Marty’s report Nazi propaganda, Thaci says

He should know all about Nazi propoganda. Albanians have a very close history of friendship and alliance with the Nazis. Serbs on the other hand, were the only people in the Balkans to fiercely oppose them.

Wonderful, his next accusation will be Marty the "anti-semite"...

Oh, the next shot. Thaci must be really in panic.

Every time he's opening his mouth, some more damage is done to the independent dream state of Kosovo. The good thing: The game will be over soon, and better times for Kosovo without Thaci will come.

So to sum it up for Thaci: This is all just racist,anti-albanian,anti-Kosovo,serbian nationalist, Milosevic,nazist propaganda spread by Serbia and Russia through Mr. Marty.
For someone whose claiming to be innocent, he's sure trying too hard to convince everybody..

HITLER was an ally of Greater Albania. Liberal Extremist elites in the EU, US & UK have replaced Germanic chauvinism with something equally odious but more popular.

Several years ago he didn't knew who's Joseph Goebbels., now he learnt the name but don't know anything about propaganda principles..

And he's even talking..

It's difficult to hurt someone if you're low moral and desperate. The Hashim Thaci's interviews are obvious cry-out and less logical day by day.

Thaci has an "abyss syndrome", nothing else.

In this crysis he even "forgot" to publish the names of the witnesses!

Now few weeks- "He's throwing empty to catch full"- Greeks use to say.

Well Thaci, why don't you go and cry to mummy? The Us is your ally - they are very quiet on all of this. Are they distancing themselves in case it all goes boom?

wow, now even the Nazi´s are being abused in order to present oneself as a civilized individual.

I´d say, that attempt failed, and the mere fact that this criminal is mentioning the Nazi´s is simply reflecting his nervousness.

poor guy, he will probably lose everything.

The 'Snake' sure sounds desperate.

I would not be surprised if I heard Thaci say that Dick Marty is a Serb who gives protection to Ratko Mladic and Hadzic. When a man is in a great distress, he acts preposterously,talks nonsense,he does not choose the terms to express his reactions. Dick Marty ,who was entitled to to make a draft report for the Council of Europe about organ harvesting and trafficking by Thaci and his KLA in Kosovo,is labelled as a fascist and Nazi by a top criminal who pretends to be exercising democracy in a self- proclaimed democratic neverland Kosovo. Thaci has promised to make Albanians, who provided Dick Marty with evidence of extracting organs from people, blush( become red). He had lots of people made red by having them slain. By the way , Mr Marty was previously appointed by the Council of Europe to lead an investigation into alleged illegal CIA secret prisons in Europe

Well Thaci, why don't you go and cry to mummy?
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:54)
Your wish came true as of magic. Very moving picture:

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/images/Thachi_Albright.jpg

The biggest insult to the Albanian people is Thaci himself. How do Albanians back this thug, who is proven to be a criminal mafioso with ties to every criminal activity in Kosovo. Just Google his name, you don't need to read Marti's reports to get an idea of who and what Hashim Thaci is. This human garbage has done more to give the Albanians a bad image in the world than any so-called Serbian propoganda ever could. Just ask anyone in the EU what they think of Albanians, and you can thank the likes of Thaci for the answers you hear.

This isn't just about Thaci and organ harvesting. This is a lot bigger as once the investigations starts it will lead to people, organ and drug trafficking across the territory of KiM and Albania, which are run by the mafia in those regions.

The can opener is ready to open the can of worms and once opened the drive to remove the criminal elements out of the region will begin. This will get very messy but it will be worthwhile!

Olli, did you afford Milosevic the same presumption - innocent till proven guitly? As I recall, Milosevic was not proven guilty in any court of law.

Anyway, re Thaci, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

that stupid comment by Thaci is like blaming the Jews or Serbs for Aushwitz or Jasenovac.

Am I mistaken or were the Croats and Albanians Nazi allies during WW2? WW2 Genocide - Albanian SS Skenderbey Division and Neo-Nazism in Croatia, sometimes called Neo-Ustashism, is a post-World War II political movement influenced by the Ustaša, a Croatian far-right organization supported by the Nazis during the war. These two boy scout divisions murdered MILLIONS.

Thaci is a gutter dweller and needs to be cast back to the dark carvern from which he came.

Hash is getting his slurs mixed up. If Marty's report was first some concoction of Russo-Serbian-Cetnik-SANU propaganda, it can't be Nazi. What next? An international Jewish conspiracy?

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)

Before you accuse someone about lack of knowledge, you should be an expert in the field which you are clearly not. The Cetniks were far from Nazi collaborators, some factions yes.

However, to enlighten yourslef on the subject, feel free to read Patriot or Traitor, David Martin which goes through the entire Tito show Trial of Draza Milhalovic.

Clearly, the Albanian state was Nazi during WWII even declaring war on the United States of America, something Serbia never did even under occupation of the Nazi's.

Comical Ali or Organic Hashish?

Wonderful, his next accusation will be Marty the "anti-semite"...
(wtf, 30 December 2010, 13:51)

BTW: as bizarre as it is - this one already landed in the forum straight on my nose. Thrown from foggy and far-away San Francisco.

Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci has compared Council of Europe Rapporteur Dick Marty’s report on human organ trade to “Nazi propaganda”.


Is Thaci maybe comparing Marty to this Croat priest? If he is he should have strong evidence or facts like this one below.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-
article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=29&nav_id=71811

It is well known that Russia and Serbia are behind the report, Marty is just a face to go with it. It is pure propaganda.

