Still no date for EULEX deployment

More legal obstacles for EULEX. But im sure that they will deploy by the year 2050.
I would recommend shelving the EULEX deployment and favour the deployment of the Serbian National Army, as they have much more experience in these matters.

to olf:

You can forget about invading north Mitrovica with your highest birth rate in europe and terror tactics - so to drive all remaining Serbs from their holy land.

The sooner MUP and VS return to protect their holy land the better for all of Serbia.

EULEX spokesman Victor Ruter says EULEX "maintains its mandate based on a collective decision of the 27 EU member states".

Is he telling us that EULEX doesn't have to consider what UN Security Council decides?

Which floor of EULEX speaks in Ruter's words?

Ratko, my posting has nothing to do with birth rate of Serbia or Kosovo, nor that birth rate reflects terrorism.

Ratko, do you really want Serbian police and VJ return to Kosovo, the one that made K-Serbs slaughter their Albanian neighbours and at later stage deserted the very same people . Think again mate

Sooner EULEX is deployed to North of Kosova is better. This would enable K-Albanians to return to their homes after 8 years.
However, messages people get now are a bit confusing, but people are used to this kind of information so they are just having a nice laugh.

Another Canadian Serb:

great experience the serbian armed forces got in the last 10 years, maybe the great experience is the downturn of serbia. rely on force and you were forced out.

Why come to Kosovo? Tell them to go to Serbia, somewhere in Sanxhak (Sandzak), Vojvodina, or Presheva Valley and implement the 6 point plan.

Continuing my rambling about corruption, this time in the "West". It can be much worse, than in the "East" under certain circumstances.

#1: Schwechat-scandal: the Austrian gendarmerie of Schwechat watches for Hungarian drivers. It is known, Hungarians neglect the language learning so very likely the "victim" does not speak any language (besides HU). The trick: let him sign a German-language arrest paper that he resisted the police first, than impound the car till 1000 Euro is not brought in cash. If in doubt, intimidate or even beat the victim. Till 1000 Euro is not presented. The scandal became a diplomatic issue, but of course the guilty cops were never punished.

#2: just google on "new rome" - it's over now, but it was an infamous ticket mill in the States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio

I did deal twice with corrupt police in the States, both times with traffic enforcement. The first time (PA) I did not know, how to play their tricks and paid. The second time (CA) I won in the court. But the procedure will cost you much more nerves and time than 1000 Dinar ($15) even in the best case. "Canadian Serb" sure, can tell some stories about "county mounty" - and they (like CHP) are considered relatively not corrupt.

With that background, we could ask EULEX to be deployed in Ohio or Austria first, not East Europe. They are as corrupt in the West as in the East, just not as cheap.

"That means that six-point plan is a dead plan. Just a scenario at the UN to make Serbia accept EULEX. UN is fooloing Serbia like they did with res 1244."



Demi,


If that is so, and you're so clever, please tell us all, why is UNMIK deploying additional international police officers (UNMIK) to Serbian areas (Gracanica, Strpce, Mitrovica, etc) before the end of this week????

He also said that EULEX did not take part in the negotiations over UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's six-point plan, but that this mission "maintains its mandate based on a collective decision of the 27 EU member states, adopted at the beginning of February this year''


That means that six-point plan is a dead plan. Just a scenario at the UN to make Serbia accept EULEX. UN is fooloing Serbia like they did with res 1244.

Or a bad dream like Mr.Thaci mentioned it.

Again in Belgrade today. While driving, was in the car service for the regular maintenance. Why in Serbia? Because I was asked to pay 60000 Ft in Hungary ($300), including the oil. Calling the authorized dealership in Serbia they quoted me 1200 Din (without the oil) or under $20. Got 5 liter 5-30 oil for 7400 Ft in Hungary, everything was done as promised in SRB. The mechanic was ethnic HU.

While the maintenance was done on the car I got a good lession from local Hungarians and Serbs about the EU(LEX) "reality on the ground".

#1. Ethnic Hungarians in Serbia have some special "no-visa" arrangement with Hungary. But: it's only for limited number of entries. In order to have "unlimited" entry: get a Serbian passport, put 1000 Forint inside, give to HU border guards. You will receive the passport back immediately without entry stamp. But not the 1000 Ft.

#2: Ethnic SRB/SQ have two choices:

a) stay forever in the bus
b) collect 5 Euro/person. If there is visa, put 5 Euro in SRB or KS passport, get it back immediately (without 5 Euro).

#3: with KS or SRB passport, no visa: special deal, there will be more than 5 Euro. BTW: K. passport is perfectly valid in Slovakia, Romania, even Serbia Proper and Russia. It depends on the # of Euros inside of the passport. Not even visa is necessary.

I do not want to encourage anyone to break the law. But it seems for me, EULEX would have more, than enough things to do even at home (= EU) to fight the corruption. Also a proof: if a law (like visa or passport regime) is stupid, people will do everything to work around. And the car mechanic was a proof: if a price is unreasonable in one place and across the border it is, people will go and show the middle finger to what is unreasonable.

