Experts offer opposing views on Srebrenica

The truth is that God put the bones into mass graves for Serbs to test their faith.
(Danilo, 2 February 2012 16:04)
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BTW, did you know a grave with 3 bodies is considered a mass grave? The world is full of mass graves. What about mass graves with Serbians in them? Why were they never reported?

Unfortunately balance in the west has been thrown out the window along with accountability. That's why they are starting wars around the world and giving themselves and their partners in crime immunity. I know you support them.

what is it with some serb 'experts' constantly constantly brining up WW2? yes what the nazi's did was genocide, no doubt about it. Srebrenica was genocide, no doubt about it. history has decreed it such, international law has decreed it such. the systematic murder of around 8000 non-combatants deservers to be called genocide. you should follow the example of germany, who have come a long day to dealing with its unpleasant past. they have made holocaust denials a crime, time for Serbia to do the same with regards to Srebrenica. seriously, it can't all be conspiracy theories all the time.

Sonja Biserko is an 'expert'? And what exactly akes her an expert, just because her NGO is funded by the US, and she is paid by our enemies to spit on Serbia? She's a nobody, just like her friends Natasa Kandic and Cedo Jovanovic. They are all members of the fifth column, but are well paid nobodys who couldn't hold any other job otherwise.
It's amazing to me that they can completely ignore Jasenovac and Operation Storm, which are undisputed cases of REAL genocide, and only talk about the revenge killings in Srebrenica and refer to it in this way. This hypocrisy just exposes them for who they are, very well paid traitors.

The number of voices to enlighten Serbian public about the truth of RS is increasing day by day. The RS has got no long future and will end up in shame and disgust. As more people come to public (esp politicians, artist writers etc) to show the disgust for the genocide creation called "RS" reasonable people in Serbia will start to think twice what to do with it. The end result is likely TOTAL abolishing that political creation and asking for applogies.

Recently (see below)3 important figures gave a thumb down to RS by expressing displeasure that was formed, and will play a crucial role to educate and inform the Serbs about the recent history.

1. Andrei Nikolaidis stated in his article "about the fact that the RS was made on genocide" read link http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=01&dd=17&nav_id=78324

2. Cedomir Jovanović during the debate yesterday stated that RS had been created on genocide and was a part of his "concern for his own country". read http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=01&nav_id=78573

3.Sonia Biserko said today "The RS was created on crimes and genocide” read http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=02&nav_id=78593

....VERY LIKELY MANY, MANY more to come

i'm considering the official census reports of sarajevo fro, 1991 and 2002. in 1991 serb population of sarajevo was ~150000. in 2002 serb population of sarajevo was ~45000. it would seem that roughly 2/3 of the serbia population of sarajevo vanished into thin air. rs was founded on genocide then fed was founded on ethnic cleansing (in the least).
or (this is where the power of logic and deduction helps) the people of bosnia moved to the fed or rs according to their own demographics en masse.
if the whole of bih is considered, the demographic make up is pretty much the same as pre war. so the only conclusion is that migrations occured. rs and fed are built on blood.
(sumbudy, 2 February 2012 20:06) Another naysayer this is what happened in Sarajevo. The only one ethnic cleansed Serbs in Sarajevo is the Serbs and their wicked criminal leadership http://www.nytimes.com/specials/bosnia/context/0223yugo-bosnia.html by spreading lies and fear promising a Serb ethnic pure paradise.

What on Earth does Kosovo have to do with Srebrenica? Do you now want to talk about scales? ONE human life is too much to lose, but since you brought it up, go ahead and tell me when did Albanians murderer 8000 Serbs in Kosovo in the space of 3 days? You don't know what you're talking about.

The Srebrenica “massacre” story is so thin it can’t stand up even to the most modest scrutiny.

Here are some facts you will not hear on the BBC or CNN.

Srebrenica’s pensioners, women and children were all evacuated by the Red Cross.

Srebrenica’s men dived themselves into two groups.

Group 1 remained in the town and were arrested, pending investigation of their role in war crimes against Serbs. These men, almost without exception were swapped for Serbians held by the Sarajevo Islamists.

The 2nd Group of Srebrenica men did not surrender. Instead, this heavily armed column of 20,000 men fought their way through Serbian lines and marched to Tuzla. During this “breakout” they overran many Serbian positions killing about 600 Serbian soldiers. During these battles many Moslems also perished.

The precise number of Srebrenica’s Moslem soldiers killed in the breakout is not known, but judging by the number of remains found, they would number about 3,000.

Were any of these 3,000 executed? It is impossible to say, but the vast majority would certainly have been killed by machine-gun fire and grenades as they battled to reach Tuzla.

"but judging by the number of remains found, they would number about 3,000. "

ICMP worked for 13 years identifying bodies with DNA, having identified 6,598 positively and differentiated an additional 2000 from the mess of bones.

Of course, that work takes a lot more time then some internet warrior saying "It didn't happen, it was just [insert whatever number you like]
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They found the bones, Michael

Without a list of these 8000 how do you know the truth?
(???, 2 February 2012 17:10)

Simply visit the Potocari memorial, and you can read the names of more than 5000 victims who are buried so far on the tombstones/name wall. Or check their website, there are some 100s of names listed every year when the remainders of newly identified victims are buried.

What I'd like to know is how can the massacre of a few thousand soldiers as revenge for massacring local Serbian women and children, be considered a genocide. In that case, so is the US sponsored massacre of several thousand Afghani troops in dasht-i-leili.

If you read the UN (Netherlands) Srebrenica report, you will see it was a set up. Clinton told Izetbegovic that the US could not intervene unless 5000 Muslims were killed. They knew there would be a bloodbath if Srebrenica fell due to Oric and his cowards killing women and children in surrounding Serbian villages on days like Serbian Christmas and other religious holidays. Srebrenica was abandoned by Oric while the remaining soldiers were ordered not to follow due to the mines around the area.

You see, Oric and his cowards were attaching Serbs from what was supposed to be a demilitarised UN safe haven. That's why the Dutch government took responsibility as Dutchbat turned a blind eye to what Oric was up to.

This is all clear to anyone who studied the event surrounding Srebrenica. The truth will surface sooner or later. It is well known that Bosnian Muslims sacrificed their own people to get sympathy.

(???, 2 February 2012 14:52)

Watch "Srbrenica 2" on you tube and enlighten yourself please. See how kids 12, 13, 14 yrs olds kids with hands tied are being shot behind...

If you didn't understand what genocide mean this video should educate you....hopefully...if NOT you have serious problem with ethics of morality and should visit a doctor.

It's not treason to tell your fellow countrymen uncomfortable truths.

On the contrary, it's very patriotic.
(Danilo, 2 February 2012 16:10)

Are you trying to call yourself and your NGO friends 'patriots' now? LOL
That's rich. I'll tell you what is treason. Treason is when you are paid by the very war criminals who bombed, sanctioned, and smeared Serbia for years, and then you take their money and repeat their lies and propoganda non-stop, just so you can keep receiving that pay cheque. Ceda Jovanovic, Sonja Biserko, and Natasa Kandic fall into this category. Telling the trugh about these people, and exposing them for the traitors that they are, now THAT'S patriotism.
Cheers!!

Also, I have not failed to notice that the links you provided me with, are from a pro-Serb website i.e. not impartial. since you're so ready dismiss Srebrenica, an event that been universally acknowledged as a genocide, i will dismiss this source as unreliable and biased. give me names from say Ambnesty International, followed with news reports of events etc. do not give me a Serbian website. same for Bosnia

Have we got two new contestants for a titanic duel in which neither presents a complete picture and viewpoints are further polarised?

Why can't we have more honesty injected into such debates? Isn't the truth that most states have been founded either upon genocide or ethnic cleansing? (Please anybody that disagrees with me, point out why my belief is wrong)

If that is true then isn't it necessary to debate the entire system of the establishment of nation states, as well as that of Republika Sprska? At the same time, if we are principled we must consider this in regard to the establishment of Croatia and its ethnic cleansing of Serbs. This is not to say that war crimes should be absolved, they should most certainly not be. However, if most countries are founded upon genocide or ethnic cleansing, that alone is not a good enough reason to prevent a country / entity being formed???

Its not an easy question, but its a natural starting point to any discussion of this sort. The problem is that simple minds won't be very pleased to have to consider such questions. They would rather argue about numbers, or point fingers.

(???, 2 February 2012


now give me the news reports (photos, forensics all the rest) that support your claims; that those people on that list are not propaganda and were in fact murdered by Kosovars & Bonsinas. you seem to like technicalaties, so we'll take it all the way

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sadly i do not know how to add a link on B92. however, go to wikipedia, go to ANY news website (not the nutty conspiracy ones), go visit the war museum in London, read the history of Yugoslavia that is not written by a Serb, Croat, Albanian, Bosnian, ALL of them and i do mean ALL of them, will assert the number killed is 8000. read John Simpsons biography, Martin Bells account, Colonel Bob Stewart account and many other transparent sources ad you will see. however, if you stick to the conspiracy section, i am sure you can read that WW2 was nothing other than a fictional fantasy if you really wanted to

That's rich, Zoran.

The Bosniaks killed themselves in order to make the Serbs look bad?

Don't be ridiculous. The truth is that God put the bones into mass graves for Serbs to test their faith.

"very well paid traitors"

It's not treason to tell your fellow countrymen uncomfortable truths.

On the contrary, it's very patriotic.