They're unable to prove that Thaci was related to the organ trade, these are just words. It is Serbia's and Russia's way of trying to stunt recognition for Kosovo; it'll give something for Jeremic to bitch about when he travels the world telling countries that they support Serbia not the other way round... putting words into their mouths.

Snake might try to play nazi ,racist card.But the fact is that 47 representatives of EU learned about his heroin capo status then organ trade in open and without bias.
47 people went home that day to hug their kids,and pray that evil like thaci never enters their own back yard.
Too late for snake to hide..:)

German-Chetnik collaboration entered a new phase after the Italian surrender, because the Germans now had to police a much larger area than before and fight the Partisans in the whole of Yugoslavia. Consequently, they significantly liberalized their policy towards the Chetniks and mobilized all Serbian nationalist forces against the Partisans. The 2nd Panzer Army oversaw these developments: the XV Army Corps was now officially allowed to utilize Chetniks troops and forge a "local alliance". The first formal and direct agreement between the German occupation forces and the Chetniks took place in early October 1943 between the 373rd Infantry Division and a detachment of Chetniks under Mane Rokvić operating in western Bosnia and Lika. The Germans subsequently even used Chetnik troops for guard duty in occupied Split, Dubrovnik, Šibenik, and Metković. Independent State of Croatia (NDH) troops were not used, despite Ustaše demands, because mass desertions of Croat troops to the Partisans rendered them unreliable. From this point on, the German occupation actually started to "openly favor" Chetnik troops to the Croat formations of the NDH

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.

Beni,
I know my history very well, thank you very much. You should open a book and learn some yourself. For instance, did you know that Draza Mihajlovic, the leader of the Chetniks, was awarded the Legion of Merit by President Harry Truman, on the recommendation by General Dwight Eisenhower? It is the highest award possible which a non-US citizen can receive. Of course you and Roberto and the rest of the anti-Serb hate mongers don't know, or refuse to accept this, because it is the truth, and the truth hurts you. The truth hurts, because truth is on the side of the Serbs, who have always been on the side of right, and your side, along with croats and bosnian muslims, were always on the side of wrong. Nothing has changed. Nothing at all. History always repeats itself, and Serbs always come out as victors in the end.
Cheers!

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.
(iliri, 30 December 2010 23:10)

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Contrary, our tension is to cut snake's head.

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)


Why don't you do some reading about when the Serbian flag was flown over the White house..?

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww-1/SerbianFlag.html

Roberto, I am struggling to believe that you are actually a Jew. I have never, in over 60 years of life, met a fellow Jew who was prepared to twist the facts of the Holocaust for any purpose, let alone to participate in a trivial and irrelevant squabble between Balkan nationalists.
(Avi, 31 December 2010 09:20)

Avi - been there, seen it, even communicated with that Jewish-born slime 1:1. What can we do? We, too, have our own rotten apples. There you see one. I am tired to say "sorry" to all Poles, Serbs, Belarus, Russians, Ukrainians who visit this site. And every single post of him is an other blow to anyone who wants to see a progress in Central / East Europe. Because these posts infuriate people and rather want them to ally with the past.

OK - once more - "Sorry for Roberto. Every time I read him I just cover my face. Apologies. Believe, the progress is NOT what this autistic person preaches here".

BTW, Avi - would be no hate-campaign against Serbia in the past and no posts like of Roberto - we would see even most radical Serbs here as very normal, very progressive people.

I was countless times in Serbia, all over the country Kosovo included and my experience with both Serbs and Albanians is million times better than what this forum reflects. And I single out Roberto here because I believe, he is the single, MOST HARMFUL person out here, more harmful than most furious Albanian or Serbian troll.

Roberto, I am struggling to believe that you are actually a Jew. I have never, in over 60 years of life, met a fellow Jew who was prepared to twist the facts of the Holocaust for any purpose, let alone to participate in a trivial and irrelevant squabble between Balkan nationalists. You must take time to reflect until you see that what you have become is very wrong. There is much more I would say if we were speaking face to face, but I hope I have given you some cause to consider the grave error of your actions.26fe

A bit ironic from Hash about the Nazi propaganda since the KLA employed very Nazi-esque methods to expel the last remaining Jews from Kosmet in 1999 (and 200,000+ Serbs, Roma, Gorani and other Yugoslav citizens for that matter).

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/interviews/prlincevic.htm

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7795

Say it aint so Captain Frisco & Hash

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.
(iliri, 30 December 2010 23:10)

You should really learn a little bit more about your leaders/War Criminals before you comment.

It was actually the albanians and Thaci's fellow murderers who gave him that wonderful name.

As for worshiping Snakes, that comes as no surprise.
Before you were worshiping animals that slithers and crawl on their bellies, now you worship a monster who murderers people for their organs.
Id say thats a BIG step backwards in your evolution.

If the Serbs were Nazis then so were the Brits, Americans French and the rest of the allies. They all had collaborators. But the vast majority of Serbs put up heroic resistance against the scourge of fascism and millions died for their belief. Meanwhile Albanians continue to spout this tripe. the Albs are trying to rewrite history again, to forget their miserable history and hijack someone elses.

"Nazi propaganda", says the heir of SS-Skanderbeg Division...

Folks,

We can hear and read heavy words from all directions, but try to remember that Thaci's still innocent. Until proven otherwise in the court of justice. So, please, show some good judgement and do not appear like a lynching mob.

Thaci may not be Mr. Brain of the Balkans, but that's no proof of his guilt.

Many on this site kept repeating over and over that it doesn't matter if these charges are true or not, the damage has already been done, and that Serbs will keep throwing mud over and over again and something will stick.
Why then are you surprised when Thaci put a name to such propaganda tactics? Do you think you have exclusive right to accusations, but no one else has the right to answer and defend himself against such baseless accusations?

