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Thursday, 22.12.2016.

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Ukraine's ambassador asks Serbia: Why are you doing this?

Ukraine's Ambassador in Belgrade Oleksandr Aleksandrovych says <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2016&mm=12&dd=20&nav_id=100013" class="text-link" target= "_blank">Serbia's vote</a> against a UN resolution on Crimea "could return like a boomerang."

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Comm. Parriossn

pre 7 godina

He added that he was "certain" that Serbia has changed its position of neutrality and restraint during the voting in the UN "because of pressure from Russia."

Oh, can it be like that? Serbia is sitting between the chairs: They must lick Putin's boot because otherwise Russia could stop vetoing an UN membership of Kosovo, on the other hand, they know well that it's schizophrenic to silently accept the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia (against Ukrainian constitution and laws) while fighting against the 'independent Kosovo' (which is against Serbian constitution and laws).

sj

pre 7 godina

Let me start with Croatia first. If Croatia has 600 per month it would not have lost about 50,000 well educated people this year because there are no jobs in that country. If the Greeks had 600 per month there would not be rioting regularly nor would the Greek Government be cutting pensions and anything they could get their hands on.
As far as laws are concerned, Serbia, as part of its EU entry obligations, has passed a library full of laws but who actually abides by them? In Romania the Government can declare that the monthly wage is 1000 but when people look for work and the employer tells them he can only pay 200, what happens? People walk away refusing a job? No they don’t. The Government ignores that this is going on, but on paper you have 330.
If governments publish unemployment figures and they are BS, why do you think that these same governments would not BS about monthly salaries?

Alex2016

pre 7 godina

Dear Ukrainian ambassador, just a kind reminder: Kosovo implemented "unilateral secession", which is against national and international laws, Crimea have seen an entirely legal referendum. As a diplomat you should be aware of the difference between unilateral secession and referendum. Also, what is questionable is how your country opposition party couped a ruling government that had democratically and legally won elections. If the opposition, now ruling party, would have any respect of law and democracy, they would have waited for next elections and improve their elections campaign...please re-evaluate Your "colleagues" and "sponsors" behaviour before judging the position of Serbia. Regards

rote

pre 7 godina

Ari Gold : Russia calculated that it didn't need to intervene in the 1990s ...

Russia was a destroyed empire and Chicago boys settled in the government and Kremlin. Their agents of influence de facto ruled this country. People like Djindic and Djukanovic were free to undermine us from inside and boycot every attempt to help you. Besides it was inpossible to realize the plans as all your neighbors refused to give us a corridor. It was the period when we could not find troops to fight in Chechnia. Yet we never traded our relations like you do. We've spoiled relations with the USA because of you but we weren't prostitutes. Everything we do today in Montenegro is aimed to remove Djukanovic and we will succeed this time with Turkey's aid. It will give us a corridor to the trapped Serbia. If in the sieged Moscow of 1941 someone would say anything against our allies in the West he would be shot down right in the street. But you permanently trade yourself - here we are interested and there we have a better offer. It harms more Serbia than Russia and it explains why our relations are still at a such low level. Because before late 2016 your government also behaved like a prostitute. We must clean ourselves from people like you and be open inside. Then nothing and nobody will cope with us from oputside. We need unconditional love like that of Dragoljub Djurkovic to help you in a wide scale. Otherwise we can only be partners the way you like it ...

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

If we are brothers both sides must behave appropriately without a calculators in our hands. But if we are just partners then you mustn't be dissapointed when Russia say that we have a better offer. Have you ever seen us trying to develop realations with any of your enemy ?
(rote, 22 December 2016 21:10)

Russia calculated that it didn't need to intervene in the 1990s. Russia calculated that it needed to withdraw from Kosovo-Metohija in 2001. Russia calculated that supporting the referendum in Montenegro will grant them a permanent ally in Djukanovic (a miscalculation that was). So the Russian government calculates.

The Russian people are brothers and sisters. The government, which I admire a lot, is just another government. They have interests and most of the times they act in Serbia's interests. Sometimes, as I have outlined, they do not. Serbia should not spoil relations with anyone based on problems Russia may have with other countries.

rote

pre 7 godina

Ari Gold : Well, I am no enemy of Russia's.

It is only what you think what you are. During WW2 captured Germans were sent to Siberia while Russian panicers were shot down there and then. Because they threatened the state while the captured Germans were already harmess. So to my mind no matter what you think or feel you are an enemy of the Serbs. If we are brothers both sides must behave appropriately without a calculators in our hands. But if we are just partners then you mustn't be dissapointed when Russia say that we have a better offer. Have you ever seen us trying to develop realations with any of your enemy ? Or do you know that we've spoiled our relations with the USA over Serbia 25 years ago? That's why prostitution was the softest word that I could use for you. When Russians went to die in Yugoslavia in two WW and then in the 90s they were moved by other logics. So were Serbs and Montenegrins in the Tsarist army. Your American mentallity does not work with the Russians. Serbs are a piece of the Russian mentallity, Russian spirit, Russian despise to death. From this point you are neither a Serb nor a Montenegrin. You are a Jewish trader with a Casio heart while to win their enemies Serbs need to clean off people like you. Anyone doubting Russia is a mortal enemy of the Serbs. Think about it and stop your permanent speculations of what is profitable and what is not. It's a war but not a Turkish bazar !

