First learn how to spell and then learn the demography of Presevo, Vojvodina and Sandzak. 75%of the population in Vojvodina are serbs and a big majority of the population in Sandzak and Presevo is serbian aswell so why compare them to Kosovo?
(Daniel, 21 December 2012 09:08)
So the demography matters when we talk about 75% serbs in Vojvodina but it does not matter when we talk about 95% albanians in Kosovo? Serbs should compare Kosovo to Catalonian model or any other model they want but nobody should compare Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzak to anything.
Rest assure that whatever you serbs will try to get for the serbs in Kosovo we albanians will try to get for our people in Presevo.
(Mark, 21 December 2012 01:10)
You tried that in 2001. You failed. You tried it in Macedonia. You failed. No one supported you in either case. You tried to take over northern Kosovo last year. You failed again. I'm detecting a pattern. But if it makes you feel good to posture on the internet with threats everyone knows you can't make good on because you're angry someone somewhere in the world is making it clear they don't want to live in an Albanian Fantasyland and you feel your side needs to have the last word since taking what you took from Kosovo wasn't enough to satisfy your ego, then by all means troll away :)
I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities in N. Kosovo outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
(icj1, 21 December 2012 05:29)
99.74% of the population is kind of hard to ignore. But I guess you're right. They weren't calling for secession or independence from Kosovo because Kosovo's institutions are non-existent there to begin with and it would be kind of silly for them to call for secession and/or independence from Serbia, the country that is represented there :)
Explain to me how is it possible for a country to "attack"a piece of its own territory?Albanian logic is known worldwide LOL.
(Daniel, 21 December 2012 09:11)
Finally you understand why General Gotovina is innocent.
its better to lose the North completely than accept such a plan. what this pan would give serbia is a hand in kosova's sovereignty, it will be rejected and so it well should
the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia"
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
First learn how to spell and then learn the demography of Presevo, Vojvodina and Sandzak. 75%of the population in Vojvodina are serbs and a big majority of the population in Sandzak and Presevo is serbian aswell so why compare them to Kosovo?
By the way the most powerful bosniaks from Sandzak are highly positioned within the parliament, such as Rasim Ljajic for example and they have never ever said anything about separating from Serbia.
The proposal is of course excellent and I have no idea why Albanians find it so problematic since it doesn't affect them at all. Of course, however, it is correct that it is a bit much to ask for this deal but then say you'll continue to "never" recognise Kosovo. That *is* a problem - surely the point of a solution in which the Serb communities in Kosovo get a maximalist internal position - including with links to Serbia - is that acceptance of it should mean should precisely lead to recognition, ie, the proposal is for a solution, not continuaito of a stalemate. Hopefully though this aspect of the proposal is merely the ambit claim, the bargaining position, that will be forgotten about when cooler heads prevail, on both sides.
More total recognition of Kosovo independence from Serbia. Customs and ambassadors and this autonomy for Serbs in a supposed Serb province! No one supports Kosovo independence more than Dacic.
Well as I said before, Serbian zones across the province need to remain fully under Serbia
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2012 17:12)
Serbs, Albanians and everybody else in Kosovo are already under Serbia, dear, because Kosovo is Serbia, isnt't it ? So there is nothing to worry about that :)
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Exactly, and the same holds true for the Serbs in North Kosovo. I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities in N. Kosovo outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Are the serbs in Kosovo "local population" or "extreme nationalists"? Rest assure that whatever you serbs will try to get for the serbs in Kosovo we albanians will try to get for our people in Presevo.The international community has not reacted because we haven't blocked roads or killed any cops in Presevo yet, like you have done in Kosovo.When we start retaliating the same way you do in Kosovo things will change. If this platform is good for the serbs in Kosovo than it should be applied to all other minorities in Serbia as well.
It's an undeniable fact that the cultural heritage of Serbia lies in Kosovo. Given over 3000 Serbian orthodox christian landmarks and tens of thousands of clergymen and women, and Serb locals maintining their christian traditions in Kosovo, it is by far the right, privilege and great honor of probably every Serb to rest his/her remains there. As part of the European continent Serbia as well as Kosovo deserves better. The disputed land itself is a landmark of European, let alone christian liberty; it is the parent of middle age Roman Catholic renaissance and the Anglo-Saxon Protestant reformation. Without the struggle of these brilliant Serbian people against militant, fundamentalist and barbaric hords from the east none of the two mentioned European events would have been possible. I can only imagine how it would be for me not to be able to rest and conclude my life in my own native Britain alongside the great Englishmen this earth bore thanks to the brave hearts of the Serbian people, the hearts of liberty. My best wishes go to our brethren!!! Fight on Mr. Nikolic!!!
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Well, well. Kosova was taken very serious and Belgrade was bombed. What more do you want in your own words?
Serbia needs to find a new President and change it's political parties. The current people aren't doing their job that they're paid to do and that is...serve it's people, for it looks like they're serving themselves. Oh what a mess!!!!
This platform is not new at all. I'm fairly certain Nikolic agreed to it a long time ago and it is basically what I heard from certain "internationals" in Belgrade about a year ago.
(Zoran, 20 December 2012 19:08)
Oh make no mistake about it. The "internationals" have long been in favor of an "autonomous" northern Kosovo for years, especially in Brussels. Forget what Washington wants or Pristina thinks. The first isn't in the EU and the second has never been taken seriously by the EU. Thaci is going to reject it outright only to be "forced" to concede to it in a few months like he was "forced" to concede on UNMIK's continued presence in the north, tacitly accepting the reality of "parallel" institutions in the north, and accepting the Ahtisaari Plan, which this solution is based on. We all know the "international community's" only interest in Kosovo is to keep it a separate entity from the rest of Serbia, while happily carving away whatever is left of its internal sovereignty to the point of making a bone of contention to everyone outside of the Albanian diaspora and extreme nationalist fringe.
