Interior Minister Ivica Dačić protested at a forum in Brussels because the Kosovo Albanian delegation did not have UNMIK on the signboard in front of its table.
Not that it is relevant but I could not find a listing for Palestine in the membership of the UN.
(pss, 18 November 2009 21:59)
Becouse Palestine is no full member (full membership is only for independent states), but from 1974 have status of observer (similar like Vatican and Switzerland between 1948-2002), from 1976 can participate in Security Council debates (only independent countries have similar rights) and from 1998 palestinian delegates participate in General Assembly debates.
Pseudoindependent Kosovo - have nothing. No full membership, no observer status, nothing... Their politicians can be only smuggled into UN buildings by Albanian delegates.
We just ignored Dacic and he had to stay and listen to Kosovo representative Kelmendi as well. That's the choice Serbia has. Can't join EU with that kind of talking!!!
dacic is quite silly and i really can't take him seriously...
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
He's an apparatchik. Not silly at all. He (mostly) won the debate against a very sympathetic, intelligent and dynamic Jeta Xharra (see it on Youtube). She cornered him only on the MUP in Kosovo issue. Otherwise he won - and she is not bad at all. Apparently, he is a very skilled apparatchik.
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as for Kosovo/a, i think the elections went splendidly -- just read a very nice article on the BBC, very positive, about the elections.
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
You mean this one?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8361972.stm
Please read the start:
"European monitors said the poll - the first since the country declared independence from Serbia last year - met many international standards."
I would not call such sentence a positive at all. In the fact, it's a devastating one. But I wasn't there during the elections and I can't say much. Just when BBC writes about election that it 'met many international standards' I begin to scratch my head. But again, I have no idea because I wasn't there.
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The icj ruling is a mere bump in the road, i actually look forward to it! though the day after they lose, same ole arguments...
oh well, we're all in it for the long haul.
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by the way, i couldn't quite get the last 2 paragraphs... was it serbo-croatian or albanian? seriously, i'm not sure.
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
Where? I don't see it in BBC article. Telling written Albanian and latinic written Serbo-Croatian apart is not that tough, Albanian has a lot of "umlauts" like "ë", uses "sh" for "sh" and "ç" for "ch". Also in some cases the "soft ch" is written like "q". On the other hand, latinic written Serbo-Croatian has a lot of "hacheks", but no "umlauts".
Of course, the roots of almost every word in Serbian and even more than that in the Croatian dialect are identical with Russian. But Serbo-Croatian or Bulgaro-Macedonian does not help to understand Russian and Russian does not help to understand say, Bulgarian or Serbian if you do not know at least one of these languages PERFECTLY because you need to know all synonymes to guess the other language. But if you know the synonymes than more often than not you won't even need an interpreter.
Last time I was in Sopoćani (notice the "hachek" over "c", Albanians would write "Sopoqani") there was a Bulgarian group. The priest was not strong in Bulgarian and Russian, so he asked can he speak slowly Serbian or use English. Bulgarians opted for "slow Serbian" and I did not object either.
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
(Milan, 18 November 2009 00:36
Not that it is relevant but I could not find a listing for Palestine in the membership of the UN.
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
(Milan, 18 November 2009 00:36)
See most Serbs don't get it that it's the reality in the ground that matter to most of us not recognitions. The more recognitions the better of course but as long as Albanians have a say in what goes in Kosova we're fine evene with the status quo. You can rejoice while the like sof Dacic take signs down we'll be rejoicing in our newfound freedom.
Our self appointed beacom of neo-liberal beacon of moral guidance and Balkan expert cant tell Serbo-Croat from Albanian. Oh Holy Mother of God.
(Niall O'Doherty, 18 November 2009 10:17)
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
(Kosova-USA, 17 November 2009 10:14)
You just don’t get! Do you? The Albanians are not going to be recognized by Serbia and the EU/US can play their silly little games for ever if they like. When you deal with these western bureaucrats you’re dealing with puerile knuckleheads who actually think that if there is no UMNIK sign then the Serbs will get used to the idea and believe they are making an important psychological breakthrough – I’m not joking that’s how they think.
Ask yourself, why does the US/EU bother with these talks? They are a power in this world and can do anything they like. Well things have changed dramatically in the last decade and they realize that they are stuck with 2 million people with no prospect of a decent life and promising the world will not last too long so they have to negotiate a settlement. This is where the Serbs can afford to sit and wait while the EU/US goes bankrupt, and I don’t think it has too long to go before the final kaput, or the Albanians turn on them and I don’t think that too far off either.
