"Kosovo supervision ends, sovereignty in fall"

Most Serbs could never expect the West to just do a u-turn and start siding with Serbia in this situation. Despite the fact that everyone knows that conflict was not so one sided in terms of atrocities (just one sided in terms of who kicked who's a*s, but can't hate us for being stronger) the West could never flip flop on such an issue they were absolute about during the late 1990's.

However, this is the next best thing.

In code this means "you are responsible for your own defense" that is what sovereign really means anyway, right? I mean how are you independent if you are dependent on some other army to fight your battles.

What comes next is interesting. Because since the Albanians are so deluded they will continue to attack Serbian communities. So it will be up to the government in Belgrade how long they will take such provocations without looking weak and illegitimate.

They will have time to buy because Pristina is only capable of isolating the enclaves but are not physically strong enough to mess with 40,000 Serbs in the north I don't have to mention what happened last July do I?

Well I will, it was utter DEFEAT. And now that Pristina has "sovereignty" and are responsible for their own defeats, expect more to come:)

Zemljo slavnih vitezova, Lazara i Milosa

Congratulations to our brothers in Kosova, well done. Kosova has been determined to work with all ethnic groups to have a better and a brighter future for all. This is a great way to start, no provocations from any side will be tolerated at any extent. Laws are laws, and they have to be obeyed or you can simply be punished for it. It is time for Kosova to walk on its own. It has been a long struggle and a tough journey, but somehow they have managed to get there.
For anyone else who has anything critical to comment about Kosova, just because you may be biased, save it for now.

Step by step Kosovo is taking it's place in Europe. Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state.

"Kosovo supervision ends, sovereignty in fall"

'Kosovo superstition ends - sovereignty failed' :)

The plan for Kosovo's supervised independence, drawn up by UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari, was rejected by Serbia and Russia and never adopted by the UN Security Council. I don't understand, if the Ahtisaari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, how can it have been valid? In other words, how can Kosovo be independent in any regard, supervised or not? Is this the West just going forward, and doing what they want, with any nations sovereign territory? And does office honestly believe that Kosovo is ready for any kind of independence, where minorities are still being harassed, and worse, at will? Let's be honest here folks.

LOL what kind of joke is this? I thought Kosovo has been "fully independent" for four years now since everytime some international official needs to say something bland and sweeping about this farcical pet project in multiethnic democracy, they usually say something about independence being "final" and some sort of success story. Now we hear that all of this has been a facade for 4 years and only now is Kosovo going to be independent despite problems with "integrating" the north, rampant corruption, persistent ethnic attacks, and one of the poorest standards of living in Europe? All of this was under "supervised independence" so I dread seeing what the Europe's youngest "democracy" will look like once full control is given to these clowns in Pristina. I even hear Thaci has some "generous plan" for the Serbs of northern Kosovo that will turn them into loyal citzens. Can't wait to hear this latest bout of delusion :)

The ICO and ISG can leave kosovo*, however UNMIK under UN1244 will remain keep kosovo* a frozen issue.

In code this means "you are responsible for your own defense"
Ari Gold
One big, huge problem n your pipe dream, Russia and China in their efforts to "back" Serbia will not agree to a repeal of 1244, So Kfor still has its mandate. Of course should 1244 be repealed there is nothing to stop Kosovo from entering into an agreement with the US or NATO for protective security forces.
In either situation, Serbia forces are not crossing the border. So laugh at Kosovo sovereignty if you want to but you are doing it from outside of Kosovo.

The ISG congratulated the Kosovo government “for its clear support to a democratic and multi-ethnic state, as evidenced in the passing of the laws and amendments to implement the Comprehensive Settlement Proposal (CSP) package, including laws on cultural and religious heritage, community rights and decentralization.“

Great to see honest words. As we can read, they use the word 'democratic and multi-ethnic' and 'cultural and religious heritage' and mention only the laws - no word about the real situation on the ground in the last years. You know: Paper doesn't blush :)

Ask Adem Jashari ;) I might make that my new user name "ask Adem Jashari"
(Ari Gold, 2 July 2012 21:52)

I got a better one for you Ari;

"ask Slobodan Milosevic"

Laws are laws, and they have to be obeyed or you can simply be punished for it.
(Eagle)

Why should Serbs obey to your laws? They never recognized your law. Did you obey YU law? Yes you did. But you didn't want to get punished for it, did you?

(think again, 2 July 2012 17:42)

KFOR will be in Kosovo* for as long as Western governments want to use their citizens' tax dollars to finance them. They wont stay because of some silly mandate. With the Eurozone in a slow motion car crash, you can expect financing whatever the hell it is they are doing in Kosovo* will be down the list of priorities.

And that is exactly what this is all about. What the West means by we are not going to supervise you anymore, means exactly that. You can make all the decisions you want without us, but be prepared to take full responsibility for everything that you do because we do not have the money to finance this anymore.

I think there are over 40,000 people inside Kosovo* who are laughing at the idea of Albanian sovereignty over anything.

