NATO, US reacts to "KSF transformation" draft law
NATO has assessed that the transformation of the Kosovo Security Force (KSF) is a question for the Kosovo authorities.
Source: Beta
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First of all, not all KiM citizens agree, don't forget, and as much as it kills you, there is a minority Serbian population that disagree with your psuedo-constitution.
(Chi, 19 September 2018 02:38)
Well... A minority of Serbian population also disagrees with Serbia's psuedo-constitution. So, what's your point? That a constitution is psuedo-constitution unless it is agreed upon by 100% of the citizens?!
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Second of all, Serbia is not a "mental institution", but a real country and recognized by the world as such.
(Chi, 19 September 2018 02:38)
Ok, that's great that you finally realised that Serbia is similar to Kosovo, since Kosovo also is a real country and recognised by the world as such.
(, 21 September 2018 03:40) -
Chichi,
1. There is a Serbian minority, but they are numerically insignificant to decide the destiny of the rest of the population. You also have minorities in Serbia, do they get to decide whether you should be under Turkey or an independent state?
2. Looking at the history of Serbia for the past 30 years or so, one can only say that Serbia is indeed a mental institution. Sorry, I'm just saying that objectively.
3. Revoked recognitions ... haha, whatever happen to that one? I think Dacic forgot all about his little campaign. Wasn't Egypt going to be the next non-recognizer? Wasn't he going to bring the nr of recognitions to under 100 by the end of the year? He's only got two so far, that little piggy better get flying.
Get real - you know it yourself - Kosova's independence is here to stay, you can recognize today or you can recognize in a century, Kosova will be fine with just three recognitions: US, UK and Germany. The rest are gravy.
Oh, and you underestimate Illyrian grandfathers at your own peril. Bardhyli was kicking ass in battle at 90 years old, we're a virile race, and that's why we're still around. Never forget that.
(, 19 September 2018 16:33) -
Chichi,
1. There is a Serbian minority, but they are numerically insignificant to decide the destiny of the rest of the population. You also have minorities in Serbia, do they get to decide whether you should be under Turkey or an independent state?
2. Looking at the history of Serbia for the past 30 years or so, one can only say that Serbia is indeed a mental institution. Sorry, I'm just saying that objectively.
3. Revoked recognitions ... haha, whatever happen to that one? I think Dacic forgot all about his little campaign. Wasn't Egypt going to be the next non-recognizer? Wasn't he going to bring the nr of recognitions to under 100 by the end of the year? He's only got two so far, that little piggy better get flying.
Get real - you know it yourself - Kosova's independence is here to stay, you can recognize today or you can recognize in a century, Kosova will be fine with just three recognitions: US, UK and Germany. The rest are gravy.
Oh, and you underestimate Illyrian grandfathers at your own peril. Bardhyli was kicking ass in battle at 90 years old, we're a virile race, and that's why we're still around. Never forget that.
(, 19 September 2018 16:16) -
We wiped our rear with your constitution 20 years ago.
Kosova is fully recognized by who matters the most: its people. The same people, also don't recognize Serbia. So as far as we're concerned, Serbia is not a country but a mental institution, where once in a while, crazies like yourself, climb on top of the wall and scream nonsense at our general direction.
(Albanopolis, 18 September 2018 18:20
Great come back Albanopolis... LOL. Did your Illyrian, I mean Anatolian, grandfather help you write this witty response - HAHAHAHA. I'm really getting tired correcting you Alboajs! First of all, not all KiM citizens agree, don't forget, and as much as it kills you, there is a minority Serbian population that disagree with your psuedo-constitution. Second of all, Serbia is not a "mental institution", but a real country and recognized by the world as such. Third of all, you can't say the same about KiM, at best, partial recognition - and at worse, no or revoked recognition. HEHEHEHE. Correct whatever you feel is incorrect in this statement - however, have some facts, and nothing Haradinaj Family Public Library in Pristina....
(, 19 September 2018 02:38) -
This is a mute point, just look at the so called Albanian army, the joke of the century with 1945 Chinese Tanks, the so called Kosovo army will be worse.
(, 18 September 2018 20:59) -
Chichi,
We wiped our rear with your constitution 20 years ago.
Kosova is fully recognized by who matters the most: its people. The same people, also don't recognize Serbia. So as far as we're concerned, Serbia is not a country but a mental institution, where once in a while, crazies like yourself, climb on top of the wall and scream nonsense at our general direction.
