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Tuesday, 29.11.2011.

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KFOR: We'll shoot; Serbs start building new road

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" if they built a new barricade at Jagnjenica.

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lowe

pre 14 godina

“That's exactly what I meant. That China damaged the US embassy in Beijing, and had to pay the compensation. The Yankees took the money they cared about and couldn't care less for the rest :).
(icj1, 2 December 2011 06:16)”

I already know that you are insisting that’s what you meant. However my question to you was to explain how my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” is the same as what you meant when you wrote “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”

I reread the statements many times but still don’t see the similarity and, I suspect, there really isn’t one. My statement talked about Blero and the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. I didn’t write about 4.6 million, 3 killed and 27 injured. And you didn’t write about Blero. So how can what I wrote be the same in contents as yours?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"No sir I did not say ""The embassy was just an accident”. That is an incomplete citation :). Indeed, I like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words, but you did not quote me exactly.
(icj1, 2 December 2011 06:19)"

Well, I tried to find out what is the meaning of :) in your precious Merriam-Webster, and came up with zilch. So of course I would think it doesn't amount to anything significant in the ENGLISH language.

In any case you have still NOT provided proof to support your statement in the language that everyone on B92 understand. ""The embassy was just an accident”. And, I suspect, you will NOT be abler to do so.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Done that, was pleased with what I saw. And now you should really look for somebody else who wants to waste his time with you.
(pro-me, 2 December 2011 08:54)"

Did that and pleased with what you saw? Well, then that must be the distorted reality that you talked about! I truly rest my case!!!!

pro-me

pre 14 godina

So, on balance, I do not find your so called evidence credible at all. Hence before you decide to be clever and quote Einstein about infinite human stupidity -- do take a good look at yourself in the mirror first, ok?
(lowe, 1 December 2011 17:39

Done that, was pleased with what I saw. And now you should really look for somebody else who wants to waste his time with you.

icj1

pre 14 godina

The general rule is if you don’t know then shut the hell up.
(sj, 1 December 2011 12:34)

But I do know... According to a Malaysian friend of mine it was an accident and I know that Malaysia is famous source of trutful people :)

icj1

pre 14 godina

This amazing coming from someone like you who like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words. I’m now merely holding you to your own standards. On Nov 30th, you stated as a statement of fact that "The embassy was just an accident”, I then asked you whether you have conclusive evidence to support your statement. Which you were unable to provide up to now.
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:47)

No sir I did not say ""The embassy was just an accident”. That is an incomplete citation :). Indeed, I like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words, but you did not quote me exactly.

icj1

pre 14 godina

That;s what you meant? How was my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” the SAME as your initial “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”???????
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:47)

That's exactly what I meant. That China damaged the US embassy in Beijing, and had to pay the compensation. The Yankees took the money they cared about and couldn't care less for the rest :).

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Did you care to read the Tanjug link I have provided? If not do so; if you still don't believe it send in CSI Mitrovica...


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
(pro-me, 1 December 2011 16:38)"

Your link was a reply to moris and not to me. So how do you expect to know that it was meant for me?????

Secondly your so called evidence from that link was KFOR's claim that 25 of its soldiers were injured -- how objective would it be for you to only consider what one side said?

Thirdly your link itself also stated that "Several dozen Serbs were also injured in the incident." The words "Several dozen" would suggest that MORE Serbs than KFOR soldiers were injured.

Fourthly, how does your link prove your case that “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” ?????? Especially when the "25 injured" info was claimed by the KFOR side and not by a neutral third party? And what about the "Several dozen Serbs" who were injured according to your link? Who injured them?????? As far as I could make out rom your link, there was nobody else with them at the barricades apart from KFOR.

Lastly, this B92 article itself quoted KFOR threatening to shoot the Serbs. So if there was any intention by one party to behave violently towards the other party, it would appear that it was KFOR taking up arms against the Serbs instead of the other way round.

So, on balance, I do not find your so called evidence credible at all. Hence before you decide to be clever and quote Einstein about infinite human stupidity -- do take a good look at yourself in the mirror first, ok?

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Who's playing? I was dead serious when I stated that you were unable to substantiate your claims.
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:30)

Did you care to read the Tanjug link I have provided? If not do so; if you still don't believe it send in CSI Mitrovica...


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Found nobody else who wants to play with you?
(pro-me, 1 December 2011 03:39)"

Who's playing? I was dead serious when I stated that you were unable to substantiate your claims.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“Oops, sorry, didn’t understand people didn’t have the sense of humor here. I’ll be serious now. Officially it was an accident.
(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:23):"

This amazing coming from someone like you who like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words. I’m now merely holding you to your own standards. On Nov 30th, you stated as a statement of fact that "The embassy was just an accident”, I then asked you whether you have conclusive evidence to support your statement. Which you were unable to provide up to now.


“That’s what I meant and the US took the money (that’s all the Yankees cared about)

PS: CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:19)”

That;s what you meant? How was my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” the SAME as your initial “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”???????

sj

pre 14 godina

(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:19)
I know that living in the US is like being in a cocoon where it’s the land of milk and honey and nothing exists beyond the Golden Gate Bridge, but as Galileo said to the Catholic Church, the world is round and it’s not the centre of the universe. The same applies to the US.
Sadly your people are working in China and are paid well. You really have to get out of the US.

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:33)

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

The general rule is if you don’t know then shut the hell up.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Still, the point is that the Yankees had to pay the victims' families, however paltry the amount may seem to you. Don't forget that the per capita income in China is still a fraction of that in Yankee Land at nominal rates.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:08)

I don’t agree with that. The only person I trust on economic and financial analysis is B92 forums’ CE sj, and according to sj the educated Americans are rushing to work in China and I’m sure they are not taking a pay cut for that.
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As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:08)

That’s what I meant and the US took the money (that’s all the Yankees cared about)


PS: CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 14 godina

The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:33)


"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

That's the Yankee version. Which not everyone swallowed without a pinch of salt.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:19)

Oops, sorry, didn’t understand people didn’t have the sense of humor here. I’ll be serious now. Officially it was an accident.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Has KFOR provided opportunities for KSerbs to return to Southern parts of Kosovo and live there safely? No, it hasn't, because it is afraid of conflicts with Albanians ovar the issue.
(aaayyy, 30 November 2011 19:51)

Of course, that's why is removing the barricades between Kosovo and serbia to ensure the freedom of movement between Kosovo and serbia, otherwise how are people going to return ?!

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Its not my fault if you are unable to substantiate what you wrote on B92.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 23:03)

Found nobody else who wants to play with you?

sj

pre 14 godina

Is that the reason the EU wants to join Serbia? Or was it the other way around?
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 22:36)

It just amazes me how obtuse some people can be. The original purpose of joining the EU was all the money coming in upon joining, but today we are looking down the barrel of two EUs – one is for the elite (maybe five or six countries) while the rest go to the second class carriage and there is the third class for places such as Albania.

But if you know hwere all the solid gold goodies are located please feel free to tell us all.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"@ the smartest poster on B92

Whatever and now go and play with somebody else!
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 16:25)"

Its not my fault if you are unable to substantiate what you wrote on B92.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

"These KFOR soldiers are germans they were already pityfull in WWII and now they shoot at civilians. Shame on germany.
(moris, 30 November 2011 18:54)"

What is it you guys don't get? KFOR is the one that was being shot at and not the other way around. http://www.tanjug.rs/news/25584/25-kfor-soldiers-and-several-dozen-serbs-injured.htm

pro-me

pre 14 godina

On a percentage basis the EU is far, far more in debt than Serbia. I strongly suggest that you go and buy a radio.
(sj, 30 November 2011 21:59)

Is that the reason the EU wants to join Serbia? Or was it the other way around?

sj

pre 14 godina

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.
(dori tirana, 30 November 2011 13:52)

Try learning English first before posting. Perhaps you might read my posting about your Albanians.

sj

pre 14 godina

(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Where I grew up this statement is more of a sarcastic comment meaning the opposite. I apologies for any misunderstanding.

sj

pre 14 godina

(pro-me, 30 November 2011 12:47)

Serbia can very easily support its people in Kosovo, but how long do you think the EU is going to support the Albos?
On a percentage basis the EU is far, far more in debt than Serbia. I strongly suggest that you go and buy a radio.

aaayyy

pre 14 godina

KFOR fulfills what is written in 1244 selectively, it fulfills what suits Albanians.
Has KFOR provided opportunities for KSerbs to return to Southern parts of Kosovo and live there safely? No, it hasn't, because it is afraid of conflicts with Albanians ovar the issue.

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

But throwing petrol bombs is a peaceful protest, isn't it ?
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:44)

If Serbs do it, than yes it is considered protesting peacefully; however if anyone else does it, it is considered terrorism. Same applies to shooting police officers.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“LOL!”

Your LOL still doesn’t detract from your failure to provide credible proof to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.”


“What "credible proof" do you need? Or have the KFOR soldiers shot themselves only to give the K-Serbs a bad name?”

I need credible proof that support your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.”. Which have failed to materialize up to now. You could have saved yourself a lot of inconvenience by coming clean and admitthat you don't have the proof.



“Comparing the situation to Libya etc. speaks for itself. “

How does “Comparing the situation to Libya etc” speak for itself? Can you clarify? And you have still failed to show me where did I state “large style attack” in my previous posts.



“Funny, since the whole discussion started when I replied to your statement. So tell me, how could you address this question to me when I hadn't even joined the discussion??? “

Because you cited as your so called “evidence” that my QUESTION TO YOU "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" amounted to some “large style attack”. Which is an absurd conclusion by you, and thus evidence to me that the one suffering from a distortion of reality is yourself – hence yours being classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.



“And once more: You are such a charming person!

And now I rest my case! Cheerio!
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 15:08)”

Unfortunately truth compels me not to return your compliment!

pro-me

pre 14 godina

"The issue is not who started insulting whom."

vs.

"other than your pathetic attempt at more insults."

LOL!
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The issue is your failure to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” with credible proof -- and which is still not forthcoming from you up to now!"

What "credible proof" do you need? Or have the KFOR soldiers shot themselves only to give the K-Serbs a bad name?

--------

"And now more distorted reality from you -- show me where did I talked about "large style attack" (your words)"

vs.

"Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)"

Comparing the situation to Libya etc. speaks for itself.

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"In case you don't realize it, my statement "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" was a QUESTION TO YOU!"

Funny, since the whole discussion started when I replied to your statement. So tell me, how could you address this question to me when I hadn't even joined the discussion???

--------

"You do know enough about the English language to understand what is a question mark right? (Another question here to you by the way). Or maybe you do not from what I have seen so far."

And once more: You are such a charming person!

And now I rest my case! Cheerio!

trizo

pre 14 godina

ја сам шумадинац брате!
(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.
(dori tirana, 30 November 2011 13:52)

Dori,

I said I am a person from Sumadija/шумадија (central Serbia) :)

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Every reader is free to check who started insulting whom (unless "the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone" is considered to be a compliment in your place). Either you have a short memory or -as I have said earlier- are suffering from a distorted reality. It was you who brought up some imagined large style attack against unarmed civilians. (quote: "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?")
And now live with it and stop wriggling out of it.
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 13:56)"

The issue is not who started insulting whom. The issue is your failure to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” with credible proof -- and which is still not forthcoming from you up to now!

And now more distorted reality from you -- show me where did I talked about "large style attack" (your words)? In case you don't realize it, my statement "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" was a QUESTION TO YOU! You do know enough about the English language to understand what is a question mark right? (Another question here to you by the way). Or maybe you do not from what I have seen so far.

I don't deny that I have traded barbs on B92 -- but only to those whom I think had it coming to them.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Actually I had YOU in mind when it comes to distorted reality. It was YOU who stated “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” I gave you a chance to support your statement with evidence but you failed to come up with anything credible so far other than your pathetic attempt at more insults.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 13:19)

Every reader is free to check who started insulting whom (unless "the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone" is considered to be a compliment in your place). Either you have a short memory or -as I have said earlier- are suffering from a distorted reality. It was you who brought up some imagined large style attack against unarmed civilians. (quote: "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?")
And now live with it and stop wriggling out of it.

to analyst from exKFOR

pre 14 godina

first hello, long time no talk..LOL, last time the only thing you could respond to me was " go and read some more Bible" - honestly - I have not read that book even once!
unarmed civilians - you brought up such a question earlier in that thread - by your brethren Muslims in the ME it is understood drugged,Allahu-akbar yelling,armed with different objects (what in my home country'´s Penal Law is defined as weapons) attacking their opponents with the aim to create a wide-scale violence, for a change they shoot with firearms from amongst "civilians", and through that creating and using human shields - things what Albos did in 2004 in K-Mitrovica likewise so called Palestinians in Golan Hights...
well - once Albanian got as a prize " a bastard country" why should Serbs not engage in such modus operandi - then maybe they will get back what is theirs`?

dori tirana

pre 14 godina

Sj,

Is your comment directed at me? If it is then I think you must have misunderstood my post saying "takes the cake" which was another way of me saying that I thought it was the best comment so far.

