"Peace in Balkans requires redrawing of borders"

Although I don't agree with Less, I can respect his opinion. At least he has some consistency in his argument which is based around self-determination. For a long time, Western policy towards the Balkans was self-determination if you are not Serb and territorial integrity if you are not Serbia. The policy is very barbaric and fascist, not surprising given it favors the historical Nazi puppets of the region. It's still like this today, though with a new administration in the U.S., I think even a waning interest in the region will be very good for Serbia.

As for this exact plan, Serbia should oppose it. Northern Kosovo-Metohija doesn't need to "join" Serbia, it already is apart of Serbia and out of reach for the Albanian institutions in Pristina. Republika Srpska, while not part of Serbia, is surely independent in its own right. In fact, despite not having recognition, it is more independent than Pristina! The Albanians have to listen to what NATO-KFOR and EULEX say, but in the RS, nobody can tell the Serbs what to do.

So Serbia doesn't get anything out of this. And why should Croatia absorb the Croat populated part of Bosnia when they ethnically cleansed a quarter million Serbs from their ancestral homes? Give Serbs back their property and their Krajina, and then wine about Herzegovina!!!

No-one in the West advocated independence for Kosovo until Serbian government policy became ethnic cleansing and execution of civilians.
(Dwight, 21 December 2016 15:48)

So why was Croatia allowed with NATO support to ethnically cleanse 250,000 Serbs from their ancestral homes? Get real. No one cares about civilians, it's all about interest. At the time, it was NATO's interest to provide a reason for its existence after the fall of communism, and the former YU was the perfect place for that. NATO doesn't care about Albanian civilians. 1/3 of all victims of the NATO bombings on Serbia were Kosovo Albanians!!! They would bomb the Albanians for absolutely no reason. Stop playing yourself.

Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey.

Hay Savage Albanians are Autochthonous in the Balkans . Why don't you go back to where you came from karpatia, siberia or whatever

This "article", and I deliberately put this thing in quotes, is something that pops up around various Foreign Affairs, Economists, and STRATFORs every year or two from no-name authors who recycle the same Robert Kaplan-type drivel about ancient hatreds, embedded nationalisms, and enduring conflicts with their neighbors, while predictably calling for border redrawing that should solve everyone's problem, even though the audience these articles are written for are those that felt justified in redrawing the borders to their current state in the 1990s.

While there are many problems with these "articles", the worst is that it seems to placate the views and aspirations of the most extremist and most peripheral political parties in each country and territory, most of which are minor and irrelevant politically, and seem to be followed by the stereotypical keyboard warrior of the Diaspora on news portals like this.

The moral of the story is usually the same: tiny runt states and statelets shouldn't exist and need to be absorbed into bigger ones, despite the biggest one being encouraged to collapse and fragment by the very same Western powers 25 years ago.

I have no idea who Timothy Less is, but I assume his knowledge of the Balkans comes from drive-by articles as sophisticated and developed as the one he seemed to write in one draft.

@rote. History books? Hilarious! Sorry I don't need to read silly Albanian fairytales and crazy Propaganda. Besides, I don't understand your dead middle eastern language.

@Ilyrian.?? Don't you mean Turk? Stop consuming all that Albanian grass and join the world of reality lol

Idiotic Idea. Before you get to publish any article advocating redrawing borders on such a scale you should have to pass a test.
You have 60 minutes to fill a small car with your family and as many belongings as you can fit, anything that does not fit must be left behind forever, including any savings in any bank. You must then cross the border and make a new life in a different country.
If you are successful, you get to publish the article.

These countries can hardly afford the territory they have now much less expand it and have more people to take care of. Plus people will become even more depressed once they figure out that personal happiness can't be created by re-drawing political borders. The only thing that will change is that you won't have the other nationality to blame for not having a job or food to eat.

"For a long time, Western policy towards the Balkans was self-determination if you are not Serb and territorial integrity if you are not Serbia"
(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 14:11)
not true, this is western policy as imagined and propagated by Serb nationalists.
Western policy is that borders are fixed. Western policy is that minorities rights are protected and large minorities may have a form of self-determination within the state.
No-one in the West advocated independence for Kosovo until Serbian government policy became ethnic cleansing and execution of civilians.

"Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey."

Serbs need to be deported back to Siberia were your kind came from

so peter the rocky, your celebrating that albanian (illyrian's) kidnapped and raped serbian women in your nationaly's past?

Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey.