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Bahri What about being smarter than Ukrainians and send his highness Thaci and Hoxhaj to directly deal with Russians? Listen to my word Bahri, Avni and all you brothers from Kosovo, listen to my word: you know how racist this Ari Gold and Serbs are. Vucic has recognized it and they all feel superior to my brothers in Kosovo. They all cried when Putin allowed Majlinda to raise your flag in Moscow. It was their racism that caused the war. How many times Kosovar leaders have warned them in the past about their policies of discrimination against Albanians? I remember Adem Demaci speaking out about that in Belgrade but these racists never listened to Albanians because for them Albanians have the tail! All the massacres in Kosovo happened because of that mentality and Putin knows it. You don't need allies like Ukraine who can barely drag its panties on, you need to have a dialogue with Russians while always being grateful to Americans and time will solve everything. All you need is an aggressive diplomacy campaign but try to focus on those who really matter (US and Russia) not on any stupid island in the Pacific that can recognize Kosovo. Time will show if Skenderbeu is right on this.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

To be correct there's only one Russian here and he calls you a prostitute while whore is a low rate prostitute. And I always give you my POOR COMMENT without reading. You are more dangerous for the Serbs than Lenard, Dwight and Rocky.
(rote, 22 December 2016 14:53)

Well, I am no enemy of Russia's. In the United States, I work extra hard to push back against Russian demonization and one of the reasons I voted for Trump is his commitment to better relations with Russia. Putin is the world leader that I admire the most (until I see what happens with Trump) and I am staunchly against Serbia joining NATO or putting sanctions on Russia.

But will I put Russia over Serbia? Never. Just like Russia didn't put Serbia over its interests when it didn't help in the 90s (as a state, there were volunteers), pulled out peace keepers from Kosovo-Metohija in 2001 and supported the tyrant Djukanovic in my country Montenegro when he was breaking us apart from Serbia while he was working in Russia's favor. You are Serbia's friend, but Serbia can't be anyone's puppet. Including Russia's. And it's not in Serbia's interest to recognize Crimea, even if the war in Ukraine was clearly instigated by the West and Sorosista's.

Bahri

pre 7 godina

I am glad Serbia voted against Ukraine. Ukraine government is so stupid to realize Serbia government is two faces and vill put Ukraine under the bus any time when it comes to Russia. Now Ukraine what is going to do recognize Kosovo or not ether way Ukraine is making bad decisions for not recognizing Kosovo and will regret it on the future for not doing.

rote

pre 7 godina

Dear Rote At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda ...

(adrian_bucharest, 22 December 2016 11:55)

I laughed quite long and loud when after you disclosed my origin. Just because you must be the last Mahican who had not known it. By the way Mahican (МОГИ KАН = MIGHTY KHAN) is a Russian word so the comparison musn't be insulting for you. Because 57% of your genomes are pure Russian against 75% of the Moldovans who want to join their mother Russia instead their cousin Romania. By the way you've ignored my question why Romanian word "românã" means "Russian" ? As for the salaries please don't worry about the Russians as in war time we need only vodka and Kalashnikov and it is war time now. Besides the average salaries here are about 360 euro today while the prices are much lower than anywhere else. I buy pork for 5 and stakes for 7 euro per kilo, Toyota Camry costs 19 000 euro, 1 kilo of bread is 0,3 euro, BigMac - 2 euro ect. As for the US nukes they made you helpless targets for the Russian missiles. Putin said today in MoD that "we are stronger than any potential agressor". Write it on your Russian ("românã") nose! Finally my full name here is also Russian - rote kapelle. Read something about it.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Sj figures about minimum salary are official , are laws , as for unemployment that is the real bs , all in all we had before may 2016 230 euro then 280 and from 1 january 330 euro payed 13 times => 360 euro per month , soon will apear in wikipedia statistic , is even not a lot considering Croatia have 400 and Greece with all crisis 600 , even Serbia have 230 but with big taxes ( here they cut it ) real minimum salary in Serbia is 180 euro per month

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

I too think that Serbia should have abstained instead of voting against Ukraine. It is obvious that Russia is one of Serbia's closest allies, but Ukraine is no enemy either. As long as Ukraine doesn't recognize fake state of 'kosovo*' then Serbia has no reason to spoil relations with this country. Obviously the spat between Russia and Ukraine is bad, but Serbia needs to look out for its own interests. Regardless, Serbia needs to uphold the principle of territorial integrity and not recognize Crimea's annexation, despite the fact that its obvious that Crimea is now Russian.

The Russians on B92 don't like me. They call me a "whore" because I only care about Serbia's interests and don't want Serbia to be a puppet of anybody's. I highly value Russia, but Serbia needs to do whats best for Serbia, just like Russia did when it supported Montenegro's dictator Djukanovic when he broke the state-union with Serbia before he ended up betraying them.

rote

pre 7 godina

The Russians on B92 don't like me. They call me a "whore" because I only care about Serbia's interests and don't want Serbia to be a puppet of anybody's.