You've been to RS, right? You've been to northern Kosovo and Gracanica right? Pretty much the same. That's the reality most of these Albanians of the diaspora either fail to recognize or refuse to accept as "reality". But what do I care what they think? They don't live in Kosovo or have the ability to pressure Thaci to "concede" to something they've already been told to accept :)
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
...All people should have their own peice of land.If they can't live together separate them and make them a good neighbours.This is a good platfrom and with some corrections this could work for all.
(Pascale, 20 December 2012 19:42)...
This would have been more acceptable to everyone, if in the platforme would't have been written Serbia never will recognise Kosovo.
By saying that,there is no agreement.
This platforme needs major corrections.A serbian village has super rights,4 towns halls in North,have the right of Catalonia(7 million),and Albanians dont get anything back in return,not even a recognision.
Hopfully Nikolic,gets the right meidcations because probably,he has mix up his medications.
This draft will have to be approved by Serbian parliament, and even then it will be up to Albanians to accept it or not. Either way way Serb minority in Kosovo will head for more isolation and poverty and for certain will encourage them to move to other parts of the Balkans.
Well done Mr president Nikolic
(Albanian Farmer, 20 December 2012 17:52)
Poverty is widespread in Kosovo i Metohija. And corruption and crime is more than any other part of Serbia but also any other place in the Balkans. Poverty and crime will drive not only Serbs, but also Albanians away the first chance families get to leave.
It was for a while considered common knowledge that there are 2 million Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija. But recent reports say that there are not even 2 million people in the province and the number of Albanians is closer to 1.4-1.5 at the most.
I know you like to believe that despite the temporary occupation in place that somehow Serbs are the reason your living standards are so sh** but you have been fooled. I know you believe that ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide is exactly what is needed but you just delusional.
You keep farming old boy, but you'll need to plow a lot more fields to catch up to Thaci & Co.'s worth. Man oh man did they play you.
All people should have their own peice of land.If they can't live together separate them and make them a good neighbours.This is a good platfrom and with some corrections this could work for all.
"the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia", and they also want autonomy to be guaranteed by the province’s highest legal bills and that the international community officials, who are taking part in the negotiations, stand behind it."
Haha the Catalonia model is really working for Spain!
It seems like right now its your only option, but think before you act since you may lose more territory. Warmongers always end up loosing big time.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 December 2012 17:41)
I don't think I'm a warmonger because I say the Serbian population in Kosovo i Metohija must be protected at all costs. Remember, it is not Serbs trying to impose their rule on Albanians but the other way around. Your not calling for war if you believe in the idea of self defense and any normal country would agree.
Now you saying we will "lose more territory" is interesting because you are in fact implying Kosovo i Metohija is our territory after all, I would agree with you there.
But actually, you wont be deciding if Serbia loses more territory. Unfortunately, strong external powers have taken a strong interest in the Balkans at Serbia's expense. This is not something any people on the Balkans could get around and its the reason why things are the way they are.
However, if your implying the West will be there forever just because you want them to...well I'd disagree. The thought of bombing Belgrade in 99 was acceptable but here we are 14 years later and that would be out of the question due to the current geo-political reality. And what Western policy dictates today will be impossible 14 years from now.
But like I said before, I have no doubt it will be firmly rejected because Kosovo's Albanian leadership, told to by America, are still under the delusion they control the entire internationally-run province :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 16:45)
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My God, these Albanians and their supporters are as thick as they come. They can't comprehend what is being said here and in fact, they missed the key sentence in what Branko Ružić said yesterday.
So let the Albanians miss this opportunity because it only gets worse from here.
This platform is not new at all. I'm fairly certain Nikolic agreed to it a long time ago and it is basically what I heard from certain "internationals" in Belgrade about a year ago. True, there are some slight modifications but they may just be bargaining points.
There is a lot of spin here but if the Serbs found out what was really going on, there would be mass protests on the streets. However, to read Albanians rejecting this outright is a complete joke. But then, they are really good at shooting themselves in the foot.
Foreign policies of Serbia towards Kosovo have changed with every government coming into power.
This draft will have to be approved by Serbian parliament, and even then it will be up to Albanians to accept it or not. Either way way Serb minority in Kosovo will head for more isolation and poverty and for certain will encourage them to move to other parts of the Balkans.
Warmongers always end up loosing big time.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 December 2012 17:41)
Exactly, which is why KFOR keeps you out of northern Kosovo, EULEX enforces Kosovo's decentralization and the international community denies you Greater Albania.
Well as I said before, Serbian zones across the province need to remain fully under Serbia and that obviously includes Northern Kosovo but also several municipalities across south of the Ibar. Despite what everyone feels they are entitled to, peace should be given the first chance for the sake of our futures. But if you reject this compromise then war is truly the better option than being wiped off the map like you would want.
Everyone wants to put the past behind and move forward, but if Serbia's only option is war or ethic cleansing & cultural genocide then the first option will be eventually taken. Regretfully too, but what can you do? No responsible country will let a minority try to wipe them off the map.
Serbia is going over everyone's heads directly to Santa clause with their impressive wish list. Don't try to stop them they think they have been very good this year. They are sure Santa has forgotten about the unfortunate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GlbEh2Rjg little incident a while back.
This platform make me Laugh,How about Kosova/o ask EU and USA to do same thing wide Autonomi for Kosova Albanians living in Serbia Preshev, Bujanovc,and Medvegje.Also serbia dos't needs to have Army only regular police.
