I see its an other dumb arse statement LOL.
(sj, 20 January 2017 22:23)
Why? Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to present cannot be undone (as commanded by the CE of B92 forums sj)?!
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 21 January 2017 01:34)
The AI’s propensity for dumb-arse comments are staggering LOL. It can’t debate since it gets ripped to pieces if it says something of any “substance” so it can only come out with it usual dribble of CE, etc, etc or making inane posts LOL.
Are you the new Pentagon spokesperson, dear?! Just asking because I could not find any announcement from the new US Defense Secretary that a certain Watcher has been appointed as the new Pentagon spokesperson.
(icj1, 22 January 2017 00:42)
How do you know that Watcher is not a Pentagon spokesperson, dear? They don’t list everyone that works on the defence department’s website mate.
You still haven't provided any proof that I am Albanian. As it turns out, I have only been to Albania twice (both times sightseeing) and to KiM a few times. I prefer Kopaonik and Tara and Stara Planina to any mountain in KiM, and visit the mountains around Sarajevo sooner than southern KiM. Just my preference. You should come visit us in Serbia sometime.
(JS, 21 January 2017 08:52)
OK then since I have not proved it, what are you then?
So what .. ? The srps will start a war or smth ? You think the rest of the Balkans is going to bend over for srrpsks ? I resist such cheap laughter. Tito's time is over. You're Balkan like the rest. Nobody likes you anymore than you're strategically placed, meaning, you will be told when to start something. And leave religion out of this. You're obssesed with it like Saudis are. Whether jesus or muhamed, you're just another fundamentalist religious country.
Americans, especially US Forces know we bombed the wrong side
(Watcher, 21 January 2017 00:17)
Are you the new Pentagon spokesperson, dear?! Just asking because I could not find any announcement from the new US Defense Secretary that a certain Watcher has been appointed as the new Pentagon spokesperson.
In reference to the views of political analyst Jenssen that, President Trump will neglect parts of the country and will let Vladimir Putin to take over, for that to happen he has to have full support of Congress and the Pentagon and they will never, ever let that happen. Putin's dreams of controlling parts of Europe, especially countries that were under Russian control is only that a dream of Putin and nothing else. He might as well come back to reality and forget his dream.
Albanians live in a dream on here...first you hate Russia and china and now you think they will be on your side hehhe the new world is here ladies and gentleman and its led by Russia an china.....china has invested in Serbia and is investing much more this year...Russia has donated war planes and missiles are arriving....like they said Serbia is going to be the leaders in the Balkans for peace;;;; and oh shields are arriving next....old America and grandpa nato days are all over....same with American isis allies all getting destroyed....all the big young nations are joining Russia-china including turkey which has....and so many others.....the other former Yugoslav nations including Albanians are going to keep quite or you will be spanked your Nazi thinking like America days are over world peace is here and business.... nobody will come to help you anymore......so now to the Serbs business and prosperity is coming and has arrived as you see businesses are in and are building ....so start having more kids bigger families because your future is here....
I'm going to laugh when Russia screws the Serbs and makes a deal with Kosovo for Crimea recognition. Once again your Russian "friends" will screw you because you don't learn. Last time was in 1999 when they sat on their hands instead of helping Serbia. Remember when they defended Novi Sad and Belgrade by occupying Pristina Airport after the war was over? Such a strong defense after doing nothing for months. Funny how Muslim states like Syria and Iran can get anti-aircraft missiles, but Orthodox brother Serbia can't. Too funny. Even Greece, a NATO member, has Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles.
(LK, 20 January 2017 16:12) # Comme
To LK,
You think that China that invested over 2 billion dollars in 2015'2016 ,and want to invest more are NOT going to block in UN , USA to recognise Kosovo as a country. USA is already having problems with Chinese government.
You only need one ,either Russia or China to say ,NO.
in Russia that is the only automobile Russians can afford.
(US Special Forces, 20 January 2017 23:19)
When was the last time that you visited Moscow? You will find more BMW, Benz and Bentleys here than in any sity of the USA. To say nothing of the ugly street roads that I saw yesterday in Washington. Enter U-tube to see that Russia is different from what you think.
"I was born in Australia whereas you were not born in the country that you currently live so why aren’t you in Kosova or Albania????? Ps I have been to both."
You still haven't provided any proof that I am Albanian. As it turns out, I have only been to Albania twice (both times sightseeing) and to KiM a few times. I prefer Kopaonik and Tara and Stara Planina to any mountain in KiM, and visit the mountains around Sarajevo sooner than southern KiM. Just my preference. You should come visit us in Serbia sometime.
Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone.
(sj, 20 January 2017 14:11)
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 20 January 2017 15:34)
I see its an other dumb arse statement LOL.
(sj, 20 January 2017 22:23)
Why? Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to present cannot be undone (as commanded by the CE of B92 forums sj)?!
@ us special forces you're not - not even close, dear! Americans, especially US Forces know we bombed the wrong side...at least Rote is proud Russian... U hide!
I don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
(The Count of Kosova, 20 January 2017 13:46)
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I don't know what crack pipe you've been smoking.
You think that's what took place the last 20 years is: "Grow up and solve your problems yourselves"
You don't even realize on what sort of slippery slope you stand.
Wanna to turn the planet into an ash tray?
(rote, 20 January 2017 15:43)
Actually, rote, in the US we use the old Yugo automobiles as ash trays or flower pots. That's all they are good for, although, in Russia that is the only automobile Russians can afford.
It starts with some cogent points but it always devolves into meaningless drivel.
Why pretend you are a Serb when clearly you are an Albo? Ashamed? well I dont blame you since Albos have a terrible reputation in Europe.
You don't seem to know the difference between "cannot" and "will not." Or else bitterness is blinding you to the difference.
Well here is your problem. Currently even with reduced military budgets the US military is unable to fill quotas in their ranks, especially the army. In other words people are not joining the military since they no longer see it as a good career option except for getting killed or maimed. Yes the US can mobilise but so can anyone everyone else.
Is there any chance you are living in Australia and not Serbia?
I was born in Australia whereas you were not born in the country that you currently live so why aren’t you in Kosova or Albania????? Ps I have been to both.
Oh yes, and Afghanistan too?
Yes Afghanistan was for oil and gas. George W Bush entertained the Taliban on his ranch back in 1989 to get agreement build a pipeline for oil and gas from Azerbaijan via Turkmenistan, Afghanistan (Taliban were the only ones holding out) and the Pakistan to bypass Russia. If you believe that Afghanistan was invaded for other reasons then you are living with pixies.
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 20 January 2017 15:34)
I'm going to laugh when Russia screws the Serbs and makes a deal with Kosovo for Crimea recognition. Once again your Russian "friends" will screw you because you don't learn. Last time was in 1999 when they sat on their hands instead of helping Serbia. Remember when they defended Novi Sad and Belgrade by occupying Pristina Airport after the war was over? Such a strong defense after doing nothing for months. Funny how Muslim states like Syria and Iran can get anti-aircraft missiles, but Orthodox brother Serbia can't. Too funny. Even Greece, a NATO member, has Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles.
"Many things have changed in the last couple of years. Let me bring you up to date. US has lost numerous wars and it cannot commit to land assaults since the US people are all tired of wars."
You don't seem to know the difference between "cannot" and "will not." Or else bitterness is blinding you to the difference.
"This not 1999 but 2017 mate."
Is there any chance you are living in Australia and not Serbia?
"The US did not try and remove Assad because they wanted to give Syrians “freedom”. Its all about oil and gas."
Oh yes, and Afghanistan too?
"Why do a deal with Iran? surely they are the most powerful country; what happened?"
You only seem to think in terms of power. That's why you don't understand the decision making in Washington, or among the American people.
"Yes the US spends more than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran. However, they produce crap like the F35 and there are others such as Littoral combat ships. The US military complexes have become so used to gorging on large sums of money they have become useless."
F35s are "useless"? That is an interesting description. Kind of like the F15 and F16s that hit Yugoslavia in 1999?
I agree that the United States government is not operating on sound business principles.
"There is nothing to prophesise as only the inherently stupid think everything is fine with US spending."
On a solid business model, US spending should decrease in order to eliminate the enormous federal defecit. But American lifestyle would still be leaps and bounds ahead of Serbia in material terms. So what's your point?
"I hate people that try and compare Serbia with the US."
Why? Because you have something to be ashamed about?
"As far as “our Serbian nation” goes you are an Albanian so you are not Serbian."
Oh really? Please share your source. I really look forward to the humor.
Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone.
(sj, 20 January 2017 14:11)
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
(JS, 20 January 2017 12:35)
It seems likely the basis for this are negative feelings toward the United States. It might be true but not for the reason I suppose you are saying this.
What is that reason?
I thought this is what you are prophesying. If this is a prophecy then it must be future tense not present tense. But I don't think your far right-wing nationalist statements correlate with reality. If per capital GDP of $53,000 constitutes bankruptcy and ruin then I wonder what adjective we would use when talking about our Serbian nation?
There is nothing to prophesise as only the inherently stupid think everything is fine with US spending. But if it makes your life easier then it’s all made up by US haters, including me. As far as the GDP goes, and it’s the first things that people like you go for, then you don’t have a thing to be concerned as the US debt is no existent, America’s standard of living is high and Trump will make America great again while borrowing more and more, but US has the pixies on its side and thus borrowings will never hurt it..
I hate people that try and compare Serbia with the US. As far as “our Serbian nation” goes you are an Albanian so you are not Serbian.
Many things have changed in the last couple of years. Let me bring you up to date. US has lost numerous wars and it cannot commit to land assaults since the US people are all tired of wars. The US lost about 10,000 in Iraq alone.
This not 1999 but 2017 mate. The US did not try and remove Assad because they wanted to give Syrians “freedom”. Its all about oil and gas. Why do a deal with Iran? surely they are the most powerful country; what happened? lost their balls?
Yes the US spends more than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran. However, they produce crap like the F35 and there are others such as Littoral combat ships. The US military complexes have become so used to gorging on large sums of money they have become useless. As one US analyst said, the other side gets more bang for their buck. Russians allocate $200 million for a new generation aircraft and for that they get the final product. In the US they would bother to get out of bed for less than $1 billion.
Look at this, especially watch the last part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4doIA3T9ps
“not the will of the American people” why do you people always regurgitate spin? No one cares what the people want and that is a fact otherwise the US would not be in this predicament.
don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
(The Count of Kosova, 20 January 2017 13:46)
Well Groom of the stool if you were not filling your nappies over these changes you would not even bother being on this site. Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone. Sleep tight.
Newcomer 'Dragan G.' is the troll here. SJ & Ari Gold have been posting on B92 for years without trouble but Dragan G. pops up squealing about 'dying out Serbs'. He can't even be bothered with basic netiquette by posting the link to the Balkan Insight article covering Dejevsky's opinion in The Tablet. Sad really, but just another shouting voice who thinks only his opinion is right.
