Serbs continue protest in north

Indeed protests should be radicalized! Bunch of occupiers. Can you imagine, they occupy your land, and then dictate to you in your own country?

Residents of Zubin Potok, Leposavić, Kosovska Mitrovica and Zvečan today threatened to radicalize their protest unless their demands are met.

I wonder what they mean by "Radicalize". are they going to throw molotov coctails, hand grenades, etc... I hope they do, cause all the beats are off then.

Being in in line with UNSCR1244, means paying custom duties and the money goes to Kosova govermant.
These poore people they are asking for 1244, yet they are acting against it. I don't think they have a clue what they are looking for.

Guys, go home it's to hot outside. Nothing will change if you carry on protesting.
This is a done deal, visa libelarization for Serb passport = forget north of Kosovo.

Kosova-USA,

It is time the Albanians are starting to implement 1244. That means: undoing the illegal independence.

Can't you see that by illegal actions peace and prosperity is only getting further away?

And please answer my question: if Kosovo why not Kurdistan?

Tadic allowed this happen.

I agree with the protesters. Customs should be payed, but the money must not go to the separatist shadow government in Pristina. Now is the right time to step up the protests. But violence should not be started by serbs. If the other side uses violence then it is ok to respond with equal violence (tit-for-tat).

Customs fees are premature. These people have a right to protest and am hoping not on deaf ears. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and officials seem to lie low hoping things will go away. Violence against innocent people is un-acceptable.

This could be a scam where not only indirectly Serbs are having to accept division but also whereby the government is trying to get x-tra cash for its own pocket.

"The Serbs repeated their demand that EULEX immediately stop collecting customs in the north of Kosovo, and stressed that they accept to pay the duties, but exclusively to the state of Serbia."

What I said in other posts? K-Serbs are serbian citizens. They will paid all bills, taxes etc. But only to their country - Serbia.

A question for Ron the defender of International law.
Why are you not supporting the full implementation of UNSC Resolution 1244. The only thing you focus on is that you "think" Kosovo independence violates the resolution.
You continually claim UNMIK is in charge when it is clear in the resolution the goal of the international presence was to help establish an autonomous self government in Kosovo and turn the duties over to that govt. Which has been done but you continually refuse to acknowledge this.
That plus protect Kosovo from Serbian interference.
(pss, 10 June 2009 19:03)

Please refer to Annex 2 of the UN resolution 1244:

Maintaining a Serb presence in key border points"

After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel
will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
- Liaison with the international civil mission and the international
security presence;
- Marking/clearing minefields;
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Everyone of the Serb Extremists should be arrested if they do any violent act.

Customs fees are premature. These people have a right to protest and am hoping not on deaf ears. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and officials seem to lie low hoping things will go away. Violence against innocent people is un-acceptable.

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Kosova was 100% separate as far as customs since 1999 anyway so that argument is invalid. Try something else. Oh, law and order will be established, Tadic already signed up for it.

Customs are important for one thing: a blockade of Serbian products until Serbia accepts "Made in Kosovo"

A question for Ron the defender of International law.
Why are you not supporting the full implementation of UNSC Resolution 1244. The only thing you focus on is that you "think" Kosovo independence violates the resolution.
You continually claim UNMIK is in charge when it is clear in the resolution the goal of the international presence was to help establish an autonomous self government in Kosovo and turn the duties over to that govt. Which has been done but you continually refuse to acknowledge this.
That plus protect Kosovo from Serbian interference.

"Residents of Zubin Potok, Leposavić, Kosovska Mitrovica and Zvečan today threatened to radicalize their protest unless their demands are met."

I would like to see that "radicalisation" so the "radicals" can be crashed once and for all.

take it easy and think about what your asking because you cant be taken serious with demands like that.
(xythi, 10 June 2009 19:13)

demands like that seem to have worked well for you guys so far...

their demands and threats are just like the terrorists from iraq.

guys take it easy because i dont think its a as hot in belgrade as it is in border lines.

take it easy and think about what your asking because you cant be taken serious with demands like that.

'And please answer my question: if Kosovo why not Kurdistan?'

Why not? It sounds like (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6360955.ece and
http://www.kurdishglobe.net/displayArticle.jsp?id=1A087B8628177D0285624903FA94D053) they're getting ready to talk - the PKK are interested in a federative structure, like that of Scotland.

