“Serbia will not agree to Kosovo in UN”

Spinning Award for January 2013 goes to Dacic!

let me know so I can forward you to a mental health specialist wherever you reside.
(Ari Gold, 16 January 2013 12:56)

The only one that needs his head examined is Ari Gold. The bizarre arguments he constantly comes up with, and the abusive behavior he shows on a daily basis speaks for itself. But this weird man is B92’s pet. Any kind of criticism on him normally is not published; while he can go on calling others names, insult people, spread his dangerous ideas.

(Brian, 16 January 2013 10:22)

LOL you need your head examined. The only politician that has ever ran on a pro Kosovo i Metohija independence platform is Cedomir Jovanovic who has a hard time to pass the census despite receiving more campaign financing than any other party in Serbia.

Ivica Dacic made no mention of supporting a UN seat for the Albanians in his pre election campaign. This actually is quite the norm for Serbian politicians to campaign for one thing and do another. In fact, most of the voters for the Socialist party were nationalists and therefore Ivica could not have been caught dead saying what he said not during election season.

He himself probably supports the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija but if you truly believe "the overwhelming majority of Serbs do" then kindly let me know so I can forward you to a mental health specialist wherever you reside.

It seems more of a fantasy of yours than anything close to reality. A fantasy that Serbia should support its own occupation, but I cant blame you because only Serbia can legitimize that occupation because Kosovo i Metohija rightfully and legally belongs to Serbia. But as for the people ever supporting such a thing, not in this lifetime.

Like I said, there's no shame in admitting you need help lol

I am sick and tired of these albos claiming that they are Illyrian or dardanian or whatever tribe that lived in the Balkans at that time. I live in the U.S. and have a degree in history and nowhere in any of the text books have I read (mind you these are american books) that states that Albanians are the decendents of this tribe. The first mention of an Albanian in the Balkans was made by the Byzantines 300 years after the Serbs have settled that land...

This debate is so idiotic. serbs are in Albanian land and still they think they can make demands. Kosovo always belonged to Albania, the Dardanian Kingdom and Iliret owned Kosovo way before you serbs came to the Balkans... check history yourself if you want (Not serbs history books edited by slobo - but real history! Why do you think slobo never allowed Albanian history books in Kosovo?

We will never allow you to steal Kosovo from us again!

No he can't take it back! It is perfectly in line with meeting with thaci, doing The customs deal, aPpointing an ambassador, the platform that was just passed, his comments about the platform and sovereignty. No one supports Kosovo independence more than dacic. He is the number one supporter of Kosovo independence in the world right now and the whole government agrees agree with him and anyone who voted for him.

Oh yesalbos check the real maps. I have seen one where albanians never passed Pristina.So what are you talking about.

(Willi Pfaff, 16 January 2013 15:03)

LOL oh please, B92 edited the sh** out of my comment on another news article to "Rocky" so bad that it sounds as if I was educated by Enver Hoxha! We all get edited and my comments are banned sometimes too. It happens, stop crying.

Joining the UN would prevent serbia from blocking Kosovo from joining other international bodies - but the task itself (of joining the UN body) is meaningless; it makes us neither less nor more sovereign. International relations aren't coordinated by this organization but rather by the political / military leaders of the globe.


Tung,

No decision that does not carry support of a majority is in the interest of the respective nation.

oo please shut it. soon were going to be talking about the only real problem. and that is the Albanian problem in Balkans, yea I mean the changing of the borders in Balkans. the Albanians only pleadge to one falag, the Albanian flag, and ofcourse the unity of all Albanians in one state. so that's what were going to be talking about, is how far north in present Serbia are the Albanian boarders are drawing

Who cares if Serbia accepts or not accepts Kosova's Independence?

We have 98 nations to agree with us and this is not over yet.
This is the majority and more to come over time.

What will Serbia do we have almost all the countries on our side and get into the UN?

Serbia's only opportunity to get something for two neighborhood of Serbs will be lost forever.
EU OPPORTUNITY WILL SLIP THROUGH YOUR HANDS.

REGIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PEACE AND STABILITY WILL ALSO BE LOST

Why miss these opportunities...........KOSOVA IN THE UN...........with Serbia also benefiting.

"I am sick and tired of these albos claiming that they are Illyrian or dardanian or whatever tribe that lived in the Balkans at that time."

I agree. But I'm also sick of Serbs who claim medieval Serbia was a nation state like the country is today. I'm not too fond of Bosnian Muslims who claim they're the descendants of the Bogomils and/or the Turks either. Croats who refer to medieval Croatia are getting on my nerves as well.

