/ GAL = halle, hall, galli, gala, gauls ...

ect.

Among 1100 words that I've found during 2 months there were some 210 mentionings of the Whites aka Albanians. I am ready to sort them out for you. Because word Albanian belonged to the White Horde only. It marked the military forse that gave names to the main rivers, seas, ports, mountains and other places for only one reason - to let everybody know who is the master here.

So when we are told that Mehmet II sieged Belgrade and was killed here they are kidding us. Because Mehmet II was a Rus and himself was of the White Horde so Belgrade already belonged to him. Most likely he was killed and burried in Samarkand as Tamerlane.

Same with Skenderbeu who as they say withstanded Mehmet II Fatih with his miserable 300 buffalo soldiers ... Total strength of the hordes under Mehmet II could reach 500 000 - 700 000 of professional warriors. His empire was many times bigger than they paint it on their maps now.

So I am starting to place the white-albanians that I've found last year. I'll be placing them where I see your comments.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Hellenic sword: I didnt know that Ptolemy's Geography has been declared an apocryphal gospel text in Greece. So if it doesnt fit your narrative the text doesnt exist? As I wrote I would be more than happy if it is true that we came from the Caucasians lands. Hellenic sword there is just one and only one proof for a nation to show if it is ancient or not and that is being wise nation today, in our modern times. I admit greeks are the smartest persons ive ever met. If I admit that Im under the bridge and dumb, are you happy?

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I have a degree in physics and I am afraid I cant follow you when you compare languages. Besides this Fomenkin needs to provide proof on who manipulated the history and for which reasons. Otherwise this is nice theory as nice as the official one is. I don't know but your method of making publicity of this is like west does for commercial products. But I dont think Fomenkin needs this kind of publicity. He needs to talk to the scientific comunity first and then to the public.

HELLENIC SWORD

pre 7 godina

@Skenderbeu 1444

+PRINCEPS EPIRI ET ALBANIAE
"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu -2

As an introduction I have to tell you once again that before paper became available in 16 century all maps, books and documents were written on parchment that was VERY expensive. So on all written languages they wrote only the consonant sounds. Say word ALBA/WHITE looked LB ect.

But the oryginal word was Rus BELI (BL) = BALI (BL). In 1382 Rus Horde of the White Khan Dmitry I Ivanovich (killed in Kosovo) sent a big horde of the Cherkassy Princes and Caucasians to replace the Kurds in Misr/Cairo/Egypt. They became known as the Mamelukes. Egypt meant not only the current state of Egypt but north of Africa + Iraq+Syria + Lebanon + Sudan.

Mamelukes needed a code to communicate the far away hordes and mainland Rus. So the "arabic" letters and language were invented. Mamelukes too wrote only the consonant sounds. But it was hard to read such letters so they had to invent also HARAKAT notes that you can see in Quran below and above the words. Harakats show what sound is missing between the consonant letters or that there's no sound at all.

Very often Rus text were misintepreted while written in Arabian. So Rus ЛБ/LB was written as Arabian BL (backward). Then somebody who did not knew the oryginal word BELI filled the word with wrong sounds. So BL first turned into Arabian LB and then was filled with prefix A and became ALB. Later with the Ladino language (old Spanish = Sefardi Jewish) it reached Spanish colony of the Whites and became Alba = White.

rote

pre 7 godina

misprintted as :

So Rus ЛБ/LB was written as Arabian BL (backward).

read as :

So Rus БЛ/BL was written as Arabian LB (backward).

HELLENIC SWORD

pre 7 godina

@Skenderbeu 1444


"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.

rote

pre 7 godina

part-3

Arabian for Libya is same as in English bit suffix YA/IA is a pure European for places and countries. Thus we have remaining LUB (LB) that is exactly our BELI.

Same with Lebanon whose Arabian name is LUBNAN. Europeans just added sound E. Anyway in old documents it could be written as LBN or LBNN. Here I have to tell you that AN is the multiple form for the animates. Persian in a great degree formed the Arabian language. Thus we have LB=BL and AN as multiple form. Altogether it makes WHITES= BELI= ALBANIANS.

If you study toponymals in the two mentioned states and in their neighborhood you will find many other toponymals openly showing at the Rus or Turkic oryginals.

I don't know how good I explain it but there must be some preliminary theoretical knoledge before we move forward. If it is interesting you will also have to remember letters and sounds that were often got mixed. One would say SALT and the others will hear sounds A or O and so will they write it down. Just remember several combinations of sounds that were mixed. Such as U/O, S/TS, A/O, B/P ect. Some letters like V/U/W were mixed too because grammar wasnt stabile yet.

Now if you are still interested I'll be placing words meaning White explaining why it means Albanian. In many cases Albanian form is used in others they were based on Russian or Turkic languages.

rote

pre 7 godina

If there were many different albanians and albania's in the world for whatever reasons (various hordes) we distinguished ourselves because we could understand each other. So Kapella Im afraid your Fomenkin will be the future Tesla in historiography.

(Skenderbeu 1444, 8 February 2017 18:32)

He already is ! Please read the link I permanently leave for you and you will receive a plain and clear vision of the past. Read just this one book and see 24 films of the New Chronology to understan who we all are. It will blow up your mind but in the end you will become calm and self sufficient. When you have the tool you'll be able to make your own investigations like I do it when I have time. You will discover things that you were passing bye without paying any attention.

Once I started to search for the footprints of the Slavic Conquest last year. Even after Hitler changed some 1200 Slavic toponymals there are still plenty of them in Germany. So his Barbarossa (Russian Barbar) Operation also had a Rus name. I personally found above 1000 toponymals, names and ethnonymals all over the world. They directly point at the Slavic conquest where some other peoples took part too.

With word WHITE I've got above 200 such names on all continents. So if you are interested I'll start placing them here. It will take time because without my explanation you will not accept them.

2 more parts

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: Ive been thinking about this day and night and also asked a neighbor of mine who is professor of history. There are two theories about origins of name shqiptar/Shqiperi. The one is the eagle of the coat of arms of Skenderbeu (shqipe/shqiponje is eagle) the other one is more accredited. "Shqip" as language derives not from the eagle but from verb "shquaj" - distinguish in clear way, so when we say to each other "fol shqip" it doesnt mean speak albanian, but speak in a clear way. Continues

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

So from "shqip" the language which is clear to me derived shqiptar - albanian etnicity and Shqiperi (Albania) and it doesnt mean the land where eagles take a rest. This is more accurate theory as our linguists say. Now this is very important if we relate it to your explanation of the international name for albanians. If there were many different albanians and albania's in the world for whatever reasons (various hordes) we distinguished ourselves because we could understand each other. So Kapella Im afraid your Fomenkin will be the future Tesla in historiography.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I wish we could be the successors of Caucasians as we all know that they are very brave and glorious fighters. Unfortunately we are not as the average albabian is very pacific and doesn't think about war. If you could know albanians you could understand that these people have been christianized in early ages so they endure everything in a stupid and pacific way. Plus we have many vlachs living in our area and they are also very pacific people. I wish we could be from the Caucasus but these sheep of mine are not used to say my grandmother!

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : we didnt come from the caucas' albania

Your Albanian name is not because you came from Caucasus but because there were lots of Albanias worldwide. You also don't have to be ashamed of the word Caucasian because it's a rather proud name here. There are two sorts of Caucasians who differ much. In South Caucasus there's only one people the Armenians who can equally good fight and trade. Georgians and Azerbaijan people are peceful peasants. Quite different are Northern Caucasians whose ancestors belonged to the caste of the warriors. The best unit in the Tsar army was the Savage Division and so was during the USSR when 2 out of 3 batalions in the Brest Fortress were composed of the Caucasians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_Fortress

Now about the Caucasian Albany. They say it was a union of some 26 tribes in central and western Caucasus. All of them including the Chechens were Albanians i.e. part of the White Horde. Now we also had some Alania in the western and central Caucasus i.e. almost the same lands. Those were Rus Princes of Cherkassy, the Adiga and Ossetian tribes. Thus we have two parallel multinational unions on the same lands - the Albanians (Alban) and the Alanians (Alan) whose names differ only one letter ... As a matter of fact Albans were part of the Beli Horde but we know for sure that the Alans were Mamelukes i.e. also the Whites/Alban/Beli

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : Srb, Shqiptar, Skythians, all start with "S" letter

No idea of the Shqiptars - may it derive from the two headed eagle that was coat of arms of the Komnins to whom Jesus/Isa belonged and that became one of the symbols of the Whites since Ivan III. Word Srb quite can be Sbr = Siabri = north western Russians = mainland White Horde. Word Scyth = Skit is a pure Russian word = living place far from cities and villages. As you know the Horde's Cossacks were nomads and they settled on the borders far from common people.

According to Fomenko Quran is a form of the old Bible. I've spent half of my life among the Muslims who believed that the God is one (la illahi il ala) and so do I. Each time I can see how Muslims misbehave I pray Oh Lord forgive them as they don't know what they are doing. I personally live in harmony with Islam because I know it for sure that it came out of our house. By the way Muslims are still allowed to pray in the churches if there's no mosque nearby and if the Christians don't mind.

One funny story happened to me in the Caucasus. An Ingush asked me WHERE'S MECCA HERE and I said I DON'T KNOW WHERE MECCA IS BUT WHEN THE INGUSH PRAY THEY LOOK IN THIS DIRECTION. He was so happy to cry out THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO KNOW ! Those who kill crying Allah Akbar are not Muslims. With the same success they could use books of comics or NYT Magazine instead of Quran-i Sharif. By the way both Quran and Bible mean the same - READING.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Jugoslavia I was referring to that alvanoi tribe described by Ptolemy and that is the only proof we have we have been in this area along with greeks. What happened before or after cant be irrefutable because of thousands of reasons. Of course we never painted a cave and thats true but that could also mean that we have always been fighting to survive. We were not a consolidated entity and maybe yes we were always moving as nomads. But the core part was there, we didnt come from the caucas' albania not because I want this to be true but for the simple reason that such a massive movement of people would have been noticed by either greek or turkish archives. I have also been thinking about the fact that Srb, Shqiptar, Skythians, all start with "S" letter, I know it is a stupid thing to tell but who knows. What do you think?

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: Thank you for your sincere reply. I started reading Quran years ago and then I gave up because I felt like a hypocrite as I understood religion is not for me. Maybe I am an agnosticist as many albanians say, as I believe we cant understand God. But I am not a complexed muslim and in this world where muslims are called backward and terrorist I have no problems to say that my family religion is muslim as my last name is. Now regarding that old lady's words there's a whole philosophy there but that is all about russians. Your people brain works as motor turbo diesel and thats scary and I have no words other then admiration Kapella!

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija

When you speak of 17-18 centuries I fail to see difference between Serbs and Rus people. It appeared in 19 century because the fate of this part of the Rus was different from mainland's one. Rus were the biggest of the divided peoples. 5% of their land was seized by the Germans who used Romanov trade mark here. Step by step they destroyed all other Rus states while Slavs in Europe found shelter under the Osmani umbrella. Also remember that national issue was not so importand in the old times as the whole world was submitted to the Rurikovici who were gods as they thought. Language also wasn't so important as there were several artificial languages to ease communication. Some believe that Turkic aka Tatar was one such because peoples who speaks the dialects of this language have no joint ancestor and even belong to different races. I saw two Greeks trying to explain themselves. Both were sure that they spoke Greek although one sounded rather Turkic. 10% of the current Turks have Turkic/Tatar origin so you may have Russian happlogroups as well. Just remember that the Turkish language is about 80 years old and it has little to do with the Osmani language that was a street language for centuries and since 19 century was used for official documents too. Your grandmother spoke Turkic/Tatar because Turkish appeared in 1932-45 only. She could see no difference as the new language was based on Tatar language.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

I do plus one more language that uses Arabic letters. I dont know Arabic although but I understand about 40% of the words. By the way word WHITE is ABEL in Arabian so the Russian rootes (A-BEL) are apparent.In 15 century this artificial language was used only in Russia and in the Misr/Egypt Sultanate of the Mamelukes.

In the famous Journey Beyond Three Seas Afanasy Nikitin used several languages of the Horde - Rus, Turkic=Tatar, Persian and Arabian. What is interesting he never translates from one language to another as he believes that the reader knows all of them. Another interesting thing is that he prays as a Rus Orthodox but the next moment he prays as a good Muslim reading Suras from Quran. All because he saw no contradiction in it. Some of his Muslim prayer are in Arabian some in Tatar/Turkic because at the time Arabian wasn't the only language of Islam yet. It happened later in 17 century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_Beyond_Three_Seas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasy_Nikitin

Persian phrases in the book show that the language wasn't formed yet. At least they differ much from the current language and it is strange to read them in Cyrillic ...

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rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

end of the comment

Persian is the most beutiful of the languages that I know. If you listen how they speak or sing you stop doing anything else. They smack and enjoy their language spelling every sound ... Like Arabian and Latin the Persian was an artificial language invented for literature, science and history. That's why in Central Asia they have severe problems of identification of poets and scientists who all wrote Persian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB3NZu96GGk

PS

I've read Quran interpreted to Russian by Krachkovski as it is the the best one here. Current version of Quran was printed in Europe during Suleiman The Magnificent. Unlike the Christian saint books Qurans all over the world are similar that could happen only if the oryginals were delivered to every mosque for further copying.

It's a big theme to start now but the version available is composed under one single logic THE BIGGESt PHRASES ARE BROUGHT TO THE BEGINING AND THE SHORTER A PHRASE IS THE CLOSER IT IS TO THE END OF QURAN ... This composition cannot be oryginal ... That's why it is so difficult to understand Quran without Tasfir ...

Joni

pre 7 godina

@ zotit Skenderbe
O Zot o Zot! Kur u be edhe i biri i tetos Sander mafishtja mos ngelte burre ne kembe.. hahahaha ( shaka eee)
By the way nice to see that you have married an Albanian woman, all the Albanian men do that at least 98 %.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Rote When you say that you have read Quran twice you mean you've read it in arabic, turkish or russian translation if I can ask you this question. You know arabic language in order to write and read the first Sura? Is there any proof that muslims and ortodox were branches of same religion? I have great respect for people who know eastern languages as I would never learn arabic or turkish language as they both look too difficult to me. You also know farsi persian Rote?

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

@Rote

Miners and the State in the Ottoman Empire
The Zonguldak Coalfield 1822-1920

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1845451341/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=36XKG3GFDQM8T&coliid=I152KIAGUN238N

Remind you of Montenegro?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&FORM=IGRE

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

4/ Historical Turks and the current Turks have little in common. As a Greek you should better know such things at least because current Turks are of Greek orygin in a big degree. Do I have to tell you how Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian Tatars to invent the Turkish language in 1923? l
(rote, 6 February 2017 22:22)

Doesn't make sense Rote as my Great Great Grandmother came from Asia Minor Turkey, she only spoke Turkish and was there far before 1923. She however was Greek with all it's traditions that are currently followed in the province of Macedonia, Greece.

You might also want to consider a region called Zogaldak, located in the Black Sea of Turkey. It was a large coal and mining town and was literally run by joint venture of Turks and Serbs in the 17, 18 and 19th century. By the way, Zogaldak has an uncanny appearance to the Montenegrin Coast, could it be that the Serbs migrated from the Black sea coastal regions to Southeastern Europe?

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

@ Yugosllavia Some enscriptions on Illyrian graves can be explained only through albanian language and that is archeological evidence. We are not gypsy nomads as albanoi tribe was described from a greek historian ages ago and it was located in Durres and Tirana.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 6 February 2017 22:01)

Your talking about Ptolemy who said there is an Alvonai ancient tribe. But there is also discussion about the Scythians discussed by Herodotus linked to Albanians. Some have even linked the Serbs to the Scythians. There is no denying that Albanians an old tribe and civilization equal to the age of the Greeks, but the links to "Illyria" are not irrefutable.

I really don't have much appreciation for Tito or Hoxha. However, Tito was not a nationalist as so many historians try to incorrectly portray him. Milosevic was Ivan Stambolic and Josip Broz Tito's pupil and not a nationalist as well contrary to what mainstream media tries to portray.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Yugosllavia Some enscriptions on Illyrian graves can be explained only through albanian language and that is archeological evidence. We are not gypsy nomads as albanoi tribe was described from a greek historian ages ago and it was located in Durres and Tirana. But we are not solving nothing here and life would be less interesting if we cant discuss on these issues. You sound like Enver Hoxha when he condemned Tito and then Hrushov and then chinese leaders to be revisionists!

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks"

4/ Historical Turks and the current Turks have little in common. As a Greek you should better know such things at least because current Turks are of Greek orygin in a big degree. Do I have to tell you how Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian Tatars to invent the Turkish language in 1923? Do I have to tell you the comedy of how the ABSOLUTELY NEW LANGUAGE was implemented since 1932? Do I have to tell you about the tragedy of 1942 when all the Greeks, Armenians, Slavs, Kurds, Arabs ect. were declared as Turks. They had to change their names and family names for the offered list of Turkish names so Armen Petrosian became Altin Effendi and Manolis Papandopolus became Abdullah Gulzade ... They could jail you for singing a Greek song or talking Greek in the street ... Do you want to know the difference between the Great Osmani language and the ugly Turkish or do you want to know how far the Rus Sultans (in fact Padishahs) were from what you call Turks ? In one other links that I gave you there's a separate article about the meanings of this Russian word.

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks" who are nothing more than converted Serbs or Croats.

5/ As for the Bosniaks it's easy to judge them now. But we don't know under what sircumstances and when they changed their belief. If it happened in 16-17 centuries it wasn't a crime yet. Because both religions still remembered of their joint Christian craddle. At least if Zaporozhie Cossacks turned to serve to the Surltans it wasn't a treason in Russia in 17 century ... The Sultans simply were bigger Russians than the Romanovs and their only diplomatic language before 19 century was Slovenski (old Serbian) ... Then it was replaced by Greek language. Thus Slovenski and Greek were the only languages that the "Turks" used for international relations. The treaties were signed only in these two languages without interpretation to other languages. During Tanzimat period in late 19 century French was also used as diplomatic language but never Osmani ...

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

Muslims prayed in the Orthodox churches before 17 century. The first evidence of a mosque belongs to a French map of Stanbul of 1572. I've read Quran twice and I can write and read the first Sura. I went into mosques in many countries ect. But I am a dissident about Islam that was part of Christianity before 1613. Of course it was a separate branch but it was closer to the Orthodox than the Catholics in 16 century.

