Parliament ends session without SAA debate

OK ZK, so let us see. Largely men brought up in the same communicstic system. They are attracted to politics, a safe job in Serbia, which a lot of luxuries and power attached.

One group of men belonging to one party are dishonest, the other are honest patriots, who care about issues and not the benefits.

You like fairy stories?

bganon, I personally don't believe Kosovo is worth EU membership but it's obvious your side does.

When all EU members have backed the EU mission and through the ratification of the SAA (which is likely to happen), I can't see any other way it can be interpreted other than giving the green light to a mission that intends to implement the Attisari plan - or in another word - independence.

But why should anyone be surprised when the invisible people behind the DS are the architects of independence? The same people who bombed Serbia and put it under extreme pressure.

I can smell the politiking from here...
DS and partners don't consult the opposition on Kosovo Bill, perhaps deliberately. SRS and DSS vote against the Bill, perhaps deliberately (not because they disagree but because they were not consulted and know what will happen next). Then the Bill gets relegated down the agenda, perhaps planned deliberately.

Perhaps all parliamentary parties knew this was going to happen.

The point is that all this blatent politiking ensures that unity of Kosovo is missing. In other words it seems to me that all parties have an interest in losing Kosovo. The opposition, so that it can blame the government and the government so it can focus on other issues.

But I suppose people here will tell me now that certain politicians really do care about Kosovo. I actually think that a majority in each party does not care, whilst the minority in each party does not know what to do on the issue. And I'd suggest that those that believe the politicians should think twice. They are known to lie...

bganon, the only people who really care for Kosovo and are prepared to protect it with appropriate action are in opposition.

As for ratifying the SAA, I still believe there is a chance it will be interpreted as the green light for the EU mission.

Let see what happens.

Quite often we have said perhaps a little sarcastics, that Kostunica is doing the best service to K-Albanians. Then the choir of radicals have repeated unanimously: "If K-Albanians don't like Kostunica then he must be doing the right thing".

Now I look at the current Serbian government, (the previous one brought down by Kostunica himself) and I think that this government has the best of both worlds for K-Albanians.

It has a majority DS that sooner or later will bound to the reality and will stop fighting with wind mills. It will cooperate with EU on the real economical issues slowly opening the door to Kosova's statehood recognition.

From the other side you have SPS, within the same government, that still longs for Mr. Milosevic, showing to international community that in reality Serbia hasn't changed much. Essentially making sure to anyone that independence is once more the only solution to the conflict.
Allow me to thank Mr. Kostunica once again for the great service to Kosova's cause.
"Thank you Mr. Kostunica for you blindness!"

ZK I'd say you sound confused on whether you think signing the SAA is recognition of Kosovo or not. Its high time you made your mind up rather than making a radical statement in one moment then backtracking in the next.

Let me re-state my position - which has remained unchanged, signing of the SAA is not recognition of Kosovo. The only recognition of Kosovo is if the Serbian government recognises Kosovo - like it says on the tin, so to speak. That will not happen, not in our lifetime at least.

The thing about invisible people. Quite obvious really, how come you are sure that they are there if you can't see invisible people?

I mean I can invent invisible people too, somebody from hell for example, who is advising members of the ultra right to do evil. I could even produce the bible to provide evidence of the traditional sins of the extreme right wingers. Pride and wrath (particularly popular among the right). Wow thats got to be proof!

Thats it I found the invisible hand of the devil ordering the right wing in Serbia to lead Serbian citizens to destruction!

bganon,

It seems that everyone who does not share your opinion is radical or makes radical statements. So typical for yellow brigade!

What this has to do with Kosovo status?!?!?!

bganon, you don't need to see the people to detect them working behind the scenes. I have explained my position on the SAA many times and to me it equates to selling out Kosovo.

As for your obsession with the right, I actually tend to lean towards the left but that doesn't mean I shouldn't love my people and country.

Lets just agree to disagree as I feel you still have some way to go and have a few chips on your shoulder.

I know that Serbian politics is confused, but I'm not sure how you can claim to be on the left and support DSS and SRS so strongly. You do not welcome policies that are traditionally enjoyed by the left - such as increased pensions or increased public spending, or mention taxation policy at all. I don't know why your abandon your 'left' luggage when speaking about Serbia, or you are seemingly unable to welcome any centerist / left wing policies adopted in Serbia by non SRS/DSS parties. Can you find it within your self to compliment LDP for example for being the only party to press for an enquiry into the monopolist Miskovic? Surely you don't like monopolists and a great gap between the rich and poor?

I hope that after 'I've gone some way' that I don't start to see invisible people. May I in turn suggest that the events of the 90's have warped your judgement about what is good for Serbia and about hidden forces etc...

bmrusila read again 'The point is that all this blatent politiking ensures that unity of Kosovo is missing. In other words it seems to me that all parties have an interest in losing Kosovo.'.

Now does that sound to you like views typical of the yellow brigade? If it does it means that the yellows are more self critical than the rest right? I think a critical view of what one believes, as well as what one is against is a good thing. Now that (self criticism) is a handicap the extreme right is unable to get over.

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The point is that all this blatent politiking ensures that unity of Kosovo is missing. In other words it seems to me that all parties have an interest in losing Kosovo. The opposition, so that it can blame the government and the government so it can focus on other issues. "

Well said, you just stated rule 101 of politics, the rule states, "all politicians lie, steal, and cheat to get or stay in power." Neither Serbian party is going to bring Kosova back or somehow "preserve territorial integrity". A person who doesn't believe propaganda would question the government...the first question being, "why don't we send our army to Kosova to stop this criminal act of a DOI?"