As for why the West didn't rush to the Kurds' defense, well, Turkey was a Nato ally. (I remember reading 'war comics' as a kid which often featured our Turkish allies in the Korean War - I wonder whether they actually wore fezes into battle?)

I want to draw your attention to the strength of will and courage of these Serbian people, who go on resisting this oppression. Kosovo's Serbs have proved one more time that they are worthy descendants of their great Serbian ancestors and they deserve our admiration and deep respect.

“And please answer my question: if Kosovo why not Kurdistan?”
Ron, the answer to this question is within the famous Res 1244, which you seem to admire a lot, and the other UN SC Resolutions issued prior to it. I don’t know if you have read 1244, I myself read it today for the last time, and every time I read it nowhere I find anything referring to Serbia having sovereignty over Kosovo. It only talks about FRY, which no more exists. As far as I’m concerned Montenegro has equal rights to claim sovereignty over Kosovo, because it was Serbia and Montenegro what was left from ex Yugo. When this creation (Serbia and Montenegro) was created Kosovo was already under UN administration. So, subsequently, when Montenegrins voted in favor of their country’s independence what was left from Yugo – Serbia and Montenegro was only Serbia, without Kosovo.
if you can find anywhere in the 1244 referring to Kosovo (or as you like to refer Kosovo and Metohija) as being part of Serbia then please let us know.

Everyone of the Serb Extremists should be arrested if they do any violent act.
(KOSOVARi, 10 June 2009 17:40)

Are You sure? And what K-Albanians said when Serbian police arrested Albanian extremists in 90's???? It was good for You?? ;)

Give them Mitrovica and get them out of Kosovo borders. Let Serbia have them, and live in peace after that.

Serbia will always use these Serbs in north to destabilize Kosovo. Kosovo on the other hand has no interest in keeping them inside their state.

The idea of multi-ethnic Kosovo is unacceptable for both sides. So let them join Serbia, and we can live our lives in peace, away from Serbia.

There is simply to much hate and conflict between us to make us live together.

I’m sure you know that there were many attempts to strike a deal, but unfortunately in most of the occasions it was the Serbian side which was not very interested in striking deals, which led to NATO intervention, subsequently changing the whole political and other relevant factors in the area. There were attemts to strike a deal even after the 1244 enetered into force, but unfortunately no result, what left no other solution but declare independence unilaterally.
(Pz, 11 June 2009 14:12)

Do You know why was any deal?? Because Serbia stand on the position of cover their territory (like all countries on the world incl. Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Sri Lanka, Cyprus ect.). Serbia can gave lot of concessions for K-Albanians includning status of "nearly independence" (mayby form of confederation). But Albanians stand on the position of full "independence" and they can't gave any concession to Serbia. That was ultimatum - or You accepted our "independence" or we unilateral declare "independence".

In this situation can be any deal between Serbia and Albanian separatists.

Its quite harsh to have the international peacekeeping forces impose a customs duty inside one country. I'd be very angry if I were traveling from Western Australia to New South Wales and I had to pay customs duty.

I would like to see that "radicalisation" so the "radicals" can be crashed once and for all.
(EA, 10 June 2009 20:12)

Indeed, enough is enough. It is bound to happen.

Note "Maintain a presence" in no way means any type of control or authority.

Pz,

Mind that Serbia is the successor state of YU!

And Kosovo always was a SERBIAN PROVINCE. So it does not matter if Montenegro leaves YU.

You mix up the level of republics and provinces.

If I say that Los Angeles is part of the USA. And all states *but California* leave the USA then LA is still part of California.

It is as simple as math :)

You may not like the conclusion, but hey, it is there!

I am not against Kosovar indepenence. I am against ILLEGAL independence.

Why don't you strike a deal? Like Slovakia!

SERBS MUST NEVER ACCEPT ILLEGAL KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE!!

International law is much more important than Kosovo!

Who's in the business of creating instability?

You don't see the Albanains in Presevo behaving in this fashion.

“You mix up the level of republics and provinces”.
Ron, I did that sort of analogy on purpose, since I was expecting that you would give such a response when it comes to Serbia being successor of YU. So, since Serbia is successor of YU and knowing that there were other constituent parts of YU (apart Kosovo), does this mean that Serbia has sovereignty rights over them also?
“If I say that Los Angeles is part of the USA. And all states *but California* leave the USA then LA is still part of California.”
I agree, but in such a case California won’t have any sovereignty rights, let’s say over Miami, or New York.
It is as simple as math :)
“Why don't you strike a deal? Like Slovakia!”
I’m sure you know that there were many attempts to strike a deal, but unfortunately in most of the occasions it was the Serbian side which was not very interested in striking deals, which led to NATO intervention, subsequently changing the whole political and other relevant factors in the area. There were attemts to strike a deal even after the 1244 enetered into force, but unfortunately no result, what left no other solution but declare independence unilaterally.

