Wednesday, 28.10.2009.
14:17
European parliament member Doris Pack said that Serbia will not enter the European Union "until it solves its problems with Kosovo".
Izvor: Beta
pre 16 godina
The simple truth is, Serbia will at some point have to swallow the pill and recognize Kosovo's independence. Even when Kosovo was under direct Serbian rule, only 10% of Serbs lived there, the majority had no wish to settle there. Many have no doubt never visited the place. As for the EU needeing Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU, seriously? The EU seems to have done well without Serbia's membership for 60 odd years
pre 16 godina
BG, the list is incomplete:
About Russia you forgot: Poland 1939 (while it was fighting the nazis), Japan (1945) despite of the non-aggression treaty,.
About China - the border attack on Vietnam in 1979.
(nik, 30 October 2009 14:25)
USA:
- Grenada 1983 - because grenadian government was friendly to Cuba
- Panama 1989 - because dictator established by USA was ingrate
- Serbia 1999 - support for terrorists
- Afghanistan 2001
- Iraq 2003 - false reasons
Who will be next??
pre 16 godina
BG, the list is incomplete:
About Russia you forgot: Poland 1939 (while it was fighting the nazis), Japan (1945) despite of the non-aggression treaty,.
About China - the border attack on Vietnam in 1979.
pre 16 godina
This is really a funny story... First the Us decide to give the independence to Kosovo, violating a resolution of the UN and the International Law. Incredibly (?) many states agree to recognize this illegal action, violating the sovereignity of Serbia and endorsing the violation of the International law, and now there is somebody who has the courage to blame Serbia because it should have good relation with a country which is illegally borned with a mutilation of its territory... Incredible!!!
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Bob,
Bosnia has never been a Muslim majority country, let alone an slamic country!
Changes of demography occure everywhere. The white Americans will soon become a majority in the US. They found a better answer to the problem.
When Yugoslavia fell appart, Bosnia with its mixed population had no option but to stay united and neutral as it did for a while during the Croatian war.
In the case of Albania, keep in mind that it is the ONLY Balkan country that is still within its initial borders with which it emerged from the Ottoman Emprie. (Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania have all managed to at least double their territory after their first reapearence on the map. For all of them this was accepted as national unifications. For the Albanians it is decleared irridentism!
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You didn't answer the question. Who are Russia and China attacking?
Russia attache the following countries UNPROVOKED!
- Finland 1939.
- Bulgaria (1944) During the WWII although a member of the Triple Alience Bulgaria did not declear war to Russia and there was a SOVIET embassy in SOFIA thoughout the war!!! When a pro-alied government tried to break with Hitler, Stalin decleared war (5 sept.1944) aiming a regime change!
- Hungary (1956)
- Czechoslovakia (1968)
- Afghanistan (1980)
- Georgia (2008)
China invaded Tibet, with whom it had diplomatic relations (1950)
pre 16 godina
She knows what she is talking about for sure. She is well informed about the Balkans, especially former Yugoslav countries that she has been involved in Hague.
Nationalism takes you nowhere in a unified Europe more than it has been for centuries. There is only one way for all of us, whether you are Albanian, Serb, Croat or Bosnian, to join the EU. Joining EU starts from doing our homework. Doing our homework includes changing our attitudes about our neighbors, especially politically and economically.
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nik
Yes - the Albanians have a country called Albania.
In the case of RS - as I understand the demographics - it was only in the 60s that Bosnia became majority muslim; the basis for the current demarkation is more religious than ethnic.
RS has more historical precedent than does an islamic based state in Bosnia (a new and unnecessary innovation) and like Kosovo RS has strong justification for being at the heart of Serbia. Historically the Turkish/islamic suppression of Serbs is a deep seated bad memory and I cannot blame any Serb who does not want to be under an islamic based government.
(Note I do not support any of the violence that suppressed muslims or any of the violence that suppressed Serbs. However, while the violence is a stain on both sides we must remember that actually the majority of the populations on either side were never part of that nastiness and just wanted a quite life.)
Until recently, the population demographics of Serbia were about one child per family whereas the demographics elsewhere were around 6 per family. That is the main reason why Serbs have been losing control to Albanians in Kosovo and muslims in Bosnia.
Many of the problems that are viewed as good vs bad are better understood in terms of altering demographics.
pre 16 godina
It would make a welcome change from American Empire ... I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
...What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
Peggy,
You have NO idea what are you talking about. Yugoslavia was SO lucky that it managed to slip away from the Russian orbit. And it prospered because it was assited by the West.
By the way, could you imagine what will happen in YOUR Australia, if the US fleet staps patroling the high seas?
(BG, 29 October 2009 11:00)
You didn't answer the question. Who are Russia and China attacking?
Do enlighten me. What would happen to Australia without American fleet? You're not one of those people who are saying that Indonesia will attack Australia, are you?
pre 16 godina
Some other genious said that all the Serbs are concerned about is to make sure that the Kosovo state fails. Are you serious? Is that all you care about. Wow!
(Tirana, 29 October 2009 17:56)
kosovo became a failed state on february 17th, 2008...
pre 16 godina
I can't help but comment on the Serb camp. If Doris Pack would have made comments in Serbia's favor, you would have all cherished and praised her, whereas today, obviously nobody cares about what she has to say. But oh yeah instead we should all watch out for Russia, the new powerhouse....pff...c'mon guys get to your senses.
Some other genious said that all the Serbs are concerned about is to make sure that the Kosovo state fails. Are you serious? Is that all you care about. Wow!
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Niall
Don't confuse wishful thinking with facts on the ground.
Just because the West is experiencing a crisis, doesn't mean it will roll over and die.
All those things you mentioned, the West has experienced before... Germany with hyperinflation, the Great Depression and 2 world wars and yet the West came out on top.
This blips you're see are just rude reminders to consumers that money doesn't grow on trees and you can't spend more than you earn.
Btw...the moving of heavy industries and so on to China is a simple case of comparative advantage in economics.
Now, with their cheap labor, the Chinese will get to choke on pollution (like the Brits and the U.S. did 50 years ago) until they're rich enough to ship their heavy, dirty industries to...Africa in the future.
Btw... as far as I know, in the long term, commodities have always underperformed the stock market.
pre 16 godina
Wise woman, for sure!
pre 16 godina
It would make a welcome change from American Empire ... I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
...What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
Peggy,
You have NO idea what are you talking about. Yugoslavia was SO lucky that it managed to slip away from the Russian orbit. And it prospered because it was assited by the West.
By the way, could you imagine what will happen in YOUR Australia, if the US fleet staps patroling the high seas?
pre 16 godina
Niall...
The UK was written off in the 70-s too...and then it bounced right back.
I'm willing to bet a lot of countries try to imitate Britain and the U.S. and the West as models to develop their economies. How many can you name that follow the "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Russian" model?
(Ment, 28 October 2009 20:38)
Ment, where have you been for the last 12 months?
Firstly, the UK ceased to be a world power in 1956 during the Suez Crisis when Eisenhower forced Eden to withdraw or he threatened to bring down the UK's economy. Britain has been in terminal decline since.
Its heavy industries and manufacturing (the mainstay of British power) have since been dismantled and sold off (often to Chinese and Indian firms) or shipped overseas, e.g. Vauxhall, MG Rover, British Leyland, shipbuilding, coal mining, iron and steel, depletion of North Sea gas reserves. It is reduced to the mere shell it once was. Its economy is wrecked and is facing not only inflation but also default. Take a look at the money markets to see how the sterling is doing. Its plunging at a catastrophic rate just like the US dollar. Gordon Brown then Chancellor of the Exchequer sold of the UK's entire gold reserve with the result that the UK is left with a worthless fiat currency, shell shocked economy with rising unemployment and a massive hole in public finances not to mention the already massive debt it has accumulated. To compound Gordon Brown's misery, Scotland is making moves on withdrawing from the UK. That to me Ment sounds like a country in terminal decline. The UK never did bounce back. Its been in a deathward spiral since the mid 1950s. Its empire, a projection of British imperial and geopolitical power is long gone.
Secondly, it is the neo-liberal economic model of low tax, high spend, easy credit which fuelled a credit and property bubble and lax regulation of the financial sector - the banks has led to the near collapse of the Western economies thanks to the model espoused by the US/UK. The Fed in the US has resorted to the Zimbabwe model of economics by printing more fiat money in a bid to bail out the banks and free up liquidity. It hasn't and wont work. The US is a trainwreck and its only a matter of time before the whole lot comes tumbling down. Even the FGIC which bails out mortgage/ insurance corporations is broke. What will happen in the US will be hyperinflation, 25%+ unemployment, food queues, civil unrest, mass homelessness and ultimatley economic collapse. Its heading that way.
China on the otherhand has been getting ready. Beijing recently bought up $500 billion of gold bullion reserves, India's economy is holding having diversified its economy and buying gold while Russia has oil and gas not to mention vital national minerals that the rest of the world needs. Gold, Silver and minerals is where its at Ment not worthless US bonds and dollars.
I can see where the world is going and how things will pan out in the decades ahead, its a pity you still cant. Either way you lot are screwed.
the failed Western neo liberal economic model is kaput.
A bit of advice Ment, buy gold. Get your hands on the stuff. Trust me, when your paper money becomes worthless you will be thanking me.
pre 16 godina
To: Hank the Tank,
Everybody knows that Mr. Gerhard Schroder is nothing else just a contraversial person who says something for what you pay him. He was the one who sent the german airplanes to bomb Serbia during 99. Now he is CEO of North Stream Pipeline with russians and thats why now he says what russians and serbians likes, only because he is paid well.
My dear fellows serbians, albanians and whom ever you are lets accept the reality and build a bright future for our children, in EU or outside of EU. Even if we start oneother war among serbs and albanians nobody is going to win, we all know this from very recent past experience...
Albanians are not respected from other ballkan nations for only one reason and that is: because albanians have a very ancient origin there, they live in ballcan peninsula for millenias, while other nations came there much late, after VII century and simply they wanted to get all the land that albanians had in their possesion.
I wonder if serbs at any time were majority in Kosovo, how it could be that they even during the Millosevic regime they could not become more then 5% of total population!
pre 16 godina
Remember that Albanians have a country and it is called Albania.
Incredable! Just tell the Serbs in RS that Serbs have a country called Serbia!
The concept of "mother countries" is rediculous!
Either the region will be included in the EU with or it will be capsulated. The Vidin-Calafat bridge is soon to be completer, so the transport corridors could easily by-pass Serbia!
pre 16 godina
Doris has ZERO clout & credibility because the EU is controlled by their energy supplier RUSSIA & Medvedev said he wants Serbia in the EU. Pack & other ant-Serb eurocrats are a dying remnant of the pro-US elites that RUSSIA is making obsolete & such comments by her are the last yelps of a desperate dying animal, just like Yeltsin's empty threats to NATO in '99, Pack's words are just rhetoric to give the doomed & defeated Serbian-Albanians in K&M a little hope to continue their HOPELESS battle.
pre 16 godina
it is very clear that serbia cant enter eu without to have good neighborly relations with kosovo this is a condition for eu membership
pre 16 godina
"Is that what you really want Niall, a world dominated by Russia and China, becareful what you wish for, I take your comments with a grain of salt because I know they are obviously meant to spew pro-serb rhetoric. Maybe you do travel back and forth from the future and have a DeLorean parked outside your flat, that would explain your ominous visions of the future. I prefer to take things one day at a time and the reality I see right now is a growing and increasingly confident Kosovar people allied with the mightiest super power there has ever been."
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 21:06)
It would make a welcome change from American Empire we have now. What do we have now? Wars all over the planet without even a hint of stopping. That's thanks to the greedy elites in the US.
We've had decades of wars waged by America in order to exploit people all over the world. I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
Anything would be better than what we have now.
What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
pre 16 godina
This MEP should stand on one leg and whistle.
There is no sustainable way for Serbia to accept the UDI - that would be storing up trouble forever. It would disrupt internal Serbian politics in an untenable way that would never resolve. A stand-off can last a long time, but a permanent acceptance of Kosovo is an impossibility. Any foreign politician who cannot cope with this concept is not fit to pass comment*.
For a while the Albanians can have a small county as a UN protectorate - but for the long term any integration will have to be because of defacto integration within Europe - not because Serbia is forced to renounce a fundamental possession.
Remember that Albanians have a country and it is called Albania.
Kosovo is not a country in any meaningful sense of the word and will never be able to establish any meaningful concept of nationhood - multilateral or otherwise. It will continue to be an anomaly for however long it manages to continue to exist.
The advent of the UDI is a symptom but not a cure for troubles of a few years ago.
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*... unless their aim is to sabotage Serbia joining the EU.
pre 16 godina
oh, Doris, ...poor Doris...
there is no problem with Serbia staying outside the EU!
you need us more than we need you, and that´s something at least the ruling circles in the EU know very well.
let´s just see whether Doris will not be just another of these political caricatures with remarks of a quite low importance who will be forgotten sooner than later...
Serbia will prevail!
pre 16 godina
Some harsh words from the Serbian commentators. There you have it we knew long ago that there is no Europe for Serbia until it recognizes Kosovo.
Viva Kosovo.
(Mendo, 28 October 2009 16:04)
My friend, only states can enter the EU. I am from a state. Kosovo is a province. Provinces cannot join EU.
Hope this clears things up!
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Why, because this woman said so?
(Peggy, 28 October 2009 20:42)
Not only because she said so, which is in itself a primary indicator of how MP's throughout Europe feel about Serbia entering the EU.
You give this woman too much power. She is not the mouthpiece of European MPs.
She is just one unimportant person who thinks she is important. What power does she really have?
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"That's rarely forgiven and almost never forgotten."
Ment
Oh, buh hu! Stop playing the victim. Perhaps you can remember what Albanians did to us Serbs during WW2? If not, here is a reminder!
