EU, UN deadlocked over Kosovo

Reading this article, I was somehow reminded of another article I read on BBC a few weeks ago of a python that tried to eat an alligator and exploded in the process (pictures and all were provided). I don't exactly know whether the python ate an alligator or a crocodile, but the point of this silly allegory is that the python clearly bit off more than it could literally swallow and in the end ruptured its entire body.

So too do I see this ridiculous attempt at enforcing a faulty and highly controversial EU policy over all of Kosovo Province, which will only cause bigger problems than now and rupture the entire mission (with pictures to follow too).

Lesson for future pythons and EUrocrats: eat what you can take and in smaller doses. The Albanians want EULEX; Serbs want UNMIK. So play it smart: establish EULEX in Albanian sectors and keep UNMIK in those areas where Serbs voted for representatives in local elections two weeks ago. This way, the EU has an easier way of setting up institutions with people who want to work with them. Serbs can stay on the sidelines and watch. If Albnanian sectors live long and prosper, they can say "I want in on this too" and suddenly we have that unified land everyone's talking about. And if it just collapses under the weight of its own bureaucracy, Serbs can remain largely untouched.

If they don't want to show any further that Kosovo is little more than a glofified colony, the EU is going to have to figure out how to operate under and within UNMIK. That's the bottom line and I think a more limited scope of EULEX is appropriate. It's time for Condi, Feith, and other heads stuck in the sand to realize Kosovo was partitioned a nanosecond after Pristina's declaration, and was solidified with the Serbian elections.

Take what you know you can work with and save yourself the headache. There are obstacles at all levels, in Kosovo, in the EU, in the UN, and in the world.

Kosovo-is Serbia!

Oh dear, it looks like this EU mission is just another one of those dud deals. It is obvious the US cannot deliver its promise.

Furthermore, it is completely delusional of the Albanians to believe they can have authority over the whole of Kosovo. The defacto partition remains and if the Albanians want to believe that "Kosova" is independent, then so be it. However, they must understand that Serbia and the Serbians will have none of this fairy tale.

A strong Russia and China will ensure it does not get through the UN and fortunately the EU still have some law abiding members blocking it there.

The Serbian offer of more than autonomy but less than independence seems to be self-fulfilling. The Albanians rule themselves in this make believe "Kosova" while the Serbians, backed by international law and the overwhelming majority of the world, also rule themselves within the Serbian province.

So the sooner the partition and technical agreement are finalised, the sooner we can all move on from this mess. However, as usual, the US/Albanians must first remove themselves from denial and come back to reality.

Kosovo can only be independent when Serbia says it is - until then there is no certainty for the future. Russia and China have suggested negotiation.

In the meantime, the UN has not changed its own resolution and the EU has really shown bumbling incompetence.

NATO (in other words the US) want to be seen as a conquering power. The days of empire are back - the 'dowager empress' has spoken but the natives are ignoring her.

If US, UK & EU forced EULEX to be deploy in the south serbian province of kosovo without UNSC approval then thye totally disrespect international law and the authority of the UN itself. thus it will caused more tensions between the west and the east. These 41 dumb nations who recognized kosovo should not forced the issue and respect the UNMIK & 1244

what a shameful and miserable this 'deadlock' is for the European politics.

And the whole world is witnessing European (or should I say EU) agonizing over how to deal with the fact that they were pushed into this by USA, and their allies.

I saw this interview on 'Hard Talk' on BBC with a former ambassador of Singapor in USA
who said that Asian nations follow the issue of Kosovo and came to the conclusion that EU is one of the most immature political entities in the world.

There is no grace and wisdom in European politics. They behave like a bunch of naughty infants poking fingers in each other's eyes.

Kosovo 'Independence' is their playground.

this so called "big dictatorial western powers" always like to impose their power in any place in the world disrespecting international world order. they easily get into a messy situation but due to their illegal actions, they have a hard time sorting it out in the end. examples are iraq and afghanistan now kosovo. beware that WWI and WWII started in the balkans and germany. hope it wont be a deja vu of sorts.

The whole WORLD should see how these 41 gangster nations lead by the US will do on june 15, 2008 whether they will force EULEX to land in kosovo serbia even without a UN AUTHORIZATION. if they do then other nations should now think that this is a part of this so called NEW WORLD ORDER BY BUSH that even international law and the UN are now considered OBSOLETE. Wake up people of the world!!

