"Germanophobia rules Europe once again"

Germanophobia is a live and well for good reason. Just look at Germany's behaviour in the Balkans for instance, the way they unequivocally support their old WWII allies, Croatia, Kosovo albanians and Bosnian muslims, and have done everything in their power to destroy their old enemy Serbia. As for their behaviour with Greece and the rest of Europe, Nigel Farage sums it up very well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoagyQguhY&feature=player_embedded#!5pme58

Greece lied and cheated their way into EU. They not only spent their own money but the money that wasn't theirs. Now, we see Greeks crying about high interest rates they have to pay if they want to borrow.

Here's a novel idea.
Wake up in the morning, not at noon, go to work and get paid for the actual work that you do. Pay taxes and pay your debts.
I know that's a lot for Greeks to fathom. But, trust me, give it try. It might do you some good.

Oh, and don't point the finger at the hand that feeds you.
(metrod, 3 February 2012 22:45)

As usual your racist uneducated comments are not dictated by any knowledge but by a grudge you seem to have against the Greeks.If Greece lied so did Germany and France and so did any other EU country.Get your facts before you open your cake hole.

http://www.channel4.com/news/france-and-germany-have-broken-borrowing-rules

The rest of your garbage ain't a penny worth answering.

Whereas I agree with most of the comments posted what I would add is the Eurozone crisis has led to an ugly spate of thinly veiled racism against lazy and spendthrift Mediterranean types in the German media stoking the fires of self-righteous nationalism.But what the German media conveniently avoids telling its readers is the German taxpayer has as yet not paid a single euro. The funds are guarantees, intended to reassure private investors that eurozone states will not default. Even if push came to shove they'd be loans, not gifts outright.

The bailouts of EU countries are also bailouts of German,French and Austrian banks ,who held and hold all sorts of "financial products" in which high-yield (because risky) Greek, Irish, and Portuguese bonds play a large role.The bailouts keep the price of the euro low which makes German exports very competitive.

Madam Merkel won't say either that those EU bailouts are nothing more than an unjust and abusive enrichment, profit gained through unlawful means by certain EU countries.It corresponds to a general principle in international law defined in article 38 of the statutes of the International Court of Justice. |7| States such as Germany, France and Austria borrow at 2% on the markets and lend the same money to Greece at 6% or 6.5%, to Ireland at 6%, and Portugal at 7%.Merkel ,therefore.is doing a favour to those indebted countries all in the altar of EU SOLIDARITY.

I've got a sneeky feeling that the Germans planned this crisis and they knew something like this was going to happen. Indeed it was supposed to happen. The whole point of the euro with its strict anti-inflationary rules was to ram through economic reform in the soft underbelly of Europe. Any country that has the same currency as Germany must have to perform to a similar standard of efficiency.Since the Mediterranean continent cannot obtain those levels of efficiency the end game for the euro is in sight.

Germanophobia is correct every country should fear Germany
look at they history of GENOCIDE...... it's not long ago their fathers did it they will do it again

Vasa

As I said before. If anything destroys the EU as we know it, it will be significantly because of the germans. Again. Much to Britain's benefit. My, how the worm turns. There is no 50-50 french-german balance left, smaller countries didn't leave the SU to live in the Fourth Reich. Power needs to be further devolved away from the center and the European Parliament either shut down or neutered as it has proved to be mostly uselss and AWOL over the euro crisis.

There's going to have to be a fundamental rewrite of the EU to make it much simpler, hopefully with a single page document as its founding document, not the usual multi-tome monstrosity that only freaks can bare to read, let alone understand. Bring it on!

Of course: Hate the Best!

(EU Dude, 3 February 2012 17:02)

And who is paying your salary "EU dude"? Greece, Spain, Ireland...? Without Germany paying for the EU hydra, this monster would be dead by now. Be careful with your wishes, dude...

The EU must die. There is no way that all the members will ever have an equal voice in this conglomerate. Germany, because of its size and economics, will always be the big boy on the block in the EU. The rest will feel like little brothers. That is why I feel the EU, in its present form, is doomed. Maybe by getting rid of the common currency, the Euro, would be a good start. That way individual countries, even though members of some club, can still play with their currencies to benefit their economic positions. It is normal for the big fish to swallow the little ones. The trick must be, to keep the big fish from little prey. That includes the USA.