THIS PLATFORM IS A JOKE JUST LIKE OTHER ONES SINC 1999 SERBIA CAME UP WITH 4 OR 5 PLAFORMS LIKE THIS ONE BUT NEITHER OF THEM WORKED.
Please tell me that you your president is joking,otherwise he needs medical attention.
(Mirel from Albania, 20 December 2012 16:23)
No more than Hash and the rest of the gang boasting how Kosovo is the land of democracy and the rule of law and then refusing to grant any additional concessions to the Serbian minority they weren't previously forced to grant by the international community.
But I digress. Let's look beyond the rhetoric and examine the substance. This solution basically indirectly recognizes Kosovo's independence, or at least it's no longer being part of Serbia outside the Serb municipalities. Considering leaders meet in the same room and attempt to work out problems they constantly blame the other side for perpetuating, I'd say "recognition" at least comes with "realizing they are beyond our control but we want to retain influence over those areas and people that are beyond *their* control as well". Hence the call for autonomy - haha a word which in itself implies the surrounding regions are outside Serbia's authority.
Autonomy for our side = you don't bother us.
Independence for you = we don't bother you.
But like I said before, I have no doubt it will be firmly rejected because Kosovo's Albanian leadership, told to by America, are still under the delusion they control the entire internationally-run province :)
In the document, the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia",
...
and
... “the Republic of Serbia does not and will never recognize Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence”....
So give sebs authonomy and recieve nothing.
Every person with half brain can not accept this.
This "documents" may be a manuscript for a comedy,not for serious negotiations.
Please tell me that you your president is joking,otherwise he needs medical attention.
Serbia is digging its own grave.... , and shows its real face. This also means, bye-bye Europe for Serbia. With ideas like that it simply shows that it has not understood what European values are. Nobody in Europe will support this serb fantasy world.
What a waste of opportunity, time, ink and energy! None of their requirements will ever be met, ever!! Many lives and livelihoods are at stake here.
The SRS/SPS government have chosen a typically natioanlist platform to 'permanently resolve' the Albanian-Serbian relations. Unfortunately this problem will remain for another 5 or 6 generations... I only hope no senseless blood is spilled for this.
U.S. analyst Daniel Serwer published an article on his website on Wednesday dubbed "Fantasyland", noting that “anyone who thought that Serbia was softening its position on Kosovo and would yield to sweet reason has to be disappointed”. He added that the platform represents a “giant step backwards in Serbia’s position”.
LOL I guess it takes a "Fantasyland" solution for an American supported Fantasyland project. Nearly 5 years into this farce and Kosovo* is barely better off than it was previously (if by "better off" you only measure the absence of Serbian military units harassing Albanian civilians and overlook Albanian "military units" harassing Serbian civilians). I don't see what's a step backwards concerning nothing in the document is related to the Albanians' daily lives and interests and before Serwer was bought out by the "Kosova" lobby around 2005 he advocated something similar to this. In fact, it's basically an enhanced Ahtisaari Plan. I'm sure immediate rejections will come from the predictable sources, but it's nice to see my government is basically writing off 80% of Kosovo in return for keeping the salvageable 20%. Now all we have to do is wait for the international guardians of peace and democracy to screw this up and the clowns in Pristina to issue more threats :)
U.S. analyst Daniel Serwer published an article on his website on Wednesday dubbed "Fantasyland", noting that “anyone who thought that Serbia was softening its position on Kosovo and would yield to sweet reason has to be disappointed”. He added that the platform represents a “giant step backwards in Serbia’s position”.
Serb politicians know that as well Mr. Serwer, but they are just playing head games with very same people(K-Serbs) they are suppose to try to help.
Serbia is digging its own grave.... , and shows its real face. This also means, bye-bye Europe for Serbia. With ideas like that it simply shows that it has not understood what European values are. Nobody in Europe will support this serb fantasy world.
In the document, the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia",
...
and
... “the Republic of Serbia does not and will never recognize Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence”....
So give sebs authonomy and recieve nothing.
Every person with half brain can not accept this.
This "documents" may be a manuscript for a comedy,not for serious negotiations.
Please tell me that you your president is joking,otherwise he needs medical attention.
U.S. analyst Daniel Serwer published an article on his website on Wednesday dubbed "Fantasyland", noting that “anyone who thought that Serbia was softening its position on Kosovo and would yield to sweet reason has to be disappointed”. He added that the platform represents a “giant step backwards in Serbia’s position”.
LOL I guess it takes a "Fantasyland" solution for an American supported Fantasyland project. Nearly 5 years into this farce and Kosovo* is barely better off than it was previously (if by "better off" you only measure the absence of Serbian military units harassing Albanian civilians and overlook Albanian "military units" harassing Serbian civilians). I don't see what's a step backwards concerning nothing in the document is related to the Albanians' daily lives and interests and before Serwer was bought out by the "Kosova" lobby around 2005 he advocated something similar to this. In fact, it's basically an enhanced Ahtisaari Plan. I'm sure immediate rejections will come from the predictable sources, but it's nice to see my government is basically writing off 80% of Kosovo in return for keeping the salvageable 20%. Now all we have to do is wait for the international guardians of peace and democracy to screw this up and the clowns in Pristina to issue more threats :)
U.S. analyst Daniel Serwer published an article on his website on Wednesday dubbed "Fantasyland", noting that “anyone who thought that Serbia was softening its position on Kosovo and would yield to sweet reason has to be disappointed”. He added that the platform represents a “giant step backwards in Serbia’s position”.
Serb politicians know that as well Mr. Serwer, but they are just playing head games with very same people(K-Serbs) they are suppose to try to help.
Please tell me that you your president is joking,otherwise he needs medical attention.
