31

Monday, 18.05.2009.

09:42

Police out in force for Muslim leader's visit

Serbian police (MUP) have banned a gathering of the Islamic Community in Serbia, planned in Tutin, southwestern Serbia, on Monday.

Izvor: B92

Police out in force for Muslim leader's visit IMAGE SOURCE
IMAGE DESCRIPTION

31 Komentari

Sortiraj po:

Ervin

pre 17 godina

I am an Albanian from Albania, and my family has a muslim background, although never really practice.

I salute Serbia on this one. Albanians have suffered a lot from the dark corners of islam, and now islam in Albania is looked down by the vast majority. I hope they do the same in Kosovo.

Peggy

pre 17 godina

People, Ian has ben radicalized by one Albanian family which he said lived with them after they were expelled from Kosovo.

He said that his father is an Ambulance officer and they took this family in until they had a place to go. Beats me how they communicated because Ian claim not to have any Albanian blood in him. Perhaps a crash couse in English for this family helped.

He writes on another site constantly and is always critical of Serbs. No amount of evidence will change him as someone who has become radicalized does not change.

Amazing what one family of Albanians can do when they start with their stories.

Ian chooses to ignore the London protests where Muslims held banners with "Behead those who insult Islam" and the like. "Europe your 9/11 is coming", Hitler signs etc. were all displayed at that protest. Ian doesn't think that this is racist or radical at all because it is coming from the Muslims. But, Serbs ban something because of protecting Muslims from hurting each other and they are considered intolerant.

David

pre 17 godina

What kind of rights to Islamic countries afford their own people, and those of other religions and nationalities?

Yet they go to other countries, prophesizing of their own virtues and demand rights and respect that they in turn do not provide. Sometimes you need to meet bluntness with the same to stop it.

Jovan Z

pre 17 godina

Amazing one or two pure ignorant comments sends a slew of responses.What does Srbija have to prove to Ian and the UK? Please his comments do not need a response. They need to do the explaining Abu Grhaib,water boarding,the daily bombing of innocent life in Afghanistan and the daily Predator attacks in Pakistan.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian

So what's wrong with preventive measures from the Serbian authorities? Before you point a finger at others you should take a look at your own country and your closest allies. "The pillar of democracy", the US, is free to torture muslims in the name of democracy. If you can't guarantee the safety of your citizens then taking actions like these are not wrong. I live in Malmoe, Sweden and recently the police prevented a peacefull demonstration by the Jewish community because their safety could not be guaranteed. There was violent oposition from the many muslims in Malmo and to prevent an outbreak of violence the gathering was canceled by the authorities. Serbia is far from perfect but it has, with a few exceptions, had great cooperation with muslims within Serbia as well as abroad.

Niall

pre 17 godina

What happened to freedom of religion in Serbia?

Hopefully Muslim nations will look at this incident whilst deciding their final position on Kosovo. There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia. This is a bad day for Democracy in Serbia.
(Ian, UK, 18 May 2009 12:56)

Ian let me clear up a few things with you.

Serbia's Muslims, Catholics, Protestants and Jews have freedom of worship and do not experience any form of harrassment. They are free to worship in the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues and worship who they like.

Have you ever been to Serbia to see for yourself the co -existence between various religions. Its a model that the UK could certainly look at. I suggest you take a trip to Belgrade, Novi Sad, Subotica, Nis and Novi Pazar and see for yourself. Or how about hop on the bus and journey through the many ethnic Czech, Slovak and Hungarian villages & towns and see Lutheran and Catholic churches standing side by side. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Now about the Sandzak...if you did a bit of research you will see that there has been disturbances in the region as there is a power battle between radical Saudi Arabian inspired Wahabbi Islamists and secular Muslims who pledge allegiance to Belgrade. Last year 2 suspected members of Al-Queada were shot dead by police in a shoot out after a tip off that local militants were planning on waging an armed Islamic insurrection. A number of arrests were made and a considerable amount of arms were found. The place has been edgy and there have been frequent clashes and shootings either outside the Mosques after Friday Prayer or in isolated incidents. See the recent shooting of the IZS official.

Given the volatile situation, Belgrade on very good advice from the local authorities in Novi Pazar have banned the upcoming rival rallies for fear of further violence and bloodshed. The Serbian authorities first duty is to uphold law & order and the safety of its citizens.

I think Ian given the circumstances and the current tense situation in the Sandzak, it couldnt hardly constitute oppression of the Bosniak minority now would it.

Remember if the police dont grasp what is happening now, Serbia could very well be facing a full scale radical Islamic insurgency. (All you need is for the Wahhabis to out-muscle the secularists). Now nobody wants that.

Ranko

pre 17 godina

Ian UK

What planet are you from theres no trouble between whites and asian muslims??? What was Bradford riots??? Im Serb/English from Halifax and i know for a fact there is always trouble between Asian Muslims not only with white non muslims but other ethnic groups like Sikhs, Hindus and even Bosnians who live near Bradford and did i forget to mention other asian muslims just like Sandzak where its Muslim vs Muslim.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 17 godina

The secret police have been formenting trouble in Sandzak for sometime.
They are supporting Zilkic in the hope of splitting Islamic community in two. A very obvious Stalinesque ploy which we in the West see for what it is.
(Sebastian, 18 May 2009 17:21)

Really, have you any proof of that.