I know I keep repeating myself but let me say it again. Germany has two options: Save itself and lose the EU or go down with it. History repeats my friends and soon Serbia will be free once again.

Check -> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9055142/Bundesbank-sinks-deeper-into-debt-saving-Europe.html

@German:

if you were the best, you wouldn´t have lost WW II.... =)

you know, the asian "untermensch" took your capital, liberated Auschwitz and all that in a quite impressive way...

and right now, the are lowering the gas-ammount that is flowing towards Germany...

ps: of course, it´s not a german, ...just a mislead k-albanian who wants to provoke anti-german comments here...

you failed, my dear k-albanian friend!

"I've got a sneeky feeling that the Germans planned this crisis and they knew something like this was going to happen. Indeed it was supposed to happen. The whole point of the euro with its strict anti-inflationary rules was to ram through economic reform in the soft underbelly of Europe. Any country that has the same currency as Germany must have to perform to a similar standard of efficiency.Since the Mediterranean continent cannot obtain those levels of efficiency the end game for the euro is in sight.
Leonidas"

Greece lied and cheated their way into EU. They not only spent their own money but the money that wasn't theirs. Now, we see Greeks crying about high interest rates they have to pay if they want to borrow.

Here's a novel idea.
Wake up in the morning, not at noon, go to work and get paid for the actual work that you do. Pay taxes and pay your debts.
I know that's a lot for Greeks to fathom. But, trust me, give it try. It might do you some good.

Oh, and don't point the finger at the hand that feeds you.

(Xerxes,or whatever name you had in your previous reincarnation,if you have been reading my posts in the last few years you would've noticed that i have made up my mind a long time ago as far as the EU is concerned.

I have said before that Greece should've taken charge of its own fate abandon the charade of voluntary haircuts and default on its debts.Then there should be a public audit on its debts and decide who is owned what and how is going to be paid.Only then those dreadful and coersive negotiations would come into an end and the Greek society can move on on the long path to recovery.

I am pretty convinced the EU will go down one way or another.Why do you think Merkel is gone to China for? Not for a dim sum of course.She went begging the Chinese to contribute to the EU stabilisation fund because she knows that Italy and Spain are too big to fail.


(adrian, timisoara,romania, 4 February 2012 11:56)

If Greece is a fake economy what is Romania then? The largest Romanian export is people.From Spain to Italy and Greece thousands of Romanians are employed either legally or illegally in menial jobs or seeking employment.This is why Basescu has been trying his hardest to have Romania included in the Schengen scheme so Romanian workers can move legally to the Northren EU countries which had their borders closed to them.

Despite the huge remmitances sent from workers back home Romania still had three IMF loans in the last five years and is still under its supervision.So there is nothing to brag about but then again I wouldn't expect someone from Romania whose country was a Nazi ally to show solidarity to Greeks who were one of the first countries that lifted all restrictions for Romanian workers.

Translation: We'll keep doing what we're doing, but we'll use prettier words.

Greece is a fake economy. They think that they can get money forever for doing nothing. Germany maybe did not use the proper words, but they are right. If you don`t work, you have no right to get money for free.

Here comes the new boss same as the old boss.Should anybody mind having a German boss if he is the sharpest tool in the shed?

(Leonidas, 3 February 2012 23:37)

Do us all a favor, make up your mind: You can't have both; playing the proud Greek and begging Germany at the same time for more money doesn't go together.

And if the EU should really go down, what do think will happen to Greece? Do you think any country will borrow you a single Cent?

Germany followed for many years a policy of sinking wages and other measures to increase its competitiveness versus the other EU members. The result was and is a huge trade surplus. For a long time this wasn't noticed because the Germans generously lent money to the rest of the EU. But at some point the system broke down and the Germans started to ask the rest of the EU to pay up. But where they ask the rest of the EU to increase their competitiveness they at the same time keep increasing theirs so that the rest of the EU is running just to stand still.

Germany should either follow an expansive monetary policy or leave the euro zone.

