Belgrade, Priština reach agreement, daily claims

The thing is, Nikolic has been in negotiations with the EU/US and other western institutions for some years now. He has already agreed on many things that suit their agenda. That is the reason they allowed him into government. "Democracy" in Serbia is manipulated and controlled.

I can say with a fairly high level confidence that the end result will be a north that is essentially independent of Pristina while the southern parts are integrated to some extent.

In terms of convincing the population, this current Serbian government is doing so much better than the previous one. The sell-out sounds much more convincing although if not a fair compromise then trouble will brew again, which is what I expect.

On the positive side, once the negotiations are done, the pressure will be off and we can then focus more on building a better future for ourselves. That is, until Albanian nationalism gets to the point where needs to be dealt.

Nik- democratic standards? You're having a laugh. How were those elections in Kosovo btw. An absolute joke. Clan systems have no place in the modern world, but then Albania is the most backward country in Europe (Not me saying that, every independent research group says that).

If Belgrade has reached agreement with Pristina regarding the Serb municipalities then that will be enforced by Brussels. Remember that Brussels feeds the Albanian s in Kosovo and they can very easily stop Pristina dead in it tracks – no money then starvation.
I love these stories about yes they will accept but without pressure and then no implantation. If that is the case why go through this charade? except if you have to calm the locals who have suffered for nothing. The Albanians have lost big time.

I am glad a deal has been struck. Now we can all move on and focus on urgent matters like the economy, job creation, peace. In the mean time keep Nikolic at bay (i.e. send him on a long holiday) before he f..ks up again.

whoooshhh, this is the sound of you not getting the point the Jeff :-). no idea what Albania has to do with this article here, its not even mentioned. don't worry, as bad as Albania is, it still hasn't produced any war criminals, unlike heavenly Serbia. not my opinion Jeff, but the verdicts of an International Court

Q. Zoran do you know your history? Do you know that from the beginning of the 1980s, the Kosovo Serb movement used a wide range of racist arguments to fuel anti-Albanian sentiment in Serbia and Yugoslavia. They developed propaganda saying that Albanians were making life difficult for the Serbs in order to drive them out from Kosovo. The President of the Serbian communist party, Slobodan Milosevic, realised the power of manipulating the increasingly aggressive crowd of Kosovo Serb demonstrators.
(T, 14 March 2013 12:08)
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My friend, I was in KiM in 1989 and I was told by the local Serbs how difficult life was and that K-Albanians were constantly harassing and treating them as second class citizens.

You are not trying to deny that are you? Albanians were beating up Serbs and killing policemen. You are doing that even today, except replace policemen with civilians. You can't claim it didn't happen when it is even happening today and you claim to be independent!

It is not propaganda, Albanians are a people who cannot live in harmony with any of their neighbours. Now that is a fact and when you nationalism gets to the breaking point, the region will deal with it. You are your own worst enemy.

@ Zoran

That is the reason they allowed him (Nikolic) into government. "Democracy" in Serbia is manipulated and controlled.
(Zoran, 14 March 2013 10:21)

Q. By whom? The USA? The EU? Are you sure that your proud nation is just a puppet state? I think you read to many conspiracy theories and should take a chill-pill. This isn't an Orwellian 1984 situation. This is 2013. People have wised up.

Next
"..That is, until Albanian nationalism gets to the point where needs to be dealt."
(Zoran, 14 March 2013 10:21)

Q. Zoran do you know your history? Do you know that from the beginning of the 1980s, the Kosovo Serb movement used a wide range of racist arguments to fuel anti-Albanian sentiment in Serbia and Yugoslavia. They developed propaganda saying that Albanians were making life difficult for the Serbs in order to drive them out from Kosovo. The President of the Serbian communist party, Slobodan Milosevic, realised the power of manipulating the increasingly aggressive crowd of Kosovo Serb demonstrators. He used this to overthrow the confused leaders of Serbia, Montenegro and Vojvodina, thus destroying the delicate balance of power within the Yugoslav federation. Milosevic mounted an anti-Albanian campaign. He launched direct attacks on Albanians and tried to humiliate
them as much as possible. As part of this policy he politically eliminated and even arrested moderate Albanian communist leader Azem Vllasi.