(Ari Gold, 22 December 2016 14:02)


To be correct there's only one Russian here and he calls you a prostitute while whore is a low rate prostitute. And I always give you my POOR COMMENT without reading. You are more dangerous for the Serbs than Lenard, Dwight and Rocky.

sj

pre 7 godina

At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda , i had read from a long time with big attention , you are Russian , why don`t you tell to us that in Russia minimum salary is 100 euro while in Romania is 360 euro from 1 january ( 330 euro with 13 salary ) that is over triple

As for Nukes if you ever dare to do someting the Nato will help us

Why are you doing propaganda here ?
(adrian_bucharest, 22 December 2016 11:55)

When were you last in Romania because what you describe I did not see there. That 360 Euros salary is a government funded myth much like the level of unemployment in the US which has now "dropped" to 4.9% which is pure BS.
Last year I spent time in Romania and Bulgaria and from what I saw they were worse than Serbia, but at least Serbia has an excuse as its been through some of the worst sanctions in history and its economy was destroyed.

Do you really think someone will start WW3 which would wipe out life on earth just for Romania? Think about this one hard.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

ROTE -> Albania have nothing to do with the Slavs

Albania are old brothers of Romania

Look at the 190 Dacian words from Romanian language they are as the Albanian ones . Dacians and Thracians were same people someting like are the slavs .

Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

With all do respect Mr Ukrainian ambassador, I can't vouch for crimea, however I can easily for Kosovo! Kosovo then, and The now
Republic Of Kosovo of today has always been Albanian with a 97% majority Albanian population, the oxygen fuels Albanian, the lushness of the flowers and green forests sing Albanian, the very dirt smells Albanian!!!
No Mr ambassador Kosovo was never & will never ever be Serbian, this I promise! In fact, we Albanians still lay claim to more Albanian lands that Serbia continues to illegally occupied!
Radical Serbia knows very well that Kosovo has always been Albanian land, she knows very well that Kosova has in fact been an Albanian dagger thrusted into the Serbian heart and has had a fatal result!!! Kosova continues to breed Albanian life and will do so for more Millenia's! And don't forget it's not only the 1.9 million of us Albanians here in The Republic Of Kosova it is th 17 million of us Albanians worldwide that watch with a keen eye!!! We are the rightful inheritors of what is ours and will lay claim to every square millimeter of it, this I also promise!!! Time has and will always be our strongest ally!

sj

pre 7 godina

The west and their lackeys are always so predictable. When it suits them they all roll out international law, but when it’s to their advantage, like the time when the US bankrolled the coup in Ukraine against a duly elected government, then they wipe their feet with pages from that same law book.
Serbia vote only shows how times are changing and we no longer have a single world power and such a vote will have absolutely have no effects on Kosovo at all. If anyone doubts that the world has changed read up on who is meeting to solve the war in Syria and yes ladies and gents the US is not in that group.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Dear Rote

At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda , i had read from a long time with big attention , you are Russian , why don`t you tell to us that in Russia minimum salary is 100 euro while in Romania is 360 euro from 1 january ( 330 euro with 13 salary ) that is over triple

As for Nukes if you ever dare to do someting the Nato will help us

Why are you doing propaganda here ?

rote

pre 7 godina

* Ukraine was the only state that did not condemn murder of the Russian ambassador. Moreover some in the parliament offered to grant the killer with HERO OF UKRAINE title.

* It's been 5 days that Ukraine launched a small war in Donbass sending their troops to their own minefields. Right now about 200 servicemen are surrounded near Debaltsevo and at least 100 were killed or wounded.

* This week they privatized the biggest and the only prospering PRIVAT BANK where half of Ukraine keep their money.

* Every day they do crazy things to attract attention because they fear Trump as their hangman. So don't them serious - it's just a agony. But this winter you may have gas transit problems.

Savages

pre 7 godina

Yeah, probably not the best move by Serbia. Ukraine has always supported that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and Serbias territorial integrity. Abstaining from the vote would have been a better option.

Savages

pre 7 godina

Yeah, probably not the best move by Serbia. Ukraine has always supported that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and Serbias territorial integrity. Abstaining from the vote would have been a better option.

Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

With all do respect Mr Ukrainian ambassador, I can't vouch for crimea, however I can easily for Kosovo! Kosovo then, and The now
Republic Of Kosovo of today has always been Albanian with a 97% majority Albanian population, the oxygen fuels Albanian, the lushness of the flowers and green forests sing Albanian, the very dirt smells Albanian!!!
No Mr ambassador Kosovo was never & will never ever be Serbian, this I promise! In fact, we Albanians still lay claim to more Albanian lands that Serbia continues to illegally occupied!
Radical Serbia knows very well that Kosovo has always been Albanian land, she knows very well that Kosova has in fact been an Albanian dagger thrusted into the Serbian heart and has had a fatal result!!! Kosova continues to breed Albanian life and will do so for more Millenia's! And don't forget it's not only the 1.9 million of us Albanians here in The Republic Of Kosova it is th 17 million of us Albanians worldwide that watch with a keen eye!!! We are the rightful inheritors of what is ours and will lay claim to every square millimeter of it, this I also promise!!! Time has and will always be our strongest ally!

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

To be correct there's only one Russian here and he calls you a prostitute while whore is a low rate prostitute. And I always give you my POOR COMMENT without reading. You are more dangerous for the Serbs than Lenard, Dwight and Rocky.
(rote, 22 December 2016 14:53)

Well, I am no enemy of Russia's. In the United States, I work extra hard to push back against Russian demonization and one of the reasons I voted for Trump is his commitment to better relations with Russia. Putin is the world leader that I admire the most (until I see what happens with Trump) and I am staunchly against Serbia joining NATO or putting sanctions on Russia.

