Police Union of Serbia and right wing movement Dveri have held a joint meeting and called on LGBT representatives to give up on the announced gay Pride Parade.
Whether they agree with homosexuality or not is their right as a citizen, but that is still not a reason to inflict violence. These hooligans have such an animal-like behaviour and I don't know why this nation tolerates this
Ataman to be honest I don't really care much for the so called morality of society. Morals change and invariably those that preach of morals are hypocrites saying one thing in public and another in private.
If our society is hypocritical then it follows we should take their 'moral' values (and invariably right wing moral organisations and media) with a pinch of salt.
I disagree with you Ataman if you are saying that opposition to the gay parade is nothing to do with religion. For some of our commenters here homosexuality is an abomination and is against God and their religion.
Exibitionaism vs more classical protest aside - actually I am closer to your opinion on this one, as I think you know, I do believe that there is a greater problem in Serbian society. That problem is that certain groups of people think it is acceptible to committ violence upon others if they disagree with them or what they do.
Those people have to understand that they do not dictate to society by threat of violence what is acceptible and what is not.
where are we, in democratic russia??
(roberto, 23 September 2011 02:35)
Depends on, who. Idiots are in their la-la land on the top of the banana tree. They have bananas but no ladder anymore to climb down. Hence no evolution.
If for you the moral or religious side of the argument is what convinces you thats fine - but I leave religious and moral judgements to countries like Iran and the right wing of the Republican Party.
(bganon, 23 September 2011 12:02)
- Sex between two adults who agree on it ("consent") has nothing to do with the religion or morale.
- Not-so-cleverly two things are mixed up here: "demo for rights" and "exhibitionist parade".
With the first the standpoint is clear. So is with the second. If the parade has anything to do with exhibiting sexual behavior - than automatically all the by-standers do become involved with the sexual act. After all, this is what exhibitionism is about. If there is no public consent, than it's immoral, period.
Example. Last year the parade in ZG was intent maybe as a "demo for rights" - but at the moment they did chose an offending slogan it became essentially an exhibitionist act. Since the majority of Zagrebians do not want to even know about these things - the verdict is "immoral", the consent wasn't there. It was a mistake to chose an offending slogan.
For the case LGBT community should just go ahead and publicly announce their plans what the march is about. The issue is very touchy, so they will need to provide the entire choreography. If there is no sexual content in the choreography - things should go ahead as there is no offense against the morale. If there is a sexual content the wide public does disagree with - sorry, ban it for good because the public would become part of a sexual act they do not want to deal with.
Example. Holding hands is not considered a sexual act, neither three times kissing. Kissing on the lips with tongue visibly involved is a sexual act. The line is clear and in this case one should not be bashful to speak clearly.
Regarding the USA - things can be both "better" or "worse". LGBT parades are hold with all kind of bizarre things - but a hetero couple merely kissing with tongues being seen could be a scandal, it is not customary. So with that half of Kiev or Moscow would be arrested, I am not even mentioning Belgrade where it would be close to 100%.
And if a lady would sit out in her garden topless like they do in Germany the sheriff will be there in few seconds. So who loves to lecture about sexual freedom in USA can save his crocodile tears about the fate of people in Central/East Europe.
Let's think about the 7-year old boy who was arrested in Colorado few years ago and put in jail because he was helping his small sister with potty issues. Both escaped at the end to Switzerland due dual citizenship, it was a diplomatic scandal with happy end but much horror in the middle.
Regarding LGBT guys/girls in BG: they are hopefully adults and do not need advice from a bigot idiot who used this opportunity to unleash his sexual frustration on Russia... which wasn't even mentioned in the article.
I think now with the police and Dveri releasing a joint statement like this we see a clear message, that the police do not want this parade to take place, most likely because they have more important work to do but also perhaps because they do not believe in it either. A cousin of mine was on duty last year in Belgrade, fortunately he was not hurt but he was sickened to have to defend such a parade, while sypathising with the angry protesters.
Finally Dacic may be actually listening to the police, that is if he does manage to have the parade cancelled.