ја сам шумадинац брате!
(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“Are you just by chance suffering from distorted reality?
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 12:30)”

Actually I had YOU in mind when it comes to distorted reality. It was YOU who stated “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” I gave you a chance to support your statement with evidence but you failed to come up with anything credible so far other than your pathetic attempt at more insults.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

I see .... the ones doing all the shooting were the Serbs? Despite KFor being the ones who issued the threats to shoot, and despite many Serbs being injured according to an earlier report? Did the Serbs shoot themselves or what? Pray elaborate for us your fantastic version! Its time for the Twilight Zone!
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:16)

Are you just by chance suffering from distorted reality?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

One more thing, icj1. You made this statement of fact. Do you have conclusive evidence that it was really an accident?

pro-me

pre 14 godina

And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet.
The EU is BANKRUPT and falling apart, hello!!!!!!
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:44)

http://www.kolikokostakosovo.info/

trizo

pre 14 godina

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

What takes the cake? It’s all true. Your Albanians are cowards, it’s not racism but a long tradition and statement of fact. You are quiet while in very small numbers but become totally unbearable once in large groups.

EU prisons are full of ALBANIANS from petty theft to drug trafficking, slavery, extortion, loan sharking, you name it they have done it.
(sj, 30 November 2011 10:19)

Sj,

Is your comment directed at me? If it is then I think you must have misunderstood my post saying "takes the cake" which was another way of me saying that I thought it was the best comment so far.

ја сам шумадинац брате!

Shpetim

pre 14 godina

"And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet. "

I have no idea which place you're describing here...it certainly isn't where I live. talking from personal experience now or what?

sj

pre 14 godina

(seeing the video, 30 November 2011 03:15)
You very long winded. Wish as much as you like Kosovo is not a state and nothing happens to the Serbs. This game will go on and on and frustrated Albos like you will come up with one excuse after another and every time it looks like the west will take action you will rejoice only to see you depressed again.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ?

China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:48)"

Still, the point is that the Yankees had to pay the victims' families, however paltry the amount may seem to you. Don't forget that the per capita income in China is still a fraction of that in Yankee Land at nominal rates.

As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.

sj

pre 14 godina

I really love the bravado in here. Bravery? What bravery is being shown? They know KFOR will not shoot to kill. KFOR is actually well trained and can exercise restraint. Now, had KFOR used real bullets, tanks etc...that maybe would have been brave, or rather stupid. What we have here are a bunch of people, who are very obviously living off Serb taxpayers and giving nothing back. yes...very very brave. Let them continue, they will only bankrupt you in the long run
(Shpetim, 30 November 2011 11:08)

And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet.
The EU is BANKRUPT and falling apart, hello!!!!!!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

That's the Yankee version. Which not everyone swallowed without a pinch of salt.

sj

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)

For that little incident it cost the US plenty. Old Bill tried for days to contact the Chinese to apologies for what had happened and offer to pay compensation. Finally after 5 days Billy boy got through.
That little act of US stupidity cost them very dearly. In fact it would have been cheaper to have built the new Chinese Embassy out of solid gold than what the Us had to do.
First they paid for a complete new embassy and then they allowed the Chinese to join the WTO, which up to then was the only major bargaining chip the US had.
For semi literates like you that medicine cost the US plenty, but to you the WTO is just another brand of sasuage.

“If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy”
Of course and your US is your friend, they love Albanians??????


The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?

Shpetim

pre 14 godina

I really love the bravado in here. Bravery? What bravery is being shown? They know KFOR will not shoot to kill. KFOR is actually well trained and can exercise restraint. Now, had KFOR used real bullets, tanks etc...that maybe would have been brave, or rather stupid. What we have here are a bunch of people, who are very obviously living off Serb taxpayers and giving nothing back. yes...very very brave. Let them continue, they will only bankrupt you in the long run

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Charming. Only that it was you who was painting a picture of "Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet"-style atrocities against "unarmed civilians". And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs. Don't mix up your wishful thinking of KFOR creating martyrs for your nationalistic songs and the reality.
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 00:10)"

Charming for you maybe. But I'm sure not for the West to be caught practising double standards when it came to the treatment of civilians by governments they like and those that they don't like. And the way I see it, no amount of song and dance by you can alter this fact.

I see .... the ones doing all the shooting were the Serbs? Despite KFor being the ones who issued the threats to shoot, and despite many Serbs being injured according to an earlier report? Did the Serbs shoot themselves or what? Pray elaborate for us your fantastic version! Its time for the Twilight Zone!

sj

pre 14 godina

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

What takes the cake? It’s all true. Your Albanians are cowards, it’s not racism but a long tradition and statement of fact. You are quiet while in very small numbers but become totally unbearable once in large groups.

EU prisons are full of ALBANIANS from petty theft to drug trafficking, slavery, extortion, loan sharking, you name it they have done it.

ben

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)
(Ari Gold, 29 November 2011 17:06)

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

waooo what pagliacios...

Albanians stood in front of an enemy that WAS NOT warning to shoot but WAS shooting at site...

PRO-SERBIA

pre 14 godina

I bet the KOsovo Albanians are jealous right now coz they cannot duplicate the same bravery as the Serbian citizens are doing right now against the armed to the teeth KFOR.

Analyst

pre 14 godina

"Thanks for confirming for all that you agree with firing on unarmed" (Dragan, 29 November 2011 19:07)

I agree totally, I only don't agree what about you call 'unarmed'. Not only KFOR, even police in most countries is using rubber bullets, pepper spray and water cannons to disperse protesters when they become violent and throw stones, molotov cocktails... In case the protesters shoot with lethal weapons at the police (I don't know if this was the case here), other methods can be used for self defense - all usual practice, has nothing to do with 'war crimes'. With a dozen or so KFOR soldiers wounded, nobody can claim these protests were 'peaceful'. Oops, of course the KFOR soldiers injured themselves to blame the Serbs, how could I forget this option!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 14 godina

Yes, sheer desperation and justice.
(Peggy, 29 November 2011 21:57)

LOL sheer desperation at a lack of implementing their version of justice. I get a kick out of these keyboard warriors wishing violence and war on people they only wish they could attack. Even their idiot interior minsister Rexhepi is calling for more violence against people that are, in his warped mind, technically citizens of his country :)

seeing the video

pre 14 godina

I saw yesterday the vídeo recorded by serbians about the battle when “unarmed people” fought the army… well, it was a medieval battle when a more armed group (Serbs) defied the more organized but tied by principles one. The started with the Serbian mob armed of sticks made close contact with the KFOR troops after a short time for shouting (the old way put courage on warriors pre battle) they attack the KFOR with its rods against the nato shields, the only way for stop the pressure was the pepper spray and the water cannon so after this initial struggle they withdraw for their classical maneuver on medieval battles, Guilherm used it against Harold in Hastings for dismantle the saxon line, some KFOR soldiers advanced and was caught with the second wave of serbs and need retreat fast for not be smashed, many stones was thrown against the KFOR shields, a scene was impacting here, two Serbians (more 2 meters tall and hundreds muscle kilos Serbian special forces disguised in “peaceful citizens”) attacked a poor soldier that advanced too much and only three of his comrades and perhaps some rubber bullets but certainly the understanding of the serbs that they could not kill the soldier (by political reasons of course) saved his life. End of the confrontation women was send for a goose line before the KFOR troops so the serbians collected to his command center turned a on ground hospital for little injuries and washing red eyes from pepper could analyze the results, then the last piece of propaganda, serbs show some rubber spheres 0.5cm round like “proof” of KFOR violence! Only a brain washed person put this video on YOUTUBE like Serbian propaganda, it is perfect for KFOR demonstration of the Serbian state controlled violence. The shooting was the hided question of confrontation, personally I don’t believe on small fire arms but on Serbian snipes with low caliber shotguns for moral messages KFOR need have snipers for response, the mayor don’t can survive at KFOR commandant death nor anyone at command center.
Personally I would not be a KFOR soldier on that scene, the maneuver space for KFOR troops was minimum, a big wall stood behind, there was no chance for regrouping, serbs instead had a perfect war zone for, the permission for serbs approach at contact turned the KFOR position undefensable, if grenades was used second line the defense line of KFOR troops a tiny 3 or 4 line could be smashed easy, the water cannon can be turned unoperational with a single shoot, so only the perception that the victory on ground would not be tolerated secured the peaceful serbs from his victory, be in a troop that is secured by political issues and not by its force on ground is not the ideal.
Of course the model of “peaceful citizens” against full armed troops is a piece of propaganda and political administration of the Kosovo problem (on Serbian sight), Kosovo is a full state now, the use of the Serbian minority when it is majority creating a serbian zone for confront the Kosovo state is not acceptable for longer and Belgrade have no power for send army for impose its will there are now not a civil population for be massacred but a full army for annihilate the Serbian invader so the creation of political fictions and controlled confrontation is the only escape but this is coming to end. Serbia plays like its was the only attacker player on ist gampling game for the great Serbia but soon another zones on Serbian control can be insurrect and Serbian will soon face the reality, Yugoslavia and great Serbia was gone forever, no modification on international scene will turn Serbia able of repeat the 90´s serbian action.

icj1

pre 14 godina

And did you, Blero, also remembered that the cowboy Yankees, after all that swaggering, had to pay the Chinese government $28 million in compensation and the families of the Chinese victims $4.5 million? [link]
(lowe, 29 November 2011 22:14)

4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ?

China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Also if KFOR do shoot, it'll be rubber bullets not live ammunition; besides KFOR should have used rubber bullets sooner, like when the K-Serbs threw petrol bombs at KFOR or when they shot at policemen.
(Ian, UK, 29 November 2011 20:51)

But throwing petrol bombs is a peaceful protest, isn't it ?

icj1

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)


The embassy was just an accident :)

bramovich

pre 14 godina

big economical trouble in western world will force military to cut unprofitable operations kosovo ,bosnia croatia macedonia itc so do anyone is thinking that sebs will forget the biggest insult in history of mankind my name is braram
JA SVE VIDIM I ZNAM

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

The sounds and images of defiance against KFOR must be heard by the world. I urge our Serbian brothers and sisters to record, videotape and broadcast (even with mobile phones) on all medias, including youtube the actions and words of KFOR. This peaceful resistance against KFOR and Pristina-based tyranny and humiliation must be seen and heard by the world.

le le

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
Bryan..

lol chine and russia are watching whO bomb the chinis embassy in beograd lol russins don give flying f about you serbs wake up dont sleep cuz you been sleeping sins 1990 now is 2011 ok

pro-me

pre 14 godina

We are all discussing this article which talked about the soldiers threatenting to shoot the civilians -- show me where does it state that two soldiers were shot at by civiians???? -- the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone doesn't count of course.
(lowe, 29 November 2011 22:00)

Charming. Only that it was you who was painting a picture of "Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet"-style atrocities against "unarmed civilians". And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs. Don't mix up your wishful thinking of KFOR creating martyrs for your nationalistic songs and the reality.

metrod

pre 14 godina

Pristina is telling them to stop building barricades. So is Belgrade, and KFOR, and EULEX and the US.

Yet, they continue.
Who here thinks this will end in their favor?

trizo

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)
(Ari Gold, 29 November 2011 17:06)

This post takes the cake.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)"

And did you, Blero, also remembered that the cowboy Yankees, after all that swaggering, had to pay the Chinese government $28 million in compensation and the families of the Chinese victims $4.5 million? http://congressionalresearch.com/RS20547/document.php

SCP UK

pre 14 godina

Berk: "attack that village with barricades."

I didn't realise it was possible to "attack" a village with barricades. It really amazes me how some people imagine up such nonsense to defend their beloved NATO lovers.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"- Pro-me, that's different. Those KFOR soldiers are non-Serb. They don't count.
(metrod, 29 November 2011 17:51)"

Its hardly my fault if arithemetic ain't your forte or pro-me's .......

Zoran

pre 14 godina

KFOR must use lethal force if those criminals try to attack that village with barricades.
FREE CABRA!!!
(Berk., 29 November 2011 21:30)
--
LOL! The Albos are going mad. How does one attack a village with barricades?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
(pro-me, 29 November 2011 16:23)"

We are all discussing this article which talked about the soldiers threatenting to shoot the civilians -- show me where does it state that two soldiers were shot at by civiians???? -- the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone doesn't count of course.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.
(EA, 29 November 2011 14:57)
============================

Yes, sheer desperation and justice.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

the unloading of fill/gravel from any area will require a certificate from the EPA if it is required to be removed. This constitutes many environmental breaches of the law which cannot be tolerated, and shall be dealt with deadly force to applease the environmental concerns, hence the warnings
(jb, 29 November 2011 15:06)
=======================

Let's start shooting at all who don't recycle too.
How about burning wood in winter?
We have so many environmental vandals to kill and so little time.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
(pro-me, 29 November 2011 16:23)
======================

They did not say they will shoot if they are shot at but that they will shoot if they unload gravel.
When did gravel become a lethal weapon?

Berk.

pre 14 godina

It is time to liberate the village Cabra from those Serbian fascists. Those people there are strangeled by those blockades. KFOR must use lethal force if those criminals try to attack that village with barricades.

FREE CABRA!!!

Lenard

pre 14 godina

I forgot to put the link for Schultz stop or I'll shoot who let the dogs of war out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqt12XeF24A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_TnUXm26k&feature=related .

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
(Bryan, 29 November 2011 14:34)

And that is all China and Russia will do, they'll stand by and watch. So don't get your hopes up.

Military Superpowers have the ability to use hard power further than their immediate neighbours, no-one doubts China's capabilities however Russia is yet to prove itself as a military superpower or any kind of superpower for that matter.