1. Stop your juvenile ways. Grow up and solve your problems yourselves.
2. Get in a room and negotiate.
3. If you can't do that then fight it out and to the winner go the spoils.
(factman, 20 January 2017 02:25)
I don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
Russia has been waiting patiently for changes with the new regime, but if Trump does not bring it about then a new and much, much more aggressive Russia will appear on the world stage.
(sj, 20 January 2017 10:46)
"At the switch of a button Iran stops oil tankers going through the Straits of Hormuz and Russia backs Iran. How long will Europe of US last again???"
At the switch of which button? Russia had backed Iran for years but the Strait of Hormuz remains open. And have you forgotten that the United States has a military budget larger than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran? After you stop slobbering all over your keyboard with the thought that the country you passionately hate might loose a "power struggle" (part of which seems to originate within your own imagination, not the will of the American people) then I hope you will return to planet Earth with the rest of us. You are certainly welcome.
On 20th January 2017 begins a very special period. Both American and Russian leaders are true Men of Peace. Every nation, every country is going to see an optimistic future. The only losers are the members of the Washington-based, worldwide mafia of ”globalists”, bankers, monstrous corporations, war-industry, the present mainstream media and - of course - every self-proclaimed, criminal ”government”. No more ”elites”, no more pervertic propaganda. At Balkans: no more EU-lapdogs. In Serbia: no more - rekao bih - ”pal” of Joe Biden.
"The current Russians administration can run rings around anything that the US can put forward, including Trump."
It seems likely the basis for this are negative feelings toward the United States. It might be true but not for the reason I suppose you are saying this.
"Why would Russia trade anything? Look at the US financial outlook and see what would happen if Trump follows the same path as his predecessors – ruin and bankruptcy."
I thought this is what you are prophesying. If this is a prophecy then it must be future tense not present tense. But I don't think your far right-wing nationalist statements correlate with reality. If per capital GDP of $53,000 constitutes bankruptcy and ruin then I wonder what adjective we would use when talking about our Serbian nation?
Let me tell to you that the plan of Russia to destroy EU, take it time, I think many years!
I don’t know what will happen, but one thing's sure when EU will fall all will miss it.
Now Europe is facing a lot of problems, which mostly were not caused by her. Europe has a lot of problems with Ukraine, Greece, Brexit, Ballkan and if this was not enough with a lot of refugies and the fear of terrorisms which was never a problem for Europe but just for US.
US and Russia have transferred their problems into Europe. And of course EU was not prepared - it happened too fast.
Now, in my opinion Russia will join a first round victory, before that EU and USA prepare themselves, and make some plans how to weaken Russia.
Is that what will happen, is inevitable!
But that will not bring nothing good!
Most probably Serbs called Lavrov as he said and asked to Russia what to do? If Russia will be interested to resolve this problem and interfere in Serbian favour this was the best chance. I don’t know but having present the declaration that Lavrov say: *that there will not allow another war in Balkan*, and the change of aggressivity of Serbs i have my doubt on tell that: Russia told to you that a new war on Balkan will not be allowed again! I must translate it : that she will not cover you, because that for sure would be against her expansion on Balkan.
If Russian interest is to expand her influence in Balkan i just have a simple question for Serbs: Why she will help you destabilizing all the region? The conflict would be resolved just with war, but In all the Balkan from Hungary to Greece live nationalistic minorities in all the countries, and the conflict will easily going in chain from a country to another and the conflict must get out the control, having present the nationalism in Balkan.
I like the change of the intonations in this forum. Looks like we began to hear one another. What I personally expect from Trump is as follows :
1/ For many months his administration will have hands tied by the liberasts. This word is used in Russia as combination of libarals and pederasts. Word pederast in 90% of cases is used in the meaning of a bad man and in 10% as gay.
2/ Trump will try to sell Russia all dead cats they have exposing some of the things as gifts. Russia is no longer ready to be deseived so Putin will not accept dead cats in Syria, Ukraine, Moldova and Balkanes.
3/ American interests and united elite remained as they used to be so contradictions will remain especially when they will ask Russia betray China. Russia won't betray anyone.
4/ EU will be waste a material for the US body and their British head. It may destabilize many regions including the Balkans.
5/ Russias role on Balkans will grow only if we are above all but not a side in the fight.
Whatever. Is it let's-cheer-the-diaspora-Serbs-season on B92? For what its worth, I doubt Trump is going to last a full term, let alone get another one
(Dragan G., 20 January 2017 05:22)
First I do not work for Dacic nor do I live in Serbia. For that matter I was not born in that country, but I do love the Serb people.
Second please stop reading nonsense. I can quote you dozens of so called reputable think tanks and publications that made predictions about the Balkans and not one of their so called predictions have come true.
The current Russians administration can run rings around anything that the US can put forward, including Trump. As far as Trump sizing up, being in politics and leading a country is far, far more complex than his reality show. He will find that out soon.
Why would Russia trade anything? Look at the US financial outlook and see what would happen if Trump follows the same path as his predecessors – ruin and bankruptcy.
Russia now has its foot firmly in Syria and Turkey is on its side. Oil can only go through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran controls Iraq whether the US likes it or not. At the switch of a button Iran stops oil tankers going through the Straits of Hormuz and Russia backs Iran. How long will Europe of US last again???
The Russians have played the US off a break where most Europeans see the US as an outright aggressor. Russia has been waiting patiently for changes with the new regime, but if Trump does not bring it about then a new and much, much more aggressive Russia will appear on the world stage.
What is this kind of *title*?? It offend me, and anger me a lot. It look like in Ballkan live some slaves which people must do whatever they want, and talk that are selling "something" them to a new patron, like they were slaves?
This is offensive to me!
But, reading that i realize how miserable Ballkan is and what a joke! I realize that Ballkan is like a pottage when all tamper for their interest.
Yes this is offensive, but is an offensively true. We are here to sotisfy *others* interest and we deserve that.
And yes, if there will be a war in Europe, Serbs will be responsable again. For the next 20 years you will be ashamed of telling that you are Serbs, and all your neighbors just will spit on you face, hateing the double of what they hate you now, and of course will resist waiting silently their turn, till the next *selling*.
But honestly i have read several time the declaration made by Lavrov, and have have tried to translate it! It was not *agresive* haveing present the incident which Serbs pretend that was Albanian foult. In other circumstance that Russia would be threatening us, but that did not seem to me. In such a cases the Russian declaration came immediately, i have present those made to Croatia, Mne, Bosnia, (and i have ever present the loud tones Russia use ) but that take a little and when it came is came like a bit like spontaneous, when mr. Lavrov talk on his annual speaking.
One of Britain’s most respected experts and commentators on Russia has floated the prospect of Russia recognising Kosovo’s independence as part of a wider agreement between Washington and Moscow, once Donald Trump takes the reins as US President.
Mary Dejevsky, a former Moscow and Washington correspondent and now Guardian writer and member of the UK’s Chatham House think tank, raised the idea in Britain’s Catholic Tablet magazine in its January 21 edition, reflecting on the possible consequences of a successful Trump-Putin meeting in the near future.
Trump has repeatedly stated his desire to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin soon after his inauguration and put US-Russian ties on a new footing.
Dejevsky, who regularly meets Kremlin leaders through the Valdai Group, which meets Russian officials each autumn, suggested Moscow could recognise Kosovo as part of a package aimed at closing down various post-Cold War diplomatic issues that have dogged relations between the powers.
In the article, Dejevsky described Trump as a deal maker who would soon size up whether the Russian leader was serious about an agreement, and would walk away and make other arrangements if he felt misled.
However, Dejevsky said Putin was investing heavily in making a deal with the new US Administration work, and was unlikely to let the opportunity slip, as it would damage his domestic standing.
We Serbs are dying faster than we are reproducing. We can't afford another catastrophic war, have we learned nothing from the last 25 years. The same politicians that supported Milosevic are leading Serbia into another disaster. When will we wake up. Don't listen to trolls like sj and Ari Gold that work for Dacic for 200 Euros per month.
I don't mean to offend anyone, there are good people on both sides. But to create something who can't stand on its own feet, disaster is coming sooner or later. We wonder the real intention of those big powers who are calling the shots. Decent ordinary Balkan people deserve peace and prosperity. You all know well who really profitted and will continue to profit from conflict on any side. Learn from your own mistakes, and give your children and grandchildren a chance of peace.
Russian backed Serbia is going to destabilize the Balkans as always.
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No its not.
The Balkans are already unstable that's why there are troops there. The most unstable places are Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia (you can figure out what they all have in common).
The nation states of the western Balkans are mostly incompetent (with a few exceptions).
The pull-back of the USA is going to make them grow up very fast and to stop relying on an artificially imposed stability.
Grow up and solve your problems. Negotiate with your neighbors. Figure it out. Grow your economy. Make yourself useful in the global war against islamic terrorism.
Finally, after 27 years the USA is doing the right thing for itself. The last 27 years have been a disaster for all Americans and finally we are rid of it.
1. Stop your juvenile ways. Grow up and solve your problems yourselves.
2. Get in a room and negotiate.
3. If you can't do that then fight it out and to the winner go the spoils.
nothing new here. This is the way the world works, and after 23 years of Clinton-Bush-Obama nonsense, we are reverting back to the norm.
Bye Bye Clinton-ism and Obama-ism. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
I can't believe how many Serbians here are joyful at the thought of another war. Whether it is in Bosnia or in Kosovo you have to realize that if it happens a lot more Serbian blood will be shed.
It will not be like the 1990's with an arms embargo placed on the region when the Serb dominated JNA had all the weapons and was able to do what it wanted.
Do you not remember that after 4 years the Croatians were able to strengthen themselves and conduct Operation Oluja?
What do you think the Bosnians and Kosovo Albanians have been doing over the last 15 years?
It will not be as easy as quick and easy as you think.
A lot more Serbian blood will be spilled if you continue to follow your current batch of "leaders".
RUSSIA is going to destabilize the Balkans?
NO, no, no, no, no, You along with your pals and Jihadists the Bosniaks and Croatians have destabilized the Balkans with a lot of help from Clinton.
Who started the mess? Who broke away without any consultation from the government and that is unconstitutional? Serbia didn't start attacking anyone. You started it with breakaways and land grabs.
I always knew and said that once Trump takes office a shiny new world will begin.
(Peggy, 19 January 2017 21:17)
Poor little piggy. You have inherited the Slobo spirit. Dont you find it curious that no one in the former Yugoslavia wanted to stay with you. Not even Macedonia and CrnaGora. Those lands were never yours and they will never be.
Dont forget, Serbia is not in possession of the entire Yugoslav Army and resources anymore. You wont be facing ordinary citizens taking up arms. We all have armies and allies. There is not just US and Russia. Remember it was England and Germany who flew by far the most attacks. Another war in the Balkans is a suicide mission for the whole peninsula. Times have changed so be careful what you wish for.
