1. Factman or rather man of many false facts:

    Visit the official ICTY website:
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    and scroll down to Bosnia and you will find the following quote:

    "The single worst atrocity of the war occurred in the summer of 1995 when the Bosnian town of Srebrenica, a UN-declared safe area, came under attack by forces lead by the Bosnian Serb commander Ratko Mladić. During a few days in early July, more than 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys were executed by Serb forces in an act of genocide. The rest of the town’s women and children were driven out."

    Now care to revise your false and misleading statement:

    8,000 were not executed.

    Nowhere, not even in the ICTY trials does it say this.

    Approximately 50% of this number were killed in a forest firefight where they were surrounded. One sided fight? Yes. Genocide? No.
    (just a note, 23 June 2015 06:25)

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  2. Reader,

    8,000 were not executed.

    Nowhere, not even in the ICTY trials does it say this.

    Approximately 50% of this number were killed in a forest firefight where they were surrounded. One sided fight? Yes. Genocide? No. They were armed combatants fleeing Mladic's "payback" for gruesome rampages against Serb civilains around Stebrenica. Nasty? Yes. Genocide? No.

    Approximately 20% of this number may not even have existed. Its unknown.
    (factman, 22 June 2015 04:46)

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  3. 8000 people were killed in 3 days. If one stops for a moment and thinks about the psyche of who can do that, of the kind of people that can go on for three days just killing and killing and killing, it should be clear that, had they had the means to do it on an industrial scale, like Nazi Germany during WWII, they would not have hesitated. In fact, the gas chambers of WWII were built only to make the killing more efficient because the troops of the Nazi Eisatzengruppen that were doing the killing in eastern Europe at the beginning of the war (with bullets and other sadistic means, exactly like in Srebrenica) got tired and sick of the blood and gore after the first million kills.

    About the director of the Wiesenthal center, I understand his perspective. Nothing can be compared with the holocaust. And he says so himself when he says that even Rwanda was different. And I agree with him. But nobody is comparing Srebrenica with the holocaust (unless the Politika journalists asked him that kind of question on purpose). They were both genocides, though. On different scales.
    (Reader, 21 June 2015 21:04)

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  4. The ICTY did not rule that 8000 were 'executed' - unfortunately something which more and more are repeating in the hope that it is true. Please feel free to prove me wrong by posting from the official, ICTY text. You won't find it though. Deuteche Welle repeated this lie recently too in one of their pieces, but that's journalists who can't be bothered to do the basics of their own job.

    Most of them were soldiers or of military age (that fits the US definition of 'enemy combatant') and soldiers of the ArBiH as is recognized by the head of the missing persons and book of the dead project in Sarajevo, Mirsad Tokaca.

    The ICTY proved and provided no evidence of 'intent' - it was inferred and based on hearsay and third hand opinion instead. The ICJ did not find the same as the ICTY either.

    They were men of military age, clearly not women or children.

    Go read the Krstic ruling for yourselves. The second later ruling only confirmed the first one. It did not look in to the so-called evidence again in any detail at all.

    The bar was set so low that the judges only had to have one drink to go over it. General legal opinion after the ruling neither agreed wholly or fully with the judgement.

    And some still want to compare this to the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, Rwanda and others. Who needs facts when only opinions and feelings count in these fluffy liberal days?
    (Enough Already, 20 June 2015 00:08)

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  5. Yes, and the ICJ ruled it was a genocide. Without a doubt the 8.000 executed Bosnians are another scale than 800.000 murdered people in Ruanda, or the 5-6 millions victims of the holocaust, but still calling the biggest massacre in Europe after WW2 a 'crime' (like Nikolic does) is downplaying and ignoring the ethnically motivated reasons, which makes it a genocide.
    (Comm. Parrisson, 18 June 2015 11:56)
    While I disagree with most of what you put on here, I think you hit the nail on the head here. It is not the numbers, and I really do not think whatever name is given to it is important.
    The fact is it was an attempt to cleanse an ethnic group from the area, it was a horrendous crime, and its memory should be preserved to prevent it ever recurring again.
    People have to remember that the Holocaust took years to work up to and then happened over 5 years. The fear which I think is very real was that Srebrenica was only the beginning!
    (a New day, 19 June 2015 04:01)

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  6. @Roberto

    Chetniks are not the Fascists. Chetniks never were and will never be the Fascists.

    Serbs are not the Fascists. So therefore there is no such thing as Serbian Fascists.

    There is no such thing as Serbian Fascists. Serbs are not Fascists. You should stop insulting Serbs on Serbian Website.

