U.S.-Balkans summit without Serbia

Reading this story gives me great pleasure!

Wow! What a wonderful summit it will be.

By the way, where are the Serbians, Slovenians and Croations?

Why would a Western Balkan Summit take place in the State of Maryland, USA.

I guess they will be playing a game of three handed euchre, or maybe even a game of concentration.

On a side note, I wonder if Serbia, Slovenia and Croatia are having a summit of their own?

This is like having a conference for the Americas without the participation of the US for the sake of a something like Colombia.

Serbia will survive and so will the US but the conference is nothing without Serbia. It is the price the US pays for short sighted decisions - they get an impoverished region that wants more handouts and miss out on the powerhouse of the Balkans, which will soon be the energy hub of the region.

In the meantime, Russia is doing great business with Serbia. Welcome Mr Putin, welcome to Serbia.

Washington is disappointed? OMG, the end of the world is coming...


the most important country of the "western balkans" is not attending? well, what is that summit worth then? =)

Bravo, Washington, for achieving a dead birth...

"U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Thomas Countryman assessed at the beginning of March that, by refusing to take part in the summit in Baltimore, Serbia sent a wrong message and disappointed Washington."
Well Mr Countryman, as you stated in Brussels a couple of weeks ago if you remember, "without Serbia present, it will only be like a coffee break without any outcome". Remember? Well, like several diplomats told you at the palace; It seems like you thought that Serbia was kidding with Kosovo. To tell you frankly, Serbia in most of our opinion will never ever give up Kosovo. They have struggled long time but you have not seen nothing yet. Most of the world is on Serbias side, negotiations came eventually, Mr Marty, election fraud, demonstrations against Eulex today with half retarded clowns in pyjamas(which has angered all EU + US who is part of Eulex). Well, lets see where this goes. To Serbs in and out of Kosovo: Today, almost all countries which took part of the bombing of a sovereign country who fought a rebellion uprise (conflict-no war) are ashamed. Ask any American. If he or she know the story, they do not want to speak about it because they are ashamed. Like most of the rest. "We bombed the wrong people". Sorry is not enough, but its a good small start.

RE; The three stooges

The three stooges FYROM, Montenegro and Kosovo decided to go to US sponsored summit without Serbia. If they had any sense, they would know that the very survival of these countries is highly dependant on trade with Serbia especially Kosovo who rely on 50% of their imports from Serbia.

So as I understand, this is a summit that Western Balkan state presidents are expected to attend ..... but apparently the Yankees are only sending their Deputy Assistant Secretary ...... what a crystal clear message that all states are not equal ..... "obey the imperial edit to show your presence. But His Most Imperial Majesty The Great Emperor Obama is too busy to see your heads of state .... but be grateful that His Majesty's has assigned His Highness The Underling Countryman to host you anyway and instruct you on what to do with your paltry economies ..... kowtow, hear and obey!

Head of the Belgrade team for the dialogue with Priština Borko Stefanović stated that Serbia's participation in the summit would undermine the country's policy on Kosovo and Metohija.

You just had a meeting with Kosova goverment officials in EU capital and you will have more meetings to come. So, what is your point in all this?
All I can say is that Serb poiticians don't know their ass from elbow.

"ICJ,UN resolution confirmed the independence of Kosovo.
(Demi, 23 March 2011 12:36)"

I didn't know there's a UN resolution that "confirmed the independence of Kosovo". Which one and which part???

As for ICJ's NON-BINDING advisory, the advice was that Pristina's udi did not violate international law. So it seems that even Eskimos in Alaska can declare independence without breaking international law .... by the way, which part of ICJ's advice "confirmed the independence of Kosovo"????

I guess Kosovo was more important than Serbia to have at the summit.

And if Serbia was so important and the ''powerhouse'' of the Balkans, the neighbouring countrys would stand behind Serbia on not to attent the summit. But hey nobody cares if Serbia is there or not. We all know who will lose on that and in the end it is the serb citizens.


It sound very stupid to my ear if you can have an dialoug with representatives of the state of Kosovo and not attend an summit where representatives of the same state are presented. I guess it is to fool the serbian people that the ''fight for Kosovo'' is still going on in Serbia when its already lost. ICJ,UN resolution confirmed the independence of Kosovo.

US-Balkan summit without the main regional countries..., don't see the point !
As to the US disappointment, well, 100ds of million of people are being disappointed day after day about their endless arrogance and thurst to create mess all around the world !

