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Friday, 28.06.2013.

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Serbia commemorates Battle of Kosovo, marks St. Vitus Day

St. Vitus Day (Vidovdan), <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2012&mm=06&dd=28&nav_id=81009" class="text-link" target= "_blank">one of the most significant dates and holidays for Serbia</a>, is being marked across the country on Friday.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

I do not know enough about 1389 to make a judgment on whether it is a day Serbia should or should not celebrate.
(pss, 1 July 2013 14:13)
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You don't have to know enough or be convinced of anything because it is none of your business. It is Serbia's business only.
Anzac day is celebrated here in Australia and that was a HUGE defeat. So now tell us should Australia stop celebrating Anzac day and stop it being a public holiday?
You can remember your fallen and celebrate their bravery you know. Just because America doesn't do things a certain way doesn't make everyone else wrong.

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pss

pre 10 godina

pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)

Countries older than America, and there are a few, this type of defeat is considered as a rite of passage to true nationhood. However, in the you have Veterans Day and that is certainly celebrated.
(sj, 1 July 2013 13:36)
Yes we celebrate Veterans Day to honor all who have served our country in war and peace. We also celebrate Memorial Day for all who have given their life for America. But we do not celebrate Pearl Harbor Day as it is considered one of the saddest days of American history.
That was my point pure and simple, you used the wrong day as an analogy. I do not know enough about 1389 to make a judgment on whether it is a day Serbia should or should not celebrate.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(Lenard, 1 July 2013 09:07)

This is what I have been saying – its gets bigger with the telling. How the mighty Croats forces defeated the entire Serb army. God helps with idiots like Lenard. The real problem is that Croats defeated no one ever. It’s a bone stuck in their throat that they can’t remove. Even when the cowardly Croats attacked their allies the Bosnaiks, these bunglers could not get even that right because the Bosniaks turned everything on the heads and were on the verge of wiping out the Croats in Bosnia. The Croats are only good for one thing – killing old men and women and defenceless people and that is why there is this burning in the chest trying to prove something against the Serbs.
“....13 Serb brigades defeated them. Croatians where on the outskirts of criminally occupied Banja Luka”
Capitan Fruit Cake, this was part of the withdrawal agreed in the Dayton Agreement not because of mighty Croats forces. I know it hurts you cannot defeat the Serbs and it always will – we are far superior to Croats whoas soldiers are only good at peeling potatoes in the kitchen.

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Lenard's a wank*r

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

"But pathetic Serb criminals where saved by U.S.A and Britain"
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So the rag tag Serbs that were in control of a third of Croatia, for how long Lenny?, were actually saved from the Croatian military machine by being attacked and bombed by the US and UK. I suppose the bombardment of Serbian refugees by the US and UK (Gotovina was innocent??) was also for their own good.
The war is over, hopefully for ever, and soon enough also hopefully,the hundreds of thousands of ethnically cleansed Serbs will be able to return to their ancestral land and be compensated accordingly.
There were many Pathetic Armies that totally owe every bit of their 'victory', to the USA, UK and NATO, in ex YUG.
If it wasn't for the west's involvement there would be no Croatia, maybe just the province of Zagreb in Serbia. Croatians, Bosniaks and Albanians all showed the world how much of a match they were to Serbs in the years before foreign intervention,(ie. years of sanctions, media propaganda illegal recognitions , airstrikes and military aid), NO match at all!
all that aid, but still your beloved Banja Luka is the capital of Republica Srpska forever! how many of your brigades can change that Lenny Boy???

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sj

pre 10 godina

(pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)

Countries older than America, and there are a few, this type of defeat is considered as a rite of passage to true nationhood. However, in the you have Veterans Day and that is certainly celebrated.

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ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Uh, what: I have a choice between taking your word about what happened or reading through a whole range of different independent accounts from those with no axe to grind. Who am I going to believe? It could be argued that no war is 'won' because of the devastation that it usually wreaks on both sides.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

and no one in the US considers Pearl Harbor Day as a day of victory or a reason for celebration.
It is not considered a "holiday".
(pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)
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ANZAC day is a holiday here in Australia. Explain that then.

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lenard

Yes Lenny we have seen how brave croats and albanians were during the Balkan wars. Albanian terrorists were hiding in the woods while you "brave" croats were crying to Gentcher and the rest of the German political elite to help you against the big bad wolf, Serbia. Not to mention your cowardness during WW2 when you sided with Hitler when the allies fought back chetniks fled to Argentina, Canada and Australia. Without US intervention there would be no Serbia.
(MikeC, 28 June 2013 18:43) Just one Croatian 3rd echelon brigade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar out numbered 20-1 stopt your communist/fascist chetnik Serbian criminal army on the border. Croatians with others also Serbs armed mostly with hunting rifles short on ammunition defending their town. Put the living fear in the Serbian communist/fascist army. So much that war mongering expansionist criminal Serbia gave up in fear scared its criminal forces will be totally destroyed in Croatia. Same in Bosnia when the Bosnian government asked the Croatians to put a end to minority murdering criminal Serb army. Only two elite Croatian brigades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mistral took on 13 Serb brigades defeated them. Croatians where on the outskirts of criminally occupied Banja Luka and minority Serb rebels criminal capital to deal a final blow to the criminals. But pathetic Serb criminals where saved by U.S.A and Britain now Bosnia suffers frozen conflict and justice for the mean time.

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pss

pre 10 godina

sj, 29 June 2013 12:05)
There is a huge difference in "celebrating" a day and "rememberance" of a day. You will see no celebrations of Pearl Harbor Day in the US. You will see memorializing the lives lost, and no one in the US considers Pearl Harbor Day as a day of victory or a reason for celebration.
It is not considered a "holiday".

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King Slava

pre 10 godina

Bottom line is it's a Serbian celebration of bravery of soldiers that layed down their lives against an Empire bent on conquering the world. I don't care what friggen religion you are, only heathens take pride in a vicious empire. For the record I have no issues with the croats, my grandmother was croat. Not every country had the will to stand up to Hitler, and the Croats have had their share of victories against the Turks. Serbs and Croats need to move forward.

Now as far as the Albanian people here taking pride, and reveling in the conquests of the Ottoman empire go. Do you find pride in the fact that the only reason you exist in Kosovo today is because the USA bailed you out? Keep in mind USA is the greatest ally of Israel. So technically the Jew lovers saved your butts. So next time you hypocritically point your fingers at Serbs while you sit in your homes and make racist comments toward the Jews just remember your only there because the Jews best friends kept you from being a fading memory.

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bobby

pre 10 godina

If battle for Kosovo (VIDOVDAN)is the most significant date and holiday for Serbia,then why did Serbia sell Kosovo and Serbs to Prishtinas criminal gang,just to join the sinking ship.Where is your PRIDE Serbia that I know your people have.Serbia stood up to Hitler and Croats who where allies with Germany what happend this time why is Serbia standing and watching Serbs being attacked everyday in Kosovo and doing nothing.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)
“.....why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses? “
Not true. Many countries celebrate losses. You have the US and Pearl Harbour then you have Australia, UK and New Zealand, they celebrate ANZAC day 25 April when their joint forces landed on Gallipoli in Turkey and several months later left in defeat.
(sj, 29 June 2013 12:05)
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That's very true but no matter how many time we tell these simpletons that they can't remember. Is there something wrong with their ability to retain information?

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uh, what?

pre 10 godina

Having read the usual assortment of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type comments on this site (from the usual suspects) I decided to Google the battle in question and select six random responses and all stated that the Ottoman side won the battle. Is there a reason why Google would only post such responses or is it possible that these six, and no doubt others, have it right? Frankly it ought not to matter in 2013 but my experience of the Balkans tells me that it will continue to matter for years to come, at least to the Serb side. You are a proud independent country and should celebrate that fact (and keep it that way), not keep looking backwards. We celebrate the Battle of Britain but a) we won that and b) it was 'just' 70 years ago. I hope in my lifetime we will move on from that especially as those we fought with are now our partners.
(ned taylor)

Think for yourself. How was it a loss, when Serbia was still free decades after thr fact?

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ali

pre 10 godina

Yes Serbians saved Europe from Turks by fighting Kosova. It is clearly seen after 7 years later than 1389 Kosova Serbs fighted against Europeans together with Ottoman army at Nicopolis.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.
(icj1)

hahah clown. After the Battle of Kosovo Polje the Turks left retreated back to Constatinople, they did not continue in Serbia their army was destoryed, also they're Sultan was mkurdered. This is indeed a win for the Serbs. The Ottomans had the upper hand simply because they were able to rebuild faster that's it.

June 28 1389 marks the date of our battle not when we were invaded you morons.

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NEWS FLASH

pre 10 godina

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.
(icj1)

You are very mad, you drove yourself right off-course :)

After June 28, 1389 Serbia was still free, so stop dodging the point. The battle of Kosovo was clearly won by the Serbs or else the Turks would’ve continued to advance into Serbia and NOT retreat back to Constantinople to rebuild for about 40Years and try again.



