1. njegos, Albanian ancestors intermingled with various different peoples throughout history, all the way from Thracians/ Dacians, Hellens, Latins, Celts, Goths, etc. but i'm not sure what your point is. do you think Serbs are some purebred race or something? no, serbian ancestors also assimilated and intermingled with various different peoples such as Slavs, Avars, Huns, Turks, and other ethnic groups.

    Albanians just so happened to be able to preserve their ancient language from their primary ancestor. whats the big deal
    (Dardania'Alb, 16 April 2019 15:56)

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  2. njegos, what crazy statements? that serbia did worse to Albanians that what NATO did to serbia? do you have any kind of knowledge for what happened during the yugoslav wars and the conflict in kosova, that you need someone to hold your hand to read up on wikipedia links, history books, videos and testimonies? serbia used tanks and heavy ground and air weapons that nato never used. there is nothing crazy about that statement. serbs used over 50,000 troops, police and paramilitary military against a much smaller force, and then they themselves couldn't even put up with 78 days of bombing. are you denying the fact that milosevic was bombing Albanians for longer than 78 days? i mean really what are we talking about here.
    (Dardania'Alb, 16 April 2019 14:47)

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  3. M,
    My conlusion is based on data, the book Kosare Altari i Liris from Bahri Gashi. Also my conlcusion is baswd on the many acounts from the people who were there and fught.
    I think you refer to wikipedia, where most of the facts there are exagerated e.g. serbs brought in there tanks and 10 0000 tropps.
    There is a documentary made in Serbia from RTS.. in Serbian Ratne lrice sa kosare. I dont understand but if you watch it youll see some of the problems VJ was facing there.
    Apparntly serb gov has tried to stop being made avilable to punlic.
    (Pemi, 15 April 2019 17:18)

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  4. From Dard: "...you don't admit that what serbia was doing to Albanians was 10xs worse than 78 days of nato bombing. Albanians never gave up even while they were fighting against a much larger force without nato intervention."

    10x worse than 78 days of NATO bombing?? Again I ask you Dard, please provide some verifiable sources that support your crazy statements. Just because Dardania'Alb said it doesn't mean it's true. You guys come on here with such emotionally inflated and exaggerated claims, yet with no supporting verifiable sources. In a court of law, you would be laughed out of the proceedings. Right now, you're being laughed off of this forum. And you still haven't answered my previous questions that I asked of you. One being, who did your ancestors assimilate with Dard? Still waiting for an answer, and waiting and waiting...
    (njegos, 15 April 2019 17:12)

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  5. njegos, nato didnt use ground troops. your acting like a drama queen and professional victim. especially when you don't admit that what serbia was doing to Albanians was 10xs worse than 78 days of nato bombing. Albanians never gave up even while they were fighting against a much larger force without nato intervention.
    (Dardania'Alb, 15 April 2019 16:27)

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  6. "Again Serbian victory. Line held simple"

    Hold the door, Hodor!
    (Hodor, 11 April 2019 17:03)

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  7. Hey Dard, you made the comment that Serbs shouldn't be making boastful comments about military victories. This is comical coming from someone whose ancestors capitulated to every occupier that crossed their path. Albanians assimilated with the Romans, Venetians, Ottomans and to a large extent the Serbs throughout their history. Why do you think Albanians are 3 different religions? Because they converted every time power changed hands. They did this because it was the easy way out. As a result, you have no history of your own. This is way you're trying to steal Serbian history. Shameful. Please explain why Veseli Kardi goes by a Serbian name? Isn't it embarrassing for you that an Kosovo Albanian governmental official has a Serbian name? I know of several Albanians with vich and ic at the end of their names. No doubt their ancestors chose the easy route of assimilation rather than resistance. Have you researched your family tree Dard? Who did your ancestors assimilate with? LOL
    (njegos, 11 April 2019 16:36)

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  8. From Dardania'Alb: "peggy, nato's role in the kosova conflict is self explanatory. they basically leveled the playing field by reducing serbia's use of heavy weapons against a much smaller force that didnt have tanks and other heavy weapons. nato didnt fight any of the battles on the ground for Albanians. if i was a serb, the kosova conflict would be the last thing i would ever attempt to brag about in terms of military glory."