If life is difficult in the US with 49 million unable to sustain themselves with sufficient food then the writing on the wall is there for everyone to see.
Go back to the story and read
''all the signs were removed''
so does this make all member countries property of UNMIK or 1244.,meeting took place though!!!
Knowing the sources it is hard to know exactly what happened but what I read is;
All the signs were removed meaning that everyone was sitting without signs or the Kosovo representatives sit without signs. This means in order to proceed the Kosovo sign was removed to quieten Serbia down but they were not required to place an UNMIK or 1244 sign.
Either way, it hardly makes any difference. The Kosovan team still participated with the same personnel
(nikshala, 17 November 2009 18:44)
yes nikshala-the moral of this story is that Serbia rules-while the rest obeys..
After Dačić’s protest, all signboards were removed, after which the conference began, the minister, who is also Serbia's first deputy prime minister, said.
Thats very important,so our province got equated as a province and not as a state.
Dacic,well done!
blahblahblah - Kosovari - soviet republisc - Ukrainian and Belorussian - were MEMBERS of United Nations from creation of these organization until break of Soviet Union.
Were between 1945 and 1991 Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belorussia independent countries or were part of Soviet Union??
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
"I find the Serbian "protest" as ridiculous and childish.
What the Serbian representative is trying to achieve with this "protest"?. Annoying the Albanians? You not failing on that))))"
(EA, 17 November 2009 20:32)
Whatever you think is not imporant. Clearly, Serbs achieved what they wanted to with this protest. Still think it was silly?
>>I thought Kosova was a province? Provinces don't attend high-level meetings. Provinces aren't members of International Org (World Bank & IMF). Provinces aren't recognized by over 63 UN member States. Provinces don't have embassies with other countries.
(Kosovari)
thanks you, Kosovari, for (re)stating the obvious.
dacic is quite silly and i really can't take him seriously...
as for Kosovo/a, i think the elections went splendidly -- just read a very nice article on the BBC, very positive, about the elections. it is really a great sign, regardless of what is said here. the icj ruling is a mere bump in the road, i actually look forward to it! though the day after they lose, same ole arguments...
oh well, we're all in it for the long haul.
by the way, i couldn't quite get the last 2 paragraphs... was it serbo-croatian or albanian? seriously, i'm not sure.
ciao!
"We have confronted this, having in mind that Kosovo representatives can only take part in the forum either together with UNMIK or under a clear sign that they are under the Resolution 1244, which they did eventually," Dačić told Tanjug
I guess Serbia doesn't want Kosovo to be a part of Serbia?
Why does Serbia continue to insist 1244? If Serbia truly wants Kosovo then they should have Kosovo integrate back with Serbia and not be a part of "UNMIK"! Who controls UNMIK? I guuess Serbia doesn't want to be responsible for Kosovo but still claims it as Serbian? If you don't want something then you can't have it! Dacic and Serbia is admitting he would rather have Kosovo a European colony then Serbian.
I thought Kosovo was part of Serbia and not UNMIK?
I find the Serbian "protest" as ridiculous and childish.
What the Serbian representative is trying to achieve with this "protest"?. Annoying the Albanians? You not failing on that))))
1244 does not allow Serbia to enter the White Schengen. Please read 1244 and conditions for W.Schengen for more details.
(Olf, 17 November 2009 13:37)
We all know how many candles you must be burning every day for it not to happen, but save your money and get ready for an ongoing frustration!!
Welcome to Switzerland
"And like a good kids they are,they removed the sign.
Did they think they could get away with it.!
Good to see who the real boss is.
(lids, 17 November 2009 15:35) "
Read the article carefully - ALL signboards were removed, including of other representatives. Unless the article is not written clearly.
Either way, it hardly makes any difference. The Kosovan team still participated with the same personnel
FTA: "Kosovo representatives can only take part in the forum either together with UNMIK or under a clear sign that they are under the Resolution 1244, which they did eventually."
kosova-usa, do you ever actually read the article? #1, this was not a round table meeting, it was a conference.
#2, when it's said that they "removed all of the signs" before the conference began it means that resolution 1244 is still in force and everything your 'government' has done has been illegal, and finally
#3, reality is not relative, it is what it is. and it doesn't just sink in for serbs...
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
(Kosova-USA, 17 November 2009 10:14)
I thought Kosova was a province? Provinces don't attend high-level meetings. Provinces aren't members of International Org (World Bank & IMF). Provinces aren't recognized by over 63 UN member States. Provinces don't have embassies with other countries.