"From 1941 to 1944, ethnic Albanians serving the Italian and German occupation authorities killed some 10,000 Serbs; the worst of suffer were Serbs in Pec and Vitomirica where ethnic Albanian volunteers formations wrought terror: before executing their victims they gouged out their eyes, sliced off their ears and severed other parts of their bodies".
Acording to your way of thinking Serbs should have expelled all Albanians from Kosovo after these horrific crimes.
You use the victim card to justify stealing Serbian land. You will never get Serbs to change their minds about Kosovo what ever lie you come up with.
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I would not take old Doris too seriously. She has a record of making silly statements and then spending months having to extract her foot out of her mouth.
As a CDU member, they see what a mess the Germans have made out of the breakup of Yugoslavia and the economic burden its has placed on the EU.
This is the best news for for Serbs. It just gives them more ammunition against their politicians that want to join.
pre 16 godina
Interesting how albanians chose to listen to Doris Pack but not Gerhard Schroeder!
"Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder says that the recognition of Kosovo’s unilateral independence declaration was a grave mistake."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=15&nav_id=62363
What makes the comments of Doris Pack more important then this experienced former german chancellor?
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 17:27)
Why, because this woman said so?
(Peggy, 28 October 2009 20:42)
Not only because she said so, which is in itself a primary indicator of how MP's throughout Europe feel about Serbia entering the EU. Another of many reasons are the statements coming from your own Serbian Radical party who take a very logically approach to the matter, and have been saying for a while now that Tadic and Co. are increasingly leading Serbia down the path of recogniton. The radicals are correct in their view that increased EU influence in Serbia equals increased pressure to recognize Kosova. Serbia has many, many conditions to fulfill not only recognition of Kosova if it ever wishes to enter the EU and take its place as a leader in the Balkans again. Serbia is on the path towards the Eu but that path far from being paved is a dirt road at the moment.
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Niall O'Doherty -
Reality is telling another story Ian. UK and US are bankrupt and the geo-political balance is swinging towards Russia, China and India (Serbia's allies) = multipolar world which will see Serbia's influence in the Balkans strenghtening in the years ahead.
Is that what you really want Niall, a world dominated by Russia and China, becareful what you wish for, I take your comments with a grain of salt because I know they are obviously meant to spew pro-serb rhetoric. Maybe you do travel back and forth from the future and have a DeLorean parked outside your flat, that would explain your ominous visions of the future. I prefer to take things one day at a time and the reality I see right now is a growing and increasingly confident Kosovar people allied with the mightiest super power there has ever been.
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 17:27)
Why, because this woman said so?
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That woman again!!
Doesn't she know when to shut up?
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Niall...
The UK was written off in the 70-s too...and then it bounced right back.
I'm willing to bet a lot of countries try to imitate Britain and the U.S. and the West as models to develop their economies. How many can you name that follow the "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Russian" model?
To a lot of posters here that keep babbling about resolution numbers and what not...remember that there was a lot of innocent blood spilled in the 90-s.
That's rarely forgiven and almost never forgotten.
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ARTA
If albanians were in a better position than serbs you would have white schengen. Not even Albania has it! Don't you wonder why? Kosovo doesn't have an economy. You are on wellfare. Why do you think the West is pressuring Serbia to save them from the mess in Kosovo? Read what was said yesterday:
"It is not in the interest of Serbia to turn Kosovo into a black hole in Europe."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=27&nav_id=62616
The black hole of Kosovo is a dissaster and you know it. You make outrages claims but why don't you prove it?
pre 16 godina
Wait a minute... the same day the Italian FM said that Serbia should apply before the end of the year for the EU,
the Dutch FM said no way,
the French financial audit for the 6 months Napolarkosi presicency declared that two times more was spent than a usual presidency, including the renovation of some luxury rooms, and a shower made to measure for little Napoleon for a cost of 240k (none of it was then ever used..)
and now an order/medal collector is trying to tell what to do and what not to do...
Is this the functional super duper new EU that was promised or a sort of another alien, my God, good that we are not part of this mess and fortunately will never be!!
Now for little mouse, if your are so convinced that the mess you created both in bih and kosovo is not sustainable without Serbia, then it means you f... it up, then Pack your stuff and get down to planet earth direction kosovo and work on the field, thaci is a very handsome guy you might have a chance!!
But I guess that for nothing in the world you will leave your cosy position but rather bark time to time on the Serbian hoping that someone will hear you!
But one thing strikes me, you said that Serbia should have good relation with the neigboring countries, which it does from every direction, so correct me if am wrong, sofar kosova remains a protectorate with the number 1244, so nothing to worry about, or you do not recon the UN?? or is it the XXXk that were poored in this black hole that start hurting your wallet.... you can't have it all, an alien is very costy to entertain!!
pre 16 godina
Putting out someone else's feelers. What a dirty job :)
pre 16 godina
serb camp here portrays Kosova as a backwards country that ONLY EXISTS because of America; and the fall of America in the near future will bring back this country back to Serbian rule.
Even if the American economy crashed 10x harder than 2008 recession in and "Hoovervills" form, and people have little money to buy bread, the Bondsteel base will be here.
Don't bank on the idea of Russian dominance or American's leaving.
Can we for once be realistic or is B92 discussion a wishing well?
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As long as there are germans there will always be problems in the Balkans and central europe.
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Doris,you can talk until you turn blue.
Kosovo is part of Serbia,1244 guaranteeing it.
Threaten whatever you want, it won`t work!
Remember 1999?
We went alone into war with the whole Western world to preserve Kosovo and we succeded because we wrestled the 1244 resolution and luckily our great Slavic brother Russia recovered since then.
Of course it is defacto occupied but de jure it is Serbian and it will stay forever.
Doris,Doris you should know us Serbs from 1918 and 1945,when we get something in our head we carry it through fanatically,no matter the cost.
Shovel our free visas and EU,we have Russia...
pre 16 godina
love sincere and realistic statments from civilised world.
Serbs appear that they didn't learn anything from WWI and WWII, and 1999.
Next time, if Serbia brings itself into new war, they will be eradicated from Balkan map for good.
So dear fellow Illyrian land inhabitants, BE CAUTIOUS...
(PRN, 28 October 2009 15:26)
Remember we Serbs won in WW1 and WW2 and we will win in this war too(which is a continuation of 1999)!
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"I guess Serbia will get the biggest praise for contributing to Kosovo Unification with Albania."
don' tell them! We are just looking them doing the job for a united albania,as miloshevic did for an independent kosovo!miloshevic
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"The time will come when K-Serbs will realize that they have been dupped so badly from Belgrade."
Kosovo-USA
It's not the Serbs who destroy Serbian graveyards in Kosovo, they don't threaten K-Serbs when they go to the market, they don't throw granades at their houses in Kosovo urging them to leave or sell their house for a lower price, they are not the ones who have destroyed their places of worship in Kosovo. Albanians are to blame for all these crimes and you are saying K-Serbs are being duped by their countrymen in the north! The K-Serbs will be duped the day they agree to the hijacking of our province of Kosovo.
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You did not know how to deal with Kosovo when you had it and now you cannot accept that it is gone forever.
(casual_visitor, 28 October 2009 15:54)
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Now how didn't we know how to deal with Kosovo when Doris Pack is now asking Serbia to keep Kosovo sustainable? How can that make sense? It is the Germans and EU who are not able to deal with KiM and BiH. We Serbians are doing just fine on our own and without the incompetence coming from our ethnic-Albanian citizens, Bosnian Muslims, EU and Germany.
The fact is that without Serbia and Serbians, the Western Balkans cannot prosper and we have no interest in supporting failed entities. You guys have always blamed Serbia for all of your problems but the problem is with you my friend.
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I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
(Ian, UK, 28 October 2009 16:23)
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Yes Ian, She is right. I know, you know and she knows that only Serbia can keep Kosovo sustainable. The question being, why should we?
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I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
(Ian, UK, 28 October 2009 16:23)
Ian,
only those with their heads in the sand lacking any sense of reality or a wannabe jumped up British imperialist like you would agree with the rantings of a centre right eurotrash nobody like Ms Pack.
Reality is telling another story Ian. UK and US are bankrupt and the geo-political balance is swinging towards Russia, China and India (Serbia's allies) = multipolar world which will see Serbia's influence in the Balkans strenghtening in the years ahead.
Get used to to it. You cant control the coolies in Belgrade like you do in Tirana or Zagreb. It must be really tough seeing the UK now reduced to a 3rd rate power.
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As my favorite source of laugh "PRN" have said and I would like to repeat: Danke Deutschland! ... and heil Deutschland 2 !
The post Nazi time European political creation called EU, in which Germans who never faced the WWII facts and never paid for their collective madness War Crime, are leading the main role interests me for NIKS!
Visa free travel and free trade zone yep..union with Pack's Germany: NIKS and never!
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"The problem is with the excessive and disproportional weight that is given to the K-Serb micro-minority. When they will be weighted and accounted properly Kosova will be finally functional state- that is when US/EU will finally start respecting Kosova and weight adequately the K-Serbs, Kosova will become a state. (ben)"
-- So what are you getting at ben? That the bargain your leaders signed on to in order to get international aid is too democratic? Would you rather impose more severe quotas on a people that already don't acknowledge your government's legitimacy? Come clean ben, I thought you were a proponent of "democracy" but your comment sounds a little too authoritarian for my tastes. Regardless of what you think, the institutional settings of Kosovo that give a wide berth to K Serbs will be enforced by EULEX whether you like it or not. But thanks for at least being honest.
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Now how didn't we know how to deal with Kosovo when Doris Pack is now asking Serbia to keep Kosovo sustainable?
(Zoran, 28 October 2009 17:01)
If you read between the lines the clear message is:
Stop being a bully or else…….(read between the lines Zoran).
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Oo really? And why? Just because its nice?
I think the whole world already knows that Serbia will NEVER recognise this political monster. You dont go around stealing somebody's property and then appealing on owners humanity to forget about it just because its gentlemenly!
Kosovo was once already given to the Albanians during the second world war but we got it back, so our time will come again to reclaim what is rightfully ours. It is just matter of time and patience which we have plenty.
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Excellent comments Jelena. Indeed, I can never understand why the Albanians have such an unhealthy - bordering on fascistic - fixation on controlling other people, particularly when they have been effectively given what they want: political structure that separate from Belgrade. Yet they still have these insane drives to expand their authority to regions that clearly do not want their rule. Why this unhealthy fixation on the north? Why this constant drive to push Serbs out of central Kosovo? Why this constant grovelling at the feet of Western powers for money, aid, and support in sidelining a Serbia, supposedly another country, that, according to their logic is poor, broken, and irrelevant? You'd think that with all the money, support, and recognition they're getting from Western countries, that efforts by Belgrade to stymie their sovereignty would amount to nothing. Still, we constantly hear belligerent talk from Pristina and various paid EU spokespeople that continue to bemoan the dysfunctional status of the world's supposedly "newest democracy" as being solely the result of Serbia. Even with all this support, it's amazing how "little Serbia" is still the big bad wolf. I guess it's a convenient way to cover one's own political and institutional shortcomings.
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
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In a couple of days or so Doris will make another public announcement. She will say that her comments regarding Serbia were taken out of context and that she did not intend to make it sound as if Serbia will not be entering the EU without recognizing Kosovo.
This woman obviously does not follow interactions from her masters very well.
pre 16 godina
Some harsh words from the Serbian commentators. There you have it we knew long ago that there is no Europe for Serbia until it recognizes Kosovo.
Viva Kosovo.
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casual_visitor,
You're very welcome. You keep doing what you're doing, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. In the meantime, enjoy the beautiful hundreds of years old Serbian monasteries in our province. We will see you when the American empire collapses.
Cheers!!
pre 16 godina
You can speculate on many things but one scenario is absolutely sure: The Nordic countries including Germany, the Netherlands and UK will not allow Serbia to come any closer to the EU as long it doesn't recognize Kosovo. And if tensions increases again due to Serbia's lack to understand its crimes of the past then even the VISA free regime, which is still under discussion, will be denied permanently. I know that a right-wing diaspora Serb in the West gives a damn of this. Well, sitting in the (the very evil) West makes them say that of course, since it enjoy the comforts there (and not in Russia, North Korea, etc.). But the people in Serbia might not be so enthusiastic to be again inprisoned in their own country.
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"How nice, this anti-Serb knows what's best for Serbia. As the situation in Kosovo becomes more desperate these powerless politicians come up with even more ridiculous ideas. So now Serbia is supposed to save fake and failed entities?"
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Kosova is in better shape than Serbia economically. Not a penny has been borrowed for budget support for Kosova, shall we start with Serbia. Average wage in Serbia is 350 EUR, imagine how much the non-Belgrade /non-Vojvodinans make. We read Serbian papers too.
She means "sustainable" so Kosova starts with other things, not argue over KEK vs EPS or I ban your products unless you allow mine. Serbs make 5% of the population, 5% and are as unemployed and as educated /uneducated as Albanians.
Ben, minorities have a veto (almost) only when it comes to changing the Constitution, that's all.
Dragan, Germany is EU and you can bet Pack speaks for Germany and for 22 EU nations. Without EU you are bankrupt.
B92, bad bad bad and misleading headline but what else is new.
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she has got to talk nonsense about serbias southern province, after all her greater-sarajevo plans busted like a soap-bubble ...
i really hope doris with all her wisdom and knowledge is an equaly good prophet&omen about south-serbia ...
but, just imagine how she would behave if she really would have something to say, in a real job, and not an operette-parliament ...
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doris:
Noone is listening to you.
(Ratko, 28 October 2009 15:08)
I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
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Ms. Pack is absolutely right.Serbia will never join EU unless it recognizes the independence of Kosovo.