Also I love the way you imply that China and Russia would go to war with the West over the sake of places like Kosovo and Serbia.

Anyway it is certain that Russia and China will never go to war with the west, the only war that will happen would be a second cold war and arguably there is one.

Also if KFOR do shoot, it'll be rubber bullets not live ammunition; besides KFOR should have used rubber bullets sooner, like when the K-Serbs threw petrol bombs at KFOR or when they shot at policemen.

dreaming

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
(Bryan, 29 November 2011 14:34)
It amazes me how often the Serbs use the Russian threat. It would be different if russia were responding in kind. But now to use China??? China has never, never mentioned any type of military support for Serbia against the west for any reason.
Dream on, Dream on.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

KFOR vehicles can at present only retreat to Čabra, an ethnic Albanian village
--
Oh, poor NATO have managed to get themselves blocked. Well, at least they can go to that Albanian village and maybe they'll even get flowers thrown onto their vehicles, just like in WWII.

Lenard

pre 14 godina

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" Like Schultz wood say stop or I'll shoot ,who let the dogs of war out.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.
(Dragan, 29 November 2011 16:05)

Yes, totally unarmed civilians - except for firearms, molotow cocktails, stones, fireworks these 'peaceful protestors' were using against KFOR.
(Analyst, 29 November 2011 17:19)

Thanks for confirming for all that you agree with firing on unarmed protesters, that you agree with this war crime. It doesn't surprise me, your beloved NATO war criminals bombed the RTS building and killed janitors and make-up women because they were deemed a 'threat'.

n n zeka

pre 14 godina

Listen there are no peaceful protesters on this roads far away from it. Peaceful protesters don't block roads with logs, lorries, buses and anything you can thing of. This people are anarchist, have turned their own place in anarchy and they don't respect any human values.

Serbia has learned that there are other minorities living within Serbia and will have to respect their rights just like other countries do and not when ever it feels like it to ask to change the borders.
It a shame for Serbian Orthodox Church getting involved on political issues and siding with violent criminals.

Ari Gold

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.
(EA, 29 November 2011 14:57)

Isn't Kosovo a independent state?! Independence and sovereignty mean you can at least defend your borders. Be able to stand behind what you you call for. You would like the superpower to do your work for you. So far they have complied but well see how long that lasts because no one really knows.

What I do know is the Serbs in Kosovo are determined to stay and in the north they are ok with risking death. Is the superpower evil enough to shoot on unarmed civilians, we shall see. If they are then there's not much we can really do. If they are not then that means its not the 90's anymore and that geopolitical conditions have changed.

If Kosovo was just left to Serbs and Albs you guys would leave...Serbs aren't submitting against NATO-KFOR and Albanians. We know what the Albs want, they just cant pull it off without help.

Ari Gold

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)

Blero

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.

Gutless

pre 14 godina

Once again the trolls are advocating for NATO to use force against those gravel wielding Serbs, a huge and explosive threat against the supposed western military alliance in tanks, combat uniforms, helicopter, and machine guns. Wow, so it takes people with a bulldozer to cause such panic w these cowards called professional soldiers. Let's call them for what they are, paid mercenaries from albo mafia drug money. Another example of the albo gutless approach to take on the Serbs without foreign aid or intervention as they have zero ability, you remain the stain on the bottom of my drawers,

Analyst

pre 14 godina

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.
(Dragan, 29 November 2011 16:05)

Yes, totally unarmed civilians - except for firearms, molotow cocktails, stones, fireworks these 'peaceful protestors' were using against KFOR.

Daniel

pre 14 godina

Wow, the woman in the picture confronting the tank looks so frightening! I can see why KFOR threatened to use force once the local Serbs unleashed this weapon of mass distruction. Maybe she's tank in disguise. I knew the Serbs were clever but this is a new extreme, dressing tanks like people. KFOR had better react fearsely. They may even have to call in airstrikes to fend off this new weapon.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 14 godina

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" if they built a new barricade at Jagnjenica.

The lunatics have taken control of the asylum.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

KFOR has been misreported. I can categorically state that KFOR annountced that they would sh*t if the serbs dumped more gravel!

Poor old german and austrian KFOR einsatzgruppen troops just aren't made like their nazi grandfathers. This is not a surprise as particularly german troops were kept well from any danger whilst on deployment in Afghanistan. They just won't have anything comparable to the 'fun' stories their parents used to tell about being on the Eastern Front.

As for the spanish, it is clear that their announcement last month that they would withdraw all their troops from Kosovo by years end was so that they would not be part of this bestiality practiced by NATO. You won't see spanish troops doing what ze jermans and auztrian troopz are doing because they will not be asked, which means they don't have to refuse. That is how NATO functions these days, may it burn long and bright and spectacularly until there is nothing but its charcoal remains left behind.

metrod

pre 14 godina

"Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
pro-me"

- Pro-me, that's different. Those KFOR soldiers are non-Serb. They don't count.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

"KFOR: We'll shoot if Serbs unload gravel"

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?

SCP UK

pre 14 godina

Hold on, didn't NATO intervne in Libya and keen to do so in Syria because of the authorities shooting on peaceful protesters? Obviiously they don't care about human rights (and obviously they didn't intervene in Libya for those reasons).

It seems that international law applies to everyone but NATO when it suits them. There are weapons in Northern Kosovo, weapons which carry 7.62x39mm rounds. In vietnam American 5.56x45mm rounds were no match for the 7.62x39mm rounds which ended up leaving American soldiers screaming with pain before they slowly died. Do not be surprised if this happens again, these brave Serbs won't sit by while KFOR tries to slaughter them.

kujon

pre 14 godina

Bryan - unfortunately, no, neither China nor Russia are waiting. There is little help for Serbia and even International Law, UN Security Council decisions and mandates are not helping. The world has cast aside the help for Serbia and unless Serbia pays lots of money to US Lobbyists, the Serbs will be left on their own to hopefully sway public opinion and political decisions.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"KFOR: We'll shoot if Serbs unload gravel"

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!

agim

pre 14 godina

The only way to solve this situation is to take a leaf from Ante Gotovinas book, there has never been a time that anyone has been able to come to an agreement with Serbs via dialogue.

Unfortunately force is the only thing they tend to understand.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 14 godina

What happened to "wait until the winter and the Serbs will lose their resolve"? Now that they've adopted "stop or we'll shoot" KFOR has just ratcheted up the conflict. Germans have a hard time dealing with people defying them.

jb

pre 14 godina

the unloading of fill/gravel from any area will require a certificate from the EPA if it is required to be removed. This constitutes many environmental breaches of the law which cannot be tolerated, and shall be dealt with deadly force to applease the environmental concerns, hence the warnings

exKFOR

pre 14 godina

Shoot? at whom, for what, for unloading gravel - which is not any kind of life (health) threatening act against KFOR members?this German must have gone bananas... Those kind of ROE is clearly against GC-s and Serbs are entitled to shoot back. Though, back in 2004 initially we were not allowed to reponse properly against marauding "illyrians", at the end common sense prevailed - in Kosovska Mitrovica alone at least 4 UCK snipers got free tickets to ...how many virgins.

will

pre 14 godina

It is seems as if this is the only way to respond to the serbian mob holding Northern Kosovo hostage. They have to learn the hard way that they can't use force without being subjected to force by KFOR. They were not peaceful at all. They shot KAFOR soldiers, attacked them, and still thought they were 'peaceful'. The serbian media is to be blamed in this case, that they did not show a realistic picture of the entire situation, but still went on saying that it is right the way Serbs act in Northern Kosovo. The international community had enough of serbian self-righenouness, and they have to be made aware that they will get a piece of their own medicine if they continue like that. I am glad KFOR finally puts on the boxing cloves, it is long over-due.

EA

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.

Bryan

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Like I said yesterday, the fascists are here and have now revealed it to the world. They will shoot peaceful protestors? Now they are getting very desperate. Are they attempting to achieve something before Dec 9? Too late!

Bryan

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

"KFOR: We'll shoot if Serbs unload gravel"

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.

exKFOR

pre 14 godina

Shoot? at whom, for what, for unloading gravel - which is not any kind of life (health) threatening act against KFOR members?this German must have gone bananas... Those kind of ROE is clearly against GC-s and Serbs are entitled to shoot back. Though, back in 2004 initially we were not allowed to reponse properly against marauding "illyrians", at the end common sense prevailed - in Kosovska Mitrovica alone at least 4 UCK snipers got free tickets to ...how many virgins.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Like I said yesterday, the fascists are here and have now revealed it to the world. They will shoot peaceful protestors? Now they are getting very desperate. Are they attempting to achieve something before Dec 9? Too late!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 14 godina

What happened to "wait until the winter and the Serbs will lose their resolve"? Now that they've adopted "stop or we'll shoot" KFOR has just ratcheted up the conflict. Germans have a hard time dealing with people defying them.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"KFOR: We'll shoot if Serbs unload gravel"

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!

Ari Gold

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)

SCP UK

pre 14 godina

Hold on, didn't NATO intervne in Libya and keen to do so in Syria because of the authorities shooting on peaceful protesters? Obviiously they don't care about human rights (and obviously they didn't intervene in Libya for those reasons).

It seems that international law applies to everyone but NATO when it suits them. There are weapons in Northern Kosovo, weapons which carry 7.62x39mm rounds. In vietnam American 5.56x45mm rounds were no match for the 7.62x39mm rounds which ended up leaving American soldiers screaming with pain before they slowly died. Do not be surprised if this happens again, these brave Serbs won't sit by while KFOR tries to slaughter them.

Gutless

pre 14 godina

Once again the trolls are advocating for NATO to use force against those gravel wielding Serbs, a huge and explosive threat against the supposed western military alliance in tanks, combat uniforms, helicopter, and machine guns. Wow, so it takes people with a bulldozer to cause such panic w these cowards called professional soldiers. Let's call them for what they are, paid mercenaries from albo mafia drug money. Another example of the albo gutless approach to take on the Serbs without foreign aid or intervention as they have zero ability, you remain the stain on the bottom of my drawers,

Niall O'Doherty

pre 14 godina

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" if they built a new barricade at Jagnjenica.

The lunatics have taken control of the asylum.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

KFOR has been misreported. I can categorically state that KFOR annountced that they would sh*t if the serbs dumped more gravel!

Poor old german and austrian KFOR einsatzgruppen troops just aren't made like their nazi grandfathers. This is not a surprise as particularly german troops were kept well from any danger whilst on deployment in Afghanistan. They just won't have anything comparable to the 'fun' stories their parents used to tell about being on the Eastern Front.

As for the spanish, it is clear that their announcement last month that they would withdraw all their troops from Kosovo by years end was so that they would not be part of this bestiality practiced by NATO. You won't see spanish troops doing what ze jermans and auztrian troopz are doing because they will not be asked, which means they don't have to refuse. That is how NATO functions these days, may it burn long and bright and spectacularly until there is nothing but its charcoal remains left behind.

Daniel

pre 14 godina

Wow, the woman in the picture confronting the tank looks so frightening! I can see why KFOR threatened to use force once the local Serbs unleashed this weapon of mass distruction. Maybe she's tank in disguise. I knew the Serbs were clever but this is a new extreme, dressing tanks like people. KFOR had better react fearsely. They may even have to call in airstrikes to fend off this new weapon.

agim

pre 14 godina

The only way to solve this situation is to take a leaf from Ante Gotovinas book, there has never been a time that anyone has been able to come to an agreement with Serbs via dialogue.

Unfortunately force is the only thing they tend to understand.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

KFOR must use lethal force if those criminals try to attack that village with barricades.
FREE CABRA!!!
(Berk., 29 November 2011 21:30)
--
LOL! The Albos are going mad. How does one attack a village with barricades?

metrod

pre 14 godina

"Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
pro-me"

- Pro-me, that's different. Those KFOR soldiers are non-Serb. They don't count.

n n zeka

pre 14 godina

Listen there are no peaceful protesters on this roads far away from it. Peaceful protesters don't block roads with logs, lorries, buses and anything you can thing of. This people are anarchist, have turned their own place in anarchy and they don't respect any human values.

Serbia has learned that there are other minorities living within Serbia and will have to respect their rights just like other countries do and not when ever it feels like it to ask to change the borders.
It a shame for Serbian Orthodox Church getting involved on political issues and siding with violent criminals.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?

SCP UK

pre 14 godina

Berk: "attack that village with barricades."

I didn't realise it was possible to "attack" a village with barricades. It really amazes me how some people imagine up such nonsense to defend their beloved NATO lovers.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

the unloading of fill/gravel from any area will require a certificate from the EPA if it is required to be removed. This constitutes many environmental breaches of the law which cannot be tolerated, and shall be dealt with deadly force to applease the environmental concerns, hence the warnings
(jb, 29 November 2011 15:06)
=======================

Let's start shooting at all who don't recycle too.
How about burning wood in winter?
We have so many environmental vandals to kill and so little time.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.
(EA, 29 November 2011 14:57)
============================

Yes, sheer desperation and justice.

trizo

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)
(Ari Gold, 29 November 2011 17:06)

This post takes the cake.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
(pro-me, 29 November 2011 16:23)
======================

They did not say they will shoot if they are shot at but that they will shoot if they unload gravel.
When did gravel become a lethal weapon?

will

pre 14 godina

It is seems as if this is the only way to respond to the serbian mob holding Northern Kosovo hostage. They have to learn the hard way that they can't use force without being subjected to force by KFOR. They were not peaceful at all. They shot KAFOR soldiers, attacked them, and still thought they were 'peaceful'. The serbian media is to be blamed in this case, that they did not show a realistic picture of the entire situation, but still went on saying that it is right the way Serbs act in Northern Kosovo. The international community had enough of serbian self-righenouness, and they have to be made aware that they will get a piece of their own medicine if they continue like that. I am glad KFOR finally puts on the boxing cloves, it is long over-due.