Serbian American

How convenient lol 300 years after? Then again ask Rod Blagojevic how successful he has been in U.S. as a governor of the sate of Illinois. Apple usually does not fall far from the tree. Rod Blagojevic is currently in prison and don't tell me you don't know why lol, or the typical story how U.S. targeted him because of his Serbian origin. Not a chance lol. Well, at this point we Albanians have full control of Kosova and it will stay this way for good. All we have left is to decide about North Kosova and Preseva Valley Bujanoc and Medvgj. Understand that Serbia will not get an accession date with EU until every single one of these issues are sorted out. EU is tired of Serbia simply because of the problems Serbia has with Croatians, Bosnians, Albanians, most recent one Vojvodina. I can assure you Serbs until these issues are completely solved Serbia is not going any where. Sadly Serbs aren't able to see further than a few days ahead. Past that everything is blurry to Serbs.
The monument in Preseva valley did not destroy Serbia's economy. It did not stop Serbia from becoming economically stabled and wealthy. That is Serbia's last problem. The real problem for Serbia is how to get it going again, how to minimize poverty... I noticed ARI talking about Kosova's poverty lol Serbia is worse if anything. ARI is very selective where to comment. I never seen him comment on headlines such as.. Serbian children eat a meal per day. Serbia's weak economy. Dinars decline

Kosovo always belonged to Albania, the Dardanian Kingdom and Iliret owned Kosovo way before you serbs came to the Balkans... (KOSOVA, 16. januar 2013 14:11)It is irrelevant who owned Kosovo 1000 years ago. What matters most is who owned it for the last 100 years. Just ask American Indians or Australian Aborigines. If a nation can hold onto a territory for 100 years then she deserves it, but only if she holds it through settlements and not an occupation.

Teslavio

Typical serb, choosing which part of history is relevant. You can't ignore the fact that Kosovo always belonged to Albanians, and we were there first and we fought for Kosovo, I mean we gave almost 10,000 lives in a single year (1998-99 war) for our Kosovo. We will never let you steal her again.

Gotsefromohrid,

You claims about Albanians are Azeri are more rediculous .
How come that Alb.language is formed IN THE BALKANS 5000 years ago,AND SRB language ONLY 1000 YEARS AGO also in the Balkan. Now who was before where?

This might be irrelevant to the topic but you need to stop with this Albanians came as emigrants from somewhere else .WE ARE indigenous people'
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/24/science/0824-origins.html?ref=science

KOSO

Can you show us some evidence on Albanians being related to Dardanians?Of course you can't.Albos are Azeris who moved to Balkans a nd they were Muslims before they arrived.

Dacic is still prime minister so obviously Serbs have no trouble with dacic Ardent support if Kosovo independence. Few people support it more.

Delon

You Albanians are all comedians.How could your language be 5000 years old when your alphabet was devised 100 years ago.Can you produce an Albanian inscription 1000 years old?I bet you can't.
Albanians are not indigenous but imported from Caucasus.Albanian language is similar to Udi which was spoken in Northern Azerbaijan .You can google Wolfgang Schulze to read his research.

Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!
===========================
The point is that the world has change a lot in the last 2000 years.
Nobody is going to redraw borders to the way they existed then not even for you "Illyrians".

I am sick and tired of these albos claiming that they are Illyrian or dardanian or whatever tribe that lived in the Balkans at that time. I live in the U.S. and have a degree in history and nowhere in any of the text books have I read (mind you these are american books) that states that Albanians are the decendents of this tribe. The first mention of an Albanian in the Balkans was made by the Byzantines 300 years after the Serbs have settled that land...
(Serbian American, 16 January 2013 15:26)

Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!

P.S. By "somebody else" I don't mean anything related to Albanians

@ICJ:

why are you always claiming an alleged illyrian ancestry, but if one asks you, I mean if someone seriously starts questioning your bold statements, you stay just quiet like a coward!?

why is that so? why are you Albanians not capable of proving your bold claims?

if it was that clear, it should be an easy task for you to come up with some real and I mean serious sources! all we are presented is some lousy internet-links to more or less useless private internet-sites, which have no credibility at all.

either you prove what you claim, or you better shut the f... up. it´s so poor to endlessly come up with that crap, as if you have no pride at all... why do you feel the need to claim the illyrians as your ancestors, is it because you´ve been the backlight of europe since history is being written?

there must be a reason to your behaviour, but nevertheless you are simply wrong with that claim. old, outdated encyclopedia brittanica-excerpts from 150 years ago or other socalled "literature" by paid charlatans like Noel Malcolm are more of a proof for the opposite, actually.

come to reason, Albanians and face the reality. you are not the descendants of the illyrians.