"The EU must die. There is no way that all the members will ever have an equal voice in this conglomerate. Germany, because of its size and economics, will always be the big boy on the block in the EU. The rest will feel like little brothers."
(PapaJohn, 3 February 2012 18:21)

You are right, the member states don't have a fair and equal voice. Funnily, it's quite the opposite than you claim: Smaller countries have (relatively, i.e. representatives per capita) much more seats, i.e. more influence in the EU parliament than the bigger countries.

For example:
Germany (about 80Mio) has 96 seats
Hungary (about 10Mio) has 22 seats
Slovenia (about 2 Mio) has 8 seats.

If Slovenes would be represented like Germans in the EU parliament, they only had 2-3 seats, or Germany had 320 seats, respectively. As we can see: The big countries are the ones who don't have the influence they would deserve - but that's exactly a decision that was made not to let the 'big boys' have too much power.

(Leonidas, 4 February 2012 19:55)

Lots of words for a short message: Greece is broke and you Greeks should abandon all hopes (and stop blaming everybody else for your failure)

But as long as Macedonia is Greece everything is fine, isn't it?

"As usual your racist uneducated comments are not dictated by any knowledge but by a grudge you seem to have against the Greeks.If Greece lied so did Germany and France and so did any other EU country.Get your facts before you open your cake hole.

[link]

The rest of your garbage ain't a penny worth answering.
Leonidas"

Garbage is what you post on this forum. I have no ill will against the Greeks. What I find interesting is that a Greek such as yourself has all the answers and does nothing but blame the West for Greece's misfortunes i.e. miscalculations.

Blaming Germany and France doesn't change the fact that Greece cooked their books to get into EU and get all the financial benefits that come with joining.

Again, we're talking about your Greece which defaulted on her debts over 50% of the time in the last 100 years or so. Let me guess. It was the fault of the West every time Greece defaulted. Right?

You think you come across as intelligent by pasting a link that promotes your agenda. It's rubbish. You're judged by the content you post.
And, most of your content is just that. Rubbish.

So, go ahead and blame the West again for all the problems of the world.
BTW, where do you live? I'm sure you don't live in a Western country, now do you?

(EU Dude, 3 February 2012 17:02)

And who is paying your salary "EU dude"? Greece, Spain, Ireland...? Without Germany paying for the EU hydra, this monster would be dead by now. Be careful with your wishes, dude...

Of course: Hate the Best!

"I've got a sneeky feeling that the Germans planned this crisis and they knew something like this was going to happen. Indeed it was supposed to happen. The whole point of the euro with its strict anti-inflationary rules was to ram through economic reform in the soft underbelly of Europe. Any country that has the same currency as Germany must have to perform to a similar standard of efficiency.Since the Mediterranean continent cannot obtain those levels of efficiency the end game for the euro is in sight.
Leonidas"

Greece lied and cheated their way into EU. They not only spent their own money but the money that wasn't theirs. Now, we see Greeks crying about high interest rates they have to pay if they want to borrow.

Here's a novel idea.
Wake up in the morning, not at noon, go to work and get paid for the actual work that you do. Pay taxes and pay your debts.
I know that's a lot for Greeks to fathom. But, trust me, give it try. It might do you some good.

Oh, and don't point the finger at the hand that feeds you.

Germanophobia is a live and well for good reason. Just look at Germany's behaviour in the Balkans for instance, the way they unequivocally support their old WWII allies, Croatia, Kosovo albanians and Bosnian muslims, and have done everything in their power to destroy their old enemy Serbia. As for their behaviour with Greece and the rest of Europe, Nigel Farage sums it up very well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoagyQguhY&feature=player_embedded#!5pme58

@German:

if you were the best, you wouldn´t have lost WW II.... =)

you know, the asian "untermensch" took your capital, liberated Auschwitz and all that in a quite impressive way...

and right now, the are lowering the gas-ammount that is flowing towards Germany...

ps: of course, it´s not a german, ...just a mislead k-albanian who wants to provoke anti-german comments here...

you failed, my dear k-albanian friend!

Here comes the new boss same as the old boss.Should anybody mind having a German boss if he is the sharpest tool in the shed?

