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Monday, 02.01.2017.

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Clintons are out; Trump's in; Thaci offers hand to Putin

Hashim Thaci says he expects "fair and constructive" relations with Russia, although Moscow does not recognize Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence.

Izvor: Tanjug

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J

pre 7 godina

J - Still no answers to my questions? Why? Perhaps you can't support your weak arguments. I would have thought a self-proclaimed critical thinker like yourself would be able to defend their positions a little better than you have. Guess I was wrong.

-- The fact that we are Albanians in Kosova today is the argument of non-assimilation. Otherwise we'd be Serbs. If you can't comprehend such a simple thing then there's no hope.

What's your opinion on Mother Theresa? She's arguably the most famous Albanian world-wide. Do you consider her one of the weak ones because she is a woman of religion? Is she a follower with a 'herd mentality?' I mention her because she is the one Albanian that I can think of that is renowned globally for her humanitarian work. I can't think of anyone who would have anything bad to say about her....except maybe you and your atheist friend icj. Don't worry, just like icj, you've run away from my questions in the past, so I'm sure you'll run away again. Taking the easy way out...an Albanian trait. It's in your blood.

-- njegos, Good for humanitarian work. Don't like the religious side. Famous or not famous doesn't mean anything. She too believed in an imaginary friend in the sky. But even with religion, doesn't mean people can't do any good. Doesn't mean they can't do any bad either. Point is, critical thinking stops when speaking against idea punishes you to eternal damnation. Religion does this. Science doesn't.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

"Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it"
(icj1, 4 January 2017 20:47)

"As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion"
(icj1, 9 January 2017 14:35)

The master of obfuscation, deflection and deception is at it again. Back-peddling as usual. Caught contradicting himself/herself as is his/her pattern.
(njegos, 9 January 2017 15:53)

If your enthusiastic rush you just forgot a small detail: i.e. to explain where is the contradiction lol

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion ...in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

And then icj said: "As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion."

The master of obfuscation, deflection and deception is at it again. Back-peddling as usual. Caught contradicting himself/herself as is his/her pattern.

icj, the supreme Serb-hater is caught again speaking out of both sides of his/her mouth, or should I say keyboard. Too funny! Keep digging yourself deeper. After continually embarrassing yourself, I'm surprised you keep coming back. LMAOAY!!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Was Mother Theresa an idiot that was brainwashed? Please answer.
(njegos, 8 January 2017 16:37)

As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion.

Any other questions you have, mate?! I'm happy to help as always...

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J

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.
True religion creates true independent thinking.
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:57)

In science the heretics are celebrated. Copernicus is an example. Celebrated for his critical thinking, and his heresy against the scientific ignorance of that time. How are the heretics treated by religion for their critical thinking? Giordano Bruno comes to mind-burned to death.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244. 
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06) 



Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce. 
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21) 
Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol 

(icj1, 6 January 2017 01:10) 



I think you accidentally wrote your name as "Amnesty Yugoslavia" instead of "the collective readership" as your post states that your name is. You might want to fix it lol

(Icj1, 8 January 2017 02:04)

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icj1, the CB of B92, has long ago lost the capacity to "think". icj1's contradictions, idiotic posts, intolerance and bigotry are posted to the collective readership. If icj1 wants to restrict his/ her intolerance, hatred and idiotic posts to specific individuals, then icj1 should stop posting to the collective readership.

PS CB = Chief Bigot



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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

Was Mother Theresa an idiot that was brainwashed? Please answer.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - Still no answers to my questions? Why? Perhaps you can't support your weak arguments. I would have thought a self-proclaimed critical thinker like yourself would be able to defend their positions a little better than you have. Guess I was wrong.

What's your opinion on Mother Theresa? She's arguably the most famous Albanian world-wide. Do you consider her one of the weak ones because she is a woman of religion? Is she a follower with a 'herd mentality?' I mention her because she is the one Albanian that I can think of that is renowned globally for her humanitarian work. I can't think of anyone who would have anything bad to say about her....except maybe you and your atheist friend icj. Don't worry, just like icj, you've run away from my questions in the past, so I'm sure you'll run away again. Taking the easy way out...an Albanian trait. It's in your blood.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Dude: we the collective readership
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 6 January 2017 13:11)

I think you accidentally wrote your name as "Amnesty Yugoslavia" instead of "the collective readership" as your post states that your name is. You might want to fix it lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.
True religion creates true independent thinking.
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:57)

The only definition I could find about "true religion" was a jeans brand. Is that what you're talking about, dear?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Actually your first sentence above answers your question already that they were thinkers who made decisions independent from religious dogma. Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 20:47)

So now you're calling all Albanian Muslims idiots because they subscribe to a religion?
(njegos, 4 January 2017 23:22)

You are calling somebody an idiot because they SUBSCRIBE to a religion, not me. I called somebody an idiot for being BRAINWASHED by a religion, not for SUBSCRIBING to a religion.

Dear, your have such a predictable hater mentality. I knew that you'd write something like that and carefully chose the word "brainwashed". As predicted, in your hater mentality, you interpreted that to mean that people who subscribe to a religion are idiots!!!

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Alby Rydes & Breanne Benson

pre 7 godina

In the article, Thaci has said "In history, Kosovo has never harmed Russia. Therefore, Kosovo does not deserve this unfair attitude and punishment,"

??? In 2014, Thaci did as he was told by his American masters & imposed sanctions on Russia............... there won't be much change in Kosovo because America gets every single cent from the coal mines production & is making a lot of money.

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J

pre 7 godina

But you did. And you became Catholics and you became Muslims when the going got rough.

-- Yet we didn't become Serbs. Even when you killed our kids. We stayed Albanians in Kosova. Keep on with the hysteria, we are still Albanians in Kosova.

Tell me J, what percentage of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim? According to you they're foolish for subscribing to a religion and believing in Allah? Right J? In your world people who don't believe what you believe are sheep following the herd, right? Well, I guess that includes the vast majority of your countrymen from your beloved Kosovo.

-- Nationality and ethnicity first. We change religions like underwear if that means the survival of our nation. Our ethnicity our language is the crux of our survival. That's why priests and imams are a dime a dozen.No religion holds a monopoly over our nation. If one becomes a problem, we change it.

There is no evidence of Albanians being Illyrians. Romans were there too. Does that make Albanians Romans too? It's hard to justify anything you say about an Albanian culture when you can't point to anything tangible. You can only postulate. You're grasping at straws. Keep trying. Too funny!

Our language is the monument that has saved every trace of time from pre Slav Greek, Roman and Illyrian words. Our language places us in the region before the Slavs. The ruins are where we live and they're not Roman nor Greek. Pelion, come visit it, and do the math.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - Yet another diatribe and guess what? No answer to my question...again. You're sinking fast.

From J: "We didn't need to take the easy way out and become Serbs or even Orthodox."

But you did. And you became Catholics and you became Muslims when the going got rough. Tell me J, what percentage of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim? According to you they're foolish for subscribing to a religion and believing in Allah? Right J? In your world people who don't believe what you believe are sheep following the herd, right? Well, I guess that includes the vast majority of your countrymen from your beloved Kosovo.

More from J: "Lands where Albanians live are filled with Pre-Slavic archaeological sites. Albanian is a pre- Slavic language littered with ancient Greek and Illyrian words."

There is no evidence of Albanians being Illyrians. Romans were there too. Does that make Albanians Romans too? It's hard to justify anything you say about an Albanian culture when you can't point to anything tangible. You can only postulate. You're grasping at straws. Keep trying. Too funny!

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06)

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce. 
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21) 

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol
(icj1, 6 January 2017 01:10)

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Dude: we the collective readership congratulate you icj1, the CB of B92, for convincingly, and repeatedly, showcasing your delusions.

PS CB = Chief Bigot




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J

pre 7 godina

J - You said, "There's no diatribe." Then you launched into another one of your atheistic diatribes again.

You go on to say, "Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language."

Defend your ethnicity? ...If you were defending anything you would have resisted, not caved in and assimilated. That is precisely why there is no evidence of an Albanian culture to speak of even though you guys claim to be the indigenous people of the Balkans. You assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path and now you try to claim that Serbian monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Comical!

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel good J, but the fact is that your countrymen chose to take the easy way out whenever times got tough. This lack of character has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Albanians have occupied the lowest rung of every society they've been a part of. So much to be proud of. No run along an answer my questions.
(njegos, 5 January 2017 23:58)

Njegos, Albanian Popes. Not such a low rank. We are in Kosova as Albanians. We didn't need to take the easy way out and become Serbs or even Orthodox. We are Albanians in Kosova; not assimilated Serbs in Kosova. Lands where Albanians live are filled with Pre-Slavic archaeological sites. Albanian is a pre- Slavic language littered with ancient Greek and Illyrian words. You do the math. You have no arguments. I'm proud to be an atheist, you're not hurting me by calling me out.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21)

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21)

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - You said, "There's no diatribe." Then you launched into another one of your atheistic diatribes again.

You go on to say, "Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language."

Defend your ethnicity? Are you and icj the same person? I thought he/she was the master of obfuscation, deflection and deception but you give him/her a run for their money. If you were defending anything you would have resisted, not caved in and assimilated. That is precisely why there is no evidence of an Albanian culture to speak of even though you guys claim to be the indigenous people of the Balkans. You assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path and now you try to claim that Serbian monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Comical!

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel good J, but the fact is that your countrymen chose to take the easy way out whenever times got tough. This lack of character has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Albanians have occupied the lowest rung of every society they've been a part of. So much to be proud of. No run along an answer my questions.