But will I put Russia over Serbia? Never. Just like Russia didn't put Serbia over its interests when it didn't help in the 90s (as a state, there were volunteers), pulled out peace keepers from Kosovo-Metohija in 2001 and supported the tyrant Djukanovic in my country Montenegro when he was breaking us apart from Serbia while he was working in Russia's favor. You are Serbia's friend, but Serbia can't be anyone's puppet. Including Russia's. And it's not in Serbia's interest to recognize Crimea, even if the war in Ukraine was clearly instigated by the West and Sorosista's.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Dear Rote

At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda , i had read from a long time with big attention , you are Russian , why don`t you tell to us that in Russia minimum salary is 100 euro while in Romania is 360 euro from 1 january ( 330 euro with 13 salary ) that is over triple

As for Nukes if you ever dare to do someting the Nato will help us

Why are you doing propaganda here ?

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

ROTE -> Albania have nothing to do with the Slavs

Albania are old brothers of Romania

Look at the 190 Dacian words from Romanian language they are as the Albanian ones . Dacians and Thracians were same people someting like are the slavs .

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

I too think that Serbia should have abstained instead of voting against Ukraine. It is obvious that Russia is one of Serbia's closest allies, but Ukraine is no enemy either. As long as Ukraine doesn't recognize fake state of 'kosovo*' then Serbia has no reason to spoil relations with this country. Obviously the spat between Russia and Ukraine is bad, but Serbia needs to look out for its own interests. Regardless, Serbia needs to uphold the principle of territorial integrity and not recognize Crimea's annexation, despite the fact that its obvious that Crimea is now Russian.

The Russians on B92 don't like me. They call me a "whore" because I only care about Serbia's interests and don't want Serbia to be a puppet of anybody's. I highly value Russia, but Serbia needs to do whats best for Serbia, just like Russia did when it supported Montenegro's dictator Djukanovic when he broke the state-union with Serbia before he ended up betraying them.

sj

pre 7 godina

At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda , i had read from a long time with big attention , you are Russian , why don`t you tell to us that in Russia minimum salary is 100 euro while in Romania is 360 euro from 1 january ( 330 euro with 13 salary ) that is over triple

As for Nukes if you ever dare to do someting the Nato will help us

Why are you doing propaganda here ?
(adrian_bucharest, 22 December 2016 11:55)

When were you last in Romania because what you describe I did not see there. That 360 Euros salary is a government funded myth much like the level of unemployment in the US which has now "dropped" to 4.9% which is pure BS.
Last year I spent time in Romania and Bulgaria and from what I saw they were worse than Serbia, but at least Serbia has an excuse as its been through some of the worst sanctions in history and its economy was destroyed.

Do you really think someone will start WW3 which would wipe out life on earth just for Romania? Think about this one hard.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Bahri What about being smarter than Ukrainians and send his highness Thaci and Hoxhaj to directly deal with Russians? Listen to my word Bahri, Avni and all you brothers from Kosovo, listen to my word: you know how racist this Ari Gold and Serbs are. Vucic has recognized it and they all feel superior to my brothers in Kosovo. They all cried when Putin allowed Majlinda to raise your flag in Moscow. It was their racism that caused the war. How many times Kosovar leaders have warned them in the past about their policies of discrimination against Albanians? I remember Adem Demaci speaking out about that in Belgrade but these racists never listened to Albanians because for them Albanians have the tail! All the massacres in Kosovo happened because of that mentality and Putin knows it. You don't need allies like Ukraine who can barely drag its panties on, you need to have a dialogue with Russians while always being grateful to Americans and time will solve everything. All you need is an aggressive diplomacy campaign but try to focus on those who really matter (US and Russia) not on any stupid island in the Pacific that can recognize Kosovo. Time will show if Skenderbeu is right on this.

sj

pre 7 godina

The west and their lackeys are always so predictable. When it suits them they all roll out international law, but when it’s to their advantage, like the time when the US bankrolled the coup in Ukraine against a duly elected government, then they wipe their feet with pages from that same law book.
Serbia vote only shows how times are changing and we no longer have a single world power and such a vote will have absolutely have no effects on Kosovo at all. If anyone doubts that the world has changed read up on who is meeting to solve the war in Syria and yes ladies and gents the US is not in that group.

Bahri

pre 7 godina

I am glad Serbia voted against Ukraine. Ukraine government is so stupid to realize Serbia government is two faces and vill put Ukraine under the bus any time when it comes to Russia. Now Ukraine what is going to do recognize Kosovo or not ether way Ukraine is making bad decisions for not recognizing Kosovo and will regret it on the future for not doing.

rote

pre 7 godina

Dear Rote At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda ...