Who cares about the rest, Vidovdan is about Serbia and Serbs.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

This is probably why it was lost. If you want to keep full ownership of the failure, please feel free to do so :)
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Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

Wrong… Ottomans lost Bayezid I in the Battle on Ankara in 1402 where he was captured by the Mongols which threw the Ottoman Empire in turmoil for 10-20 years.
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The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

Yeah, poor Serbs… They are never understood. But yes the battle was epic and very good source of folk tales.
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-News flash indeed. Serbia and her people were still free after the Kosovo Battle, I don't know what these guys are talking about.
(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)

Yeah, if by “free” you mean becoming a vassal of the Sultan as Serbs became after the loss of 1389
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The Serbs were against all odds and still prevailed. That is the lesson we shall remember.
(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)

If losing means “prevail” in Serbian, you are certainly correct, dear. I’m of the opinion that if somebody is brainwashed, he/she can’t be considered at fault, for the simple fact that he/she does not have a brain.

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ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Having read the usual assortment of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type comments on this site (from the usual suspects) I decided to Google the battle in question and select six random responses and all stated that the Ottoman side won the battle. Is there a reason why Google would only post such responses or is it possible that these six, and no doubt others, have it right? Frankly it ought not to matter in 2013 but my experience of the Balkans tells me that it will continue to matter for years to come, at least to the Serb side. You are a proud independent country and should celebrate that fact (and keep it that way), not keep looking backwards. We celebrate the Battle of Britain but a) we won that and b) it was 'just' 70 years ago. I hope in my lifetime we will move on from that especially as those we fought with are now our partners.

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Dragan

pre 10 godina

Yes, Dragane, I'm familiar with the comical, and demonstrably untrue, stories Serbian nationalists love telling each other. That was the point of my post :)

lol@ "many say" [link]
(Danilo, 28 June 2013 15:35)

Untrue eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
'The battle was also a major blow to the Ottoman campaign, and although the Ottomans did eventually take over most of the Balkans, it took them over a hundred years to do so. After the destruction of their forces at Kosovo, the Ottomans were forced to send inexperienced reserve armies to Europe. This problem was partly solved with the "recruitment" of Jannisaries from the Balkans. The delay in Ottoman advancement also effectively stopped the Ottomans from invading central and west Europe, as it gave time to central European nations to fortify and mount proper defenses.'

I love smacking down ignorant know nothings like Danilo. It's too easy Danilo, you are so thick and knowledge deficient that you can't even mount a proper defenense. You're a delusional self-hating retard.

Cheers!!

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sj

pre 10 godina

(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)
“.....why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses? “
Not true. Many countries celebrate losses. You have the US and Pearl Harbour then you have Australia, UK and New Zealand, they celebrate ANZAC day 25 April when their joint forces landed on Gallipoli in Turkey and several months later left in defeat.

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Nikolle

pre 10 godina

The battle of Kosovo is a completely insignificant event in European history. Frankly, its a completely insignificant event for Serbia too, but it became mythologized in the 19th century to act as some sort of rallying cry against the Ottomans and of course to justify the conquest of Kosovo. Historians know only 2 things about this battle, that Lazar and Murad died. There's no evidence that Brankovic ever defected, there's no evidence that Milos Obilic was even a real historical character and all the oral traditions about it have their roots in poetry, written around 300 years after the event took place. Its nonsense to believe that it stopped Ottoman incursions into Europe, they conquered Serbia soon after, along with Greece and were on the outskirts of Vienna in the 17th century. Essentially what Serbs are commemorating is a myth that has been advanced by Serbian literature.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"That's funny, when asked about national origins most nations point to their historical monuments, ancient burial grounds or artifacts, historical written documents. Albanians point to Wikipedia, HAHA!!!"
(robert1899, 28 June 2013 18:16)

And they even post a wrong link. What about that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians (Origin of Albanians on Wikipedia) There you can read that it's only one theory (with some pros and cons) that Albanians are descendants of ancient Illyrians.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(Lenard, 28 June 2013 12:02)
What fighting did the Croats do against the Turks? Lenard you have to stop doing that otherwise you will go blind or pull it off completely.
The Austro Hungarian Empire fought the Turks not Croats. It’s like the fish that got away – it gets bigger and better with the telling every time. Next you’ll be telling us how Croatians built the Pyramids.
Thus is what happens when you have no tradition or culture of your own and make it up as you go along.

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MikeC

pre 10 godina

Captain America

Wikipedia was the bes source you could find to prove albanians originate from illyrians? Looks to me that this article suggested greeks have more to do with the illyrians then albanians. I think albanians come from hell. You have to steal other peoples land, culture and history to identify with something. The fact is that no other people has contributed with so little like you albs. And next time provide us with some real evidence of the illyrian/alb connection. You can't because there isn't any.

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Eric

pre 10 godina

Never heard this day nor I will want to hear it again, no one cares, only Serbs. Turks are way ahead of Serbia economically and culturally...no one cares what you did or killed a sultan...

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What difference does my name make!

pre 10 godina

@Lenard
You are a genious! how do you know everything about everything,,,im bewildered!
you know the true history of the whole balkans, geopolitics, economic statistics, weapons manufacturing and the sales of them, tourism and even the weather.
,,,its as if you have access to a computer or something!
surely your knowledge of all things Croatian dwarfs anything I know, but im so thirsty for more of your expert historical facts,, would you please educate me on the "Fight carried out for centuries by Croats that wore out the ottomans and led to their demise"!, what famous battles and victories does Croatia celebrate?, and which Croatian KIng/Emporer led them into these famous battles?. I don't know why such a proud people, such as Croatians are, don't commemorate any of these major historical victories,,, maybe because there are no such dates for Croatia to celebrate, because there was no such kingdom or empire in the first place, wasn't the region of Croatia always just part of a foreign empire?
That's why Croatia loved Hitler, he gave birth to their independence, they were a nation for the first time in their history, a fascist Nazi state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of civilians within the borders of their first official legitimate independent state. But that's all history, nothing you could be proud of, otherwise Croatia would be celebrating instead of laying wreaths at the site of their state sanctioned death camps.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused)

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.

Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later. Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.

The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.

God Bless the Serbs and their innate nature to strive for freedom and sovereignty.
(NEWS FLASH)

-News flash indeed. Serbia and her people were still free after the Kosovo Battle, I don't know what these guys are talking about. It just came down to who could rebuild faster... a small nation in Europe (Serbia) or an Empire consisting of many nations... hmmmm

The Serbs were against all odds and still prevailed. That is the lesson we shall remember.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe.
(Dragan)

Correct. Serbs were always the guardians of the gate into Europe.

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NEWS FLASH

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused)

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.

Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later. Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.

The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.

God Bless the Serbs and their innate nature to strive for freedom and sovereignty.

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stuck in OZ...the land of fairy tales and ...

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

You really are diagonally parked in a parallel universe aren't you.
Albanian wholesale conversion to Islam kept the Turks at bay did it?
Dorothy

Dorothy, if you're going to make such a statment then you should know when mostl Albanians converted to Islam. You obviously don't.

I would like to invite you to leave OZ but like most Serbs who share your views it might be very difficult to do so.

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

The albanians were to busy converting to islam and the croats were hiding behind the skirt of hungarians during the ottoman invasion.
(Robert1899, 28 June 2013 13:13) LOL hiding Croatians were leading the Huns aka Hungarians etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Szigetv%C3%A1r and in many other battles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak etc. Even let your Serb refugees take refuge from the Turks in Croatia big mistake.
Let me enlighten you abit, I don't know where you are from but in the U.S. the commemorate Pearl Harbor Day on December 7 each year. Also Memorial Day is celebrated with parades and picnics gatherings each year to remember fallen soldiers.
(robert1899, 28 June 2013 15:51) Another Croatian hero was at Pearl Harbour saved 100's lives the American sixth fleet payed tribute in Croatia to http://archives.starbulletin.com/2006/05/19/news/story09.html Peter Tomich.

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Too Many 'Experts' Spoil the Soup

pre 10 godina

It is not celebrating a loss, but a commemoration of a noble battle against significantly larger forces and remembering the dark centuries that followed as third a class, persecuted (particularly for their religion) and suppressed people within the Ottoman empire.

It was technically a draw. Ottoman forces suffered heavy losses and withdrew, returning years later. It is arguable that this delay gave the rest of Europe time and notice to preparewhere they were held on at the Gates of Vienna. The Serbs suffered such massive losses of men that when the Ottomans did return, they simply did not have enough manpower to resist effectively. The Ottomans, much larger by population did not have this problem.