"Montenegrin President Filip Vijanović, member of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Presidency Bakir Izetbegović, Macedonian Deputy Prime Minister Vladimir Pesevski and Kosovo Deputy Prime Minister Mimoza Kusari confirmed their attendance."

-- And what about Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania? Were they invited? Have they yet to confirm their attendance, or do they have other things to do and are not showing up?

Again, something tells me the US will survive Serbia and these other countries not attending their summit workshops on how to spread potential business.

Something tells me Serbia will also manage to get by signing actual contracts of cooperation with Russia.

Our priorities are first with Russia and South Stream. The US conference is a secondary and afterthought, as the US remains an supporter of terrorism in the form of kosovo albanians.

Amusing to read the k. alb trolls celebrating our boycott...as the US has been complaining and whining about Serbia not being present. Seems like nothing is gonna get done without the powerhouse of the Balkans participating...SERBIA.

We'll get to ya when we are ready...take a number like Montenegro and Bosnia and their need for Serbia's wheat.

Serbia has got a better and summit today with real sequences and wide prospects. So there’s no need to feel upset if someone else puts it’s own vassals together. In this fast changing world we just need to be more patient and firm to deserve a better fate. Without Serbia Balkans are just South of Europe. The only thing that really disappoints me is Montenegro’s elite. Looks like they have a Yushenko of their own. By the way is he still alive ?

Good!

Hopefully Serbia will abstain themselves more from these kind of summits.

GO KOSOVA!

Tung

“lol@ Iowe.

NOW the ICJ opinion is "advisory" and "nonbinding". Back when Serbia put the question to the ICJ, you were amongst those who were arguing bitterly against those, like me, who were pointing out that the ICJ was merely and advisory organ to the UNGA (which it is).

Goof.
(Danilo, 23 March 2011 18:43)”

Can you show me when was I “arguing bitterly” against you (of all people!) about ICJ being merely advisory???? Just show us 1 or 2 posts of mine as proof – it is always so easy and convenient to make sweeping allegations isn’t it? How about backing your claims with actual proof for a change?

And isn’t it utterly ironical that someone like you who can’t even differentiate between the ICJ and ICG should be making such comments about me? ….. Here! Let me refresh your memory with actual proof! Refer to your post of 16 March and my reply of 17 March. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=73247


“I love the Serbians emphasis on NON-BINDING "now". Before the decision when arrogance would not allow them to conceive of the possibility they were wrong, almost every proSerb here constantly emphasis the importance of the decision and in the international community it would be binding and once it was given Kosovo independence would be a dead issue.
So everytime I read such a comment now it brings a soft chuckle!
(tit for tat, 23 March 2011 18:42)”

Did I ever say that I was Serb or Serbian? By all means continuing chuckling …… won’t change the reality for you about ICJ’s advisory being just a non-binding advice.



“The UN resolution clearly states that dialoug should be held between two sides on an equal level. If Serbia represent it self as an state and the dialoug is on equal level then Kosovo side is also represented as a state. Do you see the big picture now in some way?

And when it comes to the ICJ verdict wich as you say is not binding, should at least be respected by Serbia who asked for the courts opinion. The declaration of independence meaning making Kosovo independent dident violate general international law and thus far if its implemented in the field it would not violate international law. It means that Kosovo had right to declare independence and that means making Kosovo independent wich it is now.

Serbia has lost moral right to Kosovo in 1998-99 and all legal and territorial right in 2008. Kosovo is independent now and represented as such.

It was Serbia who asked for the advisory opinion of the court and Serbia at least should respect the opinion.
(Demi, 23 March 2011 16:15)”

You wrote on 23 March that "ICJ,UN resolution confirmed the independence of Kosovo.” To which I asked you to clarify which resolutions of these bodies confirmed Kosovo’s independence. You are unable to cite the resolutions. I therefore must conclude now that your claims are FALSE.

I did not ask you about moral rights over Kosovo or whether Serbia is required to honor these non-binding resolution and advisory of the UNGA and ICJ respectively. They are, at the end of the day, still non-binding with no legal enforcement abilities.

The right to declare independence does not have the same meaning as saying that Kosovo is an independent state or is entitled to be an independent state. The ICJ advisory was about the declaration only. Which means probably the ethnic Albanians in, say Montenegro, can also make a similar UDI and not violate international law.

You now claim that that “The UN resolution clearly states that dialoug should be held between two sides on an equal level.” I went to read that resolution and failed to find anything that “clearly states” what you claimed about the “equal level”. Obviously this must be another FALSE claim of yours.