It was the time when both Islam and Christianity were transformed and they went different directions. Orthodox Khans/Kniazes could have 4 legal wives and Harems. Harem aka Гарем was a Russian Терем aka castle/temple ... Then it was also used as Harram for forbidden things. As you must know in Islam all deeds are divided for 4 groups - forbidden, not recomended, recomended, obligatory. So temple of Kniaz was a forbidden/harram place to enter.

Drinking alcohol was forbidden in late 17 century after the Muslims were oblidged to pray 5 times a day. Because one could not talk to Allah without crear mind. Islam became religion of the Ottomans whose empire was much bigger than we are told. Islam appeared in Kazan and Sunnah describes events in this region. Kaaba meteorite fell down in 1421 in Yaroslavl aka Veliki Novgorod. First Kaaba was near Kazan as well as the Zam Zam well. Then during the Mameluke conquest parts of the Kaaba were taken to Hidjaz. In Muslims books there are no dates so Joseph Scaliger appointed Hijjra time for the year of 622.

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : For example, no archeological evidence exists that supports the Fomenko fantasies, Albanian link to Illyrians and FYROM Slavs to Alexander the Great. Albanians are gypsy nomads ...

1. There are plenty of archeological, documental , genetical, philological and many other kinds of proof of the "fantasies" and I am ready to start placing them if b92 doesn't mind. In the first link Putin talks about the Battle of Kulikovo. He says that both sides were composed of the Russians who used the Tatar cavalry as their main striking force. According to Fomenko Tatars were the regular army/horde of the Empire and the battle happened in the place where lately Moscow was built. Dead bodied were burried 8 meters deep in 1 monastery and 6 churches built for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8JWEx6PXh4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kulikovo
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_30.html#the31
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_26.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html
http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

2/ Gypsies were a caste of the Great Horde who looked after the Roman roads. We can talk about it.

3/ If the Shqiptars were Albanians i.e. were part of the Great Horde they definitely were nomads because all Cossacks were nomads. For your information a horse needs 3 times more of hay than a cow. So the hordes were mobile. They just had ti migrate especially in winter times. Simply because each warrior had 2-3 horses.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Of course the Balkans have "mixed" with other nationalities, some more so than others. What do you expect when the Ottomans invaded the Balkans for 500 Years? The problem is that you have some crazy Russian on here who mixed up history with genealogy based on historical revisionist Anatoly Fomenko.

For example, no archeological evidence exists that supports the Fomenko fantasies, Albanian link to Illyrians and FYROM Slavs to Alexander the Great.

Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks" who are nothing more than converted Serbs or Croats.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Joni She is albanian but thats because I am smart like thousands of greeks, italians and serbs are ;) Honest strong and sweet albanian women are some of the worlds best women. Use capital letter for God - Zoti and I dont mind if you dont use it for my nickname :)

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Rote I am afraid of two things in my life and one of those two things is these questions full of wisdom that these old women like my late muslim grandmother do! It is so hard to reply to them and there's a risk one remains like a foolish child in front of them. Good questions there's nothing bad in going to church or mosque as long as they teach us to live in peace I think.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

It's an old Georgian film by Georgy Danelia. In the very end an old woman asked DOES THIS ROAD LEADS TO THE CHURCH? When she heard a negative respond she asked new question WHAT FOR A ROAD IS NEEDED IF IT DOESN'T LEAD TO A CHURCH? (ЗАЧЕМ НУЖНА ДОРОГА, КОТОРАЯ НЕ ВЕДЕТ К ХРАМУ?) Good words I think.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : it means you are from the Bal Khans ...

I am pleased that you've used this form so I grant you with the list of the states that existed in Europe in late 16 century :

1. Velikaya Perm (aka Bjarma) = central Europe with Germany
2. Velikoe Kniazhestvo Ungarskoe = Hungary, Austria, north of Italy
3. Velikoe Kniazhestvo Bulgarskoe = Balkans
4. Batica (Vatica, Vjatka) = everything south of Rome + Spain+ Portugal + part of France
5. Velikoe Gerzogstvo Kentyiskoe = Britain

that's all !

As for the Bal Can you may compare it with name Stanbul = Stan Bulgar = Place of the Bulgars. Before mid 16 century when the disorder time started in Rus the peninsula was submitted directly to Veliki Novgorod. But then to save the Orthodox peoples from the German Protestants the Orthodox Rus Sultans had to take care of the Balkans. All of you remember 19 century but in 15-17 century the Atamans/Ottomans were quite different.

Anyway words Balkan and (I)stanbul come together. You will die of laughter if you read all 6 versions of the Istanbul toponymal in Wikipedia. In fact it is composed of two Russian words = Place of the Bulgars = Place of the Whites. Because Volga (Valga, Balga,Belga) means White so Bulgars were Whites = Albanians = White Horde.

By the way Tirana (TRN) = Turan (TRN) ... Also I have an idea how the Caucasian Albania could be connected with the Alans. Next time ...

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

I have a simple test for everyone's DNA to offer here for free. Watch this video and listen to this beautiful turkish song and if you smile and feel like you want to sing along with this georgian singer it means you are from the Bal Khans. The title in turkish is "Her aksham sarhosh" Her aksham votka raki ve sharap etc etc Now I made this test and it turned out I am 30% albanian 30% turk 30% greek and 10% caucasian. Ismail Qemali's wife was greek and serbs and west guys are marrying our women so this "pure albanian blood" theory is nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXn_t65MjYU

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 7 godina

This is correct. Western covert intelligence organizations will try to provoke Serbia by stepping up ethnically motivated attacks against non-Albanian minorities in Kosovo (as well as the other surrounding regions).

Olsi

pre 7 godina

Elections coming soon in Serbia and also in Albania. The usual herd of sheep needs the usual patriotic dose. I'm ok with this strategy if it works to get more votes from the radicals. Just saw that Kurir was starting to have "the things". That's good. T'fala & Hvala!

rote

pre 7 godina

Puppy : Why is only albanians who are "serbs" but serbs are never albanian. This is stupid. Serbs love fairytales and lies.

It's quite natural that neighbors get mixed as life goes on. But all of us were fed with false fairy tales. If you read sceptically the stories of Kastriotti or Obilic or anybody else you will find them very suspicious. Not to hurt any of the sides let's take history of someone else.

Say Tamerlane means Lame Timur coz he was wounded in his left knee. When his grave was opened in 1941 everybody saw it was so. But if you read his story you will find that he was wounded when he was stealing cattle. Even if so this man ruled half the world and he had his own historians who could not write such a BS.

Another story is about Prophet Mohammad. We are told that he suffered losses after he had to abandon Medina where he had real estate. So he desided to compensate his losses and robbed a caravan from Medina. It is total idiotism to tell us stories that the prophet who contacted Jabrail and Allah himself was so greedy and blood thirsty that he killed people for material things ...

Such stories could be written only by someone who hated both Tamerlane and Mohammed. So talking serious about fantastic Scanderbeg or the "Serbian" aristocracy that vanished in 1380 is very naiive. Best if we try to decode the past together.

rote

pre 7 godina

There is no such thing as "alternative truths". we call these lies.
(American Eagle, 4 February 2017 00:55)


You have two ethnical names and heavy problems of self identification because the Illirians were Slavs. If the traditional history is so good I have two questions in one :

1/ Why do they call you Albanians and what does Albanian mean?
2/ Why do you call yourself the Shqiptare and who else call themselves animals or birds?

If you give reasonable explanations I'll ask you of the Albanians all over the world and you will have to explain plenty of toponymals and ethnonimals. Plus I'll ask you about the Russian R1a in your happlogroup.

Good Luck!

EL KHAN DAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6d3yVq1Xtw

Reader

pre 7 godina

"However my DNA tells me : 13% Serb, 20% Italian 30% Albanian and 30% Croatian + 4% undefined and 3% asian.
Have nice cold peja beer and relax."
(Bilbao, 3 February 2017 21:33)

Bilbao, I agree with you, people have mixed with each other for generations. For instance, it is a fact that Albanians and Montenegrins have mixed with each other somewhat in the more mountainous regions. One can read the books of Edith Durham to listen first hand the stories she heard from the Albanians she visited.

However, it is a bit weird to hear that genes have nationality. What does it mean "20% Italian"? Are 20% of your genes the same as genes present in the majority of the Italian people that were tested? But Italians are mixed themselves like everybody else. I would be skeptic about putting national identifiers on genes as well, there are so many things already that are tainted with national identifiers and are causing stupid problems for people.

Counter Revolution

pre 7 godina

a serb accusing somebody else for propaganda = hipocrisy
(Revolution, 3 February 2017 14:11)

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somebody else accusing a Serb for propaganda = hipocrisy

noire

pre 7 godina

Vucic face looks like the face of someone that does not mean his tough talk. he looks a nice peaceful guy , trying hard to steer the uneducated old serb mentality towards EU.

justhetruth

pre 7 godina

Propaganda!!!????
Albanians didn't send a train or a bus saying in its wall "Vojvodina is Hungary"... so really I don't know who we need to blame for a bad judgment!!? ?because really like in black and white Albanians didn't insult no one for century's and from your one kind from 1990 to 1999 guess how many life's gone, destruction ,and separation happen can you really imagine your country its in debt above your shoulder and yes soon or later Serbia will pay doesn't matter most of the Serbian citizen don't know the real number but one day the black and white paper will be seen just remember city Gjakova/Djakovica one day will find the truth about it or maybe you and others thinking everything what happen its like writing in ice and leave it in front the sun and as it melt's everything it will disappeared... like nothing happen? all this is the real story as the story's survived for millennium's and millenniums to come they will ..

American Eagle

pre 7 godina

If you want to hear about other Albanians living in China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Caucasus, Europe, both Americas, Africa, Oceania ask me to help you. Word Albanian had no ethnical sence. Same about the Gypsies I can explain how and what for this people appeared everywhere.
(rote, 3 February 2017 16:40)


rote,
Please stop boring us with your bogus pseudo theories on everything from history to genetics. No one wants to read your nonsense. If this is what was taught to you at a Russian University then it is no wonder Russia is in such a sorry state. There is no such thing as "alternative truths". we call these lies.

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Who cares if nobility married eachother? 99,9% of albanians married eachother back then. They were christians, so what? They prefered to marry their own kind just like every one else.
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Not possible as you should go do the DNA test before you speak, no one is 99.9% anything except people who live in Amazon as a primitive tribe and even they are mixed with Asians though history.

I am speaking with data you are speaking with nationalisam, there is no such thing in Europe as 99% anything.

Visava wife of Gjon Kastrioti, Mother of Skenderbeg Gjergj Kastrioti -She is mentioned in passing in two sources from the start of the 16th century. The first source, a biography on her son, mentions her as the daughter of a "Triballian nobleman", which is interpreted as her being Serbian, modern scholars pointing to the Branković dynasty. Her name is Slavic, as are several of her children's names.

So again let inat down, grab a book and a test tube spit saliva send it for analysis and come back.

By the way I am 50% Albanian with a 50% Croatian mother, so your theory is wrong in that sense!!! I should be 50 / 50 by test tube says different.

This is not guess work this is science, but if you like you can believe you are 99.9% albanian however this is not possible.

However my DNA tells me : 13% Serb, 20% Italian 30% Albanian and 30% Croatian + 4% undefined and 3% asian.
Have nice cold peja beer and relax.

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

What is "serbian" DNA? Does that mean that many serbs have albanian blood as well? Why is only albanians who are "serbs" but serbs are never albanian. This is stupid. Serbs love fairytales and lies. Everyone knows that. They see the world in way that fits them. Anyway the Albanians in Kosovo are not serbs and neither were their ancestors. They never liked your kind. They would never mix with you.

PUTINlover

pre 7 godina

Vucic you crybaby ,you were not even a good ashtray boy at the Milosevic gatherings and your not even a good leader for you people .You smell whats in the air and its gagging you already

Good luck your gonna need it

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

I have no slavic relatives in my family[thank god for that!] and neither does any albanian i know. No albanian would throw away their genes on a Serb!

I want to marry a beautiful albanian girl in the future and have albanian children and keep the bloodline albanian. We albanians marry eachother no matter if we are ghegs or tosks, no matter if we are sunni,catholic,orthodox or bektashi. No matter if we are Albania, Kosovo, or Macedonia. We Albanians have eachother and we need eachother. Even the albanian diaspora still marry their own kind. Serbs are considered to be undesirable to albanians. Serbs are hated by all albanians. We dont want to mix with slavs and greeks. We want to be with our own kind :)

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilboa

Who cares if nobility married eachother? 99,9% of albanians married eachother back then. They were christians, so what? They prefered to marry their own kind just like every one else. Serbs like to think that everyone in the universe is a serb, but sorry to break it for you. We are not serbs. And we are not slavs either. We have nothing to do with slavs. Slavs are monkies and nothing else. All albanians can trace their ancestors and there are no serbian relatives to be found. So the genetic tests are beyond irrelevant. Our ancestors were albanians. We are albanians and we will always be albanians. And there is nothing you serbs can do about that! A strong majority of albanians would never even think of having any relationship at all with serbs! NEVER

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

We are NOT serbs! Our ancestors were NOT serbs! We are NOT related to serbs!

Serbs are gypsies!
(layman22, 3 February 2017 15:43)

Go do a DNA check its called 23and ME and you will learn.

Yes Serbs are not same origin as Albanians but they married each other till 1400s when being christian was more important than nationality.

Ok you need to do the study before you react with Inat!

Do the DNA then study it and then look at Serb DNA and you shall see.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqWYuKvbXY]

What learn and weep!

rote

pre 7 godina

Albanians from Kosovo have 0% serbian DNA. They are Albanians. There ancestors were Albanians. We are not related to serbs in any sense. The bloodline has always been albanian. Mixing with a serb would be like mixing with a gypsy. You would be shunned from your own kind. Albanians from Albania, Abanians from Kosovo and Albanians from Macedonia belong to the same race and blood. What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read.
(layman22, 3 February 2017 14:17)


"What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read". At least you are the naive of the day. Kindly see how much of the Russian R1a you both have in your happlogroups. This is why they call you Albanians i.e. people of the White (Russian) Horde and this is why Belgrade is the city of the Whites and this is why you both live on the Bal (White) Cans (Khans). See also Slavic I and Semite J happlogroups both in Serbs and the Shqiptars. If you want to hear about other Albanians living in China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Caucasus, Europe, both Americas, Africa, Oceania ask me to help you. Word Albanian had no ethnical sence. Same about the Gypsies I can explain how and what for this people appeared everywhere.

D. Sven, Scandinavia

pre 7 godina

The more exclamation marks we see in Petar the Rocky Mountains’ writings, the closer is the end of a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”government” and the closer is the end of the transitional
”albanian phase” in Kosovo. Cheers!

layman22

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

Albanians from Kosovo have 0% serbian DNA. They are Albanians. There ancestors were Albanians. We are not related to serbs in any sense. The bloodline has always been albanian. Mixing with a serb would be like mixing with a gypsy. You would be shunned from your own kind. Albanians from Albania, Abanians from Kosovo and Albanians from Macedonia belong to the same race and blood. What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read. And no there will be no "love" between us either. We dont want to have ANYTHING to do with serbs. We never liked them and we will never like them in the future either. Stop insulting us with your dirty lies about "serbian" DNA. We dont mix with gypsies.

Peter the Rocky Mountains

pre 7 godina

Merkel wants to see Vučić as the next president and Zorana Mihajlović as the next prime minister. This ”Kosovo crisis” is orchestrated just to let Vučić act as a peacemaker, calm ”fighter of truth and justice”. Besides, the Germans are brainwashed to love islamic terrorists and hate Serbs. Poor Vučić, he is smart enough to manipulate the Serbs, but not clever enough to cheat the Germans. Serbia now needs a leader of Nikola Pašić caliber. In fact, there is one good candidate.
(D. Sven, Scandinavia, 3 February 2017 13:38)

Wrong! You need a leader the likes of Slobodan Milosevich, a Serbian savior to save the day!
Also Sven I've Brennan visiting this forum for years and have never come across any of your comments this being the first, have you left Serbia to start a new in Scandinavia a become a part time key board warrior? I think I'll call u sidelines instead of swen!!! And please enjoying your whopper or do they have a Russian equivalent there???

ManFromMountain

pre 7 godina

Solution for Kosovo/a: kick the old politicians out, support community policing that protects the interests of individuals, entrepreneurs, farmers, and other industries. Let the people trade with ordinary citizens on the other side. It is time for Balkan millennials to rule.

These countries need to reduce the influence of foreign interests. Do you think America has anyone else's best interests at heart? What about Russia? Trump is 100% America first to the point of damaging relations with Australia. Putin used Kosovo as a precedent for Crimea in his legal argument before the UN.

D. Sven, Scandinavia

pre 7 godina

Merkel wants to see Vučić as the next president and Zorana Mihajlović as the next prime minister. This ”Kosovo crisis” is orchestrated just to let Vučić act as a peacemaker, calm ”fighter of truth and justice”. Besides, the Germans are brainwashed to love islamic terrorists and hate Serbs. Poor Vučić, he is smart enough to manipulate the Serbs, but not clever enough to cheat the Germans. Serbia now needs a leader of Nikola Pašić caliber. In fact, there is one good candidate.

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Vucic is in a bad spot:

- He is nationalist even if he apologises and says he eat plazma and changed:
- He can not create Comunity of Serbs as a) he is process to EU b) most Serbs live SOuth of Ibar 120K vs 50K North of Ibar.
-It is election time in Serbia and there are votes to be had in Kosovo / Since Seselj is back they can not have landslide on Nationalist.

People calm down there are 4600 NATO solders in Kosovo:

No Serbian Army or Police will come to Kosovo as it means declaration of WAR.
Albanians do not need to force themselves north as they will lose support of West

Let idiots guard the bridge in winter, do not fall for 1990s propaganda as in the end they will watch war on TV vs your children perishing. Serbian Army wont pass 5Km zone without permission of NATO remember Kumanovo agreement (capitulation).

Its Friday enjoy the weekend, smile dance be active and most importantly love each other as Serbs and Albanians from Kosovo if ever did DNA would find out they are cousins after living with each other since 700 - Albanians from Kosovo have more DNA with Serbs from south Serbia than Albanians from Saranda.

We live a short short life, do not waste it in hate as it does nothing to the other person / people.

cuarteador

pre 7 godina

Vucic blasted unnamed "foreign ambassadors" for meddling in the country's internal affairs, saying that they will not be deciding "where and how our army units will be deployed."

Ok so lets analyze this:

You/Serbia can send troops and police to areas with Albanian population - and all day say they are at the ready.