Its so hilarious to believe NATO and the US are going to be willing to fight for you, especially if Iran and Israel ever engage in open conflict you can kiss your facade goodbye.

Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state.
(Kelly, 2 July 2012 18:29)

Go back to Albania then. Be free and united there.

LOL,

To be a member of the so dubbed International Steering Group, you must represent the minority of countries that have recognised Kosovo*.

Here an international, there an international everwhere an international, old McDonald had a fantasy.....

Now this is funny. Who really believes this rubbish? Lets just keep feeding Albanians nonsense and hopefully they will stay calm.

Ari Gold,
Naive little person aren't you. Kfor, #1 receives financing in part from the UN as it is a UN mission, #2 There are only 5-6000 personnel in Kosovo not a huge number. #3 that number probably will not decrease until the balkans is in a comfortable place for the EU, or Serbia is pretty much locked in to where the EU is not worried about crossing the border. Any savings realized by total withdrawal from Kosovo will not affect the economic status of any nation in the west. #4 The US budget for Kosovo is less than 0.5% of its foreign affairs budget. #5 As tensions increase between the US and Russia or the EU and Russia so will any American support for Kosovo if a Russian ally should invade.
People say there are only 2 things that are certain, death and taxes. But in the US there is another, and that is anyone growing up during the cold war, does not trust Russia and while they want peace with Russia they will never embrace a country that is considered a Russian brethren.

Why should Serbs obey to your laws? They never recognized your law. Did you obey YU law? Yes you did. But you didn't want to get punished for it, did you?
(aaayyy, 2 July 2012 17:43)

Step by Step for now Milom if in 2 or 3 years nto then Silom only 40K Serbs meaning 10K to make trouble very easy to stop them:

- Close the Border
-Jail person who casues trouble
- soon enough they will learn and hence problem solved always can get some Croatian Generals to advise on how to eradicate Serbian extremism they got rid of 200k so for a smaller number will be mush simpler, or US generals.

"Step by step Kosovo is taking it's place in Europe. Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state."

Kelly

Another proud albanian using a western name to hide his own. If albanians are indeed one of the oldest nation in European history then you haven't acheived much. What traces of your "old" culture did your ancestors leave? How come then only old and unique buildings in Kosovo belong to Serbs? Albanian history is as old as yesterdays news.

LOL ISG to stop supervision of a non-entity "Kosova" - i.e. they no longer have any money to waste on this failed project!

All these solemn pronouncements and not one mention of how the end of this "supervision" will effect the presence of NATO (KFOR). Yes, "think again", KFOR represents NATO, not the UN. If KFOR remains in Kosovo, then by any definition of the word "supervised", Kosovo will continue to be supervised.

We all know that KFOR is there to be the Albanian bodyguard, but there is a down side to this. Even a thug bodyguard may have moral and legal standards superior to the thug he is guarding and that is certainly the case in Kosovo. How long before the rot and organized crime that saturate Albanian Kosovo starts to spread into KFOR? What happens when we finally find KFOR troops moving drugs or people or in some other way actually participating in organized crime? We can imagine that this has happened already and is being hushed up to dignify the situation. This would certainly explain the sudden rush to announce "unsupervised independence". Get the civilian administrators out fast before the rot starts spreading to them too. Those Albanian gangsters with their sheik friends got a lot of money. It must be awful tempting.

Why should Serbs obey to your laws? They never recognized your law. Did you obey YU law? Yes you did. But you didn't want to get punished for it, did you?
(aaayyy, 2 July 2012 17:43)

Step by Step for now Milom if in 2 or 3 years nto then Silom only 40K Serbs meaning 10K to make trouble very easy to stop them:

- Close the Border
-Jail person who casues trouble
- soon enough they will learn and hence problem solved always can get some Croatian Generals to advise on how to eradicate Serbian extremism they got rid of 200k so for a smaller number will be mush simpler, or US generals.
(Bilbao, 2 July 2012 19:24)

It's interesting how B92 publishes comments which advocate ethnic cleansing. So is it possible to say here that Milosevic was right when he decided to cleanse Albanian troublemakers from Kosovo? Only he did it too late...

"Kosovo supervision ends, sovereignity in fall" And what the heck does that mean? That Serbia, Russia, China and the remaining 120 something countries yet to recognize Kosovo will do so? Supervision, sovereignity...same shit, different package.

Kosovo to be independent? Again? This must be a world record.

The ISG presents the territories controlled by Pristina like a fancy yogurt*. Smooth on top, but large lumps .

*Warning, definitely contain nuts

(think again, 2 July 2012 19:23)

This is simply not true. The entire Western presence in Kosovo* is funded by the Western tax payers.

And you just keep banking on an outside force to fight your battles for you. If that is all you can hope for then it shows how weak, pathetic and feeble you people really are.

The point is the USA wont be there forever...we will

....and we all know what happened the last time our two sides met in a war without outside force...