(Savages, 21 December 2016 14:26)


don't let your emotions switch off your brains and read at least one history book!

I love how Albanians here automatically assume "Savage" is a Serb, or even a Slav. Look how they get angry at the stereotypes, but rush head first into racist insults the minute their teeny weeny pride is hurt. You know it could be anyone making fun of you people right? Even another Albanian just to trigger you? Wouldn't even be surprised if it was one of them posting under a different name :)

@ (Savages, 21 December 2016 14:26)

Albanians are as old as Greeks if not older. Slavs on the other hand as history proves came at the end of 6th and beginning of 7th century.

According to US foreign policy "experts" , Peace also previously required changes of regimes or borders in:
- Syria
- Iraq
- Libya
- Afghanistan
- Yemen
- Yugoslavia
- Korea
- Vietnam
- Laos
- Cambodia
- Panama
- Grenada
- Nicaragua
- Columbia
- Chile and other US death squad supported South American countries.

In US double speak, Peace actually means war. Perpetual war is an essential component of the US economy and foreign policy. Brothers, sisters and fellow Peace loving Southern Slavs, rather than fight and kill ourselves for the profit of the empire on the Potomac, lets us unite against this evil.

Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey.

(Savages, 21 December 2016 14:26)

Sounds like a five year old who has been denied sucking on a lollipop!!!
Hey u savage, u should go and have ancestry.com check your DNA, as I'm pretty sure they will reveal to you that you have a majority of Albanian chromosomes!!! You must understand our forefathers were very active in the Roman legions and sought barbarian Serbian woman from their military campaines in the carpatians, then bringing them back to the Balkans as woman slaves to do the work of Illyrian queens!!!
Go ahead and ask grandma for she has ever met an Albanian man before & glaze into her eyes when she responds! If your gifted with insight into a woman her eyes will tell you all she need not say 1word!!!
Also, Your current prime ministers father is said to be an Albanian from The Republic Of Kosovo!

I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.
(shkipkurd, 22 December 2016 06:52)

You think? Don't think try to learn, just be so kind to check out and then show to us the result. Because i think you are too ignorant to start learn both of languages, to understand how ignorant you are.

This idea fails to address the key issue, at least where Bosnia is concerned. It would be almost impossible to agree exactly which parts of the existing state went to which particular group. Serbs have 33% of the population of BiH but 49% of the territory. Any deal along the lines being suggested would need to allocate territory according to population percentage and that isn't going to happen. The RS won't give up one hectare of land. The third entity idea is being supported by Dodik but he envisages all of this entity coming from the Federation. How will he and others persuade the Bosniaks that they should have the reverse situation to the RS where they have 49% of the population and perhaps under a third of the land? How about encouraging people to get on with each other and pursue common goals of economic stability, low interest rates, low inflation and low unemployment rather than legitimising the concept that one can only get along with people who are the 'same' as you.

As for the idea that there will only be peace in the Balkans if this plan is implemented, I thought there had been 'peace' for almost 20 years. To persuade the international community of the need for something like this there would need to be cataclysmic events along the lines of the 1990s and nothing suggests that this will happen. Yes, the various groups spend far to much time poking their fingers in each other's eyes rather than getting on with good governance but that's a long way from a new war.

Dwight,
that's bunch of baloney and you know it.

Even Victoria Nuland recently said in Belgrade that US has invested a lot into Kosovo's independence in last 20 years. When she was asked - "We thought that you were supporting Serbia's integrity in 1996" she said that they always did - but without Kosovo!
As everyone with gram of brain didn't know that already!

" Western policy is that minorities rights are protected and large minorities may have a form of self-determination within the state. "

Lie!

Rights of minorities are specified by OSCE rules. Albanians had right to use Albanian language, while Serbian language and Cyrillic letters were banned in Croatia in 1990!

Which minority has more rights - one that can't even use it's own language and protect it's heritage or one that can?

"No-one in the West advocated independence for Kosovo until Serbian government policy became ethnic cleansing and execution of civilians."

Not openly advocated but supported by all means.

Ethnic cleansing of Krajina and execution of civilians didn't happen?

(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 14:11)you cant read ?it says RS and Montenegro to Serbia and that little part of Montenegro to Albania,,,,,open your eyes......the eastern Slavonia part of Croatia to go to Serbia they should have put also.........

@rote. I don't need to read silly Albanian fairytales and crazy Propaganda. Besides, I don't understand your dead middle eastern language.