What that UNGA resolution did was to welcome the EU’s readiness to facilitate the process of dialogue between the 2 sides.

U.S.-Balkans summit without Serbia. It doesn't sound bad at all.

Serbia need to be more CREATIVE and moreover RATIONAL to avoid isolation.

Many of such things happen in the past, are happening now and will happen in the future.

Only by being creative and rational Serbia may overcome the inevitable isolation. Serbia CANNOT survive if the isolation continues, thus is only pragmatic to act and become rational.

As for ICJ's NON-BINDING advisory, the advice was that Pristina's udi did not violate international law. So it seems that even Eskimos in Alaska can declare independence without breaking international law .... by the way, which part of ICJ's advice "confirmed the independence of Kosovo"????
(lowe, 23 March 2011 14:25)


The UN resolution clearly states that dialoug should be held between two sides on an equal level. If Serbia represent it self as an state and the dialoug is on equal level then Kosovo side is also represented as a state. Do you see the big picture now in some way?

And when it comes to the ICJ verdict wich as you say is not binding, should at least be respected by Serbia who asked for the courts opinion. The declaration of independence meaning making Kosovo independent dident violate general international law and thus far if its implemented in the field it would not violate international law. It means that Kosovo had right to declare independence and that means making Kosovo independent wich it is now.

Serbia has lost moral right to Kosovo in 1998-99 and all legal and territorial right in 2008. Kosovo is independent now and represented as such.

It was Serbia who asked for the advisory opinion of the court and Serbia at least should respect the opinion.

Kosovo's ethnic Albanians unilaterally declared independence three years ago, but Belgrade rejected the move as an illegal act of secession.
if serbian gov and its people thing kosovo is part of serbia why they are not trying to take back remember kumanovo agreement

lol@ Iowe.

NOW the ICJ opinion is "advisory" and "nonbinding". Back when Serbia put the question to the ICJ, you were amongst those who were arguing bitterly against those, like me, who were pointing out that the ICJ was merely and advisory organ to the UNGA (which it is).

Goof.

I love reading the comments about Serbia the powerhousE. What a joke. Read the analysis of cablegates. You Serbs will underStand what you ally Putin wants to do to you.

Let's see, a pitiful, helpless giant with no money to give invites 2 pitiful welfare states and a helpless province who need money to a meeting away from the washington media. Yeah, that's historic. I can imagine what the giant is saying to those termites: "We failed to upstage Putin, so have a drink on us and go home."

More like a 'wrong massage' Mr. Y. Doodle Dandy. Did he expect Serbia to turn up and ask the 'customer' what he 'likes' and give him a run down of the prices? Unlike the other 'attendees', Serbia chose not to offer 'services'. Major credit due to Serbia.

More to the point, so what was the result of this summit apart from platitudes, an all expenses paid trip by the priviledged authorities and some ego massaging? Where's the money bi**h? Thought not.

''The three stooges FYROM, Montenegro and Kosovo decided to go to US sponsored summit without Serbia. If they had any sense, they would know that the very survival of these countries is highly dependant on trade with Serbia especially Kosovo who rely on 50% of their imports from Serbia.
(Jugoslavija, 23 March 2011 19:44) ''

Of course, according to serbiana.com...all balkans depend on serbia.

Ironic though, if 50% of products in Kosovo market are serbian, then it is serbia that is depended on Kosovo, because, Kosovo money goes to serb pockets...but not to worry, the more the domestic Albanian light industry develops , the sooner Kosovo will totally avoid buying serbian products... yet i doubt 50% of products in Kosovo market are serbian.

As for ICJ's NON-BINDING advisory, the advice was that Pristina's udi did not violate international law. So it seems that even Eskimos in Alaska can declare independence without breaking international law .... by the way, which part of ICJ's advice "confirmed the independence of Kosovo"????
(lowe, 23 March 2011 14:25)
I love the Serbians emphasis on NON-BINDING "now". Before the decision when arrogance would not allow them to conceive of the possibility they were wrong, almost every proSerb here constantly emphasis the importance of the decision and in the international community it would be binding and once it was given Kosovo independence would be a dead issue.
So everytime I read such a comment now it brings a soft chuckle!

"Ask any American. If he or she know the story, they do not want to speak about it because they are ashamed. Like most of the rest. "We bombed the wrong people". Sorry is not enough, but its a good small start.
(Staff, 23 March 2011 19:11) "

I wonder how many Americans (of non-Serbian ethnicity) you've ever talked to.