"He should know all about Nazi propoganda. Albanians have a very close history of friendship and alliance with the Nazis. Serbs on the other hand, were the only people in the Balkans to fiercely oppose them.
Dragan"

- It would do you some good to go grab a book or two on the subject and start reading.

I red twice Roberto's rambling and still don't get the point. Looks like a posting of someone with big problems of his own.

Still missing the "baloney" explanation. I think, we won't see it ever. So much about integrity and honor. Touch that creature - feel the slime.

Anyone ever here did succeed to put any kind of debate with Roberto? Because I did not. The entire communication with Roberto is one-way: you say what you want - he will say totally unrelated thing, ignoring your words. It's like dealing with a pre-programed autistic robot running amok.

but home snake does not bite ...
(macedon, 31 December 2010 14:36)

LOL!

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.
(iliri, 30 December 2010 23:10)
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Contrary to your belief we did not do it to honour him or your ancestors.
We are not your ancestors and therefore do not share the same belief.
We treat snakes very differently to the way you do.

roberto
michi-game
(roberto, 30 December 2010 19:22)

Hey frisco the genious, the one that knows everything, the envoy of God, the one choosen, the one that has all the inside stories, the ultimate judge that hates the entire serb population SO much that he becomes insane in his comments...

I simply wish you a happy new year hoping that 2011 will bring you some peace inside of you.....

Happy new year to all, should 2011 bring you what you are all looking for, a peacefull and prosperous region, a region empty of ALL criminals of whatever nationality and whatever position.

Cheers

This guy's a complete douche.

never did i realize how down deep, all of the S nationalists and their allies were actually human rights advocates. it's a miracle!

ciao. Roberto

Your fact based comments are not acceptable here by those that never cared for truth.As you can see, since lunatic Dick Marty's report, many Serbs "believe" that this clears them of any wrong doing and all the massive graves ,rapes and ethnic cleansing is justified and erased.
Dick Marty is Serbia's savior who "proved" with his bizarre allegations, that civilized world was wrong from stopping Serbia's genocidal quest.
When Marty's allegations meet the evidence they will fizzle fast leaving behind Serbian nationalist high and dry and scaring the reputation of EU.

Of course it is. This is a Serb backed plan to undermine the liberty of the Kosovars. They seem to forget the atrocities they committed prior to the 1999 war. Like the nine month old baby who had just undergone heart surgery in Serbia and was kicked out of the hospital and sent to Albania. Here, thankfully, his parents met people in Elbasan who took an interest, and after hours of searching, located the medication essential for him to survive.

People like Marty and the earlier Carla del Ponti know they are stirring things up, probably through the activities of the Serbs and the Russians

# Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)--

Yes, the nationalists never let facts get in the way of history, esp. about ww2. all the serbs were fervent anti-fascists, as were all poles, germans, hungarians, croats, rumanians, ukranians... oh my god, no one ever supported the fascists, the holocaust is just one big pink cloud, that we only imagined... in our nightmares.

personally i am cautious about constantly comparing things and people to the nazis. comparisons can be made, valid ones, but after a while, it loses all resonance.

but thaci is clearly under the gun, from the heroic marty/blgd/moscow trio, and he's firing back, one could say over-firing.

as for nazi comparisons, here i will say -- the mass burning of (albanian) bodies by serb forces at trepca and makatica during the spring of '99 does bring to mind the furnaces of auschwitz and various other of their "nice" camps where some of our relatives went up in smoke and ash. burn the bodies, burn the evidence. but no one's talking, mum's the word...

right now, the discourse, as such, is chock full of "organ trafficking," ad nauseum. which has temporarily allowed the serbian institutions some breathing room for their mass murderers and mass-murder cover-ups. that too will change, believe me it will.

meanwhile they can carry on their ghoulish orgy of hate; oh no, i mean their sincere concern for the victims of the KLA.

never did i realize how down deep, all of the S nationalists and their allies were actually human rights advocates. it's a miracle!

ciao.

roberto
michi-game

Frisco fog, when I said all criminals, I also mean all,including that "regime" (your favorite word...) check this "faulluja-birth-defects-iraq" at guardian.co.uk and give me in 2011 your clean view on it and maybe a comparaison with holocaust....

What can I say? Well maybe this: Dear Mr. Thaci: why does Kosovo not join Council of Europe?

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)

You must be forgetting the part where most Serbs at that time supported the Partizans. The only ones who backed the Cetniks were wealthy land-owners who would've had property nationalised under communist rule, but they were a minority, anyway.

"As you can see, since lunatic Dick Marty's report, many Serbs "believe" that this clears them of any wrong doing and all the massive graves ,rapes and ethnic cleansing is justified and erased."
(jesse, 1 January 2011 02:22)

Calling a honorable men from Switzerland with many merits a 'lunatic' is of the same quality of Thaci accusing him of using 'Nazi methods'. Ironically, many Serbs and Thaci do a similar thing: Trying to connecting these alleged crimes done by a criminal group and its leaders with the 'state of Kosovo' - something that Marty never did, on the contrary.

Nah, not Nazi propaganda. Just a ruse coocked in a smelly Belgrade kitchen while drinking copious amounts of cheap Russian vodka

''"Nazi propaganda", says the heir of SS-Skanderbeg Division...
(Grzegorz, 1 January 2011 16:13) ''

Thaci has nothing to do with any SS divison.

Thaci has nothing to do with any SS divison.
(iliri, 1 January 2011 21:36)
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What about his grandfather. Thaci is only continuing with family business.

