1. Here is my prediction. Tenth round fails.
    (sj, 19 April 2013 12:43)

    Here is my prediction: sj's prediction fail.
    (The Count of Kosova, 19 April 2013 18:41)

    sj is the CE of the B92 forums and sj's predictions never fail. You just need to be part of sj's reality.

    P.S. CE = Chief Economist
    (icj1, 21 April 2013 04:03)

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  2. Daniel, if they sign off on this what else would you call it?
    All institutions are to be run by Kosovo law not Serbia's law. Serbia will not block Kosovo from getting memberships in international institutions but will not stand in the way either. Same thing.
    If the people of Serbia don't object to this Serbia has recognised Kosovo. Just because it doesn't state that in those words exactly, Serbia has recognised Kosovo.
    There is more than one way to skin the cat and this is it.
    (Peggy, 20 April 2013 04:20)

    It basically means the same and here is Serbia thinking she scored some victory.
    If they are not allowed to block then they are not allowed to stand in the way too.
    If the citizens of Serbia think they are getting a good deal here then they are really very stupid.
    (Peggy, 20 April 2013 04:14)

    Wooow, Peggy started to see the reality and doesn't want to become part of denial games :).... I must congratulate you for the progress.
    (icj1, 21 April 2013 03:58)

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  3. the earth has a better chance of blowing up at this very minute than kosovo does of ever becoming independent or becoming a member of the eu/un
    (Aleks, 20 April 2013 06:32)

    Of course. The Serbian army and police control Kosovo. We see them every day in Pristina and all over Kosovo and Kosovo does as Serbia government’s decides. Kosovo is indeed under Serbia’s control :). I hope the above creates a reality that fits your immagination so now you can sleep in peace.
    (icj1, 21 April 2013 03:54)

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  4. this was clever maneuvering by serbia by saying that "we wont obstruct kosovo's eu integration" but whats to stop them from asking one of the five eu members that don't recognize kosovo from doing so ...
    (Aleks, 20 April 2013 06:32)

    Vert clever, indeed :) And what’s to stop those five EU members from telling Serbia if you don’t oppose Kosovo’s EU membership why should we do it for you ?! You guys speak as if you are the masters of the universe and you can order sovereign countries to do what you tell them :)
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    the five eu countries will never allow kosovo to join the eu as a seperate entity because of their own separatist problems so serbia is covered there ...
    (Aleks, 20 April 2013 06:32)

    The five EU countries have never said that but I love it when Serbs speak for other countries as almost always they are proved wrong - just look at Vuk stellar record in that regard :)
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    and if you didnt know you have to be a member of the un to join the eu or any other organization/international organization
    (Aleks, 20 April 2013 06:32)

    The ignorance (or denial) knows no limits :) The EU treaties (disclaimer: I’m referring to the English version not the Serbian one) don’t require UN membership. The same is true with many other international organizations. For example, even though you might not know, Kosovo is already a member of World Bank and IMF, regardless of not being a member of UN.
    (icj1, 21 April 2013 03:52)

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  5. The smile has been wiped off Taci's face, but this development shouldn't be a surprise. Kosovo has (and has demonstrated) tendency towards becoming a part of the "Greater Albania" project...I guess this is how the story ends. I guess this is a part of a bigger deal for Taci... sign this and we will let you carry on with your UNION thing...Serbia had it's share of losing in this game and I believe the new government is ready for some new development directions, free of historic burdens and wrong politics legacy.
    (Informant, 20 April 2013 13:04)

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  6. @Brian

    you simply do not understand do you brian, serbia hasn't recognized kosovo nor will it ever ... this was clever maneuvering by serbia by saying that "we wont obstruct kosovo's eu integration" but whats to stop them from asking one of the five eu members that don't recognize kosovo from doing so ... the five eu countries will never allow kosovo to join the eu as a seperate entity because of their own separatist problems so serbia is covered there ... and if you didnt know you have to be a member of the un to join the eu or any other organization/international organization and serbia is covered in the un with both cina's and russia's veto ... the fact of the matter is even if this agreement goes through kosovo will remain in limbo/stalemate ... the earth has a better chance of blowing up at this very minute than kosovo does of ever becoming independent or becoming a member of the eu/un
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  7. When will u realize that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo independent?HOw many times does it need to be said for you to understand that?Serbia has not and will not recognize any independence.
    (Daniel, 19 April 2013 19:18)
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    Daniel, if they sign off on this what else would you call it?
    All institutions are to be run by Kosovo law not Serbia's law. Serbia will not block Kosovo from getting memberships in international institutions but will not stand in the way either. Same thing.
    If the people of Serbia don't object to this Serbia has recognised Kosovo. Just because it doesn't state that in those words exactly, Serbia has recognised Kosovo.
    There is more than one way to skin the cat and this is it.
    (Peggy, 20 April 2013 04:20)