Ask Adem Jashari ;) I might make that my new user name "ask Adem Jashari"

Great! Kosova will continue the successful path it was going since 2008! So far, Kosova managed to become #1 when it comes to drug distribution in Europe! The Kosova maf.. government is working hard on reaching their next goal: Not only to be #1 in Europe, but on a worldwide base. Go, Kosova!!!

Albanians among the oldest nations in Europe...must be kidding - where are the physical evidence of their presence ( or their "ancient high-class culture", besides criminal activities) for instance in KiM? The only artifacts are Serbian ones, plus some Muslim invaders buildings made of destroyed Serbian Christian churces/monasteries... What one can see is something what is going on in Syria - brainless islamofascists on rampage http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.ca/2012/06/syrian-rebels-plundering-and-destroying.html

Step by step Kosovo is taking it's place in Europe. Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state.
(Kelly, 2 July 2012 18:29)

So they are claiming benefits from Brussels because they are all pensioners? There's ample proof that they are not. That would be fraud.

Albanians among the oldest nations in Europe...must be kidding - where are the physical evidence of their presence ( or their "ancient high-class culture", besides criminal activities) for instance in KiM? The only artifacts are Serbian ones, plus some Muslim invaders buildings made of destroyed Serbian Christian churces/monasteries... What one can see is something what is going on in Syria - brainless islamofascists on rampage

(to Kelly)

Kosova/Dardania is an ancient Illyrian place that for 2 thousand years was under Roman rule, Byzantium rule, Serbian rule, Ottoman rule, Yugoslav rule, International rule, and from 2008 is under Albanian rule. If you have a minimal logic you with understand that you will find today in Kosova, more Yugoslav buildings, than Ottoman artifacts, than Serbian artifacts, than Byzantium artifact, than Roman artifacts and than Illyrian artifacts.

Police needed in Kosovo and BiH due to Serbian problem.
States of Balkan need to unite to deal with Serbian disease.
Healthy Balkan after deal with Serbian disease.

The only artifacts are Serbian ones, plus some Muslim invaders buildings made of destroyed Serbian Christian churces/monasteries
(to kelly, 2 July 2012 19:24)

Of course like the Serb invaders destroyed the Roman artifacts; the same way that Roman invaders destroyed the pre-Roman artifacts; the same way that pre-Roman invaders destroyed the pre-pre-Roman artifacts; the same way that pre-pre-Roman invaders destroyed the pre-pre-pre-Roman artifacts and so on... so your point was ?!

Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state."

Kelly, or actually Amatullah, - I fully agree with you - Albanian Muslims and Dinosaurs are actually blood-relatives, and therefore share the same culture and mental capablities! That is why you are so advanced that other people must hold candle to you...Upps!, but you should know what happened to your kinfolk...

well ,show me in the pics of or refer to a single Albanian artifact in KiM? there are some honest famous Albanians who admit to that as well:
[link]
then a interview: [link]

[link]

[link]
(to Tirana Dori, 3 July 2012 13:01)

And What is your point about these amateur self-made links?
Are you trying to say that these links made by amateur Serbs hold any importance in fooling intelligent people that Serbs are right. No wonder that Serb propaganda self-destructed Serbia mostly as people like you convinced normal Serbs that all the Non - Serbs in Yugoslavia were THE AGRESSORS and the Serbs were the victims of what happened in Yougoslavia.

"ask Adam Jashari" yeah he would probably tell me how many Yugoslav "special" forces he took with him during all three attacks on his family. And how his death inspired the Kosovo Liberation Army. Please, Albanians have been at the mercy of Serb propaganda. We show videos of Serb military shooting boys at point blank range, they show an Albanian soldier killing a Yugoslav soldier, we show video of ethnic cleansing, they make claims of organ trafficking (with absolutely no proof) And now you say that the story of Adem Jashari is a symbol of Albanian weakness. HAH let me make one thing clear, NATO will leave Kosovo when Kosovo enters NATO. And that will be the final nail in the coffin of claims towards KOSOVO!

Ari Gold is furious......

:p

In response to all comments, both Albanians and Serbs. Kosova is independent. No matter what anyone thinks, you can not turn back time. 75 percent of Kosovars are under the age of 35, that means they have a long and bright future. Serbia, along with you "wannabe western" Serbs, have reason to fear. Your next generation along with generations to come will experience the fear first hand. Illyrians are Albanians and Albanians are the future.

"... the same way that pre-pre-Roman invaders destroyed the pre-pre-pre-Roman artifacts and so on... so your point was ?!"
(icj1, 3 July 2012 02:40)

You forget: The Albanian invaders destroying Serbian monuments and churches - not that people think those things only happen in the past. No, even in the 21st century :)

What a mascarade these countries.
They try and try by meaningless statements.
Serbia has the last say before Kosovo will be a real country,and this is reality.

Agim Kelmendi,

Milosevic was handed over by SERBS!... and namely because he cost Serbia Kosovo.