(Mirel from Albania, 20 December 2012 16:23)
No more than Hash and the rest of the gang boasting how Kosovo is the land of democracy and the rule of law and then refusing to grant any additional concessions to the Serbian minority they weren't previously forced to grant by the international community.
But I digress. Let's look beyond the rhetoric and examine the substance. This solution basically indirectly recognizes Kosovo's independence, or at least it's no longer being part of Serbia outside the Serb municipalities. Considering leaders meet in the same room and attempt to work out problems they constantly blame the other side for perpetuating, I'd say "recognition" at least comes with "realizing they are beyond our control but we want to retain influence over those areas and people that are beyond *their* control as well". Hence the call for autonomy - haha a word which in itself implies the surrounding regions are outside Serbia's authority.
Autonomy for our side = you don't bother us.
Independence for you = we don't bother you.
But like I said before, I have no doubt it will be firmly rejected because Kosovo's Albanian leadership, told to by America, are still under the delusion they control the entire internationally-run province :)
What a waste of opportunity, time, ink and energy! None of their requirements will ever be met, ever!! Many lives and livelihoods are at stake here.
The SRS/SPS government have chosen a typically natioanlist platform to 'permanently resolve' the Albanian-Serbian relations. Unfortunately this problem will remain for another 5 or 6 generations... I only hope no senseless blood is spilled for this.
Warmongers always end up loosing big time.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 December 2012 17:41)
Exactly, which is why KFOR keeps you out of northern Kosovo, EULEX enforces Kosovo's decentralization and the international community denies you Greater Albania.
This platform make me Laugh,How about Kosova/o ask EU and USA to do same thing wide Autonomi for Kosova Albanians living in Serbia Preshev, Bujanovc,and Medvegje.Also serbia dos't needs to have Army only regular police.
THIS PLATFORM IS A JOKE JUST LIKE OTHER ONES SINC 1999 SERBIA CAME UP WITH 4 OR 5 PLAFORMS LIKE THIS ONE BUT NEITHER OF THEM WORKED.
...All people should have their own peice of land.If they can't live together separate them and make them a good neighbours.This is a good platfrom and with some corrections this could work for all.
(Pascale, 20 December 2012 19:42)...
This would have been more acceptable to everyone, if in the platforme would't have been written Serbia never will recognise Kosovo.
By saying that,there is no agreement.
This platforme needs major corrections.A serbian village has super rights,4 towns halls in North,have the right of Catalonia(7 million),and Albanians dont get anything back in return,not even a recognision.
Hopfully Nikolic,gets the right meidcations because probably,he has mix up his medications.
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
Serbia is going over everyone's heads directly to Santa clause with their impressive wish list. Don't try to stop them they think they have been very good this year. They are sure Santa has forgotten about the unfortunate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GlbEh2Rjg little incident a while back.
Foreign policies of Serbia towards Kosovo have changed with every government coming into power.
This draft will have to be approved by Serbian parliament, and even then it will be up to Albanians to accept it or not. Either way way Serb minority in Kosovo will head for more isolation and poverty and for certain will encourage them to move to other parts of the Balkans.
Well as I said before, Serbian zones across the province need to remain fully under Serbia and that obviously includes Northern Kosovo but also several municipalities across south of the Ibar. Despite what everyone feels they are entitled to, peace should be given the first chance for the sake of our futures. But if you reject this compromise then war is truly the better option than being wiped off the map like you would want.
Everyone wants to put the past behind and move forward, but if Serbia's only option is war or ethic cleansing & cultural genocide then the first option will be eventually taken. Regretfully too, but what can you do? No responsible country will let a minority try to wipe them off the map.
"the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia", and they also want autonomy to be guaranteed by the province’s highest legal bills and that the international community officials, who are taking part in the negotiations, stand behind it."
Haha the Catalonia model is really working for Spain!
But like I said before, I have no doubt it will be firmly rejected because Kosovo's Albanian leadership, told to by America, are still under the delusion they control the entire internationally-run province :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 16:45)
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My God, these Albanians and their supporters are as thick as they come. They can't comprehend what is being said here and in fact, they missed the key sentence in what Branko Ružić said yesterday.
So let the Albanians miss this opportunity because it only gets worse from here.
This platform is not new at all. I'm fairly certain Nikolic agreed to it a long time ago and it is basically what I heard from certain "internationals" in Belgrade about a year ago. True, there are some slight modifications but they may just be bargaining points.
There is a lot of spin here but if the Serbs found out what was really going on, there would be mass protests on the streets. However, to read Albanians rejecting this outright is a complete joke. But then, they are really good at shooting themselves in the foot.
It seems like right now its your only option, but think before you act since you may lose more territory. Warmongers always end up loosing big time.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 December 2012 17:41)
I don't think I'm a warmonger because I say the Serbian population in Kosovo i Metohija must be protected at all costs. Remember, it is not Serbs trying to impose their rule on Albanians but the other way around. Your not calling for war if you believe in the idea of self defense and any normal country would agree.
Now you saying we will "lose more territory" is interesting because you are in fact implying Kosovo i Metohija is our territory after all, I would agree with you there.
But actually, you wont be deciding if Serbia loses more territory. Unfortunately, strong external powers have taken a strong interest in the Balkans at Serbia's expense. This is not something any people on the Balkans could get around and its the reason why things are the way they are.
However, if your implying the West will be there forever just because you want them to...well I'd disagree. The thought of bombing Belgrade in 99 was acceptable but here we are 14 years later and that would be out of the question due to the current geo-political reality. And what Western policy dictates today will be impossible 14 years from now.
Serbia needs to find a new President and change it's political parties. The current people aren't doing their job that they're paid to do and that is...serve it's people, for it looks like they're serving themselves. Oh what a mess!!!!