@Nikolie-what happened to all the Serbs in Croatia, Sarajevo and Kosovo? Yes, Serbs will always complain until atrocities committed on them in last 70 years are recognized by the world and those who are responsible are punished. While everything is blown out of proportion, by design, other peoples crimes in former Yugo are also hidden by design. So you see, not only Germans committed crimes against Serbs, Croats were willing participants and never punished. Actually, they were rewarded.

what is it with some serb 'experts' constantly constantly brining up WW2? yes what the nazi's did was genocide, no doubt about it. Srebrenica was genocide, no doubt about it. history has decreed it such, international law has decreed it such. the systematic murder of around 8000 non-combatants deservers to be called genocide. you should follow the example of germany, who have come a long day to dealing with its unpleasant past. they have made holocaust denials a crime, time for Serbia to do the same with regards to Srebrenica. seriously, it can't all be conspiracy theories all the time.
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 13:40)

around 8000 non combatants? Surely there must be a website listing the names of almost all these 8000 non combatants right? please provide me with such websites/articles/etc that lists these close to 8000 non combatants.

-13 and -2 on my comments? Why? The albos/croats/muslims/danilo keep telling us Serbs we must face the truth. Is me not asking for names and role in the muslim army a way of learning the truth? How are we suppose to face the truth when the number 8000 keeps being mentioned yet there is no background information on these 8000? Are you albos/croats/muslims/danilo saying you know the truth because you can say that 8000 were killed? Without a list of these 8000 how do you know the truth?

Bob I take offence you saying Belgrade is more fun then Zagreb no way Hose. Just compare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZTPP7gZv8&feature=related same couple in Zagreb and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUQXvfwrZig&feature=related Belgrade and their you have it Zagreb the most fun place even a cemetery more fun.

???, 2 February 2012 16:29

that is a really interesting thin that you want. read those sources and you will see. however, since you're intent on playing this game, give me the names of all those Serbs murdered by Bosnian forces, their place of birth, place of death, etc...you can't. while we're at it, give me the names of all 1000 Serbs murdered in Kosovo these past 10 years, their place of birth, death, age etc...you can't

Yes

Croatia was born out of fascism and genocide. So was RS.

Sadly, in both cases, the lives of the other side were held in low disregard.

History frowns still on the Germans because of what happened with the Nazis.

Likewise the world still frowns on RS and Serbia because of Milosevic.

What I do not understand is how Croatia has been able to escape the approbation that it clearly deserves. I personally do not think it has had to face up to the past enough to justify letting it into the EU.

However (for an example) my (personal) German friends are anti-nazi, anti-racist, pro-democracy, anti-nuclear, anti-Iraq, etc., - there is no good reason to tarnish the reputation of the young with the behaviour of nasty nationalist murderers or mafiosi politicians.

Belgrade is actually a fun place to be - lot of young people enjoying themselves even with visitors from Croatia who come for a party because it is more fun than Zargreb. Young people in the other regions all have lives to live and although born out of previous history do not necessaryily have to be seen part of it.

For all the peoples of the area, it is a case of let's escape to the future. The past was not a good place to be.

this article should be entitled "sonia biserko" breaks thru the iron curtain... of their media!" anyway, i guess it's about once every 2 years? the last time was when she left the country to testify in the free west...

i am of mixed minds re this "opening up" of the genocide question. on the one hand, we all know that serbian forces committed genocide throughout ex yugoslavia -- srebrenica was merely the apex, but what an apex. i will not get down to their level about "name em!!" but merely ask/demand about when belgd intends to start paying the reparations...

on the other hand, at least this is coming up for public debate, instead of being left to smolder. there are still so many cover-ups of the truth that the belgrade regime sits on -- and jeremic is being discussed for unga president. whose horrible joke is that?

thank god for ppl like cedi and sonia. as for do-dik and co., i believe he will eventually get his just desserts...

ciao. roberto frisco

Bisecro and Cedovic are on US payroll and were meeting with US officials and getting funding at the same time NATO was bombing Serbia back to stone age.. They have to spout the same NATO line..

But here is the truth about Srebrenica..

naser Oric and his terror gangs slaughtered around 3-4 thousands serbs around Srebrenica and other cities.. UN troops did NOTHING to stop him

Mladic finally said enough is enough and bombed Srebrenica killed about 2,000 people, mostly Bosnian Muslim fighters.. UN troops did nothing to stop him

So in effect the UN was enouraging war.

That's the truth.. Of course the NATO propaganda media blamed all the deaths on the Serbs and of curse that served it's mission to invade on "humanatarain" reasons..

Basically the same propaganda they used against Ghadaffi and are now accusing assad of the same thing even though it's obvious that are western/saudi backed death squads doing the killing inside Syria.

Roberto,

Sorry I missed your call before. I was watching more home movies of my boys killing Serb civilians. Call you back this weekend, k?

We still on for Sunday?

XOXO

Naser

People are not monsters.

Serbs are not monsters.

If one starts opening the light of truth in Serbia, Serbs will start facing the reality and the horrible crimes that were made in their name. Germans did. Why not Serbs?

This debate and the language that Cedomir Jovanovic is using is very brave and honest. This is the only way for reconciliation in Balkans.

You cannot siege Sarajevo for 3 years, order your snipers to shoot at children and women that are going to take some water, kill 8,000 people in Srebrenica and equalize that with the murder of ‘Srpski svat’ in Sarajevo as Dodik was doing during the dabte. Expose more frequently these ignorant to the Serbian opinion and they will get the deserved answer from Serbs themselves. Then I want to see if radicals and their policies will be again the largest political party in Serbia. No one is happy to hear that such horrible crimes were done in their name. But you the media in Serbia you are covering them up.

The main obstacles for the peace in Balkans are the politicians, and mainly the Serbian, who control the media and ban them from speaking about the crimes done in their name. My compliments to Jovanovic and B92 for organizing that debate and encourage you to open this painful topic for an honest and more frequent discussion in your society. Germans are speaking for the crimes done in their name for 60 years now. My congratulations to Dodik as well, for the fact that he accepted the TV confrontation and exposed his mediocre level resulting from the fact that he was defending the un-defendable- the monstrous crimes done in the name of his people.

I think you Serbs should address this question to which I can only guess the answer: how did you Serbs manage to turn a completely legitimate and human right to secede from Bosnia to turn it up in genocide and massacre??? My guess is that your elite is extremely greedy and needed as much as possible good quality land thus was massacring and cleansing ethnically the lands they wanted. But this is just my guess and rational attempt for explaining it. The moral weight of the question still remains intact am afraid. And you should debate that.

sadly i do not know how to add a link on B92. however, go to wikipedia, go to ANY news website (not the nutty conspiracy ones), go visit the war museum in London, read the history of Yugoslavia that is not written by a Serb, Croat, Albanian, Bosnian, ALL of them and i do mean ALL of them, will assert the number killed is 8000. read John Simpsons biography, Martin Bells account, Colonel Bob Stewart account and many other transparent sources ad you will see. however, if you stick to the conspiracy section, i am sure you can read that WW2 was nothing other than a fictional fantasy if you really wanted to
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 15:26)

I want names. I dont want estimates from so and so. I want concrete facts with names, ages, birth city, role in the muslim army, etc. Surely if there is millions of articles and studies and court verdicts etc, then the full list of close to 8000 men must be there too.

If that can not be provided then do not waste my time and stop saying close to 8000 non combatants. Copy and paste your website onto www.tinyurl.com and then paste the result after the conversion in the comments section here. I look forward to seeing this list.

"Mladic finally said enough is enough and bombed Srebrenica killed about 2,000 people, mostly Bosnian Muslim fighters.. UN troops did nothing to stop him"

Ah, now the about victims of Srebrenica died by 'bombing' instead of being deported and slaughtered my Mladic's troops. It's getting more and more funny what people think it's the truth.

What a lot of ignorance still over Srebrenica.

The ICMP deals with all victims over Bosnia. There is one main lab for identification where evidence is taken to be identified, that doesn't make all of the 'victims' from Srebrenica by a long shot and the lab only does identification, not investigation in to how such victims died. These are two entirely separate acts which some people ignorantly tie toghter.

The so-called video execution of a couple of ArBih soldiers was nowhere near 'Srebrenica' and proves nothing in relation to Serbrenica except that a war crime occurred, in a civil war no less.

The head of the Missing Persons organization in Sarajevo has publicly said that the men in Srebrenica were listed as members of ArBiH and certainly not civilians, though using twisted logic claimed they were 'only soldiers in name as it was the only way to get extra benefits from Sarajevo'. A very, very few were not, and almost none below 16 or above 70.

Leaders of the moslem community in Srebrenica have said years ago that they were sacrificed by Sarajevo for military intervention. Bill Clinton also said that a large massacre of thousands of 'bosniaks' would be needed for intervention.

Srebrenica was never demilitarized in line with UN agreements.

Oric and the head officers of the 14th were helicoptered out to Sarajevo before anything happened, leaving the ArBih in Srebrenica without an effective command, which is why its defense 'unexpectedly' collapsed.

A good portion of the 14th who tried to make it to Tuzla were armed. Even video tape footage on television at the time shows this.

8,000 bodies have not been found and the numbers of those found with ligatures and executed (arguable summary justice in the field) is neither anywhere near 8,000, but barely a few hundred.

There's plenty more but it looks as if most people haven't read the quite imperfect NIOD report, nor bothered to look in to any other details offered as evidence by the ICTY, let alone the faulty projects by ICTY expert Dr. Robert Ball.

Nothing but lots of heat and light from you with your quasi-facts that support you specious opinions because you are too lazy to check proper source. Easier to quote old propaganda, no?

The Bosniaks killed themselves in order to make the Serbs look bad?
(Danilo, 2 February 2012 16:04)
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I used the word sacrifice, you changed that to killed. The truth of the matter is that Bosnian Muslims did kill their own at times, like the market bombings in Sarajevo.