(Savages, 21 December 2016 15:15)

I write as i can and you understood me as i see. Also I am not an Albanian - at least in your meaning of the word. But anyway don't go crazy as anger is a bad advicer.

referendums will redraw borders and a great Albania in the balkans will mostly happen because Albanians are pro-west than any other country. All slavs in the balkans, your time is up you will be powerless even more in the future.

(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 14:11) and forgot to add part of Kosovo...so Serbia will connect RS , Montenegro ,part of Kosovo ......so where do you see nothing for Serbia ? and mostly likely the eastern part of Croatia to Serbia.....read carefully.////while croats get their small part of Bosnia since their population is small....Albanians get a tiny part of Montenegro and some of preshovo and part of Macedonia....

To Late !.

The Borders will be Redrawn through War again.

Arn.Sweden.

@ Savages
Your mum understands me :D

At the time, it was NATO's interest to provide a reason for its existence after the fall of communism
(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 18:17)


Lucky for NATO then that Milosevic gave them a reason by having a policy of ethnic cleansing and mass murder.

Rocky: our forefathers were very active in the Roman legions and sought barbarian Serbian woman ...

1/ Since 14 century there was only one known empire in the history. They called themselves ВЕЛИКОЕ ГОСУДАРСТВО but in Europe they were known as the Great (White) Horde, Great Tartaria and since 15 century also as the Roman (decendant from the Romey Byzantine) empire.

2/ Historical Serbs played a significant role in the ВЕЛИКОЕ ГОСУДАРСТВО, while the Shqiptars have serious problems with self-identification.

3/ Albanians wasn't an ethnical criteria but the leading forse in the military state that posessed the world. So each time you read this word no mattter if the names are Arabian or German or Indian be sure they mean Rus people of Rurikovici Dynasty and their army. If you see a king or a padishah or any governor be sure he spoke Rus/Slav language.

4/ Serbs controlled Tibet Horde that included part of China and 100% of Indo-China. In Tibet there are hundreds of Serbian toponymals that I placed here twice this year. Serbian word Shambala means Cham/Chamme Bala/Bela = White Khan/Kniaz so it's a big question which of you two is Whiter or Albanier ...

I personally believe that the Shqiptars were part of the Great (White) Horde but you never played leading roles because you were not of the Rurikovici unlike the Njemanici ... So be very polite when you talk to the descendants of the Pharaohs.

Without going into any historical analysis, there is no way that Albanians are of the European origins. They probably came with Ottomans like current Macedonian and would like to claim from whoever was there as their heritage.
Looking how many Albanians are involved in Syrian Civil War tell us that deep down in their gens they know where they came from...

Go ahead and ask grandma for she has ever met an Albanian man before & glaze into her eyes when she responds! If your gifted with insight into a woman her eyes will tell you all she need not say 1word!!!
Also, Your current prime ministers father is said to be an Albanian from The Republic Of Kosovo!
(Peter The Rocky, 21 December 2016 17:11)

Im gifted with insight and I can tell that you are off your rocker.

I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.

I think the truth will come from genetics. As more and more people have their DNA sequenced, we will be able to know better about our origins.
Rote is a total nutcase, sometime I wish I would be smoking the same thing as he in the freezing slums of Russia.
The most serious research today on genes, language and populations is done by Cavalli-Sforza at Stanford University in California. They seem to be the authority on this matter and they place the Albanian language at the root of all European languages having appeared around 8 to 9 thousand years ago with Greek language appearing only around 4 to 5 thousand years ago. (get the book on amazon.com, it is pure scientific research without grandfather tales)
http://tinyurl.com/ogth7v5
And by the way, my parents come both from Middle Albania and my paternal haplogroup is E1b1b1c1 (E-M34) exactly same as Napoleon Buonaparte, go figure!

Albanians are as old as Greeks if not older. Slavs on the other hand as history proves came at the end of 6th and beginning of 7th century.
(Gavni, 21 December 2016 19:10)

Albanians, Turks and Greeks are close relatives so it's stupid to even discuss who is older. Caucasus, Balkans, Ukraine, Italy, France and Spain is the line where Semites and the Slavs met. Albanians and Greeks are mostly Semites with a big Slavic component.

Slavs are the Aryans and there were no Aryans other than the Slavs. All white people belong to the Slavs even if they hate to think so. There are no white skins who are not of Slavic origin. R1b is a daughter happlogroup to R1a so seeking big difference between the Slavs is a mistake.