Some Serb posters here support the radicalisation of protests. It looks like Serbia has been doing a lot more lately. Read the following.

Three Serbian intelligence officers have been arrested in Kosova for involvement in organised crime and for bribing people to invent 'organ trafficking' stories. Good Work BIA!!

Lets hope that is not the math being taught in Serbian schools.
The analogy makes no sense. Los Angelos has never had the same voting rights in the federal govt as California nor any separate rights in the US govt outside of California.
2nd Califonia has never sent troops into Los Angeles to dismantle the govt close down the schools and try to cleanse the citizens from the area.
3rd the UN has never felt it a necessity to go in and remove California control from LA.
Russia and China have never felt the need for that as they did vote to remove Serbia from Kosovo.
No international alliance such as NATO has had to bomb Sacremento to protect LA from California.
And finally no governor or elected official has been charged with war crimes over LA.
Even without these differences the analogy still is not even close

These Serbs are the bane of mankind. If they’re allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their ‘Serbian heaven’, than they will fulfill their most insane plans. This sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are permitted by Belgrade to act as parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off the expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. They must be expelled especially if they pose a threat to the public.

Divide the two peoples, Freedom for Serbs in S.Metohija(North Albania)!

These Serbs are the bane of mankind. If they’re allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their ‘Serbian heaven’, than they will fulfill their most insane plans. This sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are permitted by Belgrade to act as parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off the expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. They must be expelled especially if they pose a threat to the public.
(Petar, 12 June 2009 15:29)

My dear Peter - So You support serbian policy in Kosovo in 80-90's :)

My Dear Milan,

Albanians in Presevo are an integrated part of Serbian society. They pay their taxes and abide by the law. Pristina is also not in the business of creating political turmoil in an area which is predominantly populated by them.

Remember there are aspects of the Ahtisaari plan Albanians did not wish for either.

Indeed protests should be radicalized! Bunch of occupiers. Can you imagine, they occupy your land, and then dictate to you in your own country?

Residents of Zubin Potok, Leposavić, Kosovska Mitrovica and Zvečan today threatened to radicalize their protest unless their demands are met.

I wonder what they mean by "Radicalize". are they going to throw molotov coctails, hand grenades, etc... I hope they do, cause all the beats are off then.

Being in in line with UNSCR1244, means paying custom duties and the money goes to Kosova govermant.
These poore people they are asking for 1244, yet they are acting against it. I don't think they have a clue what they are looking for.

Kosova-USA,

It is time the Albanians are starting to implement 1244. That means: undoing the illegal independence.

Can't you see that by illegal actions peace and prosperity is only getting further away?

And please answer my question: if Kosovo why not Kurdistan?

Guys, go home it's to hot outside. Nothing will change if you carry on protesting.
This is a done deal, visa libelarization for Serb passport = forget north of Kosovo.

Customs fees are premature. These people have a right to protest and am hoping not on deaf ears. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and officials seem to lie low hoping things will go away. Violence against innocent people is un-acceptable.

This could be a scam where not only indirectly Serbs are having to accept division but also whereby the government is trying to get x-tra cash for its own pocket.

I agree with the protesters. Customs should be payed, but the money must not go to the separatist shadow government in Pristina. Now is the right time to step up the protests. But violence should not be started by serbs. If the other side uses violence then it is ok to respond with equal violence (tit-for-tat).

Give them Mitrovica and get them out of Kosovo borders. Let Serbia have them, and live in peace after that.

Serbia will always use these Serbs in north to destabilize Kosovo. Kosovo on the other hand has no interest in keeping them inside their state.

The idea of multi-ethnic Kosovo is unacceptable for both sides. So let them join Serbia, and we can live our lives in peace, away from Serbia.

There is simply to much hate and conflict between us to make us live together.