Ask any American. If he or she know the story, they do not want to speak about it because they are ashamed. Like most of the rest. "We bombed the wrong people". Sorry is not enough, but its a good small start.
(Staff, 23 March 2011 19:11)
Funny you should mention this, I just had discussions yesterday about today marking 12 years with several fellow Americans and none of them were ashamed and none of them thought we were wrong. And none of them know of anyone who is Albanian nor Serbian. I live in an area that has not attracted many balkan transplants. A few Croatians is all I know of.

In market economics the size of the market and buying power are important. Serbia is a bigger market than Macedonia, MNE and Kosvo combined. I think it is US companies missing out here. And who wants to buy toxic US debts anyway? The world is not going to fall for that trick again.

Well, this gathering is a very important if considered like it is presented, a door for increase economic ties with US, of course it have some tricky words like european course, what means exactly this? there are here a main understanding for a path to regional commerce and cooperation at continental level till a complete european integration BUT the political word is put into too so there are some traps that must be avoided. These traps are the continual attrition with the serbian realpolitik that put these countries in a tug of war where all real moves are freezed by propaganda and national serbian will, so the real concept to be discussed there is create national plataforms beyond the "serbian power machine", a very more political propaganda concept that a actual economic reallity and political one. These national plataforms are in short reduce to zero the commerce with Serbia using the US mega power for this. Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Albany should be invited for this regional political/commercial group, so would be critical mass for a strong regional molding and capacity for struggle with the continual political serbian efforts for impose its ideological vision upon the balkans. Serbia needs perceive that all efforts for create compartmental "truths" avoiding the real big picture of dismantling of Yugoslavia for local gains can be surpassed by a union of all other countries under attack on putting the on the table the exigence for total clearing of the facts, "organ traffic" is nothing without serbian moves on Kosovo be analized jointly, the cover over the serbian action on yugoslavia dismantling needs be imposed, this is the only manner for confrontation of jeremic nationalistic faries tales and the continual seaching for the political and economic strangulation of region by serbian diplomacy trying recreate the former yugoslavia now with explict serbian control.

Well, this summit is a very important one if considered like it is presented, a door for increase economic ties with US, of course it have some tricky words like european course, what means exactly this? there are here a main understanding for a path to regional commerce and cooperation at continental level till a complete european integration BUT the political word is put into too so there are some traps that must be avoided. These traps are the continual attrition with the serbian realpolitik that put these countries in a tug of war where all real moves are freezed by propaganda and national serbian will, so the real concept to be discussed there is create national plataforms beyond the "serbian power machine", a very more political propaganda concept that a actual economic and political reality. These national plataforms are in short reduce to zero the commerce with Serbia using the US mega power for this. Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Albany should be invited for this regional political/commercial group, so would be critical mass for a strong regional molding and capacity for struggle with the continual political serbian efforts for impose its ideological vision upon the balkans. Serbia needs perceive that all efforts for create compartmental "truths" avoiding the real big picture of dismantling of Yugoslavia for local gains can be surpassed by a union of all other countries under attack on putting the on the table the exigence for total clearing of the facts, "organ traffic" is nothing without serbian moves on Kosovo be analized jointly, the cover up over the serbian action on yugoslavia dismantling needs be cancelled, this is the only manner for confrontation of jeremic nationalistic faries tales and the continual seaching for the political and economic strangulation of region by serbian diplomacy trying recreate the former yugoslavia now with explict serbian control.

"By the way, where are the Serbians, Slovenians and Croations?

Why would a Western Balkan Summit take place in the State of Maryland, USA.


(Another Canadian Serb, 23 March 2011 11:08) "

Each US state has its own economic policy, and Maryland decided some years back to focus on establishing trade with the Balkans. (Maryland and BiH are Sister-States). The Croatians and Slovenians are represented at the meeting, but by businessmen, not political figures.

The Balkans minus Serbia is a bigger market than Serbia alone, so its absence only merited a polite "disappointed" response.

I forgot to add that the whole thing is also very bad for the environment, flying all the way to the States and back for some sweaty palm shakes. Looks like somebody forgot that! ;)

Coming to think of it, wouldn't it make more sense for the mountain to come to mohammed (so to speak)? If these US companies are of any reasonable size, then they would certainly have had an european presence and as such it would have been much easier to have their representatives come over to one of the Balkan capitals (and spend a bit of money there too). BS in a bag.