Your "Hero / Leader" was liquidated by Serbian commandos. Don't think for a second the Albanian rag tag KLA "forces" could beat anyone. They only managed to kill elderly people and kids.

Fortunately the Steering Group does not decide but the UN does!

Good. The Albanians are known for their inability to run a state without someone holding their hand the whole time.

Paul, 2 July 2012 21:57)
Curious Paul, where do you get your information, or is this jsut what you think?
Kfor is the international security presence formed from Resolution 1244.
"The international security presence with substantial North Atlantic Treaty Organization participation must be deployed under unified command and control and authorized to establish a safe environment for all people in Kosovo"
The security presence has NO supervisory nor political roles period. Their job is the security of the people of Kosovo, and specifically insuring the freedom of movement for all of Kosovo especially the international presence (EULEX)

(to Tirana Dori, 3 July 2012 13:01)
You have no knowledge of how the nations are created. If you know the century of nations was 19th . These century was created the nation of Germans of today, Italian of today, Greeks of today, Croatian of today, Turkish of today, Albanian of today, Serbs of today and so on. Do you people think that you are the same with Serbs of Kingdom of Serbia of 13 century, do you think that Greeks of today are the same with Hellenic people? Why than you ask for Albanian to be the same with Illyrian. So man we have only the origin from this ancients tribes, but too many water has passed in this centuries. So the nation of Albanians was born on the century of nations 19th, like Germans, Italians, Greeks, Serbs and so on.

My point is not to find artifacts that tell only for a past story, but to ask the people that live the every day life in Kosova. Was this stupid colonialist falsification of Serbia and Greece during WWI that has stolen Kosova and Cameria from Albania, two regions with majority of more 80% Albanians. During this time all the Europe mentality was a colonialist one, and they accept that you occupy with force this two regions with majority Albanian people. Today Europe has changed and human right and stability are more important than colonialist intentions of Albanians neighbors. Since 1844 that Serbia was independent state Kosova was majority Albanians. And people dear decide today not artifacts. For artifacts read the response of ICJ

"a New Day", KFOR is NATO in Kosovo. NATO bombed Serbia into submission and then occupies Serbia on the ground as KFOR. The UN's pronouncements are just window dressing, especially since KFOR makes not even the display of protecting Serbs from Albanians. The UN has no authority over NATO or KFOR either. If the UN actually wanted to create its own military presence in Kosovo, it would be perfectly capable of doing that, the "Blue Hats" have been in all kinds of hot spots before.

My point is not to find artifacts that tell only for a past story, but to ask the people that live the every day life in Kosova. Was this stupid colonialist falsification of Serbia and Greece during WWI that has stolen Kosova and Cameria from Albania, two regions with majority of more 80% Albanians. During this time all the Europe mentality was a colonialist one, and they accept that you occupy with force this two regions with majority Albanian people. Today Europe has changed and human right and stability are more important than colonialist intentions of Albanians neighbors. Since 1844 that Serbia was independent state Kosova was majority Albanians.

What I see that Muslim invaders, both Turks and Albanians, moved to KiM and through genocide rid Kosovo of its lawful owners - whose ownership is verified by artifacts, some of them are in UNESCO heritage list - rest of the stories about Illyrian-Albaian links are fairytales, wishful thinking, as every criminal convinces himself/herself of the legitimacy of his/her misdeeds! Albania to Albanians and Serbia, to which KiM is a internationally recognized part, to Serbia. All Muslim invaders back to their country of origin - and everybody will be happy (except for jihadists loosers, but they can go to Mecca and enjoy every day the presence of their God)

Comm. Parrisson

you mean like Serbs destroying Albanian houses in the late 90's? by the way, which Albanian invaders? where did they invade from?

well ,show me in the pics of or refer to a single Albanian artifact in KiM? there are some honest famous Albanians who admit to that as well:
http://www.reocities.com/aia_skenderbeg/albanian_sources.html
then a interview: http://www.unitedmacedonians.org/macedonia/kaplan_english.html

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8425&page=4

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=128055

com parison& exkfor what is your point? If albanian destroy today all serbs artifacts you will not say more kosovo is serbia? My point is that kosova is the place of people that live in kosova albanians and kserbs, and all serbs monument are important for the turism of kosova and important for the story of serbian nation. Do we agree?

You forget: The Albanian invaders destroying Serbian monuments and churches - not that people think those things only happen in the past. No, even in the 21st century :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 3 July 2012 18:48)

Sure property is destroyed and people are murdered by criminals every day in every country and the police should do its job to bring them to justice.... thanks for reminding me of that.

I think B92 should open a forum about justice and policing issues so we can discuss in length about that without getting of topic :)

the sooner foreign occupiers go, the better it is. as for this socalled "independence" - even our dear k-albanian friends know that they will never be in the position to call themselves independent without looking like complete idiots.

as soon as NATO is out of southern Serbia, the albanian guests should start a little thinking about their personal future.