Nik- when I read an Albanian talking about democratic standards I laugh so hard I cry therefore perhaps missed your point. Apologies.

Journalist Živojin Rakočević, who lives in Kosovo, told Radio B92 that he did not expect the international community to exert pressure on Priština in a true sense of the word.

“It is obvious Priština is asked to formally accept something that does not sound good now. But the point is not what Priština will accept but what it wants and can implement. This is the basis of the problem. We have had no guarantees in the past 13 years that Priština has implemented anything that did not suit it. You can not expect from a half-built society that has no capacity to implement democratic standards. However, this society sees the democratic standards as the other side’s weakness,” he explained. "

Prishtina is accepting without any pressure -how Serbia it gets- from outside some very soft agreements but it will never implement this. At the end belgrade will have a useless agreement in the hands but nobody (EU/US) will make any pressure on Prishtina to implement it. This happened sometimes in the history of international law: both sides declared the agreements as great victory. The Serb Community must have the real support (!) Prishtina to bring this community into force. There is no interest from Prishtina and no power against the wide-spreaded idea of Greater Albania among the population. For the Serbs in the villages Prishtina/EULEX is far when the Albanians are forcing the Serbs to leave their property and Kosovo. Bad deal for the Serbs for empty promises.

"However, this society sees the democratic standards as the other side’s weakness"

well, someone certainly thinks highly of their country. wasn't it the EU that has continually asked Swrbia to implement the agreements reached so far? yes, we're exploiting your very high democratic standards to the tilt :-) if only you were a dictatorship

I was in Kim too in the early nineties. Pristina was bustling. The albainians I talked to were far more scared of the kla than anything else. I wonder when will the Albanians investigate the murder of their own by the kla.

I was in Kim too in the early nineties. Pristina was bustling. The albainians I talked to were far more scared of the kla than anything else. I wonder when will the Albanians investigate the murder of their own by the kla.
(Aura, 14 March 2013 15:16)I was in Kim too in the early nineties. Pristina was bustling. The albainians I talked to were far more scared of the kla than anything else. I wonder when will the Albanians investigate the murder of their own by the kla.
(Aura, 14 March 2013 15:16)

Oooooohhhh, what a cheap lie. I was in really in the 1990s in Kosovo

1. Prishtina had a curfew during the night. So there is was no chance that it was bustling, except during day. MAybe you were referring to the people running from Serbian police and confused this with "bustling".

2. And this is the most terrible lie. KLA came 1996, so there is no chance at all that people were encountering or even fearing KLA in the "early nineties" as you stated, because it was simply not there yet. Nice try..

1996? Are you sure? I remember vividly the graffiti on Orthodox churches. Nice try, John. And when will you investigate the murder of thousands of Albanians killed by the KLA.

To all of you, especially Zoran.
I am not Albanian nor a Serb. Doesn't matter where I am from. I read the news, study history as well as the facts and have an opinion.
I am not biased towards either and have friends from both sides.
However, I know you 2 peoples have been at each others throat since Prince Lazar lost to the Turks in 1389.
Albanians who have, if you follow history, a right at secession but should respect the fact that Serbs consider Kosovo as their heartland.
After all, if you study history (in detail) it was the Albanians, not the Serbs, not the Greeks, who drove out the Turks from the Balkans.
Your leaders, both Serb and Albanian, have acknowledged that the current situation is untenable and that a new chapter in modern history should unfold, hopefully leading to a lasting solution.
Only narrow minded individuals with nationalistic tendencies, whether Albanian or Serb, can not and will not see the benefit of compromise.

"To all of you, especially Zoran.
I am not Albanian nor a Serb. Doesn't matter where I am from."
---------------------
But it does matter very much where you are from for it shows us whether you really are biased or not.

"Albanians who have, if you follow history, a right at secession but should respect the fact that Serbs consider Kosovo as their heartland."
================
So tell us what does history say that gives the Albanians right to secede?