Creating racist theories is a game with gun powder especially when it comes to the Balkans. Russians and Greeks are very close peoples though we have not much in common genomes. Same with the peoples on the peninsula and none of you will find an ethnical conflict between the Shqiptars and the Serbs or between any other entity before 19 century.

To free Kurdistan.
I Quote You.

"I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.
(shkipkurd, 22 December 2016 06:52)

You think? Don't think try to learn, just be so kind to check out and then show to us the result. Because i think you are too ignorant to start learn both of languages, to understand how ignorant you are.
(Free Kurdistan, 22 December 2016 11:47" End of Quote.

Comment - Kurdistan You are absolute Right.

The Kurdish People are of Median Decent.

Genesis chapter 10 vers .

2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.'

Japheth is the Forefather of all Indoeuropean Descent.

Tiras - Compare Tiraspol,Tirana.
Madai - Compare "Kurrimittanni"(Kurdistan-Media) - the old name of Media, todays Kurdistan,

Arn. Sweden.

Good attempt, just send the shiptars back to Pakistan and make the whole balkan serbian territory! Problem solved!

Peace on Balcan will come when the Balcan people will peacefully decide together their own borders accepted from all sides. Yes it sounds like a utopia now but time heals any past wounds and it will happen. Important is the fact that both big brothers (Russia and USS) dont put their nouse on it. Its important Balcan has new more pure ethnic states as its clear nowdays the western dream if multiethnical states hasnt and wont work for a long time. Yes at the end none between Serbs, Croatians, Albanians will archive 100℅ of its historical dreams but still in a big ℅ borders can be set accordingly if all sides discuss together and look toward the future generation.

memento mori

Rote is a total nutcase, sometime I wish I would be smoking the same thing as he in the freezing slums of Russia.

*** 100 m2 in the center of Moscow would cost much more than your dan.


And by the way, my parents come both from Middle Albania and my paternal haplogroup is E1b1b1c1 (E-M34) exactly same as Napoleon Buonaparte, go figure!

*** Napoleon was a mysterious figure with lot's of questions still hanging. Besides his name smells Russian because he has never been to Napoli (= Habsburg = Novgorod) while the real great was Napoleon III ...

*** As for the E1b1b1c1 happlogroup it is Semite and thus can quite be Shqiptar, Greek, Turkish or even Ashkenazy Jewish. Shqiptars must have been warriors of the White Horde but they could merely play a significant role during the empire. Unlike the Slavs and the Turkic people (who in a great degree were Slavs too) the Shqiptars left no footprints anywhere on this planet. So sit where you are and do not jump.

Lol.. so all this goes down and Bosnia only gets Sarajevo?? I don't think that will sit well.

I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.

(shkipkurd, 22 December 2016 06:52)


It's not true though Kurds were Albanians too. As you know Kurds aren't monolith and it always was this way. Because de facto Kurds are a nation composed of several regional hordes of the Great Horde. They have 4 dialects that differ too much to be called one language. And so is their Y-DNA. But it's a sort of Persian language anyway. In the east they use word URDU, ORDU, ORDA for the ARMY and word KURD means simply K-URDU or K-HORDE. During the great Slvavic conquest they had to stay in the region that they controlled and married local Semite women to stop to be blonds. Caucasian Albania was Kurdish as well. Caucasians and Balkan peoples were the main military allies of the Rus Horde. The famous reconquista of 15 century reflected in the Bible as the traveling Israelites started from the Balkans where all the hordes were concentrated in 1415-1420. 10 of them had Rus origin (Israelites) and 2 others were formed in Judea (Turkey). Guess Kurds were Judeans. This story is known as 12 Tribes of Israel that travelled (fought) for 40 years. But it had nothing to do with the Jews who were formed as a nation in 16 century in Germany with Idish as their language. Anyway don't feel yourself lonely among the Shqiptars as both Kurds and them were part of the same force in the middle ages.

This is interesting and here is what I think would be fair borders:
Greece: to get modern south Albania and Istambul
Serbia: Drim valley aka south Kosovo and Metohija, Serbian republic, Montenegro, and cost of Dalmatia to Split and parts of Slavonia and Krajina
Macedonia: east Albania
Albania: etnic, historical central Albania
Bosnia: central Bosnia

That would be fair reward for all nations in region according to their contribution in history.

and compare Magog vs Geg

Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey.