    More nonsense from Dardania. Even the playing field?? Come on Dard, do you really believe this? NATO bombed Serbia for 78 days. Think about it, 22 highly developed countries using the most sophisticated military airial equipment to bomb Serbia. The goal was not to even the playing field, their goal was to take out Serbia's infrastructure to cripple daily life for Serbs in addition to taking out Serb military installations. NATO's involvement came about as a result of the KLA's ineffectiveness. Spin it any way you want Dard, but you know as well as everyone else, NATO bombs saved your behinds. So much for the Albanian fighting acumen. (More in my next post)
    (njegos, 11 April 2019 16:23)

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  9. Pemi,

    You analysis lacks any evidence and conclusion is weak; for example what advanced weapons were (i assume) the kka using. Where does it say desertions were high?
    The only evidence exists is the first initial outpost was taken early on where the VJ pulled back to more defensible positions, but the line still held. In a typical engagement once a line breaks, it usually results in a massarcre/surrender of the defending force, as they can be attacked from behind or from every direction.

    the line held, and the Vj even managed to bring in tanks and artillary to support the front.

    Towards the end of the war the side attacking was not even the kla, it was the vj.

    Again Serbian victory. Line held simple
    (M, 11 April 2019 16:15)

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  10. Question for Serbs. How come Albanians stole Kosovo when they are Ilirians thus autochthonous there? Thanks
    (Romanian guy, 11 April 2019 16:10)

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  11. The battle was a clear Serbian tactical victory.

    Serbs were defending the border(front)- goal hold the line
    Serbian army held the front for the entire war,
    Albanian goal to break the front, failed as all attacks were contained.

    Serbian victory
    (M, 9 April 2019)

    M , I agree with your analysis! However yes the goal of FARK was to break the defence lines & connect with other fighters in central Kosovo. FARK did broke the first line of defence but not the second line. But I see fighting in Koshare from a different view point.
    Serb army did hold the second line of defence, but towards the end, only just. It was a matter of time before the second line would’ve cracked. The battle caused lots of casualties on JNA resulting in lowering moral and desertion.
    Slobo in Belgrade was no longer smelling paint but rotten eggs. This sped up the Serb capitulation and signing of the agreement.
    For Kosovars Koshare gave them a sense of pride. They were certain of victory. Moral was high at this stage FARK was using more sophisticated weapons and joined by many KLA members not the command.
    My conclusion is Koshare was the significant moment in history of Kosovo war where Serb army was engaged and challenged and beaten but not defeated by FARK units. The battle served as a catalyst to speed up the peace process and saved many lives on both sides. The initial goal of FARK failed but it had much more significant result by default.
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  12. peggy, nato's role in the kosova conflict is self explanatory. they basically leveled the playing field by reducing serbia's use of heavy weapons against a much smaller force that didnt have tanks and other heavy weapons. nato didnt fight any of the battles on the ground for Albanians. if i was a serb, the kosova conflict would be the last thing i would ever attempt to brag about in terms of military glory.
    (Dardania'Alb, 11 April 2019 09:47)

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  13. This is a thread about a battle from a war where the outcome is being debated... if you dont understand the virtues of warrior mentality and absolute military prowess than I can only assume you've never had to defend anything. (Bre, 10 April 2019 12:46)

    There is often a difference between assumptions and reality.

    Peaceful people don't need to go to war. Common citizens who live off the land, love their neighbors, and treat everyone fairly....they rarely need to fear an invasion. It is only when they take up arms for an empty "higher political cause" that they need to turn into beasts.

    The "Serbian people" is a created category. There is nothing intrinsically different about Serbs. We are all humans. 1000 years ago, "the Serbian people" were slaves of a regional leader. Fifty years ago, they were slaves of communists. Now many are slaves of a liberal, global lifestyle. Always slaves by choice.

    I live off the land and would never fight an invading army because I do not identify with any ruling party. They are all illusionary and empty.
    (My opinion, 11 April 2019 06:03)

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  14. SRB, when did the Albanians ever claim they weren't helped by nato? i'v never seen such a statement. but i do notice a pattern of many of the milosevic trolls here making things up out of the thin air. you guys really have a wild imagination when it comes to creating lies, and then responding to your own lies. it's uncanny.
    (Dardania'Alb, 9 April 2019 23:13)
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    When you brethren here constantly keep saying how Albanians won against Serbs and never give NATO any recognition then it's not our imagination but fact.
    You don't have to say the words "NATO didn't help us" when you never give NATO any credit and only ever say how you won against us.