The Balkans, where we find the lions share of the 12 countries that are Majority Eastern Orthodox Christian, will assign the "first among equals" position to Moscow.
This is a good thing, because Christians in the Mid East need championing, and frankly the US isn't in the strongest position to deliver that.
The only reason a Trump Administration would pay any attention to the Balkans is if the Albanians start another war. They've done Serbia. They've done Macedonia. Montenegro? If they're that dumb, it'll be the graveyard of Greater - sorry 'Natural' - Albania, whether King Djukanovic is still in power or not. The party is over.
If only there was some sort of union between the southern Slav countries in which they looked after their own self-interest without being pushed around by competing empires.
(Andrew, 19 January 2017 20:54)
There was. Croat and Albanian nationalists ruined it.
Its not just the Balkans that the US has to relinquish and the reason why is as follows:
Total US debt is $67 trillion. Federal, State and Local governments’ portion of total debt is $23 trillion collectively. The Feds owe $20 trillion and as of 1 January 2017 the next trillion is being spent. State and local Governments owe $3 trillion.
The size of the US economy is about $17 trillion, but it’s not due to increased productivity, as it’s inflated for several reasons, and one major reason is quantitative easing measures. Thus the overall percentage of debt to GDP is 400%.
The actual percentage of Government debt to GDP now is 121%, but most do not take into account intergovernmental debt of $5.5 trillion, which is a debt that attracts interest and has to be repaid so we claims of only 100% of government debt to GDP. Some prominent economists claim that these figures are conservative and believe it’s as high as 135%, depending what other debt is taken into account.
The US has unfunded liabilities of $100 trillion, once again this is a conservative figure. Others claim it’s as high as $250 trillion.
102 million live on or below the poverty line. 95 million are no longer in the labour force.
About 47% of all working adults in the US hold down fulltime jobs. According to Federal Government criteria for unemployment 15 million meet it, but the Government only claims 7.5 million are unemployed. Actual level of unemployment ranges from 24% and can be as high as 32%.
So Donald trump it's going to give Kosovo back to Serbia, and Russia it's going to be in charge in Balkan . Please don't wake me up for a while , i'm enjoying this dream
would be great if the people of the balkans really ruled their home by themselves, not by austria-germany aka EU, not by anglo-americans, not by russians and not by the turks either.
I guess we`ll see. The alternative is clear. Russian backed Serbia is going to destabalize the Balkans as always. War. Death. etc. I suppose most of you still remember.
(Gjon Marku, 19 January 2017 18:03)
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RUSSIA is going to destabilize the Balkans?
NO, no, no, no, no, You along with your pals and Jihadists the Bosniaks and Croatians have destabilized the Balkans with a lot of help from Clinton.
Who started the mess? Who broke away without any consultation from the government and that is unconstitutional? Serbia didn't start attacking anyone. You started it with breakaways and land grabs.
I always knew and said that once Trump takes office a shiny new world will begin.
Beograd is worthy of being the stability factor in the balkans. Extend the hand of peace and respect, trust & peace will follow....unless Putin has other plans! Then we all pray!
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Don't blame this on Putin if it all turns sour. Clinton had other plans and look what happened so why worry about Putin?
Now about extending the hand of friendship.....
Europe has bent over backwards appeasing Muslims and how did that work out?
Time has come for peace and that will only be achieved by keeping Muslims in check. No more enjoying someone else's land.
Don't like it, you have Albania to go to.
Don't like it, you have Turkey to go to for Bosniaks.
I know serbs hope for some changes towards Kosova from Trump. But it wont happend. Kosova declared independence while republicans were in power, and they suported it.
Do serbs belive that Trump will give away everything and lay down on its knees for Russian cooperation? Dont forget that only one man cannot rule an country on his own. Republican party and CIA wont let him do somthing against the interest of US.
He may give up on Crimea for Russian recognition of Kosova. That is possible!
"NATO and all it's used for today is a means for neocon warmongers and war profiteers to instigate conflicts worldwide."
LOL, Ari you have mentioned you live in the USA. Care to name some of those neocons you talk about and the party they are affiliated with? Is it the same party that holds the majority in the US congress now? Question, who did the NRA and the whole weapon manufacturing complex support during the elections? Trump said he will be great for American businesses, does that include the weapon manufacturers?
About the article, nobody really knows how Trump will behave, I believe not even he knows. He is a wildcard.
If only there was some sort of union between the southern Slav countries in which they looked after their own self-interest without being pushed around by competing empires.
One of Britain’s most respected experts and commentators on Russia has floated the prospect of Russia recognising Kosovo’s independence as part of a wider agreement between Washington and Moscow, once Donald Trump takes the reins as US President...
I would not call the ”Russian backed” Serbia a destabilizing factor.
The destabilizing factors are:
1. The European Union (aka Germany), which plays former Yugoslavian nations against each other.
2. The borders, which create very artificial constructions (like ”BiH”) and divide the Serbian people.
It may be difficult for many to understand, but the unified Serbia is the balancing factor Europe needs to prevent the hegemony of the unified (1990) Germany.
"The winds of change" are basically upon us...Believe me, unless we ALL talk and negotiate a solution that works for all somehow, it will not bode well for anybody. Even though Beograd would benefit mostly, it is extremely important for us to show wisdom and maturity that we've bragged about in the last few years. It is a perfect time to show that Beograd is worthy of being the stability factor in the balkans. Extend the hand of peace and respect, trust & peace will follow....unless Putin has other plans! Then we all pray!
Considering that the new Secretary of Defense "Warrior Monk" Mattis is a die-hard NATO supporter and the new UN appointee Nikki Haley has already lashed out at Russia. I dont think that the US will change their policy in the balkans.
It was the same story with Bush and we all saw what happened. He recognized Kosovo.
The Balkans are going to profit from the situation in the Ukraine. Trump wants to show everybody that he`s a strong man and the balkans are going to be his playground.
I guess we`ll see. The alternative is clear. Russian backed Serbia is going to destabalize the Balkans as always. War. Death. etc. I suppose most of you still remember.
"Trump will have no interest in that. To him, this is a second and third-rate issue"
That's because NATO does not actually benefit the people of America. U.S. taxpayers fund most of NATO and all it's used for today is a means for neocon warmongers and war profiteers to instigate conflicts worldwide. And NATO finds itself constantly standing on the side of the terrorists whether it's in the Balkans, Libya or Syria. It's probably no wonder why people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are rolling in Saudi money. The American people want Trump to drain this swamp.
"still more or less expressed, old nationalist regimes in the Balkans that have basically been in charge since the collapse of Yugoslavia."
Since before the collapse. The people in charge today in all ex-YU countries are the former communists and their offspring. They wear different political badges now, but they are the same corrupt scum that have actually ruled since 1945, not 1995.
"Pristina's fear of a partition of Kosovo" is "certainly justified."
Belgrade's fear of partition of Serbia is also certainly justified.
Anyway, Trump definitely wants to break the neocon hold on foreign policy. But he is just one guy, and America has a very deep state. It will be almost impossible, but that man took on the whole establishment, and won.
"Trump will have no interest in that. To him, this is a second and third-rate issue"
That's because NATO does not actually benefit the people of America. U.S. taxpayers fund most of NATO and all it's used for today is a means for neocon warmongers and war profiteers to instigate conflicts worldwide. And NATO finds itself constantly standing on the side of the terrorists whether it's in the Balkans, Libya or Syria. It's probably no wonder why people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are rolling in Saudi money. The American people want Trump to drain this swamp.
"still more or less expressed, old nationalist regimes in the Balkans that have basically been in charge since the collapse of Yugoslavia."
Since before the collapse. The people in charge today in all ex-YU countries are the former communists and their offspring. They wear different political badges now, but they are the same corrupt scum that have actually ruled since 1945, not 1995.
"Pristina's fear of a partition of Kosovo" is "certainly justified."
Belgrade's fear of partition of Serbia is also certainly justified.
Anyway, Trump definitely wants to break the neocon hold on foreign policy. But he is just one guy, and America has a very deep state. It will be almost impossible, but that man took on the whole establishment, and won.
Considering that the new Secretary of Defense "Warrior Monk" Mattis is a die-hard NATO supporter and the new UN appointee Nikki Haley has already lashed out at Russia. I dont think that the US will change their policy in the balkans.
It was the same story with Bush and we all saw what happened. He recognized Kosovo.
The Balkans are going to profit from the situation in the Ukraine. Trump wants to show everybody that he`s a strong man and the balkans are going to be his playground.
I guess we`ll see. The alternative is clear. Russian backed Serbia is going to destabalize the Balkans as always. War. Death. etc. I suppose most of you still remember.
"The winds of change" are basically upon us...Believe me, unless we ALL talk and negotiate a solution that works for all somehow, it will not bode well for anybody. Even though Beograd would benefit mostly, it is extremely important for us to show wisdom and maturity that we've bragged about in the last few years. It is a perfect time to show that Beograd is worthy of being the stability factor in the balkans. Extend the hand of peace and respect, trust & peace will follow....unless Putin has other plans! Then we all pray!
I guess we`ll see. The alternative is clear. Russian backed Serbia is going to destabalize the Balkans as always. War. Death. etc. I suppose most of you still remember.
(Gjon Marku, 19 January 2017 18:03)
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RUSSIA is going to destabilize the Balkans?
NO, no, no, no, no, You along with your pals and Jihadists the Bosniaks and Croatians have destabilized the Balkans with a lot of help from Clinton.
Who started the mess? Who broke away without any consultation from the government and that is unconstitutional? Serbia didn't start attacking anyone. You started it with breakaways and land grabs.
I always knew and said that once Trump takes office a shiny new world will begin.
Beograd is worthy of being the stability factor in the balkans. Extend the hand of peace and respect, trust & peace will follow....unless Putin has other plans! Then we all pray!
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Don't blame this on Putin if it all turns sour. Clinton had other plans and look what happened so why worry about Putin?
Now about extending the hand of friendship.....
Europe has bent over backwards appeasing Muslims and how did that work out?
Time has come for peace and that will only be achieved by keeping Muslims in check. No more enjoying someone else's land.
Don't like it, you have Albania to go to.
Don't like it, you have Turkey to go to for Bosniaks.
would be great if the people of the balkans really ruled their home by themselves, not by austria-germany aka EU, not by anglo-americans, not by russians and not by the turks either.
I would not call the ”Russian backed” Serbia a destabilizing factor.
The destabilizing factors are:
1. The European Union (aka Germany), which plays former Yugoslavian nations against each other.
2. The borders, which create very artificial constructions (like ”BiH”) and divide the Serbian people.
It may be difficult for many to understand, but the unified Serbia is the balancing factor Europe needs to prevent the hegemony of the unified (1990) Germany.