Ari Gold

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.
(EA, 29 November 2011 14:57)

Isn't Kosovo a independent state?! Independence and sovereignty mean you can at least defend your borders. Be able to stand behind what you you call for. You would like the superpower to do your work for you. So far they have complied but well see how long that lasts because no one really knows.

What I do know is the Serbs in Kosovo are determined to stay and in the north they are ok with risking death. Is the superpower evil enough to shoot on unarmed civilians, we shall see. If they are then there's not much we can really do. If they are not then that means its not the 90's anymore and that geopolitical conditions have changed.

If Kosovo was just left to Serbs and Albs you guys would leave...Serbs aren't submitting against NATO-KFOR and Albanians. We know what the Albs want, they just cant pull it off without help.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.
(Dragan, 29 November 2011 16:05)

Yes, totally unarmed civilians - except for firearms, molotow cocktails, stones, fireworks these 'peaceful protestors' were using against KFOR.
(Analyst, 29 November 2011 17:19)

Thanks for confirming for all that you agree with firing on unarmed protesters, that you agree with this war crime. It doesn't surprise me, your beloved NATO war criminals bombed the RTS building and killed janitors and make-up women because they were deemed a 'threat'.

EA

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.

kujon

pre 14 godina

Bryan - unfortunately, no, neither China nor Russia are waiting. There is little help for Serbia and even International Law, UN Security Council decisions and mandates are not helping. The world has cast aside the help for Serbia and unless Serbia pays lots of money to US Lobbyists, the Serbs will be left on their own to hopefully sway public opinion and political decisions.

Analyst

pre 14 godina

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.
(Dragan, 29 November 2011 16:05)

Yes, totally unarmed civilians - except for firearms, molotow cocktails, stones, fireworks these 'peaceful protestors' were using against KFOR.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)"

And did you, Blero, also remembered that the cowboy Yankees, after all that swaggering, had to pay the Chinese government $28 million in compensation and the families of the Chinese victims $4.5 million? http://congressionalresearch.com/RS20547/document.php

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
(pro-me, 29 November 2011 16:23)"

We are all discussing this article which talked about the soldiers threatenting to shoot the civilians -- show me where does it state that two soldiers were shot at by civiians???? -- the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone doesn't count of course.

jb

pre 14 godina

the unloading of fill/gravel from any area will require a certificate from the EPA if it is required to be removed. This constitutes many environmental breaches of the law which cannot be tolerated, and shall be dealt with deadly force to applease the environmental concerns, hence the warnings

Blero

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

KFOR vehicles can at present only retreat to Čabra, an ethnic Albanian village
--
Oh, poor NATO have managed to get themselves blocked. Well, at least they can go to that Albanian village and maybe they'll even get flowers thrown onto their vehicles, just like in WWII.

Lenard

pre 14 godina

I forgot to put the link for Schultz stop or I'll shoot who let the dogs of war out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqt12XeF24A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_TnUXm26k&feature=related .

pro-me

pre 14 godina

"These KFOR soldiers are germans they were already pityfull in WWII and now they shoot at civilians. Shame on germany.
(moris, 30 November 2011 18:54)"

What is it you guys don't get? KFOR is the one that was being shot at and not the other way around. http://www.tanjug.rs/news/25584/25-kfor-soldiers-and-several-dozen-serbs-injured.htm

pro-me

pre 14 godina

On a percentage basis the EU is far, far more in debt than Serbia. I strongly suggest that you go and buy a radio.
(sj, 30 November 2011 21:59)

Is that the reason the EU wants to join Serbia? Or was it the other way around?

dreaming

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
(Bryan, 29 November 2011 14:34)
It amazes me how often the Serbs use the Russian threat. It would be different if russia were responding in kind. But now to use China??? China has never, never mentioned any type of military support for Serbia against the west for any reason.
Dream on, Dream on.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

I see .... the ones doing all the shooting were the Serbs? Despite KFor being the ones who issued the threats to shoot, and despite many Serbs being injured according to an earlier report? Did the Serbs shoot themselves or what? Pray elaborate for us your fantastic version! Its time for the Twilight Zone!
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:16)

Are you just by chance suffering from distorted reality?

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
(Bryan, 29 November 2011 14:34)

And that is all China and Russia will do, they'll stand by and watch. So don't get your hopes up.

Military Superpowers have the ability to use hard power further than their immediate neighbours, no-one doubts China's capabilities however Russia is yet to prove itself as a military superpower or any kind of superpower for that matter.

Also I love the way you imply that China and Russia would go to war with the West over the sake of places like Kosovo and Serbia.

Anyway it is certain that Russia and China will never go to war with the west, the only war that will happen would be a second cold war and arguably there is one.

Also if KFOR do shoot, it'll be rubber bullets not live ammunition; besides KFOR should have used rubber bullets sooner, like when the K-Serbs threw petrol bombs at KFOR or when they shot at policemen.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

We are all discussing this article which talked about the soldiers threatenting to shoot the civilians -- show me where does it state that two soldiers were shot at by civiians???? -- the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone doesn't count of course.
(lowe, 29 November 2011 22:00)

Charming. Only that it was you who was painting a picture of "Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet"-style atrocities against "unarmed civilians". And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs. Don't mix up your wishful thinking of KFOR creating martyrs for your nationalistic songs and the reality.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet.
The EU is BANKRUPT and falling apart, hello!!!!!!
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:44)

http://www.kolikokostakosovo.info/

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Actually I had YOU in mind when it comes to distorted reality. It was YOU who stated “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” I gave you a chance to support your statement with evidence but you failed to come up with anything credible so far other than your pathetic attempt at more insults.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 13:19)

Every reader is free to check who started insulting whom (unless "the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone" is considered to be a compliment in your place). Either you have a short memory or -as I have said earlier- are suffering from a distorted reality. It was you who brought up some imagined large style attack against unarmed civilians. (quote: "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?")
And now live with it and stop wriggling out of it.

Berk.

pre 14 godina

It is time to liberate the village Cabra from those Serbian fascists. Those people there are strangeled by those blockades. KFOR must use lethal force if those criminals try to attack that village with barricades.

FREE CABRA!!!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"- Pro-me, that's different. Those KFOR soldiers are non-Serb. They don't count.
(metrod, 29 November 2011 17:51)"

Its hardly my fault if arithemetic ain't your forte or pro-me's .......

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

One more thing, icj1. You made this statement of fact. Do you have conclusive evidence that it was really an accident?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Every reader is free to check who started insulting whom (unless "the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone" is considered to be a compliment in your place). Either you have a short memory or -as I have said earlier- are suffering from a distorted reality. It was you who brought up some imagined large style attack against unarmed civilians. (quote: "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?")
And now live with it and stop wriggling out of it.
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 13:56)"

The issue is not who started insulting whom. The issue is your failure to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” with credible proof -- and which is still not forthcoming from you up to now!

And now more distorted reality from you -- show me where did I talked about "large style attack" (your words)? In case you don't realize it, my statement "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" was a QUESTION TO YOU! You do know enough about the English language to understand what is a question mark right? (Another question here to you by the way). Or maybe you do not from what I have seen so far.

I don't deny that I have traded barbs on B92 -- but only to those whom I think had it coming to them.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Who's playing? I was dead serious when I stated that you were unable to substantiate your claims.
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:30)

Did you care to read the Tanjug link I have provided? If not do so; if you still don't believe it send in CSI Mitrovica...


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

ben

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)
(Ari Gold, 29 November 2011 17:06)

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

waooo what pagliacios...

Albanians stood in front of an enemy that WAS NOT warning to shoot but WAS shooting at site...

pro-me

pre 14 godina

"The issue is not who started insulting whom."

vs.

"other than your pathetic attempt at more insults."

LOL!
--------

The issue is your failure to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” with credible proof -- and which is still not forthcoming from you up to now!"

What "credible proof" do you need? Or have the KFOR soldiers shot themselves only to give the K-Serbs a bad name?

--------

"And now more distorted reality from you -- show me where did I talked about "large style attack" (your words)"

vs.

"Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)"

Comparing the situation to Libya etc. speaks for itself.

--------

"In case you don't realize it, my statement "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" was a QUESTION TO YOU!"

Funny, since the whole discussion started when I replied to your statement. So tell me, how could you address this question to me when I hadn't even joined the discussion???

--------

"You do know enough about the English language to understand what is a question mark right? (Another question here to you by the way). Or maybe you do not from what I have seen so far."

And once more: You are such a charming person!

And now I rest my case! Cheerio!

seeing the video

pre 14 godina

I saw yesterday the vídeo recorded by serbians about the battle when “unarmed people” fought the army… well, it was a medieval battle when a more armed group (Serbs) defied the more organized but tied by principles one. The started with the Serbian mob armed of sticks made close contact with the KFOR troops after a short time for shouting (the old way put courage on warriors pre battle) they attack the KFOR with its rods against the nato shields, the only way for stop the pressure was the pepper spray and the water cannon so after this initial struggle they withdraw for their classical maneuver on medieval battles, Guilherm used it against Harold in Hastings for dismantle the saxon line, some KFOR soldiers advanced and was caught with the second wave of serbs and need retreat fast for not be smashed, many stones was thrown against the KFOR shields, a scene was impacting here, two Serbians (more 2 meters tall and hundreds muscle kilos Serbian special forces disguised in “peaceful citizens”) attacked a poor soldier that advanced too much and only three of his comrades and perhaps some rubber bullets but certainly the understanding of the serbs that they could not kill the soldier (by political reasons of course) saved his life. End of the confrontation women was send for a goose line before the KFOR troops so the serbians collected to his command center turned a on ground hospital for little injuries and washing red eyes from pepper could analyze the results, then the last piece of propaganda, serbs show some rubber spheres 0.5cm round like “proof” of KFOR violence! Only a brain washed person put this video on YOUTUBE like Serbian propaganda, it is perfect for KFOR demonstration of the Serbian state controlled violence. The shooting was the hided question of confrontation, personally I don’t believe on small fire arms but on Serbian snipes with low caliber shotguns for moral messages KFOR need have snipers for response, the mayor don’t can survive at KFOR commandant death nor anyone at command center.
Personally I would not be a KFOR soldier on that scene, the maneuver space for KFOR troops was minimum, a big wall stood behind, there was no chance for regrouping, serbs instead had a perfect war zone for, the permission for serbs approach at contact turned the KFOR position undefensable, if grenades was used second line the defense line of KFOR troops a tiny 3 or 4 line could be smashed easy, the water cannon can be turned unoperational with a single shoot, so only the perception that the victory on ground would not be tolerated secured the peaceful serbs from his victory, be in a troop that is secured by political issues and not by its force on ground is not the ideal.
Of course the model of “peaceful citizens” against full armed troops is a piece of propaganda and political administration of the Kosovo problem (on Serbian sight), Kosovo is a full state now, the use of the Serbian minority when it is majority creating a serbian zone for confront the Kosovo state is not acceptable for longer and Belgrade have no power for send army for impose its will there are now not a civil population for be massacred but a full army for annihilate the Serbian invader so the creation of political fictions and controlled confrontation is the only escape but this is coming to end. Serbia plays like its was the only attacker player on ist gampling game for the great Serbia but soon another zones on Serbian control can be insurrect and Serbian will soon face the reality, Yugoslavia and great Serbia was gone forever, no modification on international scene will turn Serbia able of repeat the 90´s serbian action.

sj

pre 14 godina

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

What takes the cake? It’s all true. Your Albanians are cowards, it’s not racism but a long tradition and statement of fact. You are quiet while in very small numbers but become totally unbearable once in large groups.

EU prisons are full of ALBANIANS from petty theft to drug trafficking, slavery, extortion, loan sharking, you name it they have done it.

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

But throwing petrol bombs is a peaceful protest, isn't it ?
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:44)

If Serbs do it, than yes it is considered protesting peacefully; however if anyone else does it, it is considered terrorism. Same applies to shooting police officers.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Its not my fault if you are unable to substantiate what you wrote on B92.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 23:03)

Found nobody else who wants to play with you?

Lenard

pre 14 godina

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" Like Schultz wood say stop or I'll shoot ,who let the dogs of war out.

Shpetim

pre 14 godina

I really love the bravado in here. Bravery? What bravery is being shown? They know KFOR will not shoot to kill. KFOR is actually well trained and can exercise restraint. Now, had KFOR used real bullets, tanks etc...that maybe would have been brave, or rather stupid. What we have here are a bunch of people, who are very obviously living off Serb taxpayers and giving nothing back. yes...very very brave. Let them continue, they will only bankrupt you in the long run

lowe

pre 14 godina

"4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ?