Unless Thaci deals with Marty, I'm inclined to believe that Dick Marty is right.

Just a minor note:

I made a mistake saying "Milosevic was a suspect, not proven guilty. As is Mladic today." Milosevic was an accused by the court of justice, and so is Mladic today.

I didn't like Milosevic (which fact plays no role here) but I must say he didn't appear to be such a coward as Mladic, who isn't enough man to appear to answer the accusations. A "hero" who turned mouse.

A "hero" who turned mouse.
(Olli, 31 December 2010 12:22)
Olli - we could get a surprise about that one. Fact: Mladic knows way to much. Fact: who know way to much for the taste of BND/CIA/FSB (exKGB)/Mossad have very short life expectation.

From these four pick the one you think is the most involved.

If I would be Mladic - I would have smelly pants 7/24

What Marty's report has to do with Joseph Goebbels’ propaganda? He wrote something what Thaci and other Albanians do not like and he is Nazi? Lets see how Thaci will settle this in a court of law as he promised. Probably, the same way as Albanians sued Carla Del Ponte few years ago, at least they promised, nothing happened.

The most sad thing of all is that Thaci is going to publish list of Albanians who helped Marty to write his report. How pathetic, you can not expect anything better from snake!

The secessionist leaders, starting with Ibrahim Rugova, had promised them, "Do this, do that and the US will intervene and we will get Kosovo." They had been promising this for years. "Sacrifice your children by boycotting the schools; sacrifice your health by boycotting the hospitals; use your suffering to show foreign public opinion how we suffer under the Serbs, and the U.S. will come to our rescue."

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.

47 people went home that day to hug their kids,and pray that evil like thaci never enters their own back yard.
Too late for snake to hide..:)
(lids, 30 December 2010 21:47)
Or maybe 47 people went home and said what an evil mess the Milosevic regime caused, or maybe they went home and said "What a crock of ...." this guy spent 18 months "investigating" and basically came back and told us what was written in del Ponte's book.

I have read already too many times in comments of I presume Serbian posters that Albania did nothing to combat Nazis. Even more Albanians were collaborating.
I cannot blame them because that's what they were taught at school.
I only suggest them to realize that now are grown ups and can find the truth if they read from some alternative sources

"FYI" - Interesting, that googling under "Mane Rokvić" reveals it in mostly Croatian sources and their direct translations.

You may read more here. The debate is going on and going on.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=162896

While you are talking about Thaci,Qatar didn't care about Marty and is the 73rd state to recognise Kosova as independet state.
Secondly @ real illyrian(serbian)
Thaci said that he is going to pursue legal steps about Dick Marty,but do you know Marty's answer?
I have immunity-he said
If he is clear why he is hiding after his immunity?
After all why Marty was insulted when he was compare to Nazis?Did he do the same thing by comparing albanians to canibals, WITHOUT EVIDENCE?
Thirdly,
Albanians didn't boycott abything voluentarely,but they were forced to do so.Schools and hospitals were boycoted, because they were firing all albanians from the job.The army occupated RTP and all albanian journalists were fired.I remember that RT Prishtina had only 10min in albanian language before 1989.The rest of the 12 hour program was in serbian.Do you think was right because I think that is an insult for the entire albanian population.
In Grand Hotel Prishtina was a table"No dogs,no albanians allow in the hotel".
Do if you think this was normal,I am sorry but you have no reason.

mms,

Yes, Milosevic was a suspect, not proven guilty. As is Mladic today. If it was another way we wouldn't come even close to the truth but lynch suspects by the beliefs and hearsay of ignorant mob whose interest is not in truth but in thirst of blood.

Beside that I wanted to point out that once again a dispute between Serbs and Albanians is plagued by arrogant claims and practically total lack of self criticism from both parties. Most commentators seem never mind how these features correlate with general trustworthiness of observations and weightiness of opinions. Therefore this comment site reminds a kennel for masters' dogs.

Cr*p like this makes me yawn. We all know who sponsored that anti-Albanian. Poor Dick, he's suffering from a complex neuro disease...I hear a lot of people these days can't separate fiction from reality.

@Jugoslavia ! Do you have any Albanian names who collaborated with the Nazis or you are just like the rest of the Serbs spreding propaganda.Just like your prime minister at Harvard accusing Albanians of Drug trafficking . And when asked from an Albanian student if he knows any Albanian name that did that your prime minister (jeremic)got confused and walked out wile everyone was laughing at him.He accused Harvard of being pro Albanian.If a PM of a country is confused imagine the people.Happy New Year.

''Contrary, our tension is to cut snake's head.
(ZMAJ, 31 December 2010 12:39) ''

If you kill the home snake , or ''bolla'' you will have misfortune, the home snake also keeps the house clean of rats, frogs and other cretures that might bring diseases, that's a common belief as houses in the past used to be made of stone, clay by vernacular means... as for snakes which come across during journeys, you can kill, but ususally, you can put them away without killing if you know how, i was taught but i never experienced though ... snake gained bad connotations because of semitic religions, because ignorant people take the teachings literally, neither bible nor quran does not say snake is an evil creature, the message is that devil comes in many shapes and forms to fool the souls, the choosing of snake is not just because jewish priests who wrote the bible saw it as a spineless cold blooded creature, it was to renounce the pagan religions who worshiped snake cult, keep in mind that snake bites only because it feels threatened, pure self defence for survival, but home snake does not bite ...

(Dragan, 30 December 2010 14:27)

Dragce you are complete ignorant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks

It is well known that Russia and Serbia are behind the report, Marty is just a face to go with it. It is pure propaganda.