If only there was some sort of union between the southern Slav countries in which they looked after their own self-interest without being pushed around by competing empires.
One of Britain’s most respected experts and commentators on Russia has floated the prospect of Russia recognising Kosovo’s independence as part of a wider agreement between Washington and Moscow, once Donald Trump takes the reins as US President...
I know serbs hope for some changes towards Kosova from Trump. But it wont happend. Kosova declared independence while republicans were in power, and they suported it.
Do serbs belive that Trump will give away everything and lay down on its knees for Russian cooperation? Dont forget that only one man cannot rule an country on his own. Republican party and CIA wont let him do somthing against the interest of US.
He may give up on Crimea for Russian recognition of Kosova. That is possible!
So Donald trump it's going to give Kosovo back to Serbia, and Russia it's going to be in charge in Balkan . Please don't wake me up for a while , i'm enjoying this dream
Its not just the Balkans that the US has to relinquish and the reason why is as follows:
Total US debt is $67 trillion. Federal, State and Local governments’ portion of total debt is $23 trillion collectively. The Feds owe $20 trillion and as of 1 January 2017 the next trillion is being spent. State and local Governments owe $3 trillion.
The size of the US economy is about $17 trillion, but it’s not due to increased productivity, as it’s inflated for several reasons, and one major reason is quantitative easing measures. Thus the overall percentage of debt to GDP is 400%.
The actual percentage of Government debt to GDP now is 121%, but most do not take into account intergovernmental debt of $5.5 trillion, which is a debt that attracts interest and has to be repaid so we claims of only 100% of government debt to GDP. Some prominent economists claim that these figures are conservative and believe it’s as high as 135%, depending what other debt is taken into account.
The US has unfunded liabilities of $100 trillion, once again this is a conservative figure. Others claim it’s as high as $250 trillion.
102 million live on or below the poverty line. 95 million are no longer in the labour force.
About 47% of all working adults in the US hold down fulltime jobs. According to Federal Government criteria for unemployment 15 million meet it, but the Government only claims 7.5 million are unemployed. Actual level of unemployment ranges from 24% and can be as high as 32%.
I'm going to laugh when Russia screws the Serbs and makes a deal with Kosovo for Crimea recognition. Once again your Russian "friends" will screw you because you don't learn. Last time was in 1999 when they sat on their hands instead of helping Serbia. Remember when they defended Novi Sad and Belgrade by occupying Pristina Airport after the war was over? Such a strong defense after doing nothing for months. Funny how Muslim states like Syria and Iran can get anti-aircraft missiles, but Orthodox brother Serbia can't. Too funny. Even Greece, a NATO member, has Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles.
"NATO and all it's used for today is a means for neocon warmongers and war profiteers to instigate conflicts worldwide."
LOL, Ari you have mentioned you live in the USA. Care to name some of those neocons you talk about and the party they are affiliated with? Is it the same party that holds the majority in the US congress now? Question, who did the NRA and the whole weapon manufacturing complex support during the elections? Trump said he will be great for American businesses, does that include the weapon manufacturers?
About the article, nobody really knows how Trump will behave, I believe not even he knows. He is a wildcard.
What is this kind of *title*?? It offend me, and anger me a lot. It look like in Ballkan live some slaves which people must do whatever they want, and talk that are selling "something" them to a new patron, like they were slaves?
This is offensive to me!
But, reading that i realize how miserable Ballkan is and what a joke! I realize that Ballkan is like a pottage when all tamper for their interest.
Yes this is offensive, but is an offensively true. We are here to sotisfy *others* interest and we deserve that.
And yes, if there will be a war in Europe, Serbs will be responsable again. For the next 20 years you will be ashamed of telling that you are Serbs, and all your neighbors just will spit on you face, hateing the double of what they hate you now, and of course will resist waiting silently their turn, till the next *selling*.
But honestly i have read several time the declaration made by Lavrov, and have have tried to translate it! It was not *agresive* haveing present the incident which Serbs pretend that was Albanian foult. In other circumstance that Russia would be threatening us, but that did not seem to me. In such a cases the Russian declaration came immediately, i have present those made to Croatia, Mne, Bosnia, (and i have ever present the loud tones Russia use ) but that take a little and when it came is came like a bit like spontaneous, when mr. Lavrov talk on his annual speaking.
1. Stop your juvenile ways. Grow up and solve your problems yourselves.
2. Get in a room and negotiate.
3. If you can't do that then fight it out and to the winner go the spoils.
nothing new here. This is the way the world works, and after 23 years of Clinton-Bush-Obama nonsense, we are reverting back to the norm.
Bye Bye Clinton-ism and Obama-ism. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
Russian backed Serbia is going to destabilize the Balkans as always.
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No its not.
The Balkans are already unstable that's why there are troops there. The most unstable places are Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia (you can figure out what they all have in common).
The nation states of the western Balkans are mostly incompetent (with a few exceptions).
The pull-back of the USA is going to make them grow up very fast and to stop relying on an artificially imposed stability.
Grow up and solve your problems. Negotiate with your neighbors. Figure it out. Grow your economy. Make yourself useful in the global war against islamic terrorism.
Finally, after 27 years the USA is doing the right thing for itself. The last 27 years have been a disaster for all Americans and finally we are rid of it.
We Serbs are dying faster than we are reproducing. We can't afford another catastrophic war, have we learned nothing from the last 25 years. The same politicians that supported Milosevic are leading Serbia into another disaster. When will we wake up. Don't listen to trolls like sj and Ari Gold that work for Dacic for 200 Euros per month.
I'm going to laugh when Russia screws the Serbs and makes a deal with Kosovo for Crimea recognition. Once again your Russian "friends" will screw you because you don't learn. Last time was in 1999 when they sat on their hands instead of helping Serbia. Remember when they defended Novi Sad and Belgrade by occupying Pristina Airport after the war was over? Such a strong defense after doing nothing for months. Funny how Muslim states like Syria and Iran can get anti-aircraft missiles, but Orthodox brother Serbia can't. Too funny. Even Greece, a NATO member, has Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles.
(LK, 20 January 2017 16:12) # Comme
To LK,
You think that China that invested over 2 billion dollars in 2015'2016 ,and want to invest more are NOT going to block in UN , USA to recognise Kosovo as a country. USA is already having problems with Chinese government.
You only need one ,either Russia or China to say ,NO.
Albanians live in a dream on here...first you hate Russia and china and now you think they will be on your side hehhe the new world is here ladies and gentleman and its led by Russia an china.....china has invested in Serbia and is investing much more this year...Russia has donated war planes and missiles are arriving....like they said Serbia is going to be the leaders in the Balkans for peace;;;; and oh shields are arriving next....old America and grandpa nato days are all over....same with American isis allies all getting destroyed....all the big young nations are joining Russia-china including turkey which has....and so many others.....the other former Yugoslav nations including Albanians are going to keep quite or you will be spanked your Nazi thinking like America days are over world peace is here and business.... nobody will come to help you anymore......so now to the Serbs business and prosperity is coming and has arrived as you see businesses are in and are building ....so start having more kids bigger families because your future is here....
Let me tell to you that the plan of Russia to destroy EU, take it time, I think many years!
I don’t know what will happen, but one thing's sure when EU will fall all will miss it.
Now Europe is facing a lot of problems, which mostly were not caused by her. Europe has a lot of problems with Ukraine, Greece, Brexit, Ballkan and if this was not enough with a lot of refugies and the fear of terrorisms which was never a problem for Europe but just for US.
US and Russia have transferred their problems into Europe. And of course EU was not prepared - it happened too fast.
Now, in my opinion Russia will join a first round victory, before that EU and USA prepare themselves, and make some plans how to weaken Russia.
Is that what will happen, is inevitable!
But that will not bring nothing good!
If only there was some sort of union between the southern Slav countries in which they looked after their own self-interest without being pushed around by competing empires.
(Andrew, 19 January 2017 20:54)
There was. Croat and Albanian nationalists ruined it.
I can't believe how many Serbians here are joyful at the thought of another war. Whether it is in Bosnia or in Kosovo you have to realize that if it happens a lot more Serbian blood will be shed.
It will not be like the 1990's with an arms embargo placed on the region when the Serb dominated JNA had all the weapons and was able to do what it wanted.
Do you not remember that after 4 years the Croatians were able to strengthen themselves and conduct Operation Oluja?
What do you think the Bosnians and Kosovo Albanians have been doing over the last 15 years?
It will not be as easy as quick and easy as you think.
A lot more Serbian blood will be spilled if you continue to follow your current batch of "leaders".
Whatever. Is it let's-cheer-the-diaspora-Serbs-season on B92? For what its worth, I doubt Trump is going to last a full term, let alone get another one
Most probably Serbs called Lavrov as he said and asked to Russia what to do? If Russia will be interested to resolve this problem and interfere in Serbian favour this was the best chance. I don’t know but having present the declaration that Lavrov say: *that there will not allow another war in Balkan*, and the change of aggressivity of Serbs i have my doubt on tell that: Russia told to you that a new war on Balkan will not be allowed again! I must translate it : that she will not cover you, because that for sure would be against her expansion on Balkan.
If Russian interest is to expand her influence in Balkan i just have a simple question for Serbs: Why she will help you destabilizing all the region? The conflict would be resolved just with war, but In all the Balkan from Hungary to Greece live nationalistic minorities in all the countries, and the conflict will easily going in chain from a country to another and the conflict must get out the control, having present the nationalism in Balkan.
1. Stop your juvenile ways. Grow up and solve your problems yourselves.
2. Get in a room and negotiate.
3. If you can't do that then fight it out and to the winner go the spoils.
(factman, 20 January 2017 02:25)
I don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
Russia has been waiting patiently for changes with the new regime, but if Trump does not bring it about then a new and much, much more aggressive Russia will appear on the world stage.
(sj, 20 January 2017 10:46)
Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone.
(sj, 20 January 2017 14:11)
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
RUSSIA is going to destabilize the Balkans?
NO, no, no, no, no, You along with your pals and Jihadists the Bosniaks and Croatians have destabilized the Balkans with a lot of help from Clinton.
Who started the mess? Who broke away without any consultation from the government and that is unconstitutional? Serbia didn't start attacking anyone. You started it with breakaways and land grabs.
I always knew and said that once Trump takes office a shiny new world will begin.
(Peggy, 19 January 2017 21:17)
Poor little piggy. You have inherited the Slobo spirit. Dont you find it curious that no one in the former Yugoslavia wanted to stay with you. Not even Macedonia and CrnaGora. Those lands were never yours and they will never be.
Dont forget, Serbia is not in possession of the entire Yugoslav Army and resources anymore. You wont be facing ordinary citizens taking up arms. We all have armies and allies. There is not just US and Russia. Remember it was England and Germany who flew by far the most attacks. Another war in the Balkans is a suicide mission for the whole peninsula. Times have changed so be careful what you wish for.