Good!

Hopefully Serbia will abstain themselves more from these kind of summits.

GO KOSOVA!

Tung

Head of the Belgrade team for the dialogue with Priština Borko Stefanović stated that Serbia's participation in the summit would undermine the country's policy on Kosovo and Metohija.

You just had a meeting with Kosova goverment officials in EU capital and you will have more meetings to come. So, what is your point in all this?
All I can say is that Serb poiticians don't know their ass from elbow.

I guess Kosovo was more important than Serbia to have at the summit.

And if Serbia was so important and the ''powerhouse'' of the Balkans, the neighbouring countrys would stand behind Serbia on not to attent the summit. But hey nobody cares if Serbia is there or not. We all know who will lose on that and in the end it is the serb citizens.


It sound very stupid to my ear if you can have an dialoug with representatives of the state of Kosovo and not attend an summit where representatives of the same state are presented. I guess it is to fool the serbian people that the ''fight for Kosovo'' is still going on in Serbia when its already lost. ICJ,UN resolution confirmed the independence of Kosovo.

Reading this story gives me great pleasure!

Wow! What a wonderful summit it will be.

By the way, where are the Serbians, Slovenians and Croations?

Why would a Western Balkan Summit take place in the State of Maryland, USA.

I guess they will be playing a game of three handed euchre, or maybe even a game of concentration.

On a side note, I wonder if Serbia, Slovenia and Croatia are having a summit of their own?

I love reading the comments about Serbia the powerhousE. What a joke. Read the analysis of cablegates. You Serbs will underStand what you ally Putin wants to do to you.

''The three stooges FYROM, Montenegro and Kosovo decided to go to US sponsored summit without Serbia. If they had any sense, they would know that the very survival of these countries is highly dependant on trade with Serbia especially Kosovo who rely on 50% of their imports from Serbia.
(Jugoslavija, 23 March 2011 19:44) ''

Of course, according to serbiana.com...all balkans depend on serbia.

Ironic though, if 50% of products in Kosovo market are serbian, then it is serbia that is depended on Kosovo, because, Kosovo money goes to serb pockets...but not to worry, the more the domestic Albanian light industry develops , the sooner Kosovo will totally avoid buying serbian products... yet i doubt 50% of products in Kosovo market are serbian.

"Ask any American. If he or she know the story, they do not want to speak about it because they are ashamed. Like most of the rest. "We bombed the wrong people". Sorry is not enough, but its a good small start.
(Staff, 23 March 2011 19:11) "

I wonder how many Americans (of non-Serbian ethnicity) you've ever talked to.

Serbia need to be more CREATIVE and moreover RATIONAL to avoid isolation.

Many of such things happen in the past, are happening now and will happen in the future.

Only by being creative and rational Serbia may overcome the inevitable isolation. Serbia CANNOT survive if the isolation continues, thus is only pragmatic to act and become rational.

This is like having a conference for the Americas without the participation of the US for the sake of a something like Colombia.

Serbia will survive and so will the US but the conference is nothing without Serbia. It is the price the US pays for short sighted decisions - they get an impoverished region that wants more handouts and miss out on the powerhouse of the Balkans, which will soon be the energy hub of the region.

In the meantime, Russia is doing great business with Serbia. Welcome Mr Putin, welcome to Serbia.

As for ICJ's NON-BINDING advisory, the advice was that Pristina's udi did not violate international law. So it seems that even Eskimos in Alaska can declare independence without breaking international law .... by the way, which part of ICJ's advice "confirmed the independence of Kosovo"????
(lowe, 23 March 2011 14:25)


The UN resolution clearly states that dialoug should be held between two sides on an equal level. If Serbia represent it self as an state and the dialoug is on equal level then Kosovo side is also represented as a state. Do you see the big picture now in some way?

And when it comes to the ICJ verdict wich as you say is not binding, should at least be respected by Serbia who asked for the courts opinion. The declaration of independence meaning making Kosovo independent dident violate general international law and thus far if its implemented in the field it would not violate international law. It means that Kosovo had right to declare independence and that means making Kosovo independent wich it is now.

Serbia has lost moral right to Kosovo in 1998-99 and all legal and territorial right in 2008. Kosovo is independent now and represented as such.

It was Serbia who asked for the advisory opinion of the court and Serbia at least should respect the opinion.