Step by step Kosovo is taking it's place in Europe. Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state.

Congratulations to our brothers in Kosova, well done. Kosova has been determined to work with all ethnic groups to have a better and a brighter future for all. This is a great way to start, no provocations from any side will be tolerated at any extent. Laws are laws, and they have to be obeyed or you can simply be punished for it. It is time for Kosova to walk on its own. It has been a long struggle and a tough journey, but somehow they have managed to get there.
For anyone else who has anything critical to comment about Kosova, just because you may be biased, save it for now.

Most Serbs could never expect the West to just do a u-turn and start siding with Serbia in this situation. Despite the fact that everyone knows that conflict was not so one sided in terms of atrocities (just one sided in terms of who kicked who's a*s, but can't hate us for being stronger) the West could never flip flop on such an issue they were absolute about during the late 1990's.

However, this is the next best thing.

In code this means "you are responsible for your own defense" that is what sovereign really means anyway, right? I mean how are you independent if you are dependent on some other army to fight your battles.

What comes next is interesting. Because since the Albanians are so deluded they will continue to attack Serbian communities. So it will be up to the government in Belgrade how long they will take such provocations without looking weak and illegitimate.

They will have time to buy because Pristina is only capable of isolating the enclaves but are not physically strong enough to mess with 40,000 Serbs in the north I don't have to mention what happened last July do I?

Well I will, it was utter DEFEAT. And now that Pristina has "sovereignty" and are responsible for their own defeats, expect more to come:)

Zemljo slavnih vitezova, Lazara i Milosa

"Kosovo supervision ends, sovereignty in fall"

'Kosovo superstition ends - sovereignty failed' :)

The ICO and ISG can leave kosovo*, however UNMIK under UN1244 will remain keep kosovo* a frozen issue.

The plan for Kosovo's supervised independence, drawn up by UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari, was rejected by Serbia and Russia and never adopted by the UN Security Council. I don't understand, if the Ahtisaari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, how can it have been valid? In other words, how can Kosovo be independent in any regard, supervised or not? Is this the West just going forward, and doing what they want, with any nations sovereign territory? And does office honestly believe that Kosovo is ready for any kind of independence, where minorities are still being harassed, and worse, at will? Let's be honest here folks.

In code this means "you are responsible for your own defense"
Ari Gold
One big, huge problem n your pipe dream, Russia and China in their efforts to "back" Serbia will not agree to a repeal of 1244, So Kfor still has its mandate. Of course should 1244 be repealed there is nothing to stop Kosovo from entering into an agreement with the US or NATO for protective security forces.
In either situation, Serbia forces are not crossing the border. So laugh at Kosovo sovereignty if you want to but you are doing it from outside of Kosovo.

Laws are laws, and they have to be obeyed or you can simply be punished for it.
(Eagle)

Why should Serbs obey to your laws? They never recognized your law. Did you obey YU law? Yes you did. But you didn't want to get punished for it, did you?

Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state.
(Kelly, 2 July 2012 18:29)

Go back to Albania then. Be free and united there.

The ISG congratulated the Kosovo government “for its clear support to a democratic and multi-ethnic state, as evidenced in the passing of the laws and amendments to implement the Comprehensive Settlement Proposal (CSP) package, including laws on cultural and religious heritage, community rights and decentralization.“

Great to see honest words. As we can read, they use the word 'democratic and multi-ethnic' and 'cultural and religious heritage' and mention only the laws - no word about the real situation on the ground in the last years. You know: Paper doesn't blush :)

LOL,

To be a member of the so dubbed International Steering Group, you must represent the minority of countries that have recognised Kosovo*.

Here an international, there an international everwhere an international, old McDonald had a fantasy.....

LOL what kind of joke is this? I thought Kosovo has been "fully independent" for four years now since everytime some international official needs to say something bland and sweeping about this farcical pet project in multiethnic democracy, they usually say something about independence being "final" and some sort of success story. Now we hear that all of this has been a facade for 4 years and only now is Kosovo going to be independent despite problems with "integrating" the north, rampant corruption, persistent ethnic attacks, and one of the poorest standards of living in Europe? All of this was under "supervised independence" so I dread seeing what the Europe's youngest "democracy" will look like once full control is given to these clowns in Pristina. I even hear Thaci has some "generous plan" for the Serbs of northern Kosovo that will turn them into loyal citzens. Can't wait to hear this latest bout of delusion :)

(think again, 2 July 2012 17:42)

KFOR will be in Kosovo* for as long as Western governments want to use their citizens' tax dollars to finance them. They wont stay because of some silly mandate. With the Eurozone in a slow motion car crash, you can expect financing whatever the hell it is they are doing in Kosovo* will be down the list of priorities.

And that is exactly what this is all about. What the West means by we are not going to supervise you anymore, means exactly that. You can make all the decisions you want without us, but be prepared to take full responsibility for everything that you do because we do not have the money to finance this anymore.