All the stories I was told by locals did confirm: EULEX is complete waste of money and time. Besides, do people have respect to authorities who collect 1000 Ft or 5 Euro?
It is absolutely in line, what Adrian from Romania wrote here. Balkan is really big, going as north as Estonia and as east as Austria. We all are not just corrupt, but also cheap. :(

Thanks for listening, it's really depressing.

BTW: was going with 60 mph instead of 60 kmh in a village. It's a US model and miles are in big and if you are tired... There was MUP with radar. I learned quickly and after pleading + showing the birthplace (Russia) inside of USA passport the 3000 Dinar became 1000 Dinar, but no receipt. :-P

Everyone is in the same boat, I guess.

Ataman thank you for your stories. It was a relief hearing about them and refreshing from the every-day bickering going on here. :)


Still I would have to disagree about the degree of corruption in the States at least. Here bribery and corruption occurs almost exclusively in the very high echelons of society, aka Enron type. Most of us won't even dare bribe a cop or a judge or something, we would be put in jail immediately.

Most of us won't even dare bribe a cop or a judge or something, we would be put in jail immediately.
(Benny, 2 December 2008 02:22)

With over 15 years experience in the States - agree on that, except that the traffic and "small claim" courts are a bit different. I.e. it's not a direct bribe, but in order to attack/defend yourself properly (small claim) or clear yourself from the charge (trivial traffic cases like the driving 60 mph in 60 km/h zone) you will essentially spend A LOT into system - and that's precisely the goal. And the system itself is pretty corrupt. Sufficient to say, out of $275 going in the "diamond lane" (typical for Bay Area) more than a half are going into some politician's pet project(s), in slang "pork". Was never affected but I read it somewhere.

The case of New Rome in Ohio was simply corruption. The case with Austrian cops is the worst because it is a fraud + extortion + (sometimes) bodily harm, not merely a bribe.

Few years ago had a corrupt cop in Milpitas, California near I-695. He was stopping everyone on "revenue assignment". I was stopped for not having lights on "after the dark". Was an easy case to defend in the court successfully. To bad, on the stamps alone I spent more than 1000 Dinars ($15). Plus lost roughly one workday to study the case and prepare the papers. And I was absolutely innocent that time. Left a very ugly aftertaste. Not much yesterday, here versus MUP I was clearly wrong.

Sooner EULEX is deployed to North of Kosova is better. This would enable K-Albanians to return to their homes after 8 years.
However, messages people get now are a bit confusing, but people are used to this kind of information so they are just having a nice laugh.

Ratko, my posting has nothing to do with birth rate of Serbia or Kosovo, nor that birth rate reflects terrorism.

Ratko, do you really want Serbian police and VJ return to Kosovo, the one that made K-Serbs slaughter their Albanian neighbours and at later stage deserted the very same people . Think again mate

Another Canadian Serb:

great experience the serbian armed forces got in the last 10 years, maybe the great experience is the downturn of serbia. rely on force and you were forced out.

to olf:

You can forget about invading north Mitrovica with your highest birth rate in europe and terror tactics - so to drive all remaining Serbs from their holy land.

The sooner MUP and VS return to protect their holy land the better for all of Serbia.

More legal obstacles for EULEX. But im sure that they will deploy by the year 2050.
I would recommend shelving the EULEX deployment and favour the deployment of the Serbian National Army, as they have much more experience in these matters.

He also said that EULEX did not take part in the negotiations over UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's six-point plan, but that this mission "maintains its mandate based on a collective decision of the 27 EU member states, adopted at the beginning of February this year''


That means that six-point plan is a dead plan. Just a scenario at the UN to make Serbia accept EULEX. UN is fooloing Serbia like they did with res 1244.

Or a bad dream like Mr.Thaci mentioned it.

Why come to Kosovo? Tell them to go to Serbia, somewhere in Sanxhak (Sandzak), Vojvodina, or Presheva Valley and implement the 6 point plan.

EULEX spokesman Victor Ruter says EULEX "maintains its mandate based on a collective decision of the 27 EU member states".

Is he telling us that EULEX doesn't have to consider what UN Security Council decides?

Which floor of EULEX speaks in Ruter's words?

"That means that six-point plan is a dead plan. Just a scenario at the UN to make Serbia accept EULEX. UN is fooloing Serbia like they did with res 1244."



Demi,


If that is so, and you're so clever, please tell us all, why is UNMIK deploying additional international police officers (UNMIK) to Serbian areas (Gracanica, Strpce, Mitrovica, etc) before the end of this week????

Again in Belgrade today. While driving, was in the car service for the regular maintenance. Why in Serbia? Because I was asked to pay 60000 Ft in Hungary ($300), including the oil. Calling the authorized dealership in Serbia they quoted me 1200 Din (without the oil) or under $20. Got 5 liter 5-30 oil for 7400 Ft in Hungary, everything was done as promised in SRB. The mechanic was ethnic HU.