I am asking you for serious sources for more than five years now and you were never capable of coming up with real facts.

that should make you think, you poor boys.

especially ICJ who never answered my questions, when I proved him wrong on his UNSCR 1244 remarks...should rather be quiet, actually.

Who cares Kosovo will never be a normal country.... not without recognition from Serbia and super powers Russia and China with veto powers in the UN... Your so called country will as long as you are occupying it appear as a sad broken up line bordering Serbia in Google Maps or world atlas. As for the EU who needs you Greece, Italy, Bulgaria, Spain are doing just fantastic..... border line starvation.

American, 17 January 2013 15:55, Such a funny post from someone who signs simply American. And what heritage do you claim to yield from??
As an American, I have no clue what my true ethniticity is, I know it is a mixture of English and Cherokee Indian on one side and who knows on the other. That is why true Americans do not enter into these discussions on where we descended, unless maybe you are Native American but I truly doubt you would actually be on a Serbian News site if you were.
So now tell the truth should your name not have been Serbian or were you trying to fool people into thinking that you were presenting an American point of view?

Maybe for a start people should just read the English Wikipedia article about the nation state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state

Typically enough, the Croatian & the Serbocroatian versions are short & incomplete:
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacionalna_dr%C5%BEava
http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacionalna_dr%C5%BEava

No Serb, Bosnian or Albanian versions exists. Surprise, surprise.

Haha even if albanians were decended from the illirians(which isnt true, theyre more like Turks or something) if we gave them all their "historical" land back then we would have to give that land back to the group that inhaboted the Balkans before the illirians. It would most likely be another made up group for the albanians to identify with because they lack their own history

So now tell the truth should your name not have been Serbian or were you trying to fool people into thinking that you were presenting an American point of view?
(pss, 17 January 2013 17:40)
=========================

Using your logic you would say that Obama isn't American.

especially ICJ who never answered my questions, when I proved him wrong on his UNSCR 1244 remarks...should rather be quiet, actually.
(Jovan, 17 January 2013 11:58)

Jovan,

What is your educational background, i.e. which academic degrees do you hold, if any. You act as if only you have the correct theory, yet refuse to offer it up for scrutiny, (shades of Dick Marty). On what scholarship are you basing your supposed knowledge. You seem not to have a thesis as to who are the Albanians. You just dismiss others as being wrong without taking a position of your own. This type of strategy, I'm sure, has gotten you laughed off many a junior high school debate. Please get serious and don't think you are fooling anyone with your sophomoric tactics.

Using your logic you would say that Obama isn't American.
(Peggy, 17 January 2013 20:47)
And how did you ever come up with that!

Using your logic you would say that Obama isn't American.
(Peggy, 17 January 2013 20:47)
You're right, his birth certificate is a fake!

@ICJ:

why are you always claiming an alleged illyrian ancestry, but if one asks you, I mean if someone seriously starts questioning your bold statements, you stay just quiet like a coward!?
why is that so? why are you Albanians not capable of proving your bold claims?
(Jovan, 17 January 2013 11:58)

You confused me with some other ignorant here who claims to know about the ethnicity of those who lived in Kosovo thousands of years ago :)

Just re-posting so you can read more carefully - note the last sentence which I wrote precisely because I knew that you'd say the above:)

"Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!

P.S. By "somebody else" I don't mean anything related to Albanians
(icj1, 17 January 2013 04:27)"
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especially ICJ who never answered my questions, when I proved him wrong on his UNSCR 1244 remarks...should rather be quiet, actually.
(Jovan, 17 January 2013 11:58)

actually I agree with you here... I was totally incapable of proving you wrong on the Serbian version of UNSCR 1244 for the simple reason that I don't speak Serbia :) But I'll try to learn it... probably will ask you for help. That would be really eye-opening for me considering that almost everything in the Serbian version is different from even the Russian version of UNSCR 1244.

Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!
===…==
The point is that the world has change a lot in the last 2000 years.
Nobody is going to redraw borders to the way they existed then not even for you "Illyrians".
(Peggy, 17 January 2013 14:08)

Fully agree... make sure you convince your Serb friends as well that borders can't be determined based on hundreds of years ago.