I tell you what I see, Saudi Arabian influenced Wahabbis from Bosnia have infiltrated Serbia's Bosniak population who are a majority in the Sandzak region in a bid to destabalise Serbia and impose Sharia Law in the region.

Dont be surprised if the West is in some way encouraging this from the sidelines. Remember what the German ambassador to Belgrade said last year.

Here's a reminder of what he said - http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2007/04/zobel-raus.html

Dim Tuc

pre 17 godina

Ian: “There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia”

Increasing? I presume Ian is referring to a period around 20-25 years ago when it was indeed increasing really wildly (and yes, I was in Serbia for extended periods around that time), and this was then sustained throughout the 1990s, with horrific results. Having said that, I doubt that, in fairness, there is any “increase” today, more likely it has been tempered somewhat since 2000 (despite some of the ravings in these comments at times), and it seems unlikely to be related to this event, which appears more a stupid overreaction to local politics.

Szemi: “Sometimes before writing such nonsense comments try watching some islam tv chanels and their opinion .Most of them consider albanians and bosniaks puppets of US israeli lobby”

I suggest szemi is making this up. To some extent it may be true of attitudes towards the Albanians since 1999, as a result of reacting against US intervention, given active US hostility to Islamic, Arab and especially Palestinian concerns. However, it is utterly untrue regarding the Bosniaks. The feeling throughout the muslim world is that that the bosniaks were left out to the slaughter for years in the heart of Europe, the west cutting up their country to please serb and croat nationalists, embargoing arms while they were under attack by one of the largest armies in Europe, even wining and dining with mladic up till the day they let him walk into Srebrenica and slaughter 8500 muslims, despite NATO’s thousands of troops crawling all over bosnia doing, well, nothing very much and getting cash for it, till Milosevic became a partner at Dayton to split their country in half. And of course they are right.

BalkanUpdate

pre 17 godina

No, I do not blame Serbia for stopping this so called gathering. The leaders of the Islamic community in Serbia have shown themselves to be incompetent and unworthy of any kind of following. This conflict between these factions has been going for a long time now and it is nothing more than powerplay by these two leaders. They are only harming the people they purport to lead. Total disgrace!

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

@ Mice C

MiceYusuf al-Qaradawi was banned from the UK because he promoted Racial Hate. Our Freedom of Speech law says you can say what you want as long as you don't promote racial hate.

Head veils, they are worn by some muslim women, but it is not a religious belief as such. If you look at Video footage from 1890's Morocco, Egypt, Arabia ect you will see that no women wear head veils. My father is manager of an A&E in the local hospital, he says that they are not allowed to wear them because head veils are not as practical for communication and that is before we even mention hygiene. Teachers are not allowed to wear head veils in schools because they cover the mouth, and when children are learning to talk and improving their language skills, one of the ways they learn is by watching the lips and they head veil blocks that.

I think one of the reasons for these so called "terrorist cells" in the UK is for reasons such as the war in Iraq ans Afghanistan. Besides there is hardly an of these cells. 99.9% of muslims in the UK don't care about radical Islam, they just want to get on with their lives ect.

Sebastian

pre 17 godina

The secret police have been formenting trouble in Sandzak for sometime.
They are supporting Zilkic in the hope of splitting Islamic community in two. A very obvious Stalinesque ploy which we in the West see for what it is.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 17 godina

"The Islamic Community of Serbia is led by Adem Zilkić, while Muamer Zukorlić is at the helm of the Islamic Community in Serbia."

This dispute has a distinct echo of the Monthy Python Life of Brian skit, Peoples Front of Judea v the Judean Peoples Front.

This would be hilarious if it wasnt so deadly serious.

dave(UK)

pre 17 godina

Ian UK sorry mate you must live in a different UK to me, The papers you mention would put the slant of Muslim extremist clerics hold demo. As for no trouble i lived in Telford for many years and there was tension between non muslims and Muslims, some went by the name the muslim warriors, we had groups waving banners after 9/11.

As for the Muslim gathering in Serbia i can not comment as i know nothing about it.

Ian the other point on Kosovo, it belongs to Serbia, The west backed terrorists (KLA) which are no different to Hamas or closer to home the Real IRA.

And before you mention alleged crimes in Kosovo don't forget the KLA attacked the Serbs first again using terrorist bombs.

and finally yes i am English and yes i support Serbia on Kosovo and no we should not have bombed Serbia.

iseult henry

pre 17 godina

I'm from a city called Bradford with a high Muslim population and there is hardly any conflict there between Muslims and whites.

Ian , the reason there is no conflict between muslims and "whites" in Bradford is that there are hardly any "whites" left in Bradford.

malcolm x

pre 17 godina

don't pay much attention to what ian is saying. the uk regularly bans people from entering its territory "for security reasons" be it reggae and hip hop artists or controversial clerics and politicians. plus it is obvious that this is about politics and not about religion, so saying that this is about religious freedom is nonsense. it is also not comparable to fights between whites and muslims in the uk because this is a fight between muslims themselves.

and it would be wrong to suggest that there is no islamophobia in the west, unfortunately.