    It would help if your people said something like, NATO did all the heavy lifting and we only participated in kidnapping and organ harvesting".
    (Peggy, 11 April 2019 04:17)

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  15. Serbia held against Nato for 78 days? Great succes. The the Taleban will be commandos they even talk to them because they Will get back to power in Afghanistan. Nobody is talking about giving you Kosovo back. You cant even go to Kosovo without Albania accept.
    (Lol 3×, 10 April 2019 22:02)

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  16. From Dardania'Alb: " Albanians fught against yugoslav military for years before nato involvement and were bombed much worse than what happened to belgrade."

    Please give us some reliable and verifiable sources that proves your ridiculous statement. Belgrade endured 78 days of bombing by the world's largest and most powerful military alliance, NATO which at the time was made up of 22 North American and European countries. Yo fit the mold of the typical Albanian poster on this site. You make wild and outlandish statements but with nothing to substantiate your claims. You're just another big mouth... yawn, yawn...
    (njegos, 10 April 2019 18:17)

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  17. PEN, nato didn't use ground troops against serbia. on the other hand, serbia used the full force of yugoslav military and police including criminal paramilitary units and russian mercenaries together with aerial bombardment, mechanized army units, tanks and helicopters against a much smaller and isolated Albanian population. this was going on for years before nato intervention but the Albanians still continued to fight back against all the odds regardless of being outgunned and outmanned. that should should give you a bit of insight towards the Albanian resolve and determination towards gaining their freedom.
    (Dardania'Alb, 10 April 2019 17:53)

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  18. PEN: "These men held their ground against Western trained and equipped troops, for the entire campaign and were not overrun."

    Their base was overrun, there is video of that:
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  19. @From Albania:

    Firstly, I have no idea what 14th Century battles and Skanderbeg have to do with NATO's attack on Serbia. Secondly, I did say most 'neutral' observers of the campaign agree. That doesn't therefore include you.
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  20. I heard that Aliens from planet Niburu, where helping the terrorists shiptars,but brave Serbians stood the ground.
    (Albert, 10 April 2019 13:55)

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  21. It would be interesting to see how long Albania and the KLA would have lasted under a sustained aerial assault lasting 78 days by the most advanced military alliance in the world. No wait, let me guess. Probably 24hrs. These men held their ground against Western trained and equipped troops, for the entire campaign and were not overrun. An achievement in itself. The Serbian army withdrew in good order with material and armour intact having sustained minimal losses. Yes, they would have ultimately been defeated against the combined might of NATO ground forces and aircraft. But then, who wouldn't. Regular Serbian troops who defended their country, of which Kosovo is a part, did the best they could under impossible conditions. Most neutral observers who know anything about the campaign agree.
    (PEN, 10 April 2019 11:48)

    For sure much more than you. You fought one battle (1389 Kosovo) in one day against the ottomans, we fought for 35 years consequently under Scanderbeg and other leaders. So go figure that out yourselfs,
    (From Albania, 10 April 2019 13:38)

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  22. Serbs have been embattled for over 1000 years, simple Google search would answer that..(Bre, 10 April 2019 12:46)

    There is a big difference between embattled and valiant...
    (Just wondering, 10 April 2019 13:33)

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  23. Serbia and its soldiers have been known and renowned for their warrior mentality and absolute military prowess through millennia. (Dragan, 10 April 2019 00:16) 

    "Millenia" is the plural form of millenium, that is, 1000 years. Would you mind identifying the valliant "Serbian" warriors through "thousands of years"? 

    It is also unclear to me how a "warrior mentality" (does this suggest positioning oneself behind a keyboard in a dark room?) and "absolute military prowess" are positive values, that is, virtues. Would you mind explaining?
    (Just wondering, 10 April 2019 09:48)

    Allow me..

    Serbs have been embattled for over 1000 years, simple Google search would answer that..