A similar argument can be made when Hitler ordered the immediate invasion of Yugoslavia in a massive fit of rage. Barbarossa had been originally planned for May 15 at the earliest due to the usual spring floods which that year came late, and delayed to June 22 at the very latest. Hitler knew that Napoleon's late attacking of Russia was his undoing. Barbarossa was delayed by six critical weeks in part due to the weather and in part due to the large number of tanks used needed to be refitted and poor Balkans infrastructure. German historians estimate that the Yugoslav invasion may have been delayed Barbarossa by up to three weeks. It may not seem like much, but it removed Barbarossa's time buffer for other failings (i.e. German strategic blunders).

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Serbian Prince

pre 10 godina

This comment is for Lenard.... No Croatian or Albanian has a place in the celebration of Vidovdan. Nazis and Nazi collaborators have a special place in Hell!

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robert1899

pre 10 godina

Captain America,

That's funny, when asked about national origins most nations point to their historical monuments, ancient burial grounds or artifacts, historical written documents. Albanians point to Wikipedia, HAHA!!!

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MikeC

pre 10 godina

Lenard

Yes Lenny we have seen how brave croats and albanians were during the Balkan wars. Albanian terrorists were hiding in the woods while you "brave" croats were crying to Gentcher and the rest of the German political elite to help you against the big bad wolf, Serbia. Not to mention your cowardness during WW2 when you sided with Hitler and when the allies fought back you ustashe fled to Argentina, Canada and Australia. Without US intervention there would be no Croatia and certainly no terrorist albanian overflooded Kosovaaaaa.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe.
(Dragan, 28 June 2013 15:24)

Really ?! I guess that's why the Ottoman Empire achieved its greatest successes in Europe after the 14th century...

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Captain America

pre 10 godina

"The albanians were to busy converting to islam..."

this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)
(Nikolle, 28 June 2013 13:41)

Nikolle! Funny:) Apparently Albanians came from the Turks, according to another troll its the Italians, according to another troll its the Caucus mountains.... Its 2013! One would think if ANY of this was true that it would be a fact agreed up[on by everyone. Unfortunately for the Serbian folk story tellers its all untrue. Everyone knows that the Albanians originated from the Balkans and they are descended from the Illyrians. Educate yourselves!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

Kosova is FREE!!! Long live Kosova!!

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robert1899

pre 10 godina

Confused,

Let me enlighten you abit, I don't know where you are from but in the U.S. the commemorate Pearl Harbor Day on December 7 each year. Also Memorial Day is celebrated with parades and picnics gatherings each year to remember fallen soldiers.

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Goran.

pre 10 godina

"The albanians were to busy converting to islam..."this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)(Nikolle, 28. jun 2013 13:41)I thought you came on the holy albanian starshqip enterprisa (that you stole from picard after you stole his organs) from your home planet of dardaliria???I don't know how you even came to claim Kosovo when even the word you use for it is Serbian despite your a suffix?Stealing history and calling it your own won't get you anywhere you turkeys

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Dragan

pre 10 godina

Happy Vidovdan to all, even to the resident self-hating Serb Danilo. Danilo obviously does not know what a 'Pyrrhic Victory' is. Look it up genius. The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe. You're an ignoramus and a tool, and really I don't get why you don't move your business to Zagreb or Tirana?? Oh, is it because you love to exploit cheap labour while spitting on the very people who are putting food on your table? Yeah, that's very noble of you, you immoral jerk-off. You're just a bad person, period. No wonder you can't get laid.

As for Danilo's brother in arms, Lenard, the historical revisionist who obviously got his educations from some Zagreb institution...lol. Yes Lenard, it's true that there were albanians who fought on the Serb side in 1389, but they were so miniscule in number, that they were insignificant! Furthermore, they all converted to islam and were loyal lapdog servants to the Turks, just like they were to Hitler, and just like your people were to Austria-Hungary, and to Hitler (and still are).
Cheers!!

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Sumadinac

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused, 28 June 2013 13:36)

To understand Serb you must be Serb,
othervise stay confused ... don't wory.

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Danilo

pre 10 godina

"The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe. "

Yes, Dragane, I'm familiar with the comical, and demonstrably untrue, stories Serbian nationalists love telling each other. That was the point of my post :)

lol@ "many say" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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Bugar from Skoplje

pre 10 godina

this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)
(Nikolle, 28 June 2013 13:41)
Your people com to the Balkan from Sicily in city Durrer April 1042 with George Maniakes.

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Tex

pre 10 godina

((I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?))

Remember the Alamo?

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Danilo

pre 10 godina

"why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?"

It's a key piece of Serbia narcissistic pathology.

Serbia is so important. It saved Europe from Islamisation. Without Serbia, there would be minarets on Notre Damme Cathedral in Paris.

And they did this great service not by winning, mind you, but by losing.

And NOW look at how they thank us! After all we did!!

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Robert1899

pre 10 godina

The albanians were to busy converting to islam and the croats were hiding behind the skirt of hungarians during the ottoman invasion.

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Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

You really are diagonally parked in a parallel universe aren't you.
Albanian wholesale conversion to Islam kept the Turks at bay did it?
Much like how you resisted Nazi Germany by forming an SS battalion I guess.

Only an Albanian would claim the crown of thorns AND the thirty pieces of silver.

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confused

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

Serbs you should invite the Croatians and Albanians. Who stood with you shoulder to shoulder at that battle against the thieving murdering pillaging raping gangs of Turks. The battle was a draw later Albanians and more Croatians carried the fight for centuries that finally wore out the Turks and led to their demise. Until you Orthodox peoples started fighting among you self's to spoils that gave the Turks a chance and a foot hold back in Europe not to bright as usual.

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Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

You really are diagonally parked in a parallel universe aren't you.
Albanian wholesale conversion to Islam kept the Turks at bay did it?
Much like how you resisted Nazi Germany by forming an SS battalion I guess.

Only an Albanian would claim the crown of thorns AND the thirty pieces of silver.

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Robert1899

pre 10 godina

The albanians were to busy converting to islam and the croats were hiding behind the skirt of hungarians during the ottoman invasion.

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Dragan

pre 10 godina

Happy Vidovdan to all, even to the resident self-hating Serb Danilo. Danilo obviously does not know what a 'Pyrrhic Victory' is. Look it up genius. The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe. You're an ignoramus and a tool, and really I don't get why you don't move your business to Zagreb or Tirana?? Oh, is it because you love to exploit cheap labour while spitting on the very people who are putting food on your table? Yeah, that's very noble of you, you immoral jerk-off. You're just a bad person, period. No wonder you can't get laid.

As for Danilo's brother in arms, Lenard, the historical revisionist who obviously got his educations from some Zagreb institution...lol. Yes Lenard, it's true that there were albanians who fought on the Serb side in 1389, but they were so miniscule in number, that they were insignificant! Furthermore, they all converted to islam and were loyal lapdog servants to the Turks, just like they were to Hitler, and just like your people were to Austria-Hungary, and to Hitler (and still are).
Cheers!!

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Sumadinac

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused, 28 June 2013 13:36)

To understand Serb you must be Serb,
othervise stay confused ... don't wory.

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Goran.

pre 10 godina

"The albanians were to busy converting to islam..."this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)(Nikolle, 28. jun 2013 13:41)I thought you came on the holy albanian starshqip enterprisa (that you stole from picard after you stole his organs) from your home planet of dardaliria???I don't know how you even came to claim Kosovo when even the word you use for it is Serbian despite your a suffix?Stealing history and calling it your own won't get you anywhere you turkeys

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Serbian Prince

pre 10 godina

This comment is for Lenard.... No Croatian or Albanian has a place in the celebration of Vidovdan. Nazis and Nazi collaborators have a special place in Hell!

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Bugar from Skoplje

pre 10 godina

this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)
(Nikolle, 28 June 2013 13:41)
Your people com to the Balkan from Sicily in city Durrer April 1042 with George Maniakes.

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MikeC

pre 10 godina

Lenard

Yes Lenny we have seen how brave croats and albanians were during the Balkan wars. Albanian terrorists were hiding in the woods while you "brave" croats were crying to Gentcher and the rest of the German political elite to help you against the big bad wolf, Serbia. Not to mention your cowardness during WW2 when you sided with Hitler and when the allies fought back you ustashe fled to Argentina, Canada and Australia. Without US intervention there would be no Croatia and certainly no terrorist albanian overflooded Kosovaaaaa.

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robert1899

pre 10 godina

Confused,

Let me enlighten you abit, I don't know where you are from but in the U.S. the commemorate Pearl Harbor Day on December 7 each year. Also Memorial Day is celebrated with parades and picnics gatherings each year to remember fallen soldiers.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe.
(Dragan)

Correct. Serbs were always the guardians of the gate into Europe.

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

Serbs you should invite the Croatians and Albanians. Who stood with you shoulder to shoulder at that battle against the thieving murdering pillaging raping gangs of Turks. The battle was a draw later Albanians and more Croatians carried the fight for centuries that finally wore out the Turks and led to their demise. Until you Orthodox peoples started fighting among you self's to spoils that gave the Turks a chance and a foot hold back in Europe not to bright as usual.