Milan

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK,

You guys are trying to be so politically correct after making a mess around the world for a long long time. It is the price you are now paying for having overseas colonies. The fact of the matter is that the media in the UK (like a lot of Brits) is probably scared to death of Muslims and other minorities that have become majorities in many places. Besides some things like sport and financial business you Brits are not particularly in control of your own country. The fact that your can post your irresponsible comments on this Serbian site shows that it is not as bad a you claim it is. No matter what, with people like you one can never win. Just worry about the problems in your own country and keep your nose out of ours.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK

So, Serbia is undemocratic for not allowing a fundamentalist muslim gathering? Well, if the UK is so noble and democratic why did they ban the muslim extremist Yusuf al-Qaradawi from entering the country?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/07/religion.politics

If the UK is so democratic and sensitive to other religions why did they ban muslim medical students to wear vails?
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16302/the-veil-is-banned-in-uk-hospitals

If the muslims are treated so well in Britain how come there are so many terrorist cells in the country? We witnessed what they were capable of a couple of years ago.

Can you answer that "Ian"?

Dave

pre 17 godina

Ian - you are so far off the mark here that I hope it's due to ignorance rather than mischief-making. I therefore suggest you look back at some of the stories in B92's "Unrest in Sandzak" archive, where you will see that what is happening is a turf war amongst Bosniak political factions at which Belgrade - not to mention Sandzak's Orthodox population - can only look on in dismay. There is not a hint of religious repression or islamophobia in this situation.

Tunxh

pre 17 godina

This is discrimination against Muslims. They are being denied the equal protection of the laws, and are being deprived of their fundamental right to gather and petition. This is a disgrace for Serbia, which behaves towards Muslims in a xenophobic manner.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 17 godina

Ian,

You really are clueless to how life is in Serbia. If you had spent a bit of time there and read some history you would probably have a 25% of understanding.

The region in which the demo is planned has had a considerable amount of violence in recent months. Not between Christian and Muslim religions but between Muslims themselves. So before you open your mouth and embarass yourself (again and again) please research your topic.

Peter Sudyka

pre 17 godina

IanUK

And I suppose that Muslims are glorified across "the West". It's enough you talk to some of the general local population to get an idea of how Muslims are thought of, the views of the governments and the rights they enforce are not necessarily representative of that of the average person.

szemi

pre 17 godina

Ian , UK

Sometimes before writing such nonsense comments try watching some islam tv chanels and their opinion .Most of them consider albanians and bosniaks puppets of US israeli lobby(of course except for those which themselves are occupied by US such as Iraq and Afganistan or are also puppets such as Saudi Arabian elite).

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

"you albanians"
(MikeC, 18 May 2009 13:44)

I aint Albanian. So I don't know what your on about. I'm from a city called Bradford with a high Muslim population and there is hardly any conflict there between Muslims and whites. The media would go mental at the Police in Britain if we banned a Muslim gathering and say it is completely un-politicly correct. Senior Police officers would be under a lot of pressure from Newspapers such as the Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Telegraph. But it seems to be a different story in Serbia.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK = yeah right!

Obviously you are just trying to spread anti-Serb propaganda. Blaming Serbs for a conflict between muslims just shows how low you albanians can go to discredit Serbia in your bid to get independence. The world bought your lies once but never again.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

What happened to freedom of religion in Serbia?

Hopefully Muslim nations will look at this incident whilst deciding their final position on Kosovo. There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia. This is a bad day for Democracy in Serbia.

Goran.

pre 17 godina

And so they should block it, good on them.

These factions are that idiotic that they don't even realise that the only thing they have different between them is the 'in' and 'of', and they have to go around fighting and shooting each other.

Why should we allow the meeting when we know there will be violence?...we don't need that on our streets.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK = yeah right!

Obviously you are just trying to spread anti-Serb propaganda. Blaming Serbs for a conflict between muslims just shows how low you albanians can go to discredit Serbia in your bid to get independence. The world bought your lies once but never again.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 17 godina

Ian,

You really are clueless to how life is in Serbia. If you had spent a bit of time there and read some history you would probably have a 25% of understanding.

The region in which the demo is planned has had a considerable amount of violence in recent months. Not between Christian and Muslim religions but between Muslims themselves. So before you open your mouth and embarass yourself (again and again) please research your topic.

Dave

pre 17 godina

Ian - you are so far off the mark here that I hope it's due to ignorance rather than mischief-making. I therefore suggest you look back at some of the stories in B92's "Unrest in Sandzak" archive, where you will see that what is happening is a turf war amongst Bosniak political factions at which Belgrade - not to mention Sandzak's Orthodox population - can only look on in dismay. There is not a hint of religious repression or islamophobia in this situation.

iseult henry

pre 17 godina

I'm from a city called Bradford with a high Muslim population and there is hardly any conflict there between Muslims and whites.

Ian , the reason there is no conflict between muslims and "whites" in Bradford is that there are hardly any "whites" left in Bradford.

Goran.

pre 17 godina

And so they should block it, good on them.

These factions are that idiotic that they don't even realise that the only thing they have different between them is the 'in' and 'of', and they have to go around fighting and shooting each other.