China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:48)"

Still, the point is that the Yankees had to pay the victims' families, however paltry the amount may seem to you. Don't forget that the per capita income in China is still a fraction of that in Yankee Land at nominal rates.

As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

That's the Yankee version. Which not everyone swallowed without a pinch of salt.

sj

pre 14 godina

I really love the bravado in here. Bravery? What bravery is being shown? They know KFOR will not shoot to kill. KFOR is actually well trained and can exercise restraint. Now, had KFOR used real bullets, tanks etc...that maybe would have been brave, or rather stupid. What we have here are a bunch of people, who are very obviously living off Serb taxpayers and giving nothing back. yes...very very brave. Let them continue, they will only bankrupt you in the long run
(Shpetim, 30 November 2011 11:08)

And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet.
The EU is BANKRUPT and falling apart, hello!!!!!!

pro-me

pre 14 godina

So, on balance, I do not find your so called evidence credible at all. Hence before you decide to be clever and quote Einstein about infinite human stupidity -- do take a good look at yourself in the mirror first, ok?
(lowe, 1 December 2011 17:39

Done that, was pleased with what I saw. And now you should really look for somebody else who wants to waste his time with you.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Also if KFOR do shoot, it'll be rubber bullets not live ammunition; besides KFOR should have used rubber bullets sooner, like when the K-Serbs threw petrol bombs at KFOR or when they shot at policemen.
(Ian, UK, 29 November 2011 20:51)

But throwing petrol bombs is a peaceful protest, isn't it ?

Analyst

pre 14 godina

"Thanks for confirming for all that you agree with firing on unarmed" (Dragan, 29 November 2011 19:07)

I agree totally, I only don't agree what about you call 'unarmed'. Not only KFOR, even police in most countries is using rubber bullets, pepper spray and water cannons to disperse protesters when they become violent and throw stones, molotov cocktails... In case the protesters shoot with lethal weapons at the police (I don't know if this was the case here), other methods can be used for self defense - all usual practice, has nothing to do with 'war crimes'. With a dozen or so KFOR soldiers wounded, nobody can claim these protests were 'peaceful'. Oops, of course the KFOR soldiers injured themselves to blame the Serbs, how could I forget this option!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 14 godina

Yes, sheer desperation and justice.
(Peggy, 29 November 2011 21:57)

LOL sheer desperation at a lack of implementing their version of justice. I get a kick out of these keyboard warriors wishing violence and war on people they only wish they could attack. Even their idiot interior minsister Rexhepi is calling for more violence against people that are, in his warped mind, technically citizens of his country :)

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Charming. Only that it was you who was painting a picture of "Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet"-style atrocities against "unarmed civilians". And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs. Don't mix up your wishful thinking of KFOR creating martyrs for your nationalistic songs and the reality.
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 00:10)"

Charming for you maybe. But I'm sure not for the West to be caught practising double standards when it came to the treatment of civilians by governments they like and those that they don't like. And the way I see it, no amount of song and dance by you can alter this fact.

I see .... the ones doing all the shooting were the Serbs? Despite KFor being the ones who issued the threats to shoot, and despite many Serbs being injured according to an earlier report? Did the Serbs shoot themselves or what? Pray elaborate for us your fantastic version! Its time for the Twilight Zone!

sj

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)

For that little incident it cost the US plenty. Old Bill tried for days to contact the Chinese to apologies for what had happened and offer to pay compensation. Finally after 5 days Billy boy got through.
That little act of US stupidity cost them very dearly. In fact it would have been cheaper to have built the new Chinese Embassy out of solid gold than what the Us had to do.
First they paid for a complete new embassy and then they allowed the Chinese to join the WTO, which up to then was the only major bargaining chip the US had.
For semi literates like you that medicine cost the US plenty, but to you the WTO is just another brand of sasuage.

“If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy”
Of course and your US is your friend, they love Albanians??????


The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?

to analyst from exKFOR

pre 14 godina

first hello, long time no talk..LOL, last time the only thing you could respond to me was " go and read some more Bible" - honestly - I have not read that book even once!
unarmed civilians - you brought up such a question earlier in that thread - by your brethren Muslims in the ME it is understood drugged,Allahu-akbar yelling,armed with different objects (what in my home country'´s Penal Law is defined as weapons) attacking their opponents with the aim to create a wide-scale violence, for a change they shoot with firearms from amongst "civilians", and through that creating and using human shields - things what Albos did in 2004 in K-Mitrovica likewise so called Palestinians in Golan Hights...
well - once Albanian got as a prize " a bastard country" why should Serbs not engage in such modus operandi - then maybe they will get back what is theirs`?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"@ the smartest poster on B92

Whatever and now go and play with somebody else!
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 16:25)"

Its not my fault if you are unable to substantiate what you wrote on B92.

metrod

pre 14 godina

Pristina is telling them to stop building barricades. So is Belgrade, and KFOR, and EULEX and the US.

Yet, they continue.
Who here thinks this will end in their favor?

bramovich

pre 14 godina

big economical trouble in western world will force military to cut unprofitable operations kosovo ,bosnia croatia macedonia itc so do anyone is thinking that sebs will forget the biggest insult in history of mankind my name is braram
JA SVE VIDIM I ZNAM

Shpetim

pre 14 godina

"And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet. "

I have no idea which place you're describing here...it certainly isn't where I live. talking from personal experience now or what?

lowe

pre 14 godina

“Are you just by chance suffering from distorted reality?
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 12:30)”

Actually I had YOU in mind when it comes to distorted reality. It was YOU who stated “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” I gave you a chance to support your statement with evidence but you failed to come up with anything credible so far other than your pathetic attempt at more insults.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“LOL!”

Your LOL still doesn’t detract from your failure to provide credible proof to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.”


“What "credible proof" do you need? Or have the KFOR soldiers shot themselves only to give the K-Serbs a bad name?”

I need credible proof that support your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.”. Which have failed to materialize up to now. You could have saved yourself a lot of inconvenience by coming clean and admitthat you don't have the proof.



“Comparing the situation to Libya etc. speaks for itself. “

How does “Comparing the situation to Libya etc” speak for itself? Can you clarify? And you have still failed to show me where did I state “large style attack” in my previous posts.



“Funny, since the whole discussion started when I replied to your statement. So tell me, how could you address this question to me when I hadn't even joined the discussion??? “

Because you cited as your so called “evidence” that my QUESTION TO YOU "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" amounted to some “large style attack”. Which is an absurd conclusion by you, and thus evidence to me that the one suffering from a distortion of reality is yourself – hence yours being classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.



“And once more: You are such a charming person!

And now I rest my case! Cheerio!
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 15:08)”

Unfortunately truth compels me not to return your compliment!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Found nobody else who wants to play with you?
(pro-me, 1 December 2011 03:39)"

Who's playing? I was dead serious when I stated that you were unable to substantiate your claims.

icj1

pre 14 godina

The general rule is if you don’t know then shut the hell up.
(sj, 1 December 2011 12:34)

But I do know... According to a Malaysian friend of mine it was an accident and I know that Malaysia is famous source of trutful people :)

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

The sounds and images of defiance against KFOR must be heard by the world. I urge our Serbian brothers and sisters to record, videotape and broadcast (even with mobile phones) on all medias, including youtube the actions and words of KFOR. This peaceful resistance against KFOR and Pristina-based tyranny and humiliation must be seen and heard by the world.

le le

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
Bryan..

lol chine and russia are watching whO bomb the chinis embassy in beograd lol russins don give flying f about you serbs wake up dont sleep cuz you been sleeping sins 1990 now is 2011 ok

icj1

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)


The embassy was just an accident :)

icj1

pre 14 godina

And did you, Blero, also remembered that the cowboy Yankees, after all that swaggering, had to pay the Chinese government $28 million in compensation and the families of the Chinese victims $4.5 million? [link]
(lowe, 29 November 2011 22:14)

4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ?

China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 14 godina

I bet the KOsovo Albanians are jealous right now coz they cannot duplicate the same bravery as the Serbian citizens are doing right now against the armed to the teeth KFOR.

sj

pre 14 godina

(seeing the video, 30 November 2011 03:15)
You very long winded. Wish as much as you like Kosovo is not a state and nothing happens to the Serbs. This game will go on and on and frustrated Albos like you will come up with one excuse after another and every time it looks like the west will take action you will rejoice only to see you depressed again.

trizo

pre 14 godina

ја сам шумадинац брате!
(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.
(dori tirana, 30 November 2011 13:52)

Dori,

I said I am a person from Sumadija/шумадија (central Serbia) :)

aaayyy

pre 14 godina

KFOR fulfills what is written in 1244 selectively, it fulfills what suits Albanians.
Has KFOR provided opportunities for KSerbs to return to Southern parts of Kosovo and live there safely? No, it hasn't, because it is afraid of conflicts with Albanians ovar the issue.

sj

pre 14 godina

(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Where I grew up this statement is more of a sarcastic comment meaning the opposite. I apologies for any misunderstanding.

icj1

pre 14 godina

The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:33)


"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

That's the Yankee version. Which not everyone swallowed without a pinch of salt.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:19)

Oops, sorry, didn’t understand people didn’t have the sense of humor here. I’ll be serious now. Officially it was an accident.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Has KFOR provided opportunities for KSerbs to return to Southern parts of Kosovo and live there safely? No, it hasn't, because it is afraid of conflicts with Albanians ovar the issue.
(aaayyy, 30 November 2011 19:51)

Of course, that's why is removing the barricades between Kosovo and serbia to ensure the freedom of movement between Kosovo and serbia, otherwise how are people going to return ?!

sj

pre 14 godina

(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:19)
I know that living in the US is like being in a cocoon where it’s the land of milk and honey and nothing exists beyond the Golden Gate Bridge, but as Galileo said to the Catholic Church, the world is round and it’s not the centre of the universe. The same applies to the US.
Sadly your people are working in China and are paid well. You really have to get out of the US.

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:33)

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

The general rule is if you don’t know then shut the hell up.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"No sir I did not say ""The embassy was just an accident”. That is an incomplete citation :). Indeed, I like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words, but you did not quote me exactly.
(icj1, 2 December 2011 06:19)"

Well, I tried to find out what is the meaning of :) in your precious Merriam-Webster, and came up with zilch. So of course I would think it doesn't amount to anything significant in the ENGLISH language.

In any case you have still NOT provided proof to support your statement in the language that everyone on B92 understand. ""The embassy was just an accident”. And, I suspect, you will NOT be abler to do so.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Done that, was pleased with what I saw. And now you should really look for somebody else who wants to waste his time with you.
(pro-me, 2 December 2011 08:54)"

Did that and pleased with what you saw? Well, then that must be the distorted reality that you talked about! I truly rest my case!!!!

trizo

pre 14 godina

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

What takes the cake? It’s all true. Your Albanians are cowards, it’s not racism but a long tradition and statement of fact. You are quiet while in very small numbers but become totally unbearable once in large groups.

EU prisons are full of ALBANIANS from petty theft to drug trafficking, slavery, extortion, loan sharking, you name it they have done it.
(sj, 30 November 2011 10:19)

Sj,

Is your comment directed at me? If it is then I think you must have misunderstood my post saying "takes the cake" which was another way of me saying that I thought it was the best comment so far.

ја сам шумадинац брате!

sj

pre 14 godina

(pro-me, 30 November 2011 12:47)

Serbia can very easily support its people in Kosovo, but how long do you think the EU is going to support the Albos?
On a percentage basis the EU is far, far more in debt than Serbia. I strongly suggest that you go and buy a radio.

sj

pre 14 godina

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.
(dori tirana, 30 November 2011 13:52)

Try learning English first before posting. Perhaps you might read my posting about your Albanians.

sj

pre 14 godina

Is that the reason the EU wants to join Serbia? Or was it the other way around?
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 22:36)

It just amazes me how obtuse some people can be. The original purpose of joining the EU was all the money coming in upon joining, but today we are looking down the barrel of two EUs – one is for the elite (maybe five or six countries) while the rest go to the second class carriage and there is the third class for places such as Albania.

But if you know hwere all the solid gold goodies are located please feel free to tell us all.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“Oops, sorry, didn’t understand people didn’t have the sense of humor here. I’ll be serious now. Officially it was an accident.
(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:23):"

This amazing coming from someone like you who like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words. I’m now merely holding you to your own standards. On Nov 30th, you stated as a statement of fact that "The embassy was just an accident”, I then asked you whether you have conclusive evidence to support your statement. Which you were unable to provide up to now.


“That’s what I meant and the US took the money (that’s all the Yankees cared about)

PS: CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:19)”

That;s what you meant? How was my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” the SAME as your initial “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”???????

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Did you care to read the Tanjug link I have provided? If not do so; if you still don't believe it send in CSI Mitrovica...


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
(pro-me, 1 December 2011 16:38)"

Your link was a reply to moris and not to me. So how do you expect to know that it was meant for me?????

Secondly your so called evidence from that link was KFOR's claim that 25 of its soldiers were injured -- how objective would it be for you to only consider what one side said?

Thirdly your link itself also stated that "Several dozen Serbs were also injured in the incident." The words "Several dozen" would suggest that MORE Serbs than KFOR soldiers were injured.

Fourthly, how does your link prove your case that “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” ?????? Especially when the "25 injured" info was claimed by the KFOR side and not by a neutral third party? And what about the "Several dozen Serbs" who were injured according to your link? Who injured them?????? As far as I could make out rom your link, there was nobody else with them at the barricades apart from KFOR.