This debate is so idiotic. serbs are in Albanian land and still they think they can make demands. Kosovo always belonged to Albania, the Dardanian Kingdom and Iliret owned Kosovo way before you serbs came to the Balkans... check history yourself if you want (Not serbs history books edited by slobo - but real history! Why do you think slobo never allowed Albanian history books in Kosovo?

We will never allow you to steal Kosovo from us again!

I am sick and tired of these albos claiming that they are Illyrian or dardanian or whatever tribe that lived in the Balkans at that time. I live in the U.S. and have a degree in history and nowhere in any of the text books have I read (mind you these are american books) that states that Albanians are the decendents of this tribe. The first mention of an Albanian in the Balkans was made by the Byzantines 300 years after the Serbs have settled that land...

(Brian, 16 January 2013 10:22)

LOL you need your head examined. The only politician that has ever ran on a pro Kosovo i Metohija independence platform is Cedomir Jovanovic who has a hard time to pass the census despite receiving more campaign financing than any other party in Serbia.

Ivica Dacic made no mention of supporting a UN seat for the Albanians in his pre election campaign. This actually is quite the norm for Serbian politicians to campaign for one thing and do another. In fact, most of the voters for the Socialist party were nationalists and therefore Ivica could not have been caught dead saying what he said not during election season.

He himself probably supports the occupation of Kosovo i Metohija but if you truly believe "the overwhelming majority of Serbs do" then kindly let me know so I can forward you to a mental health specialist wherever you reside.

It seems more of a fantasy of yours than anything close to reality. A fantasy that Serbia should support its own occupation, but I cant blame you because only Serbia can legitimize that occupation because Kosovo i Metohija rightfully and legally belongs to Serbia. But as for the people ever supporting such a thing, not in this lifetime.

Like I said, there's no shame in admitting you need help lol

oo please shut it. soon were going to be talking about the only real problem. and that is the Albanian problem in Balkans, yea I mean the changing of the borders in Balkans. the Albanians only pleadge to one falag, the Albanian flag, and ofcourse the unity of all Albanians in one state. so that's what were going to be talking about, is how far north in present Serbia are the Albanian boarders are drawing

Kosovo always belonged to Albania, the Dardanian Kingdom and Iliret owned Kosovo way before you serbs came to the Balkans... (KOSOVA, 16. januar 2013 14:11)It is irrelevant who owned Kosovo 1000 years ago. What matters most is who owned it for the last 100 years. Just ask American Indians or Australian Aborigines. If a nation can hold onto a territory for 100 years then she deserves it, but only if she holds it through settlements and not an occupation.

Who cares if Serbia accepts or not accepts Kosova's Independence?

We have 98 nations to agree with us and this is not over yet.
This is the majority and more to come over time.

What will Serbia do we have almost all the countries on our side and get into the UN?

Serbia's only opportunity to get something for two neighborhood of Serbs will be lost forever.
EU OPPORTUNITY WILL SLIP THROUGH YOUR HANDS.

REGIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PEACE AND STABILITY WILL ALSO BE LOST

Why miss these opportunities...........KOSOVA IN THE UN...........with Serbia also benefiting.

let me know so I can forward you to a mental health specialist wherever you reside.
(Ari Gold, 16 January 2013 12:56)

The only one that needs his head examined is Ari Gold. The bizarre arguments he constantly comes up with, and the abusive behavior he shows on a daily basis speaks for itself. But this weird man is B92’s pet. Any kind of criticism on him normally is not published; while he can go on calling others names, insult people, spread his dangerous ideas.

(Willi Pfaff, 16 January 2013 15:03)

LOL oh please, B92 edited the sh** out of my comment on another news article to "Rocky" so bad that it sounds as if I was educated by Enver Hoxha! We all get edited and my comments are banned sometimes too. It happens, stop crying.

Teslavio

Typical serb, choosing which part of history is relevant. You can't ignore the fact that Kosovo always belonged to Albanians, and we were there first and we fought for Kosovo, I mean we gave almost 10,000 lives in a single year (1998-99 war) for our Kosovo. We will never let you steal her again.

Oh yesalbos check the real maps. I have seen one where albanians never passed Pristina.So what are you talking about.

Joining the UN would prevent serbia from blocking Kosovo from joining other international bodies - but the task itself (of joining the UN body) is meaningless; it makes us neither less nor more sovereign. International relations aren't coordinated by this organization but rather by the political / military leaders of the globe.