The Balkans, where we find the lions share of the 12 countries that are Majority Eastern Orthodox Christian, will assign the "first among equals" position to Moscow.
This is a good thing, because Christians in the Mid East need championing, and frankly the US isn't in the strongest position to deliver that.
(Dragan G., 20 January 2017 05:22)
First I do not work for Dacic nor do I live in Serbia. For that matter I was not born in that country, but I do love the Serb people.
Second please stop reading nonsense. I can quote you dozens of so called reputable think tanks and publications that made predictions about the Balkans and not one of their so called predictions have come true.
The current Russians administration can run rings around anything that the US can put forward, including Trump. As far as Trump sizing up, being in politics and leading a country is far, far more complex than his reality show. He will find that out soon.
Why would Russia trade anything? Look at the US financial outlook and see what would happen if Trump follows the same path as his predecessors – ruin and bankruptcy.
Russia now has its foot firmly in Syria and Turkey is on its side. Oil can only go through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran controls Iraq whether the US likes it or not. At the switch of a button Iran stops oil tankers going through the Straits of Hormuz and Russia backs Iran. How long will Europe of US last again???
The Russians have played the US off a break where most Europeans see the US as an outright aggressor. Russia has been waiting patiently for changes with the new regime, but if Trump does not bring it about then a new and much, much more aggressive Russia will appear on the world stage.
The only reason a Trump Administration would pay any attention to the Balkans is if the Albanians start another war. They've done Serbia. They've done Macedonia. Montenegro? If they're that dumb, it'll be the graveyard of Greater - sorry 'Natural' - Albania, whether King Djukanovic is still in power or not. The party is over.
I don't mean to offend anyone, there are good people on both sides. But to create something who can't stand on its own feet, disaster is coming sooner or later. We wonder the real intention of those big powers who are calling the shots. Decent ordinary Balkan people deserve peace and prosperity. You all know well who really profitted and will continue to profit from conflict on any side. Learn from your own mistakes, and give your children and grandchildren a chance of peace.
One of Britain’s most respected experts and commentators on Russia has floated the prospect of Russia recognising Kosovo’s independence as part of a wider agreement between Washington and Moscow, once Donald Trump takes the reins as US President.
Mary Dejevsky, a former Moscow and Washington correspondent and now Guardian writer and member of the UK’s Chatham House think tank, raised the idea in Britain’s Catholic Tablet magazine in its January 21 edition, reflecting on the possible consequences of a successful Trump-Putin meeting in the near future.
Trump has repeatedly stated his desire to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin soon after his inauguration and put US-Russian ties on a new footing.
Dejevsky, who regularly meets Kremlin leaders through the Valdai Group, which meets Russian officials each autumn, suggested Moscow could recognise Kosovo as part of a package aimed at closing down various post-Cold War diplomatic issues that have dogged relations between the powers.
In the article, Dejevsky described Trump as a deal maker who would soon size up whether the Russian leader was serious about an agreement, and would walk away and make other arrangements if he felt misled.
However, Dejevsky said Putin was investing heavily in making a deal with the new US Administration work, and was unlikely to let the opportunity slip, as it would damage his domestic standing.
don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
(The Count of Kosova, 20 January 2017 13:46)
Well Groom of the stool if you were not filling your nappies over these changes you would not even bother being on this site. Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone. Sleep tight.
It starts with some cogent points but it always devolves into meaningless drivel.
Why pretend you are a Serb when clearly you are an Albo? Ashamed? well I dont blame you since Albos have a terrible reputation in Europe.
You don't seem to know the difference between "cannot" and "will not." Or else bitterness is blinding you to the difference.
Well here is your problem. Currently even with reduced military budgets the US military is unable to fill quotas in their ranks, especially the army. In other words people are not joining the military since they no longer see it as a good career option except for getting killed or maimed. Yes the US can mobilise but so can anyone everyone else.
Is there any chance you are living in Australia and not Serbia?
I was born in Australia whereas you were not born in the country that you currently live so why aren’t you in Kosova or Albania????? Ps I have been to both.
Oh yes, and Afghanistan too?
Yes Afghanistan was for oil and gas. George W Bush entertained the Taliban on his ranch back in 1989 to get agreement build a pipeline for oil and gas from Azerbaijan via Turkmenistan, Afghanistan (Taliban were the only ones holding out) and the Pakistan to bypass Russia. If you believe that Afghanistan was invaded for other reasons then you are living with pixies.
Wanna to turn the planet into an ash tray?
(rote, 20 January 2017 15:43)
Actually, rote, in the US we use the old Yugo automobiles as ash trays or flower pots. That's all they are good for, although, in Russia that is the only automobile Russians can afford.
@ us special forces you're not - not even close, dear! Americans, especially US Forces know we bombed the wrong side...at least Rote is proud Russian... U hide!
in Russia that is the only automobile Russians can afford.
(US Special Forces, 20 January 2017 23:19)
When was the last time that you visited Moscow? You will find more BMW, Benz and Bentleys here than in any sity of the USA. To say nothing of the ugly street roads that I saw yesterday in Washington. Enter U-tube to see that Russia is different from what you think.
In reference to the views of political analyst Jenssen that, President Trump will neglect parts of the country and will let Vladimir Putin to take over, for that to happen he has to have full support of Congress and the Pentagon and they will never, ever let that happen. Putin's dreams of controlling parts of Europe, especially countries that were under Russian control is only that a dream of Putin and nothing else. He might as well come back to reality and forget his dream.
So what .. ? The srps will start a war or smth ? You think the rest of the Balkans is going to bend over for srrpsks ? I resist such cheap laughter. Tito's time is over. You're Balkan like the rest. Nobody likes you anymore than you're strategically placed, meaning, you will be told when to start something. And leave religion out of this. You're obssesed with it like Saudis are. Whether jesus or muhamed, you're just another fundamentalist religious country.
I like the change of the intonations in this forum. Looks like we began to hear one another. What I personally expect from Trump is as follows :
1/ For many months his administration will have hands tied by the liberasts. This word is used in Russia as combination of libarals and pederasts. Word pederast in 90% of cases is used in the meaning of a bad man and in 10% as gay.
2/ Trump will try to sell Russia all dead cats they have exposing some of the things as gifts. Russia is no longer ready to be deseived so Putin will not accept dead cats in Syria, Ukraine, Moldova and Balkanes.
3/ American interests and united elite remained as they used to be so contradictions will remain especially when they will ask Russia betray China. Russia won't betray anyone.
4/ EU will be waste a material for the US body and their British head. It may destabilize many regions including the Balkans.
5/ Russias role on Balkans will grow only if we are above all but not a side in the fight.
On 20th January 2017 begins a very special period. Both American and Russian leaders are true Men of Peace. Every nation, every country is going to see an optimistic future. The only losers are the members of the Washington-based, worldwide mafia of ”globalists”, bankers, monstrous corporations, war-industry, the present mainstream media and - of course - every self-proclaimed, criminal ”government”. No more ”elites”, no more pervertic propaganda. At Balkans: no more EU-lapdogs. In Serbia: no more - rekao bih - ”pal” of Joe Biden.
"The current Russians administration can run rings around anything that the US can put forward, including Trump."
It seems likely the basis for this are negative feelings toward the United States. It might be true but not for the reason I suppose you are saying this.
"Why would Russia trade anything? Look at the US financial outlook and see what would happen if Trump follows the same path as his predecessors – ruin and bankruptcy."
I thought this is what you are prophesying. If this is a prophecy then it must be future tense not present tense. But I don't think your far right-wing nationalist statements correlate with reality. If per capital GDP of $53,000 constitutes bankruptcy and ruin then I wonder what adjective we would use when talking about our Serbian nation?
"At the switch of a button Iran stops oil tankers going through the Straits of Hormuz and Russia backs Iran. How long will Europe of US last again???"
At the switch of which button? Russia had backed Iran for years but the Strait of Hormuz remains open. And have you forgotten that the United States has a military budget larger than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran? After you stop slobbering all over your keyboard with the thought that the country you passionately hate might loose a "power struggle" (part of which seems to originate within your own imagination, not the will of the American people) then I hope you will return to planet Earth with the rest of us. You are certainly welcome.
Many things have changed in the last couple of years. Let me bring you up to date. US has lost numerous wars and it cannot commit to land assaults since the US people are all tired of wars. The US lost about 10,000 in Iraq alone.
This not 1999 but 2017 mate. The US did not try and remove Assad because they wanted to give Syrians “freedom”. Its all about oil and gas. Why do a deal with Iran? surely they are the most powerful country; what happened? lost their balls?
Yes the US spends more than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran. However, they produce crap like the F35 and there are others such as Littoral combat ships. The US military complexes have become so used to gorging on large sums of money they have become useless. As one US analyst said, the other side gets more bang for their buck. Russians allocate $200 million for a new generation aircraft and for that they get the final product. In the US they would bother to get out of bed for less than $1 billion.
Look at this, especially watch the last part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4doIA3T9ps
“not the will of the American people” why do you people always regurgitate spin? No one cares what the people want and that is a fact otherwise the US would not be in this predicament.
(JS, 20 January 2017 12:35)
It seems likely the basis for this are negative feelings toward the United States. It might be true but not for the reason I suppose you are saying this.
What is that reason?
I thought this is what you are prophesying. If this is a prophecy then it must be future tense not present tense. But I don't think your far right-wing nationalist statements correlate with reality. If per capital GDP of $53,000 constitutes bankruptcy and ruin then I wonder what adjective we would use when talking about our Serbian nation?
There is nothing to prophesise as only the inherently stupid think everything is fine with US spending. But if it makes your life easier then it’s all made up by US haters, including me. As far as the GDP goes, and it’s the first things that people like you go for, then you don’t have a thing to be concerned as the US debt is no existent, America’s standard of living is high and Trump will make America great again while borrowing more and more, but US has the pixies on its side and thus borrowings will never hurt it..
I hate people that try and compare Serbia with the US. As far as “our Serbian nation” goes you are an Albanian so you are not Serbian.
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 20 January 2017 15:34)
I don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
(The Count of Kosova, 20 January 2017 13:46)
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I don't know what crack pipe you've been smoking.
You think that's what took place the last 20 years is: "Grow up and solve your problems yourselves"
You don't even realize on what sort of slippery slope you stand.
"I was born in Australia whereas you were not born in the country that you currently live so why aren’t you in Kosova or Albania????? Ps I have been to both."
You still haven't provided any proof that I am Albanian. As it turns out, I have only been to Albania twice (both times sightseeing) and to KiM a few times. I prefer Kopaonik and Tara and Stara Planina to any mountain in KiM, and visit the mountains around Sarajevo sooner than southern KiM. Just my preference. You should come visit us in Serbia sometime.