However, when it came to Srebrenica, the Bosnian Muslims sacrificed those soldiers to get US interventions, as Clinton promised. You only have to read the Srebrenica report to see it all clearly.

This comes from Bosnian Muslim politician Hakija Meholjic. Check -> http://www.ex-yupress.com/dani/dani2.html

So you rejected Izetbegovic's decision?

We rejected it without any discussion. Then he said: "You know, I was offered by Clinton in April 1993 (after the fall of Cerska and Konjevic Polje) that the Chetnik forces enter Srebrenica, carry out a slaughter of 5,000 Muslims, and then there will be a military intervention.

This comes from another Bosnian Muslim. Check -> http://dobbs.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/11/23/the_real_figures_behind_srebrenica
(reporter): What were the consequences of the attacks staged from the demilitarized zone for the inhabitants of Srebrenica?

Ibran Mustafic: That was a conscious giving of a pretext to the Serb forces to attack the demilitarized zone. Ibran Mustafic: Those individuals who, in the Summer of 1995, without a scratch left Srebrenica (…). It is well known that that team managed to get out and take with along the elderly, children and horses. I can only thank God, that a number of honest people and patriots managed to get out with them. (…) According to our custom when someone finishes the foundations for a house, an animal must be slaughtered on top of them. It seems that Srebrenica was a sacrificial lamb for the foundation of this state.

Looks like there is even a film about it (by Bosnian Muslims). I'll have to watch it myself -> http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/07/srebrenica-town-betrayed

Perhaps it's time you educate yourself. What do you think Danilo? You still have the option of remaining ignorant. It is your choice.

'The sarajevo siege is a FALSE.. Serbs did NOT siege Sarajevo.. Civilians where operating at free will in Serbian controlled areas. '

Sorry but this point is nonsense. My cousin who is originally from Travnik in Bosnia was arrested in Belgrade and forced to fight as part of an artillery team on the hills of Sarajevo. He didn't have free will and he was part of the Bosnian Serb army and as he told me at the time, military commanders and equipment came mostly from the former JNA.

There were also snipers in Sarajevo, nothing mythical about that. Everybody knows it. The snipers by the way should not be defended or denied by the way, their bullets mostly hit many innocent Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslums.

If you are going to lecture Ben about what happened in Bosnia, you must get the basic, provable facts correct.

It is actually foolish to say RS was a genocidal creation. If this is correct, then one could easily say that every country in Latin America was a genocidal creation as what the Spanish soldiers did to the natives of Americas was Genocide. If RS is a genocidal creation then so is the United States, as the US soldiers systematically committed genocide against the Native American People. The list can go on and on. Germany of course by Hitler murdering 6 million Jews in perhaps the grandest act of genocide in the history of human kind, as it is constituted today, can be said to be a creation of genocide. Should I go on? The way I would look at this is that in Srebrenica there was a horrific crime that resulted in the death of 8,000 men and boys. The perpetrators were thankfully punished. The Serb people in Bosnia, however, did not want to live in a separate country from Serbia. So, they elected to form their own republic. Is that genocide? Is it genocide that Americans wanted their own country even if some Americans committed genocide? Of course not. The criminals should be punished and those innocent of crimes should create their own futures.
People should think before they speak.

???, 2 February 2012 16:29

that is a really interesting thin that you want. read those sources and you will see. however, since you're intent on playing this game, give me the names of all those Serbs murdered by Bosnian forces, their place of birth, place of death, etc...you can't. while we're at it, give me the names of all 1000 Serbs murdered in Kosovo these past 10 years, their place of birth, death, age etc...you can't
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 17:04)

and here is a list of Serbs killed in Kosovo

http://www.neobyzantine.org/movement/problems/kosovo/killed_june_dec_1999.php

Try this link if the above does not work.
http://tinyurl.com/877m9wn

> please provide me with such websites/articles/etc
> that lists these close to 8000 non combatants.


http://www.potocarimc.ba/_ba/liste/liste_11072009.php

???, 2 February 2012 16:29

that is a really interesting thin that you want. read those sources and you will see. however, since you're intent on playing this game, give me the names of all those Serbs murdered by Bosnian forces, their place of birth, place of death, etc...you can't. while we're at it, give me the names of all 1000 Serbs murdered in Kosovo these past 10 years, their place of birth, death, age etc...you can't
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 17:04)

Youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKltKaKewg

and here is the same youtube link incase the first one does not work
http://tinyurl.com/7e5o88a

LMFAOO Sonja Biserko is an expert?

bahahaha, in the words of Shawn Carter, also known as Jay-Z "we dont believe you, you need more people"

Daniel..

Serbs did NOT kill 8,000 "children" in Srebrenica.. No serious scholar has ever even claimed that.. Only Western politicans, IZetbegovic, right wing politicans in the balkans dependend on IMF/NATO money to stay where they are.

Read my below post..

Naser Oric is the only one doing the SLAUGHTERING Al Qaeda Style. He butchered Serbian civilians and acttacked on Christmas and other orthodox holy days. Mladic did nothing to stop him for a long time.. The UN did nothing..


Basically Mladic got fed up and found their stronghold in Srebrenica and bomed killed about 2,000 mostly Bosnian Muslim Fighters, and I forgot to mention in my other post, middle eastern jihadists brought there by Izetbegovic/USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrNeZgnj7Y&feature=related you know these guys.. They were the ones SLAUGHTERING Serbs, bosnian muslims who refused to support IZetbegovic, Croatians.. Basically a lot of dead people killed by the jihadists were blamed on the serbs.

Bosnian Muslims voted for Fikret Abdic over Alija IZetbegovic in the elections and yet Izetbegovic and the NATO propaganda managed to brianwahsed muslims into thinking that Abdic was a serbian collaborator when all the democratically elected Abdic did was fight against Izetbegovic terror gangs.

That's the truth and they know it. The just won't admit it

sonia and many others here should consider looking at the bigger picture.
8000 were killed in srebrenica. if these deaths lead to the rs being formed through genocide then i wonder what formula the fed used to form itself. i'm considering the official census reports of sarajevo fro, 1991 and 2002. in 1991 serb population of sarajevo was ~150000. in 2002 serb population of sarajevo was ~45000. it would seem that roughly 2/3 of the serbia population of sarajevo vanished into thin air. or perhaps they were cleansed based upon their ethnicities. if one considers that the bosniak population of sarajevo in 1991 was ~260000 and in 2002 was ~320000 then either there was a mass conversion rate of population, a mass birthrate that doesn't reflect the general region, or a mass transfer of population.
if rs was founded on genocide then fed was founded on ethnic cleansing (in the least).
or (this is where the power of logic and deduction helps) the people of bosnia moved to the fed or rs according to their own demographics en masse.
if the whole of bih is considered, the demographic make up is pretty much the same as pre war. so the only conclusion is that migrations occured. rs and fed are built on blood.

Also, I have not failed to notice that the links you provided me with, are from a pro-Serb website i.e. not impartial. since you're so ready dismiss Srebrenica, an event that been universally acknowledged as a genocide, i will dismiss this source as unreliable and biased. give me names from say Ambnesty International, followed with news reports of events etc. do not give me a Serbian website. same for Bosnia
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 19:24)

Srebrenica was sacrificed by izetbegovic. He was told by NAto that 5000 muslims would be the price for nato involvement. There were Serb and pro Yugoslavia villages being pumbled every nihgt under the cover of darkness by oric and his troops. They had known Mladic would retaliate, and when he did they simply pulled out and sacrificed low level officers and jihadists to mladic, making it look like a massacre. I suppose somebody like you wouldnt know this because you rely on people like geraldo rivera and christian amanpour to manufacture the truth for you. But then again reading your posts, it would definately not surprise me if you worked for the same people they do.

Intention of my comment is to help Zman...Zman arguments are: Srebrenica killing was legal defensive act of serbian forces against Jihadist. Bosnian Muslims are in love with all what happened to them. Zman...I think you are hiding behind the name of radovan karadzic as that is your real name.
You can sell your postwar propaganda to someone who didn't see it and experience it on his own skin, for rest of us is left to quietly spend rest of our lives, disapointed in humanity, in neighbors ,in presence of unversal justice.
Zman , I hope that you'll wake up from your propaganda induced coma, from your education that made you so defensive individual that you slipped in haitred. You believe more in 15 century Serbian mit then in CNN. How I can believe anything that you say? so... go on, keep writing about Srebrenica until that become one more noble and historic win of Serbian army. I don't care-My kids and kids of their kids will know the truth.I wish that Mothers of Serbia never experience what experienced Mother of Srebrenica.

Sonja Biserko

Go and buy a dictionary and look up the word genocide. Even Israeli officials say its not genocide.

Srebrenica is NOT universally recognized as a genocide.. That's pure bull.. Only NATO propagandists.. There have been plenty of genocides commited that dont go recognized per say..

NATO just bombed Libya back to the stone age and according to indepedendet reports, they killed between 50,000 - 100,000.. That's genocide.

NATO leveling Falluyah, and killing god knows how many that's genocide..


NATO bombing factories, Publicly owned corporations, school buses, railroads, infastructure, dropping depleted uranium into the water and using cluster bombs in Serbia in 1999 is a serious war crime and no one payed for it.. Same for Bosnia, they bombed there and slaughtered there at will..

Srebrenica = propaganda tool for NATO and their puppet IZetbegovic for NATO to intervene and finish the damn thing off and get their desired outcome which is a broken up Yugoslavia into a small cluster of republics run by the IMF and a future corporations with crappy standrads of living and monoplies by western corporations..

That's the truth and the sooner we accept that the quicker move in..