Dragoslav 'we believe that holding of the gay parade unnecessarily jeopardizes public law and order, security of property and exposes citizens and police officers’ lives to danger'
On the basis of the same argument the Crvena Zvezda Partizan football match can also be banned. There is nothing 'lost' about comparing one event that is known to cause public order problems and cost a lot of money to police with another. In fact, its exactly the same thing.
If for you the moral or religious side of the argument is what convinces you thats fine - but I leave religious and moral judgements to countries like Iran and the right wing of the Republican Party.
Why are a couple of homosexuals walking across a few streets in Belgrade a threat to peace and security? If the idiots who actually confront them are starting the problems, then it's THEIR responsibility, not those of the homosexuals to, I dunno... March, because a couple of homosexuals walking together is the biggest problem which Serbia faces.
I mean, come on, I don't expect everyone in Serbia to suddenly welcome homosexuality with open arms. And frankly, I don't think any society ever will be like that (not for a while, anyway). But I really think that the principle of "live and let live", a principle which no one can rationally denounce, should be the basis of this event. Don't like the gays marching? Do your best to ignore them, or put up with it. It's not like they're going to be fornicating in public.
I mean, the police are, in fact, right. There are bigger problems in Serbia than a gay parade... But, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't go ahead.
Having said that, I DO respect Dveri for having the balls to outline and express their own values for the people to see, allowing citizens to make their own judgement and decisions without having to worry about some bum criticising them for being "politically incorrect"; much better than the hodge-podge technocrats populating the government halls of nearly every Western country (including the one I live in), where they do nothing but argue endlessly about asinine issues, band together as a party for the sake of it, or pander to populism in the year before an election.
Moral of the story: Unless you're directly harming someone else's life, then why can't you do it?!
I had to read this story twice I couldnt believe what I was seeing.Made me even more proud to be Serbian.Anyone who equates this parade with a football match is a little lost.
-They pointed out in a statement that the Pride Parade organizers would that way show awareness of security risks, understanding of traditional values and social responsibility.-
So glad to hear from the extremist right wingers, and the official police org., or am i just being redundant? where are we, in democratic russia?? i have already predicted some ugly violence is on its way, on the streets of belgrade, thanks directly to your, pardon the expression, democratic politicians. now the official right wing and the police union of serbia have weighed in, as if to put on the finishing touches.
the thing is, though i don't know them personally, i can promise you that the lgbt march organizers will not back down one inch. and the "democratic" govt HAS to protect them, with the whole world watching, esp.ly their precious eu.
every drop of blood will be on the hands of those govt politicians, the police union and the far-right-wingers. a sickening spectacle.
again i advise the march organizers -- security! organize! bring on any and all allies, have first aide ready, and good luck, cause you'll need it.
If the few "Serbs" behind the Pride Parade were patriots, they would call off this spectacle while Serbia is in conflict with the EU and NATO and US over Kosovo. By going forward , with the support of Serbia's enemies, they are openly and forever exposed as traitors. The genuine Serb nation will never forget. Let the Pride Parade people march....into popular oblivion. Let them wave their EU flags, mince with foreign EU sodomites and mock the Serbian Church. Meanwhile the real Serbs bravely man the barricades in Kosovo.
"They also called on ruling and opposition parties’ leaders to take political responsibility and take their stance regarding the parade so they would not shift the responsibility to police and citizens who opposed the Pride Parade."
The responsibility for possbile riots is solely in the hands of the rioters who start violence and vandalize property. What a stupid argumentation, similar to the ones who blamed the creator of the Mohammed cartoons being responsible for violence and casualties instead of the Islamist mob who isn't able to protest in a civilized and peaceful way.
Dveri is for the people as you can see. They are sitting down not with Brussels or Washington to shape their policy, but with Serbs and everyday people.
I will be voting for Dveri in the upcoming elections, I hope they Serbs realize that this is really the only party on the ticket that you have to really vote for. The other ones are either not intune with reality, old and outdated or have interests representing the sinking Titanic aka the EU and the USA.
The Police Union statement reflects the highest degree of responsibility and respect for duties. They certainly deserve our respect in return. This is the police we need and should trust, police we can proudly call OUR POLICE!