Newcomer 'Dragan G.' is the troll here. SJ & Ari Gold have been posting on B92 for years without trouble but Dragan G. pops up squealing about 'dying out Serbs'. He can't even be bothered with basic netiquette by posting the link to the Balkan Insight article covering Dejevsky's opinion in The Tablet. Sad really, but just another shouting voice who thinks only his opinion is right.
"There is nothing to prophesise as only the inherently stupid think everything is fine with US spending."
On a solid business model, US spending should decrease in order to eliminate the enormous federal defecit. But American lifestyle would still be leaps and bounds ahead of Serbia in material terms. So what's your point?
"I hate people that try and compare Serbia with the US."
Why? Because you have something to be ashamed about?
"As far as “our Serbian nation” goes you are an Albanian so you are not Serbian."
Oh really? Please share your source. I really look forward to the humor.
Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone.
(sj, 20 January 2017 14:11)
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 20 January 2017 15:34)
I see its an other dumb arse statement LOL.
(sj, 20 January 2017 22:23)
Why? Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to present cannot be undone (as commanded by the CE of B92 forums sj)?!
Americans, especially US Forces know we bombed the wrong side
(Watcher, 21 January 2017 00:17)
Are you the new Pentagon spokesperson, dear?! Just asking because I could not find any announcement from the new US Defense Secretary that a certain Watcher has been appointed as the new Pentagon spokesperson.
"Many things have changed in the last couple of years. Let me bring you up to date. US has lost numerous wars and it cannot commit to land assaults since the US people are all tired of wars."
You don't seem to know the difference between "cannot" and "will not." Or else bitterness is blinding you to the difference.
"This not 1999 but 2017 mate."
Is there any chance you are living in Australia and not Serbia?
"The US did not try and remove Assad because they wanted to give Syrians “freedom”. Its all about oil and gas."
Oh yes, and Afghanistan too?
"Why do a deal with Iran? surely they are the most powerful country; what happened?"
You only seem to think in terms of power. That's why you don't understand the decision making in Washington, or among the American people.
"Yes the US spends more than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran. However, they produce crap like the F35 and there are others such as Littoral combat ships. The US military complexes have become so used to gorging on large sums of money they have become useless."
F35s are "useless"? That is an interesting description. Kind of like the F15 and F16s that hit Yugoslavia in 1999?
I agree that the United States government is not operating on sound business principles.
I see its an other dumb arse statement LOL.
(sj, 20 January 2017 22:23)
Why? Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to present cannot be undone (as commanded by the CE of B92 forums sj)?!
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 21 January 2017 01:34)
The AI’s propensity for dumb-arse comments are staggering LOL. It can’t debate since it gets ripped to pieces if it says something of any “substance” so it can only come out with it usual dribble of CE, etc, etc or making inane posts LOL.
Are you the new Pentagon spokesperson, dear?! Just asking because I could not find any announcement from the new US Defense Secretary that a certain Watcher has been appointed as the new Pentagon spokesperson.
(icj1, 22 January 2017 00:42)
How do you know that Watcher is not a Pentagon spokesperson, dear? They don’t list everyone that works on the defence department’s website mate.
You still haven't provided any proof that I am Albanian. As it turns out, I have only been to Albania twice (both times sightseeing) and to KiM a few times. I prefer Kopaonik and Tara and Stara Planina to any mountain in KiM, and visit the mountains around Sarajevo sooner than southern KiM. Just my preference. You should come visit us in Serbia sometime.
(JS, 21 January 2017 08:52)
OK then since I have not proved it, what are you then?
Considering that the new Secretary of Defense "Warrior Monk" Mattis is a die-hard NATO supporter and the new UN appointee Nikki Haley has already lashed out at Russia. I dont think that the US will change their policy in the balkans.
It was the same story with Bush and we all saw what happened. He recognized Kosovo.
The Balkans are going to profit from the situation in the Ukraine. Trump wants to show everybody that he`s a strong man and the balkans are going to be his playground.
I guess we`ll see. The alternative is clear. Russian backed Serbia is going to destabalize the Balkans as always. War. Death. etc. I suppose most of you still remember.
One of Britain’s most respected experts and commentators on Russia has floated the prospect of Russia recognising Kosovo’s independence as part of a wider agreement between Washington and Moscow, once Donald Trump takes the reins as US President...
"Trump will have no interest in that. To him, this is a second and third-rate issue"
That's because NATO does not actually benefit the people of America. U.S. taxpayers fund most of NATO and all it's used for today is a means for neocon warmongers and war profiteers to instigate conflicts worldwide. And NATO finds itself constantly standing on the side of the terrorists whether it's in the Balkans, Libya or Syria. It's probably no wonder why people like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are rolling in Saudi money. The American people want Trump to drain this swamp.
"still more or less expressed, old nationalist regimes in the Balkans that have basically been in charge since the collapse of Yugoslavia."
Since before the collapse. The people in charge today in all ex-YU countries are the former communists and their offspring. They wear different political badges now, but they are the same corrupt scum that have actually ruled since 1945, not 1995.
"Pristina's fear of a partition of Kosovo" is "certainly justified."
Belgrade's fear of partition of Serbia is also certainly justified.
Anyway, Trump definitely wants to break the neocon hold on foreign policy. But he is just one guy, and America has a very deep state. It will be almost impossible, but that man took on the whole establishment, and won.
I know serbs hope for some changes towards Kosova from Trump. But it wont happend. Kosova declared independence while republicans were in power, and they suported it.
Do serbs belive that Trump will give away everything and lay down on its knees for Russian cooperation? Dont forget that only one man cannot rule an country on his own. Republican party and CIA wont let him do somthing against the interest of US.
He may give up on Crimea for Russian recognition of Kosova. That is possible!
Beograd is worthy of being the stability factor in the balkans. Extend the hand of peace and respect, trust & peace will follow....unless Putin has other plans! Then we all pray!
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Don't blame this on Putin if it all turns sour. Clinton had other plans and look what happened so why worry about Putin?
Now about extending the hand of friendship.....
Europe has bent over backwards appeasing Muslims and how did that work out?
Time has come for peace and that will only be achieved by keeping Muslims in check. No more enjoying someone else's land.
Don't like it, you have Albania to go to.
Don't like it, you have Turkey to go to for Bosniaks.
I guess we`ll see. The alternative is clear. Russian backed Serbia is going to destabalize the Balkans as always. War. Death. etc. I suppose most of you still remember.
(Gjon Marku, 19 January 2017 18:03)
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RUSSIA is going to destabilize the Balkans?
NO, no, no, no, no, You along with your pals and Jihadists the Bosniaks and Croatians have destabilized the Balkans with a lot of help from Clinton.
Who started the mess? Who broke away without any consultation from the government and that is unconstitutional? Serbia didn't start attacking anyone. You started it with breakaways and land grabs.
I always knew and said that once Trump takes office a shiny new world will begin.
I'm going to laugh when Russia screws the Serbs and makes a deal with Kosovo for Crimea recognition. Once again your Russian "friends" will screw you because you don't learn. Last time was in 1999 when they sat on their hands instead of helping Serbia. Remember when they defended Novi Sad and Belgrade by occupying Pristina Airport after the war was over? Such a strong defense after doing nothing for months. Funny how Muslim states like Syria and Iran can get anti-aircraft missiles, but Orthodox brother Serbia can't. Too funny. Even Greece, a NATO member, has Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles.
"The winds of change" are basically upon us...Believe me, unless we ALL talk and negotiate a solution that works for all somehow, it will not bode well for anybody. Even though Beograd would benefit mostly, it is extremely important for us to show wisdom and maturity that we've bragged about in the last few years. It is a perfect time to show that Beograd is worthy of being the stability factor in the balkans. Extend the hand of peace and respect, trust & peace will follow....unless Putin has other plans! Then we all pray!
Its not just the Balkans that the US has to relinquish and the reason why is as follows:
Total US debt is $67 trillion. Federal, State and Local governments’ portion of total debt is $23 trillion collectively. The Feds owe $20 trillion and as of 1 January 2017 the next trillion is being spent. State and local Governments owe $3 trillion.
The size of the US economy is about $17 trillion, but it’s not due to increased productivity, as it’s inflated for several reasons, and one major reason is quantitative easing measures. Thus the overall percentage of debt to GDP is 400%.
The actual percentage of Government debt to GDP now is 121%, but most do not take into account intergovernmental debt of $5.5 trillion, which is a debt that attracts interest and has to be repaid so we claims of only 100% of government debt to GDP. Some prominent economists claim that these figures are conservative and believe it’s as high as 135%, depending what other debt is taken into account.
The US has unfunded liabilities of $100 trillion, once again this is a conservative figure. Others claim it’s as high as $250 trillion.
102 million live on or below the poverty line. 95 million are no longer in the labour force.
About 47% of all working adults in the US hold down fulltime jobs. According to Federal Government criteria for unemployment 15 million meet it, but the Government only claims 7.5 million are unemployed. Actual level of unemployment ranges from 24% and can be as high as 32%.
"NATO and all it's used for today is a means for neocon warmongers and war profiteers to instigate conflicts worldwide."
LOL, Ari you have mentioned you live in the USA. Care to name some of those neocons you talk about and the party they are affiliated with? Is it the same party that holds the majority in the US congress now? Question, who did the NRA and the whole weapon manufacturing complex support during the elections? Trump said he will be great for American businesses, does that include the weapon manufacturers?
About the article, nobody really knows how Trump will behave, I believe not even he knows. He is a wildcard.
We Serbs are dying faster than we are reproducing. We can't afford another catastrophic war, have we learned nothing from the last 25 years. The same politicians that supported Milosevic are leading Serbia into another disaster. When will we wake up. Don't listen to trolls like sj and Ari Gold that work for Dacic for 200 Euros per month.
RUSSIA is going to destabilize the Balkans?
NO, no, no, no, no, You along with your pals and Jihadists the Bosniaks and Croatians have destabilized the Balkans with a lot of help from Clinton.
Who started the mess? Who broke away without any consultation from the government and that is unconstitutional? Serbia didn't start attacking anyone. You started it with breakaways and land grabs.
I always knew and said that once Trump takes office a shiny new world will begin.
(Peggy, 19 January 2017 21:17)
Poor little piggy. You have inherited the Slobo spirit. Dont you find it curious that no one in the former Yugoslavia wanted to stay with you. Not even Macedonia and CrnaGora. Those lands were never yours and they will never be.
Dont forget, Serbia is not in possession of the entire Yugoslav Army and resources anymore. You wont be facing ordinary citizens taking up arms. We all have armies and allies. There is not just US and Russia. Remember it was England and Germany who flew by far the most attacks. Another war in the Balkans is a suicide mission for the whole peninsula. Times have changed so be careful what you wish for.
I can't believe how many Serbians here are joyful at the thought of another war. Whether it is in Bosnia or in Kosovo you have to realize that if it happens a lot more Serbian blood will be shed.