ZK I'd say you sound confused on whether you think signing the SAA is recognition of Kosovo or not. Its high time you made your mind up rather than making a radical statement in one moment then backtracking in the next.

Let me re-state my position - which has remained unchanged, signing of the SAA is not recognition of Kosovo. The only recognition of Kosovo is if the Serbian government recognises Kosovo - like it says on the tin, so to speak. That will not happen, not in our lifetime at least.

The thing about invisible people. Quite obvious really, how come you are sure that they are there if you can't see invisible people?

I mean I can invent invisible people too, somebody from hell for example, who is advising members of the ultra right to do evil. I could even produce the bible to provide evidence of the traditional sins of the extreme right wingers. Pride and wrath (particularly popular among the right). Wow thats got to be proof!

Thats it I found the invisible hand of the devil ordering the right wing in Serbia to lead Serbian citizens to destruction!

I can smell the politiking from here...
DS and partners don't consult the opposition on Kosovo Bill, perhaps deliberately. SRS and DSS vote against the Bill, perhaps deliberately (not because they disagree but because they were not consulted and know what will happen next). Then the Bill gets relegated down the agenda, perhaps planned deliberately.

Perhaps all parliamentary parties knew this was going to happen.

The point is that all this blatent politiking ensures that unity of Kosovo is missing. In other words it seems to me that all parties have an interest in losing Kosovo. The opposition, so that it can blame the government and the government so it can focus on other issues.

But I suppose people here will tell me now that certain politicians really do care about Kosovo. I actually think that a majority in each party does not care, whilst the minority in each party does not know what to do on the issue. And I'd suggest that those that believe the politicians should think twice. They are known to lie...

OK ZK, so let us see. Largely men brought up in the same communicstic system. They are attracted to politics, a safe job in Serbia, which a lot of luxuries and power attached.

One group of men belonging to one party are dishonest, the other are honest patriots, who care about issues and not the benefits.

You like fairy stories?

Quite often we have said perhaps a little sarcastics, that Kostunica is doing the best service to K-Albanians. Then the choir of radicals have repeated unanimously: "If K-Albanians don't like Kostunica then he must be doing the right thing".

Now I look at the current Serbian government, (the previous one brought down by Kostunica himself) and I think that this government has the best of both worlds for K-Albanians.

It has a majority DS that sooner or later will bound to the reality and will stop fighting with wind mills. It will cooperate with EU on the real economical issues slowly opening the door to Kosova's statehood recognition.

From the other side you have SPS, within the same government, that still longs for Mr. Milosevic, showing to international community that in reality Serbia hasn't changed much. Essentially making sure to anyone that independence is once more the only solution to the conflict.
Allow me to thank Mr. Kostunica once again for the great service to Kosova's cause.
"Thank you Mr. Kostunica for you blindness!"

bganon, the only people who really care for Kosovo and are prepared to protect it with appropriate action are in opposition.

As for ratifying the SAA, I still believe there is a chance it will be interpreted as the green light for the EU mission.

Let see what happens.

bganon, I personally don't believe Kosovo is worth EU membership but it's obvious your side does.

When all EU members have backed the EU mission and through the ratification of the SAA (which is likely to happen), I can't see any other way it can be interpreted other than giving the green light to a mission that intends to implement the Attisari plan - or in another word - independence.

But why should anyone be surprised when the invisible people behind the DS are the architects of independence? The same people who bombed Serbia and put it under extreme pressure.

What this has to do with Kosovo status?!?!?!

bganon,

It seems that everyone who does not share your opinion is radical or makes radical statements. So typical for yellow brigade!

bganon, you don't need to see the people to detect them working behind the scenes. I have explained my position on the SAA many times and to me it equates to selling out Kosovo.

As for your obsession with the right, I actually tend to lean towards the left but that doesn't mean I shouldn't love my people and country.

Lets just agree to disagree as I feel you still have some way to go and have a few chips on your shoulder.

"
The point is that all this blatent politiking ensures that unity of Kosovo is missing. In other words it seems to me that all parties have an interest in losing Kosovo. The opposition, so that it can blame the government and the government so it can focus on other issues. "

Well said, you just stated rule 101 of politics, the rule states, "all politicians lie, steal, and cheat to get or stay in power." Neither Serbian party is going to bring Kosova back or somehow "preserve territorial integrity". A person who doesn't believe propaganda would question the government...the first question being, "why don't we send our army to Kosova to stop this criminal act of a DOI?"

I know that Serbian politics is confused, but I'm not sure how you can claim to be on the left and support DSS and SRS so strongly. You do not welcome policies that are traditionally enjoyed by the left - such as increased pensions or increased public spending, or mention taxation policy at all. I don't know why your abandon your 'left' luggage when speaking about Serbia, or you are seemingly unable to welcome any centerist / left wing policies adopted in Serbia by non SRS/DSS parties. Can you find it within your self to compliment LDP for example for being the only party to press for an enquiry into the monopolist Miskovic? Surely you don't like monopolists and a great gap between the rich and poor?

I hope that after 'I've gone some way' that I don't start to see invisible people. May I in turn suggest that the events of the 90's have warped your judgement about what is good for Serbia and about hidden forces etc...

bmrusila read again 'The point is that all this blatent politiking ensures that unity of Kosovo is missing. In other words it seems to me that all parties have an interest in losing Kosovo.'.

Now does that sound to you like views typical of the yellow brigade? If it does it means that the yellows are more self critical than the rest right? I think a critical view of what one believes, as well as what one is against is a good thing. Now that (self criticism) is a handicap the extreme right is unable to get over.