Thank you.
Dveri is for the people as you can see. They are sitting down not with Brussels or Washington to shape their policy, but with Serbs and everyday people.
I will be voting for Dveri in the upcoming elections, I hope they Serbs realize that this is really the only party on the ticket that you have to really vote for. The other ones are either not intune with reality, old and outdated or have interests representing the sinking Titanic aka the EU and the USA.
The Police Union statement reflects the highest degree of responsibility and respect for duties. They certainly deserve our respect in return. This is the police we need and should trust, police we can proudly call OUR POLICE!
Thank you.
Dragoslav 'we believe that holding of the gay parade unnecessarily jeopardizes public law and order, security of property and exposes citizens and police officers’ lives to danger'
On the basis of the same argument the Crvena Zvezda Partizan football match can also be banned. There is nothing 'lost' about comparing one event that is known to cause public order problems and cost a lot of money to police with another. In fact, its exactly the same thing.
If for you the moral or religious side of the argument is what convinces you thats fine - but I leave religious and moral judgements to countries like Iran and the right wing of the Republican Party.
If the few "Serbs" behind the Pride Parade were patriots, they would call off this spectacle while Serbia is in conflict with the EU and NATO and US over Kosovo. By going forward , with the support of Serbia's enemies, they are openly and forever exposed as traitors. The genuine Serb nation will never forget. Let the Pride Parade people march....into popular oblivion. Let them wave their EU flags, mince with foreign EU sodomites and mock the Serbian Church. Meanwhile the real Serbs bravely man the barricades in Kosovo.
"They also called on ruling and opposition parties’ leaders to take political responsibility and take their stance regarding the parade so they would not shift the responsibility to police and citizens who opposed the Pride Parade."
The responsibility for possbile riots is solely in the hands of the rioters who start violence and vandalize property. What a stupid argumentation, similar to the ones who blamed the creator of the Mohammed cartoons being responsible for violence and casualties instead of the Islamist mob who isn't able to protest in a civilized and peaceful way.
-They pointed out in a statement that the Pride Parade organizers would that way show awareness of security risks, understanding of traditional values and social responsibility.-
So glad to hear from the extremist right wingers, and the official police org., or am i just being redundant? where are we, in democratic russia?? i have already predicted some ugly violence is on its way, on the streets of belgrade, thanks directly to your, pardon the expression, democratic politicians. now the official right wing and the police union of serbia have weighed in, as if to put on the finishing touches.
the thing is, though i don't know them personally, i can promise you that the lgbt march organizers will not back down one inch. and the "democratic" govt HAS to protect them, with the whole world watching, esp.ly their precious eu.
every drop of blood will be on the hands of those govt politicians, the police union and the far-right-wingers. a sickening spectacle.
again i advise the march organizers -- security! organize! bring on any and all allies, have first aide ready, and good luck, cause you'll need it.
I had to read this story twice I couldnt believe what I was seeing.Made me even more proud to be Serbian.Anyone who equates this parade with a football match is a little lost.
Why are a couple of homosexuals walking across a few streets in Belgrade a threat to peace and security? If the idiots who actually confront them are starting the problems, then it's THEIR responsibility, not those of the homosexuals to, I dunno... March, because a couple of homosexuals walking together is the biggest problem which Serbia faces.
I mean, come on, I don't expect everyone in Serbia to suddenly welcome homosexuality with open arms. And frankly, I don't think any society ever will be like that (not for a while, anyway). But I really think that the principle of "live and let live", a principle which no one can rationally denounce, should be the basis of this event. Don't like the gays marching? Do your best to ignore them, or put up with it. It's not like they're going to be fornicating in public.
I mean, the police are, in fact, right. There are bigger problems in Serbia than a gay parade... But, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't go ahead.
Having said that, I DO respect Dveri for having the balls to outline and express their own values for the people to see, allowing citizens to make their own judgement and decisions without having to worry about some bum criticising them for being "politically incorrect"; much better than the hodge-podge technocrats populating the government halls of nearly every Western country (including the one I live in), where they do nothing but argue endlessly about asinine issues, band together as a party for the sake of it, or pander to populism in the year before an election.