Serbia should give up its chauvinistic approach towards Kosovo and should establish peace and normal relations with its neighbours so that everybody can enjoy a better future.
Serbia has done enough damage in the past. Its time for a change in Serbia!
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Yes Doris,
Strength through Joy and Macht Arbeit Frei.
Again I'm posting this woman's acheivements in impartiality when it comes to the Ex-SFRY:
Resume here: http://www.eaea.org/index.php?k=15088
- Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995).
- Order of the Republic of Albania (2002).
- Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).
From her webpage: http://www.dorispack.de/persoenliches.html
- 1997 Orden der Republik Kroatiens (HR)
- 2006 Kroatischer Kulturclub, Silberne Taube von Vucedol, Symbol für Frieden und Freiheit des kroatischen Volkes
- 2008 Toleranzpreis des Parlamentes der Vojvodina (Serbien) [WTF is this?]
- 2009 Preis der Stadt Pogradec (Albanien)
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“Serbs in Kosovo should really do that. This will help the small country of Kosovo remain sustainable. That is in the interest of Serbia and the entire region,” Pack said.
--
How nice, this anti-Serb knows what's best for Serbia. As the situation in Kosovo becomes more desperate these powerless politicians come up with even more ridiculous ideas. So now Serbia is supposed to save fake and failed entities?
Well, one thing is certain, that is not going to happen and if that means Serbia never joins the EU, even better!
Doris, you should focus more on your other failed entity - that being BiH.
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?? Germans need to dictate politics of independent country??
pre 16 godina
Danke Deutschland!
We love sincere and realistic statments from civilised world.
Serbs appear that they didn't learn anything from WWI and WWII, and 1999.
Next time, if Serbia brings itself into new war, they will be eradicated from Balkan map for good.
So dear fellow Illyrian land inhabitants, BE CAUTIOUS...
pre 16 godina
well then germany should recognise eastern germany as a Russian state.
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Serbs had no part of the independence declaration and no one asked Serbia what it wanted but Serbia should be part of in making it a sustainable state. That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard?
The West wanted this now deal with it and stop blaming the Serbs.
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(Dragan, 28 October 2009 14:33)
Spoken like a real Serbian Patriot Dragan (or should I say like a real Serbian nationalist)!!!
Dragan, people like you are the reason why nobody wanted to stay with Serbia.
You did not know how to deal with Kosovo when you had it and now you cannot accept that it is gone forever.
All you know is how to try your best to wish somebody something bad.
You don’t realise that the people that Serbia hurts most with this attitude is the Serbs in Kosovo.
Let’s be honest Dragan, it is not like Serbia ever cared about Serbs in Kosovo anyway.
Serb politicians played with them in the same way they played with Serbs in Croatia.
It is all a chess game to Serbian Politicians and Kosovo Serbs are the pawns that can be sacrificed for anything.
Good luck with that.
As far as your tactics in harming Kosovo, all you are achieving is getting Kosovo further from Serbia and closer to Albania.
I guess Serbia will get the biggest praise for contributing to Kosovo Unification with Albania.
Dragan, remember the saying … Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Serbian politicians seem to be doing the opposite, loosing existing friends and not knowing how to deal with their “worst enemy” ….us the Kosovo Albanians.
Thanks in advance.
pre 16 godina
Germans should think twice before speaking about Serbia.As a good citizens we should boycott all of your goods and bank with someone else.Blocking could easy go both ways.
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Doris, Serbia does not recognize an independent Albanian run Kosovo, you do. So why in the world would it play nice with these separatist Albanians? Isn't this sending a message to the rest of the world that any minority can just proclaim independence, and believe they have their own country? Or, do you care?
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doris:
Noone is listening to you.
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Serbia has no problems with it's Southern province, Doris. There is nothing to solve except for getting the occupiers out. The problem is yours, and your fellow leftist Eurocrats. Keep your nose in your own business, and you will have a better life.
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"German MEP: Serbs should make Kosovo 'sustainable state'"
-- They're trying, but everytime they do, opposing forces attempt to erode their sovereignty.
Silly Doris.
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While responding to statements made by Dolores Pack, who is appearing everywhere as a ‘mouthpiece’ for Kosovo ‘independence’ (regardless of whether her position grants her any influence on the matter or not), could be seen as a rather meaningless exercise, I would like to state few facts:
1. Kosovo Serbs have obviously already taken their fate into their hands - it is just not quite what Mrs Pack has in mind.
2. I can see no reason for Kosovo Serbs’ desire to boost renegade province’s sustainability as a ‘country’. They already have one called Serbia and from what I read in the news they are already ‘making themselves active and work in creating policies of their country’. What is the problem here?
3. And the main thing – the issue of ‘sustainability’ should have been the one thoroughly thought of before the whole farce was granted to Kosovo Albanians. If you are not able to ‘sustain’ yourself as a country, maybe you are not meant to be a ‘country’ – it is an equation a fifth grader could make, and I can’t see why is it so difficult a task for EU politicians?
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German MEP said:
"It can be solved only if Serbs in Kosovo take their fate into their own hands,"
Effectively, they want to be and remain under Serbia state...They are alreday taking their fate in their hands.
Supposedly, Kosovo as independent state was created to fulfill the aspirations of part of their inhabitants, but forgetting the aspirations of others...
The only true soluction is the partition. North part (Ibar river) remains under Serbia, and the south as Kosovo independent state. And everybody recognising each one.
Regards
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She went on to say that German companies that benefited from the forced labour of jews, slavs and socialists, during WW2 such as BMW, will be paying a 'good neighbourly relations' tax, which would be distributed amoungst those nations and peoples who had suffered the most in the German concentration and labour camps for the benefit of such German companies like BMW.
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Well I have a message for Ms. Pack we Serbs will make sure that Kosovo will never, EVER, survive as a state. That is our duty, and that you can be 100% sure of. We are not Croats, or Slovenes, or Bosnian Muslims or FYROMians or Albanians, and we don't care what you say Doris Pack, nor are we listening. Keep flapping your gums for someone who cares.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 28 October 2009 14:33)
I am glad that you are showing true colors of Serbia. So , Serbia is going to make sure that Kosova never will survive as a state, ah. Well, stop using K-Serbs as pawns and they are the ones suffering the most , just because of people like you and your govermant in Belgrade. The time will come when K-Serbs will realize that they have been dupped so badly from Belgrade.
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Well, miss Pack, the thing is: Kosovo is NOT a country. It is a Serbian province.
If she would have said this to the Germans in Belgium. Fine. Belgium is a state with a German region. Who are actually further stalling the reform of the Belgium system by the way. So I would say: focus on that!
On Kosovo: again, Kosovo is a province not a state!
Time for the Albanians in the whole of Serbia to make Serbia a successfull state! Partition of Serbia would not change things!
No double standards!
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If Serbia does not hold hands with the Kosovo Albanians, then it cannot join the EU - I say fantastic! What country in their right mind would want to be a part of this dictatorship? They are trying to bully Serbia now, can you imagine what it would be like if Serbia was actually in this union? I say, stand proud Serbia, you do not need the scraps that the EU will throw your way. You are becoming the balkan powerhouse with trading partners like Russia, China, India, Israel, Greece, and on and on. There will be enough jobs in Serbia to have good lives, Serbs. You do not need to go to the EU to clean their filthy toilets and serve their meals. Let the people that have to do this, do it.
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Germany was one of the main actors behind the demise of Yugoslavia and the war that followed. I don't think Germany is in any position to give advice.
If Serbia can't enter the EU unless it recognizes Kosovo then so be it. At least we don't have to take orders from anyone but ourselves.
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""It can be solved only if Serbs in Kosovo take their fate into their own hands," she advised.
“Serbs in Kosovo should really do that. This will help the small country of Kosovo remain sustainable. That is in the interest of Serbia and the entire region,” Pack said."
This is just another FACT that NO ETHNIC cleansing of Serbs in Kosova has been done.
If there were no Serbs- Kosova would have been sustainable state- as Mrs Pack is recognizing.
It is K-Serbs that make Kosova being partially sustainable for the simple reason that although they are a micro minority they are weighted by Kosova's constitution and the international community as a constituent nation and de-facto have VETO power.
The problem is with the excessive and disproportional weight that is given to the K-Serb micro-minority. When they will be weighted and accounted properly Kosova will be finally functional state- that is when US/EU will finally start respecting Kosova and weight adequately the K-Serbs, Kosova will become a state.
In any case Serbia is history.
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Aaawww how sweet. Germans trying to dictate to Serbs what to do, how to live, who to recognize....nothing has changed since the times of WWI or WWII.
Well I have a message for Ms. Pack we Serbs will make sure that Kosovo will never, EVER, survive as a state. That is our duty, and that you can be 100% sure of. We are not Croats, or Slovenes, or Bosnian Muslims or FYROMians or Albanians, and we don't care what you say Doris Pack, nor are we listening. Keep flapping your gums for someone who cares.
Cheers!!
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Aaawww how sweet. Germans trying to dictate to Serbs what to do, how to live, who to recognize....nothing has changed since the times of WWI or WWII.
Well I have a message for Ms. Pack we Serbs will make sure that Kosovo will never, EVER, survive as a state. That is our duty, and that you can be 100% sure of. We are not Croats, or Slovenes, or Bosnian Muslims or FYROMians or Albanians, and we don't care what you say Doris Pack, nor are we listening. Keep flapping your gums for someone who cares.
Cheers!!
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Doris,you can talk until you turn blue.
Kosovo is part of Serbia,1244 guaranteeing it.
Threaten whatever you want, it won`t work!
Remember 1999?
We went alone into war with the whole Western world to preserve Kosovo and we succeded because we wrestled the 1244 resolution and luckily our great Slavic brother Russia recovered since then.
Of course it is defacto occupied but de jure it is Serbian and it will stay forever.
Doris,Doris you should know us Serbs from 1918 and 1945,when we get something in our head we carry it through fanatically,no matter the cost.
Shovel our free visas and EU,we have Russia...
pre 16 godina
doris:
Noone is listening to you.
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“Serbs in Kosovo should really do that. This will help the small country of Kosovo remain sustainable. That is in the interest of Serbia and the entire region,” Pack said.
--
How nice, this anti-Serb knows what's best for Serbia. As the situation in Kosovo becomes more desperate these powerless politicians come up with even more ridiculous ideas. So now Serbia is supposed to save fake and failed entities?
Well, one thing is certain, that is not going to happen and if that means Serbia never joins the EU, even better!
Doris, you should focus more on your other failed entity - that being BiH.
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I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
(Ian, UK, 28 October 2009 16:23)
Ian,
only those with their heads in the sand lacking any sense of reality or a wannabe jumped up British imperialist like you would agree with the rantings of a centre right eurotrash nobody like Ms Pack.
Reality is telling another story Ian. UK and US are bankrupt and the geo-political balance is swinging towards Russia, China and India (Serbia's allies) = multipolar world which will see Serbia's influence in the Balkans strenghtening in the years ahead.
Get used to to it. You cant control the coolies in Belgrade like you do in Tirana or Zagreb. It must be really tough seeing the UK now reduced to a 3rd rate power.
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"The time will come when K-Serbs will realize that they have been dupped so badly from Belgrade."
Kosovo-USA
It's not the Serbs who destroy Serbian graveyards in Kosovo, they don't threaten K-Serbs when they go to the market, they don't throw granades at their houses in Kosovo urging them to leave or sell their house for a lower price, they are not the ones who have destroyed their places of worship in Kosovo. Albanians are to blame for all these crimes and you are saying K-Serbs are being duped by their countrymen in the north! The K-Serbs will be duped the day they agree to the hijacking of our province of Kosovo.
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love sincere and realistic statments from civilised world.
Serbs appear that they didn't learn anything from WWI and WWII, and 1999.
Next time, if Serbia brings itself into new war, they will be eradicated from Balkan map for good.
So dear fellow Illyrian land inhabitants, BE CAUTIOUS...
(PRN, 28 October 2009 15:26)
Remember we Serbs won in WW1 and WW2 and we will win in this war too(which is a continuation of 1999)!
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"German MEP: Serbs should make Kosovo 'sustainable state'"
-- They're trying, but everytime they do, opposing forces attempt to erode their sovereignty.
Silly Doris.
pre 16 godina
While responding to statements made by Dolores Pack, who is appearing everywhere as a ‘mouthpiece’ for Kosovo ‘independence’ (regardless of whether her position grants her any influence on the matter or not), could be seen as a rather meaningless exercise, I would like to state few facts:
1. Kosovo Serbs have obviously already taken their fate into their hands - it is just not quite what Mrs Pack has in mind.
2. I can see no reason for Kosovo Serbs’ desire to boost renegade province’s sustainability as a ‘country’. They already have one called Serbia and from what I read in the news they are already ‘making themselves active and work in creating policies of their country’. What is the problem here?
3. And the main thing – the issue of ‘sustainability’ should have been the one thoroughly thought of before the whole farce was granted to Kosovo Albanians. If you are not able to ‘sustain’ yourself as a country, maybe you are not meant to be a ‘country’ – it is an equation a fifth grader could make, and I can’t see why is it so difficult a task for EU politicians?
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Germany was one of the main actors behind the demise of Yugoslavia and the war that followed. I don't think Germany is in any position to give advice.
If Serbia can't enter the EU unless it recognizes Kosovo then so be it. At least we don't have to take orders from anyone but ourselves.
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Interesting how albanians chose to listen to Doris Pack but not Gerhard Schroeder!
"Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder says that the recognition of Kosovo’s unilateral independence declaration was a grave mistake."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=15&nav_id=62363
What makes the comments of Doris Pack more important then this experienced former german chancellor?
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Some harsh words from the Serbian commentators. There you have it we knew long ago that there is no Europe for Serbia until it recognizes Kosovo.