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J

pre 7 godina

j - Please spare me your atheistic diatribe and just answer the question I asked of you. You and your little friend icj are very adept at dodging questions. What does that say for your arguments? If you're such an independent and critical thinker like you espouse to be, you would answer the questions directed toward you. I won't hold my breath though. Maybe you and icj could pool your brain cells and answer the questions I've asked of the two of you. What da ya think?
(njegos, 5 January 2017 15:17)
There's no diatribe. We Albanians can be just Albanians without religion defining our national identity and ethnicity. It's always been that way. If maintaining my ethnicity, and my national identity requires that I as an atheist sign some paperwork that declares me Jewish or Budhist or Orthodox for example, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Because the most important thing is being Albanian and preserving that by all means possible.I know my beliefs no matter what paperwork says. Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language. Serbs on the other hand seems they can't be Serbs if they're not Orthodox. That is a weak notion of ethnicity. Tying yourself to a religion to survive as a nation, as an ethnicity.Your national identity paradigm is weak as it requires the church to survive. Ours is not and requires no specific religion or any religion at all. That's why even small in numbers we've survived conquerors mostly on our own. Albanian first; the rest are secondary.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06)

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icj1, the CB of B92, once again demonstrates his/ her delusions: Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

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njegos

pre 7 godina

j - Please spare me your atheistic diatribe and just answer the question I asked of you. You and your little friend icj are very adept at dodging questions. What does that say for your arguments? If you're such an independent and critical thinker like you espouse to be, you would answer the questions directed toward you. I won't hold my breath though. Maybe you and icj could pool your brain cells and answer the questions I've asked of the two of you. What da ya think?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 02:18)

KiM, from 1999 to present is anything but independent (ref: UNSCR 1244) and may be classified more precisely as a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 06:14)

Of course, while KIM declared independence from Serbia in accordance with UNSCR 1244, it is still dependent from UNMIK, which is the authority in control of KIM. Thanks for reminding the members of these forums about that since UNSCR 1244 is still in force and it will be so for the foreseeable future.

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

why is he crawling on his belly to Russia like the reptile he is?
lol
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:33)

What's wrong with that? Ivica does that almost every other day!

In addition, the CE of B92 forums sj has ruled that Russia is the master of the universe. Don't you agree? lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 02:18)

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KiM, from 1999 to present is anything but independent (ref: UNSCR 1244) and may be classified more precisely as a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto.

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J

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Then you used the wrong example. But I'll entertain the idea because if you looked into it using critical thinking you'd have seen yourself why your example was not the right one. You could have for example come up with statistics showing how many Albanians speak Serbian at home as their primary way of communication. Then we could talk about assimilation.
Now back to religion. The vast majority of Albanians view themselves as Albanians first. That is to say religion does not define our identity, ethnicity, nationality. It has been these way since our first principalities when people converted from paganism to monotheistic religions. Mainly because those who have lived in those lands have viewed religions as institutions of those who tried to conquer our lands. Religions were the means of control that foreigners used against us. It is why they're secondary or tertiary to our ethnicity, to our religion. It's why mosques and churches are empty. It's why there's all kinds of religions where we live. It's why ppl didn't care when it was declared illegal.

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factman

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.

True religion creates true independent thinking.

Independent thinkers of the world (like many of those below) are not truly independent in their thinking. Instead they are captive to sentiments that True Religion would liberate them from.

And until you walk the winding and steep road, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

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factman

pre 7 godina

j,

Spoken like the Communist children you all are.

Being truly religious is actually the hard way.

The road is narrow and steep

There is no distinction between science and religion.

The end game of science is belief in God.

Science can prove everything but it sputters out when the concept of INTENTION is introduced.

My ancestors believed in pagan gods and were probably tricked into believing in a Christian God, but numerous generations stayed on the path -- even when it was easier to leave it.

Its not too late for you to get on that path too. Its never too late.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

So now you're calling all Albanian Muslims idiots because they subscribe to a religion? And I guess you must also feel the same way about the fanatical Croats who tried to make their beloved Croatia an exclusively catholic state by forcibly converting tens of thousands of Serbs during WWII.

Just because someone doesn't believe the way you do icj doesn't make them an idiot. Where does all of your hate come from? Next time you call someone a name, look in the mirror first.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Actually your first sentence above answers your question already that they were thinkers who made decisions independent from religious dogma. Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it.

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Comm.Parrisson

pre 7 godina

"But if you were hoping that Kosova would somehow orient itself towards Moscow instead of EU or US, you will be sorely disappointed. "
(Therret Prizreni, 3 January 2017 20:48)

Looks like 'Kosova' is orienting itself towards Turkey instead, not so different to Muslim Bosnia. If it's a smart move future will tell, I don't think so.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

@j: I didn't ask for a narrative on religion - that is neither the subject at hand, nor is this the site for such a discussion. I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life. Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.

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J

pre 7 godina

Many Albanians did become Serbs. I personally know many with last names ending in 'ic.' Many more converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. Prior to that Albanians were either Orthodox or Catholic. But rather than stand by their beliefs, Albanians converted to the occupier's religion as the easy way out. I know you're an atheist, but what were your ancestors j? Orthodox, Catholic or Muslim? Did they take the easy way out?

-- njegos, being religious is the easy way out. A religious person looks for easy answers. They don't challange the dogmatic beliefs of the religion, otherwise eternal damnation awaits them. If it was for religious people we would still have the god of rain, god of wine, god of thunder and the other thousand gods. We don't because people challange these beliefs. They were not OK with the easy answers provided by the gods. They thought chritically and solved their ignorance through science. Now tell me what gods did your ancestors believe in before you became Orthodox and where's the courage in exchanging one set of gods for one God? Still looking for easy answers.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Like I said, America doesn't care anymore.
(factman, 3 January 2017 06:30)

Of course, you just discovered that now?! lol
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The Snake now sees that.
Foolishly, he chose the wrong horse.
(factman, 3 January 2017 06:30)

Well, he chose the horse that makes possible for Kosovo to be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present. So, it appears he definitively chose the right horse as far as Kosovo is concerned.

As far as Serbia is concerned, sure, you are correct that Serbia chose the wrong horse. If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From j: " If we assimilated with every occupier we'd be Serbs, or Greeks, or Italians. Instead we are Albanians."

Many Albanians did become Serbs. I personally know many with last names ending in 'ic.' Many more converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. Prior to that Albanians were either Orthodox or Catholic. But rather than stand by their beliefs, Albanians converted to the occupier's religion as the easy way out. I know you're an atheist, but what were your ancestors j? Orthodox, Catholic or Muslim? Did they take the easy way out?

This is precisely why there is no evidence of Albanian history to speak of because you assimilated to everyone else's culture. Now Albanians are trying to claim that Serb monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Absurd! And the claim that Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians is not supported by any legitimate historian.

Assimilation = conversion = no history! Bye

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Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

Watch the Serbs pee their panties prematurely from excitement. There isn't anything new that Thaci hasn't said before - Kosova is no enemy of anyone and he has invited Russia to recognize Kosova multiple times in the past. Nor is there anything wrong with a country's diplomacy reaching out even to those that are hostile, to smooth out foreign relationships; that's what diplomacy is for.

What do you have to say then, about Serbia's relationship to the US after it was bombed for 78 days.

But if you were hoping that Kosova would somehow orient itself towards Moscow instead of EU or US, you will be sorely disappointed.

What's up with the title of this 'article'? Clinton has not been a president for 15 years now; did you forget that Bush was twice president (and recognized Kosova as independent) and so was Obama?

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J

pre 7 godina

In true Albanian form, Thaci is now sucking up to Putin. Just as Thaci's Albanian ancestors assimilated with every occupier that ruled the Albanian people, ie, the Venetians, Ottomans and Serbs, Thaci is ready to roll over for the Russians. What happened to all of that talk about Albanians being such proud and steadfast people? I'm afraid historical facts paint a very different picture. Assume the position Hasim!
(njegos, 3 January 2017 18:48)

It's the fact that we haven't assimilated that drives you into the hysteria of the post above. If we assimilated with every occupier we'd be Serbs, or Greeks, or Italians. Instead we are Albanians. Even when you killed our children we did not become Serbs. Even when we had no allied after WWII and up to the 1990's and Serbia was supported by all we did not become Serbs. It's not going to happen now matter how much you b!Tch and moan.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

In true Albanian form, Thaci is now sucking up to Putin. Just as Thaci's Albanian ancestors assimilated with every occupier that ruled the Albanian people, ie, the Venetians, Ottomans and Serbs, Thaci is ready to roll over for the Russians. What happened to all of that talk about Albanians being such proud and steadfast people? I'm afraid historical facts paint a very different picture. Assume the position Hasim!

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Matej

pre 7 godina

"In history, Kosovo has never harmed Russia"

Kosovo hasnt but you YOU have!!
YOU Albanians killed Russian ambassador! http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/print60666.htm
Congratulations it's what only you and ISIL in history who killed Russian ambassadors??

You Albanians think Ruskies forget? I'm Serbian. I love them they love us blah blah but even I would NEVER play games with Russians . Russians play chess and remember like freakin elephants. You get away with no BS. So shut up Hasim it's useless. Sit down.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 7 godina

Somehow tricky of the snake to try to sneak closer to Russia through Putin's new Buddy, caliph Erdogan of Turkey/Osman empire.

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William UK

pre 7 godina

How short the memory of some people are.