"After all, if you study history (in detail) it was the Albanians, not the Serbs, not the Greeks, who drove out the Turks from the Balkans."
----------------------

Oh I see, the Albanians drove the Turks out by converting to Islam. Yep, that makes enormeous sense to me.
"Only narrow minded individuals with nationalistic tendencies, whether Albanian or Serb, can not and will not see the benefit of compromise."
(T, 14 March 2013 18:28)
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What does compromise look like to you? You have already stated that Albanians have a right to secede so where is the compromise?
Spare me the "I am not biased" cr@p, you are and by not wanting to tell us what your background is, you obviously are hiding it for a reason.

"I can say with a fairly high level confidence that the end result will be a north that is essentially independent of Pristina while the southern parts are integrated to some extent.

Zoran"

Read my lips "NO EXECUTIVE POWERS"!!! Anything short of that is a victory for Kosova. Your own leaders Dacic and Nikolic even said so.

To all of you, especially Zoran.
I am not Albanian nor a Serb. Doesn't matter where I am from. I read the news, study history as well as the facts and have an opinion.
I am not biased towards either and have friends from both sides.
(T, 14 March 2013 18:28)
--
LOL! You are a funny chap. Which version of history did you study? BTW, everyone has a bias, it is unavoidable my friend. You are biased towards the Albanian version of history, now that is fairly obvious.

BTW, you wouldn't be on Thaci's payroll would you?

Zoran"
Read my lips "NO EXECUTIVE POWERS"!!!
(Captain America, 14 March 2013 15:12)
--
My friend, speak up, I can't hear you. Those Serbs in northern KiM seem to be having hearing problems also. What did you say?

Hardly any positive comments regarding this article. The current government is trying to accomplish something here to be a EU member someday, even though so many want it to join the Belarus/Russia club. Serbia needs reforms, jobs, production, and to be immersed into Europe. They are a European Country. A country that people should want to visit from other countries in Europe. Serbia has not been part of Europe for many many years. Serbia has alot to offer in Europe and all this old rhetoric should stop. Just my comment like it or not - dont care.

Something is missing o yes why are they not holding hands singing Kumbaya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA giddy-up little dogies. Another shotgun sexless marriage of convenience so sad a pity.

Zoran, Peggy (is this a Serbian name?)
Read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Revolt_of_1912
and you will find that basically it was due to the Albanian revolt against the Turks that eventually drove the Turks out of the Balkan.

whoooshhh, this is the sound of you not getting the point the Jeff :-). no idea what Albania has to do with this article here, its not even mentioned. don't worry, as bad as Albania is, it still hasn't produced any war criminals, unlike heavenly Serbia. not my opinion Jeff, but the verdicts of an International Court

I am glad a deal has been struck. Now we can all move on and focus on urgent matters like the economy, job creation, peace. In the mean time keep Nikolic at bay (i.e. send him on a long holiday) before he f..ks up again.

The thing is, Nikolic has been in negotiations with the EU/US and other western institutions for some years now. He has already agreed on many things that suit their agenda. That is the reason they allowed him into government. "Democracy" in Serbia is manipulated and controlled.

I can say with a fairly high level confidence that the end result will be a north that is essentially independent of Pristina while the southern parts are integrated to some extent.

In terms of convincing the population, this current Serbian government is doing so much better than the previous one. The sell-out sounds much more convincing although if not a fair compromise then trouble will brew again, which is what I expect.

On the positive side, once the negotiations are done, the pressure will be off and we can then focus more on building a better future for ourselves. That is, until Albanian nationalism gets to the point where needs to be dealt.

"However, this society sees the democratic standards as the other side’s weakness"

well, someone certainly thinks highly of their country. wasn't it the EU that has continually asked Swrbia to implement the agreements reached so far? yes, we're exploiting your very high democratic standards to the tilt :-) if only you were a dictatorship

Q. Zoran do you know your history? Do you know that from the beginning of the 1980s, the Kosovo Serb movement used a wide range of racist arguments to fuel anti-Albanian sentiment in Serbia and Yugoslavia. They developed propaganda saying that Albanians were making life difficult for the Serbs in order to drive them out from Kosovo. The President of the Serbian communist party, Slobodan Milosevic, realised the power of manipulating the increasingly aggressive crowd of Kosovo Serb demonstrators.
(T, 14 March 2013 12:08)
--
My friend, I was in KiM in 1989 and I was told by the local Serbs how difficult life was and that K-Albanians were constantly harassing and treating them as second class citizens.