Why should we allow the meeting when we know there will be violence?...we don't need that on our streets.

szemi

pre 17 godina

Ian , UK

Sometimes before writing such nonsense comments try watching some islam tv chanels and their opinion .Most of them consider albanians and bosniaks puppets of US israeli lobby(of course except for those which themselves are occupied by US such as Iraq and Afganistan or are also puppets such as Saudi Arabian elite).

Peter Sudyka

pre 17 godina

IanUK

And I suppose that Muslims are glorified across "the West". It's enough you talk to some of the general local population to get an idea of how Muslims are thought of, the views of the governments and the rights they enforce are not necessarily representative of that of the average person.

BalkanUpdate

pre 17 godina

No, I do not blame Serbia for stopping this so called gathering. The leaders of the Islamic community in Serbia have shown themselves to be incompetent and unworthy of any kind of following. This conflict between these factions has been going for a long time now and it is nothing more than powerplay by these two leaders. They are only harming the people they purport to lead. Total disgrace!

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK

So, Serbia is undemocratic for not allowing a fundamentalist muslim gathering? Well, if the UK is so noble and democratic why did they ban the muslim extremist Yusuf al-Qaradawi from entering the country?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/07/religion.politics

If the UK is so democratic and sensitive to other religions why did they ban muslim medical students to wear vails?
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16302/the-veil-is-banned-in-uk-hospitals

If the muslims are treated so well in Britain how come there are so many terrorist cells in the country? We witnessed what they were capable of a couple of years ago.

Can you answer that "Ian"?

Niall O'Doherty

pre 17 godina

"The Islamic Community of Serbia is led by Adem Zilkić, while Muamer Zukorlić is at the helm of the Islamic Community in Serbia."

This dispute has a distinct echo of the Monthy Python Life of Brian skit, Peoples Front of Judea v the Judean Peoples Front.

This would be hilarious if it wasnt so deadly serious.

Jovan Z

pre 17 godina

Amazing one or two pure ignorant comments sends a slew of responses.What does Srbija have to prove to Ian and the UK? Please his comments do not need a response. They need to do the explaining Abu Grhaib,water boarding,the daily bombing of innocent life in Afghanistan and the daily Predator attacks in Pakistan.

dave(UK)

pre 17 godina

Ian UK sorry mate you must live in a different UK to me, The papers you mention would put the slant of Muslim extremist clerics hold demo. As for no trouble i lived in Telford for many years and there was tension between non muslims and Muslims, some went by the name the muslim warriors, we had groups waving banners after 9/11.

As for the Muslim gathering in Serbia i can not comment as i know nothing about it.

Ian the other point on Kosovo, it belongs to Serbia, The west backed terrorists (KLA) which are no different to Hamas or closer to home the Real IRA.

And before you mention alleged crimes in Kosovo don't forget the KLA attacked the Serbs first again using terrorist bombs.

and finally yes i am English and yes i support Serbia on Kosovo and no we should not have bombed Serbia.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian

So what's wrong with preventive measures from the Serbian authorities? Before you point a finger at others you should take a look at your own country and your closest allies. "The pillar of democracy", the US, is free to torture muslims in the name of democracy. If you can't guarantee the safety of your citizens then taking actions like these are not wrong. I live in Malmoe, Sweden and recently the police prevented a peacefull demonstration by the Jewish community because their safety could not be guaranteed. There was violent oposition from the many muslims in Malmo and to prevent an outbreak of violence the gathering was canceled by the authorities. Serbia is far from perfect but it has, with a few exceptions, had great cooperation with muslims within Serbia as well as abroad.

Niall

pre 17 godina

What happened to freedom of religion in Serbia?

Hopefully Muslim nations will look at this incident whilst deciding their final position on Kosovo. There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia. This is a bad day for Democracy in Serbia.
(Ian, UK, 18 May 2009 12:56)

Ian let me clear up a few things with you.

Serbia's Muslims, Catholics, Protestants and Jews have freedom of worship and do not experience any form of harrassment. They are free to worship in the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues and worship who they like.

Have you ever been to Serbia to see for yourself the co -existence between various religions. Its a model that the UK could certainly look at. I suggest you take a trip to Belgrade, Novi Sad, Subotica, Nis and Novi Pazar and see for yourself. Or how about hop on the bus and journey through the many ethnic Czech, Slovak and Hungarian villages & towns and see Lutheran and Catholic churches standing side by side. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Now about the Sandzak...if you did a bit of research you will see that there has been disturbances in the region as there is a power battle between radical Saudi Arabian inspired Wahabbi Islamists and secular Muslims who pledge allegiance to Belgrade. Last year 2 suspected members of Al-Queada were shot dead by police in a shoot out after a tip off that local militants were planning on waging an armed Islamic insurrection. A number of arrests were made and a considerable amount of arms were found. The place has been edgy and there have been frequent clashes and shootings either outside the Mosques after Friday Prayer or in isolated incidents. See the recent shooting of the IZS official.

Given the volatile situation, Belgrade on very good advice from the local authorities in Novi Pazar have banned the upcoming rival rallies for fear of further violence and bloodshed. The Serbian authorities first duty is to uphold law & order and the safety of its citizens.

I think Ian given the circumstances and the current tense situation in the Sandzak, it couldnt hardly constitute oppression of the Bosniak minority now would it.