Viva Kosovo.
(Mendo, 28 October 2009 16:04)
My friend, only states can enter the EU. I am from a state. Kosovo is a province. Provinces cannot join EU.
Hope this clears things up!
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Yes Doris,
Strength through Joy and Macht Arbeit Frei.
Again I'm posting this woman's acheivements in impartiality when it comes to the Ex-SFRY:
Resume here: http://www.eaea.org/index.php?k=15088
- Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995).
- Order of the Republic of Albania (2002).
- Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).
From her webpage: http://www.dorispack.de/persoenliches.html
- 1997 Orden der Republik Kroatiens (HR)
- 2006 Kroatischer Kulturclub, Silberne Taube von Vucedol, Symbol für Frieden und Freiheit des kroatischen Volkes
- 2008 Toleranzpreis des Parlamentes der Vojvodina (Serbien) [WTF is this?]
- 2009 Preis der Stadt Pogradec (Albanien)
pre 16 godina
well then germany should recognise eastern germany as a Russian state.
pre 16 godina
As long as there are germans there will always be problems in the Balkans and central europe.
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doris:
Noone is listening to you.
(Ratko, 28 October 2009 15:08)
I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
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"That's rarely forgiven and almost never forgotten."
Ment
Oh, buh hu! Stop playing the victim. Perhaps you can remember what Albanians did to us Serbs during WW2? If not, here is a reminder!
"From 1941 to 1944, ethnic Albanians serving the Italian and German occupation authorities killed some 10,000 Serbs; the worst of suffer were Serbs in Pec and Vitomirica where ethnic Albanian volunteers formations wrought terror: before executing their victims they gouged out their eyes, sliced off their ears and severed other parts of their bodies".
Acording to your way of thinking Serbs should have expelled all Albanians from Kosovo after these horrific crimes.
You use the victim card to justify stealing Serbian land. You will never get Serbs to change their minds about Kosovo what ever lie you come up with.
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Well, miss Pack, the thing is: Kosovo is NOT a country. It is a Serbian province.
If she would have said this to the Germans in Belgium. Fine. Belgium is a state with a German region. Who are actually further stalling the reform of the Belgium system by the way. So I would say: focus on that!
On Kosovo: again, Kosovo is a province not a state!
Time for the Albanians in the whole of Serbia to make Serbia a successfull state! Partition of Serbia would not change things!
No double standards!
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Well I have a message for Ms. Pack we Serbs will make sure that Kosovo will never, EVER, survive as a state. That is our duty, and that you can be 100% sure of. We are not Croats, or Slovenes, or Bosnian Muslims or FYROMians or Albanians, and we don't care what you say Doris Pack, nor are we listening. Keep flapping your gums for someone who cares.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 28 October 2009 14:33)
I am glad that you are showing true colors of Serbia. So , Serbia is going to make sure that Kosova never will survive as a state, ah. Well, stop using K-Serbs as pawns and they are the ones suffering the most , just because of people like you and your govermant in Belgrade. The time will come when K-Serbs will realize that they have been dupped so badly from Belgrade.
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ARTA
If albanians were in a better position than serbs you would have white schengen. Not even Albania has it! Don't you wonder why? Kosovo doesn't have an economy. You are on wellfare. Why do you think the West is pressuring Serbia to save them from the mess in Kosovo? Read what was said yesterday:
"It is not in the interest of Serbia to turn Kosovo into a black hole in Europe."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=27&nav_id=62616
The black hole of Kosovo is a dissaster and you know it. You make outrages claims but why don't you prove it?
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She went on to say that German companies that benefited from the forced labour of jews, slavs and socialists, during WW2 such as BMW, will be paying a 'good neighbourly relations' tax, which would be distributed amoungst those nations and peoples who had suffered the most in the German concentration and labour camps for the benefit of such German companies like BMW.
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Serbia has no problems with it's Southern province, Doris. There is nothing to solve except for getting the occupiers out. The problem is yours, and your fellow leftist Eurocrats. Keep your nose in your own business, and you will have a better life.
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Wait a minute... the same day the Italian FM said that Serbia should apply before the end of the year for the EU,
the Dutch FM said no way,
the French financial audit for the 6 months Napolarkosi presicency declared that two times more was spent than a usual presidency, including the renovation of some luxury rooms, and a shower made to measure for little Napoleon for a cost of 240k (none of it was then ever used..)
and now an order/medal collector is trying to tell what to do and what not to do...
Is this the functional super duper new EU that was promised or a sort of another alien, my God, good that we are not part of this mess and fortunately will never be!!
Now for little mouse, if your are so convinced that the mess you created both in bih and kosovo is not sustainable without Serbia, then it means you f... it up, then Pack your stuff and get down to planet earth direction kosovo and work on the field, thaci is a very handsome guy you might have a chance!!
But I guess that for nothing in the world you will leave your cosy position but rather bark time to time on the Serbian hoping that someone will hear you!
But one thing strikes me, you said that Serbia should have good relation with the neigboring countries, which it does from every direction, so correct me if am wrong, sofar kosova remains a protectorate with the number 1244, so nothing to worry about, or you do not recon the UN?? or is it the XXXk that were poored in this black hole that start hurting your wallet.... you can't have it all, an alien is very costy to entertain!!
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oh, Doris, ...poor Doris...
there is no problem with Serbia staying outside the EU!
you need us more than we need you, and that´s something at least the ruling circles in the EU know very well.
let´s just see whether Doris will not be just another of these political caricatures with remarks of a quite low importance who will be forgotten sooner than later...
Serbia will prevail!
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Ms. Pack is absolutely right.Serbia will never join EU unless it recognizes the independence of Kosovo.
Serbia should give up its chauvinistic approach towards Kosovo and should establish peace and normal relations with its neighbours so that everybody can enjoy a better future.
Serbia has done enough damage in the past. Its time for a change in Serbia!
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Excellent comments Jelena. Indeed, I can never understand why the Albanians have such an unhealthy - bordering on fascistic - fixation on controlling other people, particularly when they have been effectively given what they want: political structure that separate from Belgrade. Yet they still have these insane drives to expand their authority to regions that clearly do not want their rule. Why this unhealthy fixation on the north? Why this constant drive to push Serbs out of central Kosovo? Why this constant grovelling at the feet of Western powers for money, aid, and support in sidelining a Serbia, supposedly another country, that, according to their logic is poor, broken, and irrelevant? You'd think that with all the money, support, and recognition they're getting from Western countries, that efforts by Belgrade to stymie their sovereignty would amount to nothing. Still, we constantly hear belligerent talk from Pristina and various paid EU spokespeople that continue to bemoan the dysfunctional status of the world's supposedly "newest democracy" as being solely the result of Serbia. Even with all this support, it's amazing how "little Serbia" is still the big bad wolf. I guess it's a convenient way to cover one's own political and institutional shortcomings.
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If Serbia does not hold hands with the Kosovo Albanians, then it cannot join the EU - I say fantastic! What country in their right mind would want to be a part of this dictatorship? They are trying to bully Serbia now, can you imagine what it would be like if Serbia was actually in this union? I say, stand proud Serbia, you do not need the scraps that the EU will throw your way. You are becoming the balkan powerhouse with trading partners like Russia, China, India, Israel, Greece, and on and on. There will be enough jobs in Serbia to have good lives, Serbs. You do not need to go to the EU to clean their filthy toilets and serve their meals. Let the people that have to do this, do it.
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(Dragan, 28 October 2009 14:33)
Spoken like a real Serbian Patriot Dragan (or should I say like a real Serbian nationalist)!!!
Dragan, people like you are the reason why nobody wanted to stay with Serbia.
You did not know how to deal with Kosovo when you had it and now you cannot accept that it is gone forever.
All you know is how to try your best to wish somebody something bad.
You don’t realise that the people that Serbia hurts most with this attitude is the Serbs in Kosovo.
Let’s be honest Dragan, it is not like Serbia ever cared about Serbs in Kosovo anyway.
Serb politicians played with them in the same way they played with Serbs in Croatia.
It is all a chess game to Serbian Politicians and Kosovo Serbs are the pawns that can be sacrificed for anything.
Good luck with that.
As far as your tactics in harming Kosovo, all you are achieving is getting Kosovo further from Serbia and closer to Albania.
I guess Serbia will get the biggest praise for contributing to Kosovo Unification with Albania.
Dragan, remember the saying … Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Serbian politicians seem to be doing the opposite, loosing existing friends and not knowing how to deal with their “worst enemy” ….us the Kosovo Albanians.
Thanks in advance.
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casual_visitor,
You're very welcome. You keep doing what you're doing, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. In the meantime, enjoy the beautiful hundreds of years old Serbian monasteries in our province. We will see you when the American empire collapses.
Cheers!!
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I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
(Ian, UK, 28 October 2009 16:23)
--
Yes Ian, She is right. I know, you know and she knows that only Serbia can keep Kosovo sustainable. The question being, why should we?
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""It can be solved only if Serbs in Kosovo take their fate into their own hands," she advised.
“Serbs in Kosovo should really do that. This will help the small country of Kosovo remain sustainable. That is in the interest of Serbia and the entire region,” Pack said."
This is just another FACT that NO ETHNIC cleansing of Serbs in Kosova has been done.
If there were no Serbs- Kosova would have been sustainable state- as Mrs Pack is recognizing.
It is K-Serbs that make Kosova being partially sustainable for the simple reason that although they are a micro minority they are weighted by Kosova's constitution and the international community as a constituent nation and de-facto have VETO power.
The problem is with the excessive and disproportional weight that is given to the K-Serb micro-minority. When they will be weighted and accounted properly Kosova will be finally functional state- that is when US/EU will finally start respecting Kosova and weight adequately the K-Serbs, Kosova will become a state.
In any case Serbia is history.
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Danke Deutschland!
We love sincere and realistic statments from civilised world.
Serbs appear that they didn't learn anything from WWI and WWII, and 1999.
Next time, if Serbia brings itself into new war, they will be eradicated from Balkan map for good.
So dear fellow Illyrian land inhabitants, BE CAUTIOUS...
pre 16 godina
Germans should think twice before speaking about Serbia.As a good citizens we should boycott all of your goods and bank with someone else.Blocking could easy go both ways.
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Doris, Serbia does not recognize an independent Albanian run Kosovo, you do. So why in the world would it play nice with these separatist Albanians? Isn't this sending a message to the rest of the world that any minority can just proclaim independence, and believe they have their own country? Or, do you care?
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You can speculate on many things but one scenario is absolutely sure: The Nordic countries including Germany, the Netherlands and UK will not allow Serbia to come any closer to the EU as long it doesn't recognize Kosovo. And if tensions increases again due to Serbia's lack to understand its crimes of the past then even the VISA free regime, which is still under discussion, will be denied permanently. I know that a right-wing diaspora Serb in the West gives a damn of this. Well, sitting in the (the very evil) West makes them say that of course, since it enjoy the comforts there (and not in Russia, North Korea, etc.). But the people in Serbia might not be so enthusiastic to be again inprisoned in their own country.
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she has got to talk nonsense about serbias southern province, after all her greater-sarajevo plans busted like a soap-bubble ...
i really hope doris with all her wisdom and knowledge is an equaly good prophet&omen about south-serbia ...
but, just imagine how she would behave if she really would have something to say, in a real job, and not an operette-parliament ...
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In a couple of days or so Doris will make another public announcement. She will say that her comments regarding Serbia were taken out of context and that she did not intend to make it sound as if Serbia will not be entering the EU without recognizing Kosovo.
This woman obviously does not follow interactions from her masters very well.
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Serbs had no part of the independence declaration and no one asked Serbia what it wanted but Serbia should be part of in making it a sustainable state. That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard?
The West wanted this now deal with it and stop blaming the Serbs.
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?? Germans need to dictate politics of independent country??
pre 16 godina
That woman again!!
Doesn't she know when to shut up?
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 17:27)
Why, because this woman said so?
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You did not know how to deal with Kosovo when you had it and now you cannot accept that it is gone forever.
(casual_visitor, 28 October 2009 15:54)
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Now how didn't we know how to deal with Kosovo when Doris Pack is now asking Serbia to keep Kosovo sustainable? How can that make sense? It is the Germans and EU who are not able to deal with KiM and BiH. We Serbians are doing just fine on our own and without the incompetence coming from our ethnic-Albanian citizens, Bosnian Muslims, EU and Germany.
The fact is that without Serbia and Serbians, the Western Balkans cannot prosper and we have no interest in supporting failed entities. You guys have always blamed Serbia for all of your problems but the problem is with you my friend.
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Oo really? And why? Just because its nice?
I think the whole world already knows that Serbia will NEVER recognise this political monster. You dont go around stealing somebody's property and then appealing on owners humanity to forget about it just because its gentlemenly!
Kosovo was once already given to the Albanians during the second world war but we got it back, so our time will come again to reclaim what is rightfully ours. It is just matter of time and patience which we have plenty.
pre 16 godina
I would not take old Doris too seriously. She has a record of making silly statements and then spending months having to extract her foot out of her mouth.
As a CDU member, they see what a mess the Germans have made out of the breakup of Yugoslavia and the economic burden its has placed on the EU.
This is the best news for for Serbs. It just gives them more ammunition against their politicians that want to join.
pre 16 godina
Some harsh words from the Serbian commentators. There you have it we knew long ago that there is no Europe for Serbia until it recognizes Kosovo.
Viva Kosovo.
pre 16 godina
Why, because this woman said so?
(Peggy, 28 October 2009 20:42)
Not only because she said so, which is in itself a primary indicator of how MP's throughout Europe feel about Serbia entering the EU.
You give this woman too much power. She is not the mouthpiece of European MPs.
