Compromise on Kosovo issue is “possible”

“Russia and China are opposed to it. So, whether Kosovo gets a seat in the UN does not depend on Serbia but on the UN Security Council. Even if we had bilateral relations with Serbia, our seat in the UN would not be secured,” Tahiri concluded.

Whenever geo-political conditions change this will be the only thing that matters: will the KLA have a seat at the UN or not? If yes, it would be very hard for Serbia to have any claim over Kosovo i Metohija considering UN membership is a very standard requirement for a territory to be considered sovereign. In today's world, UN membership is the basic fundamental element to assessing whether a territory is a country or not.

So all this other sh*t is irrelevant. The Dhaciq-Thaci meetings is definitely a step back for Serbia but this can all be undone with a regime change in Belgrade. You can change leadership but UN seats are forever pretty much so unless the Albanians get that, the territory will be considered disputed for years to come.

UN membership is a very standard requirement for a territory to be considered sovereign.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2013 14:52)

Oh, please, the above is a joke, isn't it? Ukraine has been a UN member from 1945. You are not seriously saying that Ukraine was considered a sovereign country from 1945 to 1990. Similarly to any other international organization, UN is not in the business of recognizing countries.

In any case this is a moot argument. Kosovo under Serbia would not be a UN member anyway, so I'm not sure what the point of the discussion is - lack of UN membership has no bearing on Kosovo's decision on whether to be under Serbia or not.

“Russia and China are opposed to it. So, whether Kosovo gets a seat in the UN does not depend on Serbia but on the UN Security Council. Even if we had bilateral relations with Serbia, our seat in the UN would not be secured,” Tahiri concluded.

Yes. Great to see a Kosovarian politician with some knowledge how things work. So hopefully the claims that 'Serbia is blocking Kosovo's UN membership' and similar nonsense will stop. China and Russia clearly said that they won't support a state unilaterally created by an ethnic minority - full stop.

P.S: China is more credible regarding that: It's a bit hypocrite for Russia not to recognize Kosovo 'out of principled reasons', but to recognize South Ossetia on the other hand.

Albo with brain. (realistic for UN Risia & China )

UN Seat veto by Russia & China is the #1 reason a greater Albania will happen.

If Kosovo joins Albania, then the UN seat will not matter because Albania already has a UN Seat.

Greater Albania = Problem solved for Kosovo UN Seat.

UN membership is a very standard requirement for a territory to be considered sovereign.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2013 14:52)
When it suits a Serbian argument! But think about this-the only reason Serbia is a UN member today is it is the successor state of FRY, now what does that mean? As each of the other republics of FRY decided they no longer wanted to be associated with Serbia and broke off they applied and was accepted into the UN, finally as Montenegro did the same it left only Serbia to take the FRY spot. So Serbia was never accepted into the UN it won its seat by default(because no one wanted to be associated with it).
Of course you probably understand that as you don't actually live in Serbia either, do you?
Hows that for a twist on the facts.

There are no necessity of any dialogue, Dacic point out the path for Kosovo, Kosovo officials should set a date for serbs in north go home or still in Kosovo under Kosovo laws, no more Serbian intervention on Kosovo, after expiration of the date limit the Kosovo police, possibly KFOR and/or Albanian army will put order on north. UNO is cheap coin to deceive, Kosovars don’t need now a UN seat, serbs instead are praying for a UE date, Kosovo needs put on its constitution that presevo valley is Kosovar lands and then call for a real meeting with serbs, the only first subject is the formal recognition of Kosovo, if not no problem Kosovo should stop imports from Serbia, Kosovo don’t needs Serbian approval for its UDI this is another cheap cheap Serbian coin.

“Russia and China are opposed to it. So, whether Kosovo gets a seat in the UN does not depend on Serbia but on the UN Security Council. Even if we had bilateral relations with Serbia, our seat in the UN would not be secured,” Tahiri concluded.

Yes. Great to see a Kosovarian politician with some knowledge how things work. So hopefully the claims that 'Serbia is blocking Kosovo's UN membership' and similar nonsense will stop. China and Russia clearly said that they won't support a state unilaterally created by an ethnic minority - full stop.