Lastly, this B92 article itself quoted KFOR threatening to shoot the Serbs. So if there was any intention by one party to behave violently towards the other party, it would appear that it was KFOR taking up arms against the Serbs instead of the other way round.

So, on balance, I do not find your so called evidence credible at all. Hence before you decide to be clever and quote Einstein about infinite human stupidity -- do take a good look at yourself in the mirror first, ok?

lowe

pre 14 godina

“That's exactly what I meant. That China damaged the US embassy in Beijing, and had to pay the compensation. The Yankees took the money they cared about and couldn't care less for the rest :).
(icj1, 2 December 2011 06:16)”

I already know that you are insisting that’s what you meant. However my question to you was to explain how my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” is the same as what you meant when you wrote “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”

I reread the statements many times but still don’t see the similarity and, I suspect, there really isn’t one. My statement talked about Blero and the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. I didn’t write about 4.6 million, 3 killed and 27 injured. And you didn’t write about Blero. So how can what I wrote be the same in contents as yours?

dori tirana

pre 14 godina

Sj,

Is your comment directed at me? If it is then I think you must have misunderstood my post saying "takes the cake" which was another way of me saying that I thought it was the best comment so far.

ја сам шумадинац брате!
(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Still, the point is that the Yankees had to pay the victims' families, however paltry the amount may seem to you. Don't forget that the per capita income in China is still a fraction of that in Yankee Land at nominal rates.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:08)

I don’t agree with that. The only person I trust on economic and financial analysis is B92 forums’ CE sj, and according to sj the educated Americans are rushing to work in China and I’m sure they are not taking a pay cut for that.
----------

As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:08)

That’s what I meant and the US took the money (that’s all the Yankees cared about)


PS: CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 14 godina

That;s what you meant? How was my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” the SAME as your initial “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”???????
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:47)

That's exactly what I meant. That China damaged the US embassy in Beijing, and had to pay the compensation. The Yankees took the money they cared about and couldn't care less for the rest :).

icj1

pre 14 godina

This amazing coming from someone like you who like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words. I’m now merely holding you to your own standards. On Nov 30th, you stated as a statement of fact that "The embassy was just an accident”, I then asked you whether you have conclusive evidence to support your statement. Which you were unable to provide up to now.
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:47)

No sir I did not say ""The embassy was just an accident”. That is an incomplete citation :). Indeed, I like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words, but you did not quote me exactly.

agim

pre 14 godina

The only way to solve this situation is to take a leaf from Ante Gotovinas book, there has never been a time that anyone has been able to come to an agreement with Serbs via dialogue.

Unfortunately force is the only thing they tend to understand.

EA

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.

will

pre 14 godina

It is seems as if this is the only way to respond to the serbian mob holding Northern Kosovo hostage. They have to learn the hard way that they can't use force without being subjected to force by KFOR. They were not peaceful at all. They shot KAFOR soldiers, attacked them, and still thought they were 'peaceful'. The serbian media is to be blamed in this case, that they did not show a realistic picture of the entire situation, but still went on saying that it is right the way Serbs act in Northern Kosovo. The international community had enough of serbian self-righenouness, and they have to be made aware that they will get a piece of their own medicine if they continue like that. I am glad KFOR finally puts on the boxing cloves, it is long over-due.

n n zeka

pre 14 godina

Listen there are no peaceful protesters on this roads far away from it. Peaceful protesters don't block roads with logs, lorries, buses and anything you can thing of. This people are anarchist, have turned their own place in anarchy and they don't respect any human values.

Serbia has learned that there are other minorities living within Serbia and will have to respect their rights just like other countries do and not when ever it feels like it to ask to change the borders.
It a shame for Serbian Orthodox Church getting involved on political issues and siding with violent criminals.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?

exKFOR

pre 14 godina

Shoot? at whom, for what, for unloading gravel - which is not any kind of life (health) threatening act against KFOR members?this German must have gone bananas... Those kind of ROE is clearly against GC-s and Serbs are entitled to shoot back. Though, back in 2004 initially we were not allowed to reponse properly against marauding "illyrians", at the end common sense prevailed - in Kosovska Mitrovica alone at least 4 UCK snipers got free tickets to ...how many virgins.

Bryan

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.

jb

pre 14 godina

the unloading of fill/gravel from any area will require a certificate from the EPA if it is required to be removed. This constitutes many environmental breaches of the law which cannot be tolerated, and shall be dealt with deadly force to applease the environmental concerns, hence the warnings

kujon

pre 14 godina

Bryan - unfortunately, no, neither China nor Russia are waiting. There is little help for Serbia and even International Law, UN Security Council decisions and mandates are not helping. The world has cast aside the help for Serbia and unless Serbia pays lots of money to US Lobbyists, the Serbs will be left on their own to hopefully sway public opinion and political decisions.

Analyst

pre 14 godina

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.
(Dragan, 29 November 2011 16:05)

Yes, totally unarmed civilians - except for firearms, molotow cocktails, stones, fireworks these 'peaceful protestors' were using against KFOR.

Blero

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.

Berk.

pre 14 godina

It is time to liberate the village Cabra from those Serbian fascists. Those people there are strangeled by those blockades. KFOR must use lethal force if those criminals try to attack that village with barricades.

FREE CABRA!!!

metrod

pre 14 godina

"Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
pro-me"

- Pro-me, that's different. Those KFOR soldiers are non-Serb. They don't count.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 14 godina

What happened to "wait until the winter and the Serbs will lose their resolve"? Now that they've adopted "stop or we'll shoot" KFOR has just ratcheted up the conflict. Germans have a hard time dealing with people defying them.

SCP UK

pre 14 godina

Hold on, didn't NATO intervne in Libya and keen to do so in Syria because of the authorities shooting on peaceful protesters? Obviiously they don't care about human rights (and obviously they didn't intervene in Libya for those reasons).

It seems that international law applies to everyone but NATO when it suits them. There are weapons in Northern Kosovo, weapons which carry 7.62x39mm rounds. In vietnam American 5.56x45mm rounds were no match for the 7.62x39mm rounds which ended up leaving American soldiers screaming with pain before they slowly died. Do not be surprised if this happens again, these brave Serbs won't sit by while KFOR tries to slaughter them.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Like I said yesterday, the fascists are here and have now revealed it to the world. They will shoot peaceful protestors? Now they are getting very desperate. Are they attempting to achieve something before Dec 9? Too late!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"KFOR: We'll shoot if Serbs unload gravel"

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!

Dragan

pre 14 godina

"KFOR: We'll shoot if Serbs unload gravel"

Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been
shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.

Daniel

pre 14 godina

Wow, the woman in the picture confronting the tank looks so frightening! I can see why KFOR threatened to use force once the local Serbs unleashed this weapon of mass distruction. Maybe she's tank in disguise. I knew the Serbs were clever but this is a new extreme, dressing tanks like people. KFOR had better react fearsely. They may even have to call in airstrikes to fend off this new weapon.

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
(Bryan, 29 November 2011 14:34)

And that is all China and Russia will do, they'll stand by and watch. So don't get your hopes up.

Military Superpowers have the ability to use hard power further than their immediate neighbours, no-one doubts China's capabilities however Russia is yet to prove itself as a military superpower or any kind of superpower for that matter.

Also I love the way you imply that China and Russia would go to war with the West over the sake of places like Kosovo and Serbia.

Anyway it is certain that Russia and China will never go to war with the west, the only war that will happen would be a second cold war and arguably there is one.

Also if KFOR do shoot, it'll be rubber bullets not live ammunition; besides KFOR should have used rubber bullets sooner, like when the K-Serbs threw petrol bombs at KFOR or when they shot at policemen.

Gutless

pre 14 godina

Once again the trolls are advocating for NATO to use force against those gravel wielding Serbs, a huge and explosive threat against the supposed western military alliance in tanks, combat uniforms, helicopter, and machine guns. Wow, so it takes people with a bulldozer to cause such panic w these cowards called professional soldiers. Let's call them for what they are, paid mercenaries from albo mafia drug money. Another example of the albo gutless approach to take on the Serbs without foreign aid or intervention as they have zero ability, you remain the stain on the bottom of my drawers,

Aleks

pre 14 godina

KFOR has been misreported. I can categorically state that KFOR annountced that they would sh*t if the serbs dumped more gravel!

Poor old german and austrian KFOR einsatzgruppen troops just aren't made like their nazi grandfathers. This is not a surprise as particularly german troops were kept well from any danger whilst on deployment in Afghanistan. They just won't have anything comparable to the 'fun' stories their parents used to tell about being on the Eastern Front.

As for the spanish, it is clear that their announcement last month that they would withdraw all their troops from Kosovo by years end was so that they would not be part of this bestiality practiced by NATO. You won't see spanish troops doing what ze jermans and auztrian troopz are doing because they will not be asked, which means they don't have to refuse. That is how NATO functions these days, may it burn long and bright and spectacularly until there is nothing but its charcoal remains left behind.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.
(EA, 29 November 2011 14:57)
============================

Yes, sheer desperation and justice.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
(pro-me, 29 November 2011 16:23)"

We are all discussing this article which talked about the soldiers threatenting to shoot the civilians -- show me where does it state that two soldiers were shot at by civiians???? -- the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone doesn't count of course.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"- Pro-me, that's different. Those KFOR soldiers are non-Serb. They don't count.
(metrod, 29 November 2011 17:51)"

Its hardly my fault if arithemetic ain't your forte or pro-me's .......

Ari Gold

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)

Niall O'Doherty

pre 14 godina

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" if they built a new barricade at Jagnjenica.

The lunatics have taken control of the asylum.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

the unloading of fill/gravel from any area will require a certificate from the EPA if it is required to be removed. This constitutes many environmental breaches of the law which cannot be tolerated, and shall be dealt with deadly force to applease the environmental concerns, hence the warnings
(jb, 29 November 2011 15:06)
=======================

Let's start shooting at all who don't recycle too.
How about burning wood in winter?
We have so many environmental vandals to kill and so little time.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"@ the smartest poster on B92

Whatever and now go and play with somebody else!
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 16:25)"

Its not my fault if you are unable to substantiate what you wrote on B92.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“Are you just by chance suffering from distorted reality?
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 12:30)”

Actually I had YOU in mind when it comes to distorted reality. It was YOU who stated “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” I gave you a chance to support your statement with evidence but you failed to come up with anything credible so far other than your pathetic attempt at more insults.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Shooting at unarmed civilians is a blatant war crime. The world is watching Erhard.
(Dragan, 29 November 2011 16:05)

Yes, totally unarmed civilians - except for firearms, molotow cocktails, stones, fireworks these 'peaceful protestors' were using against KFOR.
(Analyst, 29 November 2011 17:19)

Thanks for confirming for all that you agree with firing on unarmed protesters, that you agree with this war crime. It doesn't surprise me, your beloved NATO war criminals bombed the RTS building and killed janitors and make-up women because they were deemed a 'threat'.

dreaming

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
(Bryan, 29 November 2011 14:34)
It amazes me how often the Serbs use the Russian threat. It would be different if russia were responding in kind. But now to use China??? China has never, never mentioned any type of military support for Serbia against the west for any reason.
Dream on, Dream on.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Those unarmed civilians that have shot at KFOR and wounded two soldiers?
(pro-me, 29 November 2011 16:23)
======================

They did not say they will shoot if they are shot at but that they will shoot if they unload gravel.
When did gravel become a lethal weapon?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)"

And did you, Blero, also remembered that the cowboy Yankees, after all that swaggering, had to pay the Chinese government $28 million in compensation and the families of the Chinese victims $4.5 million? http://congressionalresearch.com/RS20547/document.php

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Every reader is free to check who started insulting whom (unless "the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone" is considered to be a compliment in your place). Either you have a short memory or -as I have said earlier- are suffering from a distorted reality. It was you who brought up some imagined large style attack against unarmed civilians. (quote: "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?")
And now live with it and stop wriggling out of it.
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 13:56)"

The issue is not who started insulting whom. The issue is your failure to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” with credible proof -- and which is still not forthcoming from you up to now!

And now more distorted reality from you -- show me where did I talked about "large style attack" (your words)? In case you don't realize it, my statement "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" was a QUESTION TO YOU! You do know enough about the English language to understand what is a question mark right? (Another question here to you by the way). Or maybe you do not from what I have seen so far.

I don't deny that I have traded barbs on B92 -- but only to those whom I think had it coming to them.

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

But throwing petrol bombs is a peaceful protest, isn't it ?
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:44)

If Serbs do it, than yes it is considered protesting peacefully; however if anyone else does it, it is considered terrorism. Same applies to shooting police officers.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Found nobody else who wants to play with you?
(pro-me, 1 December 2011 03:39)"

Who's playing? I was dead serious when I stated that you were unable to substantiate your claims.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Did you care to read the Tanjug link I have provided? If not do so; if you still don't believe it send in CSI Mitrovica...


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
(pro-me, 1 December 2011 16:38)"

Your link was a reply to moris and not to me. So how do you expect to know that it was meant for me?????

Secondly your so called evidence from that link was KFOR's claim that 25 of its soldiers were injured -- how objective would it be for you to only consider what one side said?