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Tex

pre 10 godina

((I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?))

Remember the Alamo?

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused)

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.

Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later. Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.

The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.

God Bless the Serbs and their innate nature to strive for freedom and sovereignty.
(NEWS FLASH)

-News flash indeed. Serbia and her people were still free after the Kosovo Battle, I don't know what these guys are talking about. It just came down to who could rebuild faster... a small nation in Europe (Serbia) or an Empire consisting of many nations... hmmmm

The Serbs were against all odds and still prevailed. That is the lesson we shall remember.

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robert1899

pre 10 godina

Captain America,

That's funny, when asked about national origins most nations point to their historical monuments, ancient burial grounds or artifacts, historical written documents. Albanians point to Wikipedia, HAHA!!!

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confused

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?

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Danilo

pre 10 godina

"why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?"

It's a key piece of Serbia narcissistic pathology.

Serbia is so important. It saved Europe from Islamisation. Without Serbia, there would be minarets on Notre Damme Cathedral in Paris.

And they did this great service not by winning, mind you, but by losing.

And NOW look at how they thank us! After all we did!!

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icj1

pre 10 godina

The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe.
(Dragan, 28 June 2013 15:24)

Really ?! I guess that's why the Ottoman Empire achieved its greatest successes in Europe after the 14th century...

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Too Many 'Experts' Spoil the Soup

pre 10 godina

It is not celebrating a loss, but a commemoration of a noble battle against significantly larger forces and remembering the dark centuries that followed as third a class, persecuted (particularly for their religion) and suppressed people within the Ottoman empire.

It was technically a draw. Ottoman forces suffered heavy losses and withdrew, returning years later. It is arguable that this delay gave the rest of Europe time and notice to preparewhere they were held on at the Gates of Vienna. The Serbs suffered such massive losses of men that when the Ottomans did return, they simply did not have enough manpower to resist effectively. The Ottomans, much larger by population did not have this problem.

A similar argument can be made when Hitler ordered the immediate invasion of Yugoslavia in a massive fit of rage. Barbarossa had been originally planned for May 15 at the earliest due to the usual spring floods which that year came late, and delayed to June 22 at the very latest. Hitler knew that Napoleon's late attacking of Russia was his undoing. Barbarossa was delayed by six critical weeks in part due to the weather and in part due to the large number of tanks used needed to be refitted and poor Balkans infrastructure. German historians estimate that the Yugoslav invasion may have been delayed Barbarossa by up to three weeks. It may not seem like much, but it removed Barbarossa's time buffer for other failings (i.e. German strategic blunders).

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Dragan

pre 10 godina

Yes, Dragane, I'm familiar with the comical, and demonstrably untrue, stories Serbian nationalists love telling each other. That was the point of my post :)

lol@ "many say" [link]
(Danilo, 28 June 2013 15:35)

Untrue eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
'The battle was also a major blow to the Ottoman campaign, and although the Ottomans did eventually take over most of the Balkans, it took them over a hundred years to do so. After the destruction of their forces at Kosovo, the Ottomans were forced to send inexperienced reserve armies to Europe. This problem was partly solved with the "recruitment" of Jannisaries from the Balkans. The delay in Ottoman advancement also effectively stopped the Ottomans from invading central and west Europe, as it gave time to central European nations to fortify and mount proper defenses.'

I love smacking down ignorant know nothings like Danilo. It's too easy Danilo, you are so thick and knowledge deficient that you can't even mount a proper defenense. You're a delusional self-hating retard.

Cheers!!

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NEWS FLASH

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused)

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.

Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later. Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.

The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.

God Bless the Serbs and their innate nature to strive for freedom and sovereignty.

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Danilo

pre 10 godina

"The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe. "

Yes, Dragane, I'm familiar with the comical, and demonstrably untrue, stories Serbian nationalists love telling each other. That was the point of my post :)

lol@ "many say" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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Captain America

pre 10 godina

"The albanians were to busy converting to islam..."

this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)
(Nikolle, 28 June 2013 13:41)

Nikolle! Funny:) Apparently Albanians came from the Turks, according to another troll its the Italians, according to another troll its the Caucus mountains.... Its 2013! One would think if ANY of this was true that it would be a fact agreed up[on by everyone. Unfortunately for the Serbian folk story tellers its all untrue. Everyone knows that the Albanians originated from the Balkans and they are descended from the Illyrians. Educate yourselves!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

Kosova is FREE!!! Long live Kosova!!

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Nikolle

pre 10 godina

The battle of Kosovo is a completely insignificant event in European history. Frankly, its a completely insignificant event for Serbia too, but it became mythologized in the 19th century to act as some sort of rallying cry against the Ottomans and of course to justify the conquest of Kosovo. Historians know only 2 things about this battle, that Lazar and Murad died. There's no evidence that Brankovic ever defected, there's no evidence that Milos Obilic was even a real historical character and all the oral traditions about it have their roots in poetry, written around 300 years after the event took place. Its nonsense to believe that it stopped Ottoman incursions into Europe, they conquered Serbia soon after, along with Greece and were on the outskirts of Vienna in the 17th century. Essentially what Serbs are commemorating is a myth that has been advanced by Serbian literature.

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ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Having read the usual assortment of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type comments on this site (from the usual suspects) I decided to Google the battle in question and select six random responses and all stated that the Ottoman side won the battle. Is there a reason why Google would only post such responses or is it possible that these six, and no doubt others, have it right? Frankly it ought not to matter in 2013 but my experience of the Balkans tells me that it will continue to matter for years to come, at least to the Serb side. You are a proud independent country and should celebrate that fact (and keep it that way), not keep looking backwards. We celebrate the Battle of Britain but a) we won that and b) it was 'just' 70 years ago. I hope in my lifetime we will move on from that especially as those we fought with are now our partners.

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What difference does my name make!

pre 10 godina

@Lenard
You are a genious! how do you know everything about everything,,,im bewildered!
you know the true history of the whole balkans, geopolitics, economic statistics, weapons manufacturing and the sales of them, tourism and even the weather.
,,,its as if you have access to a computer or something!
surely your knowledge of all things Croatian dwarfs anything I know, but im so thirsty for more of your expert historical facts,, would you please educate me on the "Fight carried out for centuries by Croats that wore out the ottomans and led to their demise"!, what famous battles and victories does Croatia celebrate?, and which Croatian KIng/Emporer led them into these famous battles?. I don't know why such a proud people, such as Croatians are, don't commemorate any of these major historical victories,,, maybe because there are no such dates for Croatia to celebrate, because there was no such kingdom or empire in the first place, wasn't the region of Croatia always just part of a foreign empire?
That's why Croatia loved Hitler, he gave birth to their independence, they were a nation for the first time in their history, a fascist Nazi state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of civilians within the borders of their first official legitimate independent state. But that's all history, nothing you could be proud of, otherwise Croatia would be celebrating instead of laying wreaths at the site of their state sanctioned death camps.

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MikeC

pre 10 godina

Captain America

Wikipedia was the bes source you could find to prove albanians originate from illyrians? Looks to me that this article suggested greeks have more to do with the illyrians then albanians. I think albanians come from hell. You have to steal other peoples land, culture and history to identify with something. The fact is that no other people has contributed with so little like you albs. And next time provide us with some real evidence of the illyrian/alb connection. You can't because there isn't any.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(Lenard, 28 June 2013 12:02)
What fighting did the Croats do against the Turks? Lenard you have to stop doing that otherwise you will go blind or pull it off completely.
The Austro Hungarian Empire fought the Turks not Croats. It’s like the fish that got away – it gets bigger and better with the telling every time. Next you’ll be telling us how Croatians built the Pyramids.
Thus is what happens when you have no tradition or culture of your own and make it up as you go along.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)
“.....why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses? “
Not true. Many countries celebrate losses. You have the US and Pearl Harbour then you have Australia, UK and New Zealand, they celebrate ANZAC day 25 April when their joint forces landed on Gallipoli in Turkey and several months later left in defeat.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

Wrong… Ottomans lost Bayezid I in the Battle on Ankara in 1402 where he was captured by the Mongols which threw the Ottoman Empire in turmoil for 10-20 years.
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The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

Yeah, poor Serbs… They are never understood. But yes the battle was epic and very good source of folk tales.
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-News flash indeed. Serbia and her people were still free after the Kosovo Battle, I don't know what these guys are talking about.
(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)

Yeah, if by “free” you mean becoming a vassal of the Sultan as Serbs became after the loss of 1389
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The Serbs were against all odds and still prevailed. That is the lesson we shall remember.
(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)

If losing means “prevail” in Serbian, you are certainly correct, dear. I’m of the opinion that if somebody is brainwashed, he/she can’t be considered at fault, for the simple fact that he/she does not have a brain.