They're unable to prove that Thaci was related to the organ trade, these are just words. It is Serbia's and Russia's way of trying to stunt recognition for Kosovo; it'll give something for Jeremic to bitch about when he travels the world telling countries that they support Serbia not the other way round... putting words into their mouths.

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.

Many on this site kept repeating over and over that it doesn't matter if these charges are true or not, the damage has already been done, and that Serbs will keep throwing mud over and over again and something will stick.
Why then are you surprised when Thaci put a name to such propaganda tactics? Do you think you have exclusive right to accusations, but no one else has the right to answer and defend himself against such baseless accusations?

# Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)--

Yes, the nationalists never let facts get in the way of history, esp. about ww2. all the serbs were fervent anti-fascists, as were all poles, germans, hungarians, croats, rumanians, ukranians... oh my god, no one ever supported the fascists, the holocaust is just one big pink cloud, that we only imagined... in our nightmares.

personally i am cautious about constantly comparing things and people to the nazis. comparisons can be made, valid ones, but after a while, it loses all resonance.

but thaci is clearly under the gun, from the heroic marty/blgd/moscow trio, and he's firing back, one could say over-firing.

as for nazi comparisons, here i will say -- the mass burning of (albanian) bodies by serb forces at trepca and makatica during the spring of '99 does bring to mind the furnaces of auschwitz and various other of their "nice" camps where some of our relatives went up in smoke and ash. burn the bodies, burn the evidence. but no one's talking, mum's the word...

right now, the discourse, as such, is chock full of "organ trafficking," ad nauseum. which has temporarily allowed the serbian institutions some breathing room for their mass murderers and mass-murder cover-ups. that too will change, believe me it will.

meanwhile they can carry on their ghoulish orgy of hate; oh no, i mean their sincere concern for the victims of the KLA.

never did i realize how down deep, all of the S nationalists and their allies were actually human rights advocates. it's a miracle!

ciao.

roberto
michi-game

Folks,

We can hear and read heavy words from all directions, but try to remember that Thaci's still innocent. Until proven otherwise in the court of justice. So, please, show some good judgement and do not appear like a lynching mob.

Thaci may not be Mr. Brain of the Balkans, but that's no proof of his guilt.

"He should know all about Nazi propoganda. Albanians have a very close history of friendship and alliance with the Nazis. Serbs on the other hand, were the only people in the Balkans to fiercely oppose them.
Dragan"

- It would do you some good to go grab a book or two on the subject and start reading.

HITLER was an ally of Greater Albania. Liberal Extremist elites in the EU, US & UK have replaced Germanic chauvinism with something equally odious but more popular.

He should know all about Nazi propoganda. Albanians have a very close history of friendship and alliance with the Nazis. Serbs on the other hand, were the only people in the Balkans to fiercely oppose them.

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.

Of course it is. This is a Serb backed plan to undermine the liberty of the Kosovars. They seem to forget the atrocities they committed prior to the 1999 war. Like the nine month old baby who had just undergone heart surgery in Serbia and was kicked out of the hospital and sent to Albania. Here, thankfully, his parents met people in Elbasan who took an interest, and after hours of searching, located the medication essential for him to survive.

People like Marty and the earlier Carla del Ponti know they are stirring things up, probably through the activities of the Serbs and the Russians

Oh, the next shot. Thaci must be really in panic.

Every time he's opening his mouth, some more damage is done to the independent dream state of Kosovo. The good thing: The game will be over soon, and better times for Kosovo without Thaci will come.

Comical Ali or Organic Hashish?

Several years ago he didn't knew who's Joseph Goebbels., now he learnt the name but don't know anything about propaganda principles..

And he's even talking..

It's difficult to hurt someone if you're low moral and desperate. The Hashim Thaci's interviews are obvious cry-out and less logical day by day.

Thaci has an "abyss syndrome", nothing else.

In this crysis he even "forgot" to publish the names of the witnesses!

Now few weeks- "He's throwing empty to catch full"- Greeks use to say.

Well Thaci, why don't you go and cry to mummy? The Us is your ally - they are very quiet on all of this. Are they distancing themselves in case it all goes boom?

Wonderful, his next accusation will be Marty the "anti-semite"...

So to sum it up for Thaci: This is all just racist,anti-albanian,anti-Kosovo,serbian nationalist, Milosevic,nazist propaganda spread by Serbia and Russia through Mr. Marty.
For someone whose claiming to be innocent, he's sure trying too hard to convince everybody..

Nah, not Nazi propaganda. Just a ruse coocked in a smelly Belgrade kitchen while drinking copious amounts of cheap Russian vodka

Cr*p like this makes me yawn. We all know who sponsored that anti-Albanian. Poor Dick, he's suffering from a complex neuro disease...I hear a lot of people these days can't separate fiction from reality.

"Nazi propaganda", says the heir of SS-Skanderbeg Division...

@Jugoslavia ! Do you have any Albanian names who collaborated with the Nazis or you are just like the rest of the Serbs spreding propaganda.Just like your prime minister at Harvard accusing Albanians of Drug trafficking . And when asked from an Albanian student if he knows any Albanian name that did that your prime minister (jeremic)got confused and walked out wile everyone was laughing at him.He accused Harvard of being pro Albanian.If a PM of a country is confused imagine the people.Happy New Year.

Thaci has nothing to do with any SS divison.
(iliri, 1 January 2011 21:36)
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What about his grandfather. Thaci is only continuing with family business.

Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci has compared Council of Europe Rapporteur Dick Marty’s report on human organ trade to “Nazi propaganda”.


