EU ministers discuss Bosnia, Kosovo

It will be restored. Now it's the clam before the storm as they say
(aRta, 18 November 2009 15:23)

What kind of clam would that be? I much prefer oysters, myself.

"your lack of sources and information is a major concern. Please visit Kosova as soon as possible, or pick up a book pronto."

-- I, and apparently a number of EU ministers, have picked up many-a-book and article, and most objective sources agree that the rule of law in Kosovo is still a major work in progress. I fail to see what you’re upset at, and Belgrade, a government that has been theoretically irrelevant for K Albanians since 1999, is the least of your concerns. I've been to Kosovo and I've seen the limits of Belgrade’s reach in Albanian sectors. It's minimal at best. So I have to say that the responsibility for problems in the rule of law and justice lies with your own elected officials and the passes they are getting from international supporters. Perhaps you should think of alternatives in leadership other than people like Thaci and Haradinaj? They frequently love to play the Blame-Belgrade card when things aren’t going their way. When the news is good, you'll say nothing can stop you. When news is bad, you blame everything on someone else. Following this logic, it's truly amazing how the power of Serbia conveniently waxes and wanes over your lives.

If you still think a lack of sources is a “major concern”, perhaps you should send a recommended reading list to those EU officials who issued the statements?

"Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova."

-- Yes yes. Pass the buck onto someone else like you always do. 1.5 million Albanians in the "newest borned state" and you're still blaming your institutional, political, legal, and economic shortcomings on another "country". With all this support from the strongest democracies in the world as we so regularly hear on this site from you guys, you'd think Serbia would be the least of your problems.

enough. Say is clearly in whose interest is that Kosova fails and who is working on her failure.
(ben, 18 November 2009 15:15)

1. I don't think that the Serbs need to do anything for you guys to fail, you are spending your time in blaming the all world for your misery and at the same time digging your own grave instead of using once for all your hands and a bit of brain to build something!

2. how can the rule of law be implemented at a place where it is governed by criminals

3. where did all the billions invested by the foreign community go?

4. yes, it was the easiest part to steal someonelse's land, but then what, are you waiting for your golden expats to return, then you better forget it, nobody will return to this no future zone (their comments)

5. If you have the number 1244 sticked to your back, ask yourselves why, I would say certainly not because you are able of any self governance

6. moral of the story, if you wanna achieve something in your life, go and work!

Just make sure that EULEX is doing nothing against 1244!

"Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova. And not only that Serbia is doing ALL she can in destabilising Kosova make the life of the people in Kosova as miserable as it can"
ben

How is Serbia obstructing the law in Kosovo? Isn't Kosovo obstructin international law by declaring independence? When are you going to stop blaming your problems on the Serbs? Take some responsibility for once in your lives. I thought Dell said Kosovo was flourishing? Serbia has resisted an independent Kosovo by peaceful means. You will never stop blaming others for your collective failure.

EULEX....and helping.....Kosovo..... build a "state structure".

Tadic,

Who were you fooling?

EULEX....and helping.....Kosovo..... build a "state structure".

Tadic,

Who were you fooling?
(Srb1, 18 November 2009, 15:01)

Kasno paljenje, my friend.

You should have been wiser much earlier.

Kosovo is now HISTORY, and long time started to build a "state structure".

"The EU mission in Kosovo, EULEX, on the other hand, is facing "great challenges in implementing the rule of law" and helping build a "state structure"."


Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova. And not only that Serbia is doing ALL she can in destabilising Kosova make the life of the people in Kosova as miserable as it can by
banning Kosovar goods eve to transit Serbia,
isolate Kosova from any regional initiative and possible international initiatives/organisations,
organizing and financing Serbian war lords north,
banning even her airspace for airplanes directed in Kosova,etc.

And what does Serbia get for this and for PROTECTING war criminals Mladic & Co??? Visa liberalisation so the criminals can also travel free.... hurray...

What do you want more than this??? Only the invasion is missing- or it is being prepared (and I am sure successful - having 2,500 lightly armed men to defend the young democracy what else can you expect??).

It's time for EU to speak with names who is who. People in Kosova were for too long hostage of Serbia enough is enough. Say is clearly in whose interest is that Kosova fails and who is working on her failure.