(adrian_bucharest, 22 December 2016 11:55)

I laughed quite long and loud when after you disclosed my origin. Just because you must be the last Mahican who had not known it. By the way Mahican (МОГИ KАН = MIGHTY KHAN) is a Russian word so the comparison musn't be insulting for you. Because 57% of your genomes are pure Russian against 75% of the Moldovans who want to join their mother Russia instead their cousin Romania. By the way you've ignored my question why Romanian word "românã" means "Russian" ? As for the salaries please don't worry about the Russians as in war time we need only vodka and Kalashnikov and it is war time now. Besides the average salaries here are about 360 euro today while the prices are much lower than anywhere else. I buy pork for 5 and stakes for 7 euro per kilo, Toyota Camry costs 19 000 euro, 1 kilo of bread is 0,3 euro, BigMac - 2 euro ect. As for the US nukes they made you helpless targets for the Russian missiles. Putin said today in MoD that "we are stronger than any potential agressor". Write it on your Russian ("românã") nose! Finally my full name here is also Russian - rote kapelle. Read something about it.

rote

pre 7 godina

* Ukraine was the only state that did not condemn murder of the Russian ambassador. Moreover some in the parliament offered to grant the killer with HERO OF UKRAINE title.

* It's been 5 days that Ukraine launched a small war in Donbass sending their troops to their own minefields. Right now about 200 servicemen are surrounded near Debaltsevo and at least 100 were killed or wounded.

* This week they privatized the biggest and the only prospering PRIVAT BANK where half of Ukraine keep their money.

* Every day they do crazy things to attract attention because they fear Trump as their hangman. So don't them serious - it's just a agony. But this winter you may have gas transit problems.

rote

pre 7 godina

The Russians on B92 don't like me. They call me a "whore" because I only care about Serbia's interests and don't want Serbia to be a puppet of anybody's.

(Ari Gold, 22 December 2016 14:02)


To be correct there's only one Russian here and he calls you a prostitute while whore is a low rate prostitute. And I always give you my POOR COMMENT without reading. You are more dangerous for the Serbs than Lenard, Dwight and Rocky.

rote

pre 7 godina

Ari Gold : Russia calculated that it didn't need to intervene in the 1990s ...

Russia was a destroyed empire and Chicago boys settled in the government and Kremlin. Their agents of influence de facto ruled this country. People like Djindic and Djukanovic were free to undermine us from inside and boycot every attempt to help you. Besides it was inpossible to realize the plans as all your neighbors refused to give us a corridor. It was the period when we could not find troops to fight in Chechnia. Yet we never traded our relations like you do. We've spoiled relations with the USA because of you but we weren't prostitutes. Everything we do today in Montenegro is aimed to remove Djukanovic and we will succeed this time with Turkey's aid. It will give us a corridor to the trapped Serbia. If in the sieged Moscow of 1941 someone would say anything against our allies in the West he would be shot down right in the street. But you permanently trade yourself - here we are interested and there we have a better offer. It harms more Serbia than Russia and it explains why our relations are still at a such low level. Because before late 2016 your government also behaved like a prostitute. We must clean ourselves from people like you and be open inside. Then nothing and nobody will cope with us from oputside. We need unconditional love like that of Dragoljub Djurkovic to help you in a wide scale. Otherwise we can only be partners the way you like it ...

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Sj figures about minimum salary are official , are laws , as for unemployment that is the real bs , all in all we had before may 2016 230 euro then 280 and from 1 january 330 euro payed 13 times => 360 euro per month , soon will apear in wikipedia statistic , is even not a lot considering Croatia have 400 and Greece with all crisis 600 , even Serbia have 230 but with big taxes ( here they cut it ) real minimum salary in Serbia is 180 euro per month

rote

pre 7 godina

Ari Gold : Well, I am no enemy of Russia's.

It is only what you think what you are. During WW2 captured Germans were sent to Siberia while Russian panicers were shot down there and then. Because they threatened the state while the captured Germans were already harmess. So to my mind no matter what you think or feel you are an enemy of the Serbs. If we are brothers both sides must behave appropriately without a calculators in our hands. But if we are just partners then you mustn't be dissapointed when Russia say that we have a better offer. Have you ever seen us trying to develop realations with any of your enemy ? Or do you know that we've spoiled our relations with the USA over Serbia 25 years ago? That's why prostitution was the softest word that I could use for you. When Russians went to die in Yugoslavia in two WW and then in the 90s they were moved by other logics. So were Serbs and Montenegrins in the Tsarist army. Your American mentallity does not work with the Russians. Serbs are a piece of the Russian mentallity, Russian spirit, Russian despise to death. From this point you are neither a Serb nor a Montenegrin. You are a Jewish trader with a Casio heart while to win their enemies Serbs need to clean off people like you. Anyone doubting Russia is a mortal enemy of the Serbs. Think about it and stop your permanent speculations of what is profitable and what is not. It's a war but not a Turkish bazar !

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

If we are brothers both sides must behave appropriately without a calculators in our hands. But if we are just partners then you mustn't be dissapointed when Russia say that we have a better offer. Have you ever seen us trying to develop realations with any of your enemy ?
(rote, 22 December 2016 21:10)

Russia calculated that it didn't need to intervene in the 1990s. Russia calculated that it needed to withdraw from Kosovo-Metohija in 2001. Russia calculated that supporting the referendum in Montenegro will grant them a permanent ally in Djukanovic (a miscalculation that was). So the Russian government calculates.

The Russian people are brothers and sisters. The government, which I admire a lot, is just another government. They have interests and most of the times they act in Serbia's interests. Sometimes, as I have outlined, they do not. Serbia should not spoil relations with anyone based on problems Russia may have with other countries.