I think there are over 40,000 people inside Kosovo* who are laughing at the idea of Albanian sovereignty over anything.

Its so hilarious to believe NATO and the US are going to be willing to fight for you, especially if Iran and Israel ever engage in open conflict you can kiss your facade goodbye.

Now this is funny. Who really believes this rubbish? Lets just keep feeding Albanians nonsense and hopefully they will stay calm.

"Kosovo supervision ends, sovereignity in fall" And what the heck does that mean? That Serbia, Russia, China and the remaining 120 something countries yet to recognize Kosovo will do so? Supervision, sovereignity...same shit, different package.

"Step by step Kosovo is taking it's place in Europe. Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state."

Kelly

Another proud albanian using a western name to hide his own. If albanians are indeed one of the oldest nation in European history then you haven't acheived much. What traces of your "old" culture did your ancestors leave? How come then only old and unique buildings in Kosovo belong to Serbs? Albanian history is as old as yesterdays news.

Great! Kosova will continue the successful path it was going since 2008! So far, Kosova managed to become #1 when it comes to drug distribution in Europe! The Kosova maf.. government is working hard on reaching their next goal: Not only to be #1 in Europe, but on a worldwide base. Go, Kosova!!!

Why should Serbs obey to your laws? They never recognized your law. Did you obey YU law? Yes you did. But you didn't want to get punished for it, did you?
(aaayyy, 2 July 2012 17:43)

Step by Step for now Milom if in 2 or 3 years nto then Silom only 40K Serbs meaning 10K to make trouble very easy to stop them:

- Close the Border
-Jail person who casues trouble
- soon enough they will learn and hence problem solved always can get some Croatian Generals to advise on how to eradicate Serbian extremism they got rid of 200k so for a smaller number will be mush simpler, or US generals.

Albanians among the oldest nations in Europe...must be kidding - where are the physical evidence of their presence ( or their "ancient high-class culture", besides criminal activities) for instance in KiM? The only artifacts are Serbian ones, plus some Muslim invaders buildings made of destroyed Serbian Christian churces/monasteries... What one can see is something what is going on in Syria - brainless islamofascists on rampage http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.ca/2012/06/syrian-rebels-plundering-and-destroying.html

Step by step Kosovo is taking it's place in Europe. Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state.
(Kelly, 2 July 2012 18:29)

So they are claiming benefits from Brussels because they are all pensioners? There's ample proof that they are not. That would be fraud.

All these solemn pronouncements and not one mention of how the end of this "supervision" will effect the presence of NATO (KFOR). Yes, "think again", KFOR represents NATO, not the UN. If KFOR remains in Kosovo, then by any definition of the word "supervised", Kosovo will continue to be supervised.

We all know that KFOR is there to be the Albanian bodyguard, but there is a down side to this. Even a thug bodyguard may have moral and legal standards superior to the thug he is guarding and that is certainly the case in Kosovo. How long before the rot and organized crime that saturate Albanian Kosovo starts to spread into KFOR? What happens when we finally find KFOR troops moving drugs or people or in some other way actually participating in organized crime? We can imagine that this has happened already and is being hushed up to dignify the situation. This would certainly explain the sudden rush to announce "unsupervised independence". Get the civilian administrators out fast before the rot starts spreading to them too. Those Albanian gangsters with their sheik friends got a lot of money. It must be awful tempting.

LOL ISG to stop supervision of a non-entity "Kosova" - i.e. they no longer have any money to waste on this failed project!

(think again, 2 July 2012 19:23)

This is simply not true. The entire Western presence in Kosovo* is funded by the Western tax payers.

And you just keep banking on an outside force to fight your battles for you. If that is all you can hope for then it shows how weak, pathetic and feeble you people really are.

The point is the USA wont be there forever...we will

....and we all know what happened the last time our two sides met in a war without outside force...

Ask Adem Jashari ;) I might make that my new user name "ask Adem Jashari"

Why should Serbs obey to your laws? They never recognized your law. Did you obey YU law? Yes you did. But you didn't want to get punished for it, did you?
(aaayyy, 2 July 2012 17:43)

Step by Step for now Milom if in 2 or 3 years nto then Silom only 40K Serbs meaning 10K to make trouble very easy to stop them:

- Close the Border
-Jail person who casues trouble
- soon enough they will learn and hence problem solved always can get some Croatian Generals to advise on how to eradicate Serbian extremism they got rid of 200k so for a smaller number will be mush simpler, or US generals.
(Bilbao, 2 July 2012 19:24)

It's interesting how B92 publishes comments which advocate ethnic cleansing. So is it possible to say here that Milosevic was right when he decided to cleanse Albanian troublemakers from Kosovo? Only he did it too late...

Ask Adem Jashari ;) I might make that my new user name "ask Adem Jashari"
(Ari Gold, 2 July 2012 21:52)

I got a better one for you Ari;

"ask Slobodan Milosevic"

Albanians are one of the oldest nations in Europe and they deserve to be free and united in one state."