Serbs are not blameless.. ARkan and a couple of other thugs killed some people but Mladic is a professional who exercised maximum restraint.. That's just the truth..

How many Muslims did he save when he intervened to help adbic against IZetbegovic??? No one even talks about that..

How many croatians did he save when stopped IZetbegovic from rampagain on the croatian border? No one even talks about that..

If Serbs wanted to kill Muslims why where Muslims allowed to cross the border into Serbia when they were displaced.. You know why not just slaughter all the muslims in Serbia?? IN Sandzak.. NO need to look for them in Bosnia..

(bganon, 3 February 2012 19:49)

why do you even bother answering him?

it's obvious he doesn't need your help, he is in desperate need of professional help, not yours.

I forgot to mention that two of the muslim jhadists from Bosnia who were carrying out the slaughtering in obsnia were on 9/11 hijacked plane and we know how that ended up.

You can find names of a lot of victims especially Serb ones.. More serbs were killed than any other group, even UN admits that it's just not talked about.. Just go to Bosnia today and you'll see the crosses of all the dead buried orthodox serbs.

There were also snipers in Sarajevo, nothing mythical about that. Everybody knows it. The snipers by the way should not be defended or denied by the way, their bullets mostly hit many innocent Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslums.
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You're right bgannon, but did he also tell you that the Muslims had snipers as well?
It was WAR. What don't you get about a war? All sides fight with whatever they have at their disposal. Yes, wars a brutal and unfair and people get killed. Everyone hates wars but when they happen people fight for their very lives.
I don't mean to minimize or excuse anyone but if you are going to quote your cousin you should also ask him if the Muslims had snipers too and how they fought. I'm sure that your cousin wasn't the only one who hated fighting but the others had to as well. If everyone waited till they were arrested to fight Serbs would've perished.

Stop being a lame loser :)


(Balkan Anthropologist, 3 February 2012 00:56) Balkan Anthropologist some one is calling you a loser and signing your name the Balkan Anthropologist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo . Weird and he wants to know if I have been to Beograd. I'll answer him you try to figure out who that loser is. Yes I have been to Beograd a few times ,any luck Balkan Anthropologist?

Bob I take offence you saying Belgrade is more fun then Zagreb no way Hose. Just compare [link] same couple in Zagreb and [link] Belgrade and their you have it Zagreb the most fun place even a cemetery more fun.
(Lenard, 2 February 2012 18:02)

LOL Zagreb is boring compared with Belgrade. Have you even been there? Knowing you, your head would spontaneously explode if it did. Stop being a lame loser :)

Oh yeah, and about the topic: who ever said Beserko is an expert in anything? All she ever does is whine and complain. No one takes her seriously in Serbia either. She gets about as much publicity as Ceda saying idiotic things for the cameras. No wonder frisco likes her.

please provide me with such websites/articles/etc
> that lists these close to 8000 non combatants.
[link]
(Jovan R, 3 February 2012 00:12)

Bravo Jovan! This is evidence(sad one),not those of Del Ponte.

BEN You are spouting the same propaganda NATO used to intervene against Yugoslavia.. You have no clue what really happened.. Let me educate your once and for all..

First of all let's adress Cedomir Jovanovic.. He is a liar and paid propagandist.. He has been on US/British/German payroll since the early 90s.. His job was to work with the US officials to overthrow Milosevic anyway and everyway.. He is a George Soros funded schill. IF you lived in Serbia you would know that.. He is a member of the optor movement which was a CIA minupulated movement to overthrow milosevic in the early 90s. HE gets his money from the National endowment for democracy, freedom house and the US congress. His job is to repeat the NATO line aobut what happened in Yugoslavia.. Using him as a source would be like using Nazi collaborators and propagandists as the judge and jury in the nuremberg trials.. He was actively receiving money from those organizations listed above at the same time the US was bombing Serbia back to the stone age.. He NEVER condemnded the bombing..

The sarajevo siege is a FALSE.. Serbs did NOT siege Sarajevo.. Civilians where operating at free will in Serbian controlled areas.

It's Izetbegovic who had internal siege who refused to allow civilians to move in and out.. HE gave an interview to a French TV in which is specifically said that if he let civilians out that there would be nothing stoping the Serbian army from destroying him. IN effect he is admitting that the Serbian army was exercising restraint.

And the so called sniping is a myth.. The market bombing that was blamed on the Serbs was done by muslims.. They killed thier own people because they knew it would be blamed on the Serbs, the side NATO was fighting against. But too bad for them it was leaked on French TV again and US/British officials who worked in the area said it was a muslim bomb. Read David Owen's books who was one of the negoitators. That will explain some things in which he admits liars against the Serbs.

Like I told you in my first post. NAser Oric( a US backed Muslim mercenary) attacked and slaiughtered some 3-4 thousands people mostly Serbs and some muslims.. The UN did nothing to stop him.. Srebrenica was suppose to be a no weapons zone and yet arms were being smuggled to middles easter jihadists/bosnian muslims fighters as they were carrying out their massacres.

Mladic went on the offensive and bombed their strongholds in Srebrenica and killed about 2,000, mostly jihadists and Bosnian Muslim fighters.

It's not to say that Serbs were blameless because Arkan and some other ireggualar Serbian thugs killed civilians altough ironicaly they targeted mostly Croats and not even Muslims.

You have to remember that there were Bosnian Muslims(followers of Fikret Abdic who defeated IZetbegovic in the elections) who fought with Mladic early on against IZetbegovic.. Izetbegovic is NOT popular among Bosnian Muslims(never won a single election), Mladic and Karadzic WERE among Serbs..

Ok Let's talk about the biggest criminals in the wars.. The western leaders who unleashed a massive bombardment on mostly Serbian territoires in Krajina, Bosnia and Serbia.. Why dont' you talk about that?? They killed thousands, injured thousands more and destroyed the nessecary life support infastructure..

Once again.. Educate yourself with the truth and not the NATO/Joseph Grobells propaganda you are getting where you are..

besides no serious scholar ever claims there was a genocidein Srebrenica but of course we are suppose to listen to current puppet goverments in balkans and their master in the US/UK as our sources of the truth even though all the evidence is contradicting.

so if i understand yor assertion correctly lenard, you claim that the serbs ethnically cleansed themselves from sarajevo? do you also then believe that the bosniaks killed their own people too? am i do understand that when faced with crtedible facts and figures (from the official census of bosnia) your only logical retort is some conspriratorial explanation, reaching deeper and deeper into the unbelievable?
next you'll be suggesting that 6 million jews not only willingly walked into gas chambers, but that it was a used as a strategic catalyst to put them back in favour with the world.
for that matter, i wonder why you cry day in day out about your croatian compatriots in bosnia that were ethnically cleansed, as it is obvious that they did it to themselves.
i've got two words for you:
pa-lease....

The Bosnian Muslim army were ordered by their Brigade Commanders and the UN to desert their dug-in defensive positions "all around" Srebrenica the day before the so-called "fall".

This is told by the soldiers themselves. They all had to gather in the north of the city and they left in shifts starting that evening.

The numbers of men leaving on foot has been estimated between 15,000 - 18,000.

Meanwhile, for days previous the UN has ordered the women and children to Potocari and threatened them not to return to their homes.

The city was all set up for evacuation and there wasn't really any fighting or battles going on.

When the Serbs arrived into the cities the men were all clear of it and had a large trek to Tuzla. Most all of them made it.

Only a few hundred Serbian soldiers actually entered into the city and the UN told them to bus them to Tuzla airport. The Serbs sent civilian bus drivers and the UN escorted the buses.

There are no pictures or medical reports of any injuries to the women and children arriving to Tuzla. There's no scratch on them for all the stories.

Srebrenica is a media-driven propaganda. They search for dead far outside of Srebrenica, including many Serbian villages where Naser Oric and the 28th Brigade carried out attacks and massacres.

Cry as much you want:
Republika Srpska is created,it is internationally recognized and it is only a matter of thime when our brothers from the other side of the Drina will join Serbia ,the West will sooner or later give us the green light!
As for this clown Lenard: Just try to attack Bosnian Serbs,this time you wont have 1,3 million Bosnians Serbs against 4,5 millio Croats but 9-10 million Serbs against 4,5 million Croats!

GeorgeBush, It's nonsense.. The Serbs did NOT snipe, that's a hoax even the UN never claimed that one..

I see you did NOT dispute the market massares which were carried out by IZetbegovic thugs and blamed on serbs..

I see you did not dispute the fact that IZetgegovic SLAUGHTERED thousands of Muslim supporters of Fikret Abdic, you know the man that has a lot more support among Bosnian Muslims than Izetbegovic who fought with the Serbs against Izetbeogivic's terror gangs..

Are you going to ignore the fact that Izetbegovic himself admitted to holding civilians hostage in Sarajevo because according to him, it would mean the Serbian army could destroy him. Isn't that the ultimate admission that the Serbian army was exercising restraint?? Why did Izetbegovic not allow cvilian to come out muslim held areas when the Serbian leadership asked him to??? ahahah plz anaswer that.. Why is Sarajevo been ehnically cleansed of all Serbs??

I'm not spouting anyone's propaganda I was there, I think it's you who is either too heavily influenced by the western corporate media or something like that..

Why do you ingore the testimony of UN solders who said Muslims were killing their own because they knew it would be blamed on the Serbs and this induce a NATO intervention?? Are all those UN soldiers lying??

With a name like George Bush.. Plz..

"People are not monsters.

Serbs are not monsters.

If one starts opening the light of truth in Serbia, Serbs will start facing the reality and the horrible crimes that were made in their name. Germans did. Why not Serbs? "

IMHO the main difference is that Germany invaded someone else's countries, while Serbs fought over disputable territories.