Thirdly your link itself also stated that "Several dozen Serbs were also injured in the incident." The words "Several dozen" would suggest that MORE Serbs than KFOR soldiers were injured.

Fourthly, how does your link prove your case that “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” ?????? Especially when the "25 injured" info was claimed by the KFOR side and not by a neutral third party? And what about the "Several dozen Serbs" who were injured according to your link? Who injured them?????? As far as I could make out rom your link, there was nobody else with them at the barricades apart from KFOR.

Lastly, this B92 article itself quoted KFOR threatening to shoot the Serbs. So if there was any intention by one party to behave violently towards the other party, it would appear that it was KFOR taking up arms against the Serbs instead of the other way round.

So, on balance, I do not find your so called evidence credible at all. Hence before you decide to be clever and quote Einstein about infinite human stupidity -- do take a good look at yourself in the mirror first, ok?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Done that, was pleased with what I saw. And now you should really look for somebody else who wants to waste his time with you.
(pro-me, 2 December 2011 08:54)"

Did that and pleased with what you saw? Well, then that must be the distorted reality that you talked about! I truly rest my case!!!!

Ari Gold

pre 14 godina

My appeal to KFOR would be to STOP CUDDLING the troublemakers. When these LOCAL Serbs do not give a damn about the Serbian President you can immagine what is behind them.
(EA, 29 November 2011 14:57)

Isn't Kosovo a independent state?! Independence and sovereignty mean you can at least defend your borders. Be able to stand behind what you you call for. You would like the superpower to do your work for you. So far they have complied but well see how long that lasts because no one really knows.

What I do know is the Serbs in Kosovo are determined to stay and in the north they are ok with risking death. Is the superpower evil enough to shoot on unarmed civilians, we shall see. If they are then there's not much we can really do. If they are not then that means its not the 90's anymore and that geopolitical conditions have changed.

If Kosovo was just left to Serbs and Albs you guys would leave...Serbs aren't submitting against NATO-KFOR and Albanians. We know what the Albs want, they just cant pull it off without help.

Lenard

pre 14 godina

KFOR members used loud speakers on Tuesday to warn local Serbs that they would "shoot" Like Schultz wood say stop or I'll shoot ,who let the dogs of war out.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

KFOR must use lethal force if those criminals try to attack that village with barricades.
FREE CABRA!!!
(Berk., 29 November 2011 21:30)
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LOL! The Albos are going mad. How does one attack a village with barricades?

trizo

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)
(Ari Gold, 29 November 2011 17:06)

This post takes the cake.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 14 godina

I bet the KOsovo Albanians are jealous right now coz they cannot duplicate the same bravery as the Serbian citizens are doing right now against the armed to the teeth KFOR.

Lenard

pre 14 godina

I forgot to put the link for Schultz stop or I'll shoot who let the dogs of war out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqt12XeF24A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_TnUXm26k&feature=related .

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Actually I had YOU in mind when it comes to distorted reality. It was YOU who stated “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” I gave you a chance to support your statement with evidence but you failed to come up with anything credible so far other than your pathetic attempt at more insults.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 13:19)

Every reader is free to check who started insulting whom (unless "the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone" is considered to be a compliment in your place). Either you have a short memory or -as I have said earlier- are suffering from a distorted reality. It was you who brought up some imagined large style attack against unarmed civilians. (quote: "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?")
And now live with it and stop wriggling out of it.

lowe

pre 14 godina

“LOL!”

Your LOL still doesn’t detract from your failure to provide credible proof to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.”


“What "credible proof" do you need? Or have the KFOR soldiers shot themselves only to give the K-Serbs a bad name?”

I need credible proof that support your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.”. Which have failed to materialize up to now. You could have saved yourself a lot of inconvenience by coming clean and admitthat you don't have the proof.



“Comparing the situation to Libya etc. speaks for itself. “

How does “Comparing the situation to Libya etc” speak for itself? Can you clarify? And you have still failed to show me where did I state “large style attack” in my previous posts.



“Funny, since the whole discussion started when I replied to your statement. So tell me, how could you address this question to me when I hadn't even joined the discussion??? “

Because you cited as your so called “evidence” that my QUESTION TO YOU "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" amounted to some “large style attack”. Which is an absurd conclusion by you, and thus evidence to me that the one suffering from a distortion of reality is yourself – hence yours being classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.



“And once more: You are such a charming person!

And now I rest my case! Cheerio!
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 15:08)”

Unfortunately truth compels me not to return your compliment!

lowe

pre 14 godina

“Oops, sorry, didn’t understand people didn’t have the sense of humor here. I’ll be serious now. Officially it was an accident.
(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:23):"

This amazing coming from someone like you who like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words. I’m now merely holding you to your own standards. On Nov 30th, you stated as a statement of fact that "The embassy was just an accident”, I then asked you whether you have conclusive evidence to support your statement. Which you were unable to provide up to now.


“That’s what I meant and the US took the money (that’s all the Yankees cared about)

PS: CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:19)”

That;s what you meant? How was my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” the SAME as your initial “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”???????

Analyst

pre 14 godina

"Thanks for confirming for all that you agree with firing on unarmed" (Dragan, 29 November 2011 19:07)

I agree totally, I only don't agree what about you call 'unarmed'. Not only KFOR, even police in most countries is using rubber bullets, pepper spray and water cannons to disperse protesters when they become violent and throw stones, molotov cocktails... In case the protesters shoot with lethal weapons at the police (I don't know if this was the case here), other methods can be used for self defense - all usual practice, has nothing to do with 'war crimes'. With a dozen or so KFOR soldiers wounded, nobody can claim these protests were 'peaceful'. Oops, of course the KFOR soldiers injured themselves to blame the Serbs, how could I forget this option!

seeing the video

pre 14 godina

I saw yesterday the vídeo recorded by serbians about the battle when “unarmed people” fought the army… well, it was a medieval battle when a more armed group (Serbs) defied the more organized but tied by principles one. The started with the Serbian mob armed of sticks made close contact with the KFOR troops after a short time for shouting (the old way put courage on warriors pre battle) they attack the KFOR with its rods against the nato shields, the only way for stop the pressure was the pepper spray and the water cannon so after this initial struggle they withdraw for their classical maneuver on medieval battles, Guilherm used it against Harold in Hastings for dismantle the saxon line, some KFOR soldiers advanced and was caught with the second wave of serbs and need retreat fast for not be smashed, many stones was thrown against the KFOR shields, a scene was impacting here, two Serbians (more 2 meters tall and hundreds muscle kilos Serbian special forces disguised in “peaceful citizens”) attacked a poor soldier that advanced too much and only three of his comrades and perhaps some rubber bullets but certainly the understanding of the serbs that they could not kill the soldier (by political reasons of course) saved his life. End of the confrontation women was send for a goose line before the KFOR troops so the serbians collected to his command center turned a on ground hospital for little injuries and washing red eyes from pepper could analyze the results, then the last piece of propaganda, serbs show some rubber spheres 0.5cm round like “proof” of KFOR violence! Only a brain washed person put this video on YOUTUBE like Serbian propaganda, it is perfect for KFOR demonstration of the Serbian state controlled violence. The shooting was the hided question of confrontation, personally I don’t believe on small fire arms but on Serbian snipes with low caliber shotguns for moral messages KFOR need have snipers for response, the mayor don’t can survive at KFOR commandant death nor anyone at command center.
Personally I would not be a KFOR soldier on that scene, the maneuver space for KFOR troops was minimum, a big wall stood behind, there was no chance for regrouping, serbs instead had a perfect war zone for, the permission for serbs approach at contact turned the KFOR position undefensable, if grenades was used second line the defense line of KFOR troops a tiny 3 or 4 line could be smashed easy, the water cannon can be turned unoperational with a single shoot, so only the perception that the victory on ground would not be tolerated secured the peaceful serbs from his victory, be in a troop that is secured by political issues and not by its force on ground is not the ideal.
Of course the model of “peaceful citizens” against full armed troops is a piece of propaganda and political administration of the Kosovo problem (on Serbian sight), Kosovo is a full state now, the use of the Serbian minority when it is majority creating a serbian zone for confront the Kosovo state is not acceptable for longer and Belgrade have no power for send army for impose its will there are now not a civil population for be massacred but a full army for annihilate the Serbian invader so the creation of political fictions and controlled confrontation is the only escape but this is coming to end. Serbia plays like its was the only attacker player on ist gampling game for the great Serbia but soon another zones on Serbian control can be insurrect and Serbian will soon face the reality, Yugoslavia and great Serbia was gone forever, no modification on international scene will turn Serbia able of repeat the 90´s serbian action.

ben

pre 14 godina

Wow, Albanians could never relate to this bravery. I bet you are all jealous right now. The brave and heroic Serbs outshining you yet again. Or maybe you don't care. You seem to not really care about Kosovo just happen to stumble on it. Kosovo did not know what heroin, extracted organs, sex slaves were before NATO allowed Albanians to police the province.

Kosovo will be great again :)
(Ari Gold, 29 November 2011 17:06)

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

waooo what pagliacios...

Albanians stood in front of an enemy that WAS NOT warning to shoot but WAS shooting at site...

Shpetim

pre 14 godina

I really love the bravado in here. Bravery? What bravery is being shown? They know KFOR will not shoot to kill. KFOR is actually well trained and can exercise restraint. Now, had KFOR used real bullets, tanks etc...that maybe would have been brave, or rather stupid. What we have here are a bunch of people, who are very obviously living off Serb taxpayers and giving nothing back. yes...very very brave. Let them continue, they will only bankrupt you in the long run

pro-me

pre 14 godina

"The issue is not who started insulting whom."

vs.

"other than your pathetic attempt at more insults."

LOL!
--------

The issue is your failure to back your statement “And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs.” with credible proof -- and which is still not forthcoming from you up to now!"

What "credible proof" do you need? Or have the KFOR soldiers shot themselves only to give the K-Serbs a bad name?

--------

"And now more distorted reality from you -- show me where did I talked about "large style attack" (your words)"

vs.

"Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we? I'm sure if this
were Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet, the very same West would have been shrill to the heavens by now about gross violation of human rights, army brutaility, war crimes against humanity, etc etc. The silence from them is really deafening!
(lowe, 29 November 2011 15:01)"

Comparing the situation to Libya etc. speaks for itself.

--------

"In case you don't realize it, my statement "Wow, shooting at unarmed civilians now are we?" was a QUESTION TO YOU!"

Funny, since the whole discussion started when I replied to your statement. So tell me, how could you address this question to me when I hadn't even joined the discussion???

--------

"You do know enough about the English language to understand what is a question mark right? (Another question here to you by the way). Or maybe you do not from what I have seen so far."

And once more: You are such a charming person!

And now I rest my case! Cheerio!

sj

pre 14 godina

(pro-me, 30 November 2011 12:47)

Serbia can very easily support its people in Kosovo, but how long do you think the EU is going to support the Albos?
On a percentage basis the EU is far, far more in debt than Serbia. I strongly suggest that you go and buy a radio.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

KFOR vehicles can at present only retreat to Čabra, an ethnic Albanian village
--
Oh, poor NATO have managed to get themselves blocked. Well, at least they can go to that Albanian village and maybe they'll even get flowers thrown onto their vehicles, just like in WWII.

SCP UK

pre 14 godina

Berk: "attack that village with barricades."

I didn't realise it was possible to "attack" a village with barricades. It really amazes me how some people imagine up such nonsense to defend their beloved NATO lovers.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ?

China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:48)"

Still, the point is that the Yankees had to pay the victims' families, however paltry the amount may seem to you. Don't forget that the per capita income in China is still a fraction of that in Yankee Land at nominal rates.

As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Charming. Only that it was you who was painting a picture of "Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet"-style atrocities against "unarmed civilians". And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs. Don't mix up your wishful thinking of KFOR creating martyrs for your nationalistic songs and the reality.
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 00:10)"

Charming for you maybe. But I'm sure not for the West to be caught practising double standards when it came to the treatment of civilians by governments they like and those that they don't like. And the way I see it, no amount of song and dance by you can alter this fact.

I see .... the ones doing all the shooting were the Serbs? Despite KFor being the ones who issued the threats to shoot, and despite many Serbs being injured according to an earlier report? Did the Serbs shoot themselves or what? Pray elaborate for us your fantastic version! Its time for the Twilight Zone!

sj

pre 14 godina

I really love the bravado in here. Bravery? What bravery is being shown? They know KFOR will not shoot to kill. KFOR is actually well trained and can exercise restraint. Now, had KFOR used real bullets, tanks etc...that maybe would have been brave, or rather stupid. What we have here are a bunch of people, who are very obviously living off Serb taxpayers and giving nothing back. yes...very very brave. Let them continue, they will only bankrupt you in the long run
(Shpetim, 30 November 2011 11:08)

And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet.
The EU is BANKRUPT and falling apart, hello!!!!!!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

One more thing, icj1. You made this statement of fact. Do you have conclusive evidence that it was really an accident?

to analyst from exKFOR

pre 14 godina

first hello, long time no talk..LOL, last time the only thing you could respond to me was " go and read some more Bible" - honestly - I have not read that book even once!
unarmed civilians - you brought up such a question earlier in that thread - by your brethren Muslims in the ME it is understood drugged,Allahu-akbar yelling,armed with different objects (what in my home country'´s Penal Law is defined as weapons) attacking their opponents with the aim to create a wide-scale violence, for a change they shoot with firearms from amongst "civilians", and through that creating and using human shields - things what Albos did in 2004 in K-Mitrovica likewise so called Palestinians in Golan Hights...
well - once Albanian got as a prize " a bastard country" why should Serbs not engage in such modus operandi - then maybe they will get back what is theirs`?

lowe

pre 14 godina

“That's exactly what I meant. That China damaged the US embassy in Beijing, and had to pay the compensation. The Yankees took the money they cared about and couldn't care less for the rest :).
(icj1, 2 December 2011 06:16)”

I already know that you are insisting that’s what you meant. However my question to you was to explain how my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” is the same as what you meant when you wrote “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”

I reread the statements many times but still don’t see the similarity and, I suspect, there really isn’t one. My statement talked about Blero and the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. I didn’t write about 4.6 million, 3 killed and 27 injured. And you didn’t write about Blero. So how can what I wrote be the same in contents as yours?