You are not trying to deny that are you? Albanians were beating up Serbs and killing policemen. You are doing that even today, except replace policemen with civilians. You can't claim it didn't happen when it is even happening today and you claim to be independent!

It is not propaganda, Albanians are a people who cannot live in harmony with any of their neighbours. Now that is a fact and when you nationalism gets to the breaking point, the region will deal with it. You are your own worst enemy.

@ Zoran

That is the reason they allowed him (Nikolic) into government. "Democracy" in Serbia is manipulated and controlled.
(Zoran, 14 March 2013 10:21)

Q. By whom? The USA? The EU? Are you sure that your proud nation is just a puppet state? I think you read to many conspiracy theories and should take a chill-pill. This isn't an Orwellian 1984 situation. This is 2013. People have wised up.

Next
"..That is, until Albanian nationalism gets to the point where needs to be dealt."
(Zoran, 14 March 2013 10:21)

Q. Zoran do you know your history? Do you know that from the beginning of the 1980s, the Kosovo Serb movement used a wide range of racist arguments to fuel anti-Albanian sentiment in Serbia and Yugoslavia. They developed propaganda saying that Albanians were making life difficult for the Serbs in order to drive them out from Kosovo. The President of the Serbian communist party, Slobodan Milosevic, realised the power of manipulating the increasingly aggressive crowd of Kosovo Serb demonstrators. He used this to overthrow the confused leaders of Serbia, Montenegro and Vojvodina, thus destroying the delicate balance of power within the Yugoslav federation. Milosevic mounted an anti-Albanian campaign. He launched direct attacks on Albanians and tried to humiliate
them as much as possible. As part of this policy he politically eliminated and even arrested moderate Albanian communist leader Azem Vllasi.

Nik- democratic standards? You're having a laugh. How were those elections in Kosovo btw. An absolute joke. Clan systems have no place in the modern world, but then Albania is the most backward country in Europe (Not me saying that, every independent research group says that).

Nik- when I read an Albanian talking about democratic standards I laugh so hard I cry therefore perhaps missed your point. Apologies.

If Belgrade has reached agreement with Pristina regarding the Serb municipalities then that will be enforced by Brussels. Remember that Brussels feeds the Albanian s in Kosovo and they can very easily stop Pristina dead in it tracks – no money then starvation.
I love these stories about yes they will accept but without pressure and then no implantation. If that is the case why go through this charade? except if you have to calm the locals who have suffered for nothing. The Albanians have lost big time.

I was in Kim too in the early nineties. Pristina was bustling. The albainians I talked to were far more scared of the kla than anything else. I wonder when will the Albanians investigate the murder of their own by the kla.

I was in Kim too in the early nineties. Pristina was bustling. The albainians I talked to were far more scared of the kla than anything else. I wonder when will the Albanians investigate the murder of their own by the kla.
(Aura, 14 March 2013 15:16)I was in Kim too in the early nineties. Pristina was bustling. The albainians I talked to were far more scared of the kla than anything else. I wonder when will the Albanians investigate the murder of their own by the kla.
(Aura, 14 March 2013 15:16)

Oooooohhhh, what a cheap lie. I was in really in the 1990s in Kosovo

1. Prishtina had a curfew during the night. So there is was no chance that it was bustling, except during day. MAybe you were referring to the people running from Serbian police and confused this with "bustling".

2. And this is the most terrible lie. KLA came 1996, so there is no chance at all that people were encountering or even fearing KLA in the "early nineties" as you stated, because it was simply not there yet. Nice try..

To all of you, especially Zoran.
I am not Albanian nor a Serb. Doesn't matter where I am from. I read the news, study history as well as the facts and have an opinion.
I am not biased towards either and have friends from both sides.
However, I know you 2 peoples have been at each others throat since Prince Lazar lost to the Turks in 1389.
Albanians who have, if you follow history, a right at secession but should respect the fact that Serbs consider Kosovo as their heartland.
After all, if you study history (in detail) it was the Albanians, not the Serbs, not the Greeks, who drove out the Turks from the Balkans.
Your leaders, both Serb and Albanian, have acknowledged that the current situation is untenable and that a new chapter in modern history should unfold, hopefully leading to a lasting solution.
Only narrow minded individuals with nationalistic tendencies, whether Albanian or Serb, can not and will not see the benefit of compromise.