This kind of petty, tit for tat Serbian diplomacy must be irritating and counterproductive to the international participants at these regional conferences.
Ivica Dacic should have cast a vote in his home town of Prizren if he really wants to have a say in what goes on in Kosova.
Silly comments.
Of course Dachic will sit with the Albanians. On the other hand I am very surprised that Albanians accepted to sit with him, since all those so-called "conferences" are just a introduction to the new round of talks about Kosovo's status, which Albanians fiercely renounce.
So at the end it is a good thing for Albanians to get use themselves to the fact that they will have to sit with a Serb delegation and start Kosovo status talks from the scratch.
Peace to all
I wonder if any other country when faced with an illegal UDI for a region of their country wouldnt protest when the agreed rules and laws have been so provocatively broken. I would imagine most would want the rules to be adhered to. All Serbia is doing is trying to ensure that all recognise the law as it stands currently, ie under 1244 Kosovo is actually still part of Serbia and under the rules of 1244 any representation of Kosovo has to be under the auspices of the assigned authorities and not as "an independant Kosovo" I fail to see how this stance is either uneeded protest or childish. It is simply a country protecting its rights.
I would hope that all comments could be made with this in mind. Lets wait to see the outcome of ICJ advice and then all concerned should sit down and discuss all possibilities. This kind of pointless provocation does nothing to foster a balanced and fair approach to the future.
(UK, 17 November 2009 13:34)
Well the Kosovo delagation diden't go no where and they was at the meeting despite Dacic's protest. The childish thing is that Dacic accepted this and diden't walk out despite the presence of the Kosovo delagation wich Dacic protested over.
Kosovo is ruled by it's own people so 1244 is just a number like 1234. And Serbia will never rule Kosovo or have influance over the territory. 2 million albanian are against Serbia so the only thing Serbia can do is to kill us or leave Kosovo alone.
can the serbs delegation do something better than protesting all the time.soon the republic of serbia will be called the REPUBLIC OF PROTEST
I wonder if any other country when faced with an illegal UDI for a region of their country wouldnt protest when the agreed rules and laws have been so provocatively broken. I would imagine most would want the rules to be adhered to. All Serbia is doing is trying to ensure that all recognise the law as it stands currently, ie under 1244 Kosovo is actually still part of Serbia and under the rules of 1244 any representation of Kosovo has to be under the auspices of the assigned authorities and not as "an independant Kosovo" I fail to see how this stance is either uneeded protest or childish. It is simply a country protecting its rights.
I would hope that all comments could be made with this in mind. Lets wait to see the outcome of ICJ advice and then all concerned should sit down and discuss all possibilities. This kind of pointless provocation does nothing to foster a balanced and fair approach to the future.
For however was tending to forget, the number 1244 sticked to kosovo's back is very well alive until the UN decides otherwise, it was the reality, remains the reality and will be the reality for a long time!!
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
For however was tending to forget, the number 1244 sticked to kosovo's back is very well alive until the UN decides otherwise, it was the reality, remains the reality and will be the reality for a long time!!
can the serbs delegation do something better than protesting all the time.soon the republic of serbia will be called the REPUBLIC OF PROTEST
I wonder if any other country when faced with an illegal UDI for a region of their country wouldnt protest when the agreed rules and laws have been so provocatively broken. I would imagine most would want the rules to be adhered to. All Serbia is doing is trying to ensure that all recognise the law as it stands currently, ie under 1244 Kosovo is actually still part of Serbia and under the rules of 1244 any representation of Kosovo has to be under the auspices of the assigned authorities and not as "an independant Kosovo" I fail to see how this stance is either uneeded protest or childish. It is simply a country protecting its rights.
I would hope that all comments could be made with this in mind. Lets wait to see the outcome of ICJ advice and then all concerned should sit down and discuss all possibilities. This kind of pointless provocation does nothing to foster a balanced and fair approach to the future.
I wonder if any other country when faced with an illegal UDI for a region of their country wouldnt protest when the agreed rules and laws have been so provocatively broken. I would imagine most would want the rules to be adhered to. All Serbia is doing is trying to ensure that all recognise the law as it stands currently, ie under 1244 Kosovo is actually still part of Serbia and under the rules of 1244 any representation of Kosovo has to be under the auspices of the assigned authorities and not as "an independant Kosovo" I fail to see how this stance is either uneeded protest or childish. It is simply a country protecting its rights.