    This is a thread about a battle from a war where the outcome is being debated... if you dont understand the virtues of warrior mentality and absolute military prowess than I can only assume you've never had to defend anything.
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  24. It would be interesting to see how long Albania and the KLA would have lasted under a sustained aerial assault lasting 78 days by the most advanced military alliance in the world. No wait, let me guess. Probably 24hrs. These men held their ground against Western trained and equipped troops, for the entire campaign and were not overrun. An achievement in itself. The Serbian army withdrew in good order with material and armour intact having sustained minimal losses. Yes, they would have ultimately been defeated against the combined might of NATO ground forces and aircraft. But then, who wouldn't. Regular Serbian troops who defended their country, of which Kosovo is a part, did the best they could under impossible conditions. Most neutral observers who know anything about the campaign agree.
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  25. SERBIA LOVES TO CELEBRATE LOST BATTLES, THEY TRYING HARD TO CREATE IDENTITY IN BALLKANS . HERE ARE SOME BATLES LOST BATLE OF KOSOVA, THE LOST AGAINST HT ETURKS. THAIER HERO WAS SHQIPTARE MILLOSH KOPILI HE KILLED SULLTAN,THEY LOST THE WAR WITH GERMANS,WITH SLLOVANIA,WITH BOSNJA,CROATIA,AND THA LAST ONE THEY LOST THE WAR WITH UCK RAMUSH HAJREDINAJ. THEY LOST YUGOSLLAVIA. KEEP CELEBRATING SERBIA.
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  26. Though it's debatable or a matter of conjecture for some but a loss of 108 Serb troops is not or is not entirely a minimal loss.
    (resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 10 April 2019 11:07)

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  27. I was at a visit at West Point military academy in the autumn of 2014. (Atifete Jahjaga was there a month before on a visit.)

    At the classes, the instructors show the tactics of the Serbian army at the Kosare battle and tell classes how to attack and defend an area with a much bigger manpower of the enemy. The instructors I spoke with were extremely impressed by the Serbian army and do frequent travel to a military academy in Belgrade to be educated.
    Some might not believe this and I dont care. Truth is that many of the instructors at West point now have Serbian instructors as friends and visit each other frequently.
    If it was today, the Albanians would not have been recieved any help. US have totally changed their view on Kosovo due to all the mess the Albanian leadership have caused.
    There is no doubt that kosovo as it is now, will never be an own state. Not a chance.
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  28. Serbia and its soldiers have been known and renowned for their warrior mentality and absolute military prowess through millennia. (Dragan, 10 April 2019 00:16)

    "Millenia" is the plural form of millenium, that is, 1000 years. Would you mind identifying the valliant "Serbian" warriors through "thousands of years"?

    It is also unclear to me how a "warrior mentality" (does this suggest positioning oneself behind a keyboard in a dark room?) and "absolute military prowess" are positive values, that is, virtues. Would you mind explaining?
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  29. The Albanians are known as bootlickers of every empire that looked in their direction. No history other than that. 0 military history. On the other hand, Serbia and its soldiers have been known and renowned for their warrior mentality and absolute military prowess through millennia. So now, everyone can understand why Albanians are here trying to steal the identity and history of Serbs. If you Albanians weren’t so sad and pathetic I’d almost feel bad for you. Constantly looking for a way to make a name for yourselves but always by first getting on your knees.
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  30. The war is over and that what matters. Serbia lost and won. It lost the war but won a better country by removing Slobodan. Sadly the Serbian people did not see this and are not understanding that it was important to lose this war and be where they are now.
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  31. With all NATO behind the KLA terrorists they did not take one inch of Serbian territory thanks to General Pavkovic who outwitted NATO with fake decoy and tanks on one side where NATO only destroyed 13 tanks at most reporting "hundreds"! On the other side, cleaned the clocks of the KLA terrorists village by village, house by house. The Serbian Army was for the first time together, without Croats, Slovenes or "Bosniaks" as a united force held Kosovo in Serbian hands. The Austro-Hungarians remembered in 1914 fighting a united Serbia is a recipe for disaster.

    Unfortunately, Serbia took a deal that was reneged by Europe, NATO as UN resolution 1244 was supposed to guarantee the territorial integrity of Serbia. The next fight the KLA Albanian terrorists won't be so lucky to be handed Kosovo on a silver platter.
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  32. The battle was a clear Serbian tactical victory.

    Without going into too many details, the below facts are undisputable.

    Serbs were defending the border(front)- goal hold the line
    Albanians via the albanian border invaded the front.- goal break the line and allow for reinforcements and suppies to pour in

    Serbian army held the front for the entire war preventing supplies and reinforcements.

    Clearly if the Albanians broke the front, it would of allowed the Albanians to attack in multiple fronts and incircle other pockets of Serbia troops and bring in supplies.

    Conclusion, the was held.
    Serb goal was achieved, which was holding the front.
    Albanian goal to break the front, failed as all attacks were contained.