Hi Al

My experience of Kosovo is of Serbs who were driven out by Albanians long before Milosevic came on the scene. These are decent people who feel very deeply hurt by the way they were pressured and forced out. I agree that the Albanians in Kosovo should have strong autonomy, but I do not believe it is right to reward their ethnic cleansing of Serbs by allowing the UDI.

Serbia may have had its moral authority undermined by Milosevic's policies, but that does not mean that the territory is no longer part of Serbia. Those are separate issues.
You don't have to be a nationalist to believe the Kosovo should remain as part of Serbia. Be clear - there is no guarantee of permanence for the UDI.

Personally I have always detested the policies of violence - from both sides.

The mono-ethnic ambitions of the Albanians living in Kosovo should not be rewarded.

There seems to be a lack of Albanian posters on this thread.

I wonder why???????

Maybe they see the writing on the wall for the illegal acts.

>> There seems to be a lack of Albanian posters on this thread. I wonder why???????

Here's an Albanian poster!Who cares if it's UN, Eulex, FxDex or whatever. Serbia no longer rules and US /EU will stick in the region. All the legalities are a formality. When they bombed you you said it was illegal. They still bombed you and Russia did nothing.

>> Kosovo can only be independent when Serbia says it is - until then there is no certainty for the future. Russia and China have suggested negotiation.

Serbia will soon agree to this. Look at your unemployment and economy. Albania will soon surpass you. Guess what? If you want visas and investments, you must sign at the dotted line. The "we'll eat grass" is an obvious lie, just look at the pro-western vote just a few weeks ago. Young Serbs want jobs, they don't care about Prince Lazar and 1389 to the point of starving or fighting for it. Until this is sorted out, Serbia will suffer much more than Albanians. Worst case--and I said worst case--you will get the North and we will get Presevo valley and related Albanian area. The minerals $$ in North can be split someway.

The world's most powerful nations (7 out out 7 in G7 too) have recognized Kosova, so who cares if Mali or Venezuela say no?
Serbia lost it's moral authority to rule based on what they did to their citizens. If you look, the Radicals and Slobo's party are still extremely popular so no sane person can agree to have Serbs rule Albanians in any way. Can you imagine an Albanian PM or minister in a Serbian Government? Only a full separation and arming of K-Albanians can be a long term solution.

Al,

What color is the sky in your world?

So you advocate that splitting Kosovo is acceptable only if Serbia relinguishes the Presevo Valley. Serbia gets Northern Kosovo but loses Southern Kosovo and Presevo Valley. . .then has to split the mining revenues in Northern Kosovo with the Albanians??

Wow. . .what a great deal for the Serbs!?! (please note the heavy sarcasm)

Oh, oh. . .another lecture on moral authority from the Albanians.

So Albanians can convert to islam under the Turks to oppress the Serbs, adopt fascism under the nazis to massacre more Serbs, conduct terror campaigns against Serbs from 1970's-1998 and butcher and ethnically-cleanse thousands of other Serbs in 2000-2008 and this gives them the right to rule Kosovo?

Quit coming to Serbian forums and spreading lies and falsehoods.

All silence from exciting Kosovo(a)" camp - Joe and Co.
I don't see any tnank you EU and cowboys- Good bless no law and immorality or so,,,,

Real Canadian,

I agree with you that serbia has bad politics during the 90's but are you aware that milosevic is gone / dead?? the people of serbia should not be subject of collective punishment due to crimes committed by their past leaders. by taking away kosovo which is the country' cradle as sample by the west is unwise and unfair. would you be happy if some nations take away "Quebec" for the same reason of bad politics??

we (that is, kosovo/a) will never be ruled by serbia again. never!

roberto, frisco
(roberto, 26 May 2008 09:27)
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Don't worry roberto, Serbia has absolutely no desire to rule the Albanians. The offer of self-rule is still on the table should you ever decide for the US to stop baby-sitting you.

But just remember that the Albanians can never rule the Serbians either.

@roberto:

your Serbia-will-never-rule-again-optimism is quite funny, though!

you know, ...you will probably be witness to changes in southern europe that will leave you very disappointed, some day.

let´s see whether you will still sit in san francisco or whatever and whine about it...

or whether you will be capable of reading the signs and adjust to the changes...