Kosovo imposes sanctions, Russians amused
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=09&dd=18&nav_id=91656

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factman

pre 7 godina

Like I said, America doesn't care anymore.

The Snake now sees that.

Foolishly, he chose the wrong horse.

Downhill for him from now on.

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justhetruth

pre 7 godina

In history Kosovo never harmned Russia...that's funny...There never was a Kosovo in history...That Thaci is a moron!
(Mihai, 2 January 2017 12:06)
Get your fact's right
http://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/139509/

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Jovan

pre 7 godina

It's simply pathetic what our dear albanian friends are presenting here.

You can lie to yourselves all day long but you cannot twist reality.

It is neither smart from Touchy nor in any shape or form having a real chance to trick Russia by licking their boots.

The world is changing indeed, but not in your direction.

I think you Albanians should not fool yourselves...the current changes in international affairs will affect you - and you will have to realize that you will have to ditch your dreams...

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Russia and china are the world leaders
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

Of course, but not sure whom are they leading! For example, when the UN General Assembly voted about Ukraine, the only countries that followed Russia's lead were Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe. Is it those 10 (mostly failed) countries that you are referring to as the "world" that Russia is leading?!
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Russia and china and the new world nations who you want to be close too
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

You might want to start with convincing emigrating Serbs that they should go to Russia and China and not US or EU!
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as you could see everyone is arming Serbia almost free
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

Of course, so they could fight their proxy wars with Serbia's blood (which will make Serbia into a battle ground like Syria and reduce it to rubble)!
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Serbia is going to be the leader in the Balkans its been stated and will
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

The leader in what? Poverty and failures?

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Avni

pre 7 godina

Not in my name or my country's name. Just like Serbian war criminals in Serbian government, to stay away from the Hague Tribunal he pretends to be a democrat.

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NWO

pre 7 godina

Russia and china are the world leaders......now Albanians want closer ties to Russia lol.....American propganda and their isis-old aging nato friends are long gone....they were never strong to the big boys.....now they woke up the bear and dragon......EU is done in 2018 it started with UK next is Italy then France....the new world is here.......peace on earth and jobs and economy in the world is here and is going to start this year/////Serbia does not need old grandpa nato or EU both are dead......Russia and china and the new world nations who you want to be close too...let the Albanians ,croats and the other puny old aging nations stay with America lol even America is a puppet...lol and always was.....as you could see everyone is arming Serbia almost free and opening more and more businesses in Serbia......new world is here enjoy the show.....Serbia is going to be the leader in the Balkans its been stated and will.....so start having more babies for a brighter future .....its starting.....

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rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

Using Kadirov was my private idea but most likely Lavrov will be involved if the offer is accepted. In this case Russia and Turkey may intermediate effectively. But I am afraid that the Whites are tied too much to the West and it may become a problem. In a way besa people are hostages so much will depend on Trump. Kadirov is always used in sensitive issues like killing someone abroad or send peacemakers betweel Hesbollah and Israel or a police batalion to Aleppo or to save hostages ect.

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Very good move from Thaci and Rote please remember that there was a bloody war in Kosovo. Besides the Special Court will have their say if it is true that Thaci was personally involved in the killings of Serbs civilians. I hope for him as a man and as a former fighter that he has no blood of innocent people in his hands. This Ramazan Kadirov is also welcome if he can help things getting better and things wont get better dividing Kosovo I think. Rote Thaci is also very hard and criticizes Albanians when we deserve it. Do you know what was his answer when all Albanians claimed to be veterans of war? He said "well if there were so many of us fighting against Serbs there would have never been the need for Nato to intervene and take over"! We got to know this man and his personal history before judging him I think.

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Danny

pre 7 godina

Understand that the end has come for the Albanians, Bosnians, Croatians, Macedonians even the Serbs if they go into the EU. Trump is in power Putin in Power and others. The world is turning around real fast.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Moscow is taking over the Balkans
(sj, 2 January 2017 12:52)

Dear, according to the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj, Moscow has already taken over the Balkans and the entire world long ago. Next time, you should acquaint yourself with the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj in order to avoid writing nonsense :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Thaci is panicking. He interfered in the American democratic process by instructing Albanian-Americans to vote Hillary. But he bet on the wrong horse. Now you think Putin will bail you out?

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rote

pre 7 godina

Of course Putin cannot shake hands with a murderer. But if there's a chance to bring peace to the region it must be used I think. Why not to attract Ramzan Kadirov and his people? Both are former partizans and both are business men. Besides if the Snake misbehaves Ramzan may quite implement a more desisive solution of the issue to divide the province the way he likes it.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Very true! Albanians have never had quarrels with the state & people of Russia, in fact were allied with the Soviet Union for a very long term, until Nikita kruseve embarked on a policy of revisionism of communism! True Russia was the first to bring and put communism in play, however from Russia to all of Europe only Albania perfected the system, and unfortunately the results were seen in the early 1990s!!!
(Peter the Rocky, 2 January 2017 12:12)

Its time to get off your belly and stop crawling. Only yesterday you were making disparaging remarks at every opportunity about Russia now that Moscow is taking over the Balkans you start crawling.
Serbs went through hell over the last 20 years but held their ground. Why don't you start doing the same and show us the strength of Albanians?

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sj

pre 7 godina

I wonder what his old masters think about this? Hope Putin is not wearing his very expensive Breitling when shaking Thaci's hand. How the times are a changing. I actually thought it would take longer for Kosovo to return to Serbia but it looks like its coming back a lot sooner than later LOL.

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Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

Very true! Albanians have never had quarrels with the state & people of Russia, in fact were allied with the Soviet Union for a very long term, until Nikita kruseve embarked on a policy of revisionism of communism! True Russia was the first to bring and put communism in play, however from Russia to all of Europe only Albania perfected the system, and unfortunately the results were seen in the early 1990s!!!

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Raisin Scone

pre 7 godina

This is actually very smart of him. His criminal buddies have finally been vanquished. So, he had to start prostrating to the new king.

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sj

pre 7 godina

I wonder what his old masters think about this? Hope Putin is not wearing his very expensive Breitling when shaking Thaci's hand. How the times are a changing. I actually thought it would take longer for Kosovo to return to Serbia but it looks like its coming back a lot sooner than later LOL.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Very true! Albanians have never had quarrels with the state & people of Russia, in fact were allied with the Soviet Union for a very long term, until Nikita kruseve embarked on a policy of revisionism of communism! True Russia was the first to bring and put communism in play, however from Russia to all of Europe only Albania perfected the system, and unfortunately the results were seen in the early 1990s!!!
(Peter the Rocky, 2 January 2017 12:12)

Its time to get off your belly and stop crawling. Only yesterday you were making disparaging remarks at every opportunity about Russia now that Moscow is taking over the Balkans you start crawling.
Serbs went through hell over the last 20 years but held their ground. Why don't you start doing the same and show us the strength of Albanians?

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Thaci is panicking. He interfered in the American democratic process by instructing Albanian-Americans to vote Hillary. But he bet on the wrong horse. Now you think Putin will bail you out?

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Raisin Scone

pre 7 godina

This is actually very smart of him. His criminal buddies have finally been vanquished. So, he had to start prostrating to the new king.

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Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

Very true! Albanians have never had quarrels with the state & people of Russia, in fact were allied with the Soviet Union for a very long term, until Nikita kruseve embarked on a policy of revisionism of communism! True Russia was the first to bring and put communism in play, however from Russia to all of Europe only Albania perfected the system, and unfortunately the results were seen in the early 1990s!!!

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rote

pre 7 godina

Of course Putin cannot shake hands with a murderer. But if there's a chance to bring peace to the region it must be used I think. Why not to attract Ramzan Kadirov and his people? Both are former partizans and both are business men. Besides if the Snake misbehaves Ramzan may quite implement a more desisive solution of the issue to divide the province the way he likes it.

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Very good move from Thaci and Rote please remember that there was a bloody war in Kosovo. Besides the Special Court will have their say if it is true that Thaci was personally involved in the killings of Serbs civilians. I hope for him as a man and as a former fighter that he has no blood of innocent people in his hands. This Ramazan Kadirov is also welcome if he can help things getting better and things wont get better dividing Kosovo I think. Rote Thaci is also very hard and criticizes Albanians when we deserve it. Do you know what was his answer when all Albanians claimed to be veterans of war? He said "well if there were so many of us fighting against Serbs there would have never been the need for Nato to intervene and take over"! We got to know this man and his personal history before judging him I think.

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Avni

pre 7 godina

Not in my name or my country's name. Just like Serbian war criminals in Serbian government, to stay away from the Hague Tribunal he pretends to be a democrat.

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NWO

pre 7 godina

Russia and china are the world leaders......now Albanians want closer ties to Russia lol.....American propganda and their isis-old aging nato friends are long gone....they were never strong to the big boys.....now they woke up the bear and dragon......EU is done in 2018 it started with UK next is Italy then France....the new world is here.......peace on earth and jobs and economy in the world is here and is going to start this year/////Serbia does not need old grandpa nato or EU both are dead......Russia and china and the new world nations who you want to be close too...let the Albanians ,croats and the other puny old aging nations stay with America lol even America is a puppet...lol and always was.....as you could see everyone is arming Serbia almost free and opening more and more businesses in Serbia......new world is here enjoy the show.....Serbia is going to be the leader in the Balkans its been stated and will.....so start having more babies for a brighter future .....its starting.....