But

Albanians should not send Police to Serb Areas even when there is a train coming to insult them?

I am sorry even if you want to be neutral and hear you out this is the definition of ahypocrite.

Peter the Rocky Mountains

pre 7 godina

Vucic sounds like a 7 year old that was caught with his gang of seven trying to set the neighbors house on fire 🔥 having only 1 match with him!!!
Pathetic lying Chetnik runs home to mommy "being caught red handed" lying to her that he didn't do anything wrong And that it was the neighbors that are to be blamed so he won't get spanned back home for his attempts of starting a fire that would most likely have engulfed the entire neighborhood and not just his neighbors house! So now vucic and his gang of seven thugs have officially BEEN PUT ON NOTICE by the big boys which are now going to watch the neighborhood from now on!!!
This is what happens when you don't grow up and accept the realitys that you can't always be a spoiled renegade on the loose thinking you are free to do as you like with all your neighbors!!!
It's time mother back in Serbia punishes vucic and his gang of seven for their bad judgements, as she risks the very real chance that the BIG BOYS of the neighborhood will come to what remaines of Serbia and do the punishing themselves!!! It is time that Serbia and mother accept the reality on the ground that the neighbors have chosen their own paths & wont allow these gangs to set fires freely and at will, it is time for Serbia to accept that Kosova is gone, NO SORRY, it has been gone a long time ago!!!

observer

pre 7 godina

Sounds as if the thumb screws are on and Serbia was told that everyone sees them as being the bad guys. Instead of accepting reality, Serbia is playing its old game of denying reality and being a poor victim once more. Just pathetic...... Maybe it is time, that Serbs in the north of Kosovo, start packing and move to their holy motherland, which is not Kosovo as some still believe in sick and delusional thinking, but in a country with no future; Serbia.

EA

pre 7 godina

"talk about the Community of Serb Municipalities...." Without Serbia recognising formally Kosovo independence these kind of "talk" doesn't make any sense. The real purpose of Serbia is to have a partition of Kosovo on ethnic line and keep Kosovo under stress with "Kosovo is Serbia". The mad painted train discovered everything...

Who cares

pre 7 godina

Kosovo* = Illegal and impoverished narco entity thats ruled by terrorists and organ traffickers and is a safe haven for isis. k-albanian kosovo has no future

observer

pre 7 godina

Sounds as if the thumb screws are on and Serbia was told that everyone sees them as being the bad guys. Instead of accepting reality, Serbia is playing its old game of denying reality and being a poor victim once more. Just pathetic...... Maybe it is time, that Serbs in the north of Kosovo, start packing and move to their holy motherland, which is not Kosovo as some still believe in sick and delusional thinking, but in a country with no future; Serbia.

EA

pre 7 godina

"talk about the Community of Serb Municipalities...." Without Serbia recognising formally Kosovo independence these kind of "talk" doesn't make any sense. The real purpose of Serbia is to have a partition of Kosovo on ethnic line and keep Kosovo under stress with "Kosovo is Serbia". The mad painted train discovered everything...

Peter the Rocky Mountains

pre 7 godina

Vucic sounds like a 7 year old that was caught with his gang of seven trying to set the neighbors house on fire 🔥 having only 1 match with him!!!
Pathetic lying Chetnik runs home to mommy "being caught red handed" lying to her that he didn't do anything wrong And that it was the neighbors that are to be blamed so he won't get spanned back home for his attempts of starting a fire that would most likely have engulfed the entire neighborhood and not just his neighbors house! So now vucic and his gang of seven thugs have officially BEEN PUT ON NOTICE by the big boys which are now going to watch the neighborhood from now on!!!
This is what happens when you don't grow up and accept the realitys that you can't always be a spoiled renegade on the loose thinking you are free to do as you like with all your neighbors!!!
It's time mother back in Serbia punishes vucic and his gang of seven for their bad judgements, as she risks the very real chance that the BIG BOYS of the neighborhood will come to what remaines of Serbia and do the punishing themselves!!! It is time that Serbia and mother accept the reality on the ground that the neighbors have chosen their own paths & wont allow these gangs to set fires freely and at will, it is time for Serbia to accept that Kosova is gone, NO SORRY, it has been gone a long time ago!!!

layman22

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

Albanians from Kosovo have 0% serbian DNA. They are Albanians. There ancestors were Albanians. We are not related to serbs in any sense. The bloodline has always been albanian. Mixing with a serb would be like mixing with a gypsy. You would be shunned from your own kind. Albanians from Albania, Abanians from Kosovo and Albanians from Macedonia belong to the same race and blood. What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read. And no there will be no "love" between us either. We dont want to have ANYTHING to do with serbs. We never liked them and we will never like them in the future either. Stop insulting us with your dirty lies about "serbian" DNA. We dont mix with gypsies.

cuarteador

pre 7 godina

Vucic blasted unnamed "foreign ambassadors" for meddling in the country's internal affairs, saying that they will not be deciding "where and how our army units will be deployed."

Ok so lets analyze this:

You/Serbia can send troops and police to areas with Albanian population - and all day say they are at the ready.

But

Albanians should not send Police to Serb Areas even when there is a train coming to insult them?

I am sorry even if you want to be neutral and hear you out this is the definition of ahypocrite.

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Vucic is in a bad spot:

- He is nationalist even if he apologises and says he eat plazma and changed:
- He can not create Comunity of Serbs as a) he is process to EU b) most Serbs live SOuth of Ibar 120K vs 50K North of Ibar.
-It is election time in Serbia and there are votes to be had in Kosovo / Since Seselj is back they can not have landslide on Nationalist.

People calm down there are 4600 NATO solders in Kosovo:

No Serbian Army or Police will come to Kosovo as it means declaration of WAR.
Albanians do not need to force themselves north as they will lose support of West

Let idiots guard the bridge in winter, do not fall for 1990s propaganda as in the end they will watch war on TV vs your children perishing. Serbian Army wont pass 5Km zone without permission of NATO remember Kumanovo agreement (capitulation).

Its Friday enjoy the weekend, smile dance be active and most importantly love each other as Serbs and Albanians from Kosovo if ever did DNA would find out they are cousins after living with each other since 700 - Albanians from Kosovo have more DNA with Serbs from south Serbia than Albanians from Saranda.

We live a short short life, do not waste it in hate as it does nothing to the other person / people.

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

What is "serbian" DNA? Does that mean that many serbs have albanian blood as well? Why is only albanians who are "serbs" but serbs are never albanian. This is stupid. Serbs love fairytales and lies. Everyone knows that. They see the world in way that fits them. Anyway the Albanians in Kosovo are not serbs and neither were their ancestors. They never liked your kind. They would never mix with you.

Who cares

pre 7 godina

Kosovo* = Illegal and impoverished narco entity thats ruled by terrorists and organ traffickers and is a safe haven for isis. k-albanian kosovo has no future

PUTINlover

pre 7 godina

Vucic you crybaby ,you were not even a good ashtray boy at the Milosevic gatherings and your not even a good leader for you people .You smell whats in the air and its gagging you already

Good luck your gonna need it

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

I have no slavic relatives in my family[thank god for that!] and neither does any albanian i know. No albanian would throw away their genes on a Serb!

I want to marry a beautiful albanian girl in the future and have albanian children and keep the bloodline albanian. We albanians marry eachother no matter if we are ghegs or tosks, no matter if we are sunni,catholic,orthodox or bektashi. No matter if we are Albania, Kosovo, or Macedonia. We Albanians have eachother and we need eachother. Even the albanian diaspora still marry their own kind. Serbs are considered to be undesirable to albanians. Serbs are hated by all albanians. We dont want to mix with slavs and greeks. We want to be with our own kind :)

American Eagle

pre 7 godina

If you want to hear about other Albanians living in China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Caucasus, Europe, both Americas, Africa, Oceania ask me to help you. Word Albanian had no ethnical sence. Same about the Gypsies I can explain how and what for this people appeared everywhere.
(rote, 3 February 2017 16:40)


rote,
Please stop boring us with your bogus pseudo theories on everything from history to genetics. No one wants to read your nonsense. If this is what was taught to you at a Russian University then it is no wonder Russia is in such a sorry state. There is no such thing as "alternative truths". we call these lies.

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilboa

Who cares if nobility married eachother? 99,9% of albanians married eachother back then. They were christians, so what? They prefered to marry their own kind just like every one else. Serbs like to think that everyone in the universe is a serb, but sorry to break it for you. We are not serbs. And we are not slavs either. We have nothing to do with slavs. Slavs are monkies and nothing else. All albanians can trace their ancestors and there are no serbian relatives to be found. So the genetic tests are beyond irrelevant. Our ancestors were albanians. We are albanians and we will always be albanians. And there is nothing you serbs can do about that! A strong majority of albanians would never even think of having any relationship at all with serbs! NEVER

Peter the Rocky Mountains

pre 7 godina

Merkel wants to see Vučić as the next president and Zorana Mihajlović as the next prime minister. This ”Kosovo crisis” is orchestrated just to let Vučić act as a peacemaker, calm ”fighter of truth and justice”. Besides, the Germans are brainwashed to love islamic terrorists and hate Serbs. Poor Vučić, he is smart enough to manipulate the Serbs, but not clever enough to cheat the Germans. Serbia now needs a leader of Nikola Pašić caliber. In fact, there is one good candidate.
(D. Sven, Scandinavia, 3 February 2017 13:38)

Wrong! You need a leader the likes of Slobodan Milosevich, a Serbian savior to save the day!
Also Sven I've Brennan visiting this forum for years and have never come across any of your comments this being the first, have you left Serbia to start a new in Scandinavia a become a part time key board warrior? I think I'll call u sidelines instead of swen!!! And please enjoying your whopper or do they have a Russian equivalent there???

ManFromMountain

pre 7 godina

Solution for Kosovo/a: kick the old politicians out, support community policing that protects the interests of individuals, entrepreneurs, farmers, and other industries. Let the people trade with ordinary citizens on the other side. It is time for Balkan millennials to rule.

These countries need to reduce the influence of foreign interests. Do you think America has anyone else's best interests at heart? What about Russia? Trump is 100% America first to the point of damaging relations with Australia. Putin used Kosovo as a precedent for Crimea in his legal argument before the UN.

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

We are NOT serbs! Our ancestors were NOT serbs! We are NOT related to serbs!

Serbs are gypsies!
(layman22, 3 February 2017 15:43)

Go do a DNA check its called 23and ME and you will learn.

Yes Serbs are not same origin as Albanians but they married each other till 1400s when being christian was more important than nationality.

Ok you need to do the study before you react with Inat!

Do the DNA then study it and then look at Serb DNA and you shall see.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqWYuKvbXY]

What learn and weep!

justhetruth

pre 7 godina

Propaganda!!!????
Albanians didn't send a train or a bus saying in its wall "Vojvodina is Hungary"... so really I don't know who we need to blame for a bad judgment!!? ?because really like in black and white Albanians didn't insult no one for century's and from your one kind from 1990 to 1999 guess how many life's gone, destruction ,and separation happen can you really imagine your country its in debt above your shoulder and yes soon or later Serbia will pay doesn't matter most of the Serbian citizen don't know the real number but one day the black and white paper will be seen just remember city Gjakova/Djakovica one day will find the truth about it or maybe you and others thinking everything what happen its like writing in ice and leave it in front the sun and as it melt's everything it will disappeared... like nothing happen? all this is the real story as the story's survived for millennium's and millenniums to come they will ..

D. Sven, Scandinavia

pre 7 godina

Merkel wants to see Vučić as the next president and Zorana Mihajlović as the next prime minister. This ”Kosovo crisis” is orchestrated just to let Vučić act as a peacemaker, calm ”fighter of truth and justice”. Besides, the Germans are brainwashed to love islamic terrorists and hate Serbs. Poor Vučić, he is smart enough to manipulate the Serbs, but not clever enough to cheat the Germans. Serbia now needs a leader of Nikola Pašić caliber. In fact, there is one good candidate.

rote

pre 7 godina

Albanians from Kosovo have 0% serbian DNA. They are Albanians. There ancestors were Albanians. We are not related to serbs in any sense. The bloodline has always been albanian. Mixing with a serb would be like mixing with a gypsy. You would be shunned from your own kind. Albanians from Albania, Abanians from Kosovo and Albanians from Macedonia belong to the same race and blood. What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read.
(layman22, 3 February 2017 14:17)


"What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read". At least you are the naive of the day. Kindly see how much of the Russian R1a you both have in your happlogroups. This is why they call you Albanians i.e. people of the White (Russian) Horde and this is why Belgrade is the city of the Whites and this is why you both live on the Bal (White) Cans (Khans). See also Slavic I and Semite J happlogroups both in Serbs and the Shqiptars. If you want to hear about other Albanians living in China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Caucasus, Europe, both Americas, Africa, Oceania ask me to help you. Word Albanian had no ethnical sence. Same about the Gypsies I can explain how and what for this people appeared everywhere.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

I have a simple test for everyone's DNA to offer here for free. Watch this video and listen to this beautiful turkish song and if you smile and feel like you want to sing along with this georgian singer it means you are from the Bal Khans. The title in turkish is "Her aksham sarhosh" Her aksham votka raki ve sharap etc etc Now I made this test and it turned out I am 30% albanian 30% turk 30% greek and 10% caucasian. Ismail Qemali's wife was greek and serbs and west guys are marrying our women so this "pure albanian blood" theory is nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXn_t65MjYU

D. Sven, Scandinavia

pre 7 godina

The more exclamation marks we see in Petar the Rocky Mountains’ writings, the closer is the end of a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”government” and the closer is the end of the transitional
”albanian phase” in Kosovo. Cheers!

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Who cares if nobility married eachother? 99,9% of albanians married eachother back then. They were christians, so what? They prefered to marry their own kind just like every one else.
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Not possible as you should go do the DNA test before you speak, no one is 99.9% anything except people who live in Amazon as a primitive tribe and even they are mixed with Asians though history.

I am speaking with data you are speaking with nationalisam, there is no such thing in Europe as 99% anything.

Visava wife of Gjon Kastrioti, Mother of Skenderbeg Gjergj Kastrioti -She is mentioned in passing in two sources from the start of the 16th century. The first source, a biography on her son, mentions her as the daughter of a "Triballian nobleman", which is interpreted as her being Serbian, modern scholars pointing to the Branković dynasty. Her name is Slavic, as are several of her children's names.

So again let inat down, grab a book and a test tube spit saliva send it for analysis and come back.

By the way I am 50% Albanian with a 50% Croatian mother, so your theory is wrong in that sense!!! I should be 50 / 50 by test tube says different.

This is not guess work this is science, but if you like you can believe you are 99.9% albanian however this is not possible.

However my DNA tells me : 13% Serb, 20% Italian 30% Albanian and 30% Croatian + 4% undefined and 3% asian.
Have nice cold peja beer and relax.

Counter Revolution

pre 7 godina

a serb accusing somebody else for propaganda = hipocrisy
(Revolution, 3 February 2017 14:11)

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somebody else accusing a Serb for propaganda = hipocrisy

noire

pre 7 godina

Vucic face looks like the face of someone that does not mean his tough talk. he looks a nice peaceful guy , trying hard to steer the uneducated old serb mentality towards EU.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Joni She is albanian but thats because I am smart like thousands of greeks, italians and serbs are ;) Honest strong and sweet albanian women are some of the worlds best women. Use capital letter for God - Zoti and I dont mind if you dont use it for my nickname :)

Joni

pre 7 godina

@ zotit Skenderbe
O Zot o Zot! Kur u be edhe i biri i tetos Sander mafishtja mos ngelte burre ne kembe.. hahahaha ( shaka eee)
By the way nice to see that you have married an Albanian woman, all the Albanian men do that at least 98 %.

rote

pre 7 godina

There is no such thing as "alternative truths". we call these lies.
(American Eagle, 4 February 2017 00:55)


You have two ethnical names and heavy problems of self identification because the Illirians were Slavs. If the traditional history is so good I have two questions in one :

1/ Why do they call you Albanians and what does Albanian mean?
2/ Why do you call yourself the Shqiptare and who else call themselves animals or birds?

If you give reasonable explanations I'll ask you of the Albanians all over the world and you will have to explain plenty of toponymals and ethnonimals. Plus I'll ask you about the Russian R1a in your happlogroup.

Good Luck!

EL KHAN DAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6d3yVq1Xtw

Reader

pre 7 godina

"However my DNA tells me : 13% Serb, 20% Italian 30% Albanian and 30% Croatian + 4% undefined and 3% asian.
Have nice cold peja beer and relax."
(Bilbao, 3 February 2017 21:33)

Bilbao, I agree with you, people have mixed with each other for generations. For instance, it is a fact that Albanians and Montenegrins have mixed with each other somewhat in the more mountainous regions. One can read the books of Edith Durham to listen first hand the stories she heard from the Albanians she visited.

However, it is a bit weird to hear that genes have nationality. What does it mean "20% Italian"? Are 20% of your genes the same as genes present in the majority of the Italian people that were tested? But Italians are mixed themselves like everybody else. I would be skeptic about putting national identifiers on genes as well, there are so many things already that are tainted with national identifiers and are causing stupid problems for people.

rote

pre 7 godina

Puppy : Why is only albanians who are "serbs" but serbs are never albanian. This is stupid. Serbs love fairytales and lies.

It's quite natural that neighbors get mixed as life goes on. But all of us were fed with false fairy tales. If you read sceptically the stories of Kastriotti or Obilic or anybody else you will find them very suspicious. Not to hurt any of the sides let's take history of someone else.

Say Tamerlane means Lame Timur coz he was wounded in his left knee. When his grave was opened in 1941 everybody saw it was so. But if you read his story you will find that he was wounded when he was stealing cattle. Even if so this man ruled half the world and he had his own historians who could not write such a BS.

Another story is about Prophet Mohammad. We are told that he suffered losses after he had to abandon Medina where he had real estate. So he desided to compensate his losses and robbed a caravan from Medina. It is total idiotism to tell us stories that the prophet who contacted Jabrail and Allah himself was so greedy and blood thirsty that he killed people for material things ...

Such stories could be written only by someone who hated both Tamerlane and Mohammed. So talking serious about fantastic Scanderbeg or the "Serbian" aristocracy that vanished in 1380 is very naiive. Best if we try to decode the past together.

Olsi

pre 7 godina

Elections coming soon in Serbia and also in Albania. The usual herd of sheep needs the usual patriotic dose. I'm ok with this strategy if it works to get more votes from the radicals. Just saw that Kurir was starting to have "the things". That's good. T'fala & Hvala!