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  8. So what exactly is the difference between blocking a membership to something and standing in the way of it?
    It basically means the same and here is Serbia thinking she scored some victory.
    If they are not allowed to block then they are not allowed to stand in the way too.
    If the citizens of Serbia think they are getting a good deal here then they are really very stupid.
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  9. I'm surprised Thaci caved in, but then again I'm not. This is the end of Kosovo as it was known yesterday. In a few years the North will go to serbia and the rest to Albania which I believe was the final design anyway. This was the only benefit, the way I see it, to why Thaci capitulated. Europe and the US must have given him the green light that if he signs this deal, they will not interfere with a union with Albania. It will bring more stability to the region. serbia pulled this one off with threats and politics which has been its trademark for over 100 years. They are the best at it. So even though serbia always loses militarily after invading, they end up negotiating 10% to 50% of the territory. What serbia manages to achieve with threats and politics should be in textbooks. serbia invested a lot of time and money in this and from having nothing, they ended up with something that they can still call Kosovo and now call it it their own. Lets review. serbia lost to NATO and KLA, but ends up with northern Kosovo, recall that Kosovo was an autonomous region of former yugoslavia. serbia gets all of Vojvodina (also another former autonomous region) and 50% of Bosnia after losing to Croatia. serbia loses nothing. serbia wins folks, never with their fists, but they cry louder than the best of them. Good bye Kosovo and congratulations to serbia and Albania! slobo is happy.
    (King Damir, 20 April 2013 04:14)

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  10. Traitor. Dacic is doomed.
    (b, 20 April 2013 02:50)

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  11. Here is my prediction. Tenth round fails.
    (sj, 19 April 2013 12:43

    Don’t be a pessimist. We should hope for the best. Serbs will do everything, but recognize Kosovo. I think that is more than enough for EU.
    (Monika, 20 April 2013 00:11)

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  12. Under the circumstances it is pretty good deal for Serbia. Serbs are relatively well protected while there is no (direct) recognition of Kosovo from Serbian side. It is nice touch that point 14 refers only to EU integration. This looks like relationship between China and Taiwan; this is the maximum that Serbia could get.
    (Kiza, 19 April 2013 22:54)

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  13. This is not the final version, and not he final agreement, whatsoever. There's definitely much to say on both sides, but I have trust when it comes to our negotiation team..who knows what will come of it...
    (Mockingbird, 19 April 2013 22:51)

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  14. @Kosovaaah: Your are right as rain. I do not know what is with some Serbs claiming that Kosovo is not a major world power? It is obvious that even USA (not to mention EU) has to do what Kosovo tells them to do. Only for political reasons Kosovo is not yet G-7, but it will be very soon.
    (Milojko, 19 April 2013 15:17)

    I want to thank you for making me laugh. Now I know who actually has all the power. Kosovo deserves to get a chair in UN actually… more of a booster seat.
    (Victor, 19 April 2013 22:28)

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  15. Went to b92 srpski to sense the mood among the commentators, and guess what, not a single negative comment, everyone was happy with the agreement saying things like "čestitke" or congratulations and things like "time to move" on and "now we and albanians have become europeans". Wonderful!
    (Walters, 19 April 2013 21:40)

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  16. I understand Serb politicians notion which is : Take ,take ,take but give nothing back ,what an arrogance.
    (kosovaaah, 19 April 2013 11:57)

    What to give when you already took what is not yours. We could only get it back, my dear whoever you are.
    (EJB, 19 April 2013 21:22)

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  17. Thachi shouldn’t hope that Serbia will recognize Kosovo. It will never happen. Agreement means that Serbia wants to show that we are not stubborn and that we will do our best to make life for Serbs in Kosovo bearable.
    (Villy, 19 April 2013 20:28)

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  18. Its a sad day both for albanians and serbs. Imagine some years ago western people had to seek visa to get into Yugoslavia and today they decide about what serbians and albanian can do. While albanian went out to fight for freedom, they ended up becoming an EU province. In every age albanians have song about their heroes but from this day there will be traitors aswell...
    (kastriot, 19 April 2013 20:06)