It will not be like the 1990's with an arms embargo placed on the region when the Serb dominated JNA had all the weapons and was able to do what it wanted.
Do you not remember that after 4 years the Croatians were able to strengthen themselves and conduct Operation Oluja?
What do you think the Bosnians and Kosovo Albanians have been doing over the last 15 years?
It will not be as easy as quick and easy as you think.
A lot more Serbian blood will be spilled if you continue to follow your current batch of "leaders".
(Dragan G., 20 January 2017 05:22)
First I do not work for Dacic nor do I live in Serbia. For that matter I was not born in that country, but I do love the Serb people.
Second please stop reading nonsense. I can quote you dozens of so called reputable think tanks and publications that made predictions about the Balkans and not one of their so called predictions have come true.
The current Russians administration can run rings around anything that the US can put forward, including Trump. As far as Trump sizing up, being in politics and leading a country is far, far more complex than his reality show. He will find that out soon.
Why would Russia trade anything? Look at the US financial outlook and see what would happen if Trump follows the same path as his predecessors – ruin and bankruptcy.
Russia now has its foot firmly in Syria and Turkey is on its side. Oil can only go through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran controls Iraq whether the US likes it or not. At the switch of a button Iran stops oil tankers going through the Straits of Hormuz and Russia backs Iran. How long will Europe of US last again???
The Russians have played the US off a break where most Europeans see the US as an outright aggressor. Russia has been waiting patiently for changes with the new regime, but if Trump does not bring it about then a new and much, much more aggressive Russia will appear on the world stage.
don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
(The Count of Kosova, 20 January 2017 13:46)
Well Groom of the stool if you were not filling your nappies over these changes you would not even bother being on this site. Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone. Sleep tight.
Wanna to turn the planet into an ash tray?
(rote, 20 January 2017 15:43)
Actually, rote, in the US we use the old Yugo automobiles as ash trays or flower pots. That's all they are good for, although, in Russia that is the only automobile Russians can afford.
I would not call the ”Russian backed” Serbia a destabilizing factor.
The destabilizing factors are:
1. The European Union (aka Germany), which plays former Yugoslavian nations against each other.
2. The borders, which create very artificial constructions (like ”BiH”) and divide the Serbian people.
It may be difficult for many to understand, but the unified Serbia is the balancing factor Europe needs to prevent the hegemony of the unified (1990) Germany.
So Donald trump it's going to give Kosovo back to Serbia, and Russia it's going to be in charge in Balkan . Please don't wake me up for a while , i'm enjoying this dream
1. Stop your juvenile ways. Grow up and solve your problems yourselves.
2. Get in a room and negotiate.
3. If you can't do that then fight it out and to the winner go the spoils.
(factman, 20 January 2017 02:25)
I don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
I'm going to laugh when Russia screws the Serbs and makes a deal with Kosovo for Crimea recognition. Once again your Russian "friends" will screw you because you don't learn. Last time was in 1999 when they sat on their hands instead of helping Serbia. Remember when they defended Novi Sad and Belgrade by occupying Pristina Airport after the war was over? Such a strong defense after doing nothing for months. Funny how Muslim states like Syria and Iran can get anti-aircraft missiles, but Orthodox brother Serbia can't. Too funny. Even Greece, a NATO member, has Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missiles.
(LK, 20 January 2017 16:12) # Comme
To LK,
You think that China that invested over 2 billion dollars in 2015'2016 ,and want to invest more are NOT going to block in UN , USA to recognise Kosovo as a country. USA is already having problems with Chinese government.
You only need one ,either Russia or China to say ,NO.
Albanians live in a dream on here...first you hate Russia and china and now you think they will be on your side hehhe the new world is here ladies and gentleman and its led by Russia an china.....china has invested in Serbia and is investing much more this year...Russia has donated war planes and missiles are arriving....like they said Serbia is going to be the leaders in the Balkans for peace;;;; and oh shields are arriving next....old America and grandpa nato days are all over....same with American isis allies all getting destroyed....all the big young nations are joining Russia-china including turkey which has....and so many others.....the other former Yugoslav nations including Albanians are going to keep quite or you will be spanked your Nazi thinking like America days are over world peace is here and business.... nobody will come to help you anymore......so now to the Serbs business and prosperity is coming and has arrived as you see businesses are in and are building ....so start having more kids bigger families because your future is here....
So what .. ? The srps will start a war or smth ? You think the rest of the Balkans is going to bend over for srrpsks ? I resist such cheap laughter. Tito's time is over. You're Balkan like the rest. Nobody likes you anymore than you're strategically placed, meaning, you will be told when to start something. And leave religion out of this. You're obssesed with it like Saudis are. Whether jesus or muhamed, you're just another fundamentalist religious country.
What is this kind of *title*?? It offend me, and anger me a lot. It look like in Ballkan live some slaves which people must do whatever they want, and talk that are selling "something" them to a new patron, like they were slaves?
This is offensive to me!
But, reading that i realize how miserable Ballkan is and what a joke! I realize that Ballkan is like a pottage when all tamper for their interest.
Yes this is offensive, but is an offensively true. We are here to sotisfy *others* interest and we deserve that.
And yes, if there will be a war in Europe, Serbs will be responsable again. For the next 20 years you will be ashamed of telling that you are Serbs, and all your neighbors just will spit on you face, hateing the double of what they hate you now, and of course will resist waiting silently their turn, till the next *selling*.
But honestly i have read several time the declaration made by Lavrov, and have have tried to translate it! It was not *agresive* haveing present the incident which Serbs pretend that was Albanian foult. In other circumstance that Russia would be threatening us, but that did not seem to me. In such a cases the Russian declaration came immediately, i have present those made to Croatia, Mne, Bosnia, (and i have ever present the loud tones Russia use ) but that take a little and when it came is came like a bit like spontaneous, when mr. Lavrov talk on his annual speaking.
"At the switch of a button Iran stops oil tankers going through the Straits of Hormuz and Russia backs Iran. How long will Europe of US last again???"
At the switch of which button? Russia had backed Iran for years but the Strait of Hormuz remains open. And have you forgotten that the United States has a military budget larger than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran? After you stop slobbering all over your keyboard with the thought that the country you passionately hate might loose a "power struggle" (part of which seems to originate within your own imagination, not the will of the American people) then I hope you will return to planet Earth with the rest of us. You are certainly welcome.
Newcomer 'Dragan G.' is the troll here. SJ & Ari Gold have been posting on B92 for years without trouble but Dragan G. pops up squealing about 'dying out Serbs'. He can't even be bothered with basic netiquette by posting the link to the Balkan Insight article covering Dejevsky's opinion in The Tablet. Sad really, but just another shouting voice who thinks only his opinion is right.
(JS, 20 January 2017 12:35)
It seems likely the basis for this are negative feelings toward the United States. It might be true but not for the reason I suppose you are saying this.
What is that reason?
I thought this is what you are prophesying. If this is a prophecy then it must be future tense not present tense. But I don't think your far right-wing nationalist statements correlate with reality. If per capital GDP of $53,000 constitutes bankruptcy and ruin then I wonder what adjective we would use when talking about our Serbian nation?
There is nothing to prophesise as only the inherently stupid think everything is fine with US spending. But if it makes your life easier then it’s all made up by US haters, including me. As far as the GDP goes, and it’s the first things that people like you go for, then you don’t have a thing to be concerned as the US debt is no existent, America’s standard of living is high and Trump will make America great again while borrowing more and more, but US has the pixies on its side and thus borrowings will never hurt it..
I hate people that try and compare Serbia with the US. As far as “our Serbian nation” goes you are an Albanian so you are not Serbian.
If only there was some sort of union between the southern Slav countries in which they looked after their own self-interest without being pushed around by competing empires.
would be great if the people of the balkans really ruled their home by themselves, not by austria-germany aka EU, not by anglo-americans, not by russians and not by the turks either.
Whatever. Is it let's-cheer-the-diaspora-Serbs-season on B92? For what its worth, I doubt Trump is going to last a full term, let alone get another one
Let me tell to you that the plan of Russia to destroy EU, take it time, I think many years!
I don’t know what will happen, but one thing's sure when EU will fall all will miss it.
Now Europe is facing a lot of problems, which mostly were not caused by her. Europe has a lot of problems with Ukraine, Greece, Brexit, Ballkan and if this was not enough with a lot of refugies and the fear of terrorisms which was never a problem for Europe but just for US.
US and Russia have transferred their problems into Europe. And of course EU was not prepared - it happened too fast.
Now, in my opinion Russia will join a first round victory, before that EU and USA prepare themselves, and make some plans how to weaken Russia.
Is that what will happen, is inevitable!
But that will not bring nothing good!
On 20th January 2017 begins a very special period. Both American and Russian leaders are true Men of Peace. Every nation, every country is going to see an optimistic future. The only losers are the members of the Washington-based, worldwide mafia of ”globalists”, bankers, monstrous corporations, war-industry, the present mainstream media and - of course - every self-proclaimed, criminal ”government”. No more ”elites”, no more pervertic propaganda. At Balkans: no more EU-lapdogs. In Serbia: no more - rekao bih - ”pal” of Joe Biden.
Many things have changed in the last couple of years. Let me bring you up to date. US has lost numerous wars and it cannot commit to land assaults since the US people are all tired of wars. The US lost about 10,000 in Iraq alone.
This not 1999 but 2017 mate. The US did not try and remove Assad because they wanted to give Syrians “freedom”. Its all about oil and gas. Why do a deal with Iran? surely they are the most powerful country; what happened? lost their balls?
Yes the US spends more than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran. However, they produce crap like the F35 and there are others such as Littoral combat ships. The US military complexes have become so used to gorging on large sums of money they have become useless. As one US analyst said, the other side gets more bang for their buck. Russians allocate $200 million for a new generation aircraft and for that they get the final product. In the US they would bother to get out of bed for less than $1 billion.
Look at this, especially watch the last part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4doIA3T9ps
“not the will of the American people” why do you people always regurgitate spin? No one cares what the people want and that is a fact otherwise the US would not be in this predicament.
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 20 January 2017 15:34)
It starts with some cogent points but it always devolves into meaningless drivel.
Why pretend you are a Serb when clearly you are an Albo? Ashamed? well I dont blame you since Albos have a terrible reputation in Europe.
Russian backed Serbia is going to destabilize the Balkans as always.
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No its not.
The Balkans are already unstable that's why there are troops there. The most unstable places are Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia (you can figure out what they all have in common).
The nation states of the western Balkans are mostly incompetent (with a few exceptions).
The pull-back of the USA is going to make them grow up very fast and to stop relying on an artificially imposed stability.
Grow up and solve your problems. Negotiate with your neighbors. Figure it out. Grow your economy. Make yourself useful in the global war against islamic terrorism.
Finally, after 27 years the USA is doing the right thing for itself. The last 27 years have been a disaster for all Americans and finally we are rid of it.