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : it means you are from the Bal Khans ...

I am pleased that you've used this form so I grant you with the list of the states that existed in Europe in late 16 century :

1. Velikaya Perm (aka Bjarma) = central Europe with Germany
2. Velikoe Kniazhestvo Ungarskoe = Hungary, Austria, north of Italy
3. Velikoe Kniazhestvo Bulgarskoe = Balkans
4. Batica (Vatica, Vjatka) = everything south of Rome + Spain+ Portugal + part of France
5. Velikoe Gerzogstvo Kentyiskoe = Britain

that's all !

As for the Bal Can you may compare it with name Stanbul = Stan Bulgar = Place of the Bulgars. Before mid 16 century when the disorder time started in Rus the peninsula was submitted directly to Veliki Novgorod. But then to save the Orthodox peoples from the German Protestants the Orthodox Rus Sultans had to take care of the Balkans. All of you remember 19 century but in 15-17 century the Atamans/Ottomans were quite different.

Anyway words Balkan and (I)stanbul come together. You will die of laughter if you read all 6 versions of the Istanbul toponymal in Wikipedia. In fact it is composed of two Russian words = Place of the Bulgars = Place of the Whites. Because Volga (Valga, Balga,Belga) means White so Bulgars were Whites = Albanians = White Horde.

By the way Tirana (TRN) = Turan (TRN) ... Also I have an idea how the Caucasian Albania could be connected with the Alans. Next time ...

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

It's an old Georgian film by Georgy Danelia. In the very end an old woman asked DOES THIS ROAD LEADS TO THE CHURCH? When she heard a negative respond she asked new question WHAT FOR A ROAD IS NEEDED IF IT DOESN'T LEAD TO A CHURCH? (ЗАЧЕМ НУЖНА ДОРОГА, КОТОРАЯ НЕ ВЕДЕТ К ХРАМУ?) Good words I think.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

Muslims prayed in the Orthodox churches before 17 century. The first evidence of a mosque belongs to a French map of Stanbul of 1572. I've read Quran twice and I can write and read the first Sura. I went into mosques in many countries ect. But I am a dissident about Islam that was part of Christianity before 1613. Of course it was a separate branch but it was closer to the Orthodox than the Catholics in 16 century.

It was the time when both Islam and Christianity were transformed and they went different directions. Orthodox Khans/Kniazes could have 4 legal wives and Harems. Harem aka Гарем was a Russian Терем aka castle/temple ... Then it was also used as Harram for forbidden things. As you must know in Islam all deeds are divided for 4 groups - forbidden, not recomended, recomended, obligatory. So temple of Kniaz was a forbidden/harram place to enter.

Drinking alcohol was forbidden in late 17 century after the Muslims were oblidged to pray 5 times a day. Because one could not talk to Allah without crear mind. Islam became religion of the Ottomans whose empire was much bigger than we are told. Islam appeared in Kazan and Sunnah describes events in this region. Kaaba meteorite fell down in 1421 in Yaroslavl aka Veliki Novgorod. First Kaaba was near Kazan as well as the Zam Zam well. Then during the Mameluke conquest parts of the Kaaba were taken to Hidjaz. In Muslims books there are no dates so Joseph Scaliger appointed Hijjra time for the year of 622.

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : For example, no archeological evidence exists that supports the Fomenko fantasies, Albanian link to Illyrians and FYROM Slavs to Alexander the Great. Albanians are gypsy nomads ...

1. There are plenty of archeological, documental , genetical, philological and many other kinds of proof of the "fantasies" and I am ready to start placing them if b92 doesn't mind. In the first link Putin talks about the Battle of Kulikovo. He says that both sides were composed of the Russians who used the Tatar cavalry as their main striking force. According to Fomenko Tatars were the regular army/horde of the Empire and the battle happened in the place where lately Moscow was built. Dead bodied were burried 8 meters deep in 1 monastery and 6 churches built for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8JWEx6PXh4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kulikovo
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_30.html#the31
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_26.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html
http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

2/ Gypsies were a caste of the Great Horde who looked after the Roman roads. We can talk about it.

3/ If the Shqiptars were Albanians i.e. were part of the Great Horde they definitely were nomads because all Cossacks were nomads. For your information a horse needs 3 times more of hay than a cow. So the hordes were mobile. They just had ti migrate especially in winter times. Simply because each warrior had 2-3 horses.

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks"

4/ Historical Turks and the current Turks have little in common. As a Greek you should better know such things at least because current Turks are of Greek orygin in a big degree. Do I have to tell you how Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian Tatars to invent the Turkish language in 1923? Do I have to tell you the comedy of how the ABSOLUTELY NEW LANGUAGE was implemented since 1932? Do I have to tell you about the tragedy of 1942 when all the Greeks, Armenians, Slavs, Kurds, Arabs ect. were declared as Turks. They had to change their names and family names for the offered list of Turkish names so Armen Petrosian became Altin Effendi and Manolis Papandopolus became Abdullah Gulzade ... They could jail you for singing a Greek song or talking Greek in the street ... Do you want to know the difference between the Great Osmani language and the ugly Turkish or do you want to know how far the Rus Sultans (in fact Padishahs) were from what you call Turks ? In one other links that I gave you there's a separate article about the meanings of this Russian word.

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 7 godina

This is correct. Western covert intelligence organizations will try to provoke Serbia by stepping up ethnically motivated attacks against non-Albanian minorities in Kosovo (as well as the other surrounding regions).

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Rote I am afraid of two things in my life and one of those two things is these questions full of wisdom that these old women like my late muslim grandmother do! It is so hard to reply to them and there's a risk one remains like a foolish child in front of them. Good questions there's nothing bad in going to church or mosque as long as they teach us to live in peace I think.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Of course the Balkans have "mixed" with other nationalities, some more so than others. What do you expect when the Ottomans invaded the Balkans for 500 Years? The problem is that you have some crazy Russian on here who mixed up history with genealogy based on historical revisionist Anatoly Fomenko.

For example, no archeological evidence exists that supports the Fomenko fantasies, Albanian link to Illyrians and FYROM Slavs to Alexander the Great.

Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks" who are nothing more than converted Serbs or Croats.

Skenderbeu 1444

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@ Yugosllavia Some enscriptions on Illyrian graves can be explained only through albanian language and that is archeological evidence. We are not gypsy nomads as albanoi tribe was described from a greek historian ages ago and it was located in Durres and Tirana. But we are not solving nothing here and life would be less interesting if we cant discuss on these issues. You sound like Enver Hoxha when he condemned Tito and then Hrushov and then chinese leaders to be revisionists!

rote

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Jugoslavija : Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks" who are nothing more than converted Serbs or Croats.

5/ As for the Bosniaks it's easy to judge them now. But we don't know under what sircumstances and when they changed their belief. If it happened in 16-17 centuries it wasn't a crime yet. Because both religions still remembered of their joint Christian craddle. At least if Zaporozhie Cossacks turned to serve to the Surltans it wasn't a treason in Russia in 17 century ... The Sultans simply were bigger Russians than the Romanovs and their only diplomatic language before 19 century was Slovenski (old Serbian) ... Then it was replaced by Greek language. Thus Slovenski and Greek were the only languages that the "Turks" used for international relations. The treaties were signed only in these two languages without interpretation to other languages. During Tanzimat period in late 19 century French was also used as diplomatic language but never Osmani ...

Jugoslavija

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@ Yugosllavia Some enscriptions on Illyrian graves can be explained only through albanian language and that is archeological evidence. We are not gypsy nomads as albanoi tribe was described from a greek historian ages ago and it was located in Durres and Tirana.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 6 February 2017 22:01)

Your talking about Ptolemy who said there is an Alvonai ancient tribe. But there is also discussion about the Scythians discussed by Herodotus linked to Albanians. Some have even linked the Serbs to the Scythians. There is no denying that Albanians an old tribe and civilization equal to the age of the Greeks, but the links to "Illyria" are not irrefutable.

I really don't have much appreciation for Tito or Hoxha. However, Tito was not a nationalist as so many historians try to incorrectly portray him. Milosevic was Ivan Stambolic and Josip Broz Tito's pupil and not a nationalist as well contrary to what mainstream media tries to portray.

rote

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Skenderbeu

I do plus one more language that uses Arabic letters. I dont know Arabic although but I understand about 40% of the words. By the way word WHITE is ABEL in Arabian so the Russian rootes (A-BEL) are apparent.In 15 century this artificial language was used only in Russia and in the Misr/Egypt Sultanate of the Mamelukes.

In the famous Journey Beyond Three Seas Afanasy Nikitin used several languages of the Horde - Rus, Turkic=Tatar, Persian and Arabian. What is interesting he never translates from one language to another as he believes that the reader knows all of them. Another interesting thing is that he prays as a Rus Orthodox but the next moment he prays as a good Muslim reading Suras from Quran. All because he saw no contradiction in it. Some of his Muslim prayer are in Arabian some in Tatar/Turkic because at the time Arabian wasn't the only language of Islam yet. It happened later in 17 century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_Beyond_Three_Seas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasy_Nikitin

Persian phrases in the book show that the language wasn't formed yet. At least they differ much from the current language and it is strange to read them in Cyrillic ...

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rote

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Skenderbeu

end of the comment

Persian is the most beutiful of the languages that I know. If you listen how they speak or sing you stop doing anything else. They smack and enjoy their language spelling every sound ... Like Arabian and Latin the Persian was an artificial language invented for literature, science and history. That's why in Central Asia they have severe problems of identification of poets and scientists who all wrote Persian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB3NZu96GGk

PS

I've read Quran interpreted to Russian by Krachkovski as it is the the best one here. Current version of Quran was printed in Europe during Suleiman The Magnificent. Unlike the Christian saint books Qurans all over the world are similar that could happen only if the oryginals were delivered to every mosque for further copying.

It's a big theme to start now but the version available is composed under one single logic THE BIGGESt PHRASES ARE BROUGHT TO THE BEGINING AND THE SHORTER A PHRASE IS THE CLOSER IT IS TO THE END OF QURAN ... This composition cannot be oryginal ... That's why it is so difficult to understand Quran without Tasfir ...

Skenderbeu 1444

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Rote: Thank you for your sincere reply. I started reading Quran years ago and then I gave up because I felt like a hypocrite as I understood religion is not for me. Maybe I am an agnosticist as many albanians say, as I believe we cant understand God. But I am not a complexed muslim and in this world where muslims are called backward and terrorist I have no problems to say that my family religion is muslim as my last name is. Now regarding that old lady's words there's a whole philosophy there but that is all about russians. Your people brain works as motor turbo diesel and thats scary and I have no words other then admiration Kapella!

Skenderbeu 1444

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@ Jugoslavia I was referring to that alvanoi tribe described by Ptolemy and that is the only proof we have we have been in this area along with greeks. What happened before or after cant be irrefutable because of thousands of reasons. Of course we never painted a cave and thats true but that could also mean that we have always been fighting to survive. We were not a consolidated entity and maybe yes we were always moving as nomads. But the core part was there, we didnt come from the caucas' albania not because I want this to be true but for the simple reason that such a massive movement of people would have been noticed by either greek or turkish archives. I have also been thinking about the fact that Srb, Shqiptar, Skythians, all start with "S" letter, I know it is a stupid thing to tell but who knows. What do you think?

rote

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Skenderbeu : we didnt come from the caucas' albania

Your Albanian name is not because you came from Caucasus but because there were lots of Albanias worldwide. You also don't have to be ashamed of the word Caucasian because it's a rather proud name here. There are two sorts of Caucasians who differ much. In South Caucasus there's only one people the Armenians who can equally good fight and trade. Georgians and Azerbaijan people are peceful peasants. Quite different are Northern Caucasians whose ancestors belonged to the caste of the warriors. The best unit in the Tsar army was the Savage Division and so was during the USSR when 2 out of 3 batalions in the Brest Fortress were composed of the Caucasians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_Fortress

Now about the Caucasian Albany. They say it was a union of some 26 tribes in central and western Caucasus. All of them including the Chechens were Albanians i.e. part of the White Horde. Now we also had some Alania in the western and central Caucasus i.e. almost the same lands. Those were Rus Princes of Cherkassy, the Adiga and Ossetian tribes. Thus we have two parallel multinational unions on the same lands - the Albanians (Alban) and the Alanians (Alan) whose names differ only one letter ... As a matter of fact Albans were part of the Beli Horde but we know for sure that the Alans were Mamelukes i.e. also the Whites/Alban/Beli

rote

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Skenderbeu : Srb, Shqiptar, Skythians, all start with "S" letter

No idea of the Shqiptars - may it derive from the two headed eagle that was coat of arms of the Komnins to whom Jesus/Isa belonged and that became one of the symbols of the Whites since Ivan III. Word Srb quite can be Sbr = Siabri = north western Russians = mainland White Horde. Word Scyth = Skit is a pure Russian word = living place far from cities and villages. As you know the Horde's Cossacks were nomads and they settled on the borders far from common people.

According to Fomenko Quran is a form of the old Bible. I've spent half of my life among the Muslims who believed that the God is one (la illahi il ala) and so do I. Each time I can see how Muslims misbehave I pray Oh Lord forgive them as they don't know what they are doing. I personally live in harmony with Islam because I know it for sure that it came out of our house. By the way Muslims are still allowed to pray in the churches if there's no mosque nearby and if the Christians don't mind.

One funny story happened to me in the Caucasus. An Ingush asked me WHERE'S MECCA HERE and I said I DON'T KNOW WHERE MECCA IS BUT WHEN THE INGUSH PRAY THEY LOOK IN THIS DIRECTION. He was so happy to cry out THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO KNOW ! Those who kill crying Allah Akbar are not Muslims. With the same success they could use books of comics or NYT Magazine instead of Quran-i Sharif. By the way both Quran and Bible mean the same - READING.

rote

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If there were many different albanians and albania's in the world for whatever reasons (various hordes) we distinguished ourselves because we could understand each other. So Kapella Im afraid your Fomenkin will be the future Tesla in historiography.

(Skenderbeu 1444, 8 February 2017 18:32)

He already is ! Please read the link I permanently leave for you and you will receive a plain and clear vision of the past. Read just this one book and see 24 films of the New Chronology to understan who we all are. It will blow up your mind but in the end you will become calm and self sufficient. When you have the tool you'll be able to make your own investigations like I do it when I have time. You will discover things that you were passing bye without paying any attention.

Once I started to search for the footprints of the Slavic Conquest last year. Even after Hitler changed some 1200 Slavic toponymals there are still plenty of them in Germany. So his Barbarossa (Russian Barbar) Operation also had a Rus name. I personally found above 1000 toponymals, names and ethnonymals all over the world. They directly point at the Slavic conquest where some other peoples took part too.

With word WHITE I've got above 200 such names on all continents. So if you are interested I'll start placing them here. It will take time because without my explanation you will not accept them.

2 more parts

rote

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Skenderbeu -2

As an introduction I have to tell you once again that before paper became available in 16 century all maps, books and documents were written on parchment that was VERY expensive. So on all written languages they wrote only the consonant sounds. Say word ALBA/WHITE looked LB ect.

But the oryginal word was Rus BELI (BL) = BALI (BL). In 1382 Rus Horde of the White Khan Dmitry I Ivanovich (killed in Kosovo) sent a big horde of the Cherkassy Princes and Caucasians to replace the Kurds in Misr/Cairo/Egypt. They became known as the Mamelukes. Egypt meant not only the current state of Egypt but north of Africa + Iraq+Syria + Lebanon + Sudan.

Mamelukes needed a code to communicate the far away hordes and mainland Rus. So the "arabic" letters and language were invented. Mamelukes too wrote only the consonant sounds. But it was hard to read such letters so they had to invent also HARAKAT notes that you can see in Quran below and above the words. Harakats show what sound is missing between the consonant letters or that there's no sound at all.

Very often Rus text were misintepreted while written in Arabian. So Rus ЛБ/LB was written as Arabian BL (backward). Then somebody who did not knew the oryginal word BELI filled the word with wrong sounds. So BL first turned into Arabian LB and then was filled with prefix A and became ALB. Later with the Ladino language (old Spanish = Sefardi Jewish) it reached Spanish colony of the Whites and became Alba = White.

rote

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Skenderbeu

I searched for the footprints of the Horde using the following marker words :

1/ BELI = white, bali, alba, abel, albi, balt, balta, ak, ok, aka
2/ KHAN = cahn, can, cannes, kan, kam, chamme, cam, cal, kal, kol, col ...
3/ RUS = russ, ross, rossi, rosso, urosh, rosh, rash ...
4/ ORDA = horde, arta, port, p-orta, k-orda, urdu, ordu ...
5/ GAL = halle, hall, galli, gala, gauls ...

ect.

Among 1100 words that I've found during 2 months there were some 210 mentionings of the Whites aka Albanians. I am ready to sort them out for you. Because word Albanian belonged to the White Horde only. It marked the military forse that gave names to the main rivers, seas, ports, mountains and other places for only one reason - to let everybody know who is the master here.

So when we are told that Mehmet II sieged Belgrade and was killed here they are kidding us. Because Mehmet II was a Rus and himself was of the White Horde so Belgrade already belonged to him. Most likely he was killed and burried in Samarkand as Tamerlane.

Same with Skenderbeu who as they say withstanded Mehmet II Fatih with his miserable 300 buffalo soldiers ... Total strength of the hordes under Mehmet II could reach 500 000 - 700 000 of professional warriors. His empire was many times bigger than they paint it on their maps now.

So I am starting to place the white-albanians that I've found last year. I'll be placing them where I see your comments.

rote

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But I dont think Fomenkin needs this kind of publicity. He needs to talk to the scientific comunity first and then to the public.

(Skenderbeu 1444, 9 February 2017 08:15)

The problem is that the historians become histerians when it comes to tht New Chronology of Fomenko and Nosovsky. They avoid meeting them in public discussions calling names with zero proof. Their problem is that Anatoly Fomenko is one of the 5-10 most outstanding mathematicians of the world. So the label of the insane does not stick to him. My problem here is that I have to retell you his books while I would prefer you to read them in the originals. Read at leasr the reconstruction of history by him !