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  19. Initial doesn’t mean final. We should be patient, and wait to see what will come out of it.
    (Mary, 19 April 2013 20:05)

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  20. [link],
    On April 19,2013 Serbia recognized Kosovo independence,

    This is shameful,Kosovo is Serbia,Serbia should have never recognize Kosovo by withdrawing from it,Serbia have Russia as a solution and not the EU(NATO).
    (Anonymous, 19 April 2013 19:59)

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  21. The NATO Secretary General earlier on today:
    "I congratulate all parties for their constructive approach to finding a lasting solution in the dialogue between Belgrade and Pristina. And I commend Baroness Ashton for helping them find a mutually beneficial outcome.
    I am very happy for NATO to contribute to the conclusion of an historic agreement."

    Which means: And if you Serbs don't behave we will bomb you off the face of the earth! Or send in our German friends to "educate" you in "holiday" camps...

    I am disgusted at the audacity of this NATO murderer - he should go to hell along with Ashton. Both are a waste of public money and time.

    Be watchful Serbia: Brussels, Berlin and especially Pristina are not to be trusted.
    (Tony (in Berlin), 19 April 2013 19:49)

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  22. Daniel read what is in the agreement. Serbia and Kosovo in the EU is not Serbia recognizing Kosovo independence? Serbia has absolutely no objections to Kosovo being an independent nation. That is recognition of independence in every way imaginable.
    (Brian, 19 April 2013 19:49)

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  23. Albanians got everything they want and more. A total dream agreement. Total recognition of Kosovo independence from Serbia.
    (Brian, 19 April 2013 19:35)

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  24. Eu and UN are for jndependent nations and Serbia is now ok with Kosovo being both? So when is Serbia going to remove kosovo from it's constitution? It has completely recognized Kosovo independence
    (Brian, 19 April 2013 18:29)

    When will u realize that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo independent?HOw many times does it need to be said for you to understand that?Serbia has not and will not recognize any independence.
    (Daniel, 19 April 2013 19:18)

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  25. Congratulations to both. I hope Serbs ha relised so they can live in peace in Kosovo.

    @ Winston, you can come to Kosovo with a t-shirt saying I love Serbia, if you can guarantee me i can have my t-shirt saying "I love Kosovo" while walking in Beograd streets.
    (DardaniaUSAlbania, 19 April 2013 19:11)

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  26. This is the agreement according to Kosovo newspaper Express:
    First Agreement of Principles Governing the Normalization of Relations

    1. There will be an Association/Community of Serb majority municipalities in Kosovo. Membership will be open to any other municipality provided the members are in agreement.

    2. The Community/Association will be created by statute. Its dissolution shall only take place by a decision of the participating municipalities. Legal guarantees will be provided by applicable law and constitutional law (including the 2/3 majority rule).

    3. The structures of the Association/Community will be established on the same basis as the existing statute of the Association of Kosovo municipalities e.g. President, vice President, Assembly, Council.

    4. In accordance with the competences given by the European Charter of Local Self Government and Kosovo law the participating municipalities shall be entitled to cooperate in exercising their powers through the Community/Association collectively. The Association/Community will have full overview of the areas of economic development, education, health, urban and rural planning.

    5. The Association/Community will exercise other additional competences as may be delegated by the central authorities.
    (nik, 19 April 2013 19:05)

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  27. Thaci capitulated. No Albanians in the north and no Kosovo in the UN. Total victory for Serbia.
    (Navi, 19 April 2013 19:02)

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  28. Beyond its own police and appeal court, there is none of the autonomy that Serbia had originally been demanding as part of the talks, the BBC's Guy Delaunay reports from the Serbian capital Belgrade.

    Serbia got what EU and USA has put down on paper.
    (Agim Kelmendi, 19 April 2013 18:59)

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  29. The Serbs in North Kosova are putting up barricades as we speak. We all know what that indicates. I doubt Vulin will be able to set foot in the North ever again. Heads will roll in Belgrade.
    (The Count of Kosova, 19 April 2013 18:55)

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  30. Encouraging news from Brussels. I think overall it will be a good compromise. Hash not getting his hands on the North while the Serbs get to keep their piece. Now when all this is signed and done, President Nikolic and PM Dacic can get on with trying to improve all of our lives. Here's hoping.
    (Bekim_Novi Sad, 19 April 2013 17:25)


    But,they still would not be able to come to visit Kosova, without the permission from Prishtina. Good luck with your lovely agreement.
    (Ardi Asllani, 19 April 2013 18:52)

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  31. "All suggestions made by Serbia have been accepted, I initialed that this is the proposal of the text, on whose adoption or rejection both sides will declare themselves in the coming days, " Ivica Dačić has told reporters.