Remember if the police dont grasp what is happening now, Serbia could very well be facing a full scale radical Islamic insurgency. (All you need is for the Wahhabis to out-muscle the secularists). Now nobody wants that.

malcolm x

pre 17 godina

don't pay much attention to what ian is saying. the uk regularly bans people from entering its territory "for security reasons" be it reggae and hip hop artists or controversial clerics and politicians. plus it is obvious that this is about politics and not about religion, so saying that this is about religious freedom is nonsense. it is also not comparable to fights between whites and muslims in the uk because this is a fight between muslims themselves.

and it would be wrong to suggest that there is no islamophobia in the west, unfortunately.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 17 godina

The secret police have been formenting trouble in Sandzak for sometime.
They are supporting Zilkic in the hope of splitting Islamic community in two. A very obvious Stalinesque ploy which we in the West see for what it is.
(Sebastian, 18 May 2009 17:21)

Really, have you any proof of that.

I tell you what I see, Saudi Arabian influenced Wahabbis from Bosnia have infiltrated Serbia's Bosniak population who are a majority in the Sandzak region in a bid to destabalise Serbia and impose Sharia Law in the region.

Dont be surprised if the West is in some way encouraging this from the sidelines. Remember what the German ambassador to Belgrade said last year.

Here's a reminder of what he said - http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2007/04/zobel-raus.html

Ranko

pre 17 godina

Ian UK

What planet are you from theres no trouble between whites and asian muslims??? What was Bradford riots??? Im Serb/English from Halifax and i know for a fact there is always trouble between Asian Muslims not only with white non muslims but other ethnic groups like Sikhs, Hindus and even Bosnians who live near Bradford and did i forget to mention other asian muslims just like Sandzak where its Muslim vs Muslim.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

What happened to freedom of religion in Serbia?

Hopefully Muslim nations will look at this incident whilst deciding their final position on Kosovo. There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia. This is a bad day for Democracy in Serbia.

Milan

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK,

You guys are trying to be so politically correct after making a mess around the world for a long long time. It is the price you are now paying for having overseas colonies. The fact of the matter is that the media in the UK (like a lot of Brits) is probably scared to death of Muslims and other minorities that have become majorities in many places. Besides some things like sport and financial business you Brits are not particularly in control of your own country. The fact that your can post your irresponsible comments on this Serbian site shows that it is not as bad a you claim it is. No matter what, with people like you one can never win. Just worry about the problems in your own country and keep your nose out of ours.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

"you albanians"
(MikeC, 18 May 2009 13:44)

I aint Albanian. So I don't know what your on about. I'm from a city called Bradford with a high Muslim population and there is hardly any conflict there between Muslims and whites. The media would go mental at the Police in Britain if we banned a Muslim gathering and say it is completely un-politicly correct. Senior Police officers would be under a lot of pressure from Newspapers such as the Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Telegraph. But it seems to be a different story in Serbia.

Tunxh

pre 17 godina

This is discrimination against Muslims. They are being denied the equal protection of the laws, and are being deprived of their fundamental right to gather and petition. This is a disgrace for Serbia, which behaves towards Muslims in a xenophobic manner.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

@ Mice C

MiceYusuf al-Qaradawi was banned from the UK because he promoted Racial Hate. Our Freedom of Speech law says you can say what you want as long as you don't promote racial hate.

Head veils, they are worn by some muslim women, but it is not a religious belief as such. If you look at Video footage from 1890's Morocco, Egypt, Arabia ect you will see that no women wear head veils. My father is manager of an A&E in the local hospital, he says that they are not allowed to wear them because head veils are not as practical for communication and that is before we even mention hygiene. Teachers are not allowed to wear head veils in schools because they cover the mouth, and when children are learning to talk and improving their language skills, one of the ways they learn is by watching the lips and they head veil blocks that.

I think one of the reasons for these so called "terrorist cells" in the UK is for reasons such as the war in Iraq ans Afghanistan. Besides there is hardly an of these cells. 99.9% of muslims in the UK don't care about radical Islam, they just want to get on with their lives ect.

Dim Tuc

pre 17 godina

Ian: “There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia”

Increasing? I presume Ian is referring to a period around 20-25 years ago when it was indeed increasing really wildly (and yes, I was in Serbia for extended periods around that time), and this was then sustained throughout the 1990s, with horrific results. Having said that, I doubt that, in fairness, there is any “increase” today, more likely it has been tempered somewhat since 2000 (despite some of the ravings in these comments at times), and it seems unlikely to be related to this event, which appears more a stupid overreaction to local politics.

Szemi: “Sometimes before writing such nonsense comments try watching some islam tv chanels and their opinion .Most of them consider albanians and bosniaks puppets of US israeli lobby”

I suggest szemi is making this up. To some extent it may be true of attitudes towards the Albanians since 1999, as a result of reacting against US intervention, given active US hostility to Islamic, Arab and especially Palestinian concerns. However, it is utterly untrue regarding the Bosniaks. The feeling throughout the muslim world is that that the bosniaks were left out to the slaughter for years in the heart of Europe, the west cutting up their country to please serb and croat nationalists, embargoing arms while they were under attack by one of the largest armies in Europe, even wining and dining with mladic up till the day they let him walk into Srebrenica and slaughter 8500 muslims, despite NATO’s thousands of troops crawling all over bosnia doing, well, nothing very much and getting cash for it, till Milosevic became a partner at Dayton to split their country in half. And of course they are right.