This platform is not new at all. I'm fairly certain Nikolic agreed to it a long time ago and it is basically what I heard from certain "internationals" in Belgrade about a year ago.
(Zoran, 20 December 2012 19:08)
Oh make no mistake about it. The "internationals" have long been in favor of an "autonomous" northern Kosovo for years, especially in Brussels. Forget what Washington wants or Pristina thinks. The first isn't in the EU and the second has never been taken seriously by the EU. Thaci is going to reject it outright only to be "forced" to concede to it in a few months like he was "forced" to concede on UNMIK's continued presence in the north, tacitly accepting the reality of "parallel" institutions in the north, and accepting the Ahtisaari Plan, which this solution is based on. We all know the "international community's" only interest in Kosovo is to keep it a separate entity from the rest of Serbia, while happily carving away whatever is left of its internal sovereignty to the point of making a bone of contention to everyone outside of the Albanian diaspora and extreme nationalist fringe.
You've been to RS, right? You've been to northern Kosovo and Gracanica right? Pretty much the same. That's the reality most of these Albanians of the diaspora either fail to recognize or refuse to accept as "reality". But what do I care what they think? They don't live in Kosovo or have the ability to pressure Thaci to "concede" to something they've already been told to accept :)
This draft will have to be approved by Serbian parliament, and even then it will be up to Albanians to accept it or not. Either way way Serb minority in Kosovo will head for more isolation and poverty and for certain will encourage them to move to other parts of the Balkans.
Well done Mr president Nikolic
(Albanian Farmer, 20 December 2012 17:52)
Poverty is widespread in Kosovo i Metohija. And corruption and crime is more than any other part of Serbia but also any other place in the Balkans. Poverty and crime will drive not only Serbs, but also Albanians away the first chance families get to leave.
It was for a while considered common knowledge that there are 2 million Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija. But recent reports say that there are not even 2 million people in the province and the number of Albanians is closer to 1.4-1.5 at the most.
I know you like to believe that despite the temporary occupation in place that somehow Serbs are the reason your living standards are so sh** but you have been fooled. I know you believe that ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide is exactly what is needed but you just delusional.
You keep farming old boy, but you'll need to plow a lot more fields to catch up to Thaci & Co.'s worth. Man oh man did they play you.
All people should have their own peice of land.If they can't live together separate them and make them a good neighbours.This is a good platfrom and with some corrections this could work for all.
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Exactly, and the same holds true for the Serbs in North Kosovo. I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities in N. Kosovo outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
its better to lose the North completely than accept such a plan. what this pan would give serbia is a hand in kosova's sovereignty, it will be rejected and so it well should
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Are the serbs in Kosovo "local population" or "extreme nationalists"? Rest assure that whatever you serbs will try to get for the serbs in Kosovo we albanians will try to get for our people in Presevo.The international community has not reacted because we haven't blocked roads or killed any cops in Presevo yet, like you have done in Kosovo.When we start retaliating the same way you do in Kosovo things will change. If this platform is good for the serbs in Kosovo than it should be applied to all other minorities in Serbia as well.
More total recognition of Kosovo independence from Serbia. Customs and ambassadors and this autonomy for Serbs in a supposed Serb province! No one supports Kosovo independence more than Dacic.
Explain to me how is it possible for a country to "attack"a piece of its own territory?Albanian logic is known worldwide LOL.
(Daniel, 21 December 2012 09:11)
Finally you understand why General Gotovina is innocent.
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Well, well. Kosova was taken very serious and Belgrade was bombed. What more do you want in your own words?
It's an undeniable fact that the cultural heritage of Serbia lies in Kosovo. Given over 3000 Serbian orthodox christian landmarks and tens of thousands of clergymen and women, and Serb locals maintining their christian traditions in Kosovo, it is by far the right, privilege and great honor of probably every Serb to rest his/her remains there. As part of the European continent Serbia as well as Kosovo deserves better. The disputed land itself is a landmark of European, let alone christian liberty; it is the parent of middle age Roman Catholic renaissance and the Anglo-Saxon Protestant reformation. Without the struggle of these brilliant Serbian people against militant, fundamentalist and barbaric hords from the east none of the two mentioned European events would have been possible. I can only imagine how it would be for me not to be able to rest and conclude my life in my own native Britain alongside the great Englishmen this earth bore thanks to the brave hearts of the Serbian people, the hearts of liberty. My best wishes go to our brethren!!! Fight on Mr. Nikolic!!!
Well as I said before, Serbian zones across the province need to remain fully under Serbia
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2012 17:12)
Serbs, Albanians and everybody else in Kosovo are already under Serbia, dear, because Kosovo is Serbia, isnt't it ? So there is nothing to worry about that :)
the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia"
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
First learn how to spell and then learn the demography of Presevo, Vojvodina and Sandzak. 75%of the population in Vojvodina are serbs and a big majority of the population in Sandzak and Presevo is serbian aswell so why compare them to Kosovo?
By the way the most powerful bosniaks from Sandzak are highly positioned within the parliament, such as Rasim Ljajic for example and they have never ever said anything about separating from Serbia.
I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities in N. Kosovo outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
(icj1, 21 December 2012 05:29)
99.74% of the population is kind of hard to ignore. But I guess you're right. They weren't calling for secession or independence from Kosovo because Kosovo's institutions are non-existent there to begin with and it would be kind of silly for them to call for secession and/or independence from Serbia, the country that is represented there :)
Rest assure that whatever you serbs will try to get for the serbs in Kosovo we albanians will try to get for our people in Presevo.