Hay Savage Albanians are Autochthonous in the Balkans . Why don't you go back to where you came from karpatia, siberia or whatever

@ (Savages, 21 December 2016 14:26)

Albanians are as old as Greeks if not older. Slavs on the other hand as history proves came at the end of 6th and beginning of 7th century.

"Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey."

Serbs need to be deported back to Siberia were your kind came from

"For a long time, Western policy towards the Balkans was self-determination if you are not Serb and territorial integrity if you are not Serbia"
(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 14:11)
not true, this is western policy as imagined and propagated by Serb nationalists.
Western policy is that borders are fixed. Western policy is that minorities rights are protected and large minorities may have a form of self-determination within the state.
No-one in the West advocated independence for Kosovo until Serbian government policy became ethnic cleansing and execution of civilians.

Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey.

(Savages, 21 December 2016 14:26)

Sounds like a five year old who has been denied sucking on a lollipop!!!
Hey u savage, u should go and have ancestry.com check your DNA, as I'm pretty sure they will reveal to you that you have a majority of Albanian chromosomes!!! You must understand our forefathers were very active in the Roman legions and sought barbarian Serbian woman from their military campaines in the carpatians, then bringing them back to the Balkans as woman slaves to do the work of Illyrian queens!!!
Go ahead and ask grandma for she has ever met an Albanian man before & glaze into her eyes when she responds! If your gifted with insight into a woman her eyes will tell you all she need not say 1word!!!
Also, Your current prime ministers father is said to be an Albanian from The Republic Of Kosovo!

Although I don't agree with Less, I can respect his opinion. At least he has some consistency in his argument which is based around self-determination. For a long time, Western policy towards the Balkans was self-determination if you are not Serb and territorial integrity if you are not Serbia. The policy is very barbaric and fascist, not surprising given it favors the historical Nazi puppets of the region. It's still like this today, though with a new administration in the U.S., I think even a waning interest in the region will be very good for Serbia.

As for this exact plan, Serbia should oppose it. Northern Kosovo-Metohija doesn't need to "join" Serbia, it already is apart of Serbia and out of reach for the Albanian institutions in Pristina. Republika Srpska, while not part of Serbia, is surely independent in its own right. In fact, despite not having recognition, it is more independent than Pristina! The Albanians have to listen to what NATO-KFOR and EULEX say, but in the RS, nobody can tell the Serbs what to do.

So Serbia doesn't get anything out of this. And why should Croatia absorb the Croat populated part of Bosnia when they ethnically cleansed a quarter million Serbs from their ancestral homes? Give Serbs back their property and their Krajina, and then wine about Herzegovina!!!

Less forget to mention that Albanians are foreign to the region and have no place there. Albanians need to return back to the slums of Turkey.

(Savages, 21 December 2016 14:26)


don't let your emotions switch off your brains and read at least one history book!

@rote. History books? Hilarious! Sorry I don't need to read silly Albanian fairytales and crazy Propaganda. Besides, I don't understand your dead middle eastern language.

@Ilyrian.?? Don't you mean Turk? Stop consuming all that Albanian grass and join the world of reality lol

No-one in the West advocated independence for Kosovo until Serbian government policy became ethnic cleansing and execution of civilians.
(Dwight, 21 December 2016 15:48)

So why was Croatia allowed with NATO support to ethnically cleanse 250,000 Serbs from their ancestral homes? Get real. No one cares about civilians, it's all about interest. At the time, it was NATO's interest to provide a reason for its existence after the fall of communism, and the former YU was the perfect place for that. NATO doesn't care about Albanian civilians. 1/3 of all victims of the NATO bombings on Serbia were Kosovo Albanians!!! They would bomb the Albanians for absolutely no reason. Stop playing yourself.

referendums will redraw borders and a great Albania in the balkans will mostly happen because Albanians are pro-west than any other country. All slavs in the balkans, your time is up you will be powerless even more in the future.

@ Savages
Your mum understands me :D

Rocky: our forefathers were very active in the Roman legions and sought barbarian Serbian woman ...

1/ Since 14 century there was only one known empire in the history. They called themselves ВЕЛИКОЕ ГОСУДАРСТВО but in Europe they were known as the Great (White) Horde, Great Tartaria and since 15 century also as the Roman (decendant from the Romey Byzantine) empire.

2/ Historical Serbs played a significant role in the ВЕЛИКОЕ ГОСУДАРСТВО, while the Shqiptars have serious problems with self-identification.