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Danny

pre 7 godina

Understand that the end has come for the Albanians, Bosnians, Croatians, Macedonians even the Serbs if they go into the EU. Trump is in power Putin in Power and others. The world is turning around real fast.

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justhetruth

pre 7 godina

In history Kosovo never harmned Russia...that's funny...There never was a Kosovo in history...That Thaci is a moron!
(Mihai, 2 January 2017 12:06)
Get your fact's right
http://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/139509/

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factman

pre 7 godina

Like I said, America doesn't care anymore.

The Snake now sees that.

Foolishly, he chose the wrong horse.

Downhill for him from now on.

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William UK

pre 7 godina

How short the memory of some people are.

Kosovo imposes sanctions, Russians amused
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=09&dd=18&nav_id=91656

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Moscow is taking over the Balkans
(sj, 2 January 2017 12:52)

Dear, according to the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj, Moscow has already taken over the Balkans and the entire world long ago. Next time, you should acquaint yourself with the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj in order to avoid writing nonsense :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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njegos

pre 7 godina

In true Albanian form, Thaci is now sucking up to Putin. Just as Thaci's Albanian ancestors assimilated with every occupier that ruled the Albanian people, ie, the Venetians, Ottomans and Serbs, Thaci is ready to roll over for the Russians. What happened to all of that talk about Albanians being such proud and steadfast people? I'm afraid historical facts paint a very different picture. Assume the position Hasim!

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Matej

pre 7 godina

"In history, Kosovo has never harmed Russia"

Kosovo hasnt but you YOU have!!
YOU Albanians killed Russian ambassador! http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/print60666.htm
Congratulations it's what only you and ISIL in history who killed Russian ambassadors??

You Albanians think Ruskies forget? I'm Serbian. I love them they love us blah blah but even I would NEVER play games with Russians . Russians play chess and remember like freakin elephants. You get away with no BS. So shut up Hasim it's useless. Sit down.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Russia and china are the world leaders
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

Of course, but not sure whom are they leading! For example, when the UN General Assembly voted about Ukraine, the only countries that followed Russia's lead were Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe. Is it those 10 (mostly failed) countries that you are referring to as the "world" that Russia is leading?!
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Russia and china and the new world nations who you want to be close too
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

You might want to start with convincing emigrating Serbs that they should go to Russia and China and not US or EU!
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as you could see everyone is arming Serbia almost free
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

Of course, so they could fight their proxy wars with Serbia's blood (which will make Serbia into a battle ground like Syria and reduce it to rubble)!
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Serbia is going to be the leader in the Balkans its been stated and will
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

The leader in what? Poverty and failures?

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Jovan

pre 7 godina

It's simply pathetic what our dear albanian friends are presenting here.

You can lie to yourselves all day long but you cannot twist reality.

It is neither smart from Touchy nor in any shape or form having a real chance to trick Russia by licking their boots.

The world is changing indeed, but not in your direction.

I think you Albanians should not fool yourselves...the current changes in international affairs will affect you - and you will have to realize that you will have to ditch your dreams...

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 7 godina

Somehow tricky of the snake to try to sneak closer to Russia through Putin's new Buddy, caliph Erdogan of Turkey/Osman empire.

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J

pre 7 godina

In true Albanian form, Thaci is now sucking up to Putin. Just as Thaci's Albanian ancestors assimilated with every occupier that ruled the Albanian people, ie, the Venetians, Ottomans and Serbs, Thaci is ready to roll over for the Russians. What happened to all of that talk about Albanians being such proud and steadfast people? I'm afraid historical facts paint a very different picture. Assume the position Hasim!
(njegos, 3 January 2017 18:48)

It's the fact that we haven't assimilated that drives you into the hysteria of the post above. If we assimilated with every occupier we'd be Serbs, or Greeks, or Italians. Instead we are Albanians. Even when you killed our children we did not become Serbs. Even when we had no allied after WWII and up to the 1990's and Serbia was supported by all we did not become Serbs. It's not going to happen now matter how much you b!Tch and moan.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From j: " If we assimilated with every occupier we'd be Serbs, or Greeks, or Italians. Instead we are Albanians."

Many Albanians did become Serbs. I personally know many with last names ending in 'ic.' Many more converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. Prior to that Albanians were either Orthodox or Catholic. But rather than stand by their beliefs, Albanians converted to the occupier's religion as the easy way out. I know you're an atheist, but what were your ancestors j? Orthodox, Catholic or Muslim? Did they take the easy way out?

This is precisely why there is no evidence of Albanian history to speak of because you assimilated to everyone else's culture. Now Albanians are trying to claim that Serb monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Absurd! And the claim that Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians is not supported by any legitimate historian.

Assimilation = conversion = no history! Bye

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rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

Using Kadirov was my private idea but most likely Lavrov will be involved if the offer is accepted. In this case Russia and Turkey may intermediate effectively. But I am afraid that the Whites are tied too much to the West and it may become a problem. In a way besa people are hostages so much will depend on Trump. Kadirov is always used in sensitive issues like killing someone abroad or send peacemakers betweel Hesbollah and Israel or a police batalion to Aleppo or to save hostages ect.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

@j: I didn't ask for a narrative on religion - that is neither the subject at hand, nor is this the site for such a discussion. I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life. Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06)

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce. 
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21) 

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol
(icj1, 6 January 2017 01:10)

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Dude: we the collective readership congratulate you icj1, the CB of B92, for convincingly, and repeatedly, showcasing your delusions.

PS CB = Chief Bigot




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J

pre 7 godina

Many Albanians did become Serbs. I personally know many with last names ending in 'ic.' Many more converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. Prior to that Albanians were either Orthodox or Catholic. But rather than stand by their beliefs, Albanians converted to the occupier's religion as the easy way out. I know you're an atheist, but what were your ancestors j? Orthodox, Catholic or Muslim? Did they take the easy way out?

-- njegos, being religious is the easy way out. A religious person looks for easy answers. They don't challange the dogmatic beliefs of the religion, otherwise eternal damnation awaits them. If it was for religious people we would still have the god of rain, god of wine, god of thunder and the other thousand gods. We don't because people challange these beliefs. They were not OK with the easy answers provided by the gods. They thought chritically and solved their ignorance through science. Now tell me what gods did your ancestors believe in before you became Orthodox and where's the courage in exchanging one set of gods for one God? Still looking for easy answers.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 02:18)

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KiM, from 1999 to present is anything but independent (ref: UNSCR 1244) and may be classified more precisely as a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06)

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icj1, the CB of B92, once again demonstrates his/ her delusions: Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

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J

pre 7 godina

But you did. And you became Catholics and you became Muslims when the going got rough.

-- Yet we didn't become Serbs. Even when you killed our kids. We stayed Albanians in Kosova. Keep on with the hysteria, we are still Albanians in Kosova.

Tell me J, what percentage of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim? According to you they're foolish for subscribing to a religion and believing in Allah? Right J? In your world people who don't believe what you believe are sheep following the herd, right? Well, I guess that includes the vast majority of your countrymen from your beloved Kosovo.

-- Nationality and ethnicity first. We change religions like underwear if that means the survival of our nation. Our ethnicity our language is the crux of our survival. That's why priests and imams are a dime a dozen.No religion holds a monopoly over our nation. If one becomes a problem, we change it.

There is no evidence of Albanians being Illyrians. Romans were there too. Does that make Albanians Romans too? It's hard to justify anything you say about an Albanian culture when you can't point to anything tangible. You can only postulate. You're grasping at straws. Keep trying. Too funny!

Our language is the monument that has saved every trace of time from pre Slav Greek, Roman and Illyrian words. Our language places us in the region before the Slavs. The ruins are where we live and they're not Roman nor Greek. Pelion, come visit it, and do the math.

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Alby Rydes & Breanne Benson

pre 7 godina

In the article, Thaci has said "In history, Kosovo has never harmed Russia. Therefore, Kosovo does not deserve this unfair attitude and punishment,"

??? In 2014, Thaci did as he was told by his American masters & imposed sanctions on Russia............... there won't be much change in Kosovo because America gets every single cent from the coal mines production & is making a lot of money.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244. 
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06) 



Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce. 
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21) 
Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol 

(icj1, 6 January 2017 01:10) 



I think you accidentally wrote your name as "Amnesty Yugoslavia" instead of "the collective readership" as your post states that your name is. You might want to fix it lol

(Icj1, 8 January 2017 02:04)

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icj1, the CB of B92, has long ago lost the capacity to "think". icj1's contradictions, idiotic posts, intolerance and bigotry are posted to the collective readership. If icj1 wants to restrict his/ her intolerance, hatred and idiotic posts to specific individuals, then icj1 should stop posting to the collective readership.

PS CB = Chief Bigot



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Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

Watch the Serbs pee their panties prematurely from excitement. There isn't anything new that Thaci hasn't said before - Kosova is no enemy of anyone and he has invited Russia to recognize Kosova multiple times in the past. Nor is there anything wrong with a country's diplomacy reaching out even to those that are hostile, to smooth out foreign relationships; that's what diplomacy is for.

What do you have to say then, about Serbia's relationship to the US after it was bombed for 78 days.

But if you were hoping that Kosova would somehow orient itself towards Moscow instead of EU or US, you will be sorely disappointed.

What's up with the title of this 'article'? Clinton has not been a president for 15 years now; did you forget that Bush was twice president (and recognized Kosova as independent) and so was Obama?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Like I said, America doesn't care anymore.
(factman, 3 January 2017 06:30)

Of course, you just discovered that now?! lol
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The Snake now sees that.
Foolishly, he chose the wrong horse.
(factman, 3 January 2017 06:30)

Well, he chose the horse that makes possible for Kosovo to be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present. So, it appears he definitively chose the right horse as far as Kosovo is concerned.