"These 41 dumb nations who recognized kosovo should not forced the issue and respect the UNMIK & 1244
(Jevic, 25 May 2008 15:42)"

hey Jevic, please don´t talk bad about whole nations!

it´s only the administrations of some countries and first and foremost the USA. but that doesn´t mean they are all bad, since I can assure you a lot of US-americans WHO CARE AT ALL about foreign policy ...are all against this pseudo-puppet entity which the k-albanians are calling a "state"!

so, don´t be unfair! and by the way: there is no reason to be angry, since it´s only 40 countries... they will not succeed! the majority of the world has realized what it is all about and those "waves" the k-albanians are not getting tired to announce will very very likely never arrive...

so, keep cool! Time is on the side of the civilized world, of the law, moral and justice and to make it definitely clear even to our brick-faced albanian friends: time is on Serbia´s side!

NATO (in other words the US) want to be seen as a conquering power. The days of empire are back - the 'dowager empress' has spoken but the natives are ignoring her.
(Bob, 25 May 2008 14:47)

You just mentioned that Kosova will be independent when some one else will decide about that (Serbia in your oppinion) and in the same moment you blame others for concurring powers and backwardness- hmmm slightly confused I guess... ;)

Kosova is free proud and independent becaouse kosovars want that- you know the etimology of the word DEMOCRACY

there are so many things that i find offensive about the extreme nationalists: among them are their mean-spiritedness, their violence, and their vindictiveness. it comes out, every day, right on these pages, every single day! and yet, somehow, they are expecting the Albanians to suddeny come to the realization: oh my god, we were wrong about everything -- we don't want to be an eu/american "colony" -- we just want to be ruled by serbia again!

i mean just read b92 for 1 week, and no one in their right mind would want to be ruled by serbia, whether it is ds-dss-ldp, or srs-dss... i just can't do any more acronyms, i'm all acronymed out.

we (that is, kosovo/a) will never be ruled by serbia again. never! it is lost forever, thank god! lost to that particular misery. let's move forward and spend more than one nanosecond thinking about one of those million problems we are faced with and how we might deal with it, like global warming, global poverty, war, disease... and let up with your threats of another war and another century of misery...

roberto, frisco

These 41 dumb nations who recognized kosovo should not forced the issue and respect the UNMIK & 1244
(Jevic, 25 May 2008 15:42)
The whole WORLD should see how these 41 gangster nations lead by the US will do on june 15, 2008
(PRO-Serb ME, 25 May 2008 20:01)

Gangsters what els are you going to call People who do not agree with you? Self-righteousness is not the way to play this. Politics of the 90s are the reason you are in this mess and you played your cards very wrong. Anyways without these Dumb nations where would you be?
As for the article UNMIK and EULEX might not agree how to proceed but this is small potato because none of them are disputing Kosov/os/a Independence(Status Neutral might be their official position)

Jovan,
good luck with your 'inat' mode, most Serbs will not join you. Believe or not, we have been around this area (Balkans) for a lot longer than you and have
survived all the empires (and wannabe "empires") alone--as Albanians and still have our language. Regarding being backward: Who killed "Turks"
by the 1000's to revenge Lazar's 1389 loss and who introduced concentration camps in 1990's? On women, read around a
bit...Serbia is no women paradise either. The Kanun was written in 1450's and those practices existed for 100's of
years before that so you get an idea.

You forgot that Albania has oil and a 300 mile beautiful coastline. You have more industry...thanks to Tito, whereas we suffered under real Communism,
but we will catch up. Investments are pouring in and Albania will join NATO in a year.
Mess with Kosova then: Gjergj Kastrioti vs. Prince Lazar. Who would win with equal weapons;) ???

This is political maneuvering. Some of the EU powers themselves are delaying this mission for facts known to many; i.e. helping Serbia to choose a pro-EU government. If the Radicals had formed a government by know, EULEX would be deploying much faster. Not that the obstacles by Russia should be taken lightly, but in this area they truly can be overcome, otherwise Ban could see his whole UN destroyed with no money coming in for all of his missions worldwide.

>> So Albanians can convert to Islam under the Turks to oppress the Serbs, adopt fascism under the nazis to massacre more Serbs, conduct terror campaigns against Serbs from 1970's-1998 and butcher and ethnically-cleanse thousands of other Serbs in 2000-2008 and this gives them the right to rule Kosovo?

you need to read NON-Serbian history books. Those "genocide" claims against Serbs in the 80's were lies to revoke Kosovo's autonomy. The crime was lower in Kosovo than Serbia and only ONE rape in the year this was publicized.