The EU must die. There is no way that all the members will ever have an equal voice in this conglomerate. Germany, because of its size and economics, will always be the big boy on the block in the EU. The rest will feel like little brothers. That is why I feel the EU, in its present form, is doomed. Maybe by getting rid of the common currency, the Euro, would be a good start. That way individual countries, even though members of some club, can still play with their currencies to benefit their economic positions. It is normal for the big fish to swallow the little ones. The trick must be, to keep the big fish from little prey. That includes the USA.

Whereas I agree with most of the comments posted what I would add is the Eurozone crisis has led to an ugly spate of thinly veiled racism against lazy and spendthrift Mediterranean types in the German media stoking the fires of self-righteous nationalism.But what the German media conveniently avoids telling its readers is the German taxpayer has as yet not paid a single euro. The funds are guarantees, intended to reassure private investors that eurozone states will not default. Even if push came to shove they'd be loans, not gifts outright.

The bailouts of EU countries are also bailouts of German,French and Austrian banks ,who held and hold all sorts of "financial products" in which high-yield (because risky) Greek, Irish, and Portuguese bonds play a large role.The bailouts keep the price of the euro low which makes German exports very competitive.

Madam Merkel won't say either that those EU bailouts are nothing more than an unjust and abusive enrichment, profit gained through unlawful means by certain EU countries.It corresponds to a general principle in international law defined in article 38 of the statutes of the International Court of Justice. |7| States such as Germany, France and Austria borrow at 2% on the markets and lend the same money to Greece at 6% or 6.5%, to Ireland at 6%, and Portugal at 7%.Merkel ,therefore.is doing a favour to those indebted countries all in the altar of EU SOLIDARITY.

I've got a sneeky feeling that the Germans planned this crisis and they knew something like this was going to happen. Indeed it was supposed to happen. The whole point of the euro with its strict anti-inflationary rules was to ram through economic reform in the soft underbelly of Europe. Any country that has the same currency as Germany must have to perform to a similar standard of efficiency.Since the Mediterranean continent cannot obtain those levels of efficiency the end game for the euro is in sight.

Greece lied and cheated their way into EU. They not only spent their own money but the money that wasn't theirs. Now, we see Greeks crying about high interest rates they have to pay if they want to borrow.

Here's a novel idea.
Wake up in the morning, not at noon, go to work and get paid for the actual work that you do. Pay taxes and pay your debts.
I know that's a lot for Greeks to fathom. But, trust me, give it try. It might do you some good.

Oh, and don't point the finger at the hand that feeds you.
(metrod, 3 February 2012 22:45)

As usual your racist uneducated comments are not dictated by any knowledge but by a grudge you seem to have against the Greeks.If Greece lied so did Germany and France and so did any other EU country.Get your facts before you open your cake hole.

http://www.channel4.com/news/france-and-germany-have-broken-borrowing-rules

The rest of your garbage ain't a penny worth answering.

Germanophobia is correct every country should fear Germany
look at they history of GENOCIDE...... it's not long ago their fathers did it they will do it again

Vasa

I know I keep repeating myself but let me say it again. Germany has two options: Save itself and lose the EU or go down with it. History repeats my friends and soon Serbia will be free once again.

Check -> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9055142/Bundesbank-sinks-deeper-into-debt-saving-Europe.html

As I said before. If anything destroys the EU as we know it, it will be significantly because of the germans. Again. Much to Britain's benefit. My, how the worm turns. There is no 50-50 french-german balance left, smaller countries didn't leave the SU to live in the Fourth Reich. Power needs to be further devolved away from the center and the European Parliament either shut down or neutered as it has proved to be mostly uselss and AWOL over the euro crisis.

There's going to have to be a fundamental rewrite of the EU to make it much simpler, hopefully with a single page document as its founding document, not the usual multi-tome monstrosity that only freaks can bare to read, let alone understand. Bring it on!

Greece is a fake economy. They think that they can get money forever for doing nothing. Germany maybe did not use the proper words, but they are right. If you don`t work, you have no right to get money for free.

(Xerxes,or whatever name you had in your previous reincarnation,if you have been reading my posts in the last few years you would've noticed that i have made up my mind a long time ago as far as the EU is concerned.