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stuck in OZ...the land of fairy tales and ...

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

You really are diagonally parked in a parallel universe aren't you.
Albanian wholesale conversion to Islam kept the Turks at bay did it?
Dorothy

Dorothy, if you're going to make such a statment then you should know when mostl Albanians converted to Islam. You obviously don't.

I would like to invite you to leave OZ but like most Serbs who share your views it might be very difficult to do so.

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King Slava

pre 10 godina

Bottom line is it's a Serbian celebration of bravery of soldiers that layed down their lives against an Empire bent on conquering the world. I don't care what friggen religion you are, only heathens take pride in a vicious empire. For the record I have no issues with the croats, my grandmother was croat. Not every country had the will to stand up to Hitler, and the Croats have had their share of victories against the Turks. Serbs and Croats need to move forward.

Now as far as the Albanian people here taking pride, and reveling in the conquests of the Ottoman empire go. Do you find pride in the fact that the only reason you exist in Kosovo today is because the USA bailed you out? Keep in mind USA is the greatest ally of Israel. So technically the Jew lovers saved your butts. So next time you hypocritically point your fingers at Serbs while you sit in your homes and make racist comments toward the Jews just remember your only there because the Jews best friends kept you from being a fading memory.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(Lenard, 1 July 2013 09:07)

This is what I have been saying – its gets bigger with the telling. How the mighty Croats forces defeated the entire Serb army. God helps with idiots like Lenard. The real problem is that Croats defeated no one ever. It’s a bone stuck in their throat that they can’t remove. Even when the cowardly Croats attacked their allies the Bosnaiks, these bunglers could not get even that right because the Bosniaks turned everything on the heads and were on the verge of wiping out the Croats in Bosnia. The Croats are only good for one thing – killing old men and women and defenceless people and that is why there is this burning in the chest trying to prove something against the Serbs.
“....13 Serb brigades defeated them. Croatians where on the outskirts of criminally occupied Banja Luka”
Capitan Fruit Cake, this was part of the withdrawal agreed in the Dayton Agreement not because of mighty Croats forces. I know it hurts you cannot defeat the Serbs and it always will – we are far superior to Croats whoas soldiers are only good at peeling potatoes in the kitchen.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

This is probably why it was lost. If you want to keep full ownership of the failure, please feel free to do so :)
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Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

and no one in the US considers Pearl Harbor Day as a day of victory or a reason for celebration.
It is not considered a "holiday".
(pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)
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ANZAC day is a holiday here in Australia. Explain that then.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.
(icj1)

hahah clown. After the Battle of Kosovo Polje the Turks left retreated back to Constatinople, they did not continue in Serbia their army was destoryed, also they're Sultan was mkurdered. This is indeed a win for the Serbs. The Ottomans had the upper hand simply because they were able to rebuild faster that's it.

June 28 1389 marks the date of our battle not when we were invaded you morons.

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NEWS FLASH

pre 10 godina

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.
(icj1)

You are very mad, you drove yourself right off-course :)

After June 28, 1389 Serbia was still free, so stop dodging the point. The battle of Kosovo was clearly won by the Serbs or else the Turks would’ve continued to advance into Serbia and NOT retreat back to Constantinople to rebuild for about 40Years and try again.



Who cares about the rest, Vidovdan is about Serbia and Serbs.

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Lenard's a wank*r

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

"But pathetic Serb criminals where saved by U.S.A and Britain"
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So the rag tag Serbs that were in control of a third of Croatia, for how long Lenny?, were actually saved from the Croatian military machine by being attacked and bombed by the US and UK. I suppose the bombardment of Serbian refugees by the US and UK (Gotovina was innocent??) was also for their own good.
The war is over, hopefully for ever, and soon enough also hopefully,the hundreds of thousands of ethnically cleansed Serbs will be able to return to their ancestral land and be compensated accordingly.
There were many Pathetic Armies that totally owe every bit of their 'victory', to the USA, UK and NATO, in ex YUG.
If it wasn't for the west's involvement there would be no Croatia, maybe just the province of Zagreb in Serbia. Croatians, Bosniaks and Albanians all showed the world how much of a match they were to Serbs in the years before foreign intervention,(ie. years of sanctions, media propaganda illegal recognitions , airstrikes and military aid), NO match at all!
all that aid, but still your beloved Banja Luka is the capital of Republica Srpska forever! how many of your brigades can change that Lenny Boy???

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pss

pre 10 godina

pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)

Countries older than America, and there are a few, this type of defeat is considered as a rite of passage to true nationhood. However, in the you have Veterans Day and that is certainly celebrated.
(sj, 1 July 2013 13:36)
Yes we celebrate Veterans Day to honor all who have served our country in war and peace. We also celebrate Memorial Day for all who have given their life for America. But we do not celebrate Pearl Harbor Day as it is considered one of the saddest days of American history.
That was my point pure and simple, you used the wrong day as an analogy. I do not know enough about 1389 to make a judgment on whether it is a day Serbia should or should not celebrate.

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Eric

pre 10 godina

Never heard this day nor I will want to hear it again, no one cares, only Serbs. Turks are way ahead of Serbia economically and culturally...no one cares what you did or killed a sultan...

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"That's funny, when asked about national origins most nations point to their historical monuments, ancient burial grounds or artifacts, historical written documents. Albanians point to Wikipedia, HAHA!!!"
(robert1899, 28 June 2013 18:16)

And they even post a wrong link. What about that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians (Origin of Albanians on Wikipedia) There you can read that it's only one theory (with some pros and cons) that Albanians are descendants of ancient Illyrians.

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bobby

pre 10 godina

If battle for Kosovo (VIDOVDAN)is the most significant date and holiday for Serbia,then why did Serbia sell Kosovo and Serbs to Prishtinas criminal gang,just to join the sinking ship.Where is your PRIDE Serbia that I know your people have.Serbia stood up to Hitler and Croats who where allies with Germany what happend this time why is Serbia standing and watching Serbs being attacked everyday in Kosovo and doing nothing.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)
“.....why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses? “
Not true. Many countries celebrate losses. You have the US and Pearl Harbour then you have Australia, UK and New Zealand, they celebrate ANZAC day 25 April when their joint forces landed on Gallipoli in Turkey and several months later left in defeat.
(sj, 29 June 2013 12:05)
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That's very true but no matter how many time we tell these simpletons that they can't remember. Is there something wrong with their ability to retain information?

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pss

pre 10 godina

sj, 29 June 2013 12:05)
There is a huge difference in "celebrating" a day and "rememberance" of a day. You will see no celebrations of Pearl Harbor Day in the US. You will see memorializing the lives lost, and no one in the US considers Pearl Harbor Day as a day of victory or a reason for celebration.
It is not considered a "holiday".

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ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Uh, what: I have a choice between taking your word about what happened or reading through a whole range of different independent accounts from those with no axe to grind. Who am I going to believe? It could be argued that no war is 'won' because of the devastation that it usually wreaks on both sides.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)

Countries older than America, and there are a few, this type of defeat is considered as a rite of passage to true nationhood. However, in the you have Veterans Day and that is certainly celebrated.

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

The albanians were to busy converting to islam and the croats were hiding behind the skirt of hungarians during the ottoman invasion.
(Robert1899, 28 June 2013 13:13) LOL hiding Croatians were leading the Huns aka Hungarians etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Szigetv%C3%A1r and in many other battles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak etc. Even let your Serb refugees take refuge from the Turks in Croatia big mistake.
Let me enlighten you abit, I don't know where you are from but in the U.S. the commemorate Pearl Harbor Day on December 7 each year. Also Memorial Day is celebrated with parades and picnics gatherings each year to remember fallen soldiers.
(robert1899, 28 June 2013 15:51) Another Croatian hero was at Pearl Harbour saved 100's lives the American sixth fleet payed tribute in Croatia to http://archives.starbulletin.com/2006/05/19/news/story09.html Peter Tomich.

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uh, what?

pre 10 godina

Having read the usual assortment of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type comments on this site (from the usual suspects) I decided to Google the battle in question and select six random responses and all stated that the Ottoman side won the battle. Is there a reason why Google would only post such responses or is it possible that these six, and no doubt others, have it right? Frankly it ought not to matter in 2013 but my experience of the Balkans tells me that it will continue to matter for years to come, at least to the Serb side. You are a proud independent country and should celebrate that fact (and keep it that way), not keep looking backwards. We celebrate the Battle of Britain but a) we won that and b) it was 'just' 70 years ago. I hope in my lifetime we will move on from that especially as those we fought with are now our partners.
(ned taylor)

Think for yourself. How was it a loss, when Serbia was still free decades after thr fact?