(, 18 September 2018 18:20) -
"Also, after Thaci suggested a referendum on any agreement, all of your political analysts came out and said your constitution does not allow for a referendum"
Really? It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. A referendum is allowed specifically in the constitution. Article 65. Maybe you didn't understand what the analysts were saying? The constitution does not allow for division of Kosova: In the first paragraph of the first article, and the second article. It does not allow for part or all of Kosova to join another state: In the third line of the first article. Kosova is a unitary state (so no Republika Srpska): the first paragraph of the first article.
"Know your facts before making stupid comments."
Thanks. It's customary for the Serbian camp to resort to insults when they run out of arguments, but it seems it is you who don't know the facts.
(Albanopolis, 16 September 2018 22:10
Albanopolis, I'll say this as plainly as I can so you understand. Kosovo is still not fully recognized, nor will it be until Serbia says so. So, if your a breakaway terrorist state (land grab), you can wipe your rear with your constitution - you constitution is located just a few miles North, yes in Belgrade.....
(, 18 September 2018 14:03) -
You know as well as I do, Serbs will have no say in matters concerning Kosova after recognition.
(The Count of Kosova, 17 September 2018 19:47)
I certainly look forward to the recognition because Dacic said Serbia will recognize Kosovo only when pigs fly. Now I have never seen pigs fly.
(, 18 September 2018 10:49) -
Sj,
You know as well as I do, Serbs will have no say in matters concerning Kosova after recognition.
(, 17 September 2018 19:47) -
If some Serb municipalities in North Kosova, in the final settlement, become a part of Serbia due to a swap of territory, its inhabitants will no longer be an ethnic minority of Kosova. Hence, they will forfeit their special rights which they once had.
(, 17 September 2018 19:41) -
(Tom L'Orizi, 14 September 2018 17:34)
I’ve never thought much of those “new winds” from the US since its not real change but Washington coming to terms with reality that the US is losing ground on the world stage and nothing more.
Having said that the only passing wind comes from you, the fictive Italian Albo, and boy the volume of wind is incredible.
As I said the US is your friend not ours and they should say yes create an army and the US will give you free arms; alas their reply is you must change the constitution and to do that all must agree knowing very well the Serbs will say no LOL.
Glad to keep you amused.
(, 17 September 2018 11:52) -
The problem is Kosovo I Mehotija already has a army! It's called Vojska Srbija!
(Watcher, 14 September 2018 18:05)
Why do you think that Vojska Srbija is a problem, dear?!!!
(, 16 September 2018 23:39) -
"More likely than not..." - this is still just your opinion."
Like I said, there is no agreement, so what we have are ideas, opinions, and yours is an opinion as well.
The clauses from Ahtisaari package, go above and beyond minority rights (what do minority rights have anything to do with the ability to block the creation of the army), and that deal also includes the inviolability of Kosova's borders. And mind you, talk about changing Kosova's borders came after John Bolton became POTUS' NSA. If the deal is not valid for one, is not valid for all. Ahtisaari's package is not a salad bar where Serbia gets to pick what they want and what to leave. You're deluded if you think that Albanians will stick to the rest of the Ahtisaari's package if borders are changed.
(, 16 September 2018 22:12) -
"Also, after Thaci suggested a referendum on any agreement, all of your political analysts came out and said your constitution does not allow for a referendum"
Really? It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. A referendum is allowed specifically in the constitution. Article 65. Maybe you didn't understand what the analysts were saying? The constitution does not allow for division of Kosova: In the first paragraph of the first article, and the second article. It does not allow for part or all of Kosova to join another state: In the third line of the first article. Kosova is a unitary state (so no Republika Srpska): the first paragraph of the first article.
"Know your facts before making stupid comments."
Thanks. It's customary for the Serbian camp to resort to insults when they run out of arguments, but it seems it is you who don't know the facts.
(, 16 September 2018 22:10) -
What’s the problem with Kosova having an Army??? You srps brag about your army and nor scared of Kosova, so what’s the problem?
(Who, 14 September 2018 17:13)
@ whoaj - The problem is Kosovo I Mehotija already has a army! It's called Vojska Srbija!
And yes, it's true VS cannot enter 'kosova" because it must yield to superior forces...for now! But that doesn't make you a "country"!