As far as Serbia is concerned, sure, you are correct that Serbia chose the wrong horse. If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Actually your first sentence above answers your question already that they were thinkers who made decisions independent from religious dogma. Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

So now you're calling all Albanian Muslims idiots because they subscribe to a religion? And I guess you must also feel the same way about the fanatical Croats who tried to make their beloved Croatia an exclusively catholic state by forcibly converting tens of thousands of Serbs during WWII.

Just because someone doesn't believe the way you do icj doesn't make them an idiot. Where does all of your hate come from? Next time you call someone a name, look in the mirror first.

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factman

pre 7 godina

j,

Spoken like the Communist children you all are.

Being truly religious is actually the hard way.

The road is narrow and steep

There is no distinction between science and religion.

The end game of science is belief in God.

Science can prove everything but it sputters out when the concept of INTENTION is introduced.

My ancestors believed in pagan gods and were probably tricked into believing in a Christian God, but numerous generations stayed on the path -- even when it was easier to leave it.

Its not too late for you to get on that path too. Its never too late.

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factman

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.

True religion creates true independent thinking.

Independent thinkers of the world (like many of those below) are not truly independent in their thinking. Instead they are captive to sentiments that True Religion would liberate them from.

And until you walk the winding and steep road, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

j - Please spare me your atheistic diatribe and just answer the question I asked of you. You and your little friend icj are very adept at dodging questions. What does that say for your arguments? If you're such an independent and critical thinker like you espouse to be, you would answer the questions directed toward you. I won't hold my breath though. Maybe you and icj could pool your brain cells and answer the questions I've asked of the two of you. What da ya think?

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - You said, "There's no diatribe." Then you launched into another one of your atheistic diatribes again.

You go on to say, "Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language."

Defend your ethnicity? Are you and icj the same person? I thought he/she was the master of obfuscation, deflection and deception but you give him/her a run for their money. If you were defending anything you would have resisted, not caved in and assimilated. That is precisely why there is no evidence of an Albanian culture to speak of even though you guys claim to be the indigenous people of the Balkans. You assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path and now you try to claim that Serbian monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Comical!

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel good J, but the fact is that your countrymen chose to take the easy way out whenever times got tough. This lack of character has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Albanians have occupied the lowest rung of every society they've been a part of. So much to be proud of. No run along an answer my questions.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - Yet another diatribe and guess what? No answer to my question...again. You're sinking fast.

From J: "We didn't need to take the easy way out and become Serbs or even Orthodox."

But you did. And you became Catholics and you became Muslims when the going got rough. Tell me J, what percentage of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim? According to you they're foolish for subscribing to a religion and believing in Allah? Right J? In your world people who don't believe what you believe are sheep following the herd, right? Well, I guess that includes the vast majority of your countrymen from your beloved Kosovo.

More from J: "Lands where Albanians live are filled with Pre-Slavic archaeological sites. Albanian is a pre- Slavic language littered with ancient Greek and Illyrian words."

There is no evidence of Albanians being Illyrians. Romans were there too. Does that make Albanians Romans too? It's hard to justify anything you say about an Albanian culture when you can't point to anything tangible. You can only postulate. You're grasping at straws. Keep trying. Too funny!

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J

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.
True religion creates true independent thinking.
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:57)

In science the heretics are celebrated. Copernicus is an example. Celebrated for his critical thinking, and his heresy against the scientific ignorance of that time. How are the heretics treated by religion for their critical thinking? Giordano Bruno comes to mind-burned to death.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion ...in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

And then icj said: "As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion."

The master of obfuscation, deflection and deception is at it again. Back-peddling as usual. Caught contradicting himself/herself as is his/her pattern.

icj, the supreme Serb-hater is caught again speaking out of both sides of his/her mouth, or should I say keyboard. Too funny! Keep digging yourself deeper. After continually embarrassing yourself, I'm surprised you keep coming back. LMAOAY!!

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J

pre 7 godina

J - Still no answers to my questions? Why? Perhaps you can't support your weak arguments. I would have thought a self-proclaimed critical thinker like yourself would be able to defend their positions a little better than you have. Guess I was wrong.

-- The fact that we are Albanians in Kosova today is the argument of non-assimilation. Otherwise we'd be Serbs. If you can't comprehend such a simple thing then there's no hope.

What's your opinion on Mother Theresa? She's arguably the most famous Albanian world-wide. Do you consider her one of the weak ones because she is a woman of religion? Is she a follower with a 'herd mentality?' I mention her because she is the one Albanian that I can think of that is renowned globally for her humanitarian work. I can't think of anyone who would have anything bad to say about her....except maybe you and your atheist friend icj. Don't worry, just like icj, you've run away from my questions in the past, so I'm sure you'll run away again. Taking the easy way out...an Albanian trait. It's in your blood.

-- njegos, Good for humanitarian work. Don't like the religious side. Famous or not famous doesn't mean anything. She too believed in an imaginary friend in the sky. But even with religion, doesn't mean people can't do any good. Doesn't mean they can't do any bad either. Point is, critical thinking stops when speaking against idea punishes you to eternal damnation. Religion does this. Science doesn't.

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Comm.Parrisson

pre 7 godina

"But if you were hoping that Kosova would somehow orient itself towards Moscow instead of EU or US, you will be sorely disappointed. "
(Therret Prizreni, 3 January 2017 20:48)

Looks like 'Kosova' is orienting itself towards Turkey instead, not so different to Muslim Bosnia. If it's a smart move future will tell, I don't think so.

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J

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Then you used the wrong example. But I'll entertain the idea because if you looked into it using critical thinking you'd have seen yourself why your example was not the right one. You could have for example come up with statistics showing how many Albanians speak Serbian at home as their primary way of communication. Then we could talk about assimilation.
Now back to religion. The vast majority of Albanians view themselves as Albanians first. That is to say religion does not define our identity, ethnicity, nationality. It has been these way since our first principalities when people converted from paganism to monotheistic religions. Mainly because those who have lived in those lands have viewed religions as institutions of those who tried to conquer our lands. Religions were the means of control that foreigners used against us. It is why they're secondary or tertiary to our ethnicity, to our religion. It's why mosques and churches are empty. It's why there's all kinds of religions where we live. It's why ppl didn't care when it was declared illegal.

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J

pre 7 godina

J - You said, "There's no diatribe." Then you launched into another one of your atheistic diatribes again.

You go on to say, "Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language."

Defend your ethnicity? ...If you were defending anything you would have resisted, not caved in and assimilated. That is precisely why there is no evidence of an Albanian culture to speak of even though you guys claim to be the indigenous people of the Balkans. You assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path and now you try to claim that Serbian monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Comical!

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel good J, but the fact is that your countrymen chose to take the easy way out whenever times got tough. This lack of character has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Albanians have occupied the lowest rung of every society they've been a part of. So much to be proud of. No run along an answer my questions.
(njegos, 5 January 2017 23:58)

Njegos, Albanian Popes. Not such a low rank. We are in Kosova as Albanians. We didn't need to take the easy way out and become Serbs or even Orthodox. We are Albanians in Kosova; not assimilated Serbs in Kosova. Lands where Albanians live are filled with Pre-Slavic archaeological sites. Albanian is a pre- Slavic language littered with ancient Greek and Illyrian words. You do the math. You have no arguments. I'm proud to be an atheist, you're not hurting me by calling me out.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Dude: we the collective readership
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 6 January 2017 13:11)

I think you accidentally wrote your name as "Amnesty Yugoslavia" instead of "the collective readership" as your post states that your name is. You might want to fix it lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.
True religion creates true independent thinking.
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:57)

The only definition I could find about "true religion" was a jeans brand. Is that what you're talking about, dear?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Actually your first sentence above answers your question already that they were thinkers who made decisions independent from religious dogma. Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 20:47)

So now you're calling all Albanian Muslims idiots because they subscribe to a religion?
(njegos, 4 January 2017 23:22)

You are calling somebody an idiot because they SUBSCRIBE to a religion, not me. I called somebody an idiot for being BRAINWASHED by a religion, not for SUBSCRIBING to a religion.

Dear, your have such a predictable hater mentality. I knew that you'd write something like that and carefully chose the word "brainwashed". As predicted, in your hater mentality, you interpreted that to mean that people who subscribe to a religion are idiots!!!

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - Still no answers to my questions? Why? Perhaps you can't support your weak arguments. I would have thought a self-proclaimed critical thinker like yourself would be able to defend their positions a little better than you have. Guess I was wrong.

What's your opinion on Mother Theresa? She's arguably the most famous Albanian world-wide. Do you consider her one of the weak ones because she is a woman of religion? Is she a follower with a 'herd mentality?' I mention her because she is the one Albanian that I can think of that is renowned globally for her humanitarian work. I can't think of anyone who would have anything bad to say about her....except maybe you and your atheist friend icj. Don't worry, just like icj, you've run away from my questions in the past, so I'm sure you'll run away again. Taking the easy way out...an Albanian trait. It's in your blood.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

Was Mother Theresa an idiot that was brainwashed? Please answer.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

"Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it"
(icj1, 4 January 2017 20:47)

"As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion"
(icj1, 9 January 2017 14:35)

The master of obfuscation, deflection and deception is at it again. Back-peddling as usual. Caught contradicting himself/herself as is his/her pattern.
(njegos, 9 January 2017 15:53)

If your enthusiastic rush you just forgot a small detail: i.e. to explain where is the contradiction lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

why is he crawling on his belly to Russia like the reptile he is?
lol
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:33)

What's wrong with that? Ivica does that almost every other day!