Kelly, or actually Amatullah, - I fully agree with you - Albanian Muslims and Dinosaurs are actually blood-relatives, and therefore share the same culture and mental capablities! That is why you are so advanced that other people must hold candle to you...Upps!, but you should know what happened to your kinfolk...

Kosovo to be independent? Again? This must be a world record.

The ISG presents the territories controlled by Pristina like a fancy yogurt*. Smooth on top, but large lumps .

*Warning, definitely contain nuts

Ari Gold,
Naive little person aren't you. Kfor, #1 receives financing in part from the UN as it is a UN mission, #2 There are only 5-6000 personnel in Kosovo not a huge number. #3 that number probably will not decrease until the balkans is in a comfortable place for the EU, or Serbia is pretty much locked in to where the EU is not worried about crossing the border. Any savings realized by total withdrawal from Kosovo will not affect the economic status of any nation in the west. #4 The US budget for Kosovo is less than 0.5% of its foreign affairs budget. #5 As tensions increase between the US and Russia or the EU and Russia so will any American support for Kosovo if a Russian ally should invade.
People say there are only 2 things that are certain, death and taxes. But in the US there is another, and that is anyone growing up during the cold war, does not trust Russia and while they want peace with Russia they will never embrace a country that is considered a Russian brethren.

Police needed in Kosovo and BiH due to Serbian problem.
States of Balkan need to unite to deal with Serbian disease.
Healthy Balkan after deal with Serbian disease.

Albanians among the oldest nations in Europe...must be kidding - where are the physical evidence of their presence ( or their "ancient high-class culture", besides criminal activities) for instance in KiM? The only artifacts are Serbian ones, plus some Muslim invaders buildings made of destroyed Serbian Christian churces/monasteries... What one can see is something what is going on in Syria - brainless islamofascists on rampage

(to Kelly)

Kosova/Dardania is an ancient Illyrian place that for 2 thousand years was under Roman rule, Byzantium rule, Serbian rule, Ottoman rule, Yugoslav rule, International rule, and from 2008 is under Albanian rule. If you have a minimal logic you with understand that you will find today in Kosova, more Yugoslav buildings, than Ottoman artifacts, than Serbian artifacts, than Byzantium artifact, than Roman artifacts and than Illyrian artifacts.

well ,show me in the pics of or refer to a single Albanian artifact in KiM? there are some honest famous Albanians who admit to that as well:
[link]
then a interview: [link]

[link]

[link]
(to Tirana Dori, 3 July 2012 13:01)

And What is your point about these amateur self-made links?
Are you trying to say that these links made by amateur Serbs hold any importance in fooling intelligent people that Serbs are right. No wonder that Serb propaganda self-destructed Serbia mostly as people like you convinced normal Serbs that all the Non - Serbs in Yugoslavia were THE AGRESSORS and the Serbs were the victims of what happened in Yougoslavia.

(to Tirana Dori, 3 July 2012 13:01)
You have no knowledge of how the nations are created. If you know the century of nations was 19th . These century was created the nation of Germans of today, Italian of today, Greeks of today, Croatian of today, Turkish of today, Albanian of today, Serbs of today and so on. Do you people think that you are the same with Serbs of Kingdom of Serbia of 13 century, do you think that Greeks of today are the same with Hellenic people? Why than you ask for Albanian to be the same with Illyrian. So man we have only the origin from this ancients tribes, but too many water has passed in this centuries. So the nation of Albanians was born on the century of nations 19th, like Germans, Italians, Greeks, Serbs and so on.

My point is not to find artifacts that tell only for a past story, but to ask the people that live the every day life in Kosova. Was this stupid colonialist falsification of Serbia and Greece during WWI that has stolen Kosova and Cameria from Albania, two regions with majority of more 80% Albanians. During this time all the Europe mentality was a colonialist one, and they accept that you occupy with force this two regions with majority Albanian people. Today Europe has changed and human right and stability are more important than colonialist intentions of Albanians neighbors. Since 1844 that Serbia was independent state Kosova was majority Albanians. And people dear decide today not artifacts. For artifacts read the response of ICJ

What a mascarade these countries.
They try and try by meaningless statements.
Serbia has the last say before Kosovo will be a real country,and this is reality.

Good. The Albanians are known for their inability to run a state without someone holding their hand the whole time.

well ,show me in the pics of or refer to a single Albanian artifact in KiM? there are some honest famous Albanians who admit to that as well:
http://www.reocities.com/aia_skenderbeg/albanian_sources.html
then a interview: http://www.unitedmacedonians.org/macedonia/kaplan_english.html

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8425&page=4

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=128055

Comm. Parrisson

you mean like Serbs destroying Albanian houses in the late 90's? by the way, which Albanian invaders? where did they invade from?

You forget: The Albanian invaders destroying Serbian monuments and churches - not that people think those things only happen in the past. No, even in the 21st century :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 3 July 2012 18:48)

Sure property is destroyed and people are murdered by criminals every day in every country and the police should do its job to bring them to justice.... thanks for reminding me of that.

