EU influenced Haradinaj's release, says president

@Nikolic

Dude, every time you open your mouth you sound dumber, please just cut it out.

France is not willing follow your commands, while you have been and are currently protecting criminals all over serbia. You I I have away karadzic and Mladic to get a shot shot EU membership.

Haradinaj fought for his own people, you serbs were the attackers, agressors, murderers, rapists, butchers, and list goes on.

Typical Serbia tactics blaming the others....😊

What can one say?

Serbian president meets convicted war criminal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/11/serbian-president-meets-convicted-war-criminal.html

I'm afraid that this is another Balkan conspiracy theory of which those in power seem so beloved. The EU does not issues the type of 'directive' to which Nikolic refers. Individual cases and individual aspects of those cases, such as the need for continued detention, will always be the remit of the court in question. All decisions taken at every level of the judiciary within the EU can be appealed to the ECHR if it is a Human Right at issue, but the court is nr proactive in becoming involved in decisions at low level courts.

This claim from Nikolic is baseless. He is simply annoyed that once again it is likely that an extradition request from Serbia relating to the 1990s conflicts is going to be rejected. Rather than accept that this is the result of the weighing of the evidence by the judge(s) involved, he wants to pretend that the 'dark hand' of the EU is behind it.

just shows that the gravedigger has no idea of a democratic concept of a country. He doesn't seem to have any idea how a democracy works, otherwise he would not make such unqualified and embarrassing comments. Shines a really bad light on the entire state of Serbia if it's president doesn't even know that the judiciary is independent in democracies, but a undemocratic country like Serbia doesn't Understand that concept.

What can one say?
Serbian president meets convicted war criminal
[link]
(Avni, 13 January 2017 13:28)

"I think that the EU gave such a directive to all its member-states," Nikolic told Belgrade daily Vecernje Novosti.

This Nikolic guy must be one of the most stupid, embarrassing morons who ever walked this earth. He says this a day after he met with a convicted war criminal responsible for murdering and expelling from their homes children, women and other civilians.

How he thinks the rubbish coming out of his mouth could possibly bring some good to the citizens he represents is beyond me. Another puzzle is how Serbs chose this guy to represent them; you almost need to be sadistic to select this idiot to lead your country.

Instead of showing shame and regret, apologizing to your neighbors for the crimes you committed to them, make an effort for reconciliation, the Serbian state is once again playing with fire. I hope it’s citizens realize that there is no place for such country in Europe and they demand changes, demand purification of the society from these haters, many of them part of Milosevic regime. Demand for Serbia to be known for something other than producing war criminals and baby killers and committing genocide.

Stupid man.

If he could prove this, governments would crash.

Independent judiciary is a fundamental in EU countries.

What is worrying is that this indicates that he can still influence Serbian courts.

If that is the case he should be hounded out of office NOW.

"I think that the EU gave such a directive to all its member-states," Nikolic told Belgrade daily Vecernje Novosti.

Oh, woow, this guy is so idiotic to admit himself that his allegation that the EU gave such a directive to all its member is just what he thinks, not something that actually happened!

early start has not only spoiled the hunt but also has created a bad precedent ... only idiots or hidden enemies could initiate such a provocation

To all of the naive commentators on this site who think that it is not in the interest of the EU to keep a lid on this. You are all very delusional
Mr Nikolic is stating the obvious
The EU does not want this to go to trial, guilty or not. They have proven how inept they were in the last trial by there inability to protect witnesses. I don't think this fact is lost with the French
Don't forget they have his passport

Sam D: You may well be right that the EU would prefer the lid to be kept on this, but that is not what Nikolic was saying. He seems to be under the impression that the EU (whatever he means by that...Parliament?, Brussels?, Strasbourg?) are in a position to tell a regional French court who to keep detained and who to release; they are not. Please don't mistake the fact that I don't share your opinion with my being naïve.

Has Nikolic been at the rakia again?

DOes he mean that 28 governments had a secret conference call and gave a secret order to the sovereign French court to release a suspect which the French court secretly agreed to?
I could add that this is a suspect who has been tried and found not guilty twice.

Perhaps Nikolc and Vucic can ignore court judgements and order a court to release war criminals and therefore think that "the EU" must do the same?
You would think a person holding the office of president might have some clue as to how the judiciary and the EU works.
It must be handy to be able to blame all your failures on the EU

Sam D: Yes, Slovenia dealt with this very differently. I think there is a difference between whether the judiciary in a particular country is wholly independent or open to influence from their own government and whether or not the EU can specifically intervene. I have no doubt that various judiciaries within the EU are still struggling to break free of political interference and would hazard that this probably goes on in Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly the Baltics. It is hard to imagine that the Slovenes are particularly well disposed to Belgrade despite the fact that they pretty much avoided the carnage........12 dead I believe.