Alex2016

pre 7 godina

Dear Ukrainian ambassador, just a kind reminder: Kosovo implemented "unilateral secession", which is against national and international laws, Crimea have seen an entirely legal referendum. As a diplomat you should be aware of the difference between unilateral secession and referendum. Also, what is questionable is how your country opposition party couped a ruling government that had democratically and legally won elections. If the opposition, now ruling party, would have any respect of law and democracy, they would have waited for next elections and improve their elections campaign...please re-evaluate Your "colleagues" and "sponsors" behaviour before judging the position of Serbia. Regards

sj

pre 7 godina

Let me start with Croatia first. If Croatia has 600 per month it would not have lost about 50,000 well educated people this year because there are no jobs in that country. If the Greeks had 600 per month there would not be rioting regularly nor would the Greek Government be cutting pensions and anything they could get their hands on.
As far as laws are concerned, Serbia, as part of its EU entry obligations, has passed a library full of laws but who actually abides by them? In Romania the Government can declare that the monthly wage is 1000 but when people look for work and the employer tells them he can only pay 200, what happens? People walk away refusing a job? No they don’t. The Government ignores that this is going on, but on paper you have 330.
If governments publish unemployment figures and they are BS, why do you think that these same governments would not BS about monthly salaries?

Comm. Parriossn

pre 7 godina

He added that he was "certain" that Serbia has changed its position of neutrality and restraint during the voting in the UN "because of pressure from Russia."

Oh, can it be like that? Serbia is sitting between the chairs: They must lick Putin's boot because otherwise Russia could stop vetoing an UN membership of Kosovo, on the other hand, they know well that it's schizophrenic to silently accept the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia (against Ukrainian constitution and laws) while fighting against the 'independent Kosovo' (which is against Serbian constitution and laws).

Peter the Rocky

pre 7 godina

With all do respect Mr Ukrainian ambassador, I can't vouch for crimea, however I can easily for Kosovo! Kosovo then, and The now
Republic Of Kosovo of today has always been Albanian with a 97% majority Albanian population, the oxygen fuels Albanian, the lushness of the flowers and green forests sing Albanian, the very dirt smells Albanian!!!
No Mr ambassador Kosovo was never & will never ever be Serbian, this I promise! In fact, we Albanians still lay claim to more Albanian lands that Serbia continues to illegally occupied!
Radical Serbia knows very well that Kosovo has always been Albanian land, she knows very well that Kosova has in fact been an Albanian dagger thrusted into the Serbian heart and has had a fatal result!!! Kosova continues to breed Albanian life and will do so for more Millenia's! And don't forget it's not only the 1.9 million of us Albanians here in The Republic Of Kosova it is th 17 million of us Albanians worldwide that watch with a keen eye!!! We are the rightful inheritors of what is ours and will lay claim to every square millimeter of it, this I also promise!!! Time has and will always be our strongest ally!

Bahri

pre 7 godina

I am glad Serbia voted against Ukraine. Ukraine government is so stupid to realize Serbia government is two faces and vill put Ukraine under the bus any time when it comes to Russia. Now Ukraine what is going to do recognize Kosovo or not ether way Ukraine is making bad decisions for not recognizing Kosovo and will regret it on the future for not doing.

rote

pre 7 godina

* Ukraine was the only state that did not condemn murder of the Russian ambassador. Moreover some in the parliament offered to grant the killer with HERO OF UKRAINE title.

* It's been 5 days that Ukraine launched a small war in Donbass sending their troops to their own minefields. Right now about 200 servicemen are surrounded near Debaltsevo and at least 100 were killed or wounded.

* This week they privatized the biggest and the only prospering PRIVAT BANK where half of Ukraine keep their money.

* Every day they do crazy things to attract attention because they fear Trump as their hangman. So don't them serious - it's just a agony. But this winter you may have gas transit problems.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

I too think that Serbia should have abstained instead of voting against Ukraine. It is obvious that Russia is one of Serbia's closest allies, but Ukraine is no enemy either. As long as Ukraine doesn't recognize fake state of 'kosovo*' then Serbia has no reason to spoil relations with this country. Obviously the spat between Russia and Ukraine is bad, but Serbia needs to look out for its own interests. Regardless, Serbia needs to uphold the principle of territorial integrity and not recognize Crimea's annexation, despite the fact that its obvious that Crimea is now Russian.

The Russians on B92 don't like me. They call me a "whore" because I only care about Serbia's interests and don't want Serbia to be a puppet of anybody's. I highly value Russia, but Serbia needs to do whats best for Serbia, just like Russia did when it supported Montenegro's dictator Djukanovic when he broke the state-union with Serbia before he ended up betraying them.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

To be correct there's only one Russian here and he calls you a prostitute while whore is a low rate prostitute. And I always give you my POOR COMMENT without reading. You are more dangerous for the Serbs than Lenard, Dwight and Rocky.
(rote, 22 December 2016 14:53)

Well, I am no enemy of Russia's. In the United States, I work extra hard to push back against Russian demonization and one of the reasons I voted for Trump is his commitment to better relations with Russia. Putin is the world leader that I admire the most (until I see what happens with Trump) and I am staunchly against Serbia joining NATO or putting sanctions on Russia.