Is Thaci maybe comparing Marty to this Croat priest? If he is he should have strong evidence or facts like this one below.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-
article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=29&nav_id=71811

(Dragan, 30 December 2010 14:27)

Dragce you are complete ignorant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks

"FYI" - Interesting, that googling under "Mane Rokvić" reveals it in mostly Croatian sources and their direct translations.

You may read more here. The debate is going on and going on.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=162896

never did i realize how down deep, all of the S nationalists and their allies were actually human rights advocates. it's a miracle!

ciao. Roberto

Your fact based comments are not acceptable here by those that never cared for truth.As you can see, since lunatic Dick Marty's report, many Serbs "believe" that this clears them of any wrong doing and all the massive graves ,rapes and ethnic cleansing is justified and erased.
Dick Marty is Serbia's savior who "proved" with his bizarre allegations, that civilized world was wrong from stopping Serbia's genocidal quest.
When Marty's allegations meet the evidence they will fizzle fast leaving behind Serbian nationalist high and dry and scaring the reputation of EU.

A bit ironic from Hash about the Nazi propaganda since the KLA employed very Nazi-esque methods to expel the last remaining Jews from Kosmet in 1999 (and 200,000+ Serbs, Roma, Gorani and other Yugoslav citizens for that matter).

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/interviews/prlincevic.htm

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7795

Say it aint so Captain Frisco & Hash

''"Nazi propaganda", says the heir of SS-Skanderbeg Division...
(Grzegorz, 1 January 2011 16:13) ''

Thaci has nothing to do with any SS divison.

wow, now even the Nazi´s are being abused in order to present oneself as a civilized individual.

I´d say, that attempt failed, and the mere fact that this criminal is mentioning the Nazi´s is simply reflecting his nervousness.

poor guy, he will probably lose everything.

The 'Snake' sure sounds desperate.

Well Thaci, why don't you go and cry to mummy?
(sj, 30 December 2010 14:54)
Your wish came true as of magic. Very moving picture:

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/images/Thachi_Albright.jpg

47 people went home that day to hug their kids,and pray that evil like thaci never enters their own back yard.
Too late for snake to hide..:)
(lids, 30 December 2010 21:47)
Or maybe 47 people went home and said what an evil mess the Milosevic regime caused, or maybe they went home and said "What a crock of ...." this guy spent 18 months "investigating" and basically came back and told us what was written in del Ponte's book.

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.
(iliri, 30 December 2010 23:10)
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Contrary to your belief we did not do it to honour him or your ancestors.
We are not your ancestors and therefore do not share the same belief.
We treat snakes very differently to the way you do.

I would not be surprised if I heard Thaci say that Dick Marty is a Serb who gives protection to Ratko Mladic and Hadzic. When a man is in a great distress, he acts preposterously,talks nonsense,he does not choose the terms to express his reactions. Dick Marty ,who was entitled to to make a draft report for the Council of Europe about organ harvesting and trafficking by Thaci and his KLA in Kosovo,is labelled as a fascist and Nazi by a top criminal who pretends to be exercising democracy in a self- proclaimed democratic neverland Kosovo. Thaci has promised to make Albanians, who provided Dick Marty with evidence of extracting organs from people, blush( become red). He had lots of people made red by having them slain. By the way , Mr Marty was previously appointed by the Council of Europe to lead an investigation into alleged illegal CIA secret prisons in Europe

Hash is getting his slurs mixed up. If Marty's report was first some concoction of Russo-Serbian-Cetnik-SANU propaganda, it can't be Nazi. What next? An international Jewish conspiracy?

I have read already too many times in comments of I presume Serbian posters that Albania did nothing to combat Nazis. Even more Albanians were collaborating.
I cannot blame them because that's what they were taught at school.
I only suggest them to realize that now are grown ups and can find the truth if they read from some alternative sources

Just a minor note:

I made a mistake saying "Milosevic was a suspect, not proven guilty. As is Mladic today." Milosevic was an accused by the court of justice, and so is Mladic today.

I didn't like Milosevic (which fact plays no role here) but I must say he didn't appear to be such a coward as Mladic, who isn't enough man to appear to answer the accusations. A "hero" who turned mouse.

German-Chetnik collaboration entered a new phase after the Italian surrender, because the Germans now had to police a much larger area than before and fight the Partisans in the whole of Yugoslavia. Consequently, they significantly liberalized their policy towards the Chetniks and mobilized all Serbian nationalist forces against the Partisans. The 2nd Panzer Army oversaw these developments: the XV Army Corps was now officially allowed to utilize Chetniks troops and forge a "local alliance". The first formal and direct agreement between the German occupation forces and the Chetniks took place in early October 1943 between the 373rd Infantry Division and a detachment of Chetniks under Mane Rokvić operating in western Bosnia and Lika. The Germans subsequently even used Chetnik troops for guard duty in occupied Split, Dubrovnik, Šibenik, and Metković. Independent State of Croatia (NDH) troops were not used, despite Ustaše demands, because mass desertions of Croat troops to the Partisans rendered them unreliable. From this point on, the German occupation actually started to "openly favor" Chetnik troops to the Croat formations of the NDH

"As you can see, since lunatic Dick Marty's report, many Serbs "believe" that this clears them of any wrong doing and all the massive graves ,rapes and ethnic cleansing is justified and erased."
(jesse, 1 January 2011 02:22)

Calling a honorable men from Switzerland with many merits a 'lunatic' is of the same quality of Thaci accusing him of using 'Nazi methods'. Ironically, many Serbs and Thaci do a similar thing: Trying to connecting these alleged crimes done by a criminal group and its leaders with the 'state of Kosovo' - something that Marty never did, on the contrary.