Sebastian

pre 17 godina

The secret police have been formenting trouble in Sandzak for sometime.
They are supporting Zilkic in the hope of splitting Islamic community in two. A very obvious Stalinesque ploy which we in the West see for what it is.

David

pre 17 godina

What kind of rights to Islamic countries afford their own people, and those of other religions and nationalities?

Yet they go to other countries, prophesizing of their own virtues and demand rights and respect that they in turn do not provide. Sometimes you need to meet bluntness with the same to stop it.

Ervin

pre 17 godina

I am an Albanian from Albania, and my family has a muslim background, although never really practice.

I salute Serbia on this one. Albanians have suffered a lot from the dark corners of islam, and now islam in Albania is looked down by the vast majority. I hope they do the same in Kosovo.

Peggy

pre 17 godina

People, Ian has ben radicalized by one Albanian family which he said lived with them after they were expelled from Kosovo.

He said that his father is an Ambulance officer and they took this family in until they had a place to go. Beats me how they communicated because Ian claim not to have any Albanian blood in him. Perhaps a crash couse in English for this family helped.

He writes on another site constantly and is always critical of Serbs. No amount of evidence will change him as someone who has become radicalized does not change.

Amazing what one family of Albanians can do when they start with their stories.

Ian chooses to ignore the London protests where Muslims held banners with "Behead those who insult Islam" and the like. "Europe your 9/11 is coming", Hitler signs etc. were all displayed at that protest. Ian doesn't think that this is racist or radical at all because it is coming from the Muslims. But, Serbs ban something because of protecting Muslims from hurting each other and they are considered intolerant.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

What happened to freedom of religion in Serbia?

Hopefully Muslim nations will look at this incident whilst deciding their final position on Kosovo. There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia. This is a bad day for Democracy in Serbia.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

"you albanians"
(MikeC, 18 May 2009 13:44)

I aint Albanian. So I don't know what your on about. I'm from a city called Bradford with a high Muslim population and there is hardly any conflict there between Muslims and whites. The media would go mental at the Police in Britain if we banned a Muslim gathering and say it is completely un-politicly correct. Senior Police officers would be under a lot of pressure from Newspapers such as the Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Telegraph. But it seems to be a different story in Serbia.

Tunxh

pre 17 godina

This is discrimination against Muslims. They are being denied the equal protection of the laws, and are being deprived of their fundamental right to gather and petition. This is a disgrace for Serbia, which behaves towards Muslims in a xenophobic manner.

Sebastian

pre 17 godina

The secret police have been formenting trouble in Sandzak for sometime.
They are supporting Zilkic in the hope of splitting Islamic community in two. A very obvious Stalinesque ploy which we in the West see for what it is.

Ian, UK

pre 17 godina

@ Mice C

MiceYusuf al-Qaradawi was banned from the UK because he promoted Racial Hate. Our Freedom of Speech law says you can say what you want as long as you don't promote racial hate.

Head veils, they are worn by some muslim women, but it is not a religious belief as such. If you look at Video footage from 1890's Morocco, Egypt, Arabia ect you will see that no women wear head veils. My father is manager of an A&E in the local hospital, he says that they are not allowed to wear them because head veils are not as practical for communication and that is before we even mention hygiene. Teachers are not allowed to wear head veils in schools because they cover the mouth, and when children are learning to talk and improving their language skills, one of the ways they learn is by watching the lips and they head veil blocks that.

I think one of the reasons for these so called "terrorist cells" in the UK is for reasons such as the war in Iraq ans Afghanistan. Besides there is hardly an of these cells. 99.9% of muslims in the UK don't care about radical Islam, they just want to get on with their lives ect.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK = yeah right!

Obviously you are just trying to spread anti-Serb propaganda. Blaming Serbs for a conflict between muslims just shows how low you albanians can go to discredit Serbia in your bid to get independence. The world bought your lies once but never again.

Dim Tuc

pre 17 godina

Ian: “There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia”

Increasing? I presume Ian is referring to a period around 20-25 years ago when it was indeed increasing really wildly (and yes, I was in Serbia for extended periods around that time), and this was then sustained throughout the 1990s, with horrific results. Having said that, I doubt that, in fairness, there is any “increase” today, more likely it has been tempered somewhat since 2000 (despite some of the ravings in these comments at times), and it seems unlikely to be related to this event, which appears more a stupid overreaction to local politics.

Szemi: “Sometimes before writing such nonsense comments try watching some islam tv chanels and their opinion .Most of them consider albanians and bosniaks puppets of US israeli lobby”

I suggest szemi is making this up. To some extent it may be true of attitudes towards the Albanians since 1999, as a result of reacting against US intervention, given active US hostility to Islamic, Arab and especially Palestinian concerns. However, it is utterly untrue regarding the Bosniaks. The feeling throughout the muslim world is that that the bosniaks were left out to the slaughter for years in the heart of Europe, the west cutting up their country to please serb and croat nationalists, embargoing arms while they were under attack by one of the largest armies in Europe, even wining and dining with mladic up till the day they let him walk into Srebrenica and slaughter 8500 muslims, despite NATO’s thousands of troops crawling all over bosnia doing, well, nothing very much and getting cash for it, till Milosevic became a partner at Dayton to split their country in half. And of course they are right.