Ask any American. If he or she know the story, they do not want to speak about it because they are ashamed. Like most of the rest. "We bombed the wrong people". Sorry is not enough, but its a good small start.
(Staff, 23 March 2011 19:11)
Funny you should mention this, I just had discussions yesterday about today marking 12 years with several fellow Americans and none of them were ashamed and none of them thought we were wrong. And none of them know of anyone who is Albanian nor Serbian. I live in an area that has not attracted many balkan transplants. A few Croatians is all I know of.

Washington is disappointed? OMG, the end of the world is coming...


the most important country of the "western balkans" is not attending? well, what is that summit worth then? =)

Bravo, Washington, for achieving a dead birth...

U.S.-Balkans summit without Serbia. It doesn't sound bad at all.

Kosovo's ethnic Albanians unilaterally declared independence three years ago, but Belgrade rejected the move as an illegal act of secession.
if serbian gov and its people thing kosovo is part of serbia why they are not trying to take back remember kumanovo agreement

lol@ Iowe.

NOW the ICJ opinion is "advisory" and "nonbinding". Back when Serbia put the question to the ICJ, you were amongst those who were arguing bitterly against those, like me, who were pointing out that the ICJ was merely and advisory organ to the UNGA (which it is).

Goof.

So as I understand, this is a summit that Western Balkan state presidents are expected to attend ..... but apparently the Yankees are only sending their Deputy Assistant Secretary ...... what a crystal clear message that all states are not equal ..... "obey the imperial edit to show your presence. But His Most Imperial Majesty The Great Emperor Obama is too busy to see your heads of state .... but be grateful that His Majesty's has assigned His Highness The Underling Countryman to host you anyway and instruct you on what to do with your paltry economies ..... kowtow, hear and obey!

As for ICJ's NON-BINDING advisory, the advice was that Pristina's udi did not violate international law. So it seems that even Eskimos in Alaska can declare independence without breaking international law .... by the way, which part of ICJ's advice "confirmed the independence of Kosovo"????
(lowe, 23 March 2011 14:25)
I love the Serbians emphasis on NON-BINDING "now". Before the decision when arrogance would not allow them to conceive of the possibility they were wrong, almost every proSerb here constantly emphasis the importance of the decision and in the international community it would be binding and once it was given Kosovo independence would be a dead issue.
So everytime I read such a comment now it brings a soft chuckle!

"ICJ,UN resolution confirmed the independence of Kosovo.
(Demi, 23 March 2011 12:36)"

I didn't know there's a UN resolution that "confirmed the independence of Kosovo". Which one and which part???

As for ICJ's NON-BINDING advisory, the advice was that Pristina's udi did not violate international law. So it seems that even Eskimos in Alaska can declare independence without breaking international law .... by the way, which part of ICJ's advice "confirmed the independence of Kosovo"????

"U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Thomas Countryman assessed at the beginning of March that, by refusing to take part in the summit in Baltimore, Serbia sent a wrong message and disappointed Washington."
Well Mr Countryman, as you stated in Brussels a couple of weeks ago if you remember, "without Serbia present, it will only be like a coffee break without any outcome". Remember? Well, like several diplomats told you at the palace; It seems like you thought that Serbia was kidding with Kosovo. To tell you frankly, Serbia in most of our opinion will never ever give up Kosovo. They have struggled long time but you have not seen nothing yet. Most of the world is on Serbias side, negotiations came eventually, Mr Marty, election fraud, demonstrations against Eulex today with half retarded clowns in pyjamas(which has angered all EU + US who is part of Eulex). Well, lets see where this goes. To Serbs in and out of Kosovo: Today, almost all countries which took part of the bombing of a sovereign country who fought a rebellion uprise (conflict-no war) are ashamed. Ask any American. If he or she know the story, they do not want to speak about it because they are ashamed. Like most of the rest. "We bombed the wrong people". Sorry is not enough, but its a good small start.

RE; The three stooges

The three stooges FYROM, Montenegro and Kosovo decided to go to US sponsored summit without Serbia. If they had any sense, they would know that the very survival of these countries is highly dependant on trade with Serbia especially Kosovo who rely on 50% of their imports from Serbia.