3/ Albanians wasn't an ethnical criteria but the leading forse in the military state that posessed the world. So each time you read this word no mattter if the names are Arabian or German or Indian be sure they mean Rus people of Rurikovici Dynasty and their army. If you see a king or a padishah or any governor be sure he spoke Rus/Slav language.

4/ Serbs controlled Tibet Horde that included part of China and 100% of Indo-China. In Tibet there are hundreds of Serbian toponymals that I placed here twice this year. Serbian word Shambala means Cham/Chamme Bala/Bela = White Khan/Kniaz so it's a big question which of you two is Whiter or Albanier ...

I personally believe that the Shqiptars were part of the Great (White) Horde but you never played leading roles because you were not of the Rurikovici unlike the Njemanici ... So be very polite when you talk to the descendants of the Pharaohs.

I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.

I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.

(shkipkurd, 22 December 2016 06:52)


It's not true though Kurds were Albanians too. As you know Kurds aren't monolith and it always was this way. Because de facto Kurds are a nation composed of several regional hordes of the Great Horde. They have 4 dialects that differ too much to be called one language. And so is their Y-DNA. But it's a sort of Persian language anyway. In the east they use word URDU, ORDU, ORDA for the ARMY and word KURD means simply K-URDU or K-HORDE. During the great Slvavic conquest they had to stay in the region that they controlled and married local Semite women to stop to be blonds. Caucasian Albania was Kurdish as well. Caucasians and Balkan peoples were the main military allies of the Rus Horde. The famous reconquista of 15 century reflected in the Bible as the traveling Israelites started from the Balkans where all the hordes were concentrated in 1415-1420. 10 of them had Rus origin (Israelites) and 2 others were formed in Judea (Turkey). Guess Kurds were Judeans. This story is known as 12 Tribes of Israel that travelled (fought) for 40 years. But it had nothing to do with the Jews who were formed as a nation in 16 century in Germany with Idish as their language. Anyway don't feel yourself lonely among the Shqiptars as both Kurds and them were part of the same force in the middle ages.

This idea fails to address the key issue, at least where Bosnia is concerned. It would be almost impossible to agree exactly which parts of the existing state went to which particular group. Serbs have 33% of the population of BiH but 49% of the territory. Any deal along the lines being suggested would need to allocate territory according to population percentage and that isn't going to happen. The RS won't give up one hectare of land. The third entity idea is being supported by Dodik but he envisages all of this entity coming from the Federation. How will he and others persuade the Bosniaks that they should have the reverse situation to the RS where they have 49% of the population and perhaps under a third of the land? How about encouraging people to get on with each other and pursue common goals of economic stability, low interest rates, low inflation and low unemployment rather than legitimising the concept that one can only get along with people who are the 'same' as you.

As for the idea that there will only be peace in the Balkans if this plan is implemented, I thought there had been 'peace' for almost 20 years. To persuade the international community of the need for something like this there would need to be cataclysmic events along the lines of the 1990s and nothing suggests that this will happen. Yes, the various groups spend far to much time poking their fingers in each other's eyes rather than getting on with good governance but that's a long way from a new war.

At the time, it was NATO's interest to provide a reason for its existence after the fall of communism
(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 18:17)


Lucky for NATO then that Milosevic gave them a reason by having a policy of ethnic cleansing and mass murder.

I love how Albanians here automatically assume "Savage" is a Serb, or even a Slav. Look how they get angry at the stereotypes, but rush head first into racist insults the minute their teeny weeny pride is hurt. You know it could be anyone making fun of you people right? Even another Albanian just to trigger you? Wouldn't even be surprised if it was one of them posting under a different name :)

Good attempt, just send the shiptars back to Pakistan and make the whole balkan serbian territory! Problem solved!

(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 14:11) and forgot to add part of Kosovo...so Serbia will connect RS , Montenegro ,part of Kosovo ......so where do you see nothing for Serbia ? and mostly likely the eastern part of Croatia to Serbia.....read carefully.////while croats get their small part of Bosnia since their population is small....Albanians get a tiny part of Montenegro and some of preshovo and part of Macedonia....

@rote. I don't need to read silly Albanian fairytales and crazy Propaganda. Besides, I don't understand your dead middle eastern language.

(Savages, 21 December 2016 15:15)

I write as i can and you understood me as i see. Also I am not an Albanian - at least in your meaning of the word. But anyway don't go crazy as anger is a bad advicer.