You cannot steal somebody's else's land, call it a "country" and put a army on it! That's illegal!
THAT's the problem, Moron!
(Watcher, 14 September 2018 18:05)
Hay yo yo, there was a JNA once upon a time , what is it now ? SLO has its own, CRO has its own, MAC it’s own , MNG etc, so will have KOSOVA. You can take your vs and see if there is any place left unlooted , look for people unarmed to rape , that’s the only thing vs it’s good fof MORAN...
(, 16 September 2018 14:26) -
The problem is Kosovo I Mehotija already has a army! It's called Vojska Srbija!
And yes, it's true VS cannot enter 'kosova" because it must yield to superior forces...for now! But that doesn't make you a "country"!
You cannot steal somebody's else's land, call it a "country" and put a army on it! That's illegal!
THAT's the problem, Moron!
(Watcher, 14 September 2018 18:05)
@ Watcher- since you calling other people Moron, and since you thing so hi of yourself, can you please provide us with information why your VS has to stay way fron Kosova? If you have short memory i remind you: 12000 albanians killed 200000 homes burned and destroyed 1 million people moved from their homes out of kosova, making sure their documents are destroyed, thousands of women rape. KA will make sure this will never happen again. You serbians enjoy fighting civilians we have seen that for over 100 years in Kosova. Who is Moron here is very clear Watcher!
(, 15 September 2018 18:17) -
Uncle Sam just passed wind and Serbs liked it!
(Tom L'Orizi, 14 September 2018 17:34)
That wasn't Uncle Sam passing wind, that was typical stench of Albanian morning breath on the bus.
(, 15 September 2018 17:20) -
"More likely than not..." - this is still just your opinion. Do you really believe that the EU or the US would allow you to diminish minority rights? I'm sure you do, but in reality I have never heard of it happening in the EU. Look at Hungary, which is facing sanctions over the way it treats immigrants, Roma and Jews among other issues. If you ever want in the EU, you have to play by their rules and reducing minority rights will guarantee that you will be the last EU, just like you are with visa free travel. Kosovo had to agree with the Montenegro border agreement every Albanian in Kosovo hated before you got visa free travel. Be a realist and don't drown in stupidity.
Also, after Thaci suggested a referendum on any agreement, all of your political analysts came out and said your constitution does not allow for a referendum. Know your facts before making stupid comments.
(, 15 September 2018 12:40) -
"I have yet to read an article where the exchange of territories will lessen the Serbs voting rights in Kosovo. This is your wishful thinking. Neither the US nor the EU would allow the Albanians to reduce the Serbs rights, which is also another constitutional hurdle you would have to overcome. This is a statement you made up and shows how out of touch with reality you are. "
What reality? There's no agreement on exchange of territories, just ideas of Vucic and Thaci, vague and short on detail - exactly because there is no agreement!
More likely than not, if there ever was an agreement, it would have to be put through a referendum to change the constitution as well, to remove the Ahtisaari clauses, since they would be replaced by the new agreement. So, yeah, veto rights, guaranteed seats in the Parliament, excessive rights for the Church, Serbian as official language, 3k people municipalities of Klokot and Partesh. etc, etc, they all would have to go.
There either will be the multi-ethnic solution (Ahtisaari), or a mono-ethnic solution (exchange of territories) and US, EU and Serbia as well would have to get on board with one or the other. If Serbia wants Ahtisaari, it would have to recognize Kosova as is; if they want exchange of territories, extra rights go out of the window as well.
(, 14 September 2018 21:29) -
@morons that think , Serbia is superpower in Balkans and the center of Universe;
Why are you so afraid if Kosova has an army of 8-15000 soldiers?
We will not have an air force for long time, and you do have one like so many African countries!?
You claim to be an economic country that entire Balkans depend on you, yet you cannot feed your own people!
You are so many things, and are not, that I can go on and on!
(, 14 September 2018 19:27) -
What’s the problem with Kosova having an Army??? You srps brag about your army and nor scared of Kosova, so what’s the problem?
(Who, 14 September 2018 17:13)
@ whoaj - The problem is Kosovo I Mehotija already has a army! It's called Vojska Srbija!
And yes, it's true VS cannot enter 'kosova" because it must yield to superior forces...for now! But that doesn't make you a "country"!
You cannot steal somebody's else's land, call it a "country" and put a army on it! That's illegal!
THAT's the problem, Moron!