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lenard

Yes Lenny we have seen how brave croats and albanians were during the Balkan wars. Albanian terrorists were hiding in the woods while you "brave" croats were crying to Gentcher and the rest of the German political elite to help you against the big bad wolf, Serbia. Not to mention your cowardness during WW2 when you sided with Hitler when the allies fought back chetniks fled to Argentina, Canada and Australia. Without US intervention there would be no Serbia.
(MikeC, 28 June 2013 18:43) Just one Croatian 3rd echelon brigade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar out numbered 20-1 stopt your communist/fascist chetnik Serbian criminal army on the border. Croatians with others also Serbs armed mostly with hunting rifles short on ammunition defending their town. Put the living fear in the Serbian communist/fascist army. So much that war mongering expansionist criminal Serbia gave up in fear scared its criminal forces will be totally destroyed in Croatia. Same in Bosnia when the Bosnian government asked the Croatians to put a end to minority murdering criminal Serb army. Only two elite Croatian brigades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mistral took on 13 Serb brigades defeated them. Croatians where on the outskirts of criminally occupied Banja Luka and minority Serb rebels criminal capital to deal a final blow to the criminals. But pathetic Serb criminals where saved by U.S.A and Britain now Bosnia suffers frozen conflict and justice for the mean time.

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ali

pre 10 godina

Yes Serbians saved Europe from Turks by fighting Kosova. It is clearly seen after 7 years later than 1389 Kosova Serbs fighted against Europeans together with Ottoman army at Nicopolis.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

I do not know enough about 1389 to make a judgment on whether it is a day Serbia should or should not celebrate.
(pss, 1 July 2013 14:13)
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You don't have to know enough or be convinced of anything because it is none of your business. It is Serbia's business only.
Anzac day is celebrated here in Australia and that was a HUGE defeat. So now tell us should Australia stop celebrating Anzac day and stop it being a public holiday?
You can remember your fallen and celebrate their bravery you know. Just because America doesn't do things a certain way doesn't make everyone else wrong.

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

Serbs you should invite the Croatians and Albanians. Who stood with you shoulder to shoulder at that battle against the thieving murdering pillaging raping gangs of Turks. The battle was a draw later Albanians and more Croatians carried the fight for centuries that finally wore out the Turks and led to their demise. Until you Orthodox peoples started fighting among you self's to spoils that gave the Turks a chance and a foot hold back in Europe not to bright as usual.

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Captain America

pre 10 godina

"The albanians were to busy converting to islam..."

this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)
(Nikolle, 28 June 2013 13:41)

Nikolle! Funny:) Apparently Albanians came from the Turks, according to another troll its the Italians, according to another troll its the Caucus mountains.... Its 2013! One would think if ANY of this was true that it would be a fact agreed up[on by everyone. Unfortunately for the Serbian folk story tellers its all untrue. Everyone knows that the Albanians originated from the Balkans and they are descended from the Illyrians. Educate yourselves!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

Kosova is FREE!!! Long live Kosova!!

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confused

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?

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Danilo

pre 10 godina

"The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe. "

Yes, Dragane, I'm familiar with the comical, and demonstrably untrue, stories Serbian nationalists love telling each other. That was the point of my post :)

lol@ "many say" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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Danilo

pre 10 godina

"why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?"

It's a key piece of Serbia narcissistic pathology.

Serbia is so important. It saved Europe from Islamisation. Without Serbia, there would be minarets on Notre Damme Cathedral in Paris.

And they did this great service not by winning, mind you, but by losing.

And NOW look at how they thank us! After all we did!!

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icj1

pre 10 godina

The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe.
(Dragan, 28 June 2013 15:24)

Really ?! I guess that's why the Ottoman Empire achieved its greatest successes in Europe after the 14th century...

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Dragan

pre 10 godina

Happy Vidovdan to all, even to the resident self-hating Serb Danilo. Danilo obviously does not know what a 'Pyrrhic Victory' is. Look it up genius. The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe. You're an ignoramus and a tool, and really I don't get why you don't move your business to Zagreb or Tirana?? Oh, is it because you love to exploit cheap labour while spitting on the very people who are putting food on your table? Yeah, that's very noble of you, you immoral jerk-off. You're just a bad person, period. No wonder you can't get laid.

As for Danilo's brother in arms, Lenard, the historical revisionist who obviously got his educations from some Zagreb institution...lol. Yes Lenard, it's true that there were albanians who fought on the Serb side in 1389, but they were so miniscule in number, that they were insignificant! Furthermore, they all converted to islam and were loyal lapdog servants to the Turks, just like they were to Hitler, and just like your people were to Austria-Hungary, and to Hitler (and still are).
Cheers!!

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

The albanians were to busy converting to islam and the croats were hiding behind the skirt of hungarians during the ottoman invasion.
(Robert1899, 28 June 2013 13:13) LOL hiding Croatians were leading the Huns aka Hungarians etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Szigetv%C3%A1r and in many other battles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sisak etc. Even let your Serb refugees take refuge from the Turks in Croatia big mistake.
Let me enlighten you abit, I don't know where you are from but in the U.S. the commemorate Pearl Harbor Day on December 7 each year. Also Memorial Day is celebrated with parades and picnics gatherings each year to remember fallen soldiers.
(robert1899, 28 June 2013 15:51) Another Croatian hero was at Pearl Harbour saved 100's lives the American sixth fleet payed tribute in Croatia to http://archives.starbulletin.com/2006/05/19/news/story09.html Peter Tomich.

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Nikolle

pre 10 godina

The battle of Kosovo is a completely insignificant event in European history. Frankly, its a completely insignificant event for Serbia too, but it became mythologized in the 19th century to act as some sort of rallying cry against the Ottomans and of course to justify the conquest of Kosovo. Historians know only 2 things about this battle, that Lazar and Murad died. There's no evidence that Brankovic ever defected, there's no evidence that Milos Obilic was even a real historical character and all the oral traditions about it have their roots in poetry, written around 300 years after the event took place. Its nonsense to believe that it stopped Ottoman incursions into Europe, they conquered Serbia soon after, along with Greece and were on the outskirts of Vienna in the 17th century. Essentially what Serbs are commemorating is a myth that has been advanced by Serbian literature.

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Robert1899

pre 10 godina

The albanians were to busy converting to islam and the croats were hiding behind the skirt of hungarians during the ottoman invasion.

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Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

You really are diagonally parked in a parallel universe aren't you.
Albanian wholesale conversion to Islam kept the Turks at bay did it?
Much like how you resisted Nazi Germany by forming an SS battalion I guess.

Only an Albanian would claim the crown of thorns AND the thirty pieces of silver.

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Bugar from Skoplje

pre 10 godina

this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)
(Nikolle, 28 June 2013 13:41)
Your people com to the Balkan from Sicily in city Durrer April 1042 with George Maniakes.

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Goran.

pre 10 godina

"The albanians were to busy converting to islam..."this is really interesting, i thought we came with the Ottomans :-)(Nikolle, 28. jun 2013 13:41)I thought you came on the holy albanian starshqip enterprisa (that you stole from picard after you stole his organs) from your home planet of dardaliria???I don't know how you even came to claim Kosovo when even the word you use for it is Serbian despite your a suffix?Stealing history and calling it your own won't get you anywhere you turkeys

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stuck in OZ...the land of fairy tales and ...

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

You really are diagonally parked in a parallel universe aren't you.
Albanian wholesale conversion to Islam kept the Turks at bay did it?
Dorothy

Dorothy, if you're going to make such a statment then you should know when mostl Albanians converted to Islam. You obviously don't.

I would like to invite you to leave OZ but like most Serbs who share your views it might be very difficult to do so.

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Sumadinac

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused, 28 June 2013 13:36)

To understand Serb you must be Serb,
othervise stay confused ... don't wory.

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NEWS FLASH

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused)

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.

Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later. Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.

The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.

God Bless the Serbs and their innate nature to strive for freedom and sovereignty.

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MikeC

pre 10 godina

Lenard

Yes Lenny we have seen how brave croats and albanians were during the Balkan wars. Albanian terrorists were hiding in the woods while you "brave" croats were crying to Gentcher and the rest of the German political elite to help you against the big bad wolf, Serbia. Not to mention your cowardness during WW2 when you sided with Hitler and when the allies fought back you ustashe fled to Argentina, Canada and Australia. Without US intervention there would be no Croatia and certainly no terrorist albanian overflooded Kosovaaaaa.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

The Turks suffered such heavy losses that it slowed them down and many say stopped their take over of the rest of Europe.
(Dragan)

Correct. Serbs were always the guardians of the gate into Europe.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?
(confused)

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.

Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later. Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.

The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.