(Mark, 21 December 2012 01:10)
You tried that in 2001. You failed. You tried it in Macedonia. You failed. No one supported you in either case. You tried to take over northern Kosovo last year. You failed again. I'm detecting a pattern. But if it makes you feel good to posture on the internet with threats everyone knows you can't make good on because you're angry someone somewhere in the world is making it clear they don't want to live in an Albanian Fantasyland and you feel your side needs to have the last word since taking what you took from Kosovo wasn't enough to satisfy your ego, then by all means troll away :)
The proposal is of course excellent and I have no idea why Albanians find it so problematic since it doesn't affect them at all. Of course, however, it is correct that it is a bit much to ask for this deal but then say you'll continue to "never" recognise Kosovo. That *is* a problem - surely the point of a solution in which the Serb communities in Kosovo get a maximalist internal position - including with links to Serbia - is that acceptance of it should mean should precisely lead to recognition, ie, the proposal is for a solution, not continuaito of a stalemate. Hopefully though this aspect of the proposal is merely the ambit claim, the bargaining position, that will be forgotten about when cooler heads prevail, on both sides.
First learn how to spell and then learn the demography of Presevo, Vojvodina and Sandzak. 75%of the population in Vojvodina are serbs and a big majority of the population in Sandzak and Presevo is serbian aswell so why compare them to Kosovo?
(Daniel, 21 December 2012 09:08)
So the demography matters when we talk about 75% serbs in Vojvodina but it does not matter when we talk about 95% albanians in Kosovo? Serbs should compare Kosovo to Catalonian model or any other model they want but nobody should compare Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzak to anything.
Well as I said before, Serbian zones across the province need to remain fully under Serbia and that obviously includes Northern Kosovo but also several municipalities across south of the Ibar. Despite what everyone feels they are entitled to, peace should be given the first chance for the sake of our futures. But if you reject this compromise then war is truly the better option than being wiped off the map like you would want.
Everyone wants to put the past behind and move forward, but if Serbia's only option is war or ethic cleansing & cultural genocide then the first option will be eventually taken. Regretfully too, but what can you do? No responsible country will let a minority try to wipe them off the map.
U.S. analyst Daniel Serwer published an article on his website on Wednesday dubbed "Fantasyland", noting that “anyone who thought that Serbia was softening its position on Kosovo and would yield to sweet reason has to be disappointed”. He added that the platform represents a “giant step backwards in Serbia’s position”.
LOL I guess it takes a "Fantasyland" solution for an American supported Fantasyland project. Nearly 5 years into this farce and Kosovo* is barely better off than it was previously (if by "better off" you only measure the absence of Serbian military units harassing Albanian civilians and overlook Albanian "military units" harassing Serbian civilians). I don't see what's a step backwards concerning nothing in the document is related to the Albanians' daily lives and interests and before Serwer was bought out by the "Kosova" lobby around 2005 he advocated something similar to this. In fact, it's basically an enhanced Ahtisaari Plan. I'm sure immediate rejections will come from the predictable sources, but it's nice to see my government is basically writing off 80% of Kosovo in return for keeping the salvageable 20%. Now all we have to do is wait for the international guardians of peace and democracy to screw this up and the clowns in Pristina to issue more threats :)
Serbia is digging its own grave.... , and shows its real face. This also means, bye-bye Europe for Serbia. With ideas like that it simply shows that it has not understood what European values are. Nobody in Europe will support this serb fantasy world.
What a waste of opportunity, time, ink and energy! None of their requirements will ever be met, ever!! Many lives and livelihoods are at stake here.
The SRS/SPS government have chosen a typically natioanlist platform to 'permanently resolve' the Albanian-Serbian relations. Unfortunately this problem will remain for another 5 or 6 generations... I only hope no senseless blood is spilled for this.
U.S. analyst Daniel Serwer published an article on his website on Wednesday dubbed "Fantasyland", noting that “anyone who thought that Serbia was softening its position on Kosovo and would yield to sweet reason has to be disappointed”. He added that the platform represents a “giant step backwards in Serbia’s position”.
Serb politicians know that as well Mr. Serwer, but they are just playing head games with very same people(K-Serbs) they are suppose to try to help.
Warmongers always end up loosing big time.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 December 2012 17:41)
Exactly, which is why KFOR keeps you out of northern Kosovo, EULEX enforces Kosovo's decentralization and the international community denies you Greater Albania.
Please tell me that you your president is joking,otherwise he needs medical attention.
(Mirel from Albania, 20 December 2012 16:23)
No more than Hash and the rest of the gang boasting how Kosovo is the land of democracy and the rule of law and then refusing to grant any additional concessions to the Serbian minority they weren't previously forced to grant by the international community.
But I digress. Let's look beyond the rhetoric and examine the substance. This solution basically indirectly recognizes Kosovo's independence, or at least it's no longer being part of Serbia outside the Serb municipalities. Considering leaders meet in the same room and attempt to work out problems they constantly blame the other side for perpetuating, I'd say "recognition" at least comes with "realizing they are beyond our control but we want to retain influence over those areas and people that are beyond *their* control as well". Hence the call for autonomy - haha a word which in itself implies the surrounding regions are outside Serbia's authority.
Autonomy for our side = you don't bother us.
Independence for you = we don't bother you.
But like I said before, I have no doubt it will be firmly rejected because Kosovo's Albanian leadership, told to by America, are still under the delusion they control the entire internationally-run province :)
Serbia is going over everyone's heads directly to Santa clause with their impressive wish list. Don't try to stop them they think they have been very good this year. They are sure Santa has forgotten about the unfortunate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GlbEh2Rjg little incident a while back.
In the document, the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia",
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and
... “the Republic of Serbia does not and will never recognize Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence”....