I am aware of the witness tampering that went on in the Haradinaj case but having come to a not guilty verdict in the Hague, it will take some pretty convincing evidence, as opposed to conjecture, for extradition to take place. Nikolic hasn't helped the process by implying that interference with the judiciary is commonplace, giving rise to the suspicion that such interference would occur in this case in Serbia. Not only do the French have to be satisfied that there is prima facie new evidence against Haradinaj but also that he would receive a fair trial. I cannot believe that the Serbs would go to all this bother simply to allow a court to return a not guilty verdict.

Serbia is to be more careful in this fst changing world

http://yournewswire.com/queen-elizabeth-house-arrest-christmas-message/

Euro Leaders know whats expected of them by the Empire
(Englishman, 15 January 2017 00:22)

Who is this "Empire" mate?!

I don't know what happens in your country but in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions.
(ned taylor, 16 January 2017 09:56)

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Dear Mr. Ned Taylor, I don't know of your personal experiences with the French judicial system that supports this erroneous conclusion. However, you should note that the very credible and famous French magistrate, Eva Joly, disagrees with you.

French judicial corruption, particularly among the high level elite, is well entrenched and renowned.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-judge-rails-at-censoring-of-her-book-on-corruption-109617.html

I do realize that the EU does not officially control the judiciary in their respective countries however there are back channels that can be brought to bear if necessary
(Samd, 14 January 2017 01:19)

Not sure what that means! Who is this EU person or institution that has a back channel that can be brought to bear if necessary?!

He seems to be under the impression that the EU (whatever he means by that...Parliament?, Brussels?, Strasbourg?) are in a position to tell a regional French court who to keep detained and who to release


Its more sophisticated than that,all those Euro Leaders know whats expected of them by the Empire that supported those Terrorists in Kosovo and still occupy part of it today,like they support terrorists in Syria.

@Ned Taylor
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I do realize that the EU does not officially control the judiciary in their respective countries however there are back channels that can be brought to bear if necessary
This situation is somewhat different in view of the fact the French retained his passport. Not the case in the previous incident in Slovenia where he was unconditionally released

"Englishman"

Serbs pretending to be diffrent nationalites here. LOL!

Englishman: Whether the leaders are aware of what the "Empire" expects of them or not is not the point. I don't know what happens in your country but in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions.

Amnesty Jugoslavija: I have dealt extensively with colleagues both from Europol and from the Gendamerie and both organisations are of the view that the French judiciary are quite literally a law unto themselves. There is nothing in the link that you attached that suggests systemic corruption within the judiciary. Whether this is true in the relationship between government and big business both in France and elsewhere is another matter. We are back at the root of this issue which is that Nikolic prefers to believe that the judiciary acted under duress against its' own instincts rather than upon the evidence to hand. The former much better suits his narrative.

There is nothing in the link that you attached that suggests systemic corruption within the judiciary.
(ned taylor, 18 January 2017 19:21)

Ned, the article describes corruption within the judiciary (by concerted and repetitive efforts to censor Joly) as well as a judiciary corrupted by external forces. Either way, the facts contradict your false claim that "...in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions (ned taylor)"

We are back at the root of this issue which is that Nikolic prefers to believe that the judiciary acted under duress against its' own instincts rather than upon the evidence to hand. The former much better suits his narrative.

(ned taylor, 18 January 2017 19:21)

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Ned: the information in the link provided a first hand account from a French Judge who described "political obstruction and death threats".

Yes Ned, perhaps Nikolic also interprets "political obstruction and death threats" as an example of a judiciary under duress.
At the root of our discussion is that Ned Taylor ignores published facts from a French judge and continues to believe that " in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions" ... because it suits Ned Taylor's narrative.




"Amnesty Jugoslavija: I have dealt extensively with colleagues both from Europol and from the Gendamerie and both organisations are of the view that the French judiciary are quite literally a law unto themselves. There is nothing in the link that you attached that suggests systemic corruption within the judiciary. Whether this is true in the relationship between government and big business both in France and elsewhere is another matter. We are back at the root of this issue which is that Nikolic prefers to believe that the judiciary acted under duress against its' own instincts rather than upon the evidence to hand. The former much better suits his narrative.
(ned taylor"

And still has time to write here as one of his prerogatives. He is everywhere because he knows world needs him.