She is just one unimportant person who thinks she is important. What power does she really have?
pre 16 godina
As my favorite source of laugh "PRN" have said and I would like to repeat: Danke Deutschland! ... and heil Deutschland 2 !
The post Nazi time European political creation called EU, in which Germans who never faced the WWII facts and never paid for their collective madness War Crime, are leading the main role interests me for NIKS!
Visa free travel and free trade zone yep..union with Pack's Germany: NIKS and never!
pre 16 godina
This MEP should stand on one leg and whistle.
There is no sustainable way for Serbia to accept the UDI - that would be storing up trouble forever. It would disrupt internal Serbian politics in an untenable way that would never resolve. A stand-off can last a long time, but a permanent acceptance of Kosovo is an impossibility. Any foreign politician who cannot cope with this concept is not fit to pass comment*.
For a while the Albanians can have a small county as a UN protectorate - but for the long term any integration will have to be because of defacto integration within Europe - not because Serbia is forced to renounce a fundamental possession.
Remember that Albanians have a country and it is called Albania.
Kosovo is not a country in any meaningful sense of the word and will never be able to establish any meaningful concept of nationhood - multilateral or otherwise. It will continue to be an anomaly for however long it manages to continue to exist.
The advent of the UDI is a symptom but not a cure for troubles of a few years ago.
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*... unless their aim is to sabotage Serbia joining the EU.
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"How nice, this anti-Serb knows what's best for Serbia. As the situation in Kosovo becomes more desperate these powerless politicians come up with even more ridiculous ideas. So now Serbia is supposed to save fake and failed entities?"
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Kosova is in better shape than Serbia economically. Not a penny has been borrowed for budget support for Kosova, shall we start with Serbia. Average wage in Serbia is 350 EUR, imagine how much the non-Belgrade /non-Vojvodinans make. We read Serbian papers too.
She means "sustainable" so Kosova starts with other things, not argue over KEK vs EPS or I ban your products unless you allow mine. Serbs make 5% of the population, 5% and are as unemployed and as educated /uneducated as Albanians.
Ben, minorities have a veto (almost) only when it comes to changing the Constitution, that's all.
Dragan, Germany is EU and you can bet Pack speaks for Germany and for 22 EU nations. Without EU you are bankrupt.
B92, bad bad bad and misleading headline but what else is new.
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serb camp here portrays Kosova as a backwards country that ONLY EXISTS because of America; and the fall of America in the near future will bring back this country back to Serbian rule.
Even if the American economy crashed 10x harder than 2008 recession in and "Hoovervills" form, and people have little money to buy bread, the Bondsteel base will be here.
Don't bank on the idea of Russian dominance or American's leaving.
Can we for once be realistic or is B92 discussion a wishing well?
pre 16 godina
"The problem is with the excessive and disproportional weight that is given to the K-Serb micro-minority. When they will be weighted and accounted properly Kosova will be finally functional state- that is when US/EU will finally start respecting Kosova and weight adequately the K-Serbs, Kosova will become a state. (ben)"
-- So what are you getting at ben? That the bargain your leaders signed on to in order to get international aid is too democratic? Would you rather impose more severe quotas on a people that already don't acknowledge your government's legitimacy? Come clean ben, I thought you were a proponent of "democracy" but your comment sounds a little too authoritarian for my tastes. Regardless of what you think, the institutional settings of Kosovo that give a wide berth to K Serbs will be enforced by EULEX whether you like it or not. But thanks for at least being honest.
pre 16 godina
Niall...
The UK was written off in the 70-s too...and then it bounced right back.
I'm willing to bet a lot of countries try to imitate Britain and the U.S. and the West as models to develop their economies. How many can you name that follow the "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Russian" model?
(Ment, 28 October 2009 20:38)
Ment, where have you been for the last 12 months?
Firstly, the UK ceased to be a world power in 1956 during the Suez Crisis when Eisenhower forced Eden to withdraw or he threatened to bring down the UK's economy. Britain has been in terminal decline since.
Its heavy industries and manufacturing (the mainstay of British power) have since been dismantled and sold off (often to Chinese and Indian firms) or shipped overseas, e.g. Vauxhall, MG Rover, British Leyland, shipbuilding, coal mining, iron and steel, depletion of North Sea gas reserves. It is reduced to the mere shell it once was. Its economy is wrecked and is facing not only inflation but also default. Take a look at the money markets to see how the sterling is doing. Its plunging at a catastrophic rate just like the US dollar. Gordon Brown then Chancellor of the Exchequer sold of the UK's entire gold reserve with the result that the UK is left with a worthless fiat currency, shell shocked economy with rising unemployment and a massive hole in public finances not to mention the already massive debt it has accumulated. To compound Gordon Brown's misery, Scotland is making moves on withdrawing from the UK. That to me Ment sounds like a country in terminal decline. The UK never did bounce back. Its been in a deathward spiral since the mid 1950s. Its empire, a projection of British imperial and geopolitical power is long gone.
Secondly, it is the neo-liberal economic model of low tax, high spend, easy credit which fuelled a credit and property bubble and lax regulation of the financial sector - the banks has led to the near collapse of the Western economies thanks to the model espoused by the US/UK. The Fed in the US has resorted to the Zimbabwe model of economics by printing more fiat money in a bid to bail out the banks and free up liquidity. It hasn't and wont work. The US is a trainwreck and its only a matter of time before the whole lot comes tumbling down. Even the FGIC which bails out mortgage/ insurance corporations is broke. What will happen in the US will be hyperinflation, 25%+ unemployment, food queues, civil unrest, mass homelessness and ultimatley economic collapse. Its heading that way.
China on the otherhand has been getting ready. Beijing recently bought up $500 billion of gold bullion reserves, India's economy is holding having diversified its economy and buying gold while Russia has oil and gas not to mention vital national minerals that the rest of the world needs. Gold, Silver and minerals is where its at Ment not worthless US bonds and dollars.
I can see where the world is going and how things will pan out in the decades ahead, its a pity you still cant. Either way you lot are screwed.
the failed Western neo liberal economic model is kaput.
A bit of advice Ment, buy gold. Get your hands on the stuff. Trust me, when your paper money becomes worthless you will be thanking me.
pre 16 godina
Some other genious said that all the Serbs are concerned about is to make sure that the Kosovo state fails. Are you serious? Is that all you care about. Wow!
(Tirana, 29 October 2009 17:56)
kosovo became a failed state on february 17th, 2008...
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 17:27)
Why, because this woman said so?
(Peggy, 28 October 2009 20:42)
Not only because she said so, which is in itself a primary indicator of how MP's throughout Europe feel about Serbia entering the EU. Another of many reasons are the statements coming from your own Serbian Radical party who take a very logically approach to the matter, and have been saying for a while now that Tadic and Co. are increasingly leading Serbia down the path of recogniton. The radicals are correct in their view that increased EU influence in Serbia equals increased pressure to recognize Kosova. Serbia has many, many conditions to fulfill not only recognition of Kosova if it ever wishes to enter the EU and take its place as a leader in the Balkans again. Serbia is on the path towards the Eu but that path far from being paved is a dirt road at the moment.
pre 16 godina
"Is that what you really want Niall, a world dominated by Russia and China, becareful what you wish for, I take your comments with a grain of salt because I know they are obviously meant to spew pro-serb rhetoric. Maybe you do travel back and forth from the future and have a DeLorean parked outside your flat, that would explain your ominous visions of the future. I prefer to take things one day at a time and the reality I see right now is a growing and increasingly confident Kosovar people allied with the mightiest super power there has ever been."
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 21:06)
It would make a welcome change from American Empire we have now. What do we have now? Wars all over the planet without even a hint of stopping. That's thanks to the greedy elites in the US.
We've had decades of wars waged by America in order to exploit people all over the world. I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
Anything would be better than what we have now.
What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
pre 16 godina
it is very clear that serbia cant enter eu without to have good neighborly relations with kosovo this is a condition for eu membership
pre 16 godina
German MEP said:
"It can be solved only if Serbs in Kosovo take their fate into their own hands,"
Effectively, they want to be and remain under Serbia state...They are alreday taking their fate in their hands.
Supposedly, Kosovo as independent state was created to fulfill the aspirations of part of their inhabitants, but forgetting the aspirations of others...
The only true soluction is the partition. North part (Ibar river) remains under Serbia, and the south as Kosovo independent state. And everybody recognising each one.
Regards
pre 16 godina
"I guess Serbia will get the biggest praise for contributing to Kosovo Unification with Albania."
don' tell them! We are just looking them doing the job for a united albania,as miloshevic did for an independent kosovo!miloshevic
pre 16 godina
Putting out someone else's feelers. What a dirty job :)
pre 16 godina
Niall O'Doherty -
Reality is telling another story Ian. UK and US are bankrupt and the geo-political balance is swinging towards Russia, China and India (Serbia's allies) = multipolar world which will see Serbia's influence in the Balkans strenghtening in the years ahead.
Is that what you really want Niall, a world dominated by Russia and China, becareful what you wish for, I take your comments with a grain of salt because I know they are obviously meant to spew pro-serb rhetoric. Maybe you do travel back and forth from the future and have a DeLorean parked outside your flat, that would explain your ominous visions of the future. I prefer to take things one day at a time and the reality I see right now is a growing and increasingly confident Kosovar people allied with the mightiest super power there has ever been.
pre 16 godina
It would make a welcome change from American Empire ... I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
...What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
Peggy,
You have NO idea what are you talking about. Yugoslavia was SO lucky that it managed to slip away from the Russian orbit. And it prospered because it was assited by the West.
By the way, could you imagine what will happen in YOUR Australia, if the US fleet staps patroling the high seas?
(BG, 29 October 2009 11:00)
You didn't answer the question. Who are Russia and China attacking?
Do enlighten me. What would happen to Australia without American fleet? You're not one of those people who are saying that Indonesia will attack Australia, are you?
pre 16 godina
To: Hank the Tank,
Everybody knows that Mr. Gerhard Schroder is nothing else just a contraversial person who says something for what you pay him. He was the one who sent the german airplanes to bomb Serbia during 99. Now he is CEO of North Stream Pipeline with russians and thats why now he says what russians and serbians likes, only because he is paid well.
My dear fellows serbians, albanians and whom ever you are lets accept the reality and build a bright future for our children, in EU or outside of EU. Even if we start oneother war among serbs and albanians nobody is going to win, we all know this from very recent past experience...
Albanians are not respected from other ballkan nations for only one reason and that is: because albanians have a very ancient origin there, they live in ballcan peninsula for millenias, while other nations came there much late, after VII century and simply they wanted to get all the land that albanians had in their possesion.
I wonder if serbs at any time were majority in Kosovo, how it could be that they even during the Millosevic regime they could not become more then 5% of total population!
pre 16 godina
This is really a funny story... First the Us decide to give the independence to Kosovo, violating a resolution of the UN and the International Law. Incredibly (?) many states agree to recognize this illegal action, violating the sovereignity of Serbia and endorsing the violation of the International law, and now there is somebody who has the courage to blame Serbia because it should have good relation with a country which is illegally borned with a mutilation of its territory... Incredible!!!
pre 16 godina
Doris has ZERO clout & credibility because the EU is controlled by their energy supplier RUSSIA & Medvedev said he wants Serbia in the EU. Pack & other ant-Serb eurocrats are a dying remnant of the pro-US elites that RUSSIA is making obsolete & such comments by her are the last yelps of a desperate dying animal, just like Yeltsin's empty threats to NATO in '99, Pack's words are just rhetoric to give the doomed & defeated Serbian-Albanians in K&M a little hope to continue their HOPELESS battle.
pre 16 godina
No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
pre 16 godina
Now how didn't we know how to deal with Kosovo when Doris Pack is now asking Serbia to keep Kosovo sustainable?
(Zoran, 28 October 2009 17:01)
If you read between the lines the clear message is:
Stop being a bully or else…….(read between the lines Zoran).
pre 16 godina
Niall...
The UK was written off in the 70-s too...and then it bounced right back.
I'm willing to bet a lot of countries try to imitate Britain and the U.S. and the West as models to develop their economies. How many can you name that follow the "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Russian" model?
To a lot of posters here that keep babbling about resolution numbers and what not...remember that there was a lot of innocent blood spilled in the 90-s.
That's rarely forgiven and almost never forgotten.
pre 16 godina
It would make a welcome change from American Empire ... I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
...What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
Peggy,
You have NO idea what are you talking about. Yugoslavia was SO lucky that it managed to slip away from the Russian orbit. And it prospered because it was assited by the West.
By the way, could you imagine what will happen in YOUR Australia, if the US fleet staps patroling the high seas?
pre 16 godina
Remember that Albanians have a country and it is called Albania.
Incredable! Just tell the Serbs in RS that Serbs have a country called Serbia!
The concept of "mother countries" is rediculous!
Either the region will be included in the EU with or it will be capsulated. The Vidin-Calafat bridge is soon to be completer, so the transport corridors could easily by-pass Serbia!
pre 16 godina
Wise woman, for sure!
pre 16 godina
I can't help but comment on the Serb camp. If Doris Pack would have made comments in Serbia's favor, you would have all cherished and praised her, whereas today, obviously nobody cares about what she has to say. But oh yeah instead we should all watch out for Russia, the new powerhouse....pff...c'mon guys get to your senses.
Some other genious said that all the Serbs are concerned about is to make sure that the Kosovo state fails. Are you serious? Is that all you care about. Wow!
pre 16 godina
nik
Yes - the Albanians have a country called Albania.
In the case of RS - as I understand the demographics - it was only in the 60s that Bosnia became majority muslim; the basis for the current demarkation is more religious than ethnic.
RS has more historical precedent than does an islamic based state in Bosnia (a new and unnecessary innovation) and like Kosovo RS has strong justification for being at the heart of Serbia. Historically the Turkish/islamic suppression of Serbs is a deep seated bad memory and I cannot blame any Serb who does not want to be under an islamic based government.