I think B92 should open a forum about justice and policing issues so we can discuss in length about that without getting of topic :)

Agim Kelmendi,

Milosevic was handed over by SERBS!... and namely because he cost Serbia Kosovo.

Your "Hero / Leader" was liquidated by Serbian commandos. Don't think for a second the Albanian rag tag KLA "forces" could beat anyone. They only managed to kill elderly people and kids.

The only artifacts are Serbian ones, plus some Muslim invaders buildings made of destroyed Serbian Christian churces/monasteries
(to kelly, 2 July 2012 19:24)

Of course like the Serb invaders destroyed the Roman artifacts; the same way that Roman invaders destroyed the pre-Roman artifacts; the same way that pre-Roman invaders destroyed the pre-pre-Roman artifacts; the same way that pre-pre-Roman invaders destroyed the pre-pre-pre-Roman artifacts and so on... so your point was ?!

In response to all comments, both Albanians and Serbs. Kosova is independent. No matter what anyone thinks, you can not turn back time. 75 percent of Kosovars are under the age of 35, that means they have a long and bright future. Serbia, along with you "wannabe western" Serbs, have reason to fear. Your next generation along with generations to come will experience the fear first hand. Illyrians are Albanians and Albanians are the future.

Fortunately the Steering Group does not decide but the UN does!

Paul, 2 July 2012 21:57)
Curious Paul, where do you get your information, or is this jsut what you think?
Kfor is the international security presence formed from Resolution 1244.
"The international security presence with substantial North Atlantic Treaty Organization participation must be deployed under unified command and control and authorized to establish a safe environment for all people in Kosovo"
The security presence has NO supervisory nor political roles period. Their job is the security of the people of Kosovo, and specifically insuring the freedom of movement for all of Kosovo especially the international presence (EULEX)

com parison& exkfor what is your point? If albanian destroy today all serbs artifacts you will not say more kosovo is serbia? My point is that kosova is the place of people that live in kosova albanians and kserbs, and all serbs monument are important for the turism of kosova and important for the story of serbian nation. Do we agree?

"ask Adam Jashari" yeah he would probably tell me how many Yugoslav "special" forces he took with him during all three attacks on his family. And how his death inspired the Kosovo Liberation Army. Please, Albanians have been at the mercy of Serb propaganda. We show videos of Serb military shooting boys at point blank range, they show an Albanian soldier killing a Yugoslav soldier, we show video of ethnic cleansing, they make claims of organ trafficking (with absolutely no proof) And now you say that the story of Adem Jashari is a symbol of Albanian weakness. HAH let me make one thing clear, NATO will leave Kosovo when Kosovo enters NATO. And that will be the final nail in the coffin of claims towards KOSOVO!

My point is not to find artifacts that tell only for a past story, but to ask the people that live the every day life in Kosova. Was this stupid colonialist falsification of Serbia and Greece during WWI that has stolen Kosova and Cameria from Albania, two regions with majority of more 80% Albanians. During this time all the Europe mentality was a colonialist one, and they accept that you occupy with force this two regions with majority Albanian people. Today Europe has changed and human right and stability are more important than colonialist intentions of Albanians neighbors. Since 1844 that Serbia was independent state Kosova was majority Albanians.

What I see that Muslim invaders, both Turks and Albanians, moved to KiM and through genocide rid Kosovo of its lawful owners - whose ownership is verified by artifacts, some of them are in UNESCO heritage list - rest of the stories about Illyrian-Albaian links are fairytales, wishful thinking, as every criminal convinces himself/herself of the legitimacy of his/her misdeeds! Albania to Albanians and Serbia, to which KiM is a internationally recognized part, to Serbia. All Muslim invaders back to their country of origin - and everybody will be happy (except for jihadists loosers, but they can go to Mecca and enjoy every day the presence of their God)

"... the same way that pre-pre-Roman invaders destroyed the pre-pre-pre-Roman artifacts and so on... so your point was ?!"
(icj1, 3 July 2012 02:40)

You forget: The Albanian invaders destroying Serbian monuments and churches - not that people think those things only happen in the past. No, even in the 21st century :)

"a New Day", KFOR is NATO in Kosovo. NATO bombed Serbia into submission and then occupies Serbia on the ground as KFOR. The UN's pronouncements are just window dressing, especially since KFOR makes not even the display of protecting Serbs from Albanians. The UN has no authority over NATO or KFOR either. If the UN actually wanted to create its own military presence in Kosovo, it would be perfectly capable of doing that, the "Blue Hats" have been in all kinds of hot spots before.

Ari Gold is furious......

:p

the sooner foreign occupiers go, the better it is. as for this socalled "independence" - even our dear k-albanian friends know that they will never be in the position to call themselves independent without looking like complete idiots.

as soon as NATO is out of southern Serbia, the albanian guests should start a little thinking about their personal future.