Wonderful, his next accusation will be Marty the "anti-semite"...
(wtf, 30 December 2010, 13:51)

BTW: as bizarre as it is - this one already landed in the forum straight on my nose. Thrown from foggy and far-away San Francisco.

that stupid comment by Thaci is like blaming the Jews or Serbs for Aushwitz or Jasenovac.

Am I mistaken or were the Croats and Albanians Nazi allies during WW2? WW2 Genocide - Albanian SS Skenderbey Division and Neo-Nazism in Croatia, sometimes called Neo-Ustashism, is a post-World War II political movement influenced by the Ustaša, a Croatian far-right organization supported by the Nazis during the war. These two boy scout divisions murdered MILLIONS.

Thaci is a gutter dweller and needs to be cast back to the dark carvern from which he came.

This isn't just about Thaci and organ harvesting. This is a lot bigger as once the investigations starts it will lead to people, organ and drug trafficking across the territory of KiM and Albania, which are run by the mafia in those regions.

The can opener is ready to open the can of worms and once opened the drive to remove the criminal elements out of the region will begin. This will get very messy but it will be worthwhile!

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)

Before you accuse someone about lack of knowledge, you should be an expert in the field which you are clearly not. The Cetniks were far from Nazi collaborators, some factions yes.

However, to enlighten yourslef on the subject, feel free to read Patriot or Traitor, David Martin which goes through the entire Tito show Trial of Draza Milhalovic.

Clearly, the Albanian state was Nazi during WWII even declaring war on the United States of America, something Serbia never did even under occupation of the Nazi's.

What Marty's report has to do with Joseph Goebbels’ propaganda? He wrote something what Thaci and other Albanians do not like and he is Nazi? Lets see how Thaci will settle this in a court of law as he promised. Probably, the same way as Albanians sued Carla Del Ponte few years ago, at least they promised, nothing happened.

The most sad thing of all is that Thaci is going to publish list of Albanians who helped Marty to write his report. How pathetic, you can not expect anything better from snake!

The secessionist leaders, starting with Ibrahim Rugova, had promised them, "Do this, do that and the US will intervene and we will get Kosovo." They had been promising this for years. "Sacrifice your children by boycotting the schools; sacrifice your health by boycotting the hospitals; use your suffering to show foreign public opinion how we suffer under the Serbs, and the U.S. will come to our rescue."

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)

You must be forgetting the part where most Serbs at that time supported the Partizans. The only ones who backed the Cetniks were wealthy land-owners who would've had property nationalised under communist rule, but they were a minority, anyway.

The biggest insult to the Albanian people is Thaci himself. How do Albanians back this thug, who is proven to be a criminal mafioso with ties to every criminal activity in Kosovo. Just Google his name, you don't need to read Marti's reports to get an idea of who and what Hashim Thaci is. This human garbage has done more to give the Albanians a bad image in the world than any so-called Serbian propoganda ever could. Just ask anyone in the EU what they think of Albanians, and you can thank the likes of Thaci for the answers you hear.

Olli, did you afford Milosevic the same presumption - innocent till proven guitly? As I recall, Milosevic was not proven guilty in any court of law.

Anyway, re Thaci, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Unless Thaci deals with Marty, I'm inclined to believe that Dick Marty is right.

If the Serbs were Nazis then so were the Brits, Americans French and the rest of the allies. They all had collaborators. But the vast majority of Serbs put up heroic resistance against the scourge of fascism and millions died for their belief. Meanwhile Albanians continue to spout this tripe. the Albs are trying to rewrite history again, to forget their miserable history and hijack someone elses.

A "hero" who turned mouse.
(Olli, 31 December 2010 12:22)
Olli - we could get a surprise about that one. Fact: Mladic knows way to much. Fact: who know way to much for the taste of BND/CIA/FSB (exKGB)/Mossad have very short life expectation.

From these four pick the one you think is the most involved.

If I would be Mladic - I would have smelly pants 7/24

Roberto, I am struggling to believe that you are actually a Jew. I have never, in over 60 years of life, met a fellow Jew who was prepared to twist the facts of the Holocaust for any purpose, let alone to participate in a trivial and irrelevant squabble between Balkan nationalists.
(Avi, 31 December 2010 09:20)

Avi - been there, seen it, even communicated with that Jewish-born slime 1:1. What can we do? We, too, have our own rotten apples. There you see one. I am tired to say "sorry" to all Poles, Serbs, Belarus, Russians, Ukrainians who visit this site. And every single post of him is an other blow to anyone who wants to see a progress in Central / East Europe. Because these posts infuriate people and rather want them to ally with the past.

OK - once more - "Sorry for Roberto. Every time I read him I just cover my face. Apologies. Believe, the progress is NOT what this autistic person preaches here".

BTW, Avi - would be no hate-campaign against Serbia in the past and no posts like of Roberto - we would see even most radical Serbs here as very normal, very progressive people.

I was countless times in Serbia, all over the country Kosovo included and my experience with both Serbs and Albanians is million times better than what this forum reflects. And I single out Roberto here because I believe, he is the single, MOST HARMFUL person out here, more harmful than most furious Albanian or Serbian troll.

Snake might try to play nazi ,racist card.But the fact is that 47 representatives of EU learned about his heroin capo status then organ trade in open and without bias.
47 people went home that day to hug their kids,and pray that evil like thaci never enters their own back yard.
Too late for snake to hide..:)

This guy's a complete douche.

mms,

Yes, Milosevic was a suspect, not proven guilty. As is Mladic today. If it was another way we wouldn't come even close to the truth but lynch suspects by the beliefs and hearsay of ignorant mob whose interest is not in truth but in thirst of blood.