P.S: China is more credible regarding that: It's a bit hypocrite for Russia not to recognize Kosovo 'out of principled reasons', but to recognize South Ossetia on the other hand.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 January 2013 14:45)

Your usual nonsense about Russia. Russia opposes Kosovo* UN seat as long as Serbia is against it, Russia does it only in support to Serbia.

If Russia hadn't recognized S.Ossetia, it absolutely wouldn't change US/Germany/Britain etc. stand on Kosovo.

So the penny drops for Thaci's advisor - unilateral declaration 5 years ago means nothing and still need to negotiate a solution with full agreement of Serbia. It's taken 5 years for them to realise but how long before the still Serbian citizens of Albania ethnicity in Serbia's southern province understand. I do hope they don't default to their usual violent knee jerk response and concede just like Thaci's advisor - only through talks and direct negotiations can a solution be found.

Let's get real Kosovo will never be a country in its own right not even Albanians believe it now so time for some serious Jaw-jaw rather than War-war. Real open direct discussions on find a solution all can agree on must be found not one imposed from one side or other. Serbia is ready to talk about all options in a frank manner are the Albanians ready or do they need another 5 years in addition to the 9 years prior to 2008 for status quo to continue with a determination in economic situation which affects all concerned in Serbia and Albania. Time for talking real solution without western meddling too!

Your usual nonsense about Russia. Russia opposes Kosovo* UN seat as long as Serbia is against it, Russia does it only in support to Serbia.
(aaayyy, 27 January 2013 18:07)

Russia does it in order to be perceived by Serbs as supporting Serbia. Serbs are easy buyers of everything you sell them. In exchange Russia get Serbia's assets almost for free without doing anything to keep Kosovo under Serbia - like keeping Russian soldiers in Kosovo and protect the Serbs there.

In addition, Russia has never said that if Serbia recognizes Kosovo, Russia will recognize it, as well. In addition, even if Russia were to recognize Kosovo, it does not mean that it would not veto it's UN membership. Russia has in the past vetoed UN membership of countries that it recognized.
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If Russia hadn't recognized S.Ossetia, it absolutely wouldn't change US/Germany/Britain etc. stand on Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 27 January 2013 18:07)

Yes, but it would have allowed Russia to claim that its position was "principled"...

What compromise? Serbia is giving Kosovo everything. UN seat, customs agreements. The compromise is all within serbian recognition of Kosovo being independent which is already settled. Serbia strongly supports independence in every way. They appointed an ambassador to Kosovo.

Greater Albania = Problem solved for Kosovo UN Seat.
(Samid95, 27 January 2013 16:10)
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Great idea. Why hasn't Thaci thought of it before?
Give it a try.

If Russia hadn't recognized S.Ossetia, it absolutely wouldn't change US/Germany/Britain etc. stand on Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 27 January 2013 18:07)

Yes, but it would have allowed Russia to claim that its position was "principled"...
(icj1)

Since when does the USA/NATO principled in their actions? Don't play that game, you know better.

Yes, but it would have allowed Russia to claim that its position was "principled"...
(icj1)

Since when does the USA/NATO principled in their actions? Don't play that game, you know better.
(trudsaam, 28 January 2013 05:04)

Who said that USA/NATO principled their actions ?! Only naive people like you believe that BS.

Great idea. Why hasn't Thaci thought of it before?
Give it a try.
(Peggy, 28 January 2013 09:18)

what's the rush ?!

For these negotiations kosov should ask srbs if they want the atsaharri plan. If they say yes , great. If they say no , then nothing is stopping kosov from joining another country of it's choosing. The atsaharri plan is the only written word that says kosov cannot join another country.

And as far as kosovs flag is concerned, the outline is one of six Albanian states ( represented by the white stars) the others being Albania proper, shkupi (Skopje) , tuzi municipality in in malesia, presova valley , chameria (south Albania , north Greece) all united under the red and black double headed eagle.

Hate it or love it we all know that's the final outcome, might seem like forever like watching paint dry on a wall but we all know that paint will dry.