Well, this summit is a very important one if considered like it is presented, a door for increase economic ties with US, of course it have some tricky words like european course, what means exactly this? there are here a main understanding for a path to regional commerce and cooperation at continental level till a complete european integration BUT the political word is put into too so there are some traps that must be avoided. These traps are the continual attrition with the serbian realpolitik that put these countries in a tug of war where all real moves are freezed by propaganda and national serbian will, so the real concept to be discussed there is create national plataforms beyond the "serbian power machine", a very more political propaganda concept that a actual economic and political reality. These national plataforms are in short reduce to zero the commerce with Serbia using the US mega power for this. Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Albany should be invited for this regional political/commercial group, so would be critical mass for a strong regional molding and capacity for struggle with the continual political serbian efforts for impose its ideological vision upon the balkans. Serbia needs perceive that all efforts for create compartmental "truths" avoiding the real big picture of dismantling of Yugoslavia for local gains can be surpassed by a union of all other countries under attack on putting the on the table the exigence for total clearing of the facts, "organ traffic" is nothing without serbian moves on Kosovo be analized jointly, the cover up over the serbian action on yugoslavia dismantling needs be cancelled, this is the only manner for confrontation of jeremic nationalistic faries tales and the continual seaching for the political and economic strangulation of region by serbian diplomacy trying recreate the former yugoslavia now with explict serbian control.

"Montenegrin President Filip Vijanović, member of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Presidency Bakir Izetbegović, Macedonian Deputy Prime Minister Vladimir Pesevski and Kosovo Deputy Prime Minister Mimoza Kusari confirmed their attendance."

-- And what about Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania? Were they invited? Have they yet to confirm their attendance, or do they have other things to do and are not showing up?

Again, something tells me the US will survive Serbia and these other countries not attending their summit workshops on how to spread potential business.

Something tells me Serbia will also manage to get by signing actual contracts of cooperation with Russia.

Let's see, a pitiful, helpless giant with no money to give invites 2 pitiful welfare states and a helpless province who need money to a meeting away from the washington media. Yeah, that's historic. I can imagine what the giant is saying to those termites: "We failed to upstage Putin, so have a drink on us and go home."

Our priorities are first with Russia and South Stream. The US conference is a secondary and afterthought, as the US remains an supporter of terrorism in the form of kosovo albanians.

Amusing to read the k. alb trolls celebrating our boycott...as the US has been complaining and whining about Serbia not being present. Seems like nothing is gonna get done without the powerhouse of the Balkans participating...SERBIA.

We'll get to ya when we are ready...take a number like Montenegro and Bosnia and their need for Serbia's wheat.

Serbia has got a better and summit today with real sequences and wide prospects. So there’s no need to feel upset if someone else puts it’s own vassals together. In this fast changing world we just need to be more patient and firm to deserve a better fate. Without Serbia Balkans are just South of Europe. The only thing that really disappoints me is Montenegro’s elite. Looks like they have a Yushenko of their own. By the way is he still alive ?

US-Balkan summit without the main regional countries..., don't see the point !
As to the US disappointment, well, 100ds of million of people are being disappointed day after day about their endless arrogance and thurst to create mess all around the world !

Well, this gathering is a very important if considered like it is presented, a door for increase economic ties with US, of course it have some tricky words like european course, what means exactly this? there are here a main understanding for a path to regional commerce and cooperation at continental level till a complete european integration BUT the political word is put into too so there are some traps that must be avoided. These traps are the continual attrition with the serbian realpolitik that put these countries in a tug of war where all real moves are freezed by propaganda and national serbian will, so the real concept to be discussed there is create national plataforms beyond the "serbian power machine", a very more political propaganda concept that a actual economic reallity and political one. These national plataforms are in short reduce to zero the commerce with Serbia using the US mega power for this. Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Albany should be invited for this regional political/commercial group, so would be critical mass for a strong regional molding and capacity for struggle with the continual political serbian efforts for impose its ideological vision upon the balkans. Serbia needs perceive that all efforts for create compartmental "truths" avoiding the real big picture of dismantling of Yugoslavia for local gains can be surpassed by a union of all other countries under attack on putting the on the table the exigence for total clearing of the facts, "organ traffic" is nothing without serbian moves on Kosovo be analized jointly, the cover over the serbian action on yugoslavia dismantling needs be imposed, this is the only manner for confrontation of jeremic nationalistic faries tales and the continual seaching for the political and economic strangulation of region by serbian diplomacy trying recreate the former yugoslavia now with explict serbian control.

“lol@ Iowe.

NOW the ICJ opinion is "advisory" and "nonbinding". Back when Serbia put the question to the ICJ, you were amongst those who were arguing bitterly against those, like me, who were pointing out that the ICJ was merely and advisory organ to the UNGA (which it is).