"...And what does Serbia get for this and for PROTECTING war criminals Mladic & Co??? Visa liberalisation so the criminals can also travel free.... hurray...
What do you want more than this??? Only the invasion is missing- or it is being prepared (and I am sure successful - having 2,500 lightly armed men to defend the young democracy what else can you expect??).
It's time for EU to speak with names who is who. People in Kosova were for too long hostage of Serbia enough is enough. Say is clearly in whose interest is that Kosova fails and who is working on her failure.
(ben, 18 November 2009 15:15)..."

Calm down my dear Ben.
Obligation of every single self respecting country in the World is to protect its sovereignty. So everything that Serbia is doing is just protecting its territorial integrity and sovereignty, that is by peaceful and diplomatic means.
I don't see a single reason why you and anybody else should be mad because of that.
Peace to all good people.

Mike,

your lack of sources and information is a major concern. Please visit Kosova as soon as possible, or pick up a book pronto.

Thanks.

"The greatest challenge is implementing the rule of law,”

It will be restored. Now it's the clam before the storm as they say

water - provided that you reckon out-of-box. If you thinking by heart then everything is possible (in Alice’s world).
(ben, 18 November 2009 19:03)

I couldn't care less to be called a racist by people of your sort.

Since the begining I have been saying loud that am agains this illegal UDI, simply because it has been done in a complete violation of the UN charter and I'll certainly stick to it until proven that there really are legal grounds to sustain this UDI.

As much as I praise all the fully integrated k-a living in Switzerland for decades (and i have some wounderfull neighbourghs) as much as I dislike too many of them that came during the balkan war and completely abused and are still abusing our system and hospitality, worst, managed to install and complete controll the drug trafficking and prostitution.

You call it stereotype, I call it facts or better say statistics. Am sure the same applies in too many EU countries!!

Interesting enough NONE of them have any wish to return... Any answer to this??

As I said in my below comment, nobody needs to push you down, you do it yourselves and, again, comments like yours and your nationalistic friends will certainly not help us to have more respect, to the contrary... moreover it will only reinforce day after day the terrible image that you are having abroad.

Truth hurts and we already understood that people like you have no wish to see the truth eye to eye but rather live in a US stamped cocoon!

Good luck

(ben, 18 November 2009 15:15)


Serbia is not going to hand over its territory willingly. If it did not buckle under EU/US pressure in the early days, it certainly will not now.

What’s more interesting is yet to come. The Russians have completed their control of Europe with their gas by signing agreements with Austria and Slovenia, so they are the new masters and I can tell you that there will be some old scores to settle. The Russians were humiliated in the early 1990s by the US and EU and there are a large number of ultra-nationalist within Vlad Putin’s circle that are also seething about Serbia’s treatment at the hands of ‘freedom loving democracies’.

This visa liberalisation business is nonsense. How many in Serbia will it affect? Not too many! It the EU’s quickest positive response to the changing geopolitical situation. Next will be this ridiculous SAA will be given the go ahead, as if Serbia needs the EU to trade – Serbia is not that big to worry about the EU. It just psychological mumbo jumbo! This trade agreement is more about EU corporations selling their goods in Serbia not the other way around.

Serbia will not allow Kosovo to thrive and it’s going to get worse in the future for that province. See, they have learnt to play the western games extremely well – sign agreements and stick to the letter of the law then wave them in front of the EU/US and they are helpless. The west thought that these agreements were going to be only temporary, but the Serbs were more cunning and have bogged them down to an absolute standstill. Sit and wait and until your adversary goes broke.

My sources tell me in about May/June next year we will see some major changes occurring in the EU and the beginning of separation from the US, and then the new masters will make themselves know to the world. If you are not convinced, look at what Obama is doing in China! That crap about human rights blah, blah! It’s only for domestic consumption not for China’s benefit. The US cannot afford to p******f China because it owns 1/3 of the US.

The US is declining by the month, not by the year.

You intentionally ignore that in ALL meeting that Tadic has with EU representatives and of different govt’s it has been asked form Serbia to be CONSTRUCTIVE regarding Kosova. Asking to be constructive implies that Serbia is DESTRUCTIVE towards Kosova.
(ben, 18 November 2009 19:03)

Not necessary but after seeing the 1:1 between Dacic and Xharra I see your point. Same applies to the lack of condolences in the case of illegal border-crossing incident when many Albanians drown in Tisza river.