“Russia and China are opposed to it. So, whether Kosovo gets a seat in the UN does not depend on Serbia but on the UN Security Council. Even if we had bilateral relations with Serbia, our seat in the UN would not be secured,” Tahiri concluded.

Whenever geo-political conditions change this will be the only thing that matters: will the KLA have a seat at the UN or not? If yes, it would be very hard for Serbia to have any claim over Kosovo i Metohija considering UN membership is a very standard requirement for a territory to be considered sovereign. In today's world, UN membership is the basic fundamental element to assessing whether a territory is a country or not.

So all this other sh*t is irrelevant. The Dhaciq-Thaci meetings is definitely a step back for Serbia but this can all be undone with a regime change in Belgrade. You can change leadership but UN seats are forever pretty much so unless the Albanians get that, the territory will be considered disputed for years to come.

“Russia and China are opposed to it. So, whether Kosovo gets a seat in the UN does not depend on Serbia but on the UN Security Council. Even if we had bilateral relations with Serbia, our seat in the UN would not be secured,” Tahiri concluded.

Yes. Great to see a Kosovarian politician with some knowledge how things work. So hopefully the claims that 'Serbia is blocking Kosovo's UN membership' and similar nonsense will stop. China and Russia clearly said that they won't support a state unilaterally created by an ethnic minority - full stop.

P.S: China is more credible regarding that: It's a bit hypocrite for Russia not to recognize Kosovo 'out of principled reasons', but to recognize South Ossetia on the other hand.

UN Seat veto by Russia & China is the #1 reason a greater Albania will happen.

If Kosovo joins Albania, then the UN seat will not matter because Albania already has a UN Seat.

Greater Albania = Problem solved for Kosovo UN Seat.

So the penny drops for Thaci's advisor - unilateral declaration 5 years ago means nothing and still need to negotiate a solution with full agreement of Serbia. It's taken 5 years for them to realise but how long before the still Serbian citizens of Albania ethnicity in Serbia's southern province understand. I do hope they don't default to their usual violent knee jerk response and concede just like Thaci's advisor - only through talks and direct negotiations can a solution be found.

Let's get real Kosovo will never be a country in its own right not even Albanians believe it now so time for some serious Jaw-jaw rather than War-war. Real open direct discussions on find a solution all can agree on must be found not one imposed from one side or other. Serbia is ready to talk about all options in a frank manner are the Albanians ready or do they need another 5 years in addition to the 9 years prior to 2008 for status quo to continue with a determination in economic situation which affects all concerned in Serbia and Albania. Time for talking real solution without western meddling too!

UN membership is a very standard requirement for a territory to be considered sovereign.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2013 14:52)

Oh, please, the above is a joke, isn't it? Ukraine has been a UN member from 1945. You are not seriously saying that Ukraine was considered a sovereign country from 1945 to 1990. Similarly to any other international organization, UN is not in the business of recognizing countries.

In any case this is a moot argument. Kosovo under Serbia would not be a UN member anyway, so I'm not sure what the point of the discussion is - lack of UN membership has no bearing on Kosovo's decision on whether to be under Serbia or not.

Greater Albania = Problem solved for Kosovo UN Seat.
(Samid95, 27 January 2013 16:10)
=============================
Great idea. Why hasn't Thaci thought of it before?
Give it a try.

Albo with brain. (realistic for UN Risia & China )

There are no necessity of any dialogue, Dacic point out the path for Kosovo, Kosovo officials should set a date for serbs in north go home or still in Kosovo under Kosovo laws, no more Serbian intervention on Kosovo, after expiration of the date limit the Kosovo police, possibly KFOR and/or Albanian army will put order on north. UNO is cheap coin to deceive, Kosovars don’t need now a UN seat, serbs instead are praying for a UE date, Kosovo needs put on its constitution that presevo valley is Kosovar lands and then call for a real meeting with serbs, the only first subject is the formal recognition of Kosovo, if not no problem Kosovo should stop imports from Serbia, Kosovo don’t needs Serbian approval for its UDI this is another cheap cheap Serbian coin.