But will I put Russia over Serbia? Never. Just like Russia didn't put Serbia over its interests when it didn't help in the 90s (as a state, there were volunteers), pulled out peace keepers from Kosovo-Metohija in 2001 and supported the tyrant Djukanovic in my country Montenegro when he was breaking us apart from Serbia while he was working in Russia's favor. You are Serbia's friend, but Serbia can't be anyone's puppet. Including Russia's. And it's not in Serbia's interest to recognize Crimea, even if the war in Ukraine was clearly instigated by the West and Sorosista's.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

ROTE -> Albania have nothing to do with the Slavs

Albania are old brothers of Romania

Look at the 190 Dacian words from Romanian language they are as the Albanian ones . Dacians and Thracians were same people someting like are the slavs .

sj

pre 7 godina

The west and their lackeys are always so predictable. When it suits them they all roll out international law, but when it’s to their advantage, like the time when the US bankrolled the coup in Ukraine against a duly elected government, then they wipe their feet with pages from that same law book.
Serbia vote only shows how times are changing and we no longer have a single world power and such a vote will have absolutely have no effects on Kosovo at all. If anyone doubts that the world has changed read up on who is meeting to solve the war in Syria and yes ladies and gents the US is not in that group.

rote

pre 7 godina

The Russians on B92 don't like me. They call me a "whore" because I only care about Serbia's interests and don't want Serbia to be a puppet of anybody's.

(Ari Gold, 22 December 2016 14:02)


To be correct there's only one Russian here and he calls you a prostitute while whore is a low rate prostitute. And I always give you my POOR COMMENT without reading. You are more dangerous for the Serbs than Lenard, Dwight and Rocky.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Dear Rote

At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda , i had read from a long time with big attention , you are Russian , why don`t you tell to us that in Russia minimum salary is 100 euro while in Romania is 360 euro from 1 january ( 330 euro with 13 salary ) that is over triple

As for Nukes if you ever dare to do someting the Nato will help us

Why are you doing propaganda here ?

Savages

pre 7 godina

Yeah, probably not the best move by Serbia. Ukraine has always supported that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and Serbias territorial integrity. Abstaining from the vote would have been a better option.

adrian_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Sj figures about minimum salary are official , are laws , as for unemployment that is the real bs , all in all we had before may 2016 230 euro then 280 and from 1 january 330 euro payed 13 times => 360 euro per month , soon will apear in wikipedia statistic , is even not a lot considering Croatia have 400 and Greece with all crisis 600 , even Serbia have 230 but with big taxes ( here they cut it ) real minimum salary in Serbia is 180 euro per month

sj

pre 7 godina

At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda , i had read from a long time with big attention , you are Russian , why don`t you tell to us that in Russia minimum salary is 100 euro while in Romania is 360 euro from 1 january ( 330 euro with 13 salary ) that is over triple

As for Nukes if you ever dare to do someting the Nato will help us

Why are you doing propaganda here ?
(adrian_bucharest, 22 December 2016 11:55)

When were you last in Romania because what you describe I did not see there. That 360 Euros salary is a government funded myth much like the level of unemployment in the US which has now "dropped" to 4.9% which is pure BS.
Last year I spent time in Romania and Bulgaria and from what I saw they were worse than Serbia, but at least Serbia has an excuse as its been through some of the worst sanctions in history and its economy was destroyed.

Do you really think someone will start WW3 which would wipe out life on earth just for Romania? Think about this one hard.

rote

pre 7 godina

Dear Rote At first i tought you are a Serbian , recently i realised you are a Russian who is doing propaganda ...

(adrian_bucharest, 22 December 2016 11:55)

I laughed quite long and loud when after you disclosed my origin. Just because you must be the last Mahican who had not known it. By the way Mahican (МОГИ KАН = MIGHTY KHAN) is a Russian word so the comparison musn't be insulting for you. Because 57% of your genomes are pure Russian against 75% of the Moldovans who want to join their mother Russia instead their cousin Romania. By the way you've ignored my question why Romanian word "românã" means "Russian" ? As for the salaries please don't worry about the Russians as in war time we need only vodka and Kalashnikov and it is war time now. Besides the average salaries here are about 360 euro today while the prices are much lower than anywhere else. I buy pork for 5 and stakes for 7 euro per kilo, Toyota Camry costs 19 000 euro, 1 kilo of bread is 0,3 euro, BigMac - 2 euro ect. As for the US nukes they made you helpless targets for the Russian missiles. Putin said today in MoD that "we are stronger than any potential agressor". Write it on your Russian ("românã") nose! Finally my full name here is also Russian - rote kapelle. Read something about it.

rote

pre 7 godina

Ari Gold : Well, I am no enemy of Russia's.

It is only what you think what you are. During WW2 captured Germans were sent to Siberia while Russian panicers were shot down there and then. Because they threatened the state while the captured Germans were already harmess. So to my mind no matter what you think or feel you are an enemy of the Serbs. If we are brothers both sides must behave appropriately without a calculators in our hands. But if we are just partners then you mustn't be dissapointed when Russia say that we have a better offer. Have you ever seen us trying to develop realations with any of your enemy ? Or do you know that we've spoiled our relations with the USA over Serbia 25 years ago? That's why prostitution was the softest word that I could use for you. When Russians went to die in Yugoslavia in two WW and then in the 90s they were moved by other logics. So were Serbs and Montenegrins in the Tsarist army. Your American mentallity does not work with the Russians. Serbs are a piece of the Russian mentallity, Russian spirit, Russian despise to death. From this point you are neither a Serb nor a Montenegrin. You are a Jewish trader with a Casio heart while to win their enemies Serbs need to clean off people like you. Anyone doubting Russia is a mortal enemy of the Serbs. Think about it and stop your permanent speculations of what is profitable and what is not. It's a war but not a Turkish bazar !