I would hope that all comments could be made with this in mind. Lets wait to see the outcome of ICJ advice and then all concerned should sit down and discuss all possibilities. This kind of pointless provocation does nothing to foster a balanced and fair approach to the future.
(UK, 17 November 2009 13:34)
Well the Kosovo delagation diden't go no where and they was at the meeting despite Dacic's protest. The childish thing is that Dacic accepted this and diden't walk out despite the presence of the Kosovo delagation wich Dacic protested over.
Kosovo is ruled by it's own people so 1244 is just a number like 1234. And Serbia will never rule Kosovo or have influance over the territory. 2 million albanian are against Serbia so the only thing Serbia can do is to kill us or leave Kosovo alone.
I thought Kosova was a province? Provinces don't attend high-level meetings. Provinces aren't members of International Org (World Bank & IMF). Provinces aren't recognized by over 63 UN member States. Provinces don't have embassies with other countries.
Silly comments.
Of course Dachic will sit with the Albanians. On the other hand I am very surprised that Albanians accepted to sit with him, since all those so-called "conferences" are just a introduction to the new round of talks about Kosovo's status, which Albanians fiercely renounce.
So at the end it is a good thing for Albanians to get use themselves to the fact that they will have to sit with a Serb delegation and start Kosovo status talks from the scratch.
Peace to all
This kind of petty, tit for tat Serbian diplomacy must be irritating and counterproductive to the international participants at these regional conferences.
Ivica Dacic should have cast a vote in his home town of Prizren if he really wants to have a say in what goes on in Kosova.
"And like a good kids they are,they removed the sign.
Did they think they could get away with it.!
Good to see who the real boss is.
(lids, 17 November 2009 15:35) "
Read the article carefully - ALL signboards were removed, including of other representatives. Unless the article is not written clearly.
Either way, it hardly makes any difference. The Kosovan team still participated with the same personnel
1244 does not allow Serbia to enter the White Schengen. Please read 1244 and conditions for W.Schengen for more details.
(Olf, 17 November 2009 13:37)
We all know how many candles you must be burning every day for it not to happen, but save your money and get ready for an ongoing frustration!!
Welcome to Switzerland
I find the Serbian "protest" as ridiculous and childish.
What the Serbian representative is trying to achieve with this "protest"?. Annoying the Albanians? You not failing on that))))
FTA: "Kosovo representatives can only take part in the forum either together with UNMIK or under a clear sign that they are under the Resolution 1244, which they did eventually."
kosova-usa, do you ever actually read the article? #1, this was not a round table meeting, it was a conference.
#2, when it's said that they "removed all of the signs" before the conference began it means that resolution 1244 is still in force and everything your 'government' has done has been illegal, and finally
#3, reality is not relative, it is what it is. and it doesn't just sink in for serbs...
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
(Kosova-USA, 17 November 2009 10:14)
"We have confronted this, having in mind that Kosovo representatives can only take part in the forum either together with UNMIK or under a clear sign that they are under the Resolution 1244, which they did eventually," Dačić told Tanjug
I guess Serbia doesn't want Kosovo to be a part of Serbia?
Why does Serbia continue to insist 1244? If Serbia truly wants Kosovo then they should have Kosovo integrate back with Serbia and not be a part of "UNMIK"! Who controls UNMIK? I guuess Serbia doesn't want to be responsible for Kosovo but still claims it as Serbian? If you don't want something then you can't have it! Dacic and Serbia is admitting he would rather have Kosovo a European colony then Serbian.
I thought Kosovo was part of Serbia and not UNMIK?
>>I thought Kosova was a province? Provinces don't attend high-level meetings. Provinces aren't members of International Org (World Bank & IMF). Provinces aren't recognized by over 63 UN member States. Provinces don't have embassies with other countries.
(Kosovari)
thanks you, Kosovari, for (re)stating the obvious.
dacic is quite silly and i really can't take him seriously...
as for Kosovo/a, i think the elections went splendidly -- just read a very nice article on the BBC, very positive, about the elections. it is really a great sign, regardless of what is said here. the icj ruling is a mere bump in the road, i actually look forward to it! though the day after they lose, same ole arguments...
oh well, we're all in it for the long haul.
by the way, i couldn't quite get the last 2 paragraphs... was it serbo-croatian or albanian? seriously, i'm not sure.
ciao!
Our self appointed beacom of neo-liberal beacon of moral guidance and Balkan expert cant tell Serbo-Croat from Albanian. Oh Holy Mother of God.