UN membership is a very standard requirement for a territory to be considered sovereign.
(Ari Gold, 27 January 2013 14:52)
When it suits a Serbian argument! But think about this-the only reason Serbia is a UN member today is it is the successor state of FRY, now what does that mean? As each of the other republics of FRY decided they no longer wanted to be associated with Serbia and broke off they applied and was accepted into the UN, finally as Montenegro did the same it left only Serbia to take the FRY spot. So Serbia was never accepted into the UN it won its seat by default(because no one wanted to be associated with it).
Of course you probably understand that as you don't actually live in Serbia either, do you?
Hows that for a twist on the facts.

“Russia and China are opposed to it. So, whether Kosovo gets a seat in the UN does not depend on Serbia but on the UN Security Council. Even if we had bilateral relations with Serbia, our seat in the UN would not be secured,” Tahiri concluded.

Yes. Great to see a Kosovarian politician with some knowledge how things work. So hopefully the claims that 'Serbia is blocking Kosovo's UN membership' and similar nonsense will stop. China and Russia clearly said that they won't support a state unilaterally created by an ethnic minority - full stop.

P.S: China is more credible regarding that: It's a bit hypocrite for Russia not to recognize Kosovo 'out of principled reasons', but to recognize South Ossetia on the other hand.
(Comm. Parrisson, 27 January 2013 14:45)

Your usual nonsense about Russia. Russia opposes Kosovo* UN seat as long as Serbia is against it, Russia does it only in support to Serbia.

If Russia hadn't recognized S.Ossetia, it absolutely wouldn't change US/Germany/Britain etc. stand on Kosovo.

Your usual nonsense about Russia. Russia opposes Kosovo* UN seat as long as Serbia is against it, Russia does it only in support to Serbia.
(aaayyy, 27 January 2013 18:07)

Russia does it in order to be perceived by Serbs as supporting Serbia. Serbs are easy buyers of everything you sell them. In exchange Russia get Serbia's assets almost for free without doing anything to keep Kosovo under Serbia - like keeping Russian soldiers in Kosovo and protect the Serbs there.

In addition, Russia has never said that if Serbia recognizes Kosovo, Russia will recognize it, as well. In addition, even if Russia were to recognize Kosovo, it does not mean that it would not veto it's UN membership. Russia has in the past vetoed UN membership of countries that it recognized.
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If Russia hadn't recognized S.Ossetia, it absolutely wouldn't change US/Germany/Britain etc. stand on Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 27 January 2013 18:07)

Yes, but it would have allowed Russia to claim that its position was "principled"...

If Russia hadn't recognized S.Ossetia, it absolutely wouldn't change US/Germany/Britain etc. stand on Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 27 January 2013 18:07)

Yes, but it would have allowed Russia to claim that its position was "principled"...
(icj1)

Since when does the USA/NATO principled in their actions? Don't play that game, you know better.

What compromise? Serbia is giving Kosovo everything. UN seat, customs agreements. The compromise is all within serbian recognition of Kosovo being independent which is already settled. Serbia strongly supports independence in every way. They appointed an ambassador to Kosovo.

Yes, but it would have allowed Russia to claim that its position was "principled"...
(icj1)

Since when does the USA/NATO principled in their actions? Don't play that game, you know better.
(trudsaam, 28 January 2013 05:04)

Who said that USA/NATO principled their actions ?! Only naive people like you believe that BS.

Great idea. Why hasn't Thaci thought of it before?
Give it a try.
(Peggy, 28 January 2013 09:18)

what's the rush ?!

For these negotiations kosov should ask srbs if they want the atsaharri plan. If they say yes , great. If they say no , then nothing is stopping kosov from joining another country of it's choosing. The atsaharri plan is the only written word that says kosov cannot join another country.

And as far as kosovs flag is concerned, the outline is one of six Albanian states ( represented by the white stars) the others being Albania proper, shkupi (Skopje) , tuzi municipality in in malesia, presova valley , chameria (south Albania , north Greece) all united under the red and black double headed eagle.

Hate it or love it we all know that's the final outcome, might seem like forever like watching paint dry on a wall but we all know that paint will dry.