You were VASSALS under the Turks (Prince Marko???). You fought for the Sultan and terrorized plenty of other Christians so don't bring that up. Albanians rose against Turks much more than you, Muslim or Catholic, we hated the bastards. religion is not like yours for us, we can change it and still be Albanians. Your churches were standing till lately, minus an idiot breaking a glass here and there... where are the Cro catholic churches and Albanian historic mosques, libraries, schools, houses...

You also seem to forget the "land reform" where Serbs settlers confiscated Albanian lands and Albanians were shipped to Turkey. As far as "Albanians being Nazis": Many more Serbs fought for the Nazis than Albanians, even when adjusted for population size. Do not confuse Serbia with Yugoslavia. This appears to be a concerted effort in Serbia's part to make all others "nazis" quietly forgetting their role. Albos did target the RECENT settlers in 1940's, you would too if Croats settled in your land while you were starving.

Regarding Mitrovica vs. Presevo:

K indy is a DONE deal. US and EU and G7 will not turn back. The land belongs to the people that live in. Kosovo was first ruled by Bulgars, Byzantines for some 300 years and then Serbs ruled it for 250 years. In 1400's Turks took it for 450 years, totally separate from "Serbia" until you "liberated" with 75-80% Albanian population. Hardly a "Serbian Jerusalem," despite what you believe. If Mitrovica has 50% of the wealth but 15% of the land, why should you get it without sharing? PEOPLE OWN THE LAND. Turkey no longer owns land in Serbia nor does the Queen in US. You have to understand this. You as a Serb will get your property back in Kosovo, but not Serbia.

Regarding this being temporary: I hope Serbs realize that war is not the answer. Serbs will one day get armed but so will the Albanians--in three countries--and as long as NATO stands nothing will happen. Croatia is armed as well. No one wins from war, even if the entire west collapses and Serbia is strong.

"Had Serbs admitted, paid reparations truly chosen a different path, then we could talk."

you´re not even being asked! so, there will be no talk with you about serbian territory, my dear friend.

or, let´s keep it rational,my dear Al ( Bundy? ) ;)

I´ll be honest to you, there are in fact some poeple in Serbia, and in Europe in general, believing that you are a little bit behind in european values, like freedom of thaught, speech or even female emancipation to name only a few things...

let´s not talk about the "kanun", and other rather backwarded traditions you´re still keeping alive...

but let me assure you, most Serbs are not even really interested in you! the point is, you live on serbian territory, and because of your experiences with the Slobo-regime you shall get your autonomy, but that´s it!

as I already said it, you´re not even being asked!

unfortunately you´ve never learned to accept a good offer, you want more, and there´s a certain danger, that you might lose it all, if you do not come to reason!

as a sidenote: thanks a lot to the Albanian who was speaking about Romania in a very shameful way...

you are great, since you are perfectly helping Serbia to gain more sympathy in the fight against the greater-albanian ideology!

you have just strengthened Serbia, so THANKS A LOT!

ps: do you still believe that Kosovo will be an economical hot-spot under albanian rule? :)

I agree with you that serbia has bad politics during the 90's but are you aware that milosevic is gone / dead?? the people of serbia should not be subject of collective punishment due to crimes committed by their past leaders. by taking away kosovo which is the country' cradle as sample by the west is unwise and unfair. would you be happy if some nations take away "Quebec" for the same reason of bad politics??
(Jevic, 26 May 2008 07:32)

Jevic,

You cant even compare Quebec to Kosovo/a. I dont know if you are familiar with Canadian history but Quebec had a referendum for secession and that failed I think it was 48% for and 52% against. If it was 51% for we would be neighbors and nobody in their right mind would have sent the military in to stop the secession. Quebec has more rights than any other Province so why would they really want to secede? Now if the rest of Canada did go in and closed their schools and expelled their parents from their jobs not to mention other atrocities Serbia did in Kosovo/a what do you think their referendum results would be?
Serbia-Kosovo/a and Canada-Quebec not the same ballgame period.

>> I agree with you that serbia has bad politics during the 90's but are you aware that milosevic is gone / dead?? the people of serbia should not be subject of collective punishment due to crimes committed by their past leaders. by taking away kosovo which is the country' cradle as sample by the west is unwise and unfair. would you be happy if some nations take away "Quebec" for the same reason of bad politics??