Moral of the story: Unless you're directly harming someone else's life, then why can't you do it?!
I think now with the police and Dveri releasing a joint statement like this we see a clear message, that the police do not want this parade to take place, most likely because they have more important work to do but also perhaps because they do not believe in it either. A cousin of mine was on duty last year in Belgrade, fortunately he was not hurt but he was sickened to have to defend such a parade, while sypathising with the angry protesters.
Finally Dacic may be actually listening to the police, that is if he does manage to have the parade cancelled.
Ataman to be honest I don't really care much for the so called morality of society. Morals change and invariably those that preach of morals are hypocrites saying one thing in public and another in private.
If our society is hypocritical then it follows we should take their 'moral' values (and invariably right wing moral organisations and media) with a pinch of salt.
I disagree with you Ataman if you are saying that opposition to the gay parade is nothing to do with religion. For some of our commenters here homosexuality is an abomination and is against God and their religion.
Exibitionaism vs more classical protest aside - actually I am closer to your opinion on this one, as I think you know, I do believe that there is a greater problem in Serbian society. That problem is that certain groups of people think it is acceptible to committ violence upon others if they disagree with them or what they do.
Those people have to understand that they do not dictate to society by threat of violence what is acceptible and what is not.
If for you the moral or religious side of the argument is what convinces you thats fine - but I leave religious and moral judgements to countries like Iran and the right wing of the Republican Party.
(bganon, 23 September 2011 12:02)
- Sex between two adults who agree on it ("consent") has nothing to do with the religion or morale.
- Not-so-cleverly two things are mixed up here: "demo for rights" and "exhibitionist parade".
With the first the standpoint is clear. So is with the second. If the parade has anything to do with exhibiting sexual behavior - than automatically all the by-standers do become involved with the sexual act. After all, this is what exhibitionism is about. If there is no public consent, than it's immoral, period.
Example. Last year the parade in ZG was intent maybe as a "demo for rights" - but at the moment they did chose an offending slogan it became essentially an exhibitionist act. Since the majority of Zagrebians do not want to even know about these things - the verdict is "immoral", the consent wasn't there. It was a mistake to chose an offending slogan.
For the case LGBT community should just go ahead and publicly announce their plans what the march is about. The issue is very touchy, so they will need to provide the entire choreography. If there is no sexual content in the choreography - things should go ahead as there is no offense against the morale. If there is a sexual content the wide public does disagree with - sorry, ban it for good because the public would become part of a sexual act they do not want to deal with.
Example. Holding hands is not considered a sexual act, neither three times kissing. Kissing on the lips with tongue visibly involved is a sexual act. The line is clear and in this case one should not be bashful to speak clearly.
Regarding the USA - things can be both "better" or "worse". LGBT parades are hold with all kind of bizarre things - but a hetero couple merely kissing with tongues being seen could be a scandal, it is not customary. So with that half of Kiev or Moscow would be arrested, I am not even mentioning Belgrade where it would be close to 100%.
And if a lady would sit out in her garden topless like they do in Germany the sheriff will be there in few seconds. So who loves to lecture about sexual freedom in USA can save his crocodile tears about the fate of people in Central/East Europe.
Let's think about the 7-year old boy who was arrested in Colorado few years ago and put in jail because he was helping his small sister with potty issues. Both escaped at the end to Switzerland due dual citizenship, it was a diplomatic scandal with happy end but much horror in the middle.
Regarding LGBT guys/girls in BG: they are hopefully adults and do not need advice from a bigot idiot who used this opportunity to unleash his sexual frustration on Russia... which wasn't even mentioned in the article.
where are we, in democratic russia??
(roberto, 23 September 2011 02:35)
Depends on, who. Idiots are in their la-la land on the top of the banana tree. They have bananas but no ladder anymore to climb down. Hence no evolution.