...and people ARE monsters.

Sonja Biserko is an 'expert'? And what exactly akes her an expert, just because her NGO is funded by the US, and she is paid by our enemies to spit on Serbia? She's a nobody, just like her friends Natasa Kandic and Cedo Jovanovic. They are all members of the fifth column, but are well paid nobodys who couldn't hold any other job otherwise.
It's amazing to me that they can completely ignore Jasenovac and Operation Storm, which are undisputed cases of REAL genocide, and only talk about the revenge killings in Srebrenica and refer to it in this way. This hypocrisy just exposes them for who they are, very well paid traitors.

@Nikolie-what happened to all the Serbs in Croatia, Sarajevo and Kosovo? Yes, Serbs will always complain until atrocities committed on them in last 70 years are recognized by the world and those who are responsible are punished. While everything is blown out of proportion, by design, other peoples crimes in former Yugo are also hidden by design. So you see, not only Germans committed crimes against Serbs, Croats were willing participants and never punished. Actually, they were rewarded.

what is it with some serb 'experts' constantly constantly brining up WW2? yes what the nazi's did was genocide, no doubt about it. Srebrenica was genocide, no doubt about it. history has decreed it such, international law has decreed it such. the systematic murder of around 8000 non-combatants deservers to be called genocide. you should follow the example of germany, who have come a long day to dealing with its unpleasant past. they have made holocaust denials a crime, time for Serbia to do the same with regards to Srebrenica. seriously, it can't all be conspiracy theories all the time.

what is it with some serb 'experts' constantly constantly brining up WW2? yes what the nazi's did was genocide, no doubt about it. Srebrenica was genocide, no doubt about it. history has decreed it such, international law has decreed it such. the systematic murder of around 8000 non-combatants deservers to be called genocide. you should follow the example of germany, who have come a long day to dealing with its unpleasant past. they have made holocaust denials a crime, time for Serbia to do the same with regards to Srebrenica. seriously, it can't all be conspiracy theories all the time.
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 13:40)

around 8000 non combatants? Surely there must be a website listing the names of almost all these 8000 non combatants right? please provide me with such websites/articles/etc that lists these close to 8000 non combatants.

Yes

Croatia was born out of fascism and genocide. So was RS.

Sadly, in both cases, the lives of the other side were held in low disregard.

History frowns still on the Germans because of what happened with the Nazis.

Likewise the world still frowns on RS and Serbia because of Milosevic.

What I do not understand is how Croatia has been able to escape the approbation that it clearly deserves. I personally do not think it has had to face up to the past enough to justify letting it into the EU.

However (for an example) my (personal) German friends are anti-nazi, anti-racist, pro-democracy, anti-nuclear, anti-Iraq, etc., - there is no good reason to tarnish the reputation of the young with the behaviour of nasty nationalist murderers or mafiosi politicians.

Belgrade is actually a fun place to be - lot of young people enjoying themselves even with visitors from Croatia who come for a party because it is more fun than Zargreb. Young people in the other regions all have lives to live and although born out of previous history do not necessaryily have to be seen part of it.

For all the peoples of the area, it is a case of let's escape to the future. The past was not a good place to be.

The number of voices to enlighten Serbian public about the truth of RS is increasing day by day. The RS has got no long future and will end up in shame and disgust. As more people come to public (esp politicians, artist writers etc) to show the disgust for the genocide creation called "RS" reasonable people in Serbia will start to think twice what to do with it. The end result is likely TOTAL abolishing that political creation and asking for applogies.

Recently (see below)3 important figures gave a thumb down to RS by expressing displeasure that was formed, and will play a crucial role to educate and inform the Serbs about the recent history.

1. Andrei Nikolaidis stated in his article "about the fact that the RS was made on genocide" read link http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=01&dd=17&nav_id=78324

2. Cedomir Jovanović during the debate yesterday stated that RS had been created on genocide and was a part of his "concern for his own country". read http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=01&nav_id=78573

3.Sonia Biserko said today "The RS was created on crimes and genocide” read http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=02&nav_id=78593

....VERY LIKELY MANY, MANY more to come

The Srebrenica “massacre” story is so thin it can’t stand up even to the most modest scrutiny.

Here are some facts you will not hear on the BBC or CNN.

Srebrenica’s pensioners, women and children were all evacuated by the Red Cross.

Srebrenica’s men dived themselves into two groups.

Group 1 remained in the town and were arrested, pending investigation of their role in war crimes against Serbs. These men, almost without exception were swapped for Serbians held by the Sarajevo Islamists.

The 2nd Group of Srebrenica men did not surrender. Instead, this heavily armed column of 20,000 men fought their way through Serbian lines and marched to Tuzla. During this “breakout” they overran many Serbian positions killing about 600 Serbian soldiers. During these battles many Moslems also perished.

The precise number of Srebrenica’s Moslem soldiers killed in the breakout is not known, but judging by the number of remains found, they would number about 3,000.

Were any of these 3,000 executed? It is impossible to say, but the vast majority would certainly have been killed by machine-gun fire and grenades as they battled to reach Tuzla.

this article should be entitled "sonia biserko" breaks thru the iron curtain... of their media!" anyway, i guess it's about once every 2 years? the last time was when she left the country to testify in the free west...

i am of mixed minds re this "opening up" of the genocide question. on the one hand, we all know that serbian forces committed genocide throughout ex yugoslavia -- srebrenica was merely the apex, but what an apex. i will not get down to their level about "name em!!" but merely ask/demand about when belgd intends to start paying the reparations...

on the other hand, at least this is coming up for public debate, instead of being left to smolder. there are still so many cover-ups of the truth that the belgrade regime sits on -- and jeremic is being discussed for unga president. whose horrible joke is that?

thank god for ppl like cedi and sonia. as for do-dik and co., i believe he will eventually get his just desserts...

ciao. roberto frisco

I forgot to mention that two of the muslim jhadists from Bosnia who were carrying out the slaughtering in obsnia were on 9/11 hijacked plane and we know how that ended up.

sonia and many others here should consider looking at the bigger picture.
8000 were killed in srebrenica. if these deaths lead to the rs being formed through genocide then i wonder what formula the fed used to form itself. i'm considering the official census reports of sarajevo fro, 1991 and 2002. in 1991 serb population of sarajevo was ~150000. in 2002 serb population of sarajevo was ~45000. it would seem that roughly 2/3 of the serbia population of sarajevo vanished into thin air. or perhaps they were cleansed based upon their ethnicities. if one considers that the bosniak population of sarajevo in 1991 was ~260000 and in 2002 was ~320000 then either there was a mass conversion rate of population, a mass birthrate that doesn't reflect the general region, or a mass transfer of population.
if rs was founded on genocide then fed was founded on ethnic cleansing (in the least).
or (this is where the power of logic and deduction helps) the people of bosnia moved to the fed or rs according to their own demographics en masse.
if the whole of bih is considered, the demographic make up is pretty much the same as pre war. so the only conclusion is that migrations occured. rs and fed are built on blood.

Daniel..

Serbs did NOT kill 8,000 "children" in Srebrenica.. No serious scholar has ever even claimed that.. Only Western politicans, IZetbegovic, right wing politicans in the balkans dependend on IMF/NATO money to stay where they are.

Read my below post..

Naser Oric is the only one doing the SLAUGHTERING Al Qaeda Style. He butchered Serbian civilians and acttacked on Christmas and other orthodox holy days. Mladic did nothing to stop him for a long time.. The UN did nothing..


Basically Mladic got fed up and found their stronghold in Srebrenica and bomed killed about 2,000 mostly Bosnian Muslim Fighters, and I forgot to mention in my other post, middle eastern jihadists brought there by Izetbegovic/USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrNeZgnj7Y&feature=related you know these guys.. They were the ones SLAUGHTERING Serbs, bosnian muslims who refused to support IZetbegovic, Croatians.. Basically a lot of dead people killed by the jihadists were blamed on the serbs.

Bosnian Muslims voted for Fikret Abdic over Alija IZetbegovic in the elections and yet Izetbegovic and the NATO propaganda managed to brianwahsed muslims into thinking that Abdic was a serbian collaborator when all the democratically elected Abdic did was fight against Izetbegovic terror gangs.

That's the truth and they know it. The just won't admit it

What I'd like to know is how can the massacre of a few thousand soldiers as revenge for massacring local Serbian women and children, be considered a genocide. In that case, so is the US sponsored massacre of several thousand Afghani troops in dasht-i-leili.

If you read the UN (Netherlands) Srebrenica report, you will see it was a set up. Clinton told Izetbegovic that the US could not intervene unless 5000 Muslims were killed. They knew there would be a bloodbath if Srebrenica fell due to Oric and his cowards killing women and children in surrounding Serbian villages on days like Serbian Christmas and other religious holidays. Srebrenica was abandoned by Oric while the remaining soldiers were ordered not to follow due to the mines around the area.

You see, Oric and his cowards were attaching Serbs from what was supposed to be a demilitarised UN safe haven. That's why the Dutch government took responsibility as Dutchbat turned a blind eye to what Oric was up to.

This is all clear to anyone who studied the event surrounding Srebrenica. The truth will surface sooner or later. It is well known that Bosnian Muslims sacrificed their own people to get sympathy.