Tung,

No he can't take it back! It is perfectly in line with meeting with thaci, doing The customs deal, aPpointing an ambassador, the platform that was just passed, his comments about the platform and sovereignty. No one supports Kosovo independence more than dacic. He is the number one supporter of Kosovo independence in the world right now and the whole government agrees agree with him and anyone who voted for him.

"I am sick and tired of these albos claiming that they are Illyrian or dardanian or whatever tribe that lived in the Balkans at that time."

I agree. But I'm also sick of Serbs who claim medieval Serbia was a nation state like the country is today. I'm not too fond of Bosnian Muslims who claim they're the descendants of the Bogomils and/or the Turks either. Croats who refer to medieval Croatia are getting on my nerves as well.

KOSO

Can you show us some evidence on Albanians being related to Dardanians?Of course you can't.Albos are Azeris who moved to Balkans a nd they were Muslims before they arrived.

Gotsefromohrid,

You claims about Albanians are Azeri are more rediculous .
How come that Alb.language is formed IN THE BALKANS 5000 years ago,AND SRB language ONLY 1000 YEARS AGO also in the Balkan. Now who was before where?

This might be irrelevant to the topic but you need to stop with this Albanians came as emigrants from somewhere else .WE ARE indigenous people'
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/24/science/0824-origins.html?ref=science

No decision that does not carry support of a majority is in the interest of the respective nation.

Serbian American

How convenient lol 300 years after? Then again ask Rod Blagojevic how successful he has been in U.S. as a governor of the sate of Illinois. Apple usually does not fall far from the tree. Rod Blagojevic is currently in prison and don't tell me you don't know why lol, or the typical story how U.S. targeted him because of his Serbian origin. Not a chance lol. Well, at this point we Albanians have full control of Kosova and it will stay this way for good. All we have left is to decide about North Kosova and Preseva Valley Bujanoc and Medvgj. Understand that Serbia will not get an accession date with EU until every single one of these issues are sorted out. EU is tired of Serbia simply because of the problems Serbia has with Croatians, Bosnians, Albanians, most recent one Vojvodina. I can assure you Serbs until these issues are completely solved Serbia is not going any where. Sadly Serbs aren't able to see further than a few days ahead. Past that everything is blurry to Serbs.
The monument in Preseva valley did not destroy Serbia's economy. It did not stop Serbia from becoming economically stabled and wealthy. That is Serbia's last problem. The real problem for Serbia is how to get it going again, how to minimize poverty... I noticed ARI talking about Kosova's poverty lol Serbia is worse if anything. ARI is very selective where to comment. I never seen him comment on headlines such as.. Serbian children eat a meal per day. Serbia's weak economy. Dinars decline

@ICJ:

why are you always claiming an alleged illyrian ancestry, but if one asks you, I mean if someone seriously starts questioning your bold statements, you stay just quiet like a coward!?

why is that so? why are you Albanians not capable of proving your bold claims?

if it was that clear, it should be an easy task for you to come up with some real and I mean serious sources! all we are presented is some lousy internet-links to more or less useless private internet-sites, which have no credibility at all.

either you prove what you claim, or you better shut the f... up. it´s so poor to endlessly come up with that crap, as if you have no pride at all... why do you feel the need to claim the illyrians as your ancestors, is it because you´ve been the backlight of europe since history is being written?

there must be a reason to your behaviour, but nevertheless you are simply wrong with that claim. old, outdated encyclopedia brittanica-excerpts from 150 years ago or other socalled "literature" by paid charlatans like Noel Malcolm are more of a proof for the opposite, actually.

come to reason, Albanians and face the reality. you are not the descendants of the illyrians.

I am asking you for serious sources for more than five years now and you were never capable of coming up with real facts.

that should make you think, you poor boys.

especially ICJ who never answered my questions, when I proved him wrong on his UNSCR 1244 remarks...should rather be quiet, actually.

Delon

You Albanians are all comedians.How could your language be 5000 years old when your alphabet was devised 100 years ago.Can you produce an Albanian inscription 1000 years old?I bet you can't.
Albanians are not indigenous but imported from Caucasus.Albanian language is similar to Udi which was spoken in Northern Azerbaijan .You can google Wolfgang Schulze to read his research.

I am sick and tired of these albos claiming that they are Illyrian or dardanian or whatever tribe that lived in the Balkans at that time. I live in the U.S. and have a degree in history and nowhere in any of the text books have I read (mind you these are american books) that states that Albanians are the decendents of this tribe. The first mention of an Albanian in the Balkans was made by the Byzantines 300 years after the Serbs have settled that land...
(Serbian American, 16 January 2013 15:26)

Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!