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Bahri What about being smarter than Ukrainians and send his highness Thaci and Hoxhaj to directly deal with Russians? Listen to my word Bahri, Avni and all you brothers from Kosovo, listen to my word: you know how racist this Ari Gold and Serbs are. Vucic has recognized it and they all feel superior to my brothers in Kosovo. They all cried when Putin allowed Majlinda to raise your flag in Moscow. It was their racism that caused the war. How many times Kosovar leaders have warned them in the past about their policies of discrimination against Albanians? I remember Adem Demaci speaking out about that in Belgrade but these racists never listened to Albanians because for them Albanians have the tail! All the massacres in Kosovo happened because of that mentality and Putin knows it. You don't need allies like Ukraine who can barely drag its panties on, you need to have a dialogue with Russians while always being grateful to Americans and time will solve everything. All you need is an aggressive diplomacy campaign but try to focus on those who really matter (US and Russia) not on any stupid island in the Pacific that can recognize Kosovo. Time will show if Skenderbeu is right on this.

Ari Gold

pre 7 godina

If we are brothers both sides must behave appropriately without a calculators in our hands. But if we are just partners then you mustn't be dissapointed when Russia say that we have a better offer. Have you ever seen us trying to develop realations with any of your enemy ?
(rote, 22 December 2016 21:10)

Russia calculated that it didn't need to intervene in the 1990s. Russia calculated that it needed to withdraw from Kosovo-Metohija in 2001. Russia calculated that supporting the referendum in Montenegro will grant them a permanent ally in Djukanovic (a miscalculation that was). So the Russian government calculates.

The Russian people are brothers and sisters. The government, which I admire a lot, is just another government. They have interests and most of the times they act in Serbia's interests. Sometimes, as I have outlined, they do not. Serbia should not spoil relations with anyone based on problems Russia may have with other countries.

Alex2016

pre 7 godina

Dear Ukrainian ambassador, just a kind reminder: Kosovo implemented "unilateral secession", which is against national and international laws, Crimea have seen an entirely legal referendum. As a diplomat you should be aware of the difference between unilateral secession and referendum. Also, what is questionable is how your country opposition party couped a ruling government that had democratically and legally won elections. If the opposition, now ruling party, would have any respect of law and democracy, they would have waited for next elections and improve their elections campaign...please re-evaluate Your "colleagues" and "sponsors" behaviour before judging the position of Serbia. Regards

rote

pre 7 godina

Ari Gold : Russia calculated that it didn't need to intervene in the 1990s ...

Russia was a destroyed empire and Chicago boys settled in the government and Kremlin. Their agents of influence de facto ruled this country. People like Djindic and Djukanovic were free to undermine us from inside and boycot every attempt to help you. Besides it was inpossible to realize the plans as all your neighbors refused to give us a corridor. It was the period when we could not find troops to fight in Chechnia. Yet we never traded our relations like you do. We've spoiled relations with the USA because of you but we weren't prostitutes. Everything we do today in Montenegro is aimed to remove Djukanovic and we will succeed this time with Turkey's aid. It will give us a corridor to the trapped Serbia. If in the sieged Moscow of 1941 someone would say anything against our allies in the West he would be shot down right in the street. But you permanently trade yourself - here we are interested and there we have a better offer. It harms more Serbia than Russia and it explains why our relations are still at a such low level. Because before late 2016 your government also behaved like a prostitute. We must clean ourselves from people like you and be open inside. Then nothing and nobody will cope with us from oputside. We need unconditional love like that of Dragoljub Djurkovic to help you in a wide scale. Otherwise we can only be partners the way you like it ...

sj

pre 7 godina

Let me start with Croatia first. If Croatia has 600 per month it would not have lost about 50,000 well educated people this year because there are no jobs in that country. If the Greeks had 600 per month there would not be rioting regularly nor would the Greek Government be cutting pensions and anything they could get their hands on.
As far as laws are concerned, Serbia, as part of its EU entry obligations, has passed a library full of laws but who actually abides by them? In Romania the Government can declare that the monthly wage is 1000 but when people look for work and the employer tells them he can only pay 200, what happens? People walk away refusing a job? No they don’t. The Government ignores that this is going on, but on paper you have 330.
If governments publish unemployment figures and they are BS, why do you think that these same governments would not BS about monthly salaries?

Comm. Parriossn

pre 7 godina

He added that he was "certain" that Serbia has changed its position of neutrality and restraint during the voting in the UN "because of pressure from Russia."

Oh, can it be like that? Serbia is sitting between the chairs: They must lick Putin's boot because otherwise Russia could stop vetoing an UN membership of Kosovo, on the other hand, they know well that it's schizophrenic to silently accept the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia (against Ukrainian constitution and laws) while fighting against the 'independent Kosovo' (which is against Serbian constitution and laws).