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

+ his 24 films

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMplPvA7k&list=PLQqYFITJNSJlzUpvNnUcFGRYMCUK5IqBq

Skenderbeu 1444

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Rote: There must not be any hysteria about Fomenkin reconstruction of history. He is on his own right to revise history and sincerely I think that the fact that russians have the time to focus on these issues means that things are running good in your country. Mine is the second most abandoned country in Europe and I just met a friend of mine who wants me to join him in Canada. Emigrate Rote with all my family. So this is the fate God reserved to your dear albanians of the white and blue and golden hordes. I will always read your comments and your toponyms though till the day it will be possible for me. I dont believe in historians and I believe in exact sciences as we call physics and mathematics here. Good luck to Fomenkin!

rote

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Skenderbeu

See how Europe looked like before 13 century !

http://chronologia.org/kak_reconstruction/im/003.jpg

Like Rus it was all fems (colonies) of the Romeys and what is most important BALKANS WERE METROPOLIS OF THE EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But the West persuaded you that all of you were slaves. In fact the West were slaves because all those France, Germany, Spain ect appeared in 17 century only and for another 100-150 years remained colonies of the Rus Atamans/Ottomans/Getmans.

rote

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYIIPkzdEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95VbDD0N60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0jd_EJ2OIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc&list=PLJ3bfiZSEyyCmWsnhzn9DnrQ6ZhA5yJiV
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fomenko+nosovsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Thfip4Owz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0yKN8r0UXw&list=PLOZkTl5YIKO2-3lqwmCYh3bHk4OmU6dby
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D1%85%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F

rote

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By the way Rote is it true that Putin has invited Europe's Jews to buy land and invest in Russia? Also is it true that Russians are buying land in Siberia as it is expected to have a great economic growth?

(Skenderbeu 1444, 9 February 2017 18:40)

He often meets the Jewish Ravvins and last year they showed it over the central TV that the French Jews complained to him about the rise of anti-semitism in that country. Then Putin told them to come together to Russia. It dissapointed Nethanjahu because he made a similar invitation. I personally would prefer them to go to Africa because there are too many of them here. Yet attracting the rich Jews may be interesting for any country but a Muslim one. We are a partly Muslim state and a member of the Islamic Conference but we have no big problems with anti-semitism. As for Siberia I've heard something like that. But it was only one region of Altai where Shoigu is from. They say that in case of any cathaclisms it will be the safest place to live. You know Jews are something that you have to deal with. No matter what you feel about them or where you live or what you do ... Some day I'l tell you my/Fomenko's version how it happened that they became so important.

rote

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Emigrate Rote with all my family. So this is the fate God reserved to your dear albanians of the white and blue and golden hordes.

I love Russia and I am proud to be part of it. But many people simply had no choice and had to abandon their homes and their graves. I am not giving advice in such matters. But I'll give you plenty of the toponymals that I've promised. Many of them are in America (Amer-i Can) and Canada (Can Arda).

Skenderbeu 1444

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Rote: I watched two of them and will watch the others. Have difficulties to keep up with so much information these guys provide but I'm also improving my english!

rote

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Skenderbeu 1

Some of the film were deleted and are available only in the Russian version. By the way in film 12 they gives their reconstruction of the history. Same as the book HOW IT WAS IN REALITY but in a more friendly and short form. The book appeared last year while the films are several years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taep7YlDUv4&list=PLnTS27XHJSnBKq_FAJFB_QYZUVNcp4Q0f RUSSIAN

Use their site as Wikipedia. If you are interested in Alexander the Great seek for Macedon. Then try Skanderbey, Ptolemy ect. Not nesessarily you will find what you want because they did not work over 17-th century and they had no special works for Alexander. But they have English versions of many their books.

http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

Read about Tamerlane and Mehmet II who most likely were one man hated in the West. In one of their latest works they came to a conclusion that his Russian name was Ivan II Vasilievic The Terrible. In the Russian history we have two such Tsars. Both Grozny/Terrible, both Vasilievic and both Ivans. In fact Grozny was only one of them Ivan III aka Mehmet/Tamerlane died in 1481.

They tell us that pieces of biographies of the 3 were mixed sometimes. Say the Ottoman Sultan Selim I Yavuz lived parallel to Ivan III while his Yavuz title also measns Grozny/Terrible ... Besides for 3 years he was hiding in the North Caucasus among the Adig people called Cherkess in the ME.

rote

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Skenderbeu

You know Turkish history is better than what we are offered by the West but you can't trust them either. For other reasons they too "improved" their history many times. So Selim could simply spend his time in Veliki Novgorod ... On the other hand after he became Sultan he grated his savior the Kabarda Prince Inal ( Mameluke) a fort that is still the pride of Temrjuk city of Russia.

Unfortunately we have to decode history now. But the theory of Fomenko is gaining hearts and minds very fast. So there's a hope. He was born in Donbass so even after 50 years in Moscow he has a spesific south Russian pronouncing. Gleb Nosovski is his right hand last 30 years and he goes to the Staroobrjadsky Church while Fomenko calls himself agnostic. I like this church too but I hesitate ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers

By the way I begin to think that the Caucasian version of the Shqiptar history is not so bad. Not because of the word Albania but because of the J1 and J2 happlogroup of yours. As far as I can remember the biggest concentration of these two sister happlogroups is in Dagestan and Chechnia ...

I am very sceptic about the ancient Balkan history as in 15 century because of the severe epidemy Horde cleaned south of Europe including Balkans. They killed Horde's people of the diseased lands and inhabited them with new peoples from Rus. So I think it was 15th century that all of you appeared there.

Skenderbeu 1444

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Also Rote is there any spiritual need your church doesnt fullfill so that you want to become a raskolnik now? Look, Islam also has these "old believers" and I think they are those wahabi guys with their long beards and short pants who have flooded our mosques in these years. They believe they are the old believers and maybe they are right. Maybe Jihad is there in Quran. On the other hand, when I declare myself as an agnosticist Im aware Im being a little bit of a coward. I am afraid of God so I dont declare myself as an atheist but in fact I couldn't care less about God and religion as I dont understand these mysticism stories. Best thing to do is to stick to our parents religion although in a formal way unless we choose our own but not as a new or old trend but just because that helps our spirituality if and only if we have one.

rote

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1.

Of course there's sensorship in the web! Many Russian politicians are switched off in Facebook or Twitter. See what they write about Fomenko in Wikipedia! He is undermining the whole ideology of the western superiority where Europe and Greece are the only sources of progress.

In fact everything was quite the opposite. Europeans had no baths or normal toilets. French king was shitting into a hole on the 3 floor while noble French was doing the same on the second looking up not to receive the excriments on his head.

That's why the Silky way was so important. All insects feared natural silk and quite a few people in Europe could afford a silky pants to their wives to escape diseases. Because silk was a monopoly of the Horde so most Cossacks were dressed in it.

Industrial production of soap appeared only in 18 century so the French invented parfume to odor their smelling bodies. Ludovic-16 was bathing only twice in his life because the doctors insisted. All the rest of his life he used a special scraper to scrap off the dirt from his body like the rest of the French did. By the way he had Ossetian G2a happlogroup ...

In 14-18 centuries Caucasus and Small Asia (Turkey) were almost one. Caucasians were a priviledged group in the Ottoman Empire. In 18-19 centuries 17 out of 21 Pashas had Caucasian roots. See how many Caucasian toponymals still Turkey have.

rote

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2.

In 14-18 centuries Caucasus and Small Asia (Turkey) were almost one. Caucasians were a priviledged group in the Ottoman Empire. In 18-19 centuries 17 out of 21 Pashas had Caucasian roots. See how many Caucasian toponymals still Turkey have. Most often they took part in the wars that the Kurd led against Persia. In two weeks they could reach almost any part of the empire.

When I was in Alanya the first time a local guide explained the toponymal after some Ali Mohammad that I laughed at. Because Caucasus was the stronghold of the Alans. When in 19 century the Caucasian Cherkess people had to run to Turkey the locals accepted them as gods.

Cossacks were the army of the Horde. Like word Albanian it had no ethnical meaning though some 80% of them had Slavic orygins. Using word Rusian is not correct before 19 century when this nation was formed.

Concerning J1 and J2 I wasn't interested much but I know that the two biggest Shqiptar groups have about 40-45% of this Semite happlogroup. It looks rather natural as Caucasus-Ukraine- Balkans- North Italy- France- Spain was the line where Slavs met and got mixed with the Semites. The biggest concentration of J1 and J2 I saw in Dagestan. I may be wrong although so one have to check it.

rote

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I've started to place toponimals and other names concerning the white-albanians and i informed you ... but i placed the note on the same page where the lists are now ... so please go to

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100482

Concerning religion those are heavy questions ... Anyway before 17 century Islam was part of the Orthodox church. It wasn't created as a new religion but was a reaction to what the Protestants and later the Catholics and yet later the Greeks were doing to Christianity.

Even today Jesus/Isa is mentioned in Quran 27 times while Mohammad himself only 4 times. Why do you think they forbid translation of Quran to other languages? for the same reasons the Catholics forbade reading the Bible before 20-th century.

After the books were adopted to the new ideologies in Europe and the Ottoman Empire lots of questions began to arise. So in Europe one could not keep or even read the Bible without a priest by his side and even Royals feared the Inquisition. After 450 years and was ended only in 1960-th

That's why they prayed Latin that no woman has ever spoke. This language was invented in late 14 century by St. Stephan Stephan in Great Perm Princedom (Germany and the neighborhood) and he is most respected in Austria now. Initially it was designed for medicine so that doctors all over the Horde could understan one another. But later Latin was also used for religion, histiography and jurisdiction.

rote

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No matter what Balkan peoples think Russia became part of the Protestants and Catholics since 1613 when the Romanovs came to power. (But in 19 century the Romanovs became Russians. ) So the sultans had to secure themselves and they introduced Quran as a separate religion better explaining the same things.

If you read the biographies of the Sultans you will find that only about Mehmet II they say that he was much interested in theology issues. Quite natural for the Prophet but it was Suleiman who formed the new laws of Shariat. That's why they call him Qanyni = Zakonnik. In fact Qanuni means Khan Uni = General Khan = Great Khan.

The long and the short of it is that both religions suffered the same diseases. If you have noticed Russia appeares in the Turkish history only in 17 century and so is Turkey/Ottomans in the Russian one. Strange isn't it? All because before that those were one empire so there could be no relations between them.

I try to delay answering your questions so one last thing for today. Why do you think the English chosed the Saudis as their partners after they defeated the Mamelukes in 1811 ? Because the ideology of the Wakhabis was what the Brits needed.

The Saudis divided the Muslims for the good and the bad ones. And they believed that one could take property, wives, children or even lives of the bad ones. Exactly what the Brits did in their colonies ... So they found one another.

Jugoslavija

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4/ Historical Turks and the current Turks have little in common. As a Greek you should better know such things at least because current Turks are of Greek orygin in a big degree. Do I have to tell you how Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian Tatars to invent the Turkish language in 1923? l
(rote, 6 February 2017 22:22)

Doesn't make sense Rote as my Great Great Grandmother came from Asia Minor Turkey, she only spoke Turkish and was there far before 1923. She however was Greek with all it's traditions that are currently followed in the province of Macedonia, Greece.

You might also want to consider a region called Zogaldak, located in the Black Sea of Turkey. It was a large coal and mining town and was literally run by joint venture of Turks and Serbs in the 17, 18 and 19th century. By the way, Zogaldak has an uncanny appearance to the Montenegrin Coast, could it be that the Serbs migrated from the Black sea coastal regions to Southeastern Europe?

Jugoslavija

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@Rote

Miners and the State in the Ottoman Empire
The Zonguldak Coalfield 1822-1920

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1845451341/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=36XKG3GFDQM8T&coliid=I152KIAGUN238N

Remind you of Montenegro?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&FORM=IGRE

Skenderbeu 1444

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@ Rote When you say that you have read Quran twice you mean you've read it in arabic, turkish or russian translation if I can ask you this question. You know arabic language in order to write and read the first Sura? Is there any proof that muslims and ortodox were branches of same religion? I have great respect for people who know eastern languages as I would never learn arabic or turkish language as they both look too difficult to me. You also know farsi persian Rote?

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija

When you speak of 17-18 centuries I fail to see difference between Serbs and Rus people. It appeared in 19 century because the fate of this part of the Rus was different from mainland's one. Rus were the biggest of the divided peoples. 5% of their land was seized by the Germans who used Romanov trade mark here. Step by step they destroyed all other Rus states while Slavs in Europe found shelter under the Osmani umbrella. Also remember that national issue was not so importand in the old times as the whole world was submitted to the Rurikovici who were gods as they thought. Language also wasn't so important as there were several artificial languages to ease communication. Some believe that Turkic aka Tatar was one such because peoples who speaks the dialects of this language have no joint ancestor and even belong to different races. I saw two Greeks trying to explain themselves. Both were sure that they spoke Greek although one sounded rather Turkic. 10% of the current Turks have Turkic/Tatar origin so you may have Russian happlogroups as well. Just remember that the Turkish language is about 80 years old and it has little to do with the Osmani language that was a street language for centuries and since 19 century was used for official documents too. Your grandmother spoke Turkic/Tatar because Turkish appeared in 1932-45 only. She could see no difference as the new language was based on Tatar language.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I wish we could be the successors of Caucasians as we all know that they are very brave and glorious fighters. Unfortunately we are not as the average albabian is very pacific and doesn't think about war. If you could know albanians you could understand that these people have been christianized in early ages so they endure everything in a stupid and pacific way. Plus we have many vlachs living in our area and they are also very pacific people. I wish we could be from the Caucasus but these sheep of mine are not used to say my grandmother!

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: Ive been thinking about this day and night and also asked a neighbor of mine who is professor of history. There are two theories about origins of name shqiptar/Shqiperi. The one is the eagle of the coat of arms of Skenderbeu (shqipe/shqiponje is eagle) the other one is more accredited. "Shqip" as language derives not from the eagle but from verb "shquaj" - distinguish in clear way, so when we say to each other "fol shqip" it doesnt mean speak albanian, but speak in a clear way. Continues

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

So from "shqip" the language which is clear to me derived shqiptar - albanian etnicity and Shqiperi (Albania) and it doesnt mean the land where eagles take a rest. This is more accurate theory as our linguists say. Now this is very important if we relate it to your explanation of the international name for albanians. If there were many different albanians and albania's in the world for whatever reasons (various hordes) we distinguished ourselves because we could understand each other. So Kapella Im afraid your Fomenkin will be the future Tesla in historiography.

HELLENIC SWORD

pre 7 godina

@Skenderbeu 1444

+PRINCEPS EPIRI ET ALBANIAE
"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.

HELLENIC SWORD

pre 7 godina

@Skenderbeu 1444


"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.

rote

pre 7 godina

part-3

Arabian for Libya is same as in English bit suffix YA/IA is a pure European for places and countries. Thus we have remaining LUB (LB) that is exactly our BELI.

Same with Lebanon whose Arabian name is LUBNAN. Europeans just added sound E. Anyway in old documents it could be written as LBN or LBNN. Here I have to tell you that AN is the multiple form for the animates. Persian in a great degree formed the Arabian language. Thus we have LB=BL and AN as multiple form. Altogether it makes WHITES= BELI= ALBANIANS.

If you study toponymals in the two mentioned states and in their neighborhood you will find many other toponymals openly showing at the Rus or Turkic oryginals.

I don't know how good I explain it but there must be some preliminary theoretical knoledge before we move forward. If it is interesting you will also have to remember letters and sounds that were often got mixed. One would say SALT and the others will hear sounds A or O and so will they write it down. Just remember several combinations of sounds that were mixed. Such as U/O, S/TS, A/O, B/P ect. Some letters like V/U/W were mixed too because grammar wasnt stabile yet.

Now if you are still interested I'll be placing words meaning White explaining why it means Albanian. In many cases Albanian form is used in others they were based on Russian or Turkic languages.

rote

pre 7 godina

misprintted as :

So Rus ЛБ/LB was written as Arabian BL (backward).

read as :

So Rus БЛ/BL was written as Arabian LB (backward).

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I have a degree in physics and I am afraid I cant follow you when you compare languages. Besides this Fomenkin needs to provide proof on who manipulated the history and for which reasons. Otherwise this is nice theory as nice as the official one is. I don't know but your method of making publicity of this is like west does for commercial products. But I dont think Fomenkin needs this kind of publicity. He needs to talk to the scientific comunity first and then to the public.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Hellenic sword: I didnt know that Ptolemy's Geography has been declared an apocryphal gospel text in Greece. So if it doesnt fit your narrative the text doesnt exist? As I wrote I would be more than happy if it is true that we came from the Caucasians lands. Hellenic sword there is just one and only one proof for a nation to show if it is ancient or not and that is being wise nation today, in our modern times. I admit greeks are the smartest persons ive ever met. If I admit that Im under the bridge and dumb, are you happy?

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

By the way Rote is it true that Putin has invited Europe's Jews to buy land and invest in Russia? Also is it true that Russians are buying land in Siberia as it is expected to have a great economic growth?

J

pre 7 godina

"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.
(HELLENIC SWORD, 8 February 2017 22:09)

They may or they may not. Let's take your word for a bit. We know about them because other ancient writers picked up on them. Just like we know about the contents of burned books from the library of Alexandria.

Second- The root of the Albanian language is not Turkic nor does it have any roots from the languages of the Caucasus.

Third- The incidence of ancient Greek words in the Albanian language places it in the region.

Fourth- There is no respected historian that has described the mass migration of the Albanian people. They do describe the mass migration of the Slavs.

Fifth- For such a small population to have migrated from the Caucasus and to have taken some prime real estate lands is non-sensical. Especially when the rivaling theory states that Slavs came first. Yet we took all this land in the Adriatic and Ionian away from them with a much much smaller population.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Why were the films deleted? New censura I think. What about J1 and J2 in turks' haplogroups? Also, caucasians have some asiatic features like kazak folks but maybe Im wrong. We dont what do you think?

rote

pre 7 godina

I've never heard about old believers in Islam though it would be natural if we consider how many times Islam was misinterpreted. Raskolnik aka Splitter in Russia is a bit different think. Because the text of Quran has never been changed since it was first printed in Europe in 16 century. Changes were made only in Sunnah and Tasfir. Meanwhile during Patriarch Nikon in 17 century the Romanovs made a severe attempt to change the ideology of Christianity as a whole. But the church did not let them do it. So when Nikon died Tsar Alexey Mikhailovic had to do the burial services by himself. Russian church has always been part of the state so they served not only to God but to the current royals ... That's the problem because several times they had to make heavy choices.