    Serbian victory
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  33. SRB, when did the Albanians ever claim they weren't helped by nato? i'v never seen such a statement. but i do notice a pattern of many of the milosevic trolls here making things up out of the thin air. you guys really have a wild imagination when it comes to creating lies, and then responding to your own lies. it's uncanny.
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  34. Sreten, you do realize that you are quoting another serb here, right? Albanians didn't make that statement. I'm not sure how you are confused about that. but what do you think it says about serbia that used the full force of yugoslav military with tanks and jet fighters and all kinds of heavy equipment against a much smaller force and not being able to make them capitulate? Albanians never gave up. serbia gave up only after 78 days of bombing.so when the playing field was leveled and matched evenly, why didnt serbia bother to put up any meaningful resistance when nato was involved? Albanians fught against yugoslav military for years before nato involvement and were bombed much worse than what happened to belgrade.

    battle of koshare was the last major battle to be fought in kosova and the only retreating army was the serbian army and police. NATO never used any ground troops.
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  35. The truth wrote

    "KLA was only force that chased and/or killed Serbian army at that fake border! They were all K-Albanians with handful of Albanian officers! No one else. Again, you writing books based on state propaganda and Serb future generations will believe these stupid lies! "

    Throughout the battle there was heavy artillery barrage coming from Albania proper. KLA had heavy artillery?
    B-52 bombed Serbian troops position ones, and A-10's did the same on at least 5 occasions. Those were KLA planes?

    And yet, KLA did not chase anyone on that "fake border". They retreated at the end of the war, from there, and from entire Kosovo.
    (Sreten, 9 April 2019 21:30)

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  36. Hahahahah

    Nice trying to turn a defeat into a "heroic" victory lol.
    (Mario, 9 April 2019 20:27)

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  37. Koshar was the fairest battle of the Kosova war both sides had the same amount of soldiers and the serbs got their ass whooped like always.
    (UCKintheUSA, 9 April 2019 19:41)

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  38. Look at the pathetic Albanians on here claiming they weren’t helped by NATO. HAHAHA

    You wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for them...

    Pathetic
    (SRB, 9 April 2019 19:24)

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  39. Srbs victorious and victims in the same time.
    People like this you will never find in the world
    (Who, 9 April 2019 19:22)

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  40. serbs soldiers were burning their uniforms and runing away as fast as they could from koshare. The were butt naked trying to save their own skin. albanians dont mess around. we know how to fight. this is not bosnia
    (bert, 9 April 2019 17:56)

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  41. In a nutshell Koshare is the place where Abanians kicked Serbian buttock big time.

    This article on b92 is similar to propaganda from some comical dictatoral countries.
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  42. Serbians trying to turn a defeat into some type of Thermopylae scenario that is being glorified (with a 'we were fighting terrorists' twist). Why didn't you write 40 000 vs 100 Serbians to make it more glorious? This is not glorious enough, you need to add an extra layer. Perhaps Orcs and Uruk-hai?
    (Comment, 9 April 2019 16:41)

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  43. the truth and ratko, where is the evidence to support your fantasy ideas of mujahideen or isis fighting at battle of koshare? there is none. just more hot air and wild propaganda from your part, either due to lack of real knowledge of what happened or why the conflict started in the first place, or because you blatantly are attempting to distort the reality. And you know what they say about not learning from your old mistakes, don't you?

    but just for the record, the kla was not fashioned on religious ideology as the serbian state agenda was. there is no difference between islamic extremism and radical orthodoxy.
    (Dardania'Alb, 9 April 2019 16:38)

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  44. Basically the Serbian army fought the ISIS of Europe and their war criminal supporters in NATO. This was the 2nd ISIS formed by new world order deep state lunatics, the first one was is Bosna.
    (Ratko, 9 April 2019 16:28)

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  45. (the truth, 9 April 2019 16:01

    Serbia's propaganda is trying to "build" Serbia's fake history. Nothing coming from Serbia is built on facts.
    (Time, 9 April 2019 16:11)

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  46. Who wrote this? Kosare was a fiasco!
    (Srbije, 9 April 2019 16:02)

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  47. The Battle of Kosare was fought on the slopes of Junik and Prokletije mountains, on the border with Albania, where our army heroically resisted, without retreating by an inch, a multi-week offensive mounted by the terrorist KLA ("Kosovo Liberation Army"), the Albanian army, and the mujahideen, backed up by the Western military alliance's bombs.


    KLA was only force that chased and/or killed Serbian army at that fake border! They were all K-Albanians with handful of Albanian officers! No one else. Again, you writing books based on state propaganda and Serb future generations will believe these stupid lies!


    The heroic defense of the fatherland cost 108 of our soldiers their lives.

    What fatherland! What heroic defense!
    (the truth, 9 April 2019 16:01)

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