In addition, the CE of B92 forums sj has ruled that Russia is the master of the universe. Don't you agree? lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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icj1

pre 7 godina

If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 02:18)

KiM, from 1999 to present is anything but independent (ref: UNSCR 1244) and may be classified more precisely as a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 06:14)

Of course, while KIM declared independence from Serbia in accordance with UNSCR 1244, it is still dependent from UNMIK, which is the authority in control of KIM. Thanks for reminding the members of these forums about that since UNSCR 1244 is still in force and it will be so for the foreseeable future.

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.

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J

pre 7 godina

j - Please spare me your atheistic diatribe and just answer the question I asked of you. You and your little friend icj are very adept at dodging questions. What does that say for your arguments? If you're such an independent and critical thinker like you espouse to be, you would answer the questions directed toward you. I won't hold my breath though. Maybe you and icj could pool your brain cells and answer the questions I've asked of the two of you. What da ya think?
(njegos, 5 January 2017 15:17)
There's no diatribe. We Albanians can be just Albanians without religion defining our national identity and ethnicity. It's always been that way. If maintaining my ethnicity, and my national identity requires that I as an atheist sign some paperwork that declares me Jewish or Budhist or Orthodox for example, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Because the most important thing is being Albanian and preserving that by all means possible.I know my beliefs no matter what paperwork says. Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language. Serbs on the other hand seems they can't be Serbs if they're not Orthodox. That is a weak notion of ethnicity. Tying yourself to a religion to survive as a nation, as an ethnicity.Your national identity paradigm is weak as it requires the church to survive. Ours is not and requires no specific religion or any religion at all. That's why even small in numbers we've survived conquerors mostly on our own. Albanian first; the rest are secondary.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21)

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21)

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Was Mother Theresa an idiot that was brainwashed? Please answer.
(njegos, 8 January 2017 16:37)

As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion.

Any other questions you have, mate?! I'm happy to help as always...

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Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

Very true! Albanians have never had quarrels with the state & people of Russia, in fact were allied with the Soviet Union for a very long term, until Nikita kruseve embarked on a policy of revisionism of communism! True Russia was the first to bring and put communism in play, however from Russia to all of Europe only Albania perfected the system, and unfortunately the results were seen in the early 1990s!!!

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Avni

pre 7 godina

Not in my name or my country's name. Just like Serbian war criminals in Serbian government, to stay away from the Hague Tribunal he pretends to be a democrat.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Russia and china are the world leaders
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

Of course, but not sure whom are they leading! For example, when the UN General Assembly voted about Ukraine, the only countries that followed Russia's lead were Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe. Is it those 10 (mostly failed) countries that you are referring to as the "world" that Russia is leading?!
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Russia and china and the new world nations who you want to be close too
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

You might want to start with convincing emigrating Serbs that they should go to Russia and China and not US or EU!
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as you could see everyone is arming Serbia almost free
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

Of course, so they could fight their proxy wars with Serbia's blood (which will make Serbia into a battle ground like Syria and reduce it to rubble)!
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Serbia is going to be the leader in the Balkans its been stated and will
(NWO, 2 January 2017 21:06)

The leader in what? Poverty and failures?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Moscow is taking over the Balkans
(sj, 2 January 2017 12:52)

Dear, according to the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj, Moscow has already taken over the Balkans and the entire world long ago. Next time, you should acquaint yourself with the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj in order to avoid writing nonsense :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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sj

pre 7 godina

Very true! Albanians have never had quarrels with the state & people of Russia, in fact were allied with the Soviet Union for a very long term, until Nikita kruseve embarked on a policy of revisionism of communism! True Russia was the first to bring and put communism in play, however from Russia to all of Europe only Albania perfected the system, and unfortunately the results were seen in the early 1990s!!!
(Peter the Rocky, 2 January 2017 12:12)

Its time to get off your belly and stop crawling. Only yesterday you were making disparaging remarks at every opportunity about Russia now that Moscow is taking over the Balkans you start crawling.
Serbs went through hell over the last 20 years but held their ground. Why don't you start doing the same and show us the strength of Albanians?

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Very good move from Thaci and Rote please remember that there was a bloody war in Kosovo. Besides the Special Court will have their say if it is true that Thaci was personally involved in the killings of Serbs civilians. I hope for him as a man and as a former fighter that he has no blood of innocent people in his hands. This Ramazan Kadirov is also welcome if he can help things getting better and things wont get better dividing Kosovo I think. Rote Thaci is also very hard and criticizes Albanians when we deserve it. Do you know what was his answer when all Albanians claimed to be veterans of war? He said "well if there were so many of us fighting against Serbs there would have never been the need for Nato to intervene and take over"! We got to know this man and his personal history before judging him I think.

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sj

pre 7 godina

I wonder what his old masters think about this? Hope Putin is not wearing his very expensive Breitling when shaking Thaci's hand. How the times are a changing. I actually thought it would take longer for Kosovo to return to Serbia but it looks like its coming back a lot sooner than later LOL.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Of course Putin cannot shake hands with a murderer. But if there's a chance to bring peace to the region it must be used I think. Why not to attract Ramzan Kadirov and his people? Both are former partizans and both are business men. Besides if the Snake misbehaves Ramzan may quite implement a more desisive solution of the issue to divide the province the way he likes it.

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Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

Watch the Serbs pee their panties prematurely from excitement. There isn't anything new that Thaci hasn't said before - Kosova is no enemy of anyone and he has invited Russia to recognize Kosova multiple times in the past. Nor is there anything wrong with a country's diplomacy reaching out even to those that are hostile, to smooth out foreign relationships; that's what diplomacy is for.

What do you have to say then, about Serbia's relationship to the US after it was bombed for 78 days.

But if you were hoping that Kosova would somehow orient itself towards Moscow instead of EU or US, you will be sorely disappointed.

What's up with the title of this 'article'? Clinton has not been a president for 15 years now; did you forget that Bush was twice president (and recognized Kosova as independent) and so was Obama?

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Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

Thaci is panicking. He interfered in the American democratic process by instructing Albanian-Americans to vote Hillary. But he bet on the wrong horse. Now you think Putin will bail you out?

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J

pre 7 godina

In true Albanian form, Thaci is now sucking up to Putin. Just as Thaci's Albanian ancestors assimilated with every occupier that ruled the Albanian people, ie, the Venetians, Ottomans and Serbs, Thaci is ready to roll over for the Russians. What happened to all of that talk about Albanians being such proud and steadfast people? I'm afraid historical facts paint a very different picture. Assume the position Hasim!
(njegos, 3 January 2017 18:48)

It's the fact that we haven't assimilated that drives you into the hysteria of the post above. If we assimilated with every occupier we'd be Serbs, or Greeks, or Italians. Instead we are Albanians. Even when you killed our children we did not become Serbs. Even when we had no allied after WWII and up to the 1990's and Serbia was supported by all we did not become Serbs. It's not going to happen now matter how much you b!Tch and moan.

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Danny

pre 7 godina

Understand that the end has come for the Albanians, Bosnians, Croatians, Macedonians even the Serbs if they go into the EU. Trump is in power Putin in Power and others. The world is turning around real fast.

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NWO

pre 7 godina

Russia and china are the world leaders......now Albanians want closer ties to Russia lol.....American propganda and their isis-old aging nato friends are long gone....they were never strong to the big boys.....now they woke up the bear and dragon......EU is done in 2018 it started with UK next is Italy then France....the new world is here.......peace on earth and jobs and economy in the world is here and is going to start this year/////Serbia does not need old grandpa nato or EU both are dead......Russia and china and the new world nations who you want to be close too...let the Albanians ,croats and the other puny old aging nations stay with America lol even America is a puppet...lol and always was.....as you could see everyone is arming Serbia almost free and opening more and more businesses in Serbia......new world is here enjoy the show.....Serbia is going to be the leader in the Balkans its been stated and will.....so start having more babies for a brighter future .....its starting.....

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Raisin Scone

pre 7 godina

This is actually very smart of him. His criminal buddies have finally been vanquished. So, he had to start prostrating to the new king.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Like I said, America doesn't care anymore.
(factman, 3 January 2017 06:30)

Of course, you just discovered that now?! lol
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The Snake now sees that.
Foolishly, he chose the wrong horse.
(factman, 3 January 2017 06:30)

Well, he chose the horse that makes possible for Kosovo to be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present. So, it appears he definitively chose the right horse as far as Kosovo is concerned.

As far as Serbia is concerned, sure, you are correct that Serbia chose the wrong horse. If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.

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rote

pre 7 godina

Skenderbeu

Using Kadirov was my private idea but most likely Lavrov will be involved if the offer is accepted. In this case Russia and Turkey may intermediate effectively. But I am afraid that the Whites are tied too much to the West and it may become a problem. In a way besa people are hostages so much will depend on Trump. Kadirov is always used in sensitive issues like killing someone abroad or send peacemakers betweel Hesbollah and Israel or a police batalion to Aleppo or to save hostages ect.

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Jovan

pre 7 godina

It's simply pathetic what our dear albanian friends are presenting here.

You can lie to yourselves all day long but you cannot twist reality.