Goof.
(Danilo, 23 March 2011 18:43)”

Can you show me when was I “arguing bitterly” against you (of all people!) about ICJ being merely advisory???? Just show us 1 or 2 posts of mine as proof – it is always so easy and convenient to make sweeping allegations isn’t it? How about backing your claims with actual proof for a change?

And isn’t it utterly ironical that someone like you who can’t even differentiate between the ICJ and ICG should be making such comments about me? ….. Here! Let me refresh your memory with actual proof! Refer to your post of 16 March and my reply of 17 March. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=73247


“I love the Serbians emphasis on NON-BINDING "now". Before the decision when arrogance would not allow them to conceive of the possibility they were wrong, almost every proSerb here constantly emphasis the importance of the decision and in the international community it would be binding and once it was given Kosovo independence would be a dead issue.
So everytime I read such a comment now it brings a soft chuckle!
(tit for tat, 23 March 2011 18:42)”

Did I ever say that I was Serb or Serbian? By all means continuing chuckling …… won’t change the reality for you about ICJ’s advisory being just a non-binding advice.



“The UN resolution clearly states that dialoug should be held between two sides on an equal level. If Serbia represent it self as an state and the dialoug is on equal level then Kosovo side is also represented as a state. Do you see the big picture now in some way?

And when it comes to the ICJ verdict wich as you say is not binding, should at least be respected by Serbia who asked for the courts opinion. The declaration of independence meaning making Kosovo independent dident violate general international law and thus far if its implemented in the field it would not violate international law. It means that Kosovo had right to declare independence and that means making Kosovo independent wich it is now.

Serbia has lost moral right to Kosovo in 1998-99 and all legal and territorial right in 2008. Kosovo is independent now and represented as such.

It was Serbia who asked for the advisory opinion of the court and Serbia at least should respect the opinion.
(Demi, 23 March 2011 16:15)”

You wrote on 23 March that "ICJ,UN resolution confirmed the independence of Kosovo.” To which I asked you to clarify which resolutions of these bodies confirmed Kosovo’s independence. You are unable to cite the resolutions. I therefore must conclude now that your claims are FALSE.

I did not ask you about moral rights over Kosovo or whether Serbia is required to honor these non-binding resolution and advisory of the UNGA and ICJ respectively. They are, at the end of the day, still non-binding with no legal enforcement abilities.

The right to declare independence does not have the same meaning as saying that Kosovo is an independent state or is entitled to be an independent state. The ICJ advisory was about the declaration only. Which means probably the ethnic Albanians in, say Montenegro, can also make a similar UDI and not violate international law.

You now claim that that “The UN resolution clearly states that dialoug should be held between two sides on an equal level.” I went to read that resolution and failed to find anything that “clearly states” what you claimed about the “equal level”. Obviously this must be another FALSE claim of yours.

What that UNGA resolution did was to welcome the EU’s readiness to facilitate the process of dialogue between the 2 sides.

More like a 'wrong massage' Mr. Y. Doodle Dandy. Did he expect Serbia to turn up and ask the 'customer' what he 'likes' and give him a run down of the prices? Unlike the other 'attendees', Serbia chose not to offer 'services'. Major credit due to Serbia.

More to the point, so what was the result of this summit apart from platitudes, an all expenses paid trip by the priviledged authorities and some ego massaging? Where's the money bi**h? Thought not.

In market economics the size of the market and buying power are important. Serbia is a bigger market than Macedonia, MNE and Kosvo combined. I think it is US companies missing out here. And who wants to buy toxic US debts anyway? The world is not going to fall for that trick again.

"By the way, where are the Serbians, Slovenians and Croations?

Why would a Western Balkan Summit take place in the State of Maryland, USA.


(Another Canadian Serb, 23 March 2011 11:08) "

Each US state has its own economic policy, and Maryland decided some years back to focus on establishing trade with the Balkans. (Maryland and BiH are Sister-States). The Croatians and Slovenians are represented at the meeting, but by businessmen, not political figures.

The Balkans minus Serbia is a bigger market than Serbia alone, so its absence only merited a polite "disappointed" response.

I forgot to add that the whole thing is also very bad for the environment, flying all the way to the States and back for some sweaty palm shakes. Looks like somebody forgot that! ;)

Coming to think of it, wouldn't it make more sense for the mountain to come to mohammed (so to speak)? If these US companies are of any reasonable size, then they would certainly have had an european presence and as such it would have been much easier to have their representatives come over to one of the Balkan capitals (and spend a bit of money there too). BS in a bag.