A question for Ron the defender of International law.
Why are you not supporting the full implementation of UNSC Resolution 1244. The only thing you focus on is that you "think" Kosovo independence violates the resolution.
You continually claim UNMIK is in charge when it is clear in the resolution the goal of the international presence was to help establish an autonomous self government in Kosovo and turn the duties over to that govt. Which has been done but you continually refuse to acknowledge this.
That plus protect Kosovo from Serbian interference.
(pss, 10 June 2009 19:03)

Please refer to Annex 2 of the UN resolution 1244:

Maintaining a Serb presence in key border points"

After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel
will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
- Liaison with the international civil mission and the international
security presence;
- Marking/clearing minefields;
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Everyone of the Serb Extremists should be arrested if they do any violent act.

Customs fees are premature. These people have a right to protest and am hoping not on deaf ears. Kosovo is still a part of Serbia and officials seem to lie low hoping things will go away. Violence against innocent people is un-acceptable.

---
Kosova was 100% separate as far as customs since 1999 anyway so that argument is invalid. Try something else. Oh, law and order will be established, Tadic already signed up for it.

Customs are important for one thing: a blockade of Serbian products until Serbia accepts "Made in Kosovo"

"The Serbs repeated their demand that EULEX immediately stop collecting customs in the north of Kosovo, and stressed that they accept to pay the duties, but exclusively to the state of Serbia."

What I said in other posts? K-Serbs are serbian citizens. They will paid all bills, taxes etc. But only to their country - Serbia.

A question for Ron the defender of International law.
Why are you not supporting the full implementation of UNSC Resolution 1244. The only thing you focus on is that you "think" Kosovo independence violates the resolution.
You continually claim UNMIK is in charge when it is clear in the resolution the goal of the international presence was to help establish an autonomous self government in Kosovo and turn the duties over to that govt. Which has been done but you continually refuse to acknowledge this.
That plus protect Kosovo from Serbian interference.

"Residents of Zubin Potok, Leposavić, Kosovska Mitrovica and Zvečan today threatened to radicalize their protest unless their demands are met."

I would like to see that "radicalisation" so the "radicals" can be crashed once and for all.

their demands and threats are just like the terrorists from iraq.

guys take it easy because i dont think its a as hot in belgrade as it is in border lines.

take it easy and think about what your asking because you cant be taken serious with demands like that.

Who's in the business of creating instability?

You don't see the Albanains in Presevo behaving in this fashion.

'And please answer my question: if Kosovo why not Kurdistan?'

Why not? It sounds like (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6360955.ece and
http://www.kurdishglobe.net/displayArticle.jsp?id=1A087B8628177D0285624903FA94D053) they're getting ready to talk - the PKK are interested in a federative structure, like that of Scotland.

As for why the West didn't rush to the Kurds' defense, well, Turkey was a Nato ally. (I remember reading 'war comics' as a kid which often featured our Turkish allies in the Korean War - I wonder whether they actually wore fezes into battle?)

I want to draw your attention to the strength of will and courage of these Serbian people, who go on resisting this oppression. Kosovo's Serbs have proved one more time that they are worthy descendants of their great Serbian ancestors and they deserve our admiration and deep respect.

Tadic allowed this happen.

Everyone of the Serb Extremists should be arrested if they do any violent act.
(KOSOVARi, 10 June 2009 17:40)

Are You sure? And what K-Albanians said when Serbian police arrested Albanian extremists in 90's???? It was good for You?? ;)

I would like to see that "radicalisation" so the "radicals" can be crashed once and for all.
(EA, 10 June 2009 20:12)

Indeed, enough is enough. It is bound to happen.

“And please answer my question: if Kosovo why not Kurdistan?”
Ron, the answer to this question is within the famous Res 1244, which you seem to admire a lot, and the other UN SC Resolutions issued prior to it. I don’t know if you have read 1244, I myself read it today for the last time, and every time I read it nowhere I find anything referring to Serbia having sovereignty over Kosovo. It only talks about FRY, which no more exists. As far as I’m concerned Montenegro has equal rights to claim sovereignty over Kosovo, because it was Serbia and Montenegro what was left from ex Yugo. When this creation (Serbia and Montenegro) was created Kosovo was already under UN administration. So, subsequently, when Montenegrins voted in favor of their country’s independence what was left from Yugo – Serbia and Montenegro was only Serbia, without Kosovo.
if you can find anywhere in the 1244 referring to Kosovo (or as you like to refer Kosovo and Metohija) as being part of Serbia then please let us know.

take it easy and think about what your asking because you cant be taken serious with demands like that.
(xythi, 10 June 2009 19:13)

demands like that seem to have worked well for you guys so far...