(Niall O'Doherty, 18 November 2009 10:17)
"I find the Serbian "protest" as ridiculous and childish.
What the Serbian representative is trying to achieve with this "protest"?. Annoying the Albanians? You not failing on that))))"
(EA, 17 November 2009 20:32)
Whatever you think is not imporant. Clearly, Serbs achieved what they wanted to with this protest. Still think it was silly?
Go back to the story and read
''all the signs were removed''
so does this make all member countries property of UNMIK or 1244.,meeting took place though!!!
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
(Kosova-USA, 17 November 2009 10:14)
You just don’t get! Do you? The Albanians are not going to be recognized by Serbia and the EU/US can play their silly little games for ever if they like. When you deal with these western bureaucrats you’re dealing with puerile knuckleheads who actually think that if there is no UMNIK sign then the Serbs will get used to the idea and believe they are making an important psychological breakthrough – I’m not joking that’s how they think.
Ask yourself, why does the US/EU bother with these talks? They are a power in this world and can do anything they like. Well things have changed dramatically in the last decade and they realize that they are stuck with 2 million people with no prospect of a decent life and promising the world will not last too long so they have to negotiate a settlement. This is where the Serbs can afford to sit and wait while the EU/US goes bankrupt, and I don’t think it has too long to go before the final kaput, or the Albanians turn on them and I don’t think that too far off either.
If life is difficult in the US with 49 million unable to sustain themselves with sufficient food then the writing on the wall is there for everyone to see.
After Dačić’s protest, all signboards were removed, after which the conference began, the minister, who is also Serbia's first deputy prime minister, said.
Thats very important,so our province got equated as a province and not as a state.
Dacic,well done!
Either way, it hardly makes any difference. The Kosovan team still participated with the same personnel
(nikshala, 17 November 2009 18:44)
yes nikshala-the moral of this story is that Serbia rules-while the rest obeys..
blahblahblah - Kosovari - soviet republisc - Ukrainian and Belorussian - were MEMBERS of United Nations from creation of these organization until break of Soviet Union.
Were between 1945 and 1991 Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belorussia independent countries or were part of Soviet Union??
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
Knowing the sources it is hard to know exactly what happened but what I read is;
All the signs were removed meaning that everyone was sitting without signs or the Kosovo representatives sit without signs. This means in order to proceed the Kosovo sign was removed to quieten Serbia down but they were not required to place an UNMIK or 1244 sign.
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
(Milan, 18 November 2009 00:36)
See most Serbs don't get it that it's the reality in the ground that matter to most of us not recognitions. The more recognitions the better of course but as long as Albanians have a say in what goes in Kosova we're fine evene with the status quo. You can rejoice while the like sof Dacic take signs down we'll be rejoicing in our newfound freedom.
Not that it is relevant but I could not find a listing for Palestine in the membership of the UN.
(pss, 18 November 2009 21:59)
Becouse Palestine is no full member (full membership is only for independent states), but from 1974 have status of observer (similar like Vatican and Switzerland between 1948-2002), from 1976 can participate in Security Council debates (only independent countries have similar rights) and from 1998 palestinian delegates participate in General Assembly debates.
Pseudoindependent Kosovo - have nothing. No full membership, no observer status, nothing... Their politicians can be only smuggled into UN buildings by Albanian delegates.
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
(Milan, 18 November 2009 00:36
Not that it is relevant but I could not find a listing for Palestine in the membership of the UN.
dacic is quite silly and i really can't take him seriously...
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
He's an apparatchik. Not silly at all. He (mostly) won the debate against a very sympathetic, intelligent and dynamic Jeta Xharra (see it on Youtube). She cornered him only on the MUP in Kosovo issue. Otherwise he won - and she is not bad at all. Apparently, he is a very skilled apparatchik.
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as for Kosovo/a, i think the elections went splendidly -- just read a very nice article on the BBC, very positive, about the elections.
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
You mean this one?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8361972.stm
Please read the start:
"European monitors said the poll - the first since the country declared independence from Serbia last year - met many international standards."
I would not call such sentence a positive at all. In the fact, it's a devastating one. But I wasn't there during the elections and I can't say much. Just when BBC writes about election that it 'met many international standards' I begin to scratch my head. But again, I have no idea because I wasn't there.
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The icj ruling is a mere bump in the road, i actually look forward to it! though the day after they lose, same ole arguments...
oh well, we're all in it for the long haul.