???, 2 February 2012 16:29

that is a really interesting thin that you want. read those sources and you will see. however, since you're intent on playing this game, give me the names of all those Serbs murdered by Bosnian forces, their place of birth, place of death, etc...you can't. while we're at it, give me the names of all 1000 Serbs murdered in Kosovo these past 10 years, their place of birth, death, age etc...you can't
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 17:04)

Youtube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgKltKaKewg

and here is the same youtube link incase the first one does not work
http://tinyurl.com/7e5o88a

???, 2 February 2012 16:29

that is a really interesting thin that you want. read those sources and you will see. however, since you're intent on playing this game, give me the names of all those Serbs murdered by Bosnian forces, their place of birth, place of death, etc...you can't. while we're at it, give me the names of all 1000 Serbs murdered in Kosovo these past 10 years, their place of birth, death, age etc...you can't
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 17:04)

and here is a list of Serbs killed in Kosovo

http://www.neobyzantine.org/movement/problems/kosovo/killed_june_dec_1999.php

Try this link if the above does not work.
http://tinyurl.com/877m9wn

The truth is that God put the bones into mass graves for Serbs to test their faith.
(Danilo, 2 February 2012 16:04)
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BTW, did you know a grave with 3 bodies is considered a mass grave? The world is full of mass graves. What about mass graves with Serbians in them? Why were they never reported?

Unfortunately balance in the west has been thrown out the window along with accountability. That's why they are starting wars around the world and giving themselves and their partners in crime immunity. I know you support them.

You can find names of a lot of victims especially Serb ones.. More serbs were killed than any other group, even UN admits that it's just not talked about.. Just go to Bosnia today and you'll see the crosses of all the dead buried orthodox serbs.

Also, I have not failed to notice that the links you provided me with, are from a pro-Serb website i.e. not impartial. since you're so ready dismiss Srebrenica, an event that been universally acknowledged as a genocide, i will dismiss this source as unreliable and biased. give me names from say Ambnesty International, followed with news reports of events etc. do not give me a Serbian website. same for Bosnia
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 19:24)

Srebrenica was sacrificed by izetbegovic. He was told by NAto that 5000 muslims would be the price for nato involvement. There were Serb and pro Yugoslavia villages being pumbled every nihgt under the cover of darkness by oric and his troops. They had known Mladic would retaliate, and when he did they simply pulled out and sacrificed low level officers and jihadists to mladic, making it look like a massacre. I suppose somebody like you wouldnt know this because you rely on people like geraldo rivera and christian amanpour to manufacture the truth for you. But then again reading your posts, it would definately not surprise me if you worked for the same people they do.

It is actually foolish to say RS was a genocidal creation. If this is correct, then one could easily say that every country in Latin America was a genocidal creation as what the Spanish soldiers did to the natives of Americas was Genocide. If RS is a genocidal creation then so is the United States, as the US soldiers systematically committed genocide against the Native American People. The list can go on and on. Germany of course by Hitler murdering 6 million Jews in perhaps the grandest act of genocide in the history of human kind, as it is constituted today, can be said to be a creation of genocide. Should I go on? The way I would look at this is that in Srebrenica there was a horrific crime that resulted in the death of 8,000 men and boys. The perpetrators were thankfully punished. The Serb people in Bosnia, however, did not want to live in a separate country from Serbia. So, they elected to form their own republic. Is that genocide? Is it genocide that Americans wanted their own country even if some Americans committed genocide? Of course not. The criminals should be punished and those innocent of crimes should create their own futures.
People should think before they speak.

What on Earth does Kosovo have to do with Srebrenica? Do you now want to talk about scales? ONE human life is too much to lose, but since you brought it up, go ahead and tell me when did Albanians murderer 8000 Serbs in Kosovo in the space of 3 days? You don't know what you're talking about.

It's not treason to tell your fellow countrymen uncomfortable truths.

On the contrary, it's very patriotic.
(Danilo, 2 February 2012 16:10)

Are you trying to call yourself and your NGO friends 'patriots' now? LOL
That's rich. I'll tell you what is treason. Treason is when you are paid by the very war criminals who bombed, sanctioned, and smeared Serbia for years, and then you take their money and repeat their lies and propoganda non-stop, just so you can keep receiving that pay cheque. Ceda Jovanovic, Sonja Biserko, and Natasa Kandic fall into this category. Telling the trugh about these people, and exposing them for the traitors that they are, now THAT'S patriotism.
Cheers!!

sadly i do not know how to add a link on B92. however, go to wikipedia, go to ANY news website (not the nutty conspiracy ones), go visit the war museum in London, read the history of Yugoslavia that is not written by a Serb, Croat, Albanian, Bosnian, ALL of them and i do mean ALL of them, will assert the number killed is 8000. read John Simpsons biography, Martin Bells account, Colonel Bob Stewart account and many other transparent sources ad you will see. however, if you stick to the conspiracy section, i am sure you can read that WW2 was nothing other than a fictional fantasy if you really wanted to
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 15:26)

I want names. I dont want estimates from so and so. I want concrete facts with names, ages, birth city, role in the muslim army, etc. Surely if there is millions of articles and studies and court verdicts etc, then the full list of close to 8000 men must be there too.

If that can not be provided then do not waste my time and stop saying close to 8000 non combatants. Copy and paste your website onto www.tinyurl.com and then paste the result after the conversion in the comments section here. I look forward to seeing this list.

"but judging by the number of remains found, they would number about 3,000. "

ICMP worked for 13 years identifying bodies with DNA, having identified 6,598 positively and differentiated an additional 2000 from the mess of bones.

Of course, that work takes a lot more time then some internet warrior saying "It didn't happen, it was just [insert whatever number you like]
"

They found the bones, Michael

"very well paid traitors"

It's not treason to tell your fellow countrymen uncomfortable truths.

On the contrary, it's very patriotic.

Bisecro and Cedovic are on US payroll and were meeting with US officials and getting funding at the same time NATO was bombing Serbia back to stone age.. They have to spout the same NATO line..

But here is the truth about Srebrenica..

naser Oric and his terror gangs slaughtered around 3-4 thousands serbs around Srebrenica and other cities.. UN troops did NOTHING to stop him

Mladic finally said enough is enough and bombed Srebrenica killed about 2,000 people, mostly Bosnian Muslim fighters.. UN troops did nothing to stop him

So in effect the UN was enouraging war.

That's the truth.. Of course the NATO propaganda media blamed all the deaths on the Serbs and of curse that served it's mission to invade on "humanatarain" reasons..

Basically the same propaganda they used against Ghadaffi and are now accusing assad of the same thing even though it's obvious that are western/saudi backed death squads doing the killing inside Syria.

-13 and -2 on my comments? Why? The albos/croats/muslims/danilo keep telling us Serbs we must face the truth. Is me not asking for names and role in the muslim army a way of learning the truth? How are we suppose to face the truth when the number 8000 keeps being mentioned yet there is no background information on these 8000? Are you albos/croats/muslims/danilo saying you know the truth because you can say that 8000 were killed? Without a list of these 8000 how do you know the truth?

(???, 2 February 2012 14:52)

Watch "Srbrenica 2" on you tube and enlighten yourself please. See how kids 12, 13, 14 yrs olds kids with hands tied are being shot behind...

If you didn't understand what genocide mean this video should educate you....hopefully...if NOT you have serious problem with ethics of morality and should visit a doctor.

Have we got two new contestants for a titanic duel in which neither presents a complete picture and viewpoints are further polarised?

Why can't we have more honesty injected into such debates? Isn't the truth that most states have been founded either upon genocide or ethnic cleansing? (Please anybody that disagrees with me, point out why my belief is wrong)

If that is true then isn't it necessary to debate the entire system of the establishment of nation states, as well as that of Republika Sprska? At the same time, if we are principled we must consider this in regard to the establishment of Croatia and its ethnic cleansing of Serbs. This is not to say that war crimes should be absolved, they should most certainly not be. However, if most countries are founded upon genocide or ethnic cleansing, that alone is not a good enough reason to prevent a country / entity being formed???

Its not an easy question, but its a natural starting point to any discussion of this sort. The problem is that simple minds won't be very pleased to have to consider such questions. They would rather argue about numbers, or point fingers.

LMFAOO Sonja Biserko is an expert?

bahahaha, in the words of Shawn Carter, also known as Jay-Z "we dont believe you, you need more people"

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sadly i do not know how to add a link on B92. however, go to wikipedia, go to ANY news website (not the nutty conspiracy ones), go visit the war museum in London, read the history of Yugoslavia that is not written by a Serb, Croat, Albanian, Bosnian, ALL of them and i do mean ALL of them, will assert the number killed is 8000. read John Simpsons biography, Martin Bells account, Colonel Bob Stewart account and many other transparent sources ad you will see. however, if you stick to the conspiracy section, i am sure you can read that WW2 was nothing other than a fictional fantasy if you really wanted to

That's rich, Zoran.

The Bosniaks killed themselves in order to make the Serbs look bad?

Don't be ridiculous. The truth is that God put the bones into mass graves for Serbs to test their faith.

"Mladic finally said enough is enough and bombed Srebrenica killed about 2,000 people, mostly Bosnian Muslim fighters.. UN troops did nothing to stop him"

Ah, now the about victims of Srebrenica died by 'bombing' instead of being deported and slaughtered my Mladic's troops. It's getting more and more funny what people think it's the truth.

The Bosniaks killed themselves in order to make the Serbs look bad?
(Danilo, 2 February 2012 16:04)
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I used the word sacrifice, you changed that to killed. The truth of the matter is that Bosnian Muslims did kill their own at times, like the market bombings in Sarajevo.

However, when it came to Srebrenica, the Bosnian Muslims sacrificed those soldiers to get US interventions, as Clinton promised. You only have to read the Srebrenica report to see it all clearly.

This comes from Bosnian Muslim politician Hakija Meholjic. Check -> http://www.ex-yupress.com/dani/dani2.html

So you rejected Izetbegovic's decision?