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

The sounds and images of defiance against KFOR must be heard by the world. I urge our Serbian brothers and sisters to record, videotape and broadcast (even with mobile phones) on all medias, including youtube the actions and words of KFOR. This peaceful resistance against KFOR and Pristina-based tyranny and humiliation must be seen and heard by the world.

Shpetim

pre 14 godina

"And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet. "

I have no idea which place you're describing here...it certainly isn't where I live. talking from personal experience now or what?

pro-me

pre 14 godina

I see .... the ones doing all the shooting were the Serbs? Despite KFor being the ones who issued the threats to shoot, and despite many Serbs being injured according to an earlier report? Did the Serbs shoot themselves or what? Pray elaborate for us your fantastic version! Its time for the Twilight Zone!
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:16)

Are you just by chance suffering from distorted reality?

trizo

pre 14 godina

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

What takes the cake? It’s all true. Your Albanians are cowards, it’s not racism but a long tradition and statement of fact. You are quiet while in very small numbers but become totally unbearable once in large groups.

EU prisons are full of ALBANIANS from petty theft to drug trafficking, slavery, extortion, loan sharking, you name it they have done it.
(sj, 30 November 2011 10:19)

Sj,

Is your comment directed at me? If it is then I think you must have misunderstood my post saying "takes the cake" which was another way of me saying that I thought it was the best comment so far.

ја сам шумадинац брате!

aaayyy

pre 14 godina

KFOR fulfills what is written in 1244 selectively, it fulfills what suits Albanians.
Has KFOR provided opportunities for KSerbs to return to Southern parts of Kosovo and live there safely? No, it hasn't, because it is afraid of conflicts with Albanians ovar the issue.

sj

pre 14 godina

(icj1, 1 December 2011 04:19)
I know that living in the US is like being in a cocoon where it’s the land of milk and honey and nothing exists beyond the Golden Gate Bridge, but as Galileo said to the Catholic Church, the world is round and it’s not the centre of the universe. The same applies to the US.
Sadly your people are working in China and are paid well. You really have to get out of the US.

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:33)

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

The general rule is if you don’t know then shut the hell up.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"No sir I did not say ""The embassy was just an accident”. That is an incomplete citation :). Indeed, I like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words, but you did not quote me exactly.
(icj1, 2 December 2011 06:19)"

Well, I tried to find out what is the meaning of :) in your precious Merriam-Webster, and came up with zilch. So of course I would think it doesn't amount to anything significant in the ENGLISH language.

In any case you have still NOT provided proof to support your statement in the language that everyone on B92 understand. ""The embassy was just an accident”. And, I suspect, you will NOT be abler to do so.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

And you think that the EU has truck loads of cash to spend on this mess in Kosovo? Where do you Albanians live? It must be in a very dark and damp place where radio, TV or newspapers do not reach you let alone the internet.
The EU is BANKRUPT and falling apart, hello!!!!!!
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:44)

http://www.kolikokostakosovo.info/

sj

pre 14 godina

(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Where I grew up this statement is more of a sarcastic comment meaning the opposite. I apologies for any misunderstanding.

sj

pre 14 godina

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.
(dori tirana, 30 November 2011 13:52)

Try learning English first before posting. Perhaps you might read my posting about your Albanians.

icj1

pre 14 godina

Has KFOR provided opportunities for KSerbs to return to Southern parts of Kosovo and live there safely? No, it hasn't, because it is afraid of conflicts with Albanians ovar the issue.
(aaayyy, 30 November 2011 19:51)

Of course, that's why is removing the barricades between Kosovo and serbia to ensure the freedom of movement between Kosovo and serbia, otherwise how are people going to return ?!

icj1

pre 14 godina

This amazing coming from someone like you who like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words. I’m now merely holding you to your own standards. On Nov 30th, you stated as a statement of fact that "The embassy was just an accident”, I then asked you whether you have conclusive evidence to support your statement. Which you were unable to provide up to now.
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:47)

No sir I did not say ""The embassy was just an accident”. That is an incomplete citation :). Indeed, I like to quote people based on what they wrote and hold them to their exact words, but you did not quote me exactly.

bramovich

pre 14 godina

big economical trouble in western world will force military to cut unprofitable operations kosovo ,bosnia croatia macedonia itc so do anyone is thinking that sebs will forget the biggest insult in history of mankind my name is braram
JA SVE VIDIM I ZNAM

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 14 godina

Yes, sheer desperation and justice.
(Peggy, 29 November 2011 21:57)

LOL sheer desperation at a lack of implementing their version of justice. I get a kick out of these keyboard warriors wishing violence and war on people they only wish they could attack. Even their idiot interior minsister Rexhepi is calling for more violence against people that are, in his warped mind, technically citizens of his country :)

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

That's the Yankee version. Which not everyone swallowed without a pinch of salt.

sj

pre 14 godina

(seeing the video, 30 November 2011 03:15)
You very long winded. Wish as much as you like Kosovo is not a state and nothing happens to the Serbs. This game will go on and on and frustrated Albos like you will come up with one excuse after another and every time it looks like the west will take action you will rejoice only to see you depressed again.

dori tirana

pre 14 godina

Sj,

Is your comment directed at me? If it is then I think you must have misunderstood my post saying "takes the cake" which was another way of me saying that I thought it was the best comment so far.

ја сам шумадинац брате!
(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

"These KFOR soldiers are germans they were already pityfull in WWII and now they shoot at civilians. Shame on germany.
(moris, 30 November 2011 18:54)"

What is it you guys don't get? KFOR is the one that was being shot at and not the other way around. http://www.tanjug.rs/news/25584/25-kfor-soldiers-and-several-dozen-serbs-injured.htm

pro-me

pre 14 godina

On a percentage basis the EU is far, far more in debt than Serbia. I strongly suggest that you go and buy a radio.
(sj, 30 November 2011 21:59)

Is that the reason the EU wants to join Serbia? Or was it the other way around?

sj

pre 14 godina

Is that the reason the EU wants to join Serbia? Or was it the other way around?
(pro-me, 30 November 2011 22:36)

It just amazes me how obtuse some people can be. The original purpose of joining the EU was all the money coming in upon joining, but today we are looking down the barrel of two EUs – one is for the elite (maybe five or six countries) while the rest go to the second class carriage and there is the third class for places such as Albania.

But if you know hwere all the solid gold goodies are located please feel free to tell us all.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Who's playing? I was dead serious when I stated that you were unable to substantiate your claims.
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:30)

Did you care to read the Tanjug link I have provided? If not do so; if you still don't believe it send in CSI Mitrovica...


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

icj1

pre 14 godina

That;s what you meant? How was my statement “As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.” the SAME as your initial “4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ? China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.”???????
(lowe, 1 December 2011 15:47)

That's exactly what I meant. That China damaged the US embassy in Beijing, and had to pay the compensation. The Yankees took the money they cared about and couldn't care less for the rest :).

metrod

pre 14 godina

Pristina is telling them to stop building barricades. So is Belgrade, and KFOR, and EULEX and the US.

Yet, they continue.
Who here thinks this will end in their favor?

icj1

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)


The embassy was just an accident :)

icj1

pre 14 godina

And did you, Blero, also remembered that the cowboy Yankees, after all that swaggering, had to pay the Chinese government $28 million in compensation and the families of the Chinese victims $4.5 million? [link]
(lowe, 29 November 2011 22:14)

4.5 million for 3 killed and 27 injured ?! Is that cheap the life of a chinese, or those were Serbs ?

China also paid the US 2.87 million for damages to the US embassy.

sj

pre 14 godina

This post takes the cake.
(trizo, 29 November 2011 23:17)

What takes the cake? It’s all true. Your Albanians are cowards, it’s not racism but a long tradition and statement of fact. You are quiet while in very small numbers but become totally unbearable once in large groups.

EU prisons are full of ALBANIANS from petty theft to drug trafficking, slavery, extortion, loan sharking, you name it they have done it.

sj

pre 14 godina

Bryan ,China tasted the medicine at the same time with you if you remember.If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy.Did they renovate the ambassy by the way ? I am sure they'll be careful in the future what they say.Must have been costly for them.
(Blero, 29 November 2011 17:10)

For that little incident it cost the US plenty. Old Bill tried for days to contact the Chinese to apologies for what had happened and offer to pay compensation. Finally after 5 days Billy boy got through.
That little act of US stupidity cost them very dearly. In fact it would have been cheaper to have built the new Chinese Embassy out of solid gold than what the Us had to do.
First they paid for a complete new embassy and then they allowed the Chinese to join the WTO, which up to then was the only major bargaining chip the US had.
For semi literates like you that medicine cost the US plenty, but to you the WTO is just another brand of sasuage.

“If you think china and Russia are your friends than you do not need an enemy”
Of course and your US is your friend, they love Albanians??????


The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?

pro-me

pre 14 godina

Its not my fault if you are unable to substantiate what you wrote on B92.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 23:03)

Found nobody else who wants to play with you?

icj1

pre 14 godina

Still, the point is that the Yankees had to pay the victims' families, however paltry the amount may seem to you. Don't forget that the per capita income in China is still a fraction of that in Yankee Land at nominal rates.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:08)

I don’t agree with that. The only person I trust on economic and financial analysis is B92 forums’ CE sj, and according to sj the educated Americans are rushing to work in China and I’m sure they are not taking a pay cut for that.
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As for China paying for the US embassy, that was in Beijing. Blero was talking about the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. Methinks the Chinese didn't mind paying the Yankees though -- the US embassy damage illustrated to the Yankees how enraged the Chinese people were.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:08)

That’s what I meant and the US took the money (that’s all the Yankees cared about)


PS: CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 14 godina

The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)

It was targeted by the US intelligence, what an oxymoron, US intelligence. How can you go from being on top of the hill to half way to the bottom in less than a decade?
(sj, 30 November 2011 11:33)


"The embassy was just an accident :)
(icj1, 30 November 2011 02:41)"

That's the Yankee version. Which not everyone swallowed without a pinch of salt.
(lowe, 30 November 2011 11:19)

Oops, sorry, didn’t understand people didn’t have the sense of humor here. I’ll be serious now. Officially it was an accident.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

So, on balance, I do not find your so called evidence credible at all. Hence before you decide to be clever and quote Einstein about infinite human stupidity -- do take a good look at yourself in the mirror first, ok?
(lowe, 1 December 2011 17:39

Done that, was pleased with what I saw. And now you should really look for somebody else who wants to waste his time with you.

pro-me

pre 14 godina

We are all discussing this article which talked about the soldiers threatenting to shoot the civilians -- show me where does it state that two soldiers were shot at by civiians???? -- the figment of your imagination in your mental twilight zone doesn't count of course.
(lowe, 29 November 2011 22:00)

Charming. Only that it was you who was painting a picture of "Syria or Gaddafi's Libya or Tibet"-style atrocities against "unarmed civilians". And so far the only ones who have shot at somebody were Serbs. Don't mix up your wishful thinking of KFOR creating martyrs for your nationalistic songs and the reality.

le le

pre 14 godina

LOL! Go ahead. You want a war you will get it. Be careful for what you wish for. Who the hell do you people think you are. You come and occupy Serb land and then you threaten you will shoot them for protecting their own backyard. Bring it on. China and Russia are watching.
Bryan..

lol chine and russia are watching whO bomb the chinis embassy in beograd lol russins don give flying f about you serbs wake up dont sleep cuz you been sleeping sins 1990 now is 2011 ok

icj1

pre 14 godina

Also if KFOR do shoot, it'll be rubber bullets not live ammunition; besides KFOR should have used rubber bullets sooner, like when the K-Serbs threw petrol bombs at KFOR or when they shot at policemen.
(Ian, UK, 29 November 2011 20:51)

But throwing petrol bombs is a peaceful protest, isn't it ?

trizo

pre 14 godina

ја сам шумадинац брате!
(trizo, 30 November 2011 12:31)

Trizo what did you say to SJ? Do you explain him that you are Serb? Is a little confused this man. You have a lot to explain to him or better you have to explain him everything about this world.Don't worth.
(dori tirana, 30 November 2011 13:52)

Dori,

I said I am a person from Sumadija/шумадија (central Serbia) :)

icj1

pre 14 godina

The general rule is if you don’t know then shut the hell up.
(sj, 1 December 2011 12:34)

But I do know... According to a Malaysian friend of mine it was an accident and I know that Malaysia is famous source of trutful people :)