    Chetniks have nothing to do with this subject.
    (Pavle, 19 June 2015 02:01)

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  7. oh roberto, poor poor roberto. How did I know you'd actually sink so low as to now attack Zuroff, the head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and someone with a better understanding of the term "genocide" than you, as an agent for the Serb propaganda machine you think exists.

    And to provide "evidence" with your own trolling too! As if anyone around here other than rabid Albanian nationalists take anything you say seriously!

    You truly have lost whatever shreds of respect and credibility you had. Whatever happened to you personally in life by a Serb seems equivalent to Hitler getting rejected from the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna.
    (frisco watch, 18 June 2015 16:52)

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  8. "Robert Leonard Rope works as an educator and independent journalist."

    In actuality, roberto is just a lonely and aging middle school teacher who pathetically resorts to self-promotion.

    Dr. Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center office in Jerusalem, is not some wanna-be schmuck who spends his life holed up in an apartment behind a computer screen.
    (Roger7, 18 June 2015 14:13)

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  9. 'Nazi-hunter' Ephraim Zufoff has become a cheap shill for the Chetniks (Serbian fascists) - here is my response to him:
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    Just like Robert Leonard Rope is for the Muslims.
    What makes this man any more credible than Efraim?
    (Peggy, 18 June 2015 12:37)

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  10. (like Nikolic does) is downplaying and ignoring the ethnically motivated reasons, which makes it a genocide.
    (Comm. Parrisson, 18 June 2015 11:56)
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    So you disagree with Efraim. I guess you are more qualified to know than he is.
    (Peggy, 18 June 2015 12:30)

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  11. "So we can't call large scale stinking murder genocide?
    Why is that? To keep a few bigoted Serbian nationalists happy? "

    Grow up. This was stinking large scale murder that has belittled the good name of Serbians. It is not so different from genocide on any definition."
    (Bob, 18 June 2015 00:30)

    Yes, and the ICJ ruled it was a genocide. Without a doubt the 8.000 executed Bosnians are another scale than 800.000 murdered people in Ruanda, or the 5-6 millions victims of the holocaust, but still calling the biggest massacre in Europe after WW2 a 'crime' (like Nikolic does) is downplaying and ignoring the ethnically motivated reasons, which makes it a genocide.
    (Comm. Parrisson, 18 June 2015 11:56)

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  12. Where are the genocide "parrots" from last week, this week, and all the articles on this site today?

    How about Roberto?

    Wait! I have an idea. Lets call this man a fascist too. Lets label him a genocide denier and use the word Milosevic and Seslej in the same sentence.

    Lets make up some more fu$&cking bu$$hit that we can spout out to the world so we can get what we want.

    Hilarious. I'd cry if it wasn't all so absurd.

    Enough of this bul$$hit. Time to stand up big and loud.

    Fight political absurdity with even greater absurdity.

    Do not be so compliant. They have no respect for you. Be contrarian. Drive a hard bargain.

    Veto this noise and then have Dodik call a referendum on Monday in Banja Luka.

    You cant have it both ways. They are making it impossible to live with them.

    Be brief. Be bold. Be gone.

    Bye Bye Bosnia.
    (fact, 18 June 2015 02:21)

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  13. 'Nazi-hunter' Ephraim Zufoff has become a cheap shill for the Chetniks (Serbian fascists) - here is my response to him:

    [link] (click on "Sarajevo mon Amour")
    (roberto, 18 June 2015 01:17)

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  14. So we can't call large scale stinking murder genocide?

    Why is that?

    To keep a few bigoted Serbian nationalists happy?

    Grow up. This was stinking large scale murder that has belittled the good name of Serbians.

    It is not so different from genocide on any definition.
    (Bob, 18 June 2015 00:30)

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  15. And here I always thought Ari Gold was the only "normal" person in the world?
    (Azir, 17 June 2015 21:36)

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  16. Well, it's an absurd resolution draft...
    (Balkan Anthropologist, 17 June 2015 20:49)

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  17. Serbia needs to send a strong message to the UN against this very British farce. Vucic need not bother suggesting amendments just re-iterate the stupidity of the West via this British led absurdity of politisicing one of what was many many tragic events committed by all sides in this sad civil war across former Yugoslavia. Illuminate the tragic events that occurred across former Yugoslavia should not be utilised to point fingers and demonise one peoples in a civil war and do we really wish to bring this before UN while thus diminishing the true meaning and tragedy of genocide.
    (Principa, 17 June 2015 19:48)

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  18. THANK YOU! There are still normal people on this planet after all!
    (Ari Gold, 17 June 2015 19:22)

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