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by the way, i couldn't quite get the last 2 paragraphs... was it serbo-croatian or albanian? seriously, i'm not sure.
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
Where? I don't see it in BBC article. Telling written Albanian and latinic written Serbo-Croatian apart is not that tough, Albanian has a lot of "umlauts" like "ë", uses "sh" for "sh" and "ç" for "ch". Also in some cases the "soft ch" is written like "q". On the other hand, latinic written Serbo-Croatian has a lot of "hacheks", but no "umlauts".
Of course, the roots of almost every word in Serbian and even more than that in the Croatian dialect are identical with Russian. But Serbo-Croatian or Bulgaro-Macedonian does not help to understand Russian and Russian does not help to understand say, Bulgarian or Serbian if you do not know at least one of these languages PERFECTLY because you need to know all synonymes to guess the other language. But if you know the synonymes than more often than not you won't even need an interpreter.
Last time I was in Sopoćani (notice the "hachek" over "c", Albanians would write "Sopoqani") there was a Bulgarian group. The priest was not strong in Bulgarian and Russian, so he asked can he speak slowly Serbian or use English. Bulgarians opted for "slow Serbian" and I did not object either.
We just ignored Dacic and he had to stay and listen to Kosovo representative Kelmendi as well. That's the choice Serbia has. Can't join EU with that kind of talking!!!
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
For however was tending to forget, the number 1244 sticked to kosovo's back is very well alive until the UN decides otherwise, it was the reality, remains the reality and will be the reality for a long time!!
This kind of petty, tit for tat Serbian diplomacy must be irritating and counterproductive to the international participants at these regional conferences.
Ivica Dacic should have cast a vote in his home town of Prizren if he really wants to have a say in what goes on in Kosova.
Silly comments.
Of course Dachic will sit with the Albanians. On the other hand I am very surprised that Albanians accepted to sit with him, since all those so-called "conferences" are just a introduction to the new round of talks about Kosovo's status, which Albanians fiercely renounce.
So at the end it is a good thing for Albanians to get use themselves to the fact that they will have to sit with a Serb delegation and start Kosovo status talks from the scratch.
Peace to all
can the serbs delegation do something better than protesting all the time.soon the republic of serbia will be called the REPUBLIC OF PROTEST
I wonder if any other country when faced with an illegal UDI for a region of their country wouldnt protest when the agreed rules and laws have been so provocatively broken. I would imagine most would want the rules to be adhered to. All Serbia is doing is trying to ensure that all recognise the law as it stands currently, ie under 1244 Kosovo is actually still part of Serbia and under the rules of 1244 any representation of Kosovo has to be under the auspices of the assigned authorities and not as "an independant Kosovo" I fail to see how this stance is either uneeded protest or childish. It is simply a country protecting its rights.
I would hope that all comments could be made with this in mind. Lets wait to see the outcome of ICJ advice and then all concerned should sit down and discuss all possibilities. This kind of pointless provocation does nothing to foster a balanced and fair approach to the future.
I thought Kosova was a province? Provinces don't attend high-level meetings. Provinces aren't members of International Org (World Bank & IMF). Provinces aren't recognized by over 63 UN member States. Provinces don't have embassies with other countries.
I wonder if any other country when faced with an illegal UDI for a region of their country wouldnt protest when the agreed rules and laws have been so provocatively broken. I would imagine most would want the rules to be adhered to. All Serbia is doing is trying to ensure that all recognise the law as it stands currently, ie under 1244 Kosovo is actually still part of Serbia and under the rules of 1244 any representation of Kosovo has to be under the auspices of the assigned authorities and not as "an independant Kosovo" I fail to see how this stance is either uneeded protest or childish. It is simply a country protecting its rights.
I would hope that all comments could be made with this in mind. Lets wait to see the outcome of ICJ advice and then all concerned should sit down and discuss all possibilities. This kind of pointless provocation does nothing to foster a balanced and fair approach to the future.
(UK, 17 November 2009 13:34)
Well the Kosovo delagation diden't go no where and they was at the meeting despite Dacic's protest. The childish thing is that Dacic accepted this and diden't walk out despite the presence of the Kosovo delagation wich Dacic protested over.
Kosovo is ruled by it's own people so 1244 is just a number like 1234. And Serbia will never rule Kosovo or have influance over the territory. 2 million albanian are against Serbia so the only thing Serbia can do is to kill us or leave Kosovo alone.