(Note I do not support any of the violence that suppressed muslims or any of the violence that suppressed Serbs. However, while the violence is a stain on both sides we must remember that actually the majority of the populations on either side were never part of that nastiness and just wanted a quite life.)
Until recently, the population demographics of Serbia were about one child per family whereas the demographics elsewhere were around 6 per family. That is the main reason why Serbs have been losing control to Albanians in Kosovo and muslims in Bosnia.
Many of the problems that are viewed as good vs bad are better understood in terms of altering demographics.
pre 16 godina
She knows what she is talking about for sure. She is well informed about the Balkans, especially former Yugoslav countries that she has been involved in Hague.
Nationalism takes you nowhere in a unified Europe more than it has been for centuries. There is only one way for all of us, whether you are Albanian, Serb, Croat or Bosnian, to join the EU. Joining EU starts from doing our homework. Doing our homework includes changing our attitudes about our neighbors, especially politically and economically.
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Niall
Don't confuse wishful thinking with facts on the ground.
Just because the West is experiencing a crisis, doesn't mean it will roll over and die.
All those things you mentioned, the West has experienced before... Germany with hyperinflation, the Great Depression and 2 world wars and yet the West came out on top.
This blips you're see are just rude reminders to consumers that money doesn't grow on trees and you can't spend more than you earn.
Btw...the moving of heavy industries and so on to China is a simple case of comparative advantage in economics.
Now, with their cheap labor, the Chinese will get to choke on pollution (like the Brits and the U.S. did 50 years ago) until they're rich enough to ship their heavy, dirty industries to...Africa in the future.
Btw... as far as I know, in the long term, commodities have always underperformed the stock market.
pre 16 godina
You didn't answer the question. Who are Russia and China attacking?
Russia attache the following countries UNPROVOKED!
- Finland 1939.
- Bulgaria (1944) During the WWII although a member of the Triple Alience Bulgaria did not declear war to Russia and there was a SOVIET embassy in SOFIA thoughout the war!!! When a pro-alied government tried to break with Hitler, Stalin decleared war (5 sept.1944) aiming a regime change!
- Hungary (1956)
- Czechoslovakia (1968)
- Afghanistan (1980)
- Georgia (2008)
China invaded Tibet, with whom it had diplomatic relations (1950)
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Bob,
Bosnia has never been a Muslim majority country, let alone an slamic country!
Changes of demography occure everywhere. The white Americans will soon become a majority in the US. They found a better answer to the problem.
When Yugoslavia fell appart, Bosnia with its mixed population had no option but to stay united and neutral as it did for a while during the Croatian war.
In the case of Albania, keep in mind that it is the ONLY Balkan country that is still within its initial borders with which it emerged from the Ottoman Emprie. (Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania have all managed to at least double their territory after their first reapearence on the map. For all of them this was accepted as national unifications. For the Albanians it is decleared irridentism!
pre 16 godina
BG, the list is incomplete:
About Russia you forgot: Poland 1939 (while it was fighting the nazis), Japan (1945) despite of the non-aggression treaty,.
About China - the border attack on Vietnam in 1979.
pre 16 godina
BG, the list is incomplete:
About Russia you forgot: Poland 1939 (while it was fighting the nazis), Japan (1945) despite of the non-aggression treaty,.
About China - the border attack on Vietnam in 1979.
(nik, 30 October 2009 14:25)
USA:
- Grenada 1983 - because grenadian government was friendly to Cuba
- Panama 1989 - because dictator established by USA was ingrate
- Serbia 1999 - support for terrorists
- Afghanistan 2001
- Iraq 2003 - false reasons
Who will be next??
pre 16 godina
The simple truth is, Serbia will at some point have to swallow the pill and recognize Kosovo's independence. Even when Kosovo was under direct Serbian rule, only 10% of Serbs lived there, the majority had no wish to settle there. Many have no doubt never visited the place. As for the EU needeing Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU, seriously? The EU seems to have done well without Serbia's membership for 60 odd years
pre 16 godina
Danke Deutschland!
We love sincere and realistic statments from civilised world.
Serbs appear that they didn't learn anything from WWI and WWII, and 1999.
Next time, if Serbia brings itself into new war, they will be eradicated from Balkan map for good.
So dear fellow Illyrian land inhabitants, BE CAUTIOUS...
pre 16 godina
""It can be solved only if Serbs in Kosovo take their fate into their own hands," she advised.
“Serbs in Kosovo should really do that. This will help the small country of Kosovo remain sustainable. That is in the interest of Serbia and the entire region,” Pack said."
This is just another FACT that NO ETHNIC cleansing of Serbs in Kosova has been done.
If there were no Serbs- Kosova would have been sustainable state- as Mrs Pack is recognizing.
It is K-Serbs that make Kosova being partially sustainable for the simple reason that although they are a micro minority they are weighted by Kosova's constitution and the international community as a constituent nation and de-facto have VETO power.
The problem is with the excessive and disproportional weight that is given to the K-Serb micro-minority. When they will be weighted and accounted properly Kosova will be finally functional state- that is when US/EU will finally start respecting Kosova and weight adequately the K-Serbs, Kosova will become a state.
In any case Serbia is history.
pre 16 godina
doris:
Noone is listening to you.
(Ratko, 28 October 2009 15:08)
I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
pre 16 godina
Aaawww how sweet. Germans trying to dictate to Serbs what to do, how to live, who to recognize....nothing has changed since the times of WWI or WWII.
Well I have a message for Ms. Pack we Serbs will make sure that Kosovo will never, EVER, survive as a state. That is our duty, and that you can be 100% sure of. We are not Croats, or Slovenes, or Bosnian Muslims or FYROMians or Albanians, and we don't care what you say Doris Pack, nor are we listening. Keep flapping your gums for someone who cares.
Cheers!!
pre 16 godina
Ms. Pack is absolutely right.Serbia will never join EU unless it recognizes the independence of Kosovo.
Serbia should give up its chauvinistic approach towards Kosovo and should establish peace and normal relations with its neighbours so that everybody can enjoy a better future.
Serbia has done enough damage in the past. Its time for a change in Serbia!
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Well I have a message for Ms. Pack we Serbs will make sure that Kosovo will never, EVER, survive as a state. That is our duty, and that you can be 100% sure of. We are not Croats, or Slovenes, or Bosnian Muslims or FYROMians or Albanians, and we don't care what you say Doris Pack, nor are we listening. Keep flapping your gums for someone who cares.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 28 October 2009 14:33)
I am glad that you are showing true colors of Serbia. So , Serbia is going to make sure that Kosova never will survive as a state, ah. Well, stop using K-Serbs as pawns and they are the ones suffering the most , just because of people like you and your govermant in Belgrade. The time will come when K-Serbs will realize that they have been dupped so badly from Belgrade.
pre 16 godina
Some harsh words from the Serbian commentators. There you have it we knew long ago that there is no Europe for Serbia until it recognizes Kosovo.
Viva Kosovo.
pre 16 godina
serb camp here portrays Kosova as a backwards country that ONLY EXISTS because of America; and the fall of America in the near future will bring back this country back to Serbian rule.
Even if the American economy crashed 10x harder than 2008 recession in and "Hoovervills" form, and people have little money to buy bread, the Bondsteel base will be here.
Don't bank on the idea of Russian dominance or American's leaving.
Can we for once be realistic or is B92 discussion a wishing well?
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(Dragan, 28 October 2009 14:33)
Spoken like a real Serbian Patriot Dragan (or should I say like a real Serbian nationalist)!!!
Dragan, people like you are the reason why nobody wanted to stay with Serbia.
You did not know how to deal with Kosovo when you had it and now you cannot accept that it is gone forever.
All you know is how to try your best to wish somebody something bad.
You don’t realise that the people that Serbia hurts most with this attitude is the Serbs in Kosovo.
Let’s be honest Dragan, it is not like Serbia ever cared about Serbs in Kosovo anyway.
Serb politicians played with them in the same way they played with Serbs in Croatia.
It is all a chess game to Serbian Politicians and Kosovo Serbs are the pawns that can be sacrificed for anything.
Good luck with that.
As far as your tactics in harming Kosovo, all you are achieving is getting Kosovo further from Serbia and closer to Albania.
I guess Serbia will get the biggest praise for contributing to Kosovo Unification with Albania.
Dragan, remember the saying … Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Serbian politicians seem to be doing the opposite, loosing existing friends and not knowing how to deal with their “worst enemy” ….us the Kosovo Albanians.
Thanks in advance.
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Niall O'Doherty -
Reality is telling another story Ian. UK and US are bankrupt and the geo-political balance is swinging towards Russia, China and India (Serbia's allies) = multipolar world which will see Serbia's influence in the Balkans strenghtening in the years ahead.
Is that what you really want Niall, a world dominated by Russia and China, becareful what you wish for, I take your comments with a grain of salt because I know they are obviously meant to spew pro-serb rhetoric. Maybe you do travel back and forth from the future and have a DeLorean parked outside your flat, that would explain your ominous visions of the future. I prefer to take things one day at a time and the reality I see right now is a growing and increasingly confident Kosovar people allied with the mightiest super power there has ever been.
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Now how didn't we know how to deal with Kosovo when Doris Pack is now asking Serbia to keep Kosovo sustainable?
(Zoran, 28 October 2009 17:01)
If you read between the lines the clear message is:
Stop being a bully or else…….(read between the lines Zoran).
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German MEP said:
"It can be solved only if Serbs in Kosovo take their fate into their own hands,"
Effectively, they want to be and remain under Serbia state...They are alreday taking their fate in their hands.
Supposedly, Kosovo as independent state was created to fulfill the aspirations of part of their inhabitants, but forgetting the aspirations of others...
The only true soluction is the partition. North part (Ibar river) remains under Serbia, and the south as Kosovo independent state. And everybody recognising each one.
Regards
pre 16 godina
Well, miss Pack, the thing is: Kosovo is NOT a country. It is a Serbian province.
If she would have said this to the Germans in Belgium. Fine. Belgium is a state with a German region. Who are actually further stalling the reform of the Belgium system by the way. So I would say: focus on that!
On Kosovo: again, Kosovo is a province not a state!
Time for the Albanians in the whole of Serbia to make Serbia a successfull state! Partition of Serbia would not change things!
No double standards!
pre 16 godina
"How nice, this anti-Serb knows what's best for Serbia. As the situation in Kosovo becomes more desperate these powerless politicians come up with even more ridiculous ideas. So now Serbia is supposed to save fake and failed entities?"
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Kosova is in better shape than Serbia economically. Not a penny has been borrowed for budget support for Kosova, shall we start with Serbia. Average wage in Serbia is 350 EUR, imagine how much the non-Belgrade /non-Vojvodinans make. We read Serbian papers too.
She means "sustainable" so Kosova starts with other things, not argue over KEK vs EPS or I ban your products unless you allow mine. Serbs make 5% of the population, 5% and are as unemployed and as educated /uneducated as Albanians.
Ben, minorities have a veto (almost) only when it comes to changing the Constitution, that's all.
Dragan, Germany is EU and you can bet Pack speaks for Germany and for 22 EU nations. Without EU you are bankrupt.
B92, bad bad bad and misleading headline but what else is new.
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
pre 16 godina
"German MEP: Serbs should make Kosovo 'sustainable state'"
-- They're trying, but everytime they do, opposing forces attempt to erode their sovereignty.
Silly Doris.
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No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 17:27)
Why, because this woman said so?
(Peggy, 28 October 2009 20:42)
Not only because she said so, which is in itself a primary indicator of how MP's throughout Europe feel about Serbia entering the EU. Another of many reasons are the statements coming from your own Serbian Radical party who take a very logically approach to the matter, and have been saying for a while now that Tadic and Co. are increasingly leading Serbia down the path of recogniton. The radicals are correct in their view that increased EU influence in Serbia equals increased pressure to recognize Kosova. Serbia has many, many conditions to fulfill not only recognition of Kosova if it ever wishes to enter the EU and take its place as a leader in the Balkans again. Serbia is on the path towards the Eu but that path far from being paved is a dirt road at the moment.
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“Serbs in Kosovo should really do that. This will help the small country of Kosovo remain sustainable. That is in the interest of Serbia and the entire region,” Pack said.
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How nice, this anti-Serb knows what's best for Serbia. As the situation in Kosovo becomes more desperate these powerless politicians come up with even more ridiculous ideas. So now Serbia is supposed to save fake and failed entities?
Well, one thing is certain, that is not going to happen and if that means Serbia never joins the EU, even better!
Doris, you should focus more on your other failed entity - that being BiH.
pre 16 godina
well then germany should recognise eastern germany as a Russian state.
pre 16 godina
Germans should think twice before speaking about Serbia.As a good citizens we should boycott all of your goods and bank with someone else.Blocking could easy go both ways.
pre 16 godina
Serbia has no problems with it's Southern province, Doris. There is nothing to solve except for getting the occupiers out. The problem is yours, and your fellow leftist Eurocrats. Keep your nose in your own business, and you will have a better life.
pre 16 godina
Doris, Serbia does not recognize an independent Albanian run Kosovo, you do. So why in the world would it play nice with these separatist Albanians? Isn't this sending a message to the rest of the world that any minority can just proclaim independence, and believe they have their own country? Or, do you care?
pre 16 godina
Niall...
The UK was written off in the 70-s too...and then it bounced right back.
I'm willing to bet a lot of countries try to imitate Britain and the U.S. and the West as models to develop their economies. How many can you name that follow the "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Russian" model?
To a lot of posters here that keep babbling about resolution numbers and what not...remember that there was a lot of innocent blood spilled in the 90-s.