God Bless the Serbs and their innate nature to strive for freedom and sovereignty.
(NEWS FLASH)

-News flash indeed. Serbia and her people were still free after the Kosovo Battle, I don't know what these guys are talking about. It just came down to who could rebuild faster... a small nation in Europe (Serbia) or an Empire consisting of many nations... hmmmm

The Serbs were against all odds and still prevailed. That is the lesson we shall remember.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

Serbs lost a kind, Ottomans lost a sultan at a Serbs hand this is the only time in Ottoman history where/when the sultan is murdered at the hand of the enemy. And the loss of the sultans' son, who died in battle. They were wrecked.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

Wrong… Ottomans lost Bayezid I in the Battle on Ankara in 1402 where he was captured by the Mongols which threw the Ottoman Empire in turmoil for 10-20 years.
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The Battle of 1389 was an epic Battle among the top in European history and I am not even Serbia, you guys have no idea what other European nations have wrote about the Serbs in regards to Kosovo, if only the Europeans today knew.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

Yeah, poor Serbs… They are never understood. But yes the battle was epic and very good source of folk tales.
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-News flash indeed. Serbia and her people were still free after the Kosovo Battle, I don't know what these guys are talking about.
(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)

Yeah, if by “free” you mean becoming a vassal of the Sultan as Serbs became after the loss of 1389
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The Serbs were against all odds and still prevailed. That is the lesson we shall remember.
(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)

If losing means “prevail” in Serbian, you are certainly correct, dear. I’m of the opinion that if somebody is brainwashed, he/she can’t be considered at fault, for the simple fact that he/she does not have a brain.

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Tex

pre 10 godina

((I don't quite understand the serbs. Firstly, the battle of Kosovo was fought by ALL Balkan christians, not just serbs. Second, why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses?))

Remember the Alamo?

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icj1

pre 10 godina

Firstly the Battle of Kosovo consisted of mainly Serbs, commanded by Serbs and 100% supported by Serbs, all other allies who took part were miniscule in comparassant and under Serbian authority.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

This is probably why it was lost. If you want to keep full ownership of the failure, please feel free to do so :)
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Secondly the Battle was won, what loss? The Ottomans were devastated after that battle and didn't conquer the region till about 70 years later.
(NEWS FLASH, 28 June 2013 20:51)

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.

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Serbian Prince

pre 10 godina

This comment is for Lenard.... No Croatian or Albanian has a place in the celebration of Vidovdan. Nazis and Nazi collaborators have a special place in Hell!

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Eric

pre 10 godina

Never heard this day nor I will want to hear it again, no one cares, only Serbs. Turks are way ahead of Serbia economically and culturally...no one cares what you did or killed a sultan...

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robert1899

pre 10 godina

Captain America,

That's funny, when asked about national origins most nations point to their historical monuments, ancient burial grounds or artifacts, historical written documents. Albanians point to Wikipedia, HAHA!!!

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Lenard

pre 10 godina

Lenard

Yes Lenny we have seen how brave croats and albanians were during the Balkan wars. Albanian terrorists were hiding in the woods while you "brave" croats were crying to Gentcher and the rest of the German political elite to help you against the big bad wolf, Serbia. Not to mention your cowardness during WW2 when you sided with Hitler when the allies fought back chetniks fled to Argentina, Canada and Australia. Without US intervention there would be no Serbia.
(MikeC, 28 June 2013 18:43) Just one Croatian 3rd echelon brigade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar out numbered 20-1 stopt your communist/fascist chetnik Serbian criminal army on the border. Croatians with others also Serbs armed mostly with hunting rifles short on ammunition defending their town. Put the living fear in the Serbian communist/fascist army. So much that war mongering expansionist criminal Serbia gave up in fear scared its criminal forces will be totally destroyed in Croatia. Same in Bosnia when the Bosnian government asked the Croatians to put a end to minority murdering criminal Serb army. Only two elite Croatian brigades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mistral took on 13 Serb brigades defeated them. Croatians where on the outskirts of criminally occupied Banja Luka and minority Serb rebels criminal capital to deal a final blow to the criminals. But pathetic Serb criminals where saved by U.S.A and Britain now Bosnia suffers frozen conflict and justice for the mean time.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(Lenard, 28 June 2013 12:02)
What fighting did the Croats do against the Turks? Lenard you have to stop doing that otherwise you will go blind or pull it off completely.
The Austro Hungarian Empire fought the Turks not Croats. It’s like the fish that got away – it gets bigger and better with the telling every time. Next you’ll be telling us how Croatians built the Pyramids.
Thus is what happens when you have no tradition or culture of your own and make it up as you go along.

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Dragan

pre 10 godina

Yes, Dragane, I'm familiar with the comical, and demonstrably untrue, stories Serbian nationalists love telling each other. That was the point of my post :)

lol@ "many say" [link]
(Danilo, 28 June 2013 15:35)

Untrue eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo
'The battle was also a major blow to the Ottoman campaign, and although the Ottomans did eventually take over most of the Balkans, it took them over a hundred years to do so. After the destruction of their forces at Kosovo, the Ottomans were forced to send inexperienced reserve armies to Europe. This problem was partly solved with the "recruitment" of Jannisaries from the Balkans. The delay in Ottoman advancement also effectively stopped the Ottomans from invading central and west Europe, as it gave time to central European nations to fortify and mount proper defenses.'

I love smacking down ignorant know nothings like Danilo. It's too easy Danilo, you are so thick and knowledge deficient that you can't even mount a proper defenense. You're a delusional self-hating retard.

Cheers!!

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 10 godina

"That's funny, when asked about national origins most nations point to their historical monuments, ancient burial grounds or artifacts, historical written documents. Albanians point to Wikipedia, HAHA!!!"
(robert1899, 28 June 2013 18:16)

And they even post a wrong link. What about that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians (Origin of Albanians on Wikipedia) There you can read that it's only one theory (with some pros and cons) that Albanians are descendants of ancient Illyrians.

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ali

pre 10 godina

Yes Serbians saved Europe from Turks by fighting Kosova. It is clearly seen after 7 years later than 1389 Kosova Serbs fighted against Europeans together with Ottoman army at Nicopolis.

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robert1899

pre 10 godina

Confused,

Let me enlighten you abit, I don't know where you are from but in the U.S. the commemorate Pearl Harbor Day on December 7 each year. Also Memorial Day is celebrated with parades and picnics gatherings each year to remember fallen soldiers.

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Too Many 'Experts' Spoil the Soup

pre 10 godina

It is not celebrating a loss, but a commemoration of a noble battle against significantly larger forces and remembering the dark centuries that followed as third a class, persecuted (particularly for their religion) and suppressed people within the Ottoman empire.

It was technically a draw. Ottoman forces suffered heavy losses and withdrew, returning years later. It is arguable that this delay gave the rest of Europe time and notice to preparewhere they were held on at the Gates of Vienna. The Serbs suffered such massive losses of men that when the Ottomans did return, they simply did not have enough manpower to resist effectively. The Ottomans, much larger by population did not have this problem.

A similar argument can be made when Hitler ordered the immediate invasion of Yugoslavia in a massive fit of rage. Barbarossa had been originally planned for May 15 at the earliest due to the usual spring floods which that year came late, and delayed to June 22 at the very latest. Hitler knew that Napoleon's late attacking of Russia was his undoing. Barbarossa was delayed by six critical weeks in part due to the weather and in part due to the large number of tanks used needed to be refitted and poor Balkans infrastructure. German historians estimate that the Yugoslav invasion may have been delayed Barbarossa by up to three weeks. It may not seem like much, but it removed Barbarossa's time buffer for other failings (i.e. German strategic blunders).

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What difference does my name make!

pre 10 godina

@Lenard
You are a genious! how do you know everything about everything,,,im bewildered!
you know the true history of the whole balkans, geopolitics, economic statistics, weapons manufacturing and the sales of them, tourism and even the weather.
,,,its as if you have access to a computer or something!
surely your knowledge of all things Croatian dwarfs anything I know, but im so thirsty for more of your expert historical facts,, would you please educate me on the "Fight carried out for centuries by Croats that wore out the ottomans and led to their demise"!, what famous battles and victories does Croatia celebrate?, and which Croatian KIng/Emporer led them into these famous battles?. I don't know why such a proud people, such as Croatians are, don't commemorate any of these major historical victories,,, maybe because there are no such dates for Croatia to celebrate, because there was no such kingdom or empire in the first place, wasn't the region of Croatia always just part of a foreign empire?
That's why Croatia loved Hitler, he gave birth to their independence, they were a nation for the first time in their history, a fascist Nazi state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of civilians within the borders of their first official legitimate independent state. But that's all history, nothing you could be proud of, otherwise Croatia would be celebrating instead of laying wreaths at the site of their state sanctioned death camps.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)
“.....why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses? “
Not true. Many countries celebrate losses. You have the US and Pearl Harbour then you have Australia, UK and New Zealand, they celebrate ANZAC day 25 April when their joint forces landed on Gallipoli in Turkey and several months later left in defeat.