Albanians are as old as Greeks if not older. Slavs on the other hand as history proves came at the end of 6th and beginning of 7th century.
(Gavni, 21 December 2016 19:10)

Albanians, Turks and Greeks are close relatives so it's stupid to even discuss who is older. Caucasus, Balkans, Ukraine, Italy, France and Spain is the line where Semites and the Slavs met. Albanians and Greeks are mostly Semites with a big Slavic component.

Slavs are the Aryans and there were no Aryans other than the Slavs. All white people belong to the Slavs even if they hate to think so. There are no white skins who are not of Slavic origin. R1b is a daughter happlogroup to R1a so seeking big difference between the Slavs is a mistake.

Creating racist theories is a game with gun powder especially when it comes to the Balkans. Russians and Greeks are very close peoples though we have not much in common genomes. Same with the peoples on the peninsula and none of you will find an ethnical conflict between the Shqiptars and the Serbs or between any other entity before 19 century.

According to US foreign policy "experts" , Peace also previously required changes of regimes or borders in:
- Syria
- Iraq
- Libya
- Afghanistan
- Yemen
- Yugoslavia
- Korea
- Vietnam
- Laos
- Cambodia
- Panama
- Grenada
- Nicaragua
- Columbia
- Chile and other US death squad supported South American countries.

In US double speak, Peace actually means war. Perpetual war is an essential component of the US economy and foreign policy. Brothers, sisters and fellow Peace loving Southern Slavs, rather than fight and kill ourselves for the profit of the empire on the Potomac, lets us unite against this evil.

Idiotic Idea. Before you get to publish any article advocating redrawing borders on such a scale you should have to pass a test.
You have 60 minutes to fill a small car with your family and as many belongings as you can fit, anything that does not fit must be left behind forever, including any savings in any bank. You must then cross the border and make a new life in a different country.
If you are successful, you get to publish the article.

memento mori

Rote is a total nutcase, sometime I wish I would be smoking the same thing as he in the freezing slums of Russia.

*** 100 m2 in the center of Moscow would cost much more than your dan.


And by the way, my parents come both from Middle Albania and my paternal haplogroup is E1b1b1c1 (E-M34) exactly same as Napoleon Buonaparte, go figure!

*** Napoleon was a mysterious figure with lot's of questions still hanging. Besides his name smells Russian because he has never been to Napoli (= Habsburg = Novgorod) while the real great was Napoleon III ...

*** As for the E1b1b1c1 happlogroup it is Semite and thus can quite be Shqiptar, Greek, Turkish or even Ashkenazy Jewish. Shqiptars must have been warriors of the White Horde but they could merely play a significant role during the empire. Unlike the Slavs and the Turkic people (who in a great degree were Slavs too) the Shqiptars left no footprints anywhere on this planet. So sit where you are and do not jump.

(Ari Gold, 21 December 2016 14:11)you cant read ?it says RS and Montenegro to Serbia and that little part of Montenegro to Albania,,,,,open your eyes......the eastern Slavonia part of Croatia to go to Serbia they should have put also.........

To Late !.

The Borders will be Redrawn through War again.

Arn.Sweden.

Without going into any historical analysis, there is no way that Albanians are of the European origins. They probably came with Ottomans like current Macedonian and would like to claim from whoever was there as their heritage.
Looking how many Albanians are involved in Syrian Civil War tell us that deep down in their gens they know where they came from...

This is interesting and here is what I think would be fair borders:
Greece: to get modern south Albania and Istambul
Serbia: Drim valley aka south Kosovo and Metohija, Serbian republic, Montenegro, and cost of Dalmatia to Split and parts of Slavonia and Krajina
Macedonia: east Albania
Albania: etnic, historical central Albania
Bosnia: central Bosnia

That would be fair reward for all nations in region according to their contribution in history.

so peter the rocky, your celebrating that albanian (illyrian's) kidnapped and raped serbian women in your nationaly's past?

Go ahead and ask grandma for she has ever met an Albanian man before & glaze into her eyes when she responds! If your gifted with insight into a woman her eyes will tell you all she need not say 1word!!!
Also, Your current prime ministers father is said to be an Albanian from The Republic Of Kosovo!
(Peter The Rocky, 21 December 2016 17:11)

Im gifted with insight and I can tell that you are off your rocker.