It is neither smart from Touchy nor in any shape or form having a real chance to trick Russia by licking their boots.

The world is changing indeed, but not in your direction.

I think you Albanians should not fool yourselves...the current changes in international affairs will affect you - and you will have to realize that you will have to ditch your dreams...

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factman

pre 7 godina

Like I said, America doesn't care anymore.

The Snake now sees that.

Foolishly, he chose the wrong horse.

Downhill for him from now on.

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Matej

pre 7 godina

"In history, Kosovo has never harmed Russia"

Kosovo hasnt but you YOU have!!
YOU Albanians killed Russian ambassador! http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/print60666.htm
Congratulations it's what only you and ISIL in history who killed Russian ambassadors??

You Albanians think Ruskies forget? I'm Serbian. I love them they love us blah blah but even I would NEVER play games with Russians . Russians play chess and remember like freakin elephants. You get away with no BS. So shut up Hasim it's useless. Sit down.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

In true Albanian form, Thaci is now sucking up to Putin. Just as Thaci's Albanian ancestors assimilated with every occupier that ruled the Albanian people, ie, the Venetians, Ottomans and Serbs, Thaci is ready to roll over for the Russians. What happened to all of that talk about Albanians being such proud and steadfast people? I'm afraid historical facts paint a very different picture. Assume the position Hasim!

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J

pre 7 godina

Many Albanians did become Serbs. I personally know many with last names ending in 'ic.' Many more converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. Prior to that Albanians were either Orthodox or Catholic. But rather than stand by their beliefs, Albanians converted to the occupier's religion as the easy way out. I know you're an atheist, but what were your ancestors j? Orthodox, Catholic or Muslim? Did they take the easy way out?

-- njegos, being religious is the easy way out. A religious person looks for easy answers. They don't challange the dogmatic beliefs of the religion, otherwise eternal damnation awaits them. If it was for religious people we would still have the god of rain, god of wine, god of thunder and the other thousand gods. We don't because people challange these beliefs. They were not OK with the easy answers provided by the gods. They thought chritically and solved their ignorance through science. Now tell me what gods did your ancestors believe in before you became Orthodox and where's the courage in exchanging one set of gods for one God? Still looking for easy answers.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Actually your first sentence above answers your question already that they were thinkers who made decisions independent from religious dogma. Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it.

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justhetruth

pre 7 godina

In history Kosovo never harmned Russia...that's funny...There never was a Kosovo in history...That Thaci is a moron!
(Mihai, 2 January 2017 12:06)
Get your fact's right
http://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/139509/

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William UK

pre 7 godina

How short the memory of some people are.

Kosovo imposes sanctions, Russians amused
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=09&dd=18&nav_id=91656

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 7 godina

Somehow tricky of the snake to try to sneak closer to Russia through Putin's new Buddy, caliph Erdogan of Turkey/Osman empire.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

@j: I didn't ask for a narrative on religion - that is neither the subject at hand, nor is this the site for such a discussion. I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life. Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

why is he crawling on his belly to Russia like the reptile he is?
lol
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:33)

What's wrong with that? Ivica does that almost every other day!

In addition, the CE of B92 forums sj has ruled that Russia is the master of the universe. Don't you agree? lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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icj1

pre 7 godina

If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 02:18)

KiM, from 1999 to present is anything but independent (ref: UNSCR 1244) and may be classified more precisely as a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 06:14)

Of course, while KIM declared independence from Serbia in accordance with UNSCR 1244, it is still dependent from UNMIK, which is the authority in control of KIM. Thanks for reminding the members of these forums about that since UNSCR 1244 is still in force and it will be so for the foreseeable future.

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21)

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21)

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol

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J

pre 7 godina

J - You said, "There's no diatribe." Then you launched into another one of your atheistic diatribes again.

You go on to say, "Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language."

Defend your ethnicity? ...If you were defending anything you would have resisted, not caved in and assimilated. That is precisely why there is no evidence of an Albanian culture to speak of even though you guys claim to be the indigenous people of the Balkans. You assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path and now you try to claim that Serbian monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Comical!

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel good J, but the fact is that your countrymen chose to take the easy way out whenever times got tough. This lack of character has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Albanians have occupied the lowest rung of every society they've been a part of. So much to be proud of. No run along an answer my questions.
(njegos, 5 January 2017 23:58)

Njegos, Albanian Popes. Not such a low rank. We are in Kosova as Albanians. We didn't need to take the easy way out and become Serbs or even Orthodox. We are Albanians in Kosova; not assimilated Serbs in Kosova. Lands where Albanians live are filled with Pre-Slavic archaeological sites. Albanian is a pre- Slavic language littered with ancient Greek and Illyrian words. You do the math. You have no arguments. I'm proud to be an atheist, you're not hurting me by calling me out.

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J

pre 7 godina

But you did. And you became Catholics and you became Muslims when the going got rough.

-- Yet we didn't become Serbs. Even when you killed our kids. We stayed Albanians in Kosova. Keep on with the hysteria, we are still Albanians in Kosova.

Tell me J, what percentage of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim? According to you they're foolish for subscribing to a religion and believing in Allah? Right J? In your world people who don't believe what you believe are sheep following the herd, right? Well, I guess that includes the vast majority of your countrymen from your beloved Kosovo.

-- Nationality and ethnicity first. We change religions like underwear if that means the survival of our nation. Our ethnicity our language is the crux of our survival. That's why priests and imams are a dime a dozen.No religion holds a monopoly over our nation. If one becomes a problem, we change it.

There is no evidence of Albanians being Illyrians. Romans were there too. Does that make Albanians Romans too? It's hard to justify anything you say about an Albanian culture when you can't point to anything tangible. You can only postulate. You're grasping at straws. Keep trying. Too funny!

Our language is the monument that has saved every trace of time from pre Slav Greek, Roman and Illyrian words. Our language places us in the region before the Slavs. The ruins are where we live and they're not Roman nor Greek. Pelion, come visit it, and do the math.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Was Mother Theresa an idiot that was brainwashed? Please answer.
(njegos, 8 January 2017 16:37)

As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion.

Any other questions you have, mate?! I'm happy to help as always...

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion ...in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

And then icj said: "As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion."

The master of obfuscation, deflection and deception is at it again. Back-peddling as usual. Caught contradicting himself/herself as is his/her pattern.

icj, the supreme Serb-hater is caught again speaking out of both sides of his/her mouth, or should I say keyboard. Too funny! Keep digging yourself deeper. After continually embarrassing yourself, I'm surprised you keep coming back. LMAOAY!!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

"Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it"
(icj1, 4 January 2017 20:47)

"As far as I'm aware Mother Theresa subscribed to a religion, like billions of people worldwide do. She certainly is not an idiot for subscribing to a religion"
(icj1, 9 January 2017 14:35)

The master of obfuscation, deflection and deception is at it again. Back-peddling as usual. Caught contradicting himself/herself as is his/her pattern.
(njegos, 9 January 2017 15:53)

If your enthusiastic rush you just forgot a small detail: i.e. to explain where is the contradiction lol

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From j: " If we assimilated with every occupier we'd be Serbs, or Greeks, or Italians. Instead we are Albanians."

Many Albanians did become Serbs. I personally know many with last names ending in 'ic.' Many more converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. Prior to that Albanians were either Orthodox or Catholic. But rather than stand by their beliefs, Albanians converted to the occupier's religion as the easy way out. I know you're an atheist, but what were your ancestors j? Orthodox, Catholic or Muslim? Did they take the easy way out?

This is precisely why there is no evidence of Albanian history to speak of because you assimilated to everyone else's culture. Now Albanians are trying to claim that Serb monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Absurd! And the claim that Albanians are descendants of the ancient Illyrians is not supported by any legitimate historian.

Assimilation = conversion = no history! Bye

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Comm.Parrisson

pre 7 godina

"But if you were hoping that Kosova would somehow orient itself towards Moscow instead of EU or US, you will be sorely disappointed. "
(Therret Prizreni, 3 January 2017 20:48)

Looks like 'Kosova' is orienting itself towards Turkey instead, not so different to Muslim Bosnia. If it's a smart move future will tell, I don't think so.

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J

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Then you used the wrong example. But I'll entertain the idea because if you looked into it using critical thinking you'd have seen yourself why your example was not the right one. You could have for example come up with statistics showing how many Albanians speak Serbian at home as their primary way of communication. Then we could talk about assimilation.
Now back to religion. The vast majority of Albanians view themselves as Albanians first. That is to say religion does not define our identity, ethnicity, nationality. It has been these way since our first principalities when people converted from paganism to monotheistic religions. Mainly because those who have lived in those lands have viewed religions as institutions of those who tried to conquer our lands. Religions were the means of control that foreigners used against us. It is why they're secondary or tertiary to our ethnicity, to our religion. It's why mosques and churches are empty. It's why there's all kinds of religions where we live. It's why ppl didn't care when it was declared illegal.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

j - Please spare me your atheistic diatribe and just answer the question I asked of you. You and your little friend icj are very adept at dodging questions. What does that say for your arguments? If you're such an independent and critical thinker like you espouse to be, you would answer the questions directed toward you. I won't hold my breath though. Maybe you and icj could pool your brain cells and answer the questions I've asked of the two of you. What da ya think?