I have said before that Greece should've taken charge of its own fate abandon the charade of voluntary haircuts and default on its debts.Then there should be a public audit on its debts and decide who is owned what and how is going to be paid.Only then those dreadful and coersive negotiations would come into an end and the Greek society can move on on the long path to recovery.

I am pretty convinced the EU will go down one way or another.Why do you think Merkel is gone to China for? Not for a dim sum of course.She went begging the Chinese to contribute to the EU stabilisation fund because she knows that Italy and Spain are too big to fail.


(adrian, timisoara,romania, 4 February 2012 11:56)

If Greece is a fake economy what is Romania then? The largest Romanian export is people.From Spain to Italy and Greece thousands of Romanians are employed either legally or illegally in menial jobs or seeking employment.This is why Basescu has been trying his hardest to have Romania included in the Schengen scheme so Romanian workers can move legally to the Northren EU countries which had their borders closed to them.

Despite the huge remmitances sent from workers back home Romania still had three IMF loans in the last five years and is still under its supervision.So there is nothing to brag about but then again I wouldn't expect someone from Romania whose country was a Nazi ally to show solidarity to Greeks who were one of the first countries that lifted all restrictions for Romanian workers.

(Leonidas, 3 February 2012 23:37)

Do us all a favor, make up your mind: You can't have both; playing the proud Greek and begging Germany at the same time for more money doesn't go together.

And if the EU should really go down, what do think will happen to Greece? Do you think any country will borrow you a single Cent?

"As usual your racist uneducated comments are not dictated by any knowledge but by a grudge you seem to have against the Greeks.If Greece lied so did Germany and France and so did any other EU country.Get your facts before you open your cake hole.

[link]

The rest of your garbage ain't a penny worth answering.
Leonidas"

Garbage is what you post on this forum. I have no ill will against the Greeks. What I find interesting is that a Greek such as yourself has all the answers and does nothing but blame the West for Greece's misfortunes i.e. miscalculations.

Blaming Germany and France doesn't change the fact that Greece cooked their books to get into EU and get all the financial benefits that come with joining.

Again, we're talking about your Greece which defaulted on her debts over 50% of the time in the last 100 years or so. Let me guess. It was the fault of the West every time Greece defaulted. Right?

You think you come across as intelligent by pasting a link that promotes your agenda. It's rubbish. You're judged by the content you post.
And, most of your content is just that. Rubbish.

So, go ahead and blame the West again for all the problems of the world.
BTW, where do you live? I'm sure you don't live in a Western country, now do you?

Translation: We'll keep doing what we're doing, but we'll use prettier words.

(Leonidas, 4 February 2012 19:55)

Lots of words for a short message: Greece is broke and you Greeks should abandon all hopes (and stop blaming everybody else for your failure)

But as long as Macedonia is Greece everything is fine, isn't it?

"The EU must die. There is no way that all the members will ever have an equal voice in this conglomerate. Germany, because of its size and economics, will always be the big boy on the block in the EU. The rest will feel like little brothers."
(PapaJohn, 3 February 2012 18:21)

You are right, the member states don't have a fair and equal voice. Funnily, it's quite the opposite than you claim: Smaller countries have (relatively, i.e. representatives per capita) much more seats, i.e. more influence in the EU parliament than the bigger countries.

For example:
Germany (about 80Mio) has 96 seats
Hungary (about 10Mio) has 22 seats
Slovenia (about 2 Mio) has 8 seats.

If Slovenes would be represented like Germans in the EU parliament, they only had 2-3 seats, or Germany had 320 seats, respectively. As we can see: The big countries are the ones who don't have the influence they would deserve - but that's exactly a decision that was made not to let the 'big boys' have too much power.

Germany followed for many years a policy of sinking wages and other measures to increase its competitiveness versus the other EU members. The result was and is a huge trade surplus. For a long time this wasn't noticed because the Germans generously lent money to the rest of the EU. But at some point the system broke down and the Germans started to ask the rest of the EU to pay up. But where they ask the rest of the EU to increase their competitiveness they at the same time keep increasing theirs so that the rest of the EU is running just to stand still.

Germany should either follow an expansive monetary policy or leave the euro zone.