This "article", and I deliberately put this thing in quotes, is something that pops up around various Foreign Affairs, Economists, and STRATFORs every year or two from no-name authors who recycle the same Robert Kaplan-type drivel about ancient hatreds, embedded nationalisms, and enduring conflicts with their neighbors, while predictably calling for border redrawing that should solve everyone's problem, even though the audience these articles are written for are those that felt justified in redrawing the borders to their current state in the 1990s.

While there are many problems with these "articles", the worst is that it seems to placate the views and aspirations of the most extremist and most peripheral political parties in each country and territory, most of which are minor and irrelevant politically, and seem to be followed by the stereotypical keyboard warrior of the Diaspora on news portals like this.

The moral of the story is usually the same: tiny runt states and statelets shouldn't exist and need to be absorbed into bigger ones, despite the biggest one being encouraged to collapse and fragment by the very same Western powers 25 years ago.

I have no idea who Timothy Less is, but I assume his knowledge of the Balkans comes from drive-by articles as sophisticated and developed as the one he seemed to write in one draft.

Dwight,
that's bunch of baloney and you know it.

Even Victoria Nuland recently said in Belgrade that US has invested a lot into Kosovo's independence in last 20 years. When she was asked - "We thought that you were supporting Serbia's integrity in 1996" she said that they always did - but without Kosovo!
As everyone with gram of brain didn't know that already!

" Western policy is that minorities rights are protected and large minorities may have a form of self-determination within the state. "

Lie!

Rights of minorities are specified by OSCE rules. Albanians had right to use Albanian language, while Serbian language and Cyrillic letters were banned in Croatia in 1990!

Which minority has more rights - one that can't even use it's own language and protect it's heritage or one that can?

"No-one in the West advocated independence for Kosovo until Serbian government policy became ethnic cleansing and execution of civilians."

Not openly advocated but supported by all means.

Ethnic cleansing of Krajina and execution of civilians didn't happen?

To free Kurdistan.
I Quote You.

"I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.
(shkipkurd, 22 December 2016 06:52)

You think? Don't think try to learn, just be so kind to check out and then show to us the result. Because i think you are too ignorant to start learn both of languages, to understand how ignorant you are.
(Free Kurdistan, 22 December 2016 11:47" End of Quote.

Comment - Kurdistan You are absolute Right.

The Kurdish People are of Median Decent.

Genesis chapter 10 vers .

2 The sons of Japheth: Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.'

Japheth is the Forefather of all Indoeuropean Descent.

Tiras - Compare Tiraspol,Tirana.
Madai - Compare "Kurrimittanni"(Kurdistan-Media) - the old name of Media, todays Kurdistan,

Arn. Sweden.

These countries can hardly afford the territory they have now much less expand it and have more people to take care of. Plus people will become even more depressed once they figure out that personal happiness can't be created by re-drawing political borders. The only thing that will change is that you won't have the other nationality to blame for not having a job or food to eat.

Lol.. so all this goes down and Bosnia only gets Sarajevo?? I don't think that will sit well.

I think the truth will come from genetics. As more and more people have their DNA sequenced, we will be able to know better about our origins.
Rote is a total nutcase, sometime I wish I would be smoking the same thing as he in the freezing slums of Russia.
The most serious research today on genes, language and populations is done by Cavalli-Sforza at Stanford University in California. They seem to be the authority on this matter and they place the Albanian language at the root of all European languages having appeared around 8 to 9 thousand years ago with Greek language appearing only around 4 to 5 thousand years ago. (get the book on amazon.com, it is pure scientific research without grandfather tales)
http://tinyurl.com/ogth7v5
And by the way, my parents come both from Middle Albania and my paternal haplogroup is E1b1b1c1 (E-M34) exactly same as Napoleon Buonaparte, go figure!

I think Albanian is a dialect from a Kurdish branch.
(shkipkurd, 22 December 2016 06:52)

You think? Don't think try to learn, just be so kind to check out and then show to us the result. Because i think you are too ignorant to start learn both of languages, to understand how ignorant you are.

and compare Magog vs Geg

Peace on Balcan will come when the Balcan people will peacefully decide together their own borders accepted from all sides. Yes it sounds like a utopia now but time heals any past wounds and it will happen. Important is the fact that both big brothers (Russia and USS) dont put their nouse on it. Its important Balcan has new more pure ethnic states as its clear nowdays the western dream if multiethnical states hasnt and wont work for a long time. Yes at the end none between Serbs, Croatians, Albanians will archive 100℅ of its historical dreams but still in a big ℅ borders can be set accordingly if all sides discuss together and look toward the future generation.