That's rarely forgiven and almost never forgotten.
pre 16 godina
If Serbia does not hold hands with the Kosovo Albanians, then it cannot join the EU - I say fantastic! What country in their right mind would want to be a part of this dictatorship? They are trying to bully Serbia now, can you imagine what it would be like if Serbia was actually in this union? I say, stand proud Serbia, you do not need the scraps that the EU will throw your way. You are becoming the balkan powerhouse with trading partners like Russia, China, India, Israel, Greece, and on and on. There will be enough jobs in Serbia to have good lives, Serbs. You do not need to go to the EU to clean their filthy toilets and serve their meals. Let the people that have to do this, do it.
pre 16 godina
"I guess Serbia will get the biggest praise for contributing to Kosovo Unification with Albania."
don' tell them! We are just looking them doing the job for a united albania,as miloshevic did for an independent kosovo!miloshevic
pre 16 godina
doris:
Noone is listening to you.
pre 16 godina
While responding to statements made by Dolores Pack, who is appearing everywhere as a ‘mouthpiece’ for Kosovo ‘independence’ (regardless of whether her position grants her any influence on the matter or not), could be seen as a rather meaningless exercise, I would like to state few facts:
1. Kosovo Serbs have obviously already taken their fate into their hands - it is just not quite what Mrs Pack has in mind.
2. I can see no reason for Kosovo Serbs’ desire to boost renegade province’s sustainability as a ‘country’. They already have one called Serbia and from what I read in the news they are already ‘making themselves active and work in creating policies of their country’. What is the problem here?
3. And the main thing – the issue of ‘sustainability’ should have been the one thoroughly thought of before the whole farce was granted to Kosovo Albanians. If you are not able to ‘sustain’ yourself as a country, maybe you are not meant to be a ‘country’ – it is an equation a fifth grader could make, and I can’t see why is it so difficult a task for EU politicians?
pre 16 godina
casual_visitor,
You're very welcome. You keep doing what you're doing, and I'll keep doing what I'm doing. In the meantime, enjoy the beautiful hundreds of years old Serbian monasteries in our province. We will see you when the American empire collapses.
Cheers!!
pre 16 godina
Serbs had no part of the independence declaration and no one asked Serbia what it wanted but Serbia should be part of in making it a sustainable state. That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard?
The West wanted this now deal with it and stop blaming the Serbs.
pre 16 godina
To: Hank the Tank,
Everybody knows that Mr. Gerhard Schroder is nothing else just a contraversial person who says something for what you pay him. He was the one who sent the german airplanes to bomb Serbia during 99. Now he is CEO of North Stream Pipeline with russians and thats why now he says what russians and serbians likes, only because he is paid well.
My dear fellows serbians, albanians and whom ever you are lets accept the reality and build a bright future for our children, in EU or outside of EU. Even if we start oneother war among serbs and albanians nobody is going to win, we all know this from very recent past experience...
Albanians are not respected from other ballkan nations for only one reason and that is: because albanians have a very ancient origin there, they live in ballcan peninsula for millenias, while other nations came there much late, after VII century and simply they wanted to get all the land that albanians had in their possesion.
I wonder if serbs at any time were majority in Kosovo, how it could be that they even during the Millosevic regime they could not become more then 5% of total population!
pre 16 godina
You can speculate on many things but one scenario is absolutely sure: The Nordic countries including Germany, the Netherlands and UK will not allow Serbia to come any closer to the EU as long it doesn't recognize Kosovo. And if tensions increases again due to Serbia's lack to understand its crimes of the past then even the VISA free regime, which is still under discussion, will be denied permanently. I know that a right-wing diaspora Serb in the West gives a damn of this. Well, sitting in the (the very evil) West makes them say that of course, since it enjoy the comforts there (and not in Russia, North Korea, etc.). But the people in Serbia might not be so enthusiastic to be again inprisoned in their own country.
pre 16 godina
Germany was one of the main actors behind the demise of Yugoslavia and the war that followed. I don't think Germany is in any position to give advice.
If Serbia can't enter the EU unless it recognizes Kosovo then so be it. At least we don't have to take orders from anyone but ourselves.
pre 16 godina
she has got to talk nonsense about serbias southern province, after all her greater-sarajevo plans busted like a soap-bubble ...
i really hope doris with all her wisdom and knowledge is an equaly good prophet&omen about south-serbia ...
but, just imagine how she would behave if she really would have something to say, in a real job, and not an operette-parliament ...
pre 16 godina
?? Germans need to dictate politics of independent country??
pre 16 godina
Yes Doris,
Strength through Joy and Macht Arbeit Frei.
Again I'm posting this woman's acheivements in impartiality when it comes to the Ex-SFRY:
Resume here: http://www.eaea.org/index.php?k=15088
- Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995).
- Order of the Republic of Albania (2002).
- Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).
From her webpage: http://www.dorispack.de/persoenliches.html
- 1997 Orden der Republik Kroatiens (HR)
- 2006 Kroatischer Kulturclub, Silberne Taube von Vucedol, Symbol für Frieden und Freiheit des kroatischen Volkes
- 2008 Toleranzpreis des Parlamentes der Vojvodina (Serbien) [WTF is this?]
- 2009 Preis der Stadt Pogradec (Albanien)
pre 16 godina
"The time will come when K-Serbs will realize that they have been dupped so badly from Belgrade."
Kosovo-USA
It's not the Serbs who destroy Serbian graveyards in Kosovo, they don't threaten K-Serbs when they go to the market, they don't throw granades at their houses in Kosovo urging them to leave or sell their house for a lower price, they are not the ones who have destroyed their places of worship in Kosovo. Albanians are to blame for all these crimes and you are saying K-Serbs are being duped by their countrymen in the north! The K-Serbs will be duped the day they agree to the hijacking of our province of Kosovo.
pre 16 godina
Doris,you can talk until you turn blue.
Kosovo is part of Serbia,1244 guaranteeing it.
Threaten whatever you want, it won`t work!
Remember 1999?
We went alone into war with the whole Western world to preserve Kosovo and we succeded because we wrestled the 1244 resolution and luckily our great Slavic brother Russia recovered since then.
Of course it is defacto occupied but de jure it is Serbian and it will stay forever.
Doris,Doris you should know us Serbs from 1918 and 1945,when we get something in our head we carry it through fanatically,no matter the cost.
Shovel our free visas and EU,we have Russia...
pre 16 godina
No Kosova recognition no EU, you can bank on it Serbia!
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 17:27)
Why, because this woman said so?
pre 16 godina
You did not know how to deal with Kosovo when you had it and now you cannot accept that it is gone forever.
(casual_visitor, 28 October 2009 15:54)
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Now how didn't we know how to deal with Kosovo when Doris Pack is now asking Serbia to keep Kosovo sustainable? How can that make sense? It is the Germans and EU who are not able to deal with KiM and BiH. We Serbians are doing just fine on our own and without the incompetence coming from our ethnic-Albanian citizens, Bosnian Muslims, EU and Germany.
The fact is that without Serbia and Serbians, the Western Balkans cannot prosper and we have no interest in supporting failed entities. You guys have always blamed Serbia for all of your problems but the problem is with you my friend.
pre 16 godina
Oo really? And why? Just because its nice?
I think the whole world already knows that Serbia will NEVER recognise this political monster. You dont go around stealing somebody's property and then appealing on owners humanity to forget about it just because its gentlemenly!
Kosovo was once already given to the Albanians during the second world war but we got it back, so our time will come again to reclaim what is rightfully ours. It is just matter of time and patience which we have plenty.
pre 16 godina
She went on to say that German companies that benefited from the forced labour of jews, slavs and socialists, during WW2 such as BMW, will be paying a 'good neighbourly relations' tax, which would be distributed amoungst those nations and peoples who had suffered the most in the German concentration and labour camps for the benefit of such German companies like BMW.
pre 16 godina
As long as there are germans there will always be problems in the Balkans and central europe.
pre 16 godina
ARTA
If albanians were in a better position than serbs you would have white schengen. Not even Albania has it! Don't you wonder why? Kosovo doesn't have an economy. You are on wellfare. Why do you think the West is pressuring Serbia to save them from the mess in Kosovo? Read what was said yesterday:
"It is not in the interest of Serbia to turn Kosovo into a black hole in Europe."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=27&nav_id=62616
The black hole of Kosovo is a dissaster and you know it. You make outrages claims but why don't you prove it?
pre 16 godina
Some harsh words from the Serbian commentators. There you have it we knew long ago that there is no Europe for Serbia until it recognizes Kosovo.
Viva Kosovo.
(Mendo, 28 October 2009 16:04)
My friend, only states can enter the EU. I am from a state. Kosovo is a province. Provinces cannot join EU.
Hope this clears things up!
pre 16 godina
oh, Doris, ...poor Doris...
there is no problem with Serbia staying outside the EU!
you need us more than we need you, and that´s something at least the ruling circles in the EU know very well.
let´s just see whether Doris will not be just another of these political caricatures with remarks of a quite low importance who will be forgotten sooner than later...
Serbia will prevail!
pre 16 godina
That woman again!!
Doesn't she know when to shut up?
pre 16 godina
"That's rarely forgiven and almost never forgotten."
Ment
Oh, buh hu! Stop playing the victim. Perhaps you can remember what Albanians did to us Serbs during WW2? If not, here is a reminder!
"From 1941 to 1944, ethnic Albanians serving the Italian and German occupation authorities killed some 10,000 Serbs; the worst of suffer were Serbs in Pec and Vitomirica where ethnic Albanian volunteers formations wrought terror: before executing their victims they gouged out their eyes, sliced off their ears and severed other parts of their bodies".
Acording to your way of thinking Serbs should have expelled all Albanians from Kosovo after these horrific crimes.
You use the victim card to justify stealing Serbian land. You will never get Serbs to change their minds about Kosovo what ever lie you come up with.
pre 16 godina
it is very clear that serbia cant enter eu without to have good neighborly relations with kosovo this is a condition for eu membership
pre 16 godina
"The problem is with the excessive and disproportional weight that is given to the K-Serb micro-minority. When they will be weighted and accounted properly Kosova will be finally functional state- that is when US/EU will finally start respecting Kosova and weight adequately the K-Serbs, Kosova will become a state. (ben)"
-- So what are you getting at ben? That the bargain your leaders signed on to in order to get international aid is too democratic? Would you rather impose more severe quotas on a people that already don't acknowledge your government's legitimacy? Come clean ben, I thought you were a proponent of "democracy" but your comment sounds a little too authoritarian for my tastes. Regardless of what you think, the institutional settings of Kosovo that give a wide berth to K Serbs will be enforced by EULEX whether you like it or not. But thanks for at least being honest.
pre 16 godina
love sincere and realistic statments from civilised world.
Serbs appear that they didn't learn anything from WWI and WWII, and 1999.
Next time, if Serbia brings itself into new war, they will be eradicated from Balkan map for good.
So dear fellow Illyrian land inhabitants, BE CAUTIOUS...
(PRN, 28 October 2009 15:26)
Remember we Serbs won in WW1 and WW2 and we will win in this war too(which is a continuation of 1999)!
pre 16 godina
Why, because this woman said so?
(Peggy, 28 October 2009 20:42)
Not only because she said so, which is in itself a primary indicator of how MP's throughout Europe feel about Serbia entering the EU.
You give this woman too much power. She is not the mouthpiece of European MPs.
She is just one unimportant person who thinks she is important. What power does she really have?
pre 16 godina
Doris has ZERO clout & credibility because the EU is controlled by their energy supplier RUSSIA & Medvedev said he wants Serbia in the EU. Pack & other ant-Serb eurocrats are a dying remnant of the pro-US elites that RUSSIA is making obsolete & such comments by her are the last yelps of a desperate dying animal, just like Yeltsin's empty threats to NATO in '99, Pack's words are just rhetoric to give the doomed & defeated Serbian-Albanians in K&M a little hope to continue their HOPELESS battle.
pre 16 godina
I can't help but comment on the Serb camp. If Doris Pack would have made comments in Serbia's favor, you would have all cherished and praised her, whereas today, obviously nobody cares about what she has to say. But oh yeah instead we should all watch out for Russia, the new powerhouse....pff...c'mon guys get to your senses.
Some other genious said that all the Serbs are concerned about is to make sure that the Kosovo state fails. Are you serious? Is that all you care about. Wow!
pre 16 godina
I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
(Ian, UK, 28 October 2009 16:23)
Ian,
only those with their heads in the sand lacking any sense of reality or a wannabe jumped up British imperialist like you would agree with the rantings of a centre right eurotrash nobody like Ms Pack.
Reality is telling another story Ian. UK and US are bankrupt and the geo-political balance is swinging towards Russia, China and India (Serbia's allies) = multipolar world which will see Serbia's influence in the Balkans strenghtening in the years ahead.
Get used to to it. You cant control the coolies in Belgrade like you do in Tirana or Zagreb. It must be really tough seeing the UK now reduced to a 3rd rate power.
pre 16 godina
"Is that what you really want Niall, a world dominated by Russia and China, becareful what you wish for, I take your comments with a grain of salt because I know they are obviously meant to spew pro-serb rhetoric. Maybe you do travel back and forth from the future and have a DeLorean parked outside your flat, that would explain your ominous visions of the future. I prefer to take things one day at a time and the reality I see right now is a growing and increasingly confident Kosovar people allied with the mightiest super power there has ever been."
(Dibrani, 28 October 2009 21:06)
It would make a welcome change from American Empire we have now. What do we have now? Wars all over the planet without even a hint of stopping. That's thanks to the greedy elites in the US.
We've had decades of wars waged by America in order to exploit people all over the world. I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
Anything would be better than what we have now.
What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
pre 16 godina
Remember that Albanians have a country and it is called Albania.