"I can say with a fairly high level confidence that the end result will be a north that is essentially independent of Pristina while the southern parts are integrated to some extent.

Zoran"

Read my lips "NO EXECUTIVE POWERS"!!! Anything short of that is a victory for Kosova. Your own leaders Dacic and Nikolic even said so.

Journalist Živojin Rakočević, who lives in Kosovo, told Radio B92 that he did not expect the international community to exert pressure on Priština in a true sense of the word.

“It is obvious Priština is asked to formally accept something that does not sound good now. But the point is not what Priština will accept but what it wants and can implement. This is the basis of the problem. We have had no guarantees in the past 13 years that Priština has implemented anything that did not suit it. You can not expect from a half-built society that has no capacity to implement democratic standards. However, this society sees the democratic standards as the other side’s weakness,” he explained. "

Prishtina is accepting without any pressure -how Serbia it gets- from outside some very soft agreements but it will never implement this. At the end belgrade will have a useless agreement in the hands but nobody (EU/US) will make any pressure on Prishtina to implement it. This happened sometimes in the history of international law: both sides declared the agreements as great victory. The Serb Community must have the real support (!) Prishtina to bring this community into force. There is no interest from Prishtina and no power against the wide-spreaded idea of Greater Albania among the population. For the Serbs in the villages Prishtina/EULEX is far when the Albanians are forcing the Serbs to leave their property and Kosovo. Bad deal for the Serbs for empty promises.

Something is missing o yes why are they not holding hands singing Kumbaya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA giddy-up little dogies. Another shotgun sexless marriage of convenience so sad a pity.

"To all of you, especially Zoran.
I am not Albanian nor a Serb. Doesn't matter where I am from."
---------------------
But it does matter very much where you are from for it shows us whether you really are biased or not.

"Albanians who have, if you follow history, a right at secession but should respect the fact that Serbs consider Kosovo as their heartland."
================
So tell us what does history say that gives the Albanians right to secede?

"After all, if you study history (in detail) it was the Albanians, not the Serbs, not the Greeks, who drove out the Turks from the Balkans."
----------------------

Oh I see, the Albanians drove the Turks out by converting to Islam. Yep, that makes enormeous sense to me.
"Only narrow minded individuals with nationalistic tendencies, whether Albanian or Serb, can not and will not see the benefit of compromise."
(T, 14 March 2013 18:28)
===========================
What does compromise look like to you? You have already stated that Albanians have a right to secede so where is the compromise?
Spare me the "I am not biased" cr@p, you are and by not wanting to tell us what your background is, you obviously are hiding it for a reason.

To all of you, especially Zoran.
I am not Albanian nor a Serb. Doesn't matter where I am from. I read the news, study history as well as the facts and have an opinion.
I am not biased towards either and have friends from both sides.
(T, 14 March 2013 18:28)
--
LOL! You are a funny chap. Which version of history did you study? BTW, everyone has a bias, it is unavoidable my friend. You are biased towards the Albanian version of history, now that is fairly obvious.

BTW, you wouldn't be on Thaci's payroll would you?

Hardly any positive comments regarding this article. The current government is trying to accomplish something here to be a EU member someday, even though so many want it to join the Belarus/Russia club. Serbia needs reforms, jobs, production, and to be immersed into Europe. They are a European Country. A country that people should want to visit from other countries in Europe. Serbia has not been part of Europe for many many years. Serbia has alot to offer in Europe and all this old rhetoric should stop. Just my comment like it or not - dont care.

Zoran"
Read my lips "NO EXECUTIVE POWERS"!!!
(Captain America, 14 March 2013 15:12)
--
My friend, speak up, I can't hear you. Those Serbs in northern KiM seem to be having hearing problems also. What did you say?

Zoran, Peggy (is this a Serbian name?)
Read this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Revolt_of_1912
and you will find that basically it was due to the Albanian revolt against the Turks that eventually drove the Turks out of the Balkan.

1996? Are you sure? I remember vividly the graffiti on Orthodox churches. Nice try, John. And when will you investigate the murder of thousands of Albanians killed by the KLA.