So give sebs authonomy and recieve nothing.
Every person with half brain can not accept this.
This "documents" may be a manuscript for a comedy,not for serious negotiations.
Please tell me that you your president is joking,otherwise he needs medical attention.
But like I said before, I have no doubt it will be firmly rejected because Kosovo's Albanian leadership, told to by America, are still under the delusion they control the entire internationally-run province :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 16:45)
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My God, these Albanians and their supporters are as thick as they come. They can't comprehend what is being said here and in fact, they missed the key sentence in what Branko Ružić said yesterday.
So let the Albanians miss this opportunity because it only gets worse from here.
This platform is not new at all. I'm fairly certain Nikolic agreed to it a long time ago and it is basically what I heard from certain "internationals" in Belgrade about a year ago. True, there are some slight modifications but they may just be bargaining points.
There is a lot of spin here but if the Serbs found out what was really going on, there would be mass protests on the streets. However, to read Albanians rejecting this outright is a complete joke. But then, they are really good at shooting themselves in the foot.
This platform make me Laugh,How about Kosova/o ask EU and USA to do same thing wide Autonomi for Kosova Albanians living in Serbia Preshev, Bujanovc,and Medvegje.Also serbia dos't needs to have Army only regular police.
THIS PLATFORM IS A JOKE JUST LIKE OTHER ONES SINC 1999 SERBIA CAME UP WITH 4 OR 5 PLAFORMS LIKE THIS ONE BUT NEITHER OF THEM WORKED.
Foreign policies of Serbia towards Kosovo have changed with every government coming into power.
This draft will have to be approved by Serbian parliament, and even then it will be up to Albanians to accept it or not. Either way way Serb minority in Kosovo will head for more isolation and poverty and for certain will encourage them to move to other parts of the Balkans.
It seems like right now its your only option, but think before you act since you may lose more territory. Warmongers always end up loosing big time.
(Ardi Asllani, 20 December 2012 17:41)
I don't think I'm a warmonger because I say the Serbian population in Kosovo i Metohija must be protected at all costs. Remember, it is not Serbs trying to impose their rule on Albanians but the other way around. Your not calling for war if you believe in the idea of self defense and any normal country would agree.
Now you saying we will "lose more territory" is interesting because you are in fact implying Kosovo i Metohija is our territory after all, I would agree with you there.
But actually, you wont be deciding if Serbia loses more territory. Unfortunately, strong external powers have taken a strong interest in the Balkans at Serbia's expense. This is not something any people on the Balkans could get around and its the reason why things are the way they are.
However, if your implying the West will be there forever just because you want them to...well I'd disagree. The thought of bombing Belgrade in 99 was acceptable but here we are 14 years later and that would be out of the question due to the current geo-political reality. And what Western policy dictates today will be impossible 14 years from now.
This draft will have to be approved by Serbian parliament, and even then it will be up to Albanians to accept it or not. Either way way Serb minority in Kosovo will head for more isolation and poverty and for certain will encourage them to move to other parts of the Balkans.
Well done Mr president Nikolic
(Albanian Farmer, 20 December 2012 17:52)
Poverty is widespread in Kosovo i Metohija. And corruption and crime is more than any other part of Serbia but also any other place in the Balkans. Poverty and crime will drive not only Serbs, but also Albanians away the first chance families get to leave.
It was for a while considered common knowledge that there are 2 million Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija. But recent reports say that there are not even 2 million people in the province and the number of Albanians is closer to 1.4-1.5 at the most.
I know you like to believe that despite the temporary occupation in place that somehow Serbs are the reason your living standards are so sh** but you have been fooled. I know you believe that ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide is exactly what is needed but you just delusional.
You keep farming old boy, but you'll need to plow a lot more fields to catch up to Thaci & Co.'s worth. Man oh man did they play you.
This platform is not new at all. I'm fairly certain Nikolic agreed to it a long time ago and it is basically what I heard from certain "internationals" in Belgrade about a year ago.
(Zoran, 20 December 2012 19:08)
Oh make no mistake about it. The "internationals" have long been in favor of an "autonomous" northern Kosovo for years, especially in Brussels. Forget what Washington wants or Pristina thinks. The first isn't in the EU and the second has never been taken seriously by the EU. Thaci is going to reject it outright only to be "forced" to concede to it in a few months like he was "forced" to concede on UNMIK's continued presence in the north, tacitly accepting the reality of "parallel" institutions in the north, and accepting the Ahtisaari Plan, which this solution is based on. We all know the "international community's" only interest in Kosovo is to keep it a separate entity from the rest of Serbia, while happily carving away whatever is left of its internal sovereignty to the point of making a bone of contention to everyone outside of the Albanian diaspora and extreme nationalist fringe.
You've been to RS, right? You've been to northern Kosovo and Gracanica right? Pretty much the same. That's the reality most of these Albanians of the diaspora either fail to recognize or refuse to accept as "reality". But what do I care what they think? They don't live in Kosovo or have the ability to pressure Thaci to "concede" to something they've already been told to accept :)
...All people should have their own peice of land.If they can't live together separate them and make them a good neighbours.This is a good platfrom and with some corrections this could work for all.
(Pascale, 20 December 2012 19:42)...
This would have been more acceptable to everyone, if in the platforme would't have been written Serbia never will recognise Kosovo.
By saying that,there is no agreement.
This platforme needs major corrections.A serbian village has super rights,4 towns halls in North,have the right of Catalonia(7 million),and Albanians dont get anything back in return,not even a recognision.
Hopfully Nikolic,gets the right meidcations because probably,he has mix up his medications.
All people should have their own peice of land.If they can't live together separate them and make them a good neighbours.This is a good platfrom and with some corrections this could work for all.