Goran.

pre 17 godina

And so they should block it, good on them.

These factions are that idiotic that they don't even realise that the only thing they have different between them is the 'in' and 'of', and they have to go around fighting and shooting each other.

Why should we allow the meeting when we know there will be violence?...we don't need that on our streets.

Mr. David J. Jones

pre 17 godina

Ian,

You really are clueless to how life is in Serbia. If you had spent a bit of time there and read some history you would probably have a 25% of understanding.

The region in which the demo is planned has had a considerable amount of violence in recent months. Not between Christian and Muslim religions but between Muslims themselves. So before you open your mouth and embarass yourself (again and again) please research your topic.

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK

So, Serbia is undemocratic for not allowing a fundamentalist muslim gathering? Well, if the UK is so noble and democratic why did they ban the muslim extremist Yusuf al-Qaradawi from entering the country?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/07/religion.politics

If the UK is so democratic and sensitive to other religions why did they ban muslim medical students to wear vails?
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16302/the-veil-is-banned-in-uk-hospitals

If the muslims are treated so well in Britain how come there are so many terrorist cells in the country? We witnessed what they were capable of a couple of years ago.

Can you answer that "Ian"?

Peter Sudyka

pre 17 godina

IanUK

And I suppose that Muslims are glorified across "the West". It's enough you talk to some of the general local population to get an idea of how Muslims are thought of, the views of the governments and the rights they enforce are not necessarily representative of that of the average person.

Milan

pre 17 godina

Ian, UK,

You guys are trying to be so politically correct after making a mess around the world for a long long time. It is the price you are now paying for having overseas colonies. The fact of the matter is that the media in the UK (like a lot of Brits) is probably scared to death of Muslims and other minorities that have become majorities in many places. Besides some things like sport and financial business you Brits are not particularly in control of your own country. The fact that your can post your irresponsible comments on this Serbian site shows that it is not as bad a you claim it is. No matter what, with people like you one can never win. Just worry about the problems in your own country and keep your nose out of ours.

malcolm x

pre 17 godina

don't pay much attention to what ian is saying. the uk regularly bans people from entering its territory "for security reasons" be it reggae and hip hop artists or controversial clerics and politicians. plus it is obvious that this is about politics and not about religion, so saying that this is about religious freedom is nonsense. it is also not comparable to fights between whites and muslims in the uk because this is a fight between muslims themselves.

and it would be wrong to suggest that there is no islamophobia in the west, unfortunately.

iseult henry

pre 17 godina

I'm from a city called Bradford with a high Muslim population and there is hardly any conflict there between Muslims and whites.

Ian , the reason there is no conflict between muslims and "whites" in Bradford is that there are hardly any "whites" left in Bradford.

szemi

pre 17 godina

Ian , UK

Sometimes before writing such nonsense comments try watching some islam tv chanels and their opinion .Most of them consider albanians and bosniaks puppets of US israeli lobby(of course except for those which themselves are occupied by US such as Iraq and Afganistan or are also puppets such as Saudi Arabian elite).

dave(UK)

pre 17 godina

Ian UK sorry mate you must live in a different UK to me, The papers you mention would put the slant of Muslim extremist clerics hold demo. As for no trouble i lived in Telford for many years and there was tension between non muslims and Muslims, some went by the name the muslim warriors, we had groups waving banners after 9/11.

As for the Muslim gathering in Serbia i can not comment as i know nothing about it.

Ian the other point on Kosovo, it belongs to Serbia, The west backed terrorists (KLA) which are no different to Hamas or closer to home the Real IRA.

And before you mention alleged crimes in Kosovo don't forget the KLA attacked the Serbs first again using terrorist bombs.

and finally yes i am English and yes i support Serbia on Kosovo and no we should not have bombed Serbia.

Niall

pre 17 godina

What happened to freedom of religion in Serbia?

Hopefully Muslim nations will look at this incident whilst deciding their final position on Kosovo. There seems to be an increasing amount of Islamophobia coming from Serbia. This is a bad day for Democracy in Serbia.
(Ian, UK, 18 May 2009 12:56)

Ian let me clear up a few things with you.

Serbia's Muslims, Catholics, Protestants and Jews have freedom of worship and do not experience any form of harrassment. They are free to worship in the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues and worship who they like.

Have you ever been to Serbia to see for yourself the co -existence between various religions. Its a model that the UK could certainly look at. I suggest you take a trip to Belgrade, Novi Sad, Subotica, Nis and Novi Pazar and see for yourself. Or how about hop on the bus and journey through the many ethnic Czech, Slovak and Hungarian villages & towns and see Lutheran and Catholic churches standing side by side. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Now about the Sandzak...if you did a bit of research you will see that there has been disturbances in the region as there is a power battle between radical Saudi Arabian inspired Wahabbi Islamists and secular Muslims who pledge allegiance to Belgrade. Last year 2 suspected members of Al-Queada were shot dead by police in a shoot out after a tip off that local militants were planning on waging an armed Islamic insurrection. A number of arrests were made and a considerable amount of arms were found. The place has been edgy and there have been frequent clashes and shootings either outside the Mosques after Friday Prayer or in isolated incidents. See the recent shooting of the IZS official.