Beside that I wanted to point out that once again a dispute between Serbs and Albanians is plagued by arrogant claims and practically total lack of self criticism from both parties. Most commentators seem never mind how these features correlate with general trustworthiness of observations and weightiness of opinions. Therefore this comment site reminds a kennel for masters' dogs.

roberto
michi-game
(roberto, 30 December 2010 19:22)

Hey frisco the genious, the one that knows everything, the envoy of God, the one choosen, the one that has all the inside stories, the ultimate judge that hates the entire serb population SO much that he becomes insane in his comments...

I simply wish you a happy new year hoping that 2011 will bring you some peace inside of you.....

Happy new year to all, should 2011 bring you what you are all looking for, a peacefull and prosperous region, a region empty of ALL criminals of whatever nationality and whatever position.

Cheers

I red twice Roberto's rambling and still don't get the point. Looks like a posting of someone with big problems of his own.

Still missing the "baloney" explanation. I think, we won't see it ever. So much about integrity and honor. Touch that creature - feel the slime.

Anyone ever here did succeed to put any kind of debate with Roberto? Because I did not. The entire communication with Roberto is one-way: you say what you want - he will say totally unrelated thing, ignoring your words. It's like dealing with a pre-programed autistic robot running amok.

''Contrary, our tension is to cut snake's head.
(ZMAJ, 31 December 2010 12:39) ''

If you kill the home snake , or ''bolla'' you will have misfortune, the home snake also keeps the house clean of rats, frogs and other cretures that might bring diseases, that's a common belief as houses in the past used to be made of stone, clay by vernacular means... as for snakes which come across during journeys, you can kill, but ususally, you can put them away without killing if you know how, i was taught but i never experienced though ... snake gained bad connotations because of semitic religions, because ignorant people take the teachings literally, neither bible nor quran does not say snake is an evil creature, the message is that devil comes in many shapes and forms to fool the souls, the choosing of snake is not just because jewish priests who wrote the bible saw it as a spineless cold blooded creature, it was to renounce the pagan religions who worshiped snake cult, keep in mind that snake bites only because it feels threatened, pure self defence for survival, but home snake does not bite ...

Beni,
I know my history very well, thank you very much. You should open a book and learn some yourself. For instance, did you know that Draza Mihajlovic, the leader of the Chetniks, was awarded the Legion of Merit by President Harry Truman, on the recommendation by General Dwight Eisenhower? It is the highest award possible which a non-US citizen can receive. Of course you and Roberto and the rest of the anti-Serb hate mongers don't know, or refuse to accept this, because it is the truth, and the truth hurts you. The truth hurts, because truth is on the side of the Serbs, who have always been on the side of right, and your side, along with croats and bosnian muslims, were always on the side of wrong. Nothing has changed. Nothing at all. History always repeats itself, and Serbs always come out as victors in the end.
Cheers!

Frisco fog, when I said all criminals, I also mean all,including that "regime" (your favorite word...) check this "faulluja-birth-defects-iraq" at guardian.co.uk and give me in 2011 your clean view on it and maybe a comparaison with holocaust....

Roberto, I am struggling to believe that you are actually a Jew. I have never, in over 60 years of life, met a fellow Jew who was prepared to twist the facts of the Holocaust for any purpose, let alone to participate in a trivial and irrelevant squabble between Balkan nationalists. You must take time to reflect until you see that what you have become is very wrong. There is much more I would say if we were speaking face to face, but I hope I have given you some cause to consider the grave error of your actions.26fe

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.
(iliri, 30 December 2010 23:10)

You should really learn a little bit more about your leaders/War Criminals before you comment.

It was actually the albanians and Thaci's fellow murderers who gave him that wonderful name.

As for worshiping Snakes, that comes as no surprise.
Before you were worshiping animals that slithers and crawl on their bellies, now you worship a monster who murderers people for their organs.
Id say thats a BIG step backwards in your evolution.

Actually i like how serbs named Thaci...a snake...our ancestors back in illyrian period used to worship the cult of snake. Even today, in Albanian, snake is refered to someone who is agile and smart.
(iliri, 30 December 2010 23:10)

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Contrary, our tension is to cut snake's head.

While you are talking about Thaci,Qatar didn't care about Marty and is the 73rd state to recognise Kosova as independet state.
Secondly @ real illyrian(serbian)
Thaci said that he is going to pursue legal steps about Dick Marty,but do you know Marty's answer?
I have immunity-he said
If he is clear why he is hiding after his immunity?
After all why Marty was insulted when he was compare to Nazis?Did he do the same thing by comparing albanians to canibals, WITHOUT EVIDENCE?
Thirdly,
Albanians didn't boycott abything voluentarely,but they were forced to do so.Schools and hospitals were boycoted, because they were firing all albanians from the job.The army occupated RTP and all albanian journalists were fired.I remember that RT Prishtina had only 10min in albanian language before 1989.The rest of the 12 hour program was in serbian.Do you think was right because I think that is an insult for the entire albanian population.
In Grand Hotel Prishtina was a table"No dogs,no albanians allow in the hotel".
Do if you think this was normal,I am sorry but you have no reason.

What can I say? Well maybe this: Dear Mr. Thaci: why does Kosovo not join Council of Europe?

Dragan you should read about the chetniks history and learn who was the collaborater with the Nazis .Unfortunately the chetniks run serbia still today but some of you are still blind and dont relise that.
(Beni, 30 December 2010 16:22)


Why don't you do some reading about when the Serbian flag was flown over the White house..?

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww-1/SerbianFlag.html

but home snake does not bite ...
(macedon, 31 December 2010 14:36)

LOL!