>>I thought Kosova was a province? Provinces don't attend high-level meetings. Provinces aren't members of International Org (World Bank & IMF). Provinces aren't recognized by over 63 UN member States. Provinces don't have embassies with other countries.
(Kosovari)
thanks you, Kosovari, for (re)stating the obvious.
dacic is quite silly and i really can't take him seriously...
as for Kosovo/a, i think the elections went splendidly -- just read a very nice article on the BBC, very positive, about the elections. it is really a great sign, regardless of what is said here. the icj ruling is a mere bump in the road, i actually look forward to it! though the day after they lose, same ole arguments...
oh well, we're all in it for the long haul.
by the way, i couldn't quite get the last 2 paragraphs... was it serbo-croatian or albanian? seriously, i'm not sure.
ciao!
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
(Kosova-USA, 17 November 2009 10:14)
"And like a good kids they are,they removed the sign.
Did they think they could get away with it.!
Good to see who the real boss is.
(lids, 17 November 2009 15:35) "
Read the article carefully - ALL signboards were removed, including of other representatives. Unless the article is not written clearly.
Either way, it hardly makes any difference. The Kosovan team still participated with the same personnel
I find the Serbian "protest" as ridiculous and childish.
What the Serbian representative is trying to achieve with this "protest"?. Annoying the Albanians? You not failing on that))))
FTA: "Kosovo representatives can only take part in the forum either together with UNMIK or under a clear sign that they are under the Resolution 1244, which they did eventually."
kosova-usa, do you ever actually read the article? #1, this was not a round table meeting, it was a conference.
#2, when it's said that they "removed all of the signs" before the conference began it means that resolution 1244 is still in force and everything your 'government' has done has been illegal, and finally
#3, reality is not relative, it is what it is. and it doesn't just sink in for serbs...
"We have confronted this, having in mind that Kosovo representatives can only take part in the forum either together with UNMIK or under a clear sign that they are under the Resolution 1244, which they did eventually," Dačić told Tanjug
I guess Serbia doesn't want Kosovo to be a part of Serbia?
Why does Serbia continue to insist 1244? If Serbia truly wants Kosovo then they should have Kosovo integrate back with Serbia and not be a part of "UNMIK"! Who controls UNMIK? I guuess Serbia doesn't want to be responsible for Kosovo but still claims it as Serbian? If you don't want something then you can't have it! Dacic and Serbia is admitting he would rather have Kosovo a European colony then Serbian.
I thought Kosovo was part of Serbia and not UNMIK?
"I find the Serbian "protest" as ridiculous and childish.
What the Serbian representative is trying to achieve with this "protest"?. Annoying the Albanians? You not failing on that))))"
(EA, 17 November 2009 20:32)
Whatever you think is not imporant. Clearly, Serbs achieved what they wanted to with this protest. Still think it was silly?
Either way, it hardly makes any difference. The Kosovan team still participated with the same personnel
(nikshala, 17 November 2009 18:44)
yes nikshala-the moral of this story is that Serbia rules-while the rest obeys..
1244 does not allow Serbia to enter the White Schengen. Please read 1244 and conditions for W.Schengen for more details.
(Olf, 17 November 2009 13:37)
We all know how many candles you must be burning every day for it not to happen, but save your money and get ready for an ongoing frustration!!
Welcome to Switzerland
I am suprised that he did not walk out , rather than sitting in round table where Kosova govermant delegation was attending same meeting.
I guess reality is sinking in slowly but surely.
(Kosova-USA, 17 November 2009 10:14)
You just don’t get! Do you? The Albanians are not going to be recognized by Serbia and the EU/US can play their silly little games for ever if they like. When you deal with these western bureaucrats you’re dealing with puerile knuckleheads who actually think that if there is no UMNIK sign then the Serbs will get used to the idea and believe they are making an important psychological breakthrough – I’m not joking that’s how they think.
Ask yourself, why does the US/EU bother with these talks? They are a power in this world and can do anything they like. Well things have changed dramatically in the last decade and they realize that they are stuck with 2 million people with no prospect of a decent life and promising the world will not last too long so they have to negotiate a settlement. This is where the Serbs can afford to sit and wait while the EU/US goes bankrupt, and I don’t think it has too long to go before the final kaput, or the Albanians turn on them and I don’t think that too far off either.
If life is difficult in the US with 49 million unable to sustain themselves with sufficient food then the writing on the wall is there for everyone to see.
After Dačić’s protest, all signboards were removed, after which the conference began, the minister, who is also Serbia's first deputy prime minister, said.