1/ When they served the so called Early Christians in 13-14 centuries.
2/ When they joined the Apostolic Christians (after 1370) of Prince Dmity-1 aka Constantine-1 aka Murat-1
3/ When they accepted the early (Russian) Romanovs as Tsars (after 1613)
4/ When they accepted the Germans as Romanovs in 1699
5/ When they admitted the Fanar Greek version of Christianity (called Jewish here) in 17-18 century
6/ When they imposed the Old testament (Nikolas-1 called it Jewish before forbidding) in 19-20 centuries.
7/ When they legalized elimination of the old believers in 18-19 centuries
8/ When they had to choose between the Nazi and the Bolsheviks ... ect.

+ end

rote

pre 7 godina

END

I would say that the Russian church is a very good and even heroic church when we talk about 99% of the clergymen but it wasn't every time that the remaining 1% was making good choice. Today I can pray in any Russian church abroad or in Stari Obriad Church in Moscow. And I can cross myself with 2 or with 3 fingers. Official church does not mind it. But 20 years ago I was allowed to enter a Greek or any Orthodox church but never to a Russian abroad or "raskolnik" in Russia ... In fact Raskolnik was the official church ...

Who cares

pre 7 godina

Kosovo* = Illegal and impoverished narco entity thats ruled by terrorists and organ traffickers and is a safe haven for isis. k-albanian kosovo has no future

observer

pre 7 godina

Sounds as if the thumb screws are on and Serbia was told that everyone sees them as being the bad guys. Instead of accepting reality, Serbia is playing its old game of denying reality and being a poor victim once more. Just pathetic...... Maybe it is time, that Serbs in the north of Kosovo, start packing and move to their holy motherland, which is not Kosovo as some still believe in sick and delusional thinking, but in a country with no future; Serbia.

Peter the Rocky Mountains

pre 7 godina

Vucic sounds like a 7 year old that was caught with his gang of seven trying to set the neighbors house on fire 🔥 having only 1 match with him!!!
Pathetic lying Chetnik runs home to mommy "being caught red handed" lying to her that he didn't do anything wrong And that it was the neighbors that are to be blamed so he won't get spanned back home for his attempts of starting a fire that would most likely have engulfed the entire neighborhood and not just his neighbors house! So now vucic and his gang of seven thugs have officially BEEN PUT ON NOTICE by the big boys which are now going to watch the neighborhood from now on!!!
This is what happens when you don't grow up and accept the realitys that you can't always be a spoiled renegade on the loose thinking you are free to do as you like with all your neighbors!!!
It's time mother back in Serbia punishes vucic and his gang of seven for their bad judgements, as she risks the very real chance that the BIG BOYS of the neighborhood will come to what remaines of Serbia and do the punishing themselves!!! It is time that Serbia and mother accept the reality on the ground that the neighbors have chosen their own paths & wont allow these gangs to set fires freely and at will, it is time for Serbia to accept that Kosova is gone, NO SORRY, it has been gone a long time ago!!!

Peter the Rocky Mountains

pre 7 godina

Merkel wants to see Vučić as the next president and Zorana Mihajlović as the next prime minister. This ”Kosovo crisis” is orchestrated just to let Vučić act as a peacemaker, calm ”fighter of truth and justice”. Besides, the Germans are brainwashed to love islamic terrorists and hate Serbs. Poor Vučić, he is smart enough to manipulate the Serbs, but not clever enough to cheat the Germans. Serbia now needs a leader of Nikola Pašić caliber. In fact, there is one good candidate.
(D. Sven, Scandinavia, 3 February 2017 13:38)

Wrong! You need a leader the likes of Slobodan Milosevich, a Serbian savior to save the day!
Also Sven I've Brennan visiting this forum for years and have never come across any of your comments this being the first, have you left Serbia to start a new in Scandinavia a become a part time key board warrior? I think I'll call u sidelines instead of swen!!! And please enjoying your whopper or do they have a Russian equivalent there???

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

What is "serbian" DNA? Does that mean that many serbs have albanian blood as well? Why is only albanians who are "serbs" but serbs are never albanian. This is stupid. Serbs love fairytales and lies. Everyone knows that. They see the world in way that fits them. Anyway the Albanians in Kosovo are not serbs and neither were their ancestors. They never liked your kind. They would never mix with you.

EA

pre 7 godina

"talk about the Community of Serb Municipalities...." Without Serbia recognising formally Kosovo independence these kind of "talk" doesn't make any sense. The real purpose of Serbia is to have a partition of Kosovo on ethnic line and keep Kosovo under stress with "Kosovo is Serbia". The mad painted train discovered everything...

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Vucic is in a bad spot:

- He is nationalist even if he apologises and says he eat plazma and changed:
- He can not create Comunity of Serbs as a) he is process to EU b) most Serbs live SOuth of Ibar 120K vs 50K North of Ibar.
-It is election time in Serbia and there are votes to be had in Kosovo / Since Seselj is back they can not have landslide on Nationalist.

People calm down there are 4600 NATO solders in Kosovo:

No Serbian Army or Police will come to Kosovo as it means declaration of WAR.
Albanians do not need to force themselves north as they will lose support of West

Let idiots guard the bridge in winter, do not fall for 1990s propaganda as in the end they will watch war on TV vs your children perishing. Serbian Army wont pass 5Km zone without permission of NATO remember Kumanovo agreement (capitulation).

Its Friday enjoy the weekend, smile dance be active and most importantly love each other as Serbs and Albanians from Kosovo if ever did DNA would find out they are cousins after living with each other since 700 - Albanians from Kosovo have more DNA with Serbs from south Serbia than Albanians from Saranda.

We live a short short life, do not waste it in hate as it does nothing to the other person / people.

rote

pre 7 godina

Albanians from Kosovo have 0% serbian DNA. They are Albanians. There ancestors were Albanians. We are not related to serbs in any sense. The bloodline has always been albanian. Mixing with a serb would be like mixing with a gypsy. You would be shunned from your own kind. Albanians from Albania, Abanians from Kosovo and Albanians from Macedonia belong to the same race and blood. What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read.
(layman22, 3 February 2017 14:17)


"What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read". At least you are the naive of the day. Kindly see how much of the Russian R1a you both have in your happlogroups. This is why they call you Albanians i.e. people of the White (Russian) Horde and this is why Belgrade is the city of the Whites and this is why you both live on the Bal (White) Cans (Khans). See also Slavic I and Semite J happlogroups both in Serbs and the Shqiptars. If you want to hear about other Albanians living in China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Caucasus, Europe, both Americas, Africa, Oceania ask me to help you. Word Albanian had no ethnical sence. Same about the Gypsies I can explain how and what for this people appeared everywhere.

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

We are NOT serbs! Our ancestors were NOT serbs! We are NOT related to serbs!

Serbs are gypsies!
(layman22, 3 February 2017 15:43)

Go do a DNA check its called 23and ME and you will learn.

Yes Serbs are not same origin as Albanians but they married each other till 1400s when being christian was more important than nationality.

Ok you need to do the study before you react with Inat!

Do the DNA then study it and then look at Serb DNA and you shall see.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mqWYuKvbXY]

What learn and weep!

Bilbao

pre 7 godina

Who cares if nobility married eachother? 99,9% of albanians married eachother back then. They were christians, so what? They prefered to marry their own kind just like every one else.
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Not possible as you should go do the DNA test before you speak, no one is 99.9% anything except people who live in Amazon as a primitive tribe and even they are mixed with Asians though history.

I am speaking with data you are speaking with nationalisam, there is no such thing in Europe as 99% anything.

Visava wife of Gjon Kastrioti, Mother of Skenderbeg Gjergj Kastrioti -She is mentioned in passing in two sources from the start of the 16th century. The first source, a biography on her son, mentions her as the daughter of a "Triballian nobleman", which is interpreted as her being Serbian, modern scholars pointing to the Branković dynasty. Her name is Slavic, as are several of her children's names.

So again let inat down, grab a book and a test tube spit saliva send it for analysis and come back.

By the way I am 50% Albanian with a 50% Croatian mother, so your theory is wrong in that sense!!! I should be 50 / 50 by test tube says different.

This is not guess work this is science, but if you like you can believe you are 99.9% albanian however this is not possible.

However my DNA tells me : 13% Serb, 20% Italian 30% Albanian and 30% Croatian + 4% undefined and 3% asian.
Have nice cold peja beer and relax.

D. Sven, Scandinavia

pre 7 godina

Merkel wants to see Vučić as the next president and Zorana Mihajlović as the next prime minister. This ”Kosovo crisis” is orchestrated just to let Vučić act as a peacemaker, calm ”fighter of truth and justice”. Besides, the Germans are brainwashed to love islamic terrorists and hate Serbs. Poor Vučić, he is smart enough to manipulate the Serbs, but not clever enough to cheat the Germans. Serbia now needs a leader of Nikola Pašić caliber. In fact, there is one good candidate.

layman22

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

Albanians from Kosovo have 0% serbian DNA. They are Albanians. There ancestors were Albanians. We are not related to serbs in any sense. The bloodline has always been albanian. Mixing with a serb would be like mixing with a gypsy. You would be shunned from your own kind. Albanians from Albania, Abanians from Kosovo and Albanians from Macedonia belong to the same race and blood. What you wrote was one of the dumbest thing i have ever read. And no there will be no "love" between us either. We dont want to have ANYTHING to do with serbs. We never liked them and we will never like them in the future either. Stop insulting us with your dirty lies about "serbian" DNA. We dont mix with gypsies.

D. Sven, Scandinavia

pre 7 godina

The more exclamation marks we see in Petar the Rocky Mountains’ writings, the closer is the end of a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”government” and the closer is the end of the transitional
”albanian phase” in Kosovo. Cheers!

PUTINlover

pre 7 godina

Vucic you crybaby ,you were not even a good ashtray boy at the Milosevic gatherings and your not even a good leader for you people .You smell whats in the air and its gagging you already

Good luck your gonna need it

cuarteador

pre 7 godina

Vucic blasted unnamed "foreign ambassadors" for meddling in the country's internal affairs, saying that they will not be deciding "where and how our army units will be deployed."

Ok so lets analyze this:

You/Serbia can send troops and police to areas with Albanian population - and all day say they are at the ready.

But

Albanians should not send Police to Serb Areas even when there is a train coming to insult them?

I am sorry even if you want to be neutral and hear you out this is the definition of ahypocrite.

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilboa

Who cares if nobility married eachother? 99,9% of albanians married eachother back then. They were christians, so what? They prefered to marry their own kind just like every one else. Serbs like to think that everyone in the universe is a serb, but sorry to break it for you. We are not serbs. And we are not slavs either. We have nothing to do with slavs. Slavs are monkies and nothing else. All albanians can trace their ancestors and there are no serbian relatives to be found. So the genetic tests are beyond irrelevant. Our ancestors were albanians. We are albanians and we will always be albanians. And there is nothing you serbs can do about that! A strong majority of albanians would never even think of having any relationship at all with serbs! NEVER

Puppy

pre 7 godina

Bilbao

I have no slavic relatives in my family[thank god for that!] and neither does any albanian i know. No albanian would throw away their genes on a Serb!

I want to marry a beautiful albanian girl in the future and have albanian children and keep the bloodline albanian. We albanians marry eachother no matter if we are ghegs or tosks, no matter if we are sunni,catholic,orthodox or bektashi. No matter if we are Albania, Kosovo, or Macedonia. We Albanians have eachother and we need eachother. Even the albanian diaspora still marry their own kind. Serbs are considered to be undesirable to albanians. Serbs are hated by all albanians. We dont want to mix with slavs and greeks. We want to be with our own kind :)

American Eagle

pre 7 godina

If you want to hear about other Albanians living in China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Caucasus, Europe, both Americas, Africa, Oceania ask me to help you. Word Albanian had no ethnical sence. Same about the Gypsies I can explain how and what for this people appeared everywhere.
(rote, 3 February 2017 16:40)


rote,
Please stop boring us with your bogus pseudo theories on everything from history to genetics. No one wants to read your nonsense. If this is what was taught to you at a Russian University then it is no wonder Russia is in such a sorry state. There is no such thing as "alternative truths". we call these lies.

Counter Revolution

pre 7 godina

a serb accusing somebody else for propaganda = hipocrisy
(Revolution, 3 February 2017 14:11)

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somebody else accusing a Serb for propaganda = hipocrisy

rote

pre 7 godina

Puppy : Why is only albanians who are "serbs" but serbs are never albanian. This is stupid. Serbs love fairytales and lies.

It's quite natural that neighbors get mixed as life goes on. But all of us were fed with false fairy tales. If you read sceptically the stories of Kastriotti or Obilic or anybody else you will find them very suspicious. Not to hurt any of the sides let's take history of someone else.

Say Tamerlane means Lame Timur coz he was wounded in his left knee. When his grave was opened in 1941 everybody saw it was so. But if you read his story you will find that he was wounded when he was stealing cattle. Even if so this man ruled half the world and he had his own historians who could not write such a BS.

Another story is about Prophet Mohammad. We are told that he suffered losses after he had to abandon Medina where he had real estate. So he desided to compensate his losses and robbed a caravan from Medina. It is total idiotism to tell us stories that the prophet who contacted Jabrail and Allah himself was so greedy and blood thirsty that he killed people for material things ...

Such stories could be written only by someone who hated both Tamerlane and Mohammed. So talking serious about fantastic Scanderbeg or the "Serbian" aristocracy that vanished in 1380 is very naiive. Best if we try to decode the past together.

rote

pre 7 godina

There is no such thing as "alternative truths". we call these lies.
(American Eagle, 4 February 2017 00:55)


You have two ethnical names and heavy problems of self identification because the Illirians were Slavs. If the traditional history is so good I have two questions in one :

1/ Why do they call you Albanians and what does Albanian mean?
2/ Why do you call yourself the Shqiptare and who else call themselves animals or birds?

If you give reasonable explanations I'll ask you of the Albanians all over the world and you will have to explain plenty of toponymals and ethnonimals. Plus I'll ask you about the Russian R1a in your happlogroup.

Good Luck!

EL KHAN DAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6d3yVq1Xtw

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

I have a simple test for everyone's DNA to offer here for free. Watch this video and listen to this beautiful turkish song and if you smile and feel like you want to sing along with this georgian singer it means you are from the Bal Khans. The title in turkish is "Her aksham sarhosh" Her aksham votka raki ve sharap etc etc Now I made this test and it turned out I am 30% albanian 30% turk 30% greek and 10% caucasian. Ismail Qemali's wife was greek and serbs and west guys are marrying our women so this "pure albanian blood" theory is nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXn_t65MjYU

Reader

pre 7 godina

"However my DNA tells me : 13% Serb, 20% Italian 30% Albanian and 30% Croatian + 4% undefined and 3% asian.
Have nice cold peja beer and relax."
(Bilbao, 3 February 2017 21:33)

Bilbao, I agree with you, people have mixed with each other for generations. For instance, it is a fact that Albanians and Montenegrins have mixed with each other somewhat in the more mountainous regions. One can read the books of Edith Durham to listen first hand the stories she heard from the Albanians she visited.

However, it is a bit weird to hear that genes have nationality. What does it mean "20% Italian"? Are 20% of your genes the same as genes present in the majority of the Italian people that were tested? But Italians are mixed themselves like everybody else. I would be skeptic about putting national identifiers on genes as well, there are so many things already that are tainted with national identifiers and are causing stupid problems for people.

Brian Ghilliotti

pre 7 godina

This is correct. Western covert intelligence organizations will try to provoke Serbia by stepping up ethnically motivated attacks against non-Albanian minorities in Kosovo (as well as the other surrounding regions).

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

It's an old Georgian film by Georgy Danelia. In the very end an old woman asked DOES THIS ROAD LEADS TO THE CHURCH? When she heard a negative respond she asked new question WHAT FOR A ROAD IS NEEDED IF IT DOESN'T LEAD TO A CHURCH? (ЗАЧЕМ НУЖНА ДОРОГА, КОТОРАЯ НЕ ВЕДЕТ К ХРАМУ?) Good words I think.

ManFromMountain

pre 7 godina

Solution for Kosovo/a: kick the old politicians out, support community policing that protects the interests of individuals, entrepreneurs, farmers, and other industries. Let the people trade with ordinary citizens on the other side. It is time for Balkan millennials to rule.

These countries need to reduce the influence of foreign interests. Do you think America has anyone else's best interests at heart? What about Russia? Trump is 100% America first to the point of damaging relations with Australia. Putin used Kosovo as a precedent for Crimea in his legal argument before the UN.

justhetruth

pre 7 godina

Propaganda!!!????
Albanians didn't send a train or a bus saying in its wall "Vojvodina is Hungary"... so really I don't know who we need to blame for a bad judgment!!? ?because really like in black and white Albanians didn't insult no one for century's and from your one kind from 1990 to 1999 guess how many life's gone, destruction ,and separation happen can you really imagine your country its in debt above your shoulder and yes soon or later Serbia will pay doesn't matter most of the Serbian citizen don't know the real number but one day the black and white paper will be seen just remember city Gjakova/Djakovica one day will find the truth about it or maybe you and others thinking everything what happen its like writing in ice and leave it in front the sun and as it melt's everything it will disappeared... like nothing happen? all this is the real story as the story's survived for millennium's and millenniums to come they will ..

noire

pre 7 godina

Vucic face looks like the face of someone that does not mean his tough talk. he looks a nice peaceful guy , trying hard to steer the uneducated old serb mentality towards EU.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : it means you are from the Bal Khans ...

I am pleased that you've used this form so I grant you with the list of the states that existed in Europe in late 16 century :

1. Velikaya Perm (aka Bjarma) = central Europe with Germany
2. Velikoe Kniazhestvo Ungarskoe = Hungary, Austria, north of Italy
3. Velikoe Kniazhestvo Bulgarskoe = Balkans
4. Batica (Vatica, Vjatka) = everything south of Rome + Spain+ Portugal + part of France
5. Velikoe Gerzogstvo Kentyiskoe = Britain

that's all !

As for the Bal Can you may compare it with name Stanbul = Stan Bulgar = Place of the Bulgars. Before mid 16 century when the disorder time started in Rus the peninsula was submitted directly to Veliki Novgorod. But then to save the Orthodox peoples from the German Protestants the Orthodox Rus Sultans had to take care of the Balkans. All of you remember 19 century but in 15-17 century the Atamans/Ottomans were quite different.

Anyway words Balkan and (I)stanbul come together. You will die of laughter if you read all 6 versions of the Istanbul toponymal in Wikipedia. In fact it is composed of two Russian words = Place of the Bulgars = Place of the Whites. Because Volga (Valga, Balga,Belga) means White so Bulgars were Whites = Albanians = White Horde.