@Nikolic

Dude, every time you open your mouth you sound dumber, please just cut it out.

France is not willing follow your commands, while you have been and are currently protecting criminals all over serbia. You I I have away karadzic and Mladic to get a shot shot EU membership.

Haradinaj fought for his own people, you serbs were the attackers, agressors, murderers, rapists, butchers, and list goes on.

What can one say?
Serbian president meets convicted war criminal
[link]
(Avni, 13 January 2017 13:28)

"I think that the EU gave such a directive to all its member-states," Nikolic told Belgrade daily Vecernje Novosti.

This Nikolic guy must be one of the most stupid, embarrassing morons who ever walked this earth. He says this a day after he met with a convicted war criminal responsible for murdering and expelling from their homes children, women and other civilians.

How he thinks the rubbish coming out of his mouth could possibly bring some good to the citizens he represents is beyond me. Another puzzle is how Serbs chose this guy to represent them; you almost need to be sadistic to select this idiot to lead your country.

Instead of showing shame and regret, apologizing to your neighbors for the crimes you committed to them, make an effort for reconciliation, the Serbian state is once again playing with fire. I hope it’s citizens realize that there is no place for such country in Europe and they demand changes, demand purification of the society from these haters, many of them part of Milosevic regime. Demand for Serbia to be known for something other than producing war criminals and baby killers and committing genocide.

Typical Serbia tactics blaming the others....😊

"I think that the EU gave such a directive to all its member-states," Nikolic told Belgrade daily Vecernje Novosti.

Oh, woow, this guy is so idiotic to admit himself that his allegation that the EU gave such a directive to all its member is just what he thinks, not something that actually happened!

I'm afraid that this is another Balkan conspiracy theory of which those in power seem so beloved. The EU does not issues the type of 'directive' to which Nikolic refers. Individual cases and individual aspects of those cases, such as the need for continued detention, will always be the remit of the court in question. All decisions taken at every level of the judiciary within the EU can be appealed to the ECHR if it is a Human Right at issue, but the court is nr proactive in becoming involved in decisions at low level courts.

This claim from Nikolic is baseless. He is simply annoyed that once again it is likely that an extradition request from Serbia relating to the 1990s conflicts is going to be rejected. Rather than accept that this is the result of the weighing of the evidence by the judge(s) involved, he wants to pretend that the 'dark hand' of the EU is behind it.

just shows that the gravedigger has no idea of a democratic concept of a country. He doesn't seem to have any idea how a democracy works, otherwise he would not make such unqualified and embarrassing comments. Shines a really bad light on the entire state of Serbia if it's president doesn't even know that the judiciary is independent in democracies, but a undemocratic country like Serbia doesn't Understand that concept.

early start has not only spoiled the hunt but also has created a bad precedent ... only idiots or hidden enemies could initiate such a provocation

What can one say?

Serbian president meets convicted war criminal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/11/serbian-president-meets-convicted-war-criminal.html

Stupid man.

If he could prove this, governments would crash.

Independent judiciary is a fundamental in EU countries.

What is worrying is that this indicates that he can still influence Serbian courts.

If that is the case he should be hounded out of office NOW.

To all of the naive commentators on this site who think that it is not in the interest of the EU to keep a lid on this. You are all very delusional
Mr Nikolic is stating the obvious
The EU does not want this to go to trial, guilty or not. They have proven how inept they were in the last trial by there inability to protect witnesses. I don't think this fact is lost with the French
Don't forget they have his passport

He seems to be under the impression that the EU (whatever he means by that...Parliament?, Brussels?, Strasbourg?) are in a position to tell a regional French court who to keep detained and who to release


Its more sophisticated than that,all those Euro Leaders know whats expected of them by the Empire that supported those Terrorists in Kosovo and still occupy part of it today,like they support terrorists in Syria.

@Ned Taylor
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I do realize that the EU does not officially control the judiciary in their respective countries however there are back channels that can be brought to bear if necessary
This situation is somewhat different in view of the fact the French retained his passport. Not the case in the previous incident in Slovenia where he was unconditionally released

I do realize that the EU does not officially control the judiciary in their respective countries however there are back channels that can be brought to bear if necessary
(Samd, 14 January 2017 01:19)

Not sure what that means! Who is this EU person or institution that has a back channel that can be brought to bear if necessary?!

Sam D: You may well be right that the EU would prefer the lid to be kept on this, but that is not what Nikolic was saying. He seems to be under the impression that the EU (whatever he means by that...Parliament?, Brussels?, Strasbourg?) are in a position to tell a regional French court who to keep detained and who to release; they are not. Please don't mistake the fact that I don't share your opinion with my being naïve.