Given the volatile situation, Belgrade on very good advice from the local authorities in Novi Pazar have banned the upcoming rival rallies for fear of further violence and bloodshed. The Serbian authorities first duty is to uphold law & order and the safety of its citizens.

I think Ian given the circumstances and the current tense situation in the Sandzak, it couldnt hardly constitute oppression of the Bosniak minority now would it.

Remember if the police dont grasp what is happening now, Serbia could very well be facing a full scale radical Islamic insurgency. (All you need is for the Wahhabis to out-muscle the secularists). Now nobody wants that.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 17 godina

"The Islamic Community of Serbia is led by Adem Zilkić, while Muamer Zukorlić is at the helm of the Islamic Community in Serbia."

This dispute has a distinct echo of the Monthy Python Life of Brian skit, Peoples Front of Judea v the Judean Peoples Front.

This would be hilarious if it wasnt so deadly serious.

Ranko

pre 17 godina

Ian UK

What planet are you from theres no trouble between whites and asian muslims??? What was Bradford riots??? Im Serb/English from Halifax and i know for a fact there is always trouble between Asian Muslims not only with white non muslims but other ethnic groups like Sikhs, Hindus and even Bosnians who live near Bradford and did i forget to mention other asian muslims just like Sandzak where its Muslim vs Muslim.

BalkanUpdate

pre 17 godina

No, I do not blame Serbia for stopping this so called gathering. The leaders of the Islamic community in Serbia have shown themselves to be incompetent and unworthy of any kind of following. This conflict between these factions has been going for a long time now and it is nothing more than powerplay by these two leaders. They are only harming the people they purport to lead. Total disgrace!

Niall O'Doherty

pre 17 godina

The secret police have been formenting trouble in Sandzak for sometime.
They are supporting Zilkic in the hope of splitting Islamic community in two. A very obvious Stalinesque ploy which we in the West see for what it is.
(Sebastian, 18 May 2009 17:21)

Really, have you any proof of that.

I tell you what I see, Saudi Arabian influenced Wahabbis from Bosnia have infiltrated Serbia's Bosniak population who are a majority in the Sandzak region in a bid to destabalise Serbia and impose Sharia Law in the region.

Dont be surprised if the West is in some way encouraging this from the sidelines. Remember what the German ambassador to Belgrade said last year.

Here's a reminder of what he said - http://grayfalcon.blogspot.com/2007/04/zobel-raus.html

MikeC

pre 17 godina

Ian

So what's wrong with preventive measures from the Serbian authorities? Before you point a finger at others you should take a look at your own country and your closest allies. "The pillar of democracy", the US, is free to torture muslims in the name of democracy. If you can't guarantee the safety of your citizens then taking actions like these are not wrong. I live in Malmoe, Sweden and recently the police prevented a peacefull demonstration by the Jewish community because their safety could not be guaranteed. There was violent oposition from the many muslims in Malmo and to prevent an outbreak of violence the gathering was canceled by the authorities. Serbia is far from perfect but it has, with a few exceptions, had great cooperation with muslims within Serbia as well as abroad.

Dave

pre 17 godina

Ian - you are so far off the mark here that I hope it's due to ignorance rather than mischief-making. I therefore suggest you look back at some of the stories in B92's "Unrest in Sandzak" archive, where you will see that what is happening is a turf war amongst Bosniak political factions at which Belgrade - not to mention Sandzak's Orthodox population - can only look on in dismay. There is not a hint of religious repression or islamophobia in this situation.

Jovan Z

pre 17 godina

Amazing one or two pure ignorant comments sends a slew of responses.What does Srbija have to prove to Ian and the UK? Please his comments do not need a response. They need to do the explaining Abu Grhaib,water boarding,the daily bombing of innocent life in Afghanistan and the daily Predator attacks in Pakistan.

David

pre 17 godina

What kind of rights to Islamic countries afford their own people, and those of other religions and nationalities?

Yet they go to other countries, prophesizing of their own virtues and demand rights and respect that they in turn do not provide. Sometimes you need to meet bluntness with the same to stop it.

Peggy

pre 17 godina

People, Ian has ben radicalized by one Albanian family which he said lived with them after they were expelled from Kosovo.

He said that his father is an Ambulance officer and they took this family in until they had a place to go. Beats me how they communicated because Ian claim not to have any Albanian blood in him. Perhaps a crash couse in English for this family helped.

He writes on another site constantly and is always critical of Serbs. No amount of evidence will change him as someone who has become radicalized does not change.

Amazing what one family of Albanians can do when they start with their stories.

Ian chooses to ignore the London protests where Muslims held banners with "Behead those who insult Islam" and the like. "Europe your 9/11 is coming", Hitler signs etc. were all displayed at that protest. Ian doesn't think that this is racist or radical at all because it is coming from the Muslims. But, Serbs ban something because of protecting Muslims from hurting each other and they are considered intolerant.

Ervin

pre 17 godina

I am an Albanian from Albania, and my family has a muslim background, although never really practice.

I salute Serbia on this one. Albanians have suffered a lot from the dark corners of islam, and now islam in Albania is looked down by the vast majority. I hope they do the same in Kosovo.