By the way Tirana (TRN) = Turan (TRN) ... Also I have an idea how the Caucasian Albania could be connected with the Alans. Next time ...

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

Of course the Balkans have "mixed" with other nationalities, some more so than others. What do you expect when the Ottomans invaded the Balkans for 500 Years? The problem is that you have some crazy Russian on here who mixed up history with genealogy based on historical revisionist Anatoly Fomenko.

For example, no archeological evidence exists that supports the Fomenko fantasies, Albanian link to Illyrians and FYROM Slavs to Alexander the Great.

Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks" who are nothing more than converted Serbs or Croats.

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks" who are nothing more than converted Serbs or Croats.

5/ As for the Bosniaks it's easy to judge them now. But we don't know under what sircumstances and when they changed their belief. If it happened in 16-17 centuries it wasn't a crime yet. Because both religions still remembered of their joint Christian craddle. At least if Zaporozhie Cossacks turned to serve to the Surltans it wasn't a treason in Russia in 17 century ... The Sultans simply were bigger Russians than the Romanovs and their only diplomatic language before 19 century was Slovenski (old Serbian) ... Then it was replaced by Greek language. Thus Slovenski and Greek were the only languages that the "Turks" used for international relations. The treaties were signed only in these two languages without interpretation to other languages. During Tanzimat period in late 19 century French was also used as diplomatic language but never Osmani ...

Jugoslavija

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@ Yugosllavia Some enscriptions on Illyrian graves can be explained only through albanian language and that is archeological evidence. We are not gypsy nomads as albanoi tribe was described from a greek historian ages ago and it was located in Durres and Tirana.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 6 February 2017 22:01)

Your talking about Ptolemy who said there is an Alvonai ancient tribe. But there is also discussion about the Scythians discussed by Herodotus linked to Albanians. Some have even linked the Serbs to the Scythians. There is no denying that Albanians an old tribe and civilization equal to the age of the Greeks, but the links to "Illyria" are not irrefutable.

I really don't have much appreciation for Tito or Hoxha. However, Tito was not a nationalist as so many historians try to incorrectly portray him. Milosevic was Ivan Stambolic and Josip Broz Tito's pupil and not a nationalist as well contrary to what mainstream media tries to portray.

HELLENIC SWORD

pre 7 godina

@Skenderbeu 1444

+PRINCEPS EPIRI ET ALBANIAE
"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.

HELLENIC SWORD

pre 7 godina

@Skenderbeu 1444


"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu -2

As an introduction I have to tell you once again that before paper became available in 16 century all maps, books and documents were written on parchment that was VERY expensive. So on all written languages they wrote only the consonant sounds. Say word ALBA/WHITE looked LB ect.

But the oryginal word was Rus BELI (BL) = BALI (BL). In 1382 Rus Horde of the White Khan Dmitry I Ivanovich (killed in Kosovo) sent a big horde of the Cherkassy Princes and Caucasians to replace the Kurds in Misr/Cairo/Egypt. They became known as the Mamelukes. Egypt meant not only the current state of Egypt but north of Africa + Iraq+Syria + Lebanon + Sudan.

Mamelukes needed a code to communicate the far away hordes and mainland Rus. So the "arabic" letters and language were invented. Mamelukes too wrote only the consonant sounds. But it was hard to read such letters so they had to invent also HARAKAT notes that you can see in Quran below and above the words. Harakats show what sound is missing between the consonant letters or that there's no sound at all.

Very often Rus text were misintepreted while written in Arabian. So Rus ЛБ/LB was written as Arabian BL (backward). Then somebody who did not knew the oryginal word BELI filled the word with wrong sounds. So BL first turned into Arabian LB and then was filled with prefix A and became ALB. Later with the Ladino language (old Spanish = Sefardi Jewish) it reached Spanish colony of the Whites and became Alba = White.

Olsi

pre 7 godina

Elections coming soon in Serbia and also in Albania. The usual herd of sheep needs the usual patriotic dose. I'm ok with this strategy if it works to get more votes from the radicals. Just saw that Kurir was starting to have "the things". That's good. T'fala & Hvala!

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Rote I am afraid of two things in my life and one of those two things is these questions full of wisdom that these old women like my late muslim grandmother do! It is so hard to reply to them and there's a risk one remains like a foolish child in front of them. Good questions there's nothing bad in going to church or mosque as long as they teach us to live in peace I think.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Joni She is albanian but thats because I am smart like thousands of greeks, italians and serbs are ;) Honest strong and sweet albanian women are some of the worlds best women. Use capital letter for God - Zoti and I dont mind if you dont use it for my nickname :)

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

Muslims prayed in the Orthodox churches before 17 century. The first evidence of a mosque belongs to a French map of Stanbul of 1572. I've read Quran twice and I can write and read the first Sura. I went into mosques in many countries ect. But I am a dissident about Islam that was part of Christianity before 1613. Of course it was a separate branch but it was closer to the Orthodox than the Catholics in 16 century.

It was the time when both Islam and Christianity were transformed and they went different directions. Orthodox Khans/Kniazes could have 4 legal wives and Harems. Harem aka Гарем was a Russian Терем aka castle/temple ... Then it was also used as Harram for forbidden things. As you must know in Islam all deeds are divided for 4 groups - forbidden, not recomended, recomended, obligatory. So temple of Kniaz was a forbidden/harram place to enter.

Drinking alcohol was forbidden in late 17 century after the Muslims were oblidged to pray 5 times a day. Because one could not talk to Allah without crear mind. Islam became religion of the Ottomans whose empire was much bigger than we are told. Islam appeared in Kazan and Sunnah describes events in this region. Kaaba meteorite fell down in 1421 in Yaroslavl aka Veliki Novgorod. First Kaaba was near Kazan as well as the Zam Zam well. Then during the Mameluke conquest parts of the Kaaba were taken to Hidjaz. In Muslims books there are no dates so Joseph Scaliger appointed Hijjra time for the year of 622.

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : For example, no archeological evidence exists that supports the Fomenko fantasies, Albanian link to Illyrians and FYROM Slavs to Alexander the Great. Albanians are gypsy nomads ...

1. There are plenty of archeological, documental , genetical, philological and many other kinds of proof of the "fantasies" and I am ready to start placing them if b92 doesn't mind. In the first link Putin talks about the Battle of Kulikovo. He says that both sides were composed of the Russians who used the Tatar cavalry as their main striking force. According to Fomenko Tatars were the regular army/horde of the Empire and the battle happened in the place where lately Moscow was built. Dead bodied were burried 8 meters deep in 1 monastery and 6 churches built for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8JWEx6PXh4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kulikovo
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_30.html#the31
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_26.html
http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html
http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

2/ Gypsies were a caste of the Great Horde who looked after the Roman roads. We can talk about it.

3/ If the Shqiptars were Albanians i.e. were part of the Great Horde they definitely were nomads because all Cossacks were nomads. For your information a horse needs 3 times more of hay than a cow. So the hordes were mobile. They just had ti migrate especially in winter times. Simply because each warrior had 2-3 horses.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Yugosllavia Some enscriptions on Illyrian graves can be explained only through albanian language and that is archeological evidence. We are not gypsy nomads as albanoi tribe was described from a greek historian ages ago and it was located in Durres and Tirana. But we are not solving nothing here and life would be less interesting if we cant discuss on these issues. You sound like Enver Hoxha when he condemned Tito and then Hrushov and then chinese leaders to be revisionists!

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija : Albanians are gypsy nomads that are closer to Turks then any other Balkan nation not withstanding the so called "Bosniaks"

4/ Historical Turks and the current Turks have little in common. As a Greek you should better know such things at least because current Turks are of Greek orygin in a big degree. Do I have to tell you how Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian Tatars to invent the Turkish language in 1923? Do I have to tell you the comedy of how the ABSOLUTELY NEW LANGUAGE was implemented since 1932? Do I have to tell you about the tragedy of 1942 when all the Greeks, Armenians, Slavs, Kurds, Arabs ect. were declared as Turks. They had to change their names and family names for the offered list of Turkish names so Armen Petrosian became Altin Effendi and Manolis Papandopolus became Abdullah Gulzade ... They could jail you for singing a Greek song or talking Greek in the street ... Do you want to know the difference between the Great Osmani language and the ugly Turkish or do you want to know how far the Rus Sultans (in fact Padishahs) were from what you call Turks ? In one other links that I gave you there's a separate article about the meanings of this Russian word.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

4/ Historical Turks and the current Turks have little in common. As a Greek you should better know such things at least because current Turks are of Greek orygin in a big degree. Do I have to tell you how Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian Tatars to invent the Turkish language in 1923? l
(rote, 6 February 2017 22:22)

Doesn't make sense Rote as my Great Great Grandmother came from Asia Minor Turkey, she only spoke Turkish and was there far before 1923. She however was Greek with all it's traditions that are currently followed in the province of Macedonia, Greece.

You might also want to consider a region called Zogaldak, located in the Black Sea of Turkey. It was a large coal and mining town and was literally run by joint venture of Turks and Serbs in the 17, 18 and 19th century. By the way, Zogaldak has an uncanny appearance to the Montenegrin Coast, could it be that the Serbs migrated from the Black sea coastal regions to Southeastern Europe?

Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

@Rote

Miners and the State in the Ottoman Empire
The Zonguldak Coalfield 1822-1920

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1845451341/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=36XKG3GFDQM8T&coliid=I152KIAGUN238N

Remind you of Montenegro?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&qpvt=zonguldak+pictures&FORM=IGRE

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Rote When you say that you have read Quran twice you mean you've read it in arabic, turkish or russian translation if I can ask you this question. You know arabic language in order to write and read the first Sura? Is there any proof that muslims and ortodox were branches of same religion? I have great respect for people who know eastern languages as I would never learn arabic or turkish language as they both look too difficult to me. You also know farsi persian Rote?

Joni

pre 7 godina

@ zotit Skenderbe
O Zot o Zot! Kur u be edhe i biri i tetos Sander mafishtja mos ngelte burre ne kembe.. hahahaha ( shaka eee)
By the way nice to see that you have married an Albanian woman, all the Albanian men do that at least 98 %.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

I do plus one more language that uses Arabic letters. I dont know Arabic although but I understand about 40% of the words. By the way word WHITE is ABEL in Arabian so the Russian rootes (A-BEL) are apparent.In 15 century this artificial language was used only in Russia and in the Misr/Egypt Sultanate of the Mamelukes.

In the famous Journey Beyond Three Seas Afanasy Nikitin used several languages of the Horde - Rus, Turkic=Tatar, Persian and Arabian. What is interesting he never translates from one language to another as he believes that the reader knows all of them. Another interesting thing is that he prays as a Rus Orthodox but the next moment he prays as a good Muslim reading Suras from Quran. All because he saw no contradiction in it. Some of his Muslim prayer are in Arabian some in Tatar/Turkic because at the time Arabian wasn't the only language of Islam yet. It happened later in 17 century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_Beyond_Three_Seas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasy_Nikitin

Persian phrases in the book show that the language wasn't formed yet. At least they differ much from the current language and it is strange to read them in Cyrillic ...

+++

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

end of the comment

Persian is the most beutiful of the languages that I know. If you listen how they speak or sing you stop doing anything else. They smack and enjoy their language spelling every sound ... Like Arabian and Latin the Persian was an artificial language invented for literature, science and history. That's why in Central Asia they have severe problems of identification of poets and scientists who all wrote Persian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB3NZu96GGk

PS

I've read Quran interpreted to Russian by Krachkovski as it is the the best one here. Current version of Quran was printed in Europe during Suleiman The Magnificent. Unlike the Christian saint books Qurans all over the world are similar that could happen only if the oryginals were delivered to every mosque for further copying.

It's a big theme to start now but the version available is composed under one single logic THE BIGGESt PHRASES ARE BROUGHT TO THE BEGINING AND THE SHORTER A PHRASE IS THE CLOSER IT IS TO THE END OF QURAN ... This composition cannot be oryginal ... That's why it is so difficult to understand Quran without Tasfir ...

rote

pre 7 godina

Jugoslavija

When you speak of 17-18 centuries I fail to see difference between Serbs and Rus people. It appeared in 19 century because the fate of this part of the Rus was different from mainland's one. Rus were the biggest of the divided peoples. 5% of their land was seized by the Germans who used Romanov trade mark here. Step by step they destroyed all other Rus states while Slavs in Europe found shelter under the Osmani umbrella. Also remember that national issue was not so importand in the old times as the whole world was submitted to the Rurikovici who were gods as they thought. Language also wasn't so important as there were several artificial languages to ease communication. Some believe that Turkic aka Tatar was one such because peoples who speaks the dialects of this language have no joint ancestor and even belong to different races. I saw two Greeks trying to explain themselves. Both were sure that they spoke Greek although one sounded rather Turkic. 10% of the current Turks have Turkic/Tatar origin so you may have Russian happlogroups as well. Just remember that the Turkish language is about 80 years old and it has little to do with the Osmani language that was a street language for centuries and since 19 century was used for official documents too. Your grandmother spoke Turkic/Tatar because Turkish appeared in 1932-45 only. She could see no difference as the new language was based on Tatar language.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: Thank you for your sincere reply. I started reading Quran years ago and then I gave up because I felt like a hypocrite as I understood religion is not for me. Maybe I am an agnosticist as many albanians say, as I believe we cant understand God. But I am not a complexed muslim and in this world where muslims are called backward and terrorist I have no problems to say that my family religion is muslim as my last name is. Now regarding that old lady's words there's a whole philosophy there but that is all about russians. Your people brain works as motor turbo diesel and thats scary and I have no words other then admiration Kapella!

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Jugoslavia I was referring to that alvanoi tribe described by Ptolemy and that is the only proof we have we have been in this area along with greeks. What happened before or after cant be irrefutable because of thousands of reasons. Of course we never painted a cave and thats true but that could also mean that we have always been fighting to survive. We were not a consolidated entity and maybe yes we were always moving as nomads. But the core part was there, we didnt come from the caucas' albania not because I want this to be true but for the simple reason that such a massive movement of people would have been noticed by either greek or turkish archives. I have also been thinking about the fact that Srb, Shqiptar, Skythians, all start with "S" letter, I know it is a stupid thing to tell but who knows. What do you think?

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : we didnt come from the caucas' albania

Your Albanian name is not because you came from Caucasus but because there were lots of Albanias worldwide. You also don't have to be ashamed of the word Caucasian because it's a rather proud name here. There are two sorts of Caucasians who differ much. In South Caucasus there's only one people the Armenians who can equally good fight and trade. Georgians and Azerbaijan people are peceful peasants. Quite different are Northern Caucasians whose ancestors belonged to the caste of the warriors. The best unit in the Tsar army was the Savage Division and so was during the USSR when 2 out of 3 batalions in the Brest Fortress were composed of the Caucasians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_Fortress

Now about the Caucasian Albany. They say it was a union of some 26 tribes in central and western Caucasus. All of them including the Chechens were Albanians i.e. part of the White Horde. Now we also had some Alania in the western and central Caucasus i.e. almost the same lands. Those were Rus Princes of Cherkassy, the Adiga and Ossetian tribes. Thus we have two parallel multinational unions on the same lands - the Albanians (Alban) and the Alanians (Alan) whose names differ only one letter ... As a matter of fact Albans were part of the Beli Horde but we know for sure that the Alans were Mamelukes i.e. also the Whites/Alban/Beli

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu : Srb, Shqiptar, Skythians, all start with "S" letter

No idea of the Shqiptars - may it derive from the two headed eagle that was coat of arms of the Komnins to whom Jesus/Isa belonged and that became one of the symbols of the Whites since Ivan III. Word Srb quite can be Sbr = Siabri = north western Russians = mainland White Horde. Word Scyth = Skit is a pure Russian word = living place far from cities and villages. As you know the Horde's Cossacks were nomads and they settled on the borders far from common people.

According to Fomenko Quran is a form of the old Bible. I've spent half of my life among the Muslims who believed that the God is one (la illahi il ala) and so do I. Each time I can see how Muslims misbehave I pray Oh Lord forgive them as they don't know what they are doing. I personally live in harmony with Islam because I know it for sure that it came out of our house. By the way Muslims are still allowed to pray in the churches if there's no mosque nearby and if the Christians don't mind.

One funny story happened to me in the Caucasus. An Ingush asked me WHERE'S MECCA HERE and I said I DON'T KNOW WHERE MECCA IS BUT WHEN THE INGUSH PRAY THEY LOOK IN THIS DIRECTION. He was so happy to cry out THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO KNOW ! Those who kill crying Allah Akbar are not Muslims. With the same success they could use books of comics or NYT Magazine instead of Quran-i Sharif. By the way both Quran and Bible mean the same - READING.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I wish we could be the successors of Caucasians as we all know that they are very brave and glorious fighters. Unfortunately we are not as the average albabian is very pacific and doesn't think about war. If you could know albanians you could understand that these people have been christianized in early ages so they endure everything in a stupid and pacific way. Plus we have many vlachs living in our area and they are also very pacific people. I wish we could be from the Caucasus but these sheep of mine are not used to say my grandmother!

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: Ive been thinking about this day and night and also asked a neighbor of mine who is professor of history. There are two theories about origins of name shqiptar/Shqiperi. The one is the eagle of the coat of arms of Skenderbeu (shqipe/shqiponje is eagle) the other one is more accredited. "Shqip" as language derives not from the eagle but from verb "shquaj" - distinguish in clear way, so when we say to each other "fol shqip" it doesnt mean speak albanian, but speak in a clear way. Continues

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

So from "shqip" the language which is clear to me derived shqiptar - albanian etnicity and Shqiperi (Albania) and it doesnt mean the land where eagles take a rest. This is more accurate theory as our linguists say. Now this is very important if we relate it to your explanation of the international name for albanians. If there were many different albanians and albania's in the world for whatever reasons (various hordes) we distinguished ourselves because we could understand each other. So Kapella Im afraid your Fomenkin will be the future Tesla in historiography.

rote

pre 7 godina

If there were many different albanians and albania's in the world for whatever reasons (various hordes) we distinguished ourselves because we could understand each other. So Kapella Im afraid your Fomenkin will be the future Tesla in historiography.

(Skenderbeu 1444, 8 February 2017 18:32)

He already is ! Please read the link I permanently leave for you and you will receive a plain and clear vision of the past. Read just this one book and see 24 films of the New Chronology to understan who we all are. It will blow up your mind but in the end you will become calm and self sufficient. When you have the tool you'll be able to make your own investigations like I do it when I have time. You will discover things that you were passing bye without paying any attention.