Incredable! Just tell the Serbs in RS that Serbs have a country called Serbia!
The concept of "mother countries" is rediculous!
Either the region will be included in the EU with or it will be capsulated. The Vidin-Calafat bridge is soon to be completer, so the transport corridors could easily by-pass Serbia!
pre 16 godina
It would make a welcome change from American Empire ... I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
...What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
Peggy,
You have NO idea what are you talking about. Yugoslavia was SO lucky that it managed to slip away from the Russian orbit. And it prospered because it was assited by the West.
By the way, could you imagine what will happen in YOUR Australia, if the US fleet staps patroling the high seas?
pre 16 godina
As my favorite source of laugh "PRN" have said and I would like to repeat: Danke Deutschland! ... and heil Deutschland 2 !
The post Nazi time European political creation called EU, in which Germans who never faced the WWII facts and never paid for their collective madness War Crime, are leading the main role interests me for NIKS!
Visa free travel and free trade zone yep..union with Pack's Germany: NIKS and never!
pre 16 godina
Wait a minute... the same day the Italian FM said that Serbia should apply before the end of the year for the EU,
the Dutch FM said no way,
the French financial audit for the 6 months Napolarkosi presicency declared that two times more was spent than a usual presidency, including the renovation of some luxury rooms, and a shower made to measure for little Napoleon for a cost of 240k (none of it was then ever used..)
and now an order/medal collector is trying to tell what to do and what not to do...
Is this the functional super duper new EU that was promised or a sort of another alien, my God, good that we are not part of this mess and fortunately will never be!!
Now for little mouse, if your are so convinced that the mess you created both in bih and kosovo is not sustainable without Serbia, then it means you f... it up, then Pack your stuff and get down to planet earth direction kosovo and work on the field, thaci is a very handsome guy you might have a chance!!
But I guess that for nothing in the world you will leave your cosy position but rather bark time to time on the Serbian hoping that someone will hear you!
But one thing strikes me, you said that Serbia should have good relation with the neigboring countries, which it does from every direction, so correct me if am wrong, sofar kosova remains a protectorate with the number 1244, so nothing to worry about, or you do not recon the UN?? or is it the XXXk that were poored in this black hole that start hurting your wallet.... you can't have it all, an alien is very costy to entertain!!
pre 16 godina
Some other genious said that all the Serbs are concerned about is to make sure that the Kosovo state fails. Are you serious? Is that all you care about. Wow!
(Tirana, 29 October 2009 17:56)
kosovo became a failed state on february 17th, 2008...
pre 16 godina
Excellent comments Jelena. Indeed, I can never understand why the Albanians have such an unhealthy - bordering on fascistic - fixation on controlling other people, particularly when they have been effectively given what they want: political structure that separate from Belgrade. Yet they still have these insane drives to expand their authority to regions that clearly do not want their rule. Why this unhealthy fixation on the north? Why this constant drive to push Serbs out of central Kosovo? Why this constant grovelling at the feet of Western powers for money, aid, and support in sidelining a Serbia, supposedly another country, that, according to their logic is poor, broken, and irrelevant? You'd think that with all the money, support, and recognition they're getting from Western countries, that efforts by Belgrade to stymie their sovereignty would amount to nothing. Still, we constantly hear belligerent talk from Pristina and various paid EU spokespeople that continue to bemoan the dysfunctional status of the world's supposedly "newest democracy" as being solely the result of Serbia. Even with all this support, it's amazing how "little Serbia" is still the big bad wolf. I guess it's a convenient way to cover one's own political and institutional shortcomings.
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I'm listening to her and I agree with her; I bet there are many people out there who also agree with her.
(Ian, UK, 28 October 2009 16:23)
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Yes Ian, She is right. I know, you know and she knows that only Serbia can keep Kosovo sustainable. The question being, why should we?
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Niall
Don't confuse wishful thinking with facts on the ground.
Just because the West is experiencing a crisis, doesn't mean it will roll over and die.
All those things you mentioned, the West has experienced before... Germany with hyperinflation, the Great Depression and 2 world wars and yet the West came out on top.
This blips you're see are just rude reminders to consumers that money doesn't grow on trees and you can't spend more than you earn.
Btw...the moving of heavy industries and so on to China is a simple case of comparative advantage in economics.
Now, with their cheap labor, the Chinese will get to choke on pollution (like the Brits and the U.S. did 50 years ago) until they're rich enough to ship their heavy, dirty industries to...Africa in the future.
Btw... as far as I know, in the long term, commodities have always underperformed the stock market.
pre 16 godina
She knows what she is talking about for sure. She is well informed about the Balkans, especially former Yugoslav countries that she has been involved in Hague.
Nationalism takes you nowhere in a unified Europe more than it has been for centuries. There is only one way for all of us, whether you are Albanian, Serb, Croat or Bosnian, to join the EU. Joining EU starts from doing our homework. Doing our homework includes changing our attitudes about our neighbors, especially politically and economically.
pre 16 godina
In a couple of days or so Doris will make another public announcement. She will say that her comments regarding Serbia were taken out of context and that she did not intend to make it sound as if Serbia will not be entering the EU without recognizing Kosovo.
This woman obviously does not follow interactions from her masters very well.
pre 16 godina
This MEP should stand on one leg and whistle.
There is no sustainable way for Serbia to accept the UDI - that would be storing up trouble forever. It would disrupt internal Serbian politics in an untenable way that would never resolve. A stand-off can last a long time, but a permanent acceptance of Kosovo is an impossibility. Any foreign politician who cannot cope with this concept is not fit to pass comment*.
For a while the Albanians can have a small county as a UN protectorate - but for the long term any integration will have to be because of defacto integration within Europe - not because Serbia is forced to renounce a fundamental possession.
Remember that Albanians have a country and it is called Albania.
Kosovo is not a country in any meaningful sense of the word and will never be able to establish any meaningful concept of nationhood - multilateral or otherwise. It will continue to be an anomaly for however long it manages to continue to exist.
The advent of the UDI is a symptom but not a cure for troubles of a few years ago.
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*... unless their aim is to sabotage Serbia joining the EU.
pre 16 godina
Niall...
The UK was written off in the 70-s too...and then it bounced right back.
I'm willing to bet a lot of countries try to imitate Britain and the U.S. and the West as models to develop their economies. How many can you name that follow the "Chinese" or "Indian" or "Russian" model?
(Ment, 28 October 2009 20:38)
Ment, where have you been for the last 12 months?
Firstly, the UK ceased to be a world power in 1956 during the Suez Crisis when Eisenhower forced Eden to withdraw or he threatened to bring down the UK's economy. Britain has been in terminal decline since.
Its heavy industries and manufacturing (the mainstay of British power) have since been dismantled and sold off (often to Chinese and Indian firms) or shipped overseas, e.g. Vauxhall, MG Rover, British Leyland, shipbuilding, coal mining, iron and steel, depletion of North Sea gas reserves. It is reduced to the mere shell it once was. Its economy is wrecked and is facing not only inflation but also default. Take a look at the money markets to see how the sterling is doing. Its plunging at a catastrophic rate just like the US dollar. Gordon Brown then Chancellor of the Exchequer sold of the UK's entire gold reserve with the result that the UK is left with a worthless fiat currency, shell shocked economy with rising unemployment and a massive hole in public finances not to mention the already massive debt it has accumulated. To compound Gordon Brown's misery, Scotland is making moves on withdrawing from the UK. That to me Ment sounds like a country in terminal decline. The UK never did bounce back. Its been in a deathward spiral since the mid 1950s. Its empire, a projection of British imperial and geopolitical power is long gone.
Secondly, it is the neo-liberal economic model of low tax, high spend, easy credit which fuelled a credit and property bubble and lax regulation of the financial sector - the banks has led to the near collapse of the Western economies thanks to the model espoused by the US/UK. The Fed in the US has resorted to the Zimbabwe model of economics by printing more fiat money in a bid to bail out the banks and free up liquidity. It hasn't and wont work. The US is a trainwreck and its only a matter of time before the whole lot comes tumbling down. Even the FGIC which bails out mortgage/ insurance corporations is broke. What will happen in the US will be hyperinflation, 25%+ unemployment, food queues, civil unrest, mass homelessness and ultimatley economic collapse. Its heading that way.
China on the otherhand has been getting ready. Beijing recently bought up $500 billion of gold bullion reserves, India's economy is holding having diversified its economy and buying gold while Russia has oil and gas not to mention vital national minerals that the rest of the world needs. Gold, Silver and minerals is where its at Ment not worthless US bonds and dollars.
I can see where the world is going and how things will pan out in the decades ahead, its a pity you still cant. Either way you lot are screwed.
the failed Western neo liberal economic model is kaput.
A bit of advice Ment, buy gold. Get your hands on the stuff. Trust me, when your paper money becomes worthless you will be thanking me.
pre 16 godina
Wise woman, for sure!
pre 16 godina
I would not take old Doris too seriously. She has a record of making silly statements and then spending months having to extract her foot out of her mouth.
As a CDU member, they see what a mess the Germans have made out of the breakup of Yugoslavia and the economic burden its has placed on the EU.
This is the best news for for Serbs. It just gives them more ammunition against their politicians that want to join.
pre 16 godina
Interesting how albanians chose to listen to Doris Pack but not Gerhard Schroeder!
"Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder says that the recognition of Kosovo’s unilateral independence declaration was a grave mistake."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=15&nav_id=62363
What makes the comments of Doris Pack more important then this experienced former german chancellor?
pre 16 godina
You didn't answer the question. Who are Russia and China attacking?
Russia attache the following countries UNPROVOKED!
- Finland 1939.
- Bulgaria (1944) During the WWII although a member of the Triple Alience Bulgaria did not declear war to Russia and there was a SOVIET embassy in SOFIA thoughout the war!!! When a pro-alied government tried to break with Hitler, Stalin decleared war (5 sept.1944) aiming a regime change!
- Hungary (1956)
- Czechoslovakia (1968)
- Afghanistan (1980)
- Georgia (2008)
China invaded Tibet, with whom it had diplomatic relations (1950)
pre 16 godina
Bob,
Bosnia has never been a Muslim majority country, let alone an slamic country!
Changes of demography occure everywhere. The white Americans will soon become a majority in the US. They found a better answer to the problem.
When Yugoslavia fell appart, Bosnia with its mixed population had no option but to stay united and neutral as it did for a while during the Croatian war.
In the case of Albania, keep in mind that it is the ONLY Balkan country that is still within its initial borders with which it emerged from the Ottoman Emprie. (Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania have all managed to at least double their territory after their first reapearence on the map. For all of them this was accepted as national unifications. For the Albanians it is decleared irridentism!
pre 16 godina
BG, the list is incomplete:
About Russia you forgot: Poland 1939 (while it was fighting the nazis), Japan (1945) despite of the non-aggression treaty,.
About China - the border attack on Vietnam in 1979.
pre 16 godina
nik
Yes - the Albanians have a country called Albania.
In the case of RS - as I understand the demographics - it was only in the 60s that Bosnia became majority muslim; the basis for the current demarkation is more religious than ethnic.
RS has more historical precedent than does an islamic based state in Bosnia (a new and unnecessary innovation) and like Kosovo RS has strong justification for being at the heart of Serbia. Historically the Turkish/islamic suppression of Serbs is a deep seated bad memory and I cannot blame any Serb who does not want to be under an islamic based government.
(Note I do not support any of the violence that suppressed muslims or any of the violence that suppressed Serbs. However, while the violence is a stain on both sides we must remember that actually the majority of the populations on either side were never part of that nastiness and just wanted a quite life.)
Until recently, the population demographics of Serbia were about one child per family whereas the demographics elsewhere were around 6 per family. That is the main reason why Serbs have been losing control to Albanians in Kosovo and muslims in Bosnia.
Many of the problems that are viewed as good vs bad are better understood in terms of altering demographics.
pre 16 godina
Putting out someone else's feelers. What a dirty job :)
pre 16 godina
It would make a welcome change from American Empire ... I certainly wouldn't call this a paradise.
...What exactly is wrong with Russia and China? They are not attacking anyone?
Peggy,
You have NO idea what are you talking about. Yugoslavia was SO lucky that it managed to slip away from the Russian orbit. And it prospered because it was assited by the West.
By the way, could you imagine what will happen in YOUR Australia, if the US fleet staps patroling the high seas?
(BG, 29 October 2009 11:00)
You didn't answer the question. Who are Russia and China attacking?
Do enlighten me. What would happen to Australia without American fleet? You're not one of those people who are saying that Indonesia will attack Australia, are you?
pre 16 godina
This is really a funny story... First the Us decide to give the independence to Kosovo, violating a resolution of the UN and the International Law. Incredibly (?) many states agree to recognize this illegal action, violating the sovereignity of Serbia and endorsing the violation of the International law, and now there is somebody who has the courage to blame Serbia because it should have good relation with a country which is illegally borned with a mutilation of its territory... Incredible!!!
pre 16 godina
The simple truth is, Serbia will at some point have to swallow the pill and recognize Kosovo's independence. Even when Kosovo was under direct Serbian rule, only 10% of Serbs lived there, the majority had no wish to settle there. Many have no doubt never visited the place. As for the EU needeing Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU, seriously? The EU seems to have done well without Serbia's membership for 60 odd years
pre 16 godina
BG, the list is incomplete:
About Russia you forgot: Poland 1939 (while it was fighting the nazis), Japan (1945) despite of the non-aggression treaty,.
About China - the border attack on Vietnam in 1979.
(nik, 30 October 2009 14:25)
USA:
- Grenada 1983 - because grenadian government was friendly to Cuba
- Panama 1989 - because dictator established by USA was ingrate
- Serbia 1999 - support for terrorists
- Afghanistan 2001
- Iraq 2003 - false reasons
Who will be next??
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