    Thank god.After the ICJ verdict this is another diplomatic victory for Serbia. The West and the Albanians gave up and accepted ALL the suggestions made by Serbia. So serbs please no more complaining about the EU and the Americans. You got what you wanted.
    (Mark, 19 April 2013 18:46)

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  32. Here is my prediction. Tenth round fails.
    (sj, 19 April 2013 12:43)

    Here is my prediction: sj's prediction fail.
    (The Count of Kosova, 19 April 2013 18:41)

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  33. Eu and UN are for jndependent nations and Serbia is now ok with Kosovo being both? So when is Serbia going to remove kosovo from it's constitution? It has completely recognized Kosovo independence
    (Brian, 19 April 2013 18:29)

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  34. @SJ,

    As usual wrong again, the deal is done. Congratulations on both sides.
    (Mendo, 19 April 2013 18:20)

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  35. @Kosovaaah: I am really glad that you are so happy with the agreement. I do hope that it will bring you a better life. All the best.
    (Ludi) Milojko
    (Milojko, 19 April 2013 18:09)

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  36. Congratulations Serbia.
    (tm, 19 April 2013 18:01)

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  37. Serbia will say no to the US, Germany and Thaci.
    (Another Canadian Serb, 19 April 2013 14:04)


    Apparently they said YES. Forget what Vucic said that; All Serb demnads were met. It's a big lie, and you all will find out when the text of agreement is published in English version, and not Serbian version translated to their liking.
    (Ardi Asllani, 19 April 2013 17:58)

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  38. I hope this improves the quality of life for all people in the region. Kosovo and Serbia still need to discuss lots of non-politic issues, such as co-operation in the event of a natural disaster or epidemic/ endemic in the region. However this is a good start.
    (Ian, UK, 19 April 2013 17:43)

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  39. Congratulations Serbia
    (tm, 19 April 2013 17:27)

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  40. Encouraging news from Brussels. I think overall it will be a good compromise. Hash not getting his hands on the North while the Serbs get to keep their piece. Now when all this is signed and done, President Nikolic and PM Dacic can get on with trying to improve all of our lives. Here's hoping.
    (Bekim_Novi Sad, 19 April 2013 17:25)

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  41. If they reach today an initial agreement it will take more time to agree on everything and finally found. See you next week.
    (Kate, 19 April 2013 17:23)

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  42. YESS!! LET'S HAVE A TOAST!!
    (MARKO, 19 April 2013 17:16)

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  43. Congrats to all! this will make life better for all involved.
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  44. Just read that the two sides have initialed an agreement. Congratulations to both, and hope they don't get cold feet before the formal signing. It appears there was some give and take, but who cares, as long as some agreement has been reached. many things will play out in weeks, months, and years to come on the ground in Kosovo which will be the real solution, but this political agreement is a big step forward. I congratulate both sides for their efforts, and their for their common sense ability to respond to demands from the West. Does this mean I can go to Pristina with an "I love Serbia" t-shirt now, and not be harassed, or worse?
    (winston, 19 April 2013 17:11)

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  45. Zoki, LOL
    (yankee, 19 April 2013 17:09)

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  46. Serbia is sick and tired of north Kosovo Serbs. As Vuk Draskovic once said "Serbia can't be held hostage by a bunch of Kosovo Serbs".
    (Avni, 19 April 2013 17:06)

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  47. Well, there it is, we have put the nasty past behind us and can look forward to a better future.