While the maintenance was done on the car I got a good lession from local Hungarians and Serbs about the EU(LEX) "reality on the ground".

#1. Ethnic Hungarians in Serbia have some special "no-visa" arrangement with Hungary. But: it's only for limited number of entries. In order to have "unlimited" entry: get a Serbian passport, put 1000 Forint inside, give to HU border guards. You will receive the passport back immediately without entry stamp. But not the 1000 Ft.

#2: Ethnic SRB/SQ have two choices:

a) stay forever in the bus
b) collect 5 Euro/person. If there is visa, put 5 Euro in SRB or KS passport, get it back immediately (without 5 Euro).

#3: with KS or SRB passport, no visa: special deal, there will be more than 5 Euro. BTW: K. passport is perfectly valid in Slovakia, Romania, even Serbia Proper and Russia. It depends on the # of Euros inside of the passport. Not even visa is necessary.

I do not want to encourage anyone to break the law. But it seems for me, EULEX would have more, than enough things to do even at home (= EU) to fight the corruption. Also a proof: if a law (like visa or passport regime) is stupid, people will do everything to work around. And the car mechanic was a proof: if a price is unreasonable in one place and across the border it is, people will go and show the middle finger to what is unreasonable.

All the stories I was told by locals did confirm: EULEX is complete waste of money and time. Besides, do people have respect to authorities who collect 1000 Ft or 5 Euro?
It is absolutely in line, what Adrian from Romania wrote here. Balkan is really big, going as north as Estonia and as east as Austria. We all are not just corrupt, but also cheap. :(

Thanks for listening, it's really depressing.

BTW: was going with 60 mph instead of 60 kmh in a village. It's a US model and miles are in big and if you are tired... There was MUP with radar. I learned quickly and after pleading + showing the birthplace (Russia) inside of USA passport the 3000 Dinar became 1000 Dinar, but no receipt. :-P

Everyone is in the same boat, I guess.

Continuing my rambling about corruption, this time in the "West". It can be much worse, than in the "East" under certain circumstances.

#1: Schwechat-scandal: the Austrian gendarmerie of Schwechat watches for Hungarian drivers. It is known, Hungarians neglect the language learning so very likely the "victim" does not speak any language (besides HU). The trick: let him sign a German-language arrest paper that he resisted the police first, than impound the car till 1000 Euro is not brought in cash. If in doubt, intimidate or even beat the victim. Till 1000 Euro is not presented. The scandal became a diplomatic issue, but of course the guilty cops were never punished.

#2: just google on "new rome" - it's over now, but it was an infamous ticket mill in the States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rome,_Ohio

I did deal twice with corrupt police in the States, both times with traffic enforcement. The first time (PA) I did not know, how to play their tricks and paid. The second time (CA) I won in the court. But the procedure will cost you much more nerves and time than 1000 Dinar ($15) even in the best case. "Canadian Serb" sure, can tell some stories about "county mounty" - and they (like CHP) are considered relatively not corrupt.

With that background, we could ask EULEX to be deployed in Ohio or Austria first, not East Europe. They are as corrupt in the West as in the East, just not as cheap.

Ataman thank you for your stories. It was a relief hearing about them and refreshing from the every-day bickering going on here. :)


Still I would have to disagree about the degree of corruption in the States at least. Here bribery and corruption occurs almost exclusively in the very high echelons of society, aka Enron type. Most of us won't even dare bribe a cop or a judge or something, we would be put in jail immediately.

Most of us won't even dare bribe a cop or a judge or something, we would be put in jail immediately.
(Benny, 2 December 2008 02:22)

With over 15 years experience in the States - agree on that, except that the traffic and "small claim" courts are a bit different. I.e. it's not a direct bribe, but in order to attack/defend yourself properly (small claim) or clear yourself from the charge (trivial traffic cases like the driving 60 mph in 60 km/h zone) you will essentially spend A LOT into system - and that's precisely the goal. And the system itself is pretty corrupt. Sufficient to say, out of $275 going in the "diamond lane" (typical for Bay Area) more than a half are going into some politician's pet project(s), in slang "pork". Was never affected but I read it somewhere.

The case of New Rome in Ohio was simply corruption. The case with Austrian cops is the worst because it is a fraud + extortion + (sometimes) bodily harm, not merely a bribe.

Few years ago had a corrupt cop in Milpitas, California near I-695. He was stopping everyone on "revenue assignment". I was stopped for not having lights on "after the dark". Was an easy case to defend in the court successfully. To bad, on the stamps alone I spent more than 1000 Dinars ($15). Plus lost roughly one workday to study the case and prepare the papers. And I was absolutely innocent that time. Left a very ugly aftertaste. Not much yesterday, here versus MUP I was clearly wrong.