Once I started to search for the footprints of the Slavic Conquest last year. Even after Hitler changed some 1200 Slavic toponymals there are still plenty of them in Germany. So his Barbarossa (Russian Barbar) Operation also had a Rus name. I personally found above 1000 toponymals, names and ethnonymals all over the world. They directly point at the Slavic conquest where some other peoples took part too.

With word WHITE I've got above 200 such names on all continents. So if you are interested I'll start placing them here. It will take time because without my explanation you will not accept them.

2 more parts

rote

pre 7 godina

part-3

Arabian for Libya is same as in English bit suffix YA/IA is a pure European for places and countries. Thus we have remaining LUB (LB) that is exactly our BELI.

Same with Lebanon whose Arabian name is LUBNAN. Europeans just added sound E. Anyway in old documents it could be written as LBN or LBNN. Here I have to tell you that AN is the multiple form for the animates. Persian in a great degree formed the Arabian language. Thus we have LB=BL and AN as multiple form. Altogether it makes WHITES= BELI= ALBANIANS.

If you study toponymals in the two mentioned states and in their neighborhood you will find many other toponymals openly showing at the Rus or Turkic oryginals.

I don't know how good I explain it but there must be some preliminary theoretical knoledge before we move forward. If it is interesting you will also have to remember letters and sounds that were often got mixed. One would say SALT and the others will hear sounds A or O and so will they write it down. Just remember several combinations of sounds that were mixed. Such as U/O, S/TS, A/O, B/P ect. Some letters like V/U/W were mixed too because grammar wasnt stabile yet.

Now if you are still interested I'll be placing words meaning White explaining why it means Albanian. In many cases Albanian form is used in others they were based on Russian or Turkic languages.

rote

pre 7 godina

misprintted as :

So Rus ЛБ/LB was written as Arabian BL (backward).

read as :

So Rus БЛ/BL was written as Arabian LB (backward).

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I have a degree in physics and I am afraid I cant follow you when you compare languages. Besides this Fomenkin needs to provide proof on who manipulated the history and for which reasons. Otherwise this is nice theory as nice as the official one is. I don't know but your method of making publicity of this is like west does for commercial products. But I dont think Fomenkin needs this kind of publicity. He needs to talk to the scientific comunity first and then to the public.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Hellenic sword: I didnt know that Ptolemy's Geography has been declared an apocryphal gospel text in Greece. So if it doesnt fit your narrative the text doesnt exist? As I wrote I would be more than happy if it is true that we came from the Caucasians lands. Hellenic sword there is just one and only one proof for a nation to show if it is ancient or not and that is being wise nation today, in our modern times. I admit greeks are the smartest persons ive ever met. If I admit that Im under the bridge and dumb, are you happy?

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

I searched for the footprints of the Horde using the following marker words :

1/ BELI = white, bali, alba, abel, albi, balt, balta, ak, ok, aka
2/ KHAN = cahn, can, cannes, kan, kam, chamme, cam, cal, kal, kol, col ...
3/ RUS = russ, ross, rossi, rosso, urosh, rosh, rash ...
4/ ORDA = horde, arta, port, p-orta, k-orda, urdu, ordu ...
5/ GAL = halle, hall, galli, gala, gauls ...

ect.

Among 1100 words that I've found during 2 months there were some 210 mentionings of the Whites aka Albanians. I am ready to sort them out for you. Because word Albanian belonged to the White Horde only. It marked the military forse that gave names to the main rivers, seas, ports, mountains and other places for only one reason - to let everybody know who is the master here.

So when we are told that Mehmet II sieged Belgrade and was killed here they are kidding us. Because Mehmet II was a Rus and himself was of the White Horde so Belgrade already belonged to him. Most likely he was killed and burried in Samarkand as Tamerlane.

Same with Skenderbeu who as they say withstanded Mehmet II Fatih with his miserable 300 buffalo soldiers ... Total strength of the hordes under Mehmet II could reach 500 000 - 700 000 of professional warriors. His empire was many times bigger than they paint it on their maps now.

So I am starting to place the white-albanians that I've found last year. I'll be placing them where I see your comments.

rote

pre 7 godina

But I dont think Fomenkin needs this kind of publicity. He needs to talk to the scientific comunity first and then to the public.

(Skenderbeu 1444, 9 February 2017 08:15)

The problem is that the historians become histerians when it comes to tht New Chronology of Fomenko and Nosovsky. They avoid meeting them in public discussions calling names with zero proof. Their problem is that Anatoly Fomenko is one of the 5-10 most outstanding mathematicians of the world. So the label of the insane does not stick to him. My problem here is that I have to retell you his books while I would prefer you to read them in the originals. Read at leasr the reconstruction of history by him !

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

+ his 24 films

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMplPvA7k&list=PLQqYFITJNSJlzUpvNnUcFGRYMCUK5IqBq

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: There must not be any hysteria about Fomenkin reconstruction of history. He is on his own right to revise history and sincerely I think that the fact that russians have the time to focus on these issues means that things are running good in your country. Mine is the second most abandoned country in Europe and I just met a friend of mine who wants me to join him in Canada. Emigrate Rote with all my family. So this is the fate God reserved to your dear albanians of the white and blue and golden hordes. I will always read your comments and your toponyms though till the day it will be possible for me. I dont believe in historians and I believe in exact sciences as we call physics and mathematics here. Good luck to Fomenkin!

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

By the way Rote is it true that Putin has invited Europe's Jews to buy land and invest in Russia? Also is it true that Russians are buying land in Siberia as it is expected to have a great economic growth?

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

See how Europe looked like before 13 century !

http://chronologia.org/kak_reconstruction/im/003.jpg

Like Rus it was all fems (colonies) of the Romeys and what is most important BALKANS WERE METROPOLIS OF THE EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But the West persuaded you that all of you were slaves. In fact the West were slaves because all those France, Germany, Spain ect appeared in 17 century only and for another 100-150 years remained colonies of the Rus Atamans/Ottomans/Getmans.

rote

pre 7 godina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYIIPkzdEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95VbDD0N60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0jd_EJ2OIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc&list=PLJ3bfiZSEyyCmWsnhzn9DnrQ6ZhA5yJiV
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fomenko+nosovsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Thfip4Owz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0yKN8r0UXw&list=PLOZkTl5YIKO2-3lqwmCYh3bHk4OmU6dby
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D1%85%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F

rote

pre 7 godina

By the way Rote is it true that Putin has invited Europe's Jews to buy land and invest in Russia? Also is it true that Russians are buying land in Siberia as it is expected to have a great economic growth?

(Skenderbeu 1444, 9 February 2017 18:40)

He often meets the Jewish Ravvins and last year they showed it over the central TV that the French Jews complained to him about the rise of anti-semitism in that country. Then Putin told them to come together to Russia. It dissapointed Nethanjahu because he made a similar invitation. I personally would prefer them to go to Africa because there are too many of them here. Yet attracting the rich Jews may be interesting for any country but a Muslim one. We are a partly Muslim state and a member of the Islamic Conference but we have no big problems with anti-semitism. As for Siberia I've heard something like that. But it was only one region of Altai where Shoigu is from. They say that in case of any cathaclisms it will be the safest place to live. You know Jews are something that you have to deal with. No matter what you feel about them or where you live or what you do ... Some day I'l tell you my/Fomenko's version how it happened that they became so important.

rote

pre 7 godina

Emigrate Rote with all my family. So this is the fate God reserved to your dear albanians of the white and blue and golden hordes.

I love Russia and I am proud to be part of it. But many people simply had no choice and had to abandon their homes and their graves. I am not giving advice in such matters. But I'll give you plenty of the toponymals that I've promised. Many of them are in America (Amer-i Can) and Canada (Can Arda).

J

pre 7 godina

"...go search the historical records from the likes of Polybius and Ptolemy..."
The Books of Polybius and Ptolemy DO NOT EXIST, they are not saved, but you very conviniently plead on these particular ones. All the contemporary historians and geographers are placing you IN CAUCASUS. So, I'll patiently keep asking you:

Is there one ancient text that actually exists, mentioning the Albanians dwelling the Balkans? One would be enough...
You can admit there's none, OR you can provide one.
(HELLENIC SWORD, 8 February 2017 22:09)

They may or they may not. Let's take your word for a bit. We know about them because other ancient writers picked up on them. Just like we know about the contents of burned books from the library of Alexandria.

Second- The root of the Albanian language is not Turkic nor does it have any roots from the languages of the Caucasus.

Third- The incidence of ancient Greek words in the Albanian language places it in the region.

Fourth- There is no respected historian that has described the mass migration of the Albanian people. They do describe the mass migration of the Slavs.

Fifth- For such a small population to have migrated from the Caucasus and to have taken some prime real estate lands is non-sensical. Especially when the rivaling theory states that Slavs came first. Yet we took all this land in the Adriatic and Ionian away from them with a much much smaller population.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Rote: I watched two of them and will watch the others. Have difficulties to keep up with so much information these guys provide but I'm also improving my english!

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu 1

Some of the film were deleted and are available only in the Russian version. By the way in film 12 they gives their reconstruction of the history. Same as the book HOW IT WAS IN REALITY but in a more friendly and short form. The book appeared last year while the films are several years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taep7YlDUv4&list=PLnTS27XHJSnBKq_FAJFB_QYZUVNcp4Q0f RUSSIAN

Use their site as Wikipedia. If you are interested in Alexander the Great seek for Macedon. Then try Skanderbey, Ptolemy ect. Not nesessarily you will find what you want because they did not work over 17-th century and they had no special works for Alexander. But they have English versions of many their books.

http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

Read about Tamerlane and Mehmet II who most likely were one man hated in the West. In one of their latest works they came to a conclusion that his Russian name was Ivan II Vasilievic The Terrible. In the Russian history we have two such Tsars. Both Grozny/Terrible, both Vasilievic and both Ivans. In fact Grozny was only one of them Ivan III aka Mehmet/Tamerlane died in 1481.

They tell us that pieces of biographies of the 3 were mixed sometimes. Say the Ottoman Sultan Selim I Yavuz lived parallel to Ivan III while his Yavuz title also measns Grozny/Terrible ... Besides for 3 years he was hiding in the North Caucasus among the Adig people called Cherkess in the ME.

rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

You know Turkish history is better than what we are offered by the West but you can't trust them either. For other reasons they too "improved" their history many times. So Selim could simply spend his time in Veliki Novgorod ... On the other hand after he became Sultan he grated his savior the Kabarda Prince Inal ( Mameluke) a fort that is still the pride of Temrjuk city of Russia.

Unfortunately we have to decode history now. But the theory of Fomenko is gaining hearts and minds very fast. So there's a hope. He was born in Donbass so even after 50 years in Moscow he has a spesific south Russian pronouncing. Gleb Nosovski is his right hand last 30 years and he goes to the Staroobrjadsky Church while Fomenko calls himself agnostic. I like this church too but I hesitate ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers

By the way I begin to think that the Caucasian version of the Shqiptar history is not so bad. Not because of the word Albania but because of the J1 and J2 happlogroup of yours. As far as I can remember the biggest concentration of these two sister happlogroups is in Dagestan and Chechnia ...

I am very sceptic about the ancient Balkan history as in 15 century because of the severe epidemy Horde cleaned south of Europe including Balkans. They killed Horde's people of the diseased lands and inhabited them with new peoples from Rus. So I think it was 15th century that all of you appeared there.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Why were the films deleted? New censura I think. What about J1 and J2 in turks' haplogroups? Also, caucasians have some asiatic features like kazak folks but maybe Im wrong. We dont what do you think?

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Also Rote is there any spiritual need your church doesnt fullfill so that you want to become a raskolnik now? Look, Islam also has these "old believers" and I think they are those wahabi guys with their long beards and short pants who have flooded our mosques in these years. They believe they are the old believers and maybe they are right. Maybe Jihad is there in Quran. On the other hand, when I declare myself as an agnosticist Im aware Im being a little bit of a coward. I am afraid of God so I dont declare myself as an atheist but in fact I couldn't care less about God and religion as I dont understand these mysticism stories. Best thing to do is to stick to our parents religion although in a formal way unless we choose our own but not as a new or old trend but just because that helps our spirituality if and only if we have one.

rote

pre 7 godina

1.

Of course there's sensorship in the web! Many Russian politicians are switched off in Facebook or Twitter. See what they write about Fomenko in Wikipedia! He is undermining the whole ideology of the western superiority where Europe and Greece are the only sources of progress.

In fact everything was quite the opposite. Europeans had no baths or normal toilets. French king was shitting into a hole on the 3 floor while noble French was doing the same on the second looking up not to receive the excriments on his head.

That's why the Silky way was so important. All insects feared natural silk and quite a few people in Europe could afford a silky pants to their wives to escape diseases. Because silk was a monopoly of the Horde so most Cossacks were dressed in it.

Industrial production of soap appeared only in 18 century so the French invented parfume to odor their smelling bodies. Ludovic-16 was bathing only twice in his life because the doctors insisted. All the rest of his life he used a special scraper to scrap off the dirt from his body like the rest of the French did. By the way he had Ossetian G2a happlogroup ...

In 14-18 centuries Caucasus and Small Asia (Turkey) were almost one. Caucasians were a priviledged group in the Ottoman Empire. In 18-19 centuries 17 out of 21 Pashas had Caucasian roots. See how many Caucasian toponymals still Turkey have.

rote

pre 7 godina

2.

In 14-18 centuries Caucasus and Small Asia (Turkey) were almost one. Caucasians were a priviledged group in the Ottoman Empire. In 18-19 centuries 17 out of 21 Pashas had Caucasian roots. See how many Caucasian toponymals still Turkey have. Most often they took part in the wars that the Kurd led against Persia. In two weeks they could reach almost any part of the empire.

When I was in Alanya the first time a local guide explained the toponymal after some Ali Mohammad that I laughed at. Because Caucasus was the stronghold of the Alans. When in 19 century the Caucasian Cherkess people had to run to Turkey the locals accepted them as gods.

Cossacks were the army of the Horde. Like word Albanian it had no ethnical meaning though some 80% of them had Slavic orygins. Using word Rusian is not correct before 19 century when this nation was formed.

Concerning J1 and J2 I wasn't interested much but I know that the two biggest Shqiptar groups have about 40-45% of this Semite happlogroup. It looks rather natural as Caucasus-Ukraine- Balkans- North Italy- France- Spain was the line where Slavs met and got mixed with the Semites. The biggest concentration of J1 and J2 I saw in Dagestan. I may be wrong although so one have to check it.

rote

pre 7 godina

I've started to place toponimals and other names concerning the white-albanians and i informed you ... but i placed the note on the same page where the lists are now ... so please go to

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100482

Concerning religion those are heavy questions ... Anyway before 17 century Islam was part of the Orthodox church. It wasn't created as a new religion but was a reaction to what the Protestants and later the Catholics and yet later the Greeks were doing to Christianity.

Even today Jesus/Isa is mentioned in Quran 27 times while Mohammad himself only 4 times. Why do you think they forbid translation of Quran to other languages? for the same reasons the Catholics forbade reading the Bible before 20-th century.

After the books were adopted to the new ideologies in Europe and the Ottoman Empire lots of questions began to arise. So in Europe one could not keep or even read the Bible without a priest by his side and even Royals feared the Inquisition. After 450 years and was ended only in 1960-th

That's why they prayed Latin that no woman has ever spoke. This language was invented in late 14 century by St. Stephan Stephan in Great Perm Princedom (Germany and the neighborhood) and he is most respected in Austria now. Initially it was designed for medicine so that doctors all over the Horde could understan one another. But later Latin was also used for religion, histiography and jurisdiction.

rote

pre 7 godina

No matter what Balkan peoples think Russia became part of the Protestants and Catholics since 1613 when the Romanovs came to power. (But in 19 century the Romanovs became Russians. ) So the sultans had to secure themselves and they introduced Quran as a separate religion better explaining the same things.

If you read the biographies of the Sultans you will find that only about Mehmet II they say that he was much interested in theology issues. Quite natural for the Prophet but it was Suleiman who formed the new laws of Shariat. That's why they call him Qanyni = Zakonnik. In fact Qanuni means Khan Uni = General Khan = Great Khan.

The long and the short of it is that both religions suffered the same diseases. If you have noticed Russia appeares in the Turkish history only in 17 century and so is Turkey/Ottomans in the Russian one. Strange isn't it? All because before that those were one empire so there could be no relations between them.

I try to delay answering your questions so one last thing for today. Why do you think the English chosed the Saudis as their partners after they defeated the Mamelukes in 1811 ? Because the ideology of the Wakhabis was what the Brits needed.

The Saudis divided the Muslims for the good and the bad ones. And they believed that one could take property, wives, children or even lives of the bad ones. Exactly what the Brits did in their colonies ... So they found one another.

rote

pre 7 godina

I've never heard about old believers in Islam though it would be natural if we consider how many times Islam was misinterpreted. Raskolnik aka Splitter in Russia is a bit different think. Because the text of Quran has never been changed since it was first printed in Europe in 16 century. Changes were made only in Sunnah and Tasfir. Meanwhile during Patriarch Nikon in 17 century the Romanovs made a severe attempt to change the ideology of Christianity as a whole. But the church did not let them do it. So when Nikon died Tsar Alexey Mikhailovic had to do the burial services by himself. Russian church has always been part of the state so they served not only to God but to the current royals ... That's the problem because several times they had to make heavy choices.

1/ When they served the so called Early Christians in 13-14 centuries.
2/ When they joined the Apostolic Christians (after 1370) of Prince Dmity-1 aka Constantine-1 aka Murat-1
3/ When they accepted the early (Russian) Romanovs as Tsars (after 1613)
4/ When they accepted the Germans as Romanovs in 1699
5/ When they admitted the Fanar Greek version of Christianity (called Jewish here) in 17-18 century
6/ When they imposed the Old testament (Nikolas-1 called it Jewish before forbidding) in 19-20 centuries.
7/ When they legalized elimination of the old believers in 18-19 centuries
8/ When they had to choose between the Nazi and the Bolsheviks ... ect.

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rote

pre 7 godina

END

I would say that the Russian church is a very good and even heroic church when we talk about 99% of the clergymen but it wasn't every time that the remaining 1% was making good choice. Today I can pray in any Russian church abroad or in Stari Obriad Church in Moscow. And I can cross myself with 2 or with 3 fingers. Official church does not mind it. But 20 years ago I was allowed to enter a Greek or any Orthodox church but never to a Russian abroad or "raskolnik" in Russia ... In fact Raskolnik was the official church ...