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Sunday, 22.11.2009.

11:09

China coal mine blast death toll reaches 87

At least 87 people are now known to have died in China's worst coal mine accident in two years, state media say.

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Amer

pre 16 godina

Logic - the progress made in dealing with the effects of Katrina has been disheartening, you're right, but the agency in charge, FEMA (Fed. Emergency Man. Agency) underwent changes after it was seen to have failed in New Orleans and it has since dealt successfully with other disasters.

China did a good job of handling its response to the earthquake right before the Olympics, but how many children died in shoddily-built schools that were allowed to be constructed by corrupt local officials who could not be voted out of office before so many were built? Some of them were later executed, but that didn't bring the children back. And the Chinese blogger who reported on this was sentenced just days ago to 3 years in jail, meaning its unlikely that local control is going to be instituted any time soon.

There are lazy and stupid and corrupt officials in every system, but local democratic control means they are apt to be identified earlier and can be removed by the people whose lives they affect most directly.

Logic

pre 16 godina

@ AMER
I have to admit - your argument about democracy sounds pretty good, and it might be useful in some political, election campaign speeches. But if we accept them as a rule, then we might question the existence of democracy in many otherwise greatest democratic countries.
Here is only one example:
Hurricane Catrina hit the US end of August 2005. Familiar with the history? Where do we stand today, more than four years later? Please do a little research on the subject, won't make to much of an effort. I am afraid that using your democracy/safety connection would lead to disastrous conclusions. We cannot go this way, or we can?

Amer

pre 16 godina

Logic - democracy actually does have something to do with work-place safety, since it's much more difficult for owners/operators to ignore unsafe conditions when they are supervised by officials elected by the people at risk.

In any case, dying trapped underground is a horrible death. May those still alive be rescued soon and safely.

Logic

pre 16 godina

@KOSOVA-USA

"Welcome to China democracy..."
Disasters don't happen in democratic systems? Didn't know.
Still,do us a favour:if you cannot memorise the definition of the word "democracy" try to read it every time you feel compulsion to use it.
Thank you.

Kosova-USA

pre 16 godina

I lost count how many coal mine blast have ocurred so far in China for past 10 years. Does anybody know how many lives have been lost so far??? Welcome to China democracy and hight tech industry.

Logic

pre 16 godina

@KOSOVA-USA

"Welcome to China democracy..."
Disasters don't happen in democratic systems? Didn't know.
Still,do us a favour:if you cannot memorise the definition of the word "democracy" try to read it every time you feel compulsion to use it.
Thank you.

Kosova-USA

pre 16 godina

I lost count how many coal mine blast have ocurred so far in China for past 10 years. Does anybody know how many lives have been lost so far??? Welcome to China democracy and hight tech industry.

Amer

pre 16 godina

Logic - democracy actually does have something to do with work-place safety, since it's much more difficult for owners/operators to ignore unsafe conditions when they are supervised by officials elected by the people at risk.

In any case, dying trapped underground is a horrible death. May those still alive be rescued soon and safely.

Logic

pre 16 godina

@ AMER
I have to admit - your argument about democracy sounds pretty good, and it might be useful in some political, election campaign speeches. But if we accept them as a rule, then we might question the existence of democracy in many otherwise greatest democratic countries.
Here is only one example:
Hurricane Catrina hit the US end of August 2005. Familiar with the history? Where do we stand today, more than four years later? Please do a little research on the subject, won't make to much of an effort. I am afraid that using your democracy/safety connection would lead to disastrous conclusions. We cannot go this way, or we can?

Amer

pre 16 godina

Logic - the progress made in dealing with the effects of Katrina has been disheartening, you're right, but the agency in charge, FEMA (Fed. Emergency Man. Agency) underwent changes after it was seen to have failed in New Orleans and it has since dealt successfully with other disasters.

China did a good job of handling its response to the earthquake right before the Olympics, but how many children died in shoddily-built schools that were allowed to be constructed by corrupt local officials who could not be voted out of office before so many were built? Some of them were later executed, but that didn't bring the children back. And the Chinese blogger who reported on this was sentenced just days ago to 3 years in jail, meaning its unlikely that local control is going to be instituted any time soon.

There are lazy and stupid and corrupt officials in every system, but local democratic control means they are apt to be identified earlier and can be removed by the people whose lives they affect most directly.

Kosova-USA

pre 16 godina

I lost count how many coal mine blast have ocurred so far in China for past 10 years. Does anybody know how many lives have been lost so far??? Welcome to China democracy and hight tech industry.

Logic

pre 16 godina

@KOSOVA-USA

"Welcome to China democracy..."
Disasters don't happen in democratic systems? Didn't know.
Still,do us a favour:if you cannot memorise the definition of the word "democracy" try to read it every time you feel compulsion to use it.
Thank you.

Amer

pre 16 godina

Logic - democracy actually does have something to do with work-place safety, since it's much more difficult for owners/operators to ignore unsafe conditions when they are supervised by officials elected by the people at risk.

In any case, dying trapped underground is a horrible death. May those still alive be rescued soon and safely.

Logic

pre 16 godina

@ AMER
I have to admit - your argument about democracy sounds pretty good, and it might be useful in some political, election campaign speeches. But if we accept them as a rule, then we might question the existence of democracy in many otherwise greatest democratic countries.
Here is only one example:
Hurricane Catrina hit the US end of August 2005. Familiar with the history? Where do we stand today, more than four years later? Please do a little research on the subject, won't make to much of an effort. I am afraid that using your democracy/safety connection would lead to disastrous conclusions. We cannot go this way, or we can?

Amer

pre 16 godina

Logic - the progress made in dealing with the effects of Katrina has been disheartening, you're right, but the agency in charge, FEMA (Fed. Emergency Man. Agency) underwent changes after it was seen to have failed in New Orleans and it has since dealt successfully with other disasters.

China did a good job of handling its response to the earthquake right before the Olympics, but how many children died in shoddily-built schools that were allowed to be constructed by corrupt local officials who could not be voted out of office before so many were built? Some of them were later executed, but that didn't bring the children back. And the Chinese blogger who reported on this was sentenced just days ago to 3 years in jail, meaning its unlikely that local control is going to be instituted any time soon.

There are lazy and stupid and corrupt officials in every system, but local democratic control means they are apt to be identified earlier and can be removed by the people whose lives they affect most directly.