(, 14 September 2018 18:05) -
"The United States has always supported Kosovo's sovereign right to an army and has worked closely with Kosovo on how to achieve this. We have counseled a deliberate approach that keeps Kosovo in sync with our NATO Allies on this important step..."
Wait a second, I am pretty sure that only few days ago Watcher-o-viç, sj, Peggy, Chi and many other subscribers of the Comic Movement of Serbia couldn't stop doing somersaults in joy of some new winds blowing from the USA.
Uncle Sam just passed wind and Serbs liked it!
(, 14 September 2018 17:34) -
What’s the problem with Kosova having an Army??? You srps brag about your army and nor scared of Kosova, so what’s the problem?
(, 14 September 2018 17:13) -
It seems like the US position has softened considerable compared to last time when this came about.
Then it was "No way, Hose"; Now is more like: "will have to analyze the draft laws to understand their purpose and effect". Interesting.
(, 14 September 2018 17:06) -
Teodor,
I have yet to read an article where the exchange of territories will lessen the Serbs voting rights in Kosovo. This is your wishful thinking. Neither the US nor the EU would allow the Albanians to reduce the Serbs rights, which is also another constitutional hurdle you would have to overcome. This is a statement you made up and shows how out of touch with reality you are.
I also doubt a territory swap will occur. Only Thaci is talking about it and it would guarantee his downfall since all of the major politicians in Kosovo have come out against the land swap. Thaci doesn't have the authority, under your constitution, or the backbone to even agree to a land swap. I think even the Albanians would throw him out of office and into a prison cell, which would be for his own protection against every Albanian in Kosovo.
(, 14 September 2018 16:14) -
Not going to happen since you don't have the Serb vote so this is a useless discussion. Sometimes I wonder if the Albanian posters have a selective reading habit or if their English comprehension is that bad.
(American Eagle, 14 September 2018 14:58)
When Kosovo and Serbia will reach the deal for exchange territories,Serbian minority will not have spacial rights anymore and no veto power.
Wait until March 2019.
(, 14 September 2018 15:28) -
The Albanians in Kosovo have to decide how to solve this problem themselves.
They have two examples nearby, BiH and Croatia.
In the BiH model the country got itself a Serb Republic and is now hopelessly going nowhere.
In the Croatian model a strong army was formed and the border problems were solved in a few days. Now 23 years later BIH is in the same position it was in 1995 and Croatia is in NATO and the EU.
(, 14 September 2018 15:18) -
Read the article again. The US has no problem IF Kosovo follows it's Constitution and transforms legally. Not going to happen since you don't have the Serb vote so this is a useless discussion. Sometimes I wonder if the Albanian posters have a selective reading habit or if their English comprehension is that bad.
(, 14 September 2018 14:58) -
Oh no! Kosovo has its own army. I think everyone is scared now. I would suggest you feed your people first then get an army.
(, 14 September 2018 14:55) -
(The Count of Kosova, 14 September 2018 11:46)
Lord of the dance that not true. This is a poor version of what was actually said on Radio Free Europe – these Americans are so obsessed with the word free LOL.
What was said is that the US does not object to the creation of a Kosovo army provided that the constitution is amended and not before the change occurs.
Now for the constitution to be amended requires all peoples living in Kosovo to agree. If the Serbs say no, then it over no changes and no army.
The Serbs will say NO. Game over LOL
(, 14 September 2018 14:29) -
Serbia finally can read the writing on the wall. Kosova’s Army is approved by the U.S. This is not predicated on Serbia’s recognition of Kosova. Serbia is painfully aware that its only hope of surviving is to be able to join the EU, the sooner the better. The only problem is that the Albanians hold all the cards.
(The Count of Kosova
@ the count of Kosovo - LOL, LOL
(, 14 September 2018 13:16) -
Serbia finally can read the writing on the wall. Kosova’s Army is approved by the U.S. This is not predicated on Serbia’s recognition of Kosova. Serbia is painfully aware that its only hope of surviving is to be able to join the EU, the sooner the better. The only problem is that the Albanians hold all the cards.
(, 14 September 2018 11:46) -
Vucic prompted this reaction after his provocation in Ujmani, claiming it as his. Praising Milloshevic was the icing on the cake.
The West has heard loud and clear what Serbia's real goal is and Kosovo will have the green light to create the army and prepare accordingly.
(, 14 September 2018 10:36)