Thats very important,so our province got equated as a province and not as a state.
Dacic,well done!
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
(Milan, 18 November 2009 00:36)
See most Serbs don't get it that it's the reality in the ground that matter to most of us not recognitions. The more recognitions the better of course but as long as Albanians have a say in what goes in Kosova we're fine evene with the status quo. You can rejoice while the like sof Dacic take signs down we'll be rejoicing in our newfound freedom.
We just ignored Dacic and he had to stay and listen to Kosovo representative Kelmendi as well. That's the choice Serbia has. Can't join EU with that kind of talking!!!
blahblahblah - Kosovari - soviet republisc - Ukrainian and Belorussian - were MEMBERS of United Nations from creation of these organization until break of Soviet Union.
Were between 1945 and 1991 Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belorussia independent countries or were part of Soviet Union??
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
Our self appointed beacom of neo-liberal beacon of moral guidance and Balkan expert cant tell Serbo-Croat from Albanian. Oh Holy Mother of God.
(Niall O'Doherty, 18 November 2009 10:17)
Knowing the sources it is hard to know exactly what happened but what I read is;
All the signs were removed meaning that everyone was sitting without signs or the Kosovo representatives sit without signs. This means in order to proceed the Kosovo sign was removed to quieten Serbia down but they were not required to place an UNMIK or 1244 sign.
Not that it is relevant but I could not find a listing for Palestine in the membership of the UN.
(pss, 18 November 2009 21:59)
Becouse Palestine is no full member (full membership is only for independent states), but from 1974 have status of observer (similar like Vatican and Switzerland between 1948-2002), from 1976 can participate in Security Council debates (only independent countries have similar rights) and from 1998 palestinian delegates participate in General Assembly debates.
Pseudoindependent Kosovo - have nothing. No full membership, no observer status, nothing... Their politicians can be only smuggled into UN buildings by Albanian delegates.
Go back to the story and read
''all the signs were removed''
so does this make all member countries property of UNMIK or 1244.,meeting took place though!!!
dacic is quite silly and i really can't take him seriously...
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
He's an apparatchik. Not silly at all. He (mostly) won the debate against a very sympathetic, intelligent and dynamic Jeta Xharra (see it on Youtube). She cornered him only on the MUP in Kosovo issue. Otherwise he won - and she is not bad at all. Apparently, he is a very skilled apparatchik.
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as for Kosovo/a, i think the elections went splendidly -- just read a very nice article on the BBC, very positive, about the elections.
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
You mean this one?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8361972.stm
Please read the start:
"European monitors said the poll - the first since the country declared independence from Serbia last year - met many international standards."
I would not call such sentence a positive at all. In the fact, it's a devastating one. But I wasn't there during the elections and I can't say much. Just when BBC writes about election that it 'met many international standards' I begin to scratch my head. But again, I have no idea because I wasn't there.
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The icj ruling is a mere bump in the road, i actually look forward to it! though the day after they lose, same ole arguments...
oh well, we're all in it for the long haul.
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by the way, i couldn't quite get the last 2 paragraphs... was it serbo-croatian or albanian? seriously, i'm not sure.
(roberto, 17 November 2009 21:45)
Where? I don't see it in BBC article. Telling written Albanian and latinic written Serbo-Croatian apart is not that tough, Albanian has a lot of "umlauts" like "ë", uses "sh" for "sh" and "ç" for "ch". Also in some cases the "soft ch" is written like "q". On the other hand, latinic written Serbo-Croatian has a lot of "hacheks", but no "umlauts".
Of course, the roots of almost every word in Serbian and even more than that in the Croatian dialect are identical with Russian. But Serbo-Croatian or Bulgaro-Macedonian does not help to understand Russian and Russian does not help to understand say, Bulgarian or Serbian if you do not know at least one of these languages PERFECTLY because you need to know all synonymes to guess the other language. But if you know the synonymes than more often than not you won't even need an interpreter.
Last time I was in Sopoćani (notice the "hachek" over "c", Albanians would write "Sopoqani") there was a Bulgarian group. The priest was not strong in Bulgarian and Russian, so he asked can he speak slowly Serbian or use English. Bulgarians opted for "slow Serbian" and I did not object either.
Palestine - is recognized by 117 states (much more than Kosovo) and IS MEMBER of United Nations. Is Palestine independent state or still part of Israel??
(Milan, 18 November 2009 00:36
Not that it is relevant but I could not find a listing for Palestine in the membership of the UN.
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