Let's be optimistic - I would rather blame clumsiness and lack of sensibility than DELIBERATE malicious intents or hatred or somewhat else.

This is a lame excuse, but still an excuse.

If I would be in charge - for sure I would proclaim essentially the same ("Kosova eshtë Serbi") what the current Serbian government does. But it wouldn't be much more than rather a formal thing. One the practice:

- produce of Kosovo would be sold all over Serbia Proper. And of course with zero customs tariff. The "Kosovo Republic" sign would be crossed. Like in the past: Exakta cameras made in (East) Germany were sold in the States with the same tariff as any camera from (West) Germany. But the "Made in Germany" sign on East German produce was crossed out. (Now on eBay such items have good prices)

- Kosovo Passports would be accepted only to issue a temporary "licna karta". That "licna karta" would be PRECISELY the same as regular Serbian, just with limited validity time (say, three month maximum).

- Kosovo licence plates and insurance would be accepted on the admin. line crossings only. There, all Kosovars would be obligated to purchase a temporary Serbian plate and temporary Serbian insurance. The price for both would be accordingly less than the permanent one "regular" Serbs get

- I would make it damn sure, that like every official (and semi-official) place in the States has Spanish and often Chinese or Viet signs, so any official and semi-official place in Serbia Proper would have signs in both Serbian and Albanian.

- The number of Albanians in Serbia (Kosovo included) is MUCH higher than the number of people having "alternative lifestyle" and/or "alternative sexual preference". If their demonstrations are a headline-issue... fine, indeed, we are not obligated to follow their preferences, but absolutely no discrimination either, let them demonstrate for their rights (as long as such demo is not offending public taste).

Why don't you guys organize a demo in Belgrade? I mean, a peaceful, informative demo - pointing out precisely above things. I firmly believe, a lot of things are wrong on both sides just merely out of ignorance. That can be changed.

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If you thinking by heart then everything is possible (in Alice’s world).
(ben, 18 November 2009 19:03)

Indeed, probably a constructive things, too. In some cases nothing else is needed just some good ideas. For instance, ask Serbs following question:

"Do you support the idea, that Kosovo Albanians can visit their relatives in Belgrade or Novi Sad and they could buy temporary Serbian 'licna karta', Serbian temporary license plates and insurance at the crossing?"

I am 100% sure, the overwhelming majority will say "Good idea, really, why not?". Now, you know how slow the government bureaucrats are. Even the famous Serbian-Russian visa deal took like two years to implement (for no reason!). Serbian government is not evil, "just" slow and still with a lot of bureaucracy and corruption. A lot of things could speed their thinking up. But showing the middle finger to them will just trigger the Serbian "inat".

(The Swiss, 18 November 2009 16:46)

When people will STOP talking with SLOGANS and LABELLING then we can start having normal discussion.

In mean time I leave you with your stereotypes.

Remember who covers himself with prejudices (just watch 2/3 of your comment 1-6) sooner or later will find himself being racist- and you are firmly in that road.

(Mike, 18 November 2009 16:15)

Mike you deliberately choose to ignore that in ALL reports of UN Sec General to the UN SC the lack of law in the Serbian predominant northern Kosova was the ONLY concern. In ALL reports.

You intentionally ignore that in ALL meeting that Tadic has with EU representatives and of different govt’s it has been asked form Serbia to be CONSTRUCTIVE regarding Kosova. Asking to be constructive implies that Serbia is DESTRUCTIVE towards Kosova.

Consequently, you choose to ignore my points of the deliberately DESTRUCTIVE strategy of Serbia towards Kosova. You just fly over them and don’t say even a word, perhaps since you don’t have?

So, all your comments of ‘blame another state’ hold no water - provided that you reckon out-of-box. If you thinking by heart then everything is possible (in Alice’s world).

In discussing the implementation of the rule of law in Kosovo what the EU is referring to is the rule of law extending to the full extent of the territory of The Republic of Kosovo. So far the rule of law has only been established in Albanian Majority areas however north of the Ibar River this has been hampered by Serbian obstructionism which is aided by the Government of Serbia. So those of you suggesting that we shouldn’t blame these problems on Serbia should really stop your ignorant rants and raves and see the situation as it is. This can’t and won’t continue forever. Serbs south of the river have already realized that Serbia is using them as pawns in a cynical political mind game to prolong Kosovo’s progress. What I don’t understand is how Serbs and Serbia aren’t realizing they are being used by Russia to impede European Unity. All of our futures are in the EU and if Serbia truly believes that EU membership is not directly tied to normalization of ties with an Independent Kosovo then they are nothing short of delirious.