Whether they agree with homosexuality or not is their right as a citizen, but that is still not a reason to inflict violence. These hooligans have such an animal-like behaviour and I don't know why this nation tolerates this
-They pointed out in a statement that the Pride Parade organizers would that way show awareness of security risks, understanding of traditional values and social responsibility.-
So glad to hear from the extremist right wingers, and the official police org., or am i just being redundant? where are we, in democratic russia?? i have already predicted some ugly violence is on its way, on the streets of belgrade, thanks directly to your, pardon the expression, democratic politicians. now the official right wing and the police union of serbia have weighed in, as if to put on the finishing touches.
the thing is, though i don't know them personally, i can promise you that the lgbt march organizers will not back down one inch. and the "democratic" govt HAS to protect them, with the whole world watching, esp.ly their precious eu.
every drop of blood will be on the hands of those govt politicians, the police union and the far-right-wingers. a sickening spectacle.
again i advise the march organizers -- security! organize! bring on any and all allies, have first aide ready, and good luck, cause you'll need it.
The Police Union statement reflects the highest degree of responsibility and respect for duties. They certainly deserve our respect in return. This is the police we need and should trust, police we can proudly call OUR POLICE!
Thank you.
If the few "Serbs" behind the Pride Parade were patriots, they would call off this spectacle while Serbia is in conflict with the EU and NATO and US over Kosovo. By going forward , with the support of Serbia's enemies, they are openly and forever exposed as traitors. The genuine Serb nation will never forget. Let the Pride Parade people march....into popular oblivion. Let them wave their EU flags, mince with foreign EU sodomites and mock the Serbian Church. Meanwhile the real Serbs bravely man the barricades in Kosovo.
Why are a couple of homosexuals walking across a few streets in Belgrade a threat to peace and security? If the idiots who actually confront them are starting the problems, then it's THEIR responsibility, not those of the homosexuals to, I dunno... March, because a couple of homosexuals walking together is the biggest problem which Serbia faces.
I mean, come on, I don't expect everyone in Serbia to suddenly welcome homosexuality with open arms. And frankly, I don't think any society ever will be like that (not for a while, anyway). But I really think that the principle of "live and let live", a principle which no one can rationally denounce, should be the basis of this event. Don't like the gays marching? Do your best to ignore them, or put up with it. It's not like they're going to be fornicating in public.
I mean, the police are, in fact, right. There are bigger problems in Serbia than a gay parade... But, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't go ahead.
Having said that, I DO respect Dveri for having the balls to outline and express their own values for the people to see, allowing citizens to make their own judgement and decisions without having to worry about some bum criticising them for being "politically incorrect"; much better than the hodge-podge technocrats populating the government halls of nearly every Western country (including the one I live in), where they do nothing but argue endlessly about asinine issues, band together as a party for the sake of it, or pander to populism in the year before an election.
Moral of the story: Unless you're directly harming someone else's life, then why can't you do it?!
I think now with the police and Dveri releasing a joint statement like this we see a clear message, that the police do not want this parade to take place, most likely because they have more important work to do but also perhaps because they do not believe in it either. A cousin of mine was on duty last year in Belgrade, fortunately he was not hurt but he was sickened to have to defend such a parade, while sypathising with the angry protesters.
Finally Dacic may be actually listening to the police, that is if he does manage to have the parade cancelled.
"They also called on ruling and opposition parties’ leaders to take political responsibility and take their stance regarding the parade so they would not shift the responsibility to police and citizens who opposed the Pride Parade."
The responsibility for possbile riots is solely in the hands of the rioters who start violence and vandalize property. What a stupid argumentation, similar to the ones who blamed the creator of the Mohammed cartoons being responsible for violence and casualties instead of the Islamist mob who isn't able to protest in a civilized and peaceful way.
I had to read this story twice I couldnt believe what I was seeing.Made me even more proud to be Serbian.Anyone who equates this parade with a football match is a little lost.
Dveri is for the people as you can see. They are sitting down not with Brussels or Washington to shape their policy, but with Serbs and everyday people.
I will be voting for Dveri in the upcoming elections, I hope they Serbs realize that this is really the only party on the ticket that you have to really vote for. The other ones are either not intune with reality, old and outdated or have interests representing the sinking Titanic aka the EU and the USA.