We rejected it without any discussion. Then he said: "You know, I was offered by Clinton in April 1993 (after the fall of Cerska and Konjevic Polje) that the Chetnik forces enter Srebrenica, carry out a slaughter of 5,000 Muslims, and then there will be a military intervention.

This comes from another Bosnian Muslim. Check -> http://dobbs.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/11/23/the_real_figures_behind_srebrenica
(reporter): What were the consequences of the attacks staged from the demilitarized zone for the inhabitants of Srebrenica?

Ibran Mustafic: That was a conscious giving of a pretext to the Serb forces to attack the demilitarized zone. Ibran Mustafic: Those individuals who, in the Summer of 1995, without a scratch left Srebrenica (…). It is well known that that team managed to get out and take with along the elderly, children and horses. I can only thank God, that a number of honest people and patriots managed to get out with them. (…) According to our custom when someone finishes the foundations for a house, an animal must be slaughtered on top of them. It seems that Srebrenica was a sacrificial lamb for the foundation of this state.

Looks like there is even a film about it (by Bosnian Muslims). I'll have to watch it myself -> http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/07/srebrenica-town-betrayed

Perhaps it's time you educate yourself. What do you think Danilo? You still have the option of remaining ignorant. It is your choice.

What a lot of ignorance still over Srebrenica.

The ICMP deals with all victims over Bosnia. There is one main lab for identification where evidence is taken to be identified, that doesn't make all of the 'victims' from Srebrenica by a long shot and the lab only does identification, not investigation in to how such victims died. These are two entirely separate acts which some people ignorantly tie toghter.

The so-called video execution of a couple of ArBih soldiers was nowhere near 'Srebrenica' and proves nothing in relation to Serbrenica except that a war crime occurred, in a civil war no less.

The head of the Missing Persons organization in Sarajevo has publicly said that the men in Srebrenica were listed as members of ArBiH and certainly not civilians, though using twisted logic claimed they were 'only soldiers in name as it was the only way to get extra benefits from Sarajevo'. A very, very few were not, and almost none below 16 or above 70.

Leaders of the moslem community in Srebrenica have said years ago that they were sacrificed by Sarajevo for military intervention. Bill Clinton also said that a large massacre of thousands of 'bosniaks' would be needed for intervention.

Srebrenica was never demilitarized in line with UN agreements.

Oric and the head officers of the 14th were helicoptered out to Sarajevo before anything happened, leaving the ArBih in Srebrenica without an effective command, which is why its defense 'unexpectedly' collapsed.

A good portion of the 14th who tried to make it to Tuzla were armed. Even video tape footage on television at the time shows this.

8,000 bodies have not been found and the numbers of those found with ligatures and executed (arguable summary justice in the field) is neither anywhere near 8,000, but barely a few hundred.

There's plenty more but it looks as if most people haven't read the quite imperfect NIOD report, nor bothered to look in to any other details offered as evidence by the ICTY, let alone the faulty projects by ICTY expert Dr. Robert Ball.

Nothing but lots of heat and light from you with your quasi-facts that support you specious opinions because you are too lazy to check proper source. Easier to quote old propaganda, no?

???, 2 February 2012 16:29

that is a really interesting thin that you want. read those sources and you will see. however, since you're intent on playing this game, give me the names of all those Serbs murdered by Bosnian forces, their place of birth, place of death, etc...you can't. while we're at it, give me the names of all 1000 Serbs murdered in Kosovo these past 10 years, their place of birth, death, age etc...you can't

Roberto,

Sorry I missed your call before. I was watching more home movies of my boys killing Serb civilians. Call you back this weekend, k?

We still on for Sunday?

XOXO

Naser

Bob I take offence you saying Belgrade is more fun then Zagreb no way Hose. Just compare [link] same couple in Zagreb and [link] Belgrade and their you have it Zagreb the most fun place even a cemetery more fun.
(Lenard, 2 February 2012 18:02)

LOL Zagreb is boring compared with Belgrade. Have you even been there? Knowing you, your head would spontaneously explode if it did. Stop being a lame loser :)

Oh yeah, and about the topic: who ever said Beserko is an expert in anything? All she ever does is whine and complain. No one takes her seriously in Serbia either. She gets about as much publicity as Ceda saying idiotic things for the cameras. No wonder frisco likes her.

Srebrenica is NOT universally recognized as a genocide.. That's pure bull.. Only NATO propagandists.. There have been plenty of genocides commited that dont go recognized per say..

NATO just bombed Libya back to the stone age and according to indepedendet reports, they killed between 50,000 - 100,000.. That's genocide.

NATO leveling Falluyah, and killing god knows how many that's genocide..


NATO bombing factories, Publicly owned corporations, school buses, railroads, infastructure, dropping depleted uranium into the water and using cluster bombs in Serbia in 1999 is a serious war crime and no one payed for it.. Same for Bosnia, they bombed there and slaughtered there at will..

Srebrenica = propaganda tool for NATO and their puppet IZetbegovic for NATO to intervene and finish the damn thing off and get their desired outcome which is a broken up Yugoslavia into a small cluster of republics run by the IMF and a future corporations with crappy standrads of living and monoplies by western corporations..

That's the truth and the sooner we accept that the quicker move in..

Serbs are not blameless.. ARkan and a couple of other thugs killed some people but Mladic is a professional who exercised maximum restraint.. That's just the truth..

How many Muslims did he save when he intervened to help adbic against IZetbegovic??? No one even talks about that..

How many croatians did he save when stopped IZetbegovic from rampagain on the croatian border? No one even talks about that..

If Serbs wanted to kill Muslims why where Muslims allowed to cross the border into Serbia when they were displaced.. You know why not just slaughter all the muslims in Serbia?? IN Sandzak.. NO need to look for them in Bosnia..

Sonja Biserko

Go and buy a dictionary and look up the word genocide. Even Israeli officials say its not genocide.

BEN You are spouting the same propaganda NATO used to intervene against Yugoslavia.. You have no clue what really happened.. Let me educate your once and for all..

First of all let's adress Cedomir Jovanovic.. He is a liar and paid propagandist.. He has been on US/British/German payroll since the early 90s.. His job was to work with the US officials to overthrow Milosevic anyway and everyway.. He is a George Soros funded schill. IF you lived in Serbia you would know that.. He is a member of the optor movement which was a CIA minupulated movement to overthrow milosevic in the early 90s. HE gets his money from the National endowment for democracy, freedom house and the US congress. His job is to repeat the NATO line aobut what happened in Yugoslavia.. Using him as a source would be like using Nazi collaborators and propagandists as the judge and jury in the nuremberg trials.. He was actively receiving money from those organizations listed above at the same time the US was bombing Serbia back to the stone age.. He NEVER condemnded the bombing..

The sarajevo siege is a FALSE.. Serbs did NOT siege Sarajevo.. Civilians where operating at free will in Serbian controlled areas.

It's Izetbegovic who had internal siege who refused to allow civilians to move in and out.. HE gave an interview to a French TV in which is specifically said that if he let civilians out that there would be nothing stoping the Serbian army from destroying him. IN effect he is admitting that the Serbian army was exercising restraint.

And the so called sniping is a myth.. The market bombing that was blamed on the Serbs was done by muslims.. They killed thier own people because they knew it would be blamed on the Serbs, the side NATO was fighting against. But too bad for them it was leaked on French TV again and US/British officials who worked in the area said it was a muslim bomb. Read David Owen's books who was one of the negoitators. That will explain some things in which he admits liars against the Serbs.

Like I told you in my first post. NAser Oric( a US backed Muslim mercenary) attacked and slaiughtered some 3-4 thousands people mostly Serbs and some muslims.. The UN did nothing to stop him.. Srebrenica was suppose to be a no weapons zone and yet arms were being smuggled to middles easter jihadists/bosnian muslims fighters as they were carrying out their massacres.

Mladic went on the offensive and bombed their strongholds in Srebrenica and killed about 2,000, mostly jihadists and Bosnian Muslim fighters.

It's not to say that Serbs were blameless because Arkan and some other ireggualar Serbian thugs killed civilians altough ironicaly they targeted mostly Croats and not even Muslims.

You have to remember that there were Bosnian Muslims(followers of Fikret Abdic who defeated IZetbegovic in the elections) who fought with Mladic early on against IZetbegovic.. Izetbegovic is NOT popular among Bosnian Muslims(never won a single election), Mladic and Karadzic WERE among Serbs..

Ok Let's talk about the biggest criminals in the wars.. The western leaders who unleashed a massive bombardment on mostly Serbian territoires in Krajina, Bosnia and Serbia.. Why dont' you talk about that?? They killed thousands, injured thousands more and destroyed the nessecary life support infastructure..

Once again.. Educate yourself with the truth and not the NATO/Joseph Grobells propaganda you are getting where you are..

besides no serious scholar ever claims there was a genocidein Srebrenica but of course we are suppose to listen to current puppet goverments in balkans and their master in the US/UK as our sources of the truth even though all the evidence is contradicting.

i'm considering the official census reports of sarajevo fro, 1991 and 2002. in 1991 serb population of sarajevo was ~150000. in 2002 serb population of sarajevo was ~45000. it would seem that roughly 2/3 of the serbia population of sarajevo vanished into thin air. rs was founded on genocide then fed was founded on ethnic cleansing (in the least).
or (this is where the power of logic and deduction helps) the people of bosnia moved to the fed or rs according to their own demographics en masse.
if the whole of bih is considered, the demographic make up is pretty much the same as pre war. so the only conclusion is that migrations occured. rs and fed are built on blood.
(sumbudy, 2 February 2012 20:06) Another naysayer this is what happened in Sarajevo. The only one ethnic cleansed Serbs in Sarajevo is the Serbs and their wicked criminal leadership http://www.nytimes.com/specials/bosnia/context/0223yugo-bosnia.html by spreading lies and fear promising a Serb ethnic pure paradise.