Kosovo and the West are going little by little, like diving Serbs with elections. The minute the West tightens the screws, Serbia buckles. Where's the Russian loan and help? No where!
(aRTa, 19 November 2009 04:59)

EU is at Russias mercy,north Stream and South Stream are making Europe totally dependent on them,they have prevented the change of un1244 which says Kosovo is Serbia,5 EU countries will block any EU and NATO accession.
We locked you up and threw the keys away and there is no way out and you know it and nothing will change that.

"EU is at Russias mercy,north Stream and South Stream are making Europe totally dependent on them,..."

Russia doesn't even have the economic output of Spain, let alone EU.

"Serbia will not allow Kosovo to thrive and it’s going to get worse in the future for that province"

Kosovo and the West are going little by little, like diving Serbs with elections. The minute the West tightens the screws, Serbia buckles. Where's the Russian loan and help? No where!

"Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova. "

but...but I thought 'Kosova' was an independent state. Good Lord, fetch me my stick Giles.

I Don't thing you understand when albania joins EU it is a don deal. kosovo albanians can get albanian passports the border will be open and thats that don deal.So give peace a chance stop with Slobodan milosevic ideology Pleas. People of Yougsllavia have sufferd enough.today we all could have been in EU.

I Don't thing you understand when albania joins EU it is a don deal. kosovo albanians can get albanian passports the border will be open and thats that don deal.So give peace a chance stop with Slobodan milosevic ideology Pleas. People of Yougsllavia have sufferd enough.today we all could have been in EU.
(ilyr, 21 November 2009 12:37)

It’s not a done deal because the EU will not allow the Albanians from Kosovo to travel. Do you think that they want nearly two million moving about in Europe looking for jobs. Kosovo will be dealt with separately from Albania and even Albanian citizens will not be allowed to move that freely, but that is a separate issue.
Nothing will change for Kosovo until Serbia agrees.

EULEX....and helping.....Kosovo..... build a "state structure".

Tadic,

Who were you fooling?
(Srb1, 18 November 2009, 15:01)

Kasno paljenje, my friend.

You should have been wiser much earlier.

Kosovo is now HISTORY, and long time started to build a "state structure".

Mike,

your lack of sources and information is a major concern. Please visit Kosova as soon as possible, or pick up a book pronto.

Thanks.

"The EU mission in Kosovo, EULEX, on the other hand, is facing "great challenges in implementing the rule of law" and helping build a "state structure"."


Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova. And not only that Serbia is doing ALL she can in destabilising Kosova make the life of the people in Kosova as miserable as it can by
banning Kosovar goods eve to transit Serbia,
isolate Kosova from any regional initiative and possible international initiatives/organisations,
organizing and financing Serbian war lords north,
banning even her airspace for airplanes directed in Kosova,etc.

And what does Serbia get for this and for PROTECTING war criminals Mladic & Co??? Visa liberalisation so the criminals can also travel free.... hurray...

What do you want more than this??? Only the invasion is missing- or it is being prepared (and I am sure successful - having 2,500 lightly armed men to defend the young democracy what else can you expect??).

It's time for EU to speak with names who is who. People in Kosova were for too long hostage of Serbia enough is enough. Say is clearly in whose interest is that Kosova fails and who is working on her failure.

"The greatest challenge is implementing the rule of law,”

It will be restored. Now it's the clam before the storm as they say

Just make sure that EULEX is doing nothing against 1244!

(The Swiss, 18 November 2009 16:46)

When people will STOP talking with SLOGANS and LABELLING then we can start having normal discussion.

In mean time I leave you with your stereotypes.

Remember who covers himself with prejudices (just watch 2/3 of your comment 1-6) sooner or later will find himself being racist- and you are firmly in that road.

(Mike, 18 November 2009 16:15)

Mike you deliberately choose to ignore that in ALL reports of UN Sec General to the UN SC the lack of law in the Serbian predominant northern Kosova was the ONLY concern. In ALL reports.