    Hopefully
    (Cong Ratulations, 19 April 2013 16:52)

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  48. @Kosovaaah: Your are right as rain. I do not know what is with some Serbs claiming that Kosovo is not a major world power? It is obvious that even USA (not to mention EU) has to do what Kosovo tells them to do. Only for political reasons Kosovo is not yet G-7, but it will be very soon.
    (Milojko, 19 April 2013 15:17)

    I barely sense your sarcasm ,but you're improving .Anyways WOW ,Kosovo=major world power ??That is unheard of . But hey roses are red violets are blue Albanians are deciders but so are you .
    (Kosovaaah, 19 April 2013 16:39)

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  49. @Kosovaaah: Your are right as rain. I do not know what is with some Serbs claiming that Kosovo is not a major world power? It is obvious that even USA (not to mention EU) has to do what Kosovo tells them to do. Only for political reasons Kosovo is not yet G-7, but it will be very soon.
    (Milojko, 19 April 2013 15:17)

    How can you something like that? You never know what is going to happen with EU, USA, KOSOVO, maybe and Serbs have some secret help or plan ;)
    (Andjelija, 19 April 2013 16:01)

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  50. 10th round will fail. So will 11th, 12th, 13th, etc.
    This will drag on for some time. Serbs will tire of this charade and will demand that an agreement be signed so they can resume will their lives.

    You keep people on edge for a long time until they can't take it anymore.
    Any deal will eventually be welcome by the Serbs.
    (cry me a river, 19 April 2013 15:38)

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  51. @Kosovaaah: Your are right as rain. I do not know what is with some Serbs claiming that Kosovo is not a major world power? It is obvious that even USA (not to mention EU) has to do what Kosovo tells them to do. Only for political reasons Kosovo is not yet G-7, but it will be very soon.
    (Milojko, 19 April 2013 15:17)

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  52. You acknowledge point 14 or no deal. We are ready for both outcomes and prepared if this new Z4 plan kicks in or fails.
    (John, 19 April 2013 13:20)

    You are not in a position to demand anything, this is a negotiation between Eu and Serbia who the hell cares about the albanian opinion?

    LOL your funny ,contrary to popular belief Albanians have an opinion or rather big one but you don't need eyes to ears to witness that .Let me demonstrate it to you :

    Dacic: We want to rule over the north KOSOVA
    ASHTON: oK, that can be arranged but first let me ask the Albanians
    ALBANIANS: NOPE, NEVER
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  53. You are not in a position to demand anything, this is a negotiation between Eu and Serbia who the hell cares about the albanian opinion?
    (Daniel, 19 April 2013 14:04
    Funny, whether you want to call it EU, EU/Kosovo, or Kosovo negotiating with Serbia (or demanding what Serbia must agree to in order to get into the EU makes no difference it is the same position and apparently no one cares what the Serbian opinions are just simple yes or no, take it or leave it.
    (think again, 19 April 2013 14:29)

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  54. Serbia will say no to the US, Germany and Thaci.
    (Another Canadian Serb, 19 April 2013 14:04)

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  55. You acknowledge point 14 or no deal. We are ready for both outcomes and prepared if this new Z4 plan kicks in or fails.
    (John, 19 April 2013 13:20)

    You are not in a position to demand anything, this is a negotiation between Eu and Serbia who the hell cares about the albanian opinion?
    (Daniel, 19 April 2013 14:04)

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  56. I understand Serb politicians notion which is : Take ,take ,take but give nothing back ,what an arrogance.
    (kosovaaah, 19 April 2013 11:57)

    You are the ones taking serbian territory and giving ABSOLUTELY ZERO, NOTHING. Go back to koha ditore and spew ur arrogance and propaganda
    (Daniel, 19 April 2013 13:33)

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  57. You acknowledge point 14 or no deal. We are ready for both outcomes and prepared if this new Z4 plan kicks in or fails.
    (John, 19 April 2013 13:20)

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  58. Here is my prediction. Tenth round fails.
    (sj, 19 April 2013 12:43)

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  59. Just say ,No !!! Don't forget what's been in the media," Tachi and his people received support from Bin Laden and his followers."
    (Diogenies, 19 April 2013 12:30)

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  60. I understand Serb politicians notion which is : Take ,take ,take but give nothing back ,what an arrogance.
    (kosovaaah, 19 April 2013 11:57)

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  61. Western-Easte
    “High noon?”But instead of Gary Cooper and Ian MacDonald there will be Vucic and Tachi. Sorry Catherine, for not comparing you to Grace Kelly.
    (Western-Eastern, 19 April 2013 11:23)

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  62. We all hope that Serbian and Albanian delegation would find a proper way to sign an agreement which will satisfied the both parts.
    (Andjelija, 19 April 2013 11:22)

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  63. After today and full integration of Kosovo into Serbia, Hashim Thaci will most likely take over as Serbian PM and reshuffle the government. I look forward seeing Ramus as a Serbian Minister of Defence and Agim as a Serbian Minister of Internal Affairs.
    (Zoki, 19 April 2013 10:26)

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