Bob I take offence you saying Belgrade is more fun then Zagreb no way Hose. Just compare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWZTPP7gZv8&feature=related same couple in Zagreb and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUQXvfwrZig&feature=related Belgrade and their you have it Zagreb the most fun place even a cemetery more fun.

(???, 2 February 2012


now give me the news reports (photos, forensics all the rest) that support your claims; that those people on that list are not propaganda and were in fact murdered by Kosovars & Bonsinas. you seem to like technicalaties, so we'll take it all the way

Also, I have not failed to notice that the links you provided me with, are from a pro-Serb website i.e. not impartial. since you're so ready dismiss Srebrenica, an event that been universally acknowledged as a genocide, i will dismiss this source as unreliable and biased. give me names from say Ambnesty International, followed with news reports of events etc. do not give me a Serbian website. same for Bosnia

so if i understand yor assertion correctly lenard, you claim that the serbs ethnically cleansed themselves from sarajevo? do you also then believe that the bosniaks killed their own people too? am i do understand that when faced with crtedible facts and figures (from the official census of bosnia) your only logical retort is some conspriratorial explanation, reaching deeper and deeper into the unbelievable?
next you'll be suggesting that 6 million jews not only willingly walked into gas chambers, but that it was a used as a strategic catalyst to put them back in favour with the world.
for that matter, i wonder why you cry day in day out about your croatian compatriots in bosnia that were ethnically cleansed, as it is obvious that they did it to themselves.
i've got two words for you:
pa-lease....

'The sarajevo siege is a FALSE.. Serbs did NOT siege Sarajevo.. Civilians where operating at free will in Serbian controlled areas. '

Sorry but this point is nonsense. My cousin who is originally from Travnik in Bosnia was arrested in Belgrade and forced to fight as part of an artillery team on the hills of Sarajevo. He didn't have free will and he was part of the Bosnian Serb army and as he told me at the time, military commanders and equipment came mostly from the former JNA.

There were also snipers in Sarajevo, nothing mythical about that. Everybody knows it. The snipers by the way should not be defended or denied by the way, their bullets mostly hit many innocent Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslums.

If you are going to lecture Ben about what happened in Bosnia, you must get the basic, provable facts correct.

Cry as much you want:
Republika Srpska is created,it is internationally recognized and it is only a matter of thime when our brothers from the other side of the Drina will join Serbia ,the West will sooner or later give us the green light!
As for this clown Lenard: Just try to attack Bosnian Serbs,this time you wont have 1,3 million Bosnians Serbs against 4,5 millio Croats but 9-10 million Serbs against 4,5 million Croats!

GeorgeBush, It's nonsense.. The Serbs did NOT snipe, that's a hoax even the UN never claimed that one..

I see you did NOT dispute the market massares which were carried out by IZetbegovic thugs and blamed on serbs..

I see you did not dispute the fact that IZetgegovic SLAUGHTERED thousands of Muslim supporters of Fikret Abdic, you know the man that has a lot more support among Bosnian Muslims than Izetbegovic who fought with the Serbs against Izetbeogivic's terror gangs..

Are you going to ignore the fact that Izetbegovic himself admitted to holding civilians hostage in Sarajevo because according to him, it would mean the Serbian army could destroy him. Isn't that the ultimate admission that the Serbian army was exercising restraint?? Why did Izetbegovic not allow cvilian to come out muslim held areas when the Serbian leadership asked him to??? ahahah plz anaswer that.. Why is Sarajevo been ehnically cleansed of all Serbs??

I'm not spouting anyone's propaganda I was there, I think it's you who is either too heavily influenced by the western corporate media or something like that..

Why do you ingore the testimony of UN solders who said Muslims were killing their own because they knew it would be blamed on the Serbs and this induce a NATO intervention?? Are all those UN soldiers lying??

With a name like George Bush.. Plz..

"People are not monsters.

Serbs are not monsters.

If one starts opening the light of truth in Serbia, Serbs will start facing the reality and the horrible crimes that were made in their name. Germans did. Why not Serbs? "

IMHO the main difference is that Germany invaded someone else's countries, while Serbs fought over disputable territories.

...and people ARE monsters.

The Bosnian Muslim army were ordered by their Brigade Commanders and the UN to desert their dug-in defensive positions "all around" Srebrenica the day before the so-called "fall".

This is told by the soldiers themselves. They all had to gather in the north of the city and they left in shifts starting that evening.

The numbers of men leaving on foot has been estimated between 15,000 - 18,000.

Meanwhile, for days previous the UN has ordered the women and children to Potocari and threatened them not to return to their homes.

The city was all set up for evacuation and there wasn't really any fighting or battles going on.

When the Serbs arrived into the cities the men were all clear of it and had a large trek to Tuzla. Most all of them made it.

Only a few hundred Serbian soldiers actually entered into the city and the UN told them to bus them to Tuzla airport. The Serbs sent civilian bus drivers and the UN escorted the buses.

There are no pictures or medical reports of any injuries to the women and children arriving to Tuzla. There's no scratch on them for all the stories.

Srebrenica is a media-driven propaganda. They search for dead far outside of Srebrenica, including many Serbian villages where Naser Oric and the 28th Brigade carried out attacks and massacres.

Intention of my comment is to help Zman...Zman arguments are: Srebrenica killing was legal defensive act of serbian forces against Jihadist. Bosnian Muslims are in love with all what happened to them. Zman...I think you are hiding behind the name of radovan karadzic as that is your real name.
You can sell your postwar propaganda to someone who didn't see it and experience it on his own skin, for rest of us is left to quietly spend rest of our lives, disapointed in humanity, in neighbors ,in presence of unversal justice.
Zman , I hope that you'll wake up from your propaganda induced coma, from your education that made you so defensive individual that you slipped in haitred. You believe more in 15 century Serbian mit then in CNN. How I can believe anything that you say? so... go on, keep writing about Srebrenica until that become one more noble and historic win of Serbian army. I don't care-My kids and kids of their kids will know the truth.I wish that Mothers of Serbia never experience what experienced Mother of Srebrenica.

(bganon, 3 February 2012 19:49)

why do you even bother answering him?

it's obvious he doesn't need your help, he is in desperate need of professional help, not yours.

There were also snipers in Sarajevo, nothing mythical about that. Everybody knows it. The snipers by the way should not be defended or denied by the way, their bullets mostly hit many innocent Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslums.
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You're right bgannon, but did he also tell you that the Muslims had snipers as well?
It was WAR. What don't you get about a war? All sides fight with whatever they have at their disposal. Yes, wars a brutal and unfair and people get killed. Everyone hates wars but when they happen people fight for their very lives.
I don't mean to minimize or excuse anyone but if you are going to quote your cousin you should also ask him if the Muslims had snipers too and how they fought. I'm sure that your cousin wasn't the only one who hated fighting but the others had to as well. If everyone waited till they were arrested to fight Serbs would've perished.

please provide me with such websites/articles/etc
> that lists these close to 8000 non combatants.
[link]
(Jovan R, 3 February 2012 00:12)

Bravo Jovan! This is evidence(sad one),not those of Del Ponte.

People are not monsters.

Serbs are not monsters.

If one starts opening the light of truth in Serbia, Serbs will start facing the reality and the horrible crimes that were made in their name. Germans did. Why not Serbs?

This debate and the language that Cedomir Jovanovic is using is very brave and honest. This is the only way for reconciliation in Balkans.

You cannot siege Sarajevo for 3 years, order your snipers to shoot at children and women that are going to take some water, kill 8,000 people in Srebrenica and equalize that with the murder of ‘Srpski svat’ in Sarajevo as Dodik was doing during the dabte. Expose more frequently these ignorant to the Serbian opinion and they will get the deserved answer from Serbs themselves. Then I want to see if radicals and their policies will be again the largest political party in Serbia. No one is happy to hear that such horrible crimes were done in their name. But you the media in Serbia you are covering them up.

The main obstacles for the peace in Balkans are the politicians, and mainly the Serbian, who control the media and ban them from speaking about the crimes done in their name. My compliments to Jovanovic and B92 for organizing that debate and encourage you to open this painful topic for an honest and more frequent discussion in your society. Germans are speaking for the crimes done in their name for 60 years now. My congratulations to Dodik as well, for the fact that he accepted the TV confrontation and exposed his mediocre level resulting from the fact that he was defending the un-defendable- the monstrous crimes done in the name of his people.

I think you Serbs should address this question to which I can only guess the answer: how did you Serbs manage to turn a completely legitimate and human right to secede from Bosnia to turn it up in genocide and massacre??? My guess is that your elite is extremely greedy and needed as much as possible good quality land thus was massacring and cleansing ethnically the lands they wanted. But this is just my guess and rational attempt for explaining it. The moral weight of the question still remains intact am afraid. And you should debate that.

Stop being a lame loser :)


(Balkan Anthropologist, 3 February 2012 00:56) Balkan Anthropologist some one is calling you a loser and signing your name the Balkan Anthropologist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo . Weird and he wants to know if I have been to Beograd. I'll answer him you try to figure out who that loser is. Yes I have been to Beograd a few times ,any luck Balkan Anthropologist?

Without a list of these 8000 how do you know the truth?
(???, 2 February 2012 17:10)

Simply visit the Potocari memorial, and you can read the names of more than 5000 victims who are buried so far on the tombstones/name wall. Or check their website, there are some 100s of names listed every year when the remainders of newly identified victims are buried.

> please provide me with such websites/articles/etc
> that lists these close to 8000 non combatants.


http://www.potocarimc.ba/_ba/liste/liste_11072009.php