You intentionally ignore that in ALL meeting that Tadic has with EU representatives and of different govt’s it has been asked form Serbia to be CONSTRUCTIVE regarding Kosova. Asking to be constructive implies that Serbia is DESTRUCTIVE towards Kosova.

Consequently, you choose to ignore my points of the deliberately DESTRUCTIVE strategy of Serbia towards Kosova. You just fly over them and don’t say even a word, perhaps since you don’t have?

So, all your comments of ‘blame another state’ hold no water - provided that you reckon out-of-box. If you thinking by heart then everything is possible (in Alice’s world).

"Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova."

-- Yes yes. Pass the buck onto someone else like you always do. 1.5 million Albanians in the "newest borned state" and you're still blaming your institutional, political, legal, and economic shortcomings on another "country". With all this support from the strongest democracies in the world as we so regularly hear on this site from you guys, you'd think Serbia would be the least of your problems.

In discussing the implementation of the rule of law in Kosovo what the EU is referring to is the rule of law extending to the full extent of the territory of The Republic of Kosovo. So far the rule of law has only been established in Albanian Majority areas however north of the Ibar River this has been hampered by Serbian obstructionism which is aided by the Government of Serbia. So those of you suggesting that we shouldn’t blame these problems on Serbia should really stop your ignorant rants and raves and see the situation as it is. This can’t and won’t continue forever. Serbs south of the river have already realized that Serbia is using them as pawns in a cynical political mind game to prolong Kosovo’s progress. What I don’t understand is how Serbs and Serbia aren’t realizing they are being used by Russia to impede European Unity. All of our futures are in the EU and if Serbia truly believes that EU membership is not directly tied to normalization of ties with an Independent Kosovo then they are nothing short of delirious.

enough. Say is clearly in whose interest is that Kosova fails and who is working on her failure.
(ben, 18 November 2009 15:15)

1. I don't think that the Serbs need to do anything for you guys to fail, you are spending your time in blaming the all world for your misery and at the same time digging your own grave instead of using once for all your hands and a bit of brain to build something!

2. how can the rule of law be implemented at a place where it is governed by criminals

3. where did all the billions invested by the foreign community go?

4. yes, it was the easiest part to steal someonelse's land, but then what, are you waiting for your golden expats to return, then you better forget it, nobody will return to this no future zone (their comments)

5. If you have the number 1244 sticked to your back, ask yourselves why, I would say certainly not because you are able of any self governance

6. moral of the story, if you wanna achieve something in your life, go and work!

EULEX....and helping.....Kosovo..... build a "state structure".

Tadic,

Who were you fooling?

"Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova. And not only that Serbia is doing ALL she can in destabilising Kosova make the life of the people in Kosova as miserable as it can"
ben

How is Serbia obstructing the law in Kosovo? Isn't Kosovo obstructin international law by declaring independence? When are you going to stop blaming your problems on the Serbs? Take some responsibility for once in your lives. I thought Dell said Kosovo was flourishing? Serbia has resisted an independent Kosovo by peaceful means. You will never stop blaming others for your collective failure.

It will be restored. Now it's the clam before the storm as they say
(aRta, 18 November 2009 15:23)

What kind of clam would that be? I much prefer oysters, myself.

"your lack of sources and information is a major concern. Please visit Kosova as soon as possible, or pick up a book pronto."

-- I, and apparently a number of EU ministers, have picked up many-a-book and article, and most objective sources agree that the rule of law in Kosovo is still a major work in progress. I fail to see what you’re upset at, and Belgrade, a government that has been theoretically irrelevant for K Albanians since 1999, is the least of your concerns. I've been to Kosovo and I've seen the limits of Belgrade’s reach in Albanian sectors. It's minimal at best. So I have to say that the responsibility for problems in the rule of law and justice lies with your own elected officials and the passes they are getting from international supporters. Perhaps you should think of alternatives in leadership other than people like Thaci and Haradinaj? They frequently love to play the Blame-Belgrade card when things aren’t going their way. When the news is good, you'll say nothing can stop you. When news is bad, you blame everything on someone else. Following this logic, it's truly amazing how the power of Serbia conveniently waxes and wanes over your lives.

If you still think a lack of sources is a “major concern”, perhaps you should send a recommended reading list to those EU officials who issued the statements?

"Serbia will not allow Kosovo to thrive and it’s going to get worse in the future for that province"

Kosovo and the West are going little by little, like diving Serbs with elections. The minute the West tightens the screws, Serbia buckles. Where's the Russian loan and help? No where!