No one is taking anything away for punishment. K-Albanians need to live in peace and security. Look at how popular Mladic, Arkan etc are in Serbia. Your Radical party's platform (most popular party) says to get rid of the Albanians entirely. Has Serbia admitted what they did other than a "Milosevic did bad things" ? Nope. Many still deny anything happened. And Milosevic had the approval of the people back then and SERB soldiers did that, not exactly Milosevic himself. Those soldiers are walking free in Serbia right now. Despite official lines most Serbs do literally hate Albanians. and you know it. Had Serbs admitted, paid reparations truly chosen a different path, then we could talk. I know and you know that thy haven't and in these cases usually repeat it again. That inat will ruin Serbia. Albanians tried it for 40 year with Hoxha.

Take the chance.
Vote YES or NO at www.FreeEurope.info

These 41 dumb nations who recognized kosovo should not forced the issue and respect the UNMIK & 1244
(Jevic, 25 May 2008 15:42)
The whole WORLD should see how these 41 gangster nations lead by the US will do on june 15, 2008
(PRO-Serb ME, 25 May 2008 20:01)

Gangsters what els are you going to call People who do not agree with you? Self-righteousness is not the way to play this. Politics of the 90s are the reason you are in this mess and you played your cards very wrong. Anyways without these Dumb nations where would you be?
As for the article UNMIK and EULEX might not agree how to proceed but this is small potato because none of them are disputing Kosov/os/a Independence(Status Neutral might be their official position)

>> There seems to be a lack of Albanian posters on this thread. I wonder why???????

Here's an Albanian poster!Who cares if it's UN, Eulex, FxDex or whatever. Serbia no longer rules and US /EU will stick in the region. All the legalities are a formality. When they bombed you you said it was illegal. They still bombed you and Russia did nothing.

>> Kosovo can only be independent when Serbia says it is - until then there is no certainty for the future. Russia and China have suggested negotiation.

Serbia will soon agree to this. Look at your unemployment and economy. Albania will soon surpass you. Guess what? If you want visas and investments, you must sign at the dotted line. The "we'll eat grass" is an obvious lie, just look at the pro-western vote just a few weeks ago. Young Serbs want jobs, they don't care about Prince Lazar and 1389 to the point of starving or fighting for it. Until this is sorted out, Serbia will suffer much more than Albanians. Worst case--and I said worst case--you will get the North and we will get Presevo valley and related Albanian area. The minerals $$ in North can be split someway.

The world's most powerful nations (7 out out 7 in G7 too) have recognized Kosova, so who cares if Mali or Venezuela say no?
Serbia lost it's moral authority to rule based on what they did to their citizens. If you look, the Radicals and Slobo's party are still extremely popular so no sane person can agree to have Serbs rule Albanians in any way. Can you imagine an Albanian PM or minister in a Serbian Government? Only a full separation and arming of K-Albanians can be a long term solution.

there are so many things that i find offensive about the extreme nationalists: among them are their mean-spiritedness, their violence, and their vindictiveness. it comes out, every day, right on these pages, every single day! and yet, somehow, they are expecting the Albanians to suddeny come to the realization: oh my god, we were wrong about everything -- we don't want to be an eu/american "colony" -- we just want to be ruled by serbia again!

i mean just read b92 for 1 week, and no one in their right mind would want to be ruled by serbia, whether it is ds-dss-ldp, or srs-dss... i just can't do any more acronyms, i'm all acronymed out.

we (that is, kosovo/a) will never be ruled by serbia again. never! it is lost forever, thank god! lost to that particular misery. let's move forward and spend more than one nanosecond thinking about one of those million problems we are faced with and how we might deal with it, like global warming, global poverty, war, disease... and let up with your threats of another war and another century of misery...

roberto, frisco

This is political maneuvering. Some of the EU powers themselves are delaying this mission for facts known to many; i.e. helping Serbia to choose a pro-EU government. If the Radicals had formed a government by know, EULEX would be deploying much faster. Not that the obstacles by Russia should be taken lightly, but in this area they truly can be overcome, otherwise Ban could see his whole UN destroyed with no money coming in for all of his missions worldwide.

>> So Albanians can convert to Islam under the Turks to oppress the Serbs, adopt fascism under the nazis to massacre more Serbs, conduct terror campaigns against Serbs from 1970's-1998 and butcher and ethnically-cleanse thousands of other Serbs in 2000-2008 and this gives them the right to rule Kosovo?

you need to read NON-Serbian history books. Those "genocide" claims against Serbs in the 80's were lies to revoke Kosovo's autonomy. The crime was lower in Kosovo than Serbia and only ONE rape in the year this was publicized.