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
"the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia", and they also want autonomy to be guaranteed by the province’s highest legal bills and that the international community officials, who are taking part in the negotiations, stand behind it."
Haha the Catalonia model is really working for Spain!
Rest assure that whatever you serbs will try to get for the serbs in Kosovo we albanians will try to get for our people in Presevo.
(Mark, 21 December 2012 01:10)
You tried that in 2001. You failed. You tried it in Macedonia. You failed. No one supported you in either case. You tried to take over northern Kosovo last year. You failed again. I'm detecting a pattern. But if it makes you feel good to posture on the internet with threats everyone knows you can't make good on because you're angry someone somewhere in the world is making it clear they don't want to live in an Albanian Fantasyland and you feel your side needs to have the last word since taking what you took from Kosovo wasn't enough to satisfy your ego, then by all means troll away :)
the Serbian authorities demand a high level of territorial and political autonomy for the Serb municipalities, "modeled after Catalonia"
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
First learn how to spell and then learn the demography of Presevo, Vojvodina and Sandzak. 75%of the population in Vojvodina are serbs and a big majority of the population in Sandzak and Presevo is serbian aswell so why compare them to Kosovo?
By the way the most powerful bosniaks from Sandzak are highly positioned within the parliament, such as Rasim Ljajic for example and they have never ever said anything about separating from Serbia.
I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities in N. Kosovo outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
(icj1, 21 December 2012 05:29)
99.74% of the population is kind of hard to ignore. But I guess you're right. They weren't calling for secession or independence from Kosovo because Kosovo's institutions are non-existent there to begin with and it would be kind of silly for them to call for secession and/or independence from Serbia, the country that is represented there :)
Serbia needs to find a new President and change it's political parties. The current people aren't doing their job that they're paid to do and that is...serve it's people, for it looks like they're serving themselves. Oh what a mess!!!!
It's an undeniable fact that the cultural heritage of Serbia lies in Kosovo. Given over 3000 Serbian orthodox christian landmarks and tens of thousands of clergymen and women, and Serb locals maintining their christian traditions in Kosovo, it is by far the right, privilege and great honor of probably every Serb to rest his/her remains there. As part of the European continent Serbia as well as Kosovo deserves better. The disputed land itself is a landmark of European, let alone christian liberty; it is the parent of middle age Roman Catholic renaissance and the Anglo-Saxon Protestant reformation. Without the struggle of these brilliant Serbian people against militant, fundamentalist and barbaric hords from the east none of the two mentioned European events would have been possible. I can only imagine how it would be for me not to be able to rest and conclude my life in my own native Britain alongside the great Englishmen this earth bore thanks to the brave hearts of the Serbian people, the hearts of liberty. My best wishes go to our brethren!!! Fight on Mr. Nikolic!!!
Explain to me how is it possible for a country to "attack"a piece of its own territory?Albanian logic is known worldwide LOL.
(Daniel, 21 December 2012 09:11)
Finally you understand why General Gotovina is innocent.
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Well, well. Kosova was taken very serious and Belgrade was bombed. What more do you want in your own words?
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Exactly, and the same holds true for the Serbs in North Kosovo. I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities in N. Kosovo outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence.
Well as I said before, Serbian zones across the province need to remain fully under Serbia
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2012 17:12)
Serbs, Albanians and everybody else in Kosovo are already under Serbia, dear, because Kosovo is Serbia, isnt't it ? So there is nothing to worry about that :)
The proposal is of course excellent and I have no idea why Albanians find it so problematic since it doesn't affect them at all. Of course, however, it is correct that it is a bit much to ask for this deal but then say you'll continue to "never" recognise Kosovo. That *is* a problem - surely the point of a solution in which the Serb communities in Kosovo get a maximalist internal position - including with links to Serbia - is that acceptance of it should mean should precisely lead to recognition, ie, the proposal is for a solution, not continuaito of a stalemate. Hopefully though this aspect of the proposal is merely the ambit claim, the bargaining position, that will be forgotten about when cooler heads prevail, on both sides.
Let's see first how this Catalonian model works for Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzjak.
(Mark, 20 December 2012 18:45)
Oh I'm sorry, but when did that ever matter to any of those scenarios? I don't recall any of the local populations in any of those communities outside the extreme nationalist fringes calling for secession or independence. And of those, I don't recall anyone in the international community taking them seriously :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 December 2012 22:43)
Are the serbs in Kosovo "local population" or "extreme nationalists"? Rest assure that whatever you serbs will try to get for the serbs in Kosovo we albanians will try to get for our people in Presevo.The international community has not reacted because we haven't blocked roads or killed any cops in Presevo yet, like you have done in Kosovo.When we start retaliating the same way you do in Kosovo things will change. If this platform is good for the serbs in Kosovo than it should be applied to all other minorities in Serbia as well.
its better to lose the North completely than accept such a plan. what this pan would give serbia is a hand in kosova's sovereignty, it will be rejected and so it well should
First learn how to spell and then learn the demography of Presevo, Vojvodina and Sandzak. 75%of the population in Vojvodina are serbs and a big majority of the population in Sandzak and Presevo is serbian aswell so why compare them to Kosovo?
(Daniel, 21 December 2012 09:08)
So the demography matters when we talk about 75% serbs in Vojvodina but it does not matter when we talk about 95% albanians in Kosovo? Serbs should compare Kosovo to Catalonian model or any other model they want but nobody should compare Presevo,Vojvodina and Sandzak to anything.
More total recognition of Kosovo independence from Serbia. Customs and ambassadors and this autonomy for Serbs in a supposed Serb province! No one supports Kosovo independence more than Dacic.
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