P.S. By "somebody else" I don't mean anything related to Albanians

Spinning Award for January 2013 goes to Dacic!

Who cares Kosovo will never be a normal country.... not without recognition from Serbia and super powers Russia and China with veto powers in the UN... Your so called country will as long as you are occupying it appear as a sad broken up line bordering Serbia in Google Maps or world atlas. As for the EU who needs you Greece, Italy, Bulgaria, Spain are doing just fantastic..... border line starvation.

Dacic is still prime minister so obviously Serbs have no trouble with dacic Ardent support if Kosovo independence. Few people support it more.

Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!
===========================
The point is that the world has change a lot in the last 2000 years.
Nobody is going to redraw borders to the way they existed then not even for you "Illyrians".

Haha even if albanians were decended from the illirians(which isnt true, theyre more like Turks or something) if we gave them all their "historical" land back then we would have to give that land back to the group that inhaboted the Balkans before the illirians. It would most likely be another made up group for the albanians to identify with because they lack their own history

So now tell the truth should your name not have been Serbian or were you trying to fool people into thinking that you were presenting an American point of view?
(pss, 17 January 2013 17:40)
=========================

Using your logic you would say that Obama isn't American.

especially ICJ who never answered my questions, when I proved him wrong on his UNSCR 1244 remarks...should rather be quiet, actually.
(Jovan, 17 January 2013 11:58)

Jovan,

What is your educational background, i.e. which academic degrees do you hold, if any. You act as if only you have the correct theory, yet refuse to offer it up for scrutiny, (shades of Dick Marty). On what scholarship are you basing your supposed knowledge. You seem not to have a thesis as to who are the Albanians. You just dismiss others as being wrong without taking a position of your own. This type of strategy, I'm sure, has gotten you laughed off many a junior high school debate. Please get serious and don't think you are fooling anyone with your sophomoric tactics.

Maybe for a start people should just read the English Wikipedia article about the nation state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state

Typically enough, the Croatian & the Serbocroatian versions are short & incomplete:
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacionalna_dr%C5%BEava
http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacionalna_dr%C5%BEava

No Serb, Bosnian or Albanian versions exists. Surprise, surprise.

Using your logic you would say that Obama isn't American.
(Peggy, 17 January 2013 20:47)
And how did you ever come up with that!

American, 17 January 2013 15:55, Such a funny post from someone who signs simply American. And what heritage do you claim to yield from??
As an American, I have no clue what my true ethniticity is, I know it is a mixture of English and Cherokee Indian on one side and who knows on the other. That is why true Americans do not enter into these discussions on where we descended, unless maybe you are Native American but I truly doubt you would actually be on a Serbian News site if you were.
So now tell the truth should your name not have been Serbian or were you trying to fool people into thinking that you were presenting an American point of view?

Using your logic you would say that Obama isn't American.
(Peggy, 17 January 2013 20:47)
You're right, his birth certificate is a fake!

Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!
===…==
The point is that the world has change a lot in the last 2000 years.
Nobody is going to redraw borders to the way they existed then not even for you "Illyrians".
(Peggy, 17 January 2013 14:08)

Fully agree... make sure you convince your Serb friends as well that borders can't be determined based on hundreds of years ago.

@ICJ:

why are you always claiming an alleged illyrian ancestry, but if one asks you, I mean if someone seriously starts questioning your bold statements, you stay just quiet like a coward!?
why is that so? why are you Albanians not capable of proving your bold claims?
(Jovan, 17 January 2013 11:58)

You confused me with some other ignorant here who claims to know about the ethnicity of those who lived in Kosovo thousands of years ago :)

Just re-posting so you can read more carefully - note the last sentence which I wrote precisely because I knew that you'd say the above:)

"Sure.. let's say that Serbs were settled in Kosovo 2000 years ago (I'm being more generous than any true Serbs patriot in these forums) stealing Kosovo from somebody else who was there before Serbs. So your point was ?!!!!

P.S. By "somebody else" I don't mean anything related to Albanians
(icj1, 17 January 2013 04:27)"
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especially ICJ who never answered my questions, when I proved him wrong on his UNSCR 1244 remarks...should rather be quiet, actually.
(Jovan, 17 January 2013 11:58)

actually I agree with you here... I was totally incapable of proving you wrong on the Serbian version of UNSCR 1244 for the simple reason that I don't speak Serbia :) But I'll try to learn it... probably will ask you for help. That would be really eye-opening for me considering that almost everything in the Serbian version is different from even the Russian version of UNSCR 1244.