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Lenard's a wank*r

pre 10 godina

@Lenard

"But pathetic Serb criminals where saved by U.S.A and Britain"
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So the rag tag Serbs that were in control of a third of Croatia, for how long Lenny?, were actually saved from the Croatian military machine by being attacked and bombed by the US and UK. I suppose the bombardment of Serbian refugees by the US and UK (Gotovina was innocent??) was also for their own good.
The war is over, hopefully for ever, and soon enough also hopefully,the hundreds of thousands of ethnically cleansed Serbs will be able to return to their ancestral land and be compensated accordingly.
There were many Pathetic Armies that totally owe every bit of their 'victory', to the USA, UK and NATO, in ex YUG.
If it wasn't for the west's involvement there would be no Croatia, maybe just the province of Zagreb in Serbia. Croatians, Bosniaks and Albanians all showed the world how much of a match they were to Serbs in the years before foreign intervention,(ie. years of sanctions, media propaganda illegal recognitions , airstrikes and military aid), NO match at all!
all that aid, but still your beloved Banja Luka is the capital of Republica Srpska forever! how many of your brigades can change that Lenny Boy???

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MikeC

pre 10 godina

Captain America

Wikipedia was the bes source you could find to prove albanians originate from illyrians? Looks to me that this article suggested greeks have more to do with the illyrians then albanians. I think albanians come from hell. You have to steal other peoples land, culture and history to identify with something. The fact is that no other people has contributed with so little like you albs. And next time provide us with some real evidence of the illyrian/alb connection. You can't because there isn't any.

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King Slava

pre 10 godina

Bottom line is it's a Serbian celebration of bravery of soldiers that layed down their lives against an Empire bent on conquering the world. I don't care what friggen religion you are, only heathens take pride in a vicious empire. For the record I have no issues with the croats, my grandmother was croat. Not every country had the will to stand up to Hitler, and the Croats have had their share of victories against the Turks. Serbs and Croats need to move forward.

Now as far as the Albanian people here taking pride, and reveling in the conquests of the Ottoman empire go. Do you find pride in the fact that the only reason you exist in Kosovo today is because the USA bailed you out? Keep in mind USA is the greatest ally of Israel. So technically the Jew lovers saved your butts. So next time you hypocritically point your fingers at Serbs while you sit in your homes and make racist comments toward the Jews just remember your only there because the Jews best friends kept you from being a fading memory.

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pss

pre 10 godina

sj, 29 June 2013 12:05)
There is a huge difference in "celebrating" a day and "rememberance" of a day. You will see no celebrations of Pearl Harbor Day in the US. You will see memorializing the lives lost, and no one in the US considers Pearl Harbor Day as a day of victory or a reason for celebration.
It is not considered a "holiday".

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

and no one in the US considers Pearl Harbor Day as a day of victory or a reason for celebration.
It is not considered a "holiday".
(pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)
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ANZAC day is a holiday here in Australia. Explain that then.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

(trudsaam, 28 June 2013 23:46)
“.....why are serbs the only people in this world that celebrates losses? “
Not true. Many countries celebrate losses. You have the US and Pearl Harbour then you have Australia, UK and New Zealand, they celebrate ANZAC day 25 April when their joint forces landed on Gallipoli in Turkey and several months later left in defeat.
(sj, 29 June 2013 12:05)
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That's very true but no matter how many time we tell these simpletons that they can't remember. Is there something wrong with their ability to retain information?

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sj

pre 10 godina

(Lenard, 1 July 2013 09:07)

This is what I have been saying – its gets bigger with the telling. How the mighty Croats forces defeated the entire Serb army. God helps with idiots like Lenard. The real problem is that Croats defeated no one ever. It’s a bone stuck in their throat that they can’t remove. Even when the cowardly Croats attacked their allies the Bosnaiks, these bunglers could not get even that right because the Bosniaks turned everything on the heads and were on the verge of wiping out the Croats in Bosnia. The Croats are only good for one thing – killing old men and women and defenceless people and that is why there is this burning in the chest trying to prove something against the Serbs.
“....13 Serb brigades defeated them. Croatians where on the outskirts of criminally occupied Banja Luka”
Capitan Fruit Cake, this was part of the withdrawal agreed in the Dayton Agreement not because of mighty Croats forces. I know it hurts you cannot defeat the Serbs and it always will – we are far superior to Croats whoas soldiers are only good at peeling potatoes in the kitchen.

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ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Having read the usual assortment of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type comments on this site (from the usual suspects) I decided to Google the battle in question and select six random responses and all stated that the Ottoman side won the battle. Is there a reason why Google would only post such responses or is it possible that these six, and no doubt others, have it right? Frankly it ought not to matter in 2013 but my experience of the Balkans tells me that it will continue to matter for years to come, at least to the Serb side. You are a proud independent country and should celebrate that fact (and keep it that way), not keep looking backwards. We celebrate the Battle of Britain but a) we won that and b) it was 'just' 70 years ago. I hope in my lifetime we will move on from that especially as those we fought with are now our partners.

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NEWS FLASH

pre 10 godina

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.
(icj1)

You are very mad, you drove yourself right off-course :)

After June 28, 1389 Serbia was still free, so stop dodging the point. The battle of Kosovo was clearly won by the Serbs or else the Turks would’ve continued to advance into Serbia and NOT retreat back to Constantinople to rebuild for about 40Years and try again.



Who cares about the rest, Vidovdan is about Serbia and Serbs.

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bobby

pre 10 godina

If battle for Kosovo (VIDOVDAN)is the most significant date and holiday for Serbia,then why did Serbia sell Kosovo and Serbs to Prishtinas criminal gang,just to join the sinking ship.Where is your PRIDE Serbia that I know your people have.Serbia stood up to Hitler and Croats who where allies with Germany what happend this time why is Serbia standing and watching Serbs being attacked everyday in Kosovo and doing nothing.

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sj

pre 10 godina

(pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)

Countries older than America, and there are a few, this type of defeat is considered as a rite of passage to true nationhood. However, in the you have Veterans Day and that is certainly celebrated.

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pss

pre 10 godina

pss, 1 July 2013 05:27)

Countries older than America, and there are a few, this type of defeat is considered as a rite of passage to true nationhood. However, in the you have Veterans Day and that is certainly celebrated.
(sj, 1 July 2013 13:36)
Yes we celebrate Veterans Day to honor all who have served our country in war and peace. We also celebrate Memorial Day for all who have given their life for America. But we do not celebrate Pearl Harbor Day as it is considered one of the saddest days of American history.
That was my point pure and simple, you used the wrong day as an analogy. I do not know enough about 1389 to make a judgment on whether it is a day Serbia should or should not celebrate.

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trudsaam

pre 10 godina

The Ottomans continued to conquer most of the Balkans in the decade after that battle as if nothing had happened. They conquered Northern Greece, Bulgaria, sieged Constantinople and won against the last large crusade in 1396 in Nicopolis and reduced the Byzantine Empire to the area immediately surrounding Constantinople. What devastated the Ottomans and stopped their advance for a couple of decades were the Mongols in 1402, not something insignificant like Serbia which was just a vassal of the Ottomans after 1389. Both Albanians & Serbs continue to live these grandeur dreams as being them who stopped the Ottoman Empire from conquering Europe.
(icj1)

hahah clown. After the Battle of Kosovo Polje the Turks left retreated back to Constatinople, they did not continue in Serbia their army was destoryed, also they're Sultan was mkurdered. This is indeed a win for the Serbs. The Ottomans had the upper hand simply because they were able to rebuild faster that's it.

June 28 1389 marks the date of our battle not when we were invaded you morons.

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uh, what?

pre 10 godina

Having read the usual assortment of 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type comments on this site (from the usual suspects) I decided to Google the battle in question and select six random responses and all stated that the Ottoman side won the battle. Is there a reason why Google would only post such responses or is it possible that these six, and no doubt others, have it right? Frankly it ought not to matter in 2013 but my experience of the Balkans tells me that it will continue to matter for years to come, at least to the Serb side. You are a proud independent country and should celebrate that fact (and keep it that way), not keep looking backwards. We celebrate the Battle of Britain but a) we won that and b) it was 'just' 70 years ago. I hope in my lifetime we will move on from that especially as those we fought with are now our partners.
(ned taylor)

Think for yourself. How was it a loss, when Serbia was still free decades after thr fact?

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ned taylor

pre 10 godina

Uh, what: I have a choice between taking your word about what happened or reading through a whole range of different independent accounts from those with no axe to grind. Who am I going to believe? It could be argued that no war is 'won' because of the devastation that it usually wreaks on both sides.

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Peggy

pre 10 godina

I do not know enough about 1389 to make a judgment on whether it is a day Serbia should or should not celebrate.
(pss, 1 July 2013 14:13)
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You don't have to know enough or be convinced of anything because it is none of your business. It is Serbia's business only.
Anzac day is celebrated here in Australia and that was a HUGE defeat. So now tell us should Australia stop celebrating Anzac day and stop it being a public holiday?
You can remember your fallen and celebrate their bravery you know. Just because America doesn't do things a certain way doesn't make everyone else wrong.

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