Lets hope that is not the math being taught in Serbian schools.
The analogy makes no sense. Los Angelos has never had the same voting rights in the federal govt as California nor any separate rights in the US govt outside of California.
2nd Califonia has never sent troops into Los Angeles to dismantle the govt close down the schools and try to cleanse the citizens from the area.
3rd the UN has never felt it a necessity to go in and remove California control from LA.
Russia and China have never felt the need for that as they did vote to remove Serbia from Kosovo.
No international alliance such as NATO has had to bomb Sacremento to protect LA from California.
And finally no governor or elected official has been charged with war crimes over LA.
Even without these differences the analogy still is not even close

Note "Maintain a presence" in no way means any type of control or authority.

Pz,

Mind that Serbia is the successor state of YU!

And Kosovo always was a SERBIAN PROVINCE. So it does not matter if Montenegro leaves YU.

You mix up the level of republics and provinces.

If I say that Los Angeles is part of the USA. And all states *but California* leave the USA then LA is still part of California.

It is as simple as math :)

You may not like the conclusion, but hey, it is there!

I am not against Kosovar indepenence. I am against ILLEGAL independence.

Why don't you strike a deal? Like Slovakia!

SERBS MUST NEVER ACCEPT ILLEGAL KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE!!

International law is much more important than Kosovo!

“You mix up the level of republics and provinces”.
Ron, I did that sort of analogy on purpose, since I was expecting that you would give such a response when it comes to Serbia being successor of YU. So, since Serbia is successor of YU and knowing that there were other constituent parts of YU (apart Kosovo), does this mean that Serbia has sovereignty rights over them also?
“If I say that Los Angeles is part of the USA. And all states *but California* leave the USA then LA is still part of California.”
I agree, but in such a case California won’t have any sovereignty rights, let’s say over Miami, or New York.
It is as simple as math :)
“Why don't you strike a deal? Like Slovakia!”
I’m sure you know that there were many attempts to strike a deal, but unfortunately in most of the occasions it was the Serbian side which was not very interested in striking deals, which led to NATO intervention, subsequently changing the whole political and other relevant factors in the area. There were attemts to strike a deal even after the 1244 enetered into force, but unfortunately no result, what left no other solution but declare independence unilaterally.

Divide the two peoples, Freedom for Serbs in S.Metohija(North Albania)!

Its quite harsh to have the international peacekeeping forces impose a customs duty inside one country. I'd be very angry if I were traveling from Western Australia to New South Wales and I had to pay customs duty.

I’m sure you know that there were many attempts to strike a deal, but unfortunately in most of the occasions it was the Serbian side which was not very interested in striking deals, which led to NATO intervention, subsequently changing the whole political and other relevant factors in the area. There were attemts to strike a deal even after the 1244 enetered into force, but unfortunately no result, what left no other solution but declare independence unilaterally.
(Pz, 11 June 2009 14:12)

Do You know why was any deal?? Because Serbia stand on the position of cover their territory (like all countries on the world incl. Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Sri Lanka, Cyprus ect.). Serbia can gave lot of concessions for K-Albanians includning status of "nearly independence" (mayby form of confederation). But Albanians stand on the position of full "independence" and they can't gave any concession to Serbia. That was ultimatum - or You accepted our "independence" or we unilateral declare "independence".

In this situation can be any deal between Serbia and Albanian separatists.

Some Serb posters here support the radicalisation of protests. It looks like Serbia has been doing a lot more lately. Read the following.

Three Serbian intelligence officers have been arrested in Kosova for involvement in organised crime and for bribing people to invent 'organ trafficking' stories. Good Work BIA!!

These Serbs are the bane of mankind. If they’re allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their ‘Serbian heaven’, than they will fulfill their most insane plans. This sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are permitted by Belgrade to act as parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off the expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. They must be expelled especially if they pose a threat to the public.

These Serbs are the bane of mankind. If they’re allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their ‘Serbian heaven’, than they will fulfill their most insane plans. This sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are permitted by Belgrade to act as parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off the expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. They must be expelled especially if they pose a threat to the public.
(Petar, 12 June 2009 15:29)

My dear Peter - So You support serbian policy in Kosovo in 80-90's :)

My Dear Milan,

Albanians in Presevo are an integrated part of Serbian society. They pay their taxes and abide by the law. Pristina is also not in the business of creating political turmoil in an area which is predominantly populated by them.

Remember there are aspects of the Ahtisaari plan Albanians did not wish for either.