"...And what does Serbia get for this and for PROTECTING war criminals Mladic & Co??? Visa liberalisation so the criminals can also travel free.... hurray...
What do you want more than this??? Only the invasion is missing- or it is being prepared (and I am sure successful - having 2,500 lightly armed men to defend the young democracy what else can you expect??).
It's time for EU to speak with names who is who. People in Kosova were for too long hostage of Serbia enough is enough. Say is clearly in whose interest is that Kosova fails and who is working on her failure.
(ben, 18 November 2009 15:15)..."

Calm down my dear Ben.
Obligation of every single self respecting country in the World is to protect its sovereignty. So everything that Serbia is doing is just protecting its territorial integrity and sovereignty, that is by peaceful and diplomatic means.
I don't see a single reason why you and anybody else should be mad because of that.
Peace to all good people.

"Say it clearly: Serbia is posing THE challenge and is obstructing the democracy and the rule of law in Kosova. "

but...but I thought 'Kosova' was an independent state. Good Lord, fetch me my stick Giles.

water - provided that you reckon out-of-box. If you thinking by heart then everything is possible (in Alice’s world).
(ben, 18 November 2009 19:03)

I couldn't care less to be called a racist by people of your sort.

Since the begining I have been saying loud that am agains this illegal UDI, simply because it has been done in a complete violation of the UN charter and I'll certainly stick to it until proven that there really are legal grounds to sustain this UDI.

As much as I praise all the fully integrated k-a living in Switzerland for decades (and i have some wounderfull neighbourghs) as much as I dislike too many of them that came during the balkan war and completely abused and are still abusing our system and hospitality, worst, managed to install and complete controll the drug trafficking and prostitution.

You call it stereotype, I call it facts or better say statistics. Am sure the same applies in too many EU countries!!

Interesting enough NONE of them have any wish to return... Any answer to this??

As I said in my below comment, nobody needs to push you down, you do it yourselves and, again, comments like yours and your nationalistic friends will certainly not help us to have more respect, to the contrary... moreover it will only reinforce day after day the terrible image that you are having abroad.

Truth hurts and we already understood that people like you have no wish to see the truth eye to eye but rather live in a US stamped cocoon!

Good luck

Kosovo and the West are going little by little, like diving Serbs with elections. The minute the West tightens the screws, Serbia buckles. Where's the Russian loan and help? No where!
(aRTa, 19 November 2009 04:59)

EU is at Russias mercy,north Stream and South Stream are making Europe totally dependent on them,they have prevented the change of un1244 which says Kosovo is Serbia,5 EU countries will block any EU and NATO accession.
We locked you up and threw the keys away and there is no way out and you know it and nothing will change that.

(ben, 18 November 2009 15:15)


Serbia is not going to hand over its territory willingly. If it did not buckle under EU/US pressure in the early days, it certainly will not now.

What’s more interesting is yet to come. The Russians have completed their control of Europe with their gas by signing agreements with Austria and Slovenia, so they are the new masters and I can tell you that there will be some old scores to settle. The Russians were humiliated in the early 1990s by the US and EU and there are a large number of ultra-nationalist within Vlad Putin’s circle that are also seething about Serbia’s treatment at the hands of ‘freedom loving democracies’.

This visa liberalisation business is nonsense. How many in Serbia will it affect? Not too many! It the EU’s quickest positive response to the changing geopolitical situation. Next will be this ridiculous SAA will be given the go ahead, as if Serbia needs the EU to trade – Serbia is not that big to worry about the EU. It just psychological mumbo jumbo! This trade agreement is more about EU corporations selling their goods in Serbia not the other way around.

Serbia will not allow Kosovo to thrive and it’s going to get worse in the future for that province. See, they have learnt to play the western games extremely well – sign agreements and stick to the letter of the law then wave them in front of the EU/US and they are helpless. The west thought that these agreements were going to be only temporary, but the Serbs were more cunning and have bogged them down to an absolute standstill. Sit and wait and until your adversary goes broke.

My sources tell me in about May/June next year we will see some major changes occurring in the EU and the beginning of separation from the US, and then the new masters will make themselves know to the world. If you are not convinced, look at what Obama is doing in China! That crap about human rights blah, blah! It’s only for domestic consumption not for China’s benefit. The US cannot afford to p******f China because it owns 1/3 of the US.