One of Britain’s most respected experts and commentators on Russia has floated the prospect of Russia recognising Kosovo’s independence as part of a wider agreement between Washington and Moscow, once Donald Trump takes the reins as US President.
Mary Dejevsky, a former Moscow and Washington correspondent and now Guardian writer and member of the UK’s Chatham House think tank, raised the idea in Britain’s Catholic Tablet magazine in its January 21 edition, reflecting on the possible consequences of a successful Trump-Putin meeting in the near future.
Trump has repeatedly stated his desire to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin soon after his inauguration and put US-Russian ties on a new footing.
Dejevsky, who regularly meets Kremlin leaders through the Valdai Group, which meets Russian officials each autumn, suggested Moscow could recognise Kosovo as part of a package aimed at closing down various post-Cold War diplomatic issues that have dogged relations between the powers.
In the article, Dejevsky described Trump as a deal maker who would soon size up whether the Russian leader was serious about an agreement, and would walk away and make other arrangements if he felt misled.
However, Dejevsky said Putin was investing heavily in making a deal with the new US Administration work, and was unlikely to let the opportunity slip, as it would damage his domestic standing.
I like the change of the intonations in this forum. Looks like we began to hear one another. What I personally expect from Trump is as follows :
1/ For many months his administration will have hands tied by the liberasts. This word is used in Russia as combination of libarals and pederasts. Word pederast in 90% of cases is used in the meaning of a bad man and in 10% as gay.
2/ Trump will try to sell Russia all dead cats they have exposing some of the things as gifts. Russia is no longer ready to be deseived so Putin will not accept dead cats in Syria, Ukraine, Moldova and Balkanes.
3/ American interests and united elite remained as they used to be so contradictions will remain especially when they will ask Russia betray China. Russia won't betray anyone.
4/ EU will be waste a material for the US body and their British head. It may destabilize many regions including the Balkans.
5/ Russias role on Balkans will grow only if we are above all but not a side in the fight.
Russia has been waiting patiently for changes with the new regime, but if Trump does not bring it about then a new and much, much more aggressive Russia will appear on the world stage.
(sj, 20 January 2017 10:46)
"Many things have changed in the last couple of years. Let me bring you up to date. US has lost numerous wars and it cannot commit to land assaults since the US people are all tired of wars."
You don't seem to know the difference between "cannot" and "will not." Or else bitterness is blinding you to the difference.
"This not 1999 but 2017 mate."
Is there any chance you are living in Australia and not Serbia?
"The US did not try and remove Assad because they wanted to give Syrians “freedom”. Its all about oil and gas."
Oh yes, and Afghanistan too?
"Why do a deal with Iran? surely they are the most powerful country; what happened?"
You only seem to think in terms of power. That's why you don't understand the decision making in Washington, or among the American people.
"Yes the US spends more than the combined military budgets of Russia, China, and Iran. However, they produce crap like the F35 and there are others such as Littoral combat ships. The US military complexes have become so used to gorging on large sums of money they have become useless."
F35s are "useless"? That is an interesting description. Kind of like the F15 and F16s that hit Yugoslavia in 1999?
I agree that the United States government is not operating on sound business principles.
You don't seem to know the difference between "cannot" and "will not." Or else bitterness is blinding you to the difference.
Well here is your problem. Currently even with reduced military budgets the US military is unable to fill quotas in their ranks, especially the army. In other words people are not joining the military since they no longer see it as a good career option except for getting killed or maimed. Yes the US can mobilise but so can anyone everyone else.
Is there any chance you are living in Australia and not Serbia?
I was born in Australia whereas you were not born in the country that you currently live so why aren’t you in Kosova or Albania????? Ps I have been to both.
Oh yes, and Afghanistan too?
Yes Afghanistan was for oil and gas. George W Bush entertained the Taliban on his ranch back in 1989 to get agreement build a pipeline for oil and gas from Azerbaijan via Turkmenistan, Afghanistan (Taliban were the only ones holding out) and the Pakistan to bypass Russia. If you believe that Afghanistan was invaded for other reasons then you are living with pixies.
In reference to the views of political analyst Jenssen that, President Trump will neglect parts of the country and will let Vladimir Putin to take over, for that to happen he has to have full support of Congress and the Pentagon and they will never, ever let that happen. Putin's dreams of controlling parts of Europe, especially countries that were under Russian control is only that a dream of Putin and nothing else. He might as well come back to reality and forget his dream.
The only reason a Trump Administration would pay any attention to the Balkans is if the Albanians start another war. They've done Serbia. They've done Macedonia. Montenegro? If they're that dumb, it'll be the graveyard of Greater - sorry 'Natural' - Albania, whether King Djukanovic is still in power or not. The party is over.
If only there was some sort of union between the southern Slav countries in which they looked after their own self-interest without being pushed around by competing empires.
(Andrew, 19 January 2017 20:54)
There was. Croat and Albanian nationalists ruined it.
1. Stop your juvenile ways. Grow up and solve your problems yourselves.
2. Get in a room and negotiate.
3. If you can't do that then fight it out and to the winner go the spoils.
nothing new here. This is the way the world works, and after 23 years of Clinton-Bush-Obama nonsense, we are reverting back to the norm.
Bye Bye Clinton-ism and Obama-ism. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
Most probably Serbs called Lavrov as he said and asked to Russia what to do? If Russia will be interested to resolve this problem and interfere in Serbian favour this was the best chance. I don’t know but having present the declaration that Lavrov say: *that there will not allow another war in Balkan*, and the change of aggressivity of Serbs i have my doubt on tell that: Russia told to you that a new war on Balkan will not be allowed again! I must translate it : that she will not cover you, because that for sure would be against her expansion on Balkan.
If Russian interest is to expand her influence in Balkan i just have a simple question for Serbs: Why she will help you destabilizing all the region? The conflict would be resolved just with war, but In all the Balkan from Hungary to Greece live nationalistic minorities in all the countries, and the conflict will easily going in chain from a country to another and the conflict must get out the control, having present the nationalism in Balkan.
Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone.
(sj, 20 January 2017 14:11)
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
I don't know where you have been in the last 20 years, but that is exactly what took place and now we own Kosova. End of story!
(The Count of Kosova, 20 January 2017 13:46)
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I don't know what crack pipe you've been smoking.
You think that's what took place the last 20 years is: "Grow up and solve your problems yourselves"
You don't even realize on what sort of slippery slope you stand.
Always remember what has been done can just as easily be undone.
(sj, 20 January 2017 14:11)
The only unfortunate part is that Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to, at least, today cannot be undone. The only exception is, of course, if the almighty CE of B92 forums sj commands for time to flow backward to 1999 :)
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 20 January 2017 15:34)
I see its an other dumb arse statement LOL.
(sj, 20 January 2017 22:23)
Why? Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to present cannot be undone (as commanded by the CE of B92 forums sj)?!
in Russia that is the only automobile Russians can afford.
(US Special Forces, 20 January 2017 23:19)
When was the last time that you visited Moscow? You will find more BMW, Benz and Bentleys here than in any sity of the USA. To say nothing of the ugly street roads that I saw yesterday in Washington. Enter U-tube to see that Russia is different from what you think.
Americans, especially US Forces know we bombed the wrong side
(Watcher, 21 January 2017 00:17)
Are you the new Pentagon spokesperson, dear?! Just asking because I could not find any announcement from the new US Defense Secretary that a certain Watcher has been appointed as the new Pentagon spokesperson.
"The current Russians administration can run rings around anything that the US can put forward, including Trump."
It seems likely the basis for this are negative feelings toward the United States. It might be true but not for the reason I suppose you are saying this.
"Why would Russia trade anything? Look at the US financial outlook and see what would happen if Trump follows the same path as his predecessors – ruin and bankruptcy."
I thought this is what you are prophesying. If this is a prophecy then it must be future tense not present tense. But I don't think your far right-wing nationalist statements correlate with reality. If per capital GDP of $53,000 constitutes bankruptcy and ruin then I wonder what adjective we would use when talking about our Serbian nation?
"There is nothing to prophesise as only the inherently stupid think everything is fine with US spending."
On a solid business model, US spending should decrease in order to eliminate the enormous federal defecit. But American lifestyle would still be leaps and bounds ahead of Serbia in material terms. So what's your point?
"I hate people that try and compare Serbia with the US."
Why? Because you have something to be ashamed about?
"As far as “our Serbian nation” goes you are an Albanian so you are not Serbian."
Oh really? Please share your source. I really look forward to the humor.
@ us special forces you're not - not even close, dear! Americans, especially US Forces know we bombed the wrong side...at least Rote is proud Russian... U hide!
"I was born in Australia whereas you were not born in the country that you currently live so why aren’t you in Kosova or Albania????? Ps I have been to both."
You still haven't provided any proof that I am Albanian. As it turns out, I have only been to Albania twice (both times sightseeing) and to KiM a few times. I prefer Kopaonik and Tara and Stara Planina to any mountain in KiM, and visit the mountains around Sarajevo sooner than southern KiM. Just my preference. You should come visit us in Serbia sometime.
The Balkans, where we find the lions share of the 12 countries that are Majority Eastern Orthodox Christian, will assign the "first among equals" position to Moscow.
This is a good thing, because Christians in the Mid East need championing, and frankly the US isn't in the strongest position to deliver that.
I don't mean to offend anyone, there are good people on both sides. But to create something who can't stand on its own feet, disaster is coming sooner or later. We wonder the real intention of those big powers who are calling the shots. Decent ordinary Balkan people deserve peace and prosperity. You all know well who really profitted and will continue to profit from conflict on any side. Learn from your own mistakes, and give your children and grandchildren a chance of peace.
I see its an other dumb arse statement LOL.
(sj, 20 January 2017 22:23)
Why? Kosovo living independently from Serbia from 1999 to present cannot be undone (as commanded by the CE of B92 forums sj)?!
P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 21 January 2017 01:34)
The AI’s propensity for dumb-arse comments are staggering LOL. It can’t debate since it gets ripped to pieces if it says something of any “substance” so it can only come out with it usual dribble of CE, etc, etc or making inane posts LOL.
You still haven't provided any proof that I am Albanian. As it turns out, I have only been to Albania twice (both times sightseeing) and to KiM a few times. I prefer Kopaonik and Tara and Stara Planina to any mountain in KiM, and visit the mountains around Sarajevo sooner than southern KiM. Just my preference. You should come visit us in Serbia sometime.
(JS, 21 January 2017 08:52)
OK then since I have not proved it, what are you then?
Are you the new Pentagon spokesperson, dear?! Just asking because I could not find any announcement from the new US Defense Secretary that a certain Watcher has been appointed as the new Pentagon spokesperson.
(icj1, 22 January 2017 00:42)
How do you know that Watcher is not a Pentagon spokesperson, dear? They don’t list everyone that works on the defence department’s website mate.
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