Dragoslav 'we believe that holding of the gay parade unnecessarily jeopardizes public law and order, security of property and exposes citizens and police officers’ lives to danger'
On the basis of the same argument the Crvena Zvezda Partizan football match can also be banned. There is nothing 'lost' about comparing one event that is known to cause public order problems and cost a lot of money to police with another. In fact, its exactly the same thing.
If for you the moral or religious side of the argument is what convinces you thats fine - but I leave religious and moral judgements to countries like Iran and the right wing of the Republican Party.
If for you the moral or religious side of the argument is what convinces you thats fine - but I leave religious and moral judgements to countries like Iran and the right wing of the Republican Party.
(bganon, 23 September 2011 12:02)
- Sex between two adults who agree on it ("consent") has nothing to do with the religion or morale.
- Not-so-cleverly two things are mixed up here: "demo for rights" and "exhibitionist parade".
With the first the standpoint is clear. So is with the second. If the parade has anything to do with exhibiting sexual behavior - than automatically all the by-standers do become involved with the sexual act. After all, this is what exhibitionism is about. If there is no public consent, than it's immoral, period.
Example. Last year the parade in ZG was intent maybe as a "demo for rights" - but at the moment they did chose an offending slogan it became essentially an exhibitionist act. Since the majority of Zagrebians do not want to even know about these things - the verdict is "immoral", the consent wasn't there. It was a mistake to chose an offending slogan.
For the case LGBT community should just go ahead and publicly announce their plans what the march is about. The issue is very touchy, so they will need to provide the entire choreography. If there is no sexual content in the choreography - things should go ahead as there is no offense against the morale. If there is a sexual content the wide public does disagree with - sorry, ban it for good because the public would become part of a sexual act they do not want to deal with.
Example. Holding hands is not considered a sexual act, neither three times kissing. Kissing on the lips with tongue visibly involved is a sexual act. The line is clear and in this case one should not be bashful to speak clearly.
Regarding the USA - things can be both "better" or "worse". LGBT parades are hold with all kind of bizarre things - but a hetero couple merely kissing with tongues being seen could be a scandal, it is not customary. So with that half of Kiev or Moscow would be arrested, I am not even mentioning Belgrade where it would be close to 100%.
And if a lady would sit out in her garden topless like they do in Germany the sheriff will be there in few seconds. So who loves to lecture about sexual freedom in USA can save his crocodile tears about the fate of people in Central/East Europe.
Let's think about the 7-year old boy who was arrested in Colorado few years ago and put in jail because he was helping his small sister with potty issues. Both escaped at the end to Switzerland due dual citizenship, it was a diplomatic scandal with happy end but much horror in the middle.
Regarding LGBT guys/girls in BG: they are hopefully adults and do not need advice from a bigot idiot who used this opportunity to unleash his sexual frustration on Russia... which wasn't even mentioned in the article.
where are we, in democratic russia??
(roberto, 23 September 2011 02:35)
Depends on, who. Idiots are in their la-la land on the top of the banana tree. They have bananas but no ladder anymore to climb down. Hence no evolution.
Ataman to be honest I don't really care much for the so called morality of society. Morals change and invariably those that preach of morals are hypocrites saying one thing in public and another in private.
If our society is hypocritical then it follows we should take their 'moral' values (and invariably right wing moral organisations and media) with a pinch of salt.
I disagree with you Ataman if you are saying that opposition to the gay parade is nothing to do with religion. For some of our commenters here homosexuality is an abomination and is against God and their religion.
Exibitionaism vs more classical protest aside - actually I am closer to your opinion on this one, as I think you know, I do believe that there is a greater problem in Serbian society. That problem is that certain groups of people think it is acceptible to committ violence upon others if they disagree with them or what they do.
Those people have to understand that they do not dictate to society by threat of violence what is acceptible and what is not.
Whether they agree with homosexuality or not is their right as a citizen, but that is still not a reason to inflict violence. These hooligans have such an animal-like behaviour and I don't know why this nation tolerates this
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