The US is declining by the month, not by the year.

You intentionally ignore that in ALL meeting that Tadic has with EU representatives and of different govt’s it has been asked form Serbia to be CONSTRUCTIVE regarding Kosova. Asking to be constructive implies that Serbia is DESTRUCTIVE towards Kosova.
(ben, 18 November 2009 19:03)

Not necessary but after seeing the 1:1 between Dacic and Xharra I see your point. Same applies to the lack of condolences in the case of illegal border-crossing incident when many Albanians drown in Tisza river.

Let's be optimistic - I would rather blame clumsiness and lack of sensibility than DELIBERATE malicious intents or hatred or somewhat else.

This is a lame excuse, but still an excuse.

If I would be in charge - for sure I would proclaim essentially the same ("Kosova eshtë Serbi") what the current Serbian government does. But it wouldn't be much more than rather a formal thing. One the practice:

- produce of Kosovo would be sold all over Serbia Proper. And of course with zero customs tariff. The "Kosovo Republic" sign would be crossed. Like in the past: Exakta cameras made in (East) Germany were sold in the States with the same tariff as any camera from (West) Germany. But the "Made in Germany" sign on East German produce was crossed out. (Now on eBay such items have good prices)

- Kosovo Passports would be accepted only to issue a temporary "licna karta". That "licna karta" would be PRECISELY the same as regular Serbian, just with limited validity time (say, three month maximum).

- Kosovo licence plates and insurance would be accepted on the admin. line crossings only. There, all Kosovars would be obligated to purchase a temporary Serbian plate and temporary Serbian insurance. The price for both would be accordingly less than the permanent one "regular" Serbs get

- I would make it damn sure, that like every official (and semi-official) place in the States has Spanish and often Chinese or Viet signs, so any official and semi-official place in Serbia Proper would have signs in both Serbian and Albanian.

- The number of Albanians in Serbia (Kosovo included) is MUCH higher than the number of people having "alternative lifestyle" and/or "alternative sexual preference". If their demonstrations are a headline-issue... fine, indeed, we are not obligated to follow their preferences, but absolutely no discrimination either, let them demonstrate for their rights (as long as such demo is not offending public taste).

Why don't you guys organize a demo in Belgrade? I mean, a peaceful, informative demo - pointing out precisely above things. I firmly believe, a lot of things are wrong on both sides just merely out of ignorance. That can be changed.

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If you thinking by heart then everything is possible (in Alice’s world).
(ben, 18 November 2009 19:03)

Indeed, probably a constructive things, too. In some cases nothing else is needed just some good ideas. For instance, ask Serbs following question:

"Do you support the idea, that Kosovo Albanians can visit their relatives in Belgrade or Novi Sad and they could buy temporary Serbian 'licna karta', Serbian temporary license plates and insurance at the crossing?"

I am 100% sure, the overwhelming majority will say "Good idea, really, why not?". Now, you know how slow the government bureaucrats are. Even the famous Serbian-Russian visa deal took like two years to implement (for no reason!). Serbian government is not evil, "just" slow and still with a lot of bureaucracy and corruption. A lot of things could speed their thinking up. But showing the middle finger to them will just trigger the Serbian "inat".

"EU is at Russias mercy,north Stream and South Stream are making Europe totally dependent on them,..."

Russia doesn't even have the economic output of Spain, let alone EU.

I Don't thing you understand when albania joins EU it is a don deal. kosovo albanians can get albanian passports the border will be open and thats that don deal.So give peace a chance stop with Slobodan milosevic ideology Pleas. People of Yougsllavia have sufferd enough.today we all could have been in EU.

I Don't thing you understand when albania joins EU it is a don deal. kosovo albanians can get albanian passports the border will be open and thats that don deal.So give peace a chance stop with Slobodan milosevic ideology Pleas. People of Yougsllavia have sufferd enough.today we all could have been in EU.
(ilyr, 21 November 2009 12:37)

It’s not a done deal because the EU will not allow the Albanians from Kosovo to travel. Do you think that they want nearly two million moving about in Europe looking for jobs. Kosovo will be dealt with separately from Albania and even Albanian citizens will not be allowed to move that freely, but that is a separate issue.
Nothing will change for Kosovo until Serbia agrees.