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06)

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icj1, the CB of B92, once again demonstrates his/ her delusions: Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

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J

pre 7 godina

j - Please spare me your atheistic diatribe and just answer the question I asked of you. You and your little friend icj are very adept at dodging questions. What does that say for your arguments? If you're such an independent and critical thinker like you espouse to be, you would answer the questions directed toward you. I won't hold my breath though. Maybe you and icj could pool your brain cells and answer the questions I've asked of the two of you. What da ya think?
(njegos, 5 January 2017 15:17)
There's no diatribe. We Albanians can be just Albanians without religion defining our national identity and ethnicity. It's always been that way. If maintaining my ethnicity, and my national identity requires that I as an atheist sign some paperwork that declares me Jewish or Budhist or Orthodox for example, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Because the most important thing is being Albanian and preserving that by all means possible.I know my beliefs no matter what paperwork says. Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language. Serbs on the other hand seems they can't be Serbs if they're not Orthodox. That is a weak notion of ethnicity. Tying yourself to a religion to survive as a nation, as an ethnicity.Your national identity paradigm is weak as it requires the church to survive. Ours is not and requires no specific religion or any religion at all. That's why even small in numbers we've survived conquerors mostly on our own. Albanian first; the rest are secondary.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

As for KIM being fenced-in from Serbia, that's obviously correct, as well, since that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244.
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06)

Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce. 
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21) 

Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol
(icj1, 6 January 2017 01:10)

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Dude: we the collective readership congratulate you icj1, the CB of B92, for convincingly, and repeatedly, showcasing your delusions.

PS CB = Chief Bigot




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icj1

pre 7 godina

Dude: we the collective readership
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 6 January 2017 13:11)

I think you accidentally wrote your name as "Amnesty Yugoslavia" instead of "the collective readership" as your post states that your name is. You might want to fix it lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.
True religion creates true independent thinking.
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:57)

The only definition I could find about "true religion" was a jeans brand. Is that what you're talking about, dear?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

I merely used religion as an example of how your ancestors throughout history chose to assimilate for an easier life.

Now answer my question: were your ancestors Orthodox or Catholic who converted to Muslim? Or were they brave and independent thinkers like you who subscribed to atheism and challenged the status quo? Please answer.
(njegos, 4 January 2017 18:05)

Actually your first sentence above answers your question already that they were thinkers who made decisions independent from religious dogma. Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 20:47)

So now you're calling all Albanian Muslims idiots because they subscribe to a religion?
(njegos, 4 January 2017 23:22)

You are calling somebody an idiot because they SUBSCRIBE to a religion, not me. I called somebody an idiot for being BRAINWASHED by a religion, not for SUBSCRIBING to a religion.

Dear, your have such a predictable hater mentality. I knew that you'd write something like that and carefully chose the word "brainwashed". As predicted, in your hater mentality, you interpreted that to mean that people who subscribe to a religion are idiots!!!

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

that is precisely what KIM wanted to achieve when it declared independence from Serbia, in accordance with UNSCR 1244. 
(icj1, 5 January 2017 15:06) 



Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce. 
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 5 January 2017 16:21) 
Congratulations for convincing yourself that "Nowhere does UNSCR 1244 refer to KiM independencce" since nobody on this page wrote anything to the contrary lol 

(icj1, 6 January 2017 01:10) 



I think you accidentally wrote your name as "Amnesty Yugoslavia" instead of "the collective readership" as your post states that your name is. You might want to fix it lol

(Icj1, 8 January 2017 02:04)

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icj1, the CB of B92, has long ago lost the capacity to "think". icj1's contradictions, idiotic posts, intolerance and bigotry are posted to the collective readership. If icj1 wants to restrict his/ her intolerance, hatred and idiotic posts to specific individuals, then icj1 should stop posting to the collective readership.

PS CB = Chief Bigot



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J

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.
True religion creates true independent thinking.
(factman, 5 January 2017 02:57)

In science the heretics are celebrated. Copernicus is an example. Celebrated for his critical thinking, and his heresy against the scientific ignorance of that time. How are the heretics treated by religion for their critical thinking? Giordano Bruno comes to mind-burned to death.

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J

pre 7 godina

J - Still no answers to my questions? Why? Perhaps you can't support your weak arguments. I would have thought a self-proclaimed critical thinker like yourself would be able to defend their positions a little better than you have. Guess I was wrong.

-- The fact that we are Albanians in Kosova today is the argument of non-assimilation. Otherwise we'd be Serbs. If you can't comprehend such a simple thing then there's no hope.

What's your opinion on Mother Theresa? She's arguably the most famous Albanian world-wide. Do you consider her one of the weak ones because she is a woman of religion? Is she a follower with a 'herd mentality?' I mention her because she is the one Albanian that I can think of that is renowned globally for her humanitarian work. I can't think of anyone who would have anything bad to say about her....except maybe you and your atheist friend icj. Don't worry, just like icj, you've run away from my questions in the past, so I'm sure you'll run away again. Taking the easy way out...an Albanian trait. It's in your blood.

-- njegos, Good for humanitarian work. Don't like the religious side. Famous or not famous doesn't mean anything. She too believed in an imaginary friend in the sky. But even with religion, doesn't mean people can't do any good. Doesn't mean they can't do any bad either. Point is, critical thinking stops when speaking against idea punishes you to eternal damnation. Religion does this. Science doesn't.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

So now you're calling all Albanian Muslims idiots because they subscribe to a religion? And I guess you must also feel the same way about the fanatical Croats who tried to make their beloved Croatia an exclusively catholic state by forcibly converting tens of thousands of Serbs during WWII.

Just because someone doesn't believe the way you do icj doesn't make them an idiot. Where does all of your hate come from? Next time you call someone a name, look in the mirror first.

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factman

pre 7 godina

j,

Spoken like the Communist children you all are.

Being truly religious is actually the hard way.

The road is narrow and steep

There is no distinction between science and religion.

The end game of science is belief in God.

Science can prove everything but it sputters out when the concept of INTENTION is introduced.

My ancestors believed in pagan gods and were probably tricked into believing in a Christian God, but numerous generations stayed on the path -- even when it was easier to leave it.

Its not too late for you to get on that path too. Its never too late.

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factman

pre 7 godina

True religion has nothing to do with dogma. It is anti-dogmatic.

True religion creates true independent thinking.

Independent thinkers of the world (like many of those below) are not truly independent in their thinking. Instead they are captive to sentiments that True Religion would liberate them from.

And until you walk the winding and steep road, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

If Serbia had become a NATO member in the 1990s, Kosovo would not be independent from Serbia from 1999 to present.
(icj1, 4 January 2017 02:18)

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KiM, from 1999 to present is anything but independent (ref: UNSCR 1244) and may be classified more precisely as a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - You said, "There's no diatribe." Then you launched into another one of your atheistic diatribes again.

You go on to say, "Hence changing religions to defend our ethnicity, our language."

Defend your ethnicity? Are you and icj the same person? I thought he/she was the master of obfuscation, deflection and deception but you give him/her a run for their money. If you were defending anything you would have resisted, not caved in and assimilated. That is precisely why there is no evidence of an Albanian culture to speak of even though you guys claim to be the indigenous people of the Balkans. You assimilated to every occupier that crossed your path and now you try to claim that Serbian monasteries built centuries ago are Albanian. Comical!

You can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel good J, but the fact is that your countrymen chose to take the easy way out whenever times got tough. This lack of character has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Albanians have occupied the lowest rung of every society they've been a part of. So much to be proud of. No run along an answer my questions.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - Yet another diatribe and guess what? No answer to my question...again. You're sinking fast.

From J: "We didn't need to take the easy way out and become Serbs or even Orthodox."

But you did. And you became Catholics and you became Muslims when the going got rough. Tell me J, what percentage of Kosovo Albanians are Muslim? According to you they're foolish for subscribing to a religion and believing in Allah? Right J? In your world people who don't believe what you believe are sheep following the herd, right? Well, I guess that includes the vast majority of your countrymen from your beloved Kosovo.

More from J: "Lands where Albanians live are filled with Pre-Slavic archaeological sites. Albanian is a pre- Slavic language littered with ancient Greek and Illyrian words."

There is no evidence of Albanians being Illyrians. Romans were there too. Does that make Albanians Romans too? It's hard to justify anything you say about an Albanian culture when you can't point to anything tangible. You can only postulate. You're grasping at straws. Keep trying. Too funny!

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Alby Rydes & Breanne Benson

pre 7 godina

In the article, Thaci has said "In history, Kosovo has never harmed Russia. Therefore, Kosovo does not deserve this unfair attitude and punishment,"

??? In 2014, Thaci did as he was told by his American masters & imposed sanctions on Russia............... there won't be much change in Kosovo because America gets every single cent from the coal mines production & is making a lot of money.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

J - Still no answers to my questions? Why? Perhaps you can't support your weak arguments. I would have thought a self-proclaimed critical thinker like yourself would be able to defend their positions a little better than you have. Guess I was wrong.

What's your opinion on Mother Theresa? She's arguably the most famous Albanian world-wide. Do you consider her one of the weak ones because she is a woman of religion? Is she a follower with a 'herd mentality?' I mention her because she is the one Albanian that I can think of that is renowned globally for her humanitarian work. I can't think of anyone who would have anything bad to say about her....except maybe you and your atheist friend icj. Don't worry, just like icj, you've run away from my questions in the past, so I'm sure you'll run away again. Taking the easy way out...an Albanian trait. It's in your blood.

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njegos

pre 7 godina

From icj: "Only an idiot brainwashed by religion would pay in money or nature in order to be able to worship something that the religion claims lives in the sky but nobody has ever seen it."

Was Mother Theresa an idiot that was brainwashed? Please answer.

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