Has Nikolic been at the rakia again?

DOes he mean that 28 governments had a secret conference call and gave a secret order to the sovereign French court to release a suspect which the French court secretly agreed to?
I could add that this is a suspect who has been tried and found not guilty twice.

Perhaps Nikolc and Vucic can ignore court judgements and order a court to release war criminals and therefore think that "the EU" must do the same?
You would think a person holding the office of president might have some clue as to how the judiciary and the EU works.
It must be handy to be able to blame all your failures on the EU

Euro Leaders know whats expected of them by the Empire
(Englishman, 15 January 2017 00:22)

Who is this "Empire" mate?!

"Englishman"

Serbs pretending to be diffrent nationalites here. LOL!

Sam D: Yes, Slovenia dealt with this very differently. I think there is a difference between whether the judiciary in a particular country is wholly independent or open to influence from their own government and whether or not the EU can specifically intervene. I have no doubt that various judiciaries within the EU are still struggling to break free of political interference and would hazard that this probably goes on in Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria and possibly the Baltics. It is hard to imagine that the Slovenes are particularly well disposed to Belgrade despite the fact that they pretty much avoided the carnage........12 dead I believe.

I am aware of the witness tampering that went on in the Haradinaj case but having come to a not guilty verdict in the Hague, it will take some pretty convincing evidence, as opposed to conjecture, for extradition to take place. Nikolic hasn't helped the process by implying that interference with the judiciary is commonplace, giving rise to the suspicion that such interference would occur in this case in Serbia. Not only do the French have to be satisfied that there is prima facie new evidence against Haradinaj but also that he would receive a fair trial. I cannot believe that the Serbs would go to all this bother simply to allow a court to return a not guilty verdict.

Serbia is to be more careful in this fst changing world

http://yournewswire.com/queen-elizabeth-house-arrest-christmas-message/

Englishman: Whether the leaders are aware of what the "Empire" expects of them or not is not the point. I don't know what happens in your country but in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions.

I don't know what happens in your country but in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions.
(ned taylor, 16 January 2017 09:56)

---

Dear Mr. Ned Taylor, I don't know of your personal experiences with the French judicial system that supports this erroneous conclusion. However, you should note that the very credible and famous French magistrate, Eva Joly, disagrees with you.

French judicial corruption, particularly among the high level elite, is well entrenched and renowned.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-judge-rails-at-censoring-of-her-book-on-corruption-109617.html

Amnesty Jugoslavija: I have dealt extensively with colleagues both from Europol and from the Gendamerie and both organisations are of the view that the French judiciary are quite literally a law unto themselves. There is nothing in the link that you attached that suggests systemic corruption within the judiciary. Whether this is true in the relationship between government and big business both in France and elsewhere is another matter. We are back at the root of this issue which is that Nikolic prefers to believe that the judiciary acted under duress against its' own instincts rather than upon the evidence to hand. The former much better suits his narrative.

There is nothing in the link that you attached that suggests systemic corruption within the judiciary.
(ned taylor, 18 January 2017 19:21)

Ned, the article describes corruption within the judiciary (by concerted and repetitive efforts to censor Joly) as well as a judiciary corrupted by external forces. Either way, the facts contradict your false claim that "...in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions (ned taylor)"

We are back at the root of this issue which is that Nikolic prefers to believe that the judiciary acted under duress against its' own instincts rather than upon the evidence to hand. The former much better suits his narrative.

(ned taylor, 18 January 2017 19:21)

---

Ned: the information in the link provided a first hand account from a French Judge who described "political obstruction and death threats".

Yes Ned, perhaps Nikolic also interprets "political obstruction and death threats" as an example of a judiciary under duress.
At the root of our discussion is that Ned Taylor ignores published facts from a French judge and continues to believe that " in France the courts are independent and make their own decisions" ... because it suits Ned Taylor's narrative.




"Amnesty Jugoslavija: I have dealt extensively with colleagues both from Europol and from the Gendamerie and both organisations are of the view that the French judiciary are quite literally a law unto themselves. There is nothing in the link that you attached that suggests systemic corruption within the judiciary. Whether this is true in the relationship between government and big business both in France and elsewhere is another matter. We are back at the root of this issue which is that Nikolic prefers to believe that the judiciary acted under duress against its' own instincts rather than upon the evidence to hand. The former much better suits his narrative.
(ned taylor"

And still has time to write here as one of his prerogatives. He is everywhere because he knows world needs him.