You were VASSALS under the Turks (Prince Marko???). You fought for the Sultan and terrorized plenty of other Christians so don't bring that up. Albanians rose against Turks much more than you, Muslim or Catholic, we hated the bastards. religion is not like yours for us, we can change it and still be Albanians. Your churches were standing till lately, minus an idiot breaking a glass here and there... where are the Cro catholic churches and Albanian historic mosques, libraries, schools, houses...

You also seem to forget the "land reform" where Serbs settlers confiscated Albanian lands and Albanians were shipped to Turkey. As far as "Albanians being Nazis": Many more Serbs fought for the Nazis than Albanians, even when adjusted for population size. Do not confuse Serbia with Yugoslavia. This appears to be a concerted effort in Serbia's part to make all others "nazis" quietly forgetting their role. Albos did target the RECENT settlers in 1940's, you would too if Croats settled in your land while you were starving.

Regarding Mitrovica vs. Presevo:

K indy is a DONE deal. US and EU and G7 will not turn back. The land belongs to the people that live in. Kosovo was first ruled by Bulgars, Byzantines for some 300 years and then Serbs ruled it for 250 years. In 1400's Turks took it for 450 years, totally separate from "Serbia" until you "liberated" with 75-80% Albanian population. Hardly a "Serbian Jerusalem," despite what you believe. If Mitrovica has 50% of the wealth but 15% of the land, why should you get it without sharing? PEOPLE OWN THE LAND. Turkey no longer owns land in Serbia nor does the Queen in US. You have to understand this. You as a Serb will get your property back in Kosovo, but not Serbia.

Regarding this being temporary: I hope Serbs realize that war is not the answer. Serbs will one day get armed but so will the Albanians--in three countries--and as long as NATO stands nothing will happen. Croatia is armed as well. No one wins from war, even if the entire west collapses and Serbia is strong.

If US, UK & EU forced EULEX to be deploy in the south serbian province of kosovo without UNSC approval then thye totally disrespect international law and the authority of the UN itself. thus it will caused more tensions between the west and the east. These 41 dumb nations who recognized kosovo should not forced the issue and respect the UNMIK & 1244

There seems to be a lack of Albanian posters on this thread.

I wonder why???????

Maybe they see the writing on the wall for the illegal acts.

All silence from exciting Kosovo(a)" camp - Joe and Co.
I don't see any tnank you EU and cowboys- Good bless no law and immorality or so,,,,

The whole WORLD should see how these 41 gangster nations lead by the US will do on june 15, 2008 whether they will force EULEX to land in kosovo serbia even without a UN AUTHORIZATION. if they do then other nations should now think that this is a part of this so called NEW WORLD ORDER BY BUSH that even international law and the UN are now considered OBSOLETE. Wake up people of the world!!

NATO (in other words the US) want to be seen as a conquering power. The days of empire are back - the 'dowager empress' has spoken but the natives are ignoring her.
(Bob, 25 May 2008 14:47)

You just mentioned that Kosova will be independent when some one else will decide about that (Serbia in your oppinion) and in the same moment you blame others for concurring powers and backwardness- hmmm slightly confused I guess... ;)

Kosova is free proud and independent becaouse kosovars want that- you know the etimology of the word DEMOCRACY

I agree with you that serbia has bad politics during the 90's but are you aware that milosevic is gone / dead?? the people of serbia should not be subject of collective punishment due to crimes committed by their past leaders. by taking away kosovo which is the country' cradle as sample by the west is unwise and unfair. would you be happy if some nations take away "Quebec" for the same reason of bad politics??
(Jevic, 26 May 2008 07:32)

Jevic,

You cant even compare Quebec to Kosovo/a. I dont know if you are familiar with Canadian history but Quebec had a referendum for secession and that failed I think it was 48% for and 52% against. If it was 51% for we would be neighbors and nobody in their right mind would have sent the military in to stop the secession. Quebec has more rights than any other Province so why would they really want to secede? Now if the rest of Canada did go in and closed their schools and expelled their parents from their jobs not to mention other atrocities Serbia did in Kosovo/a what do you think their referendum results would be?
Serbia-Kosovo/a and Canada-Quebec not the same ballgame period.

Kosovo-is Serbia!

this so called "big dictatorial western powers" always like to impose their power in any place in the world disrespecting international world order. they easily get into a messy situation but due to their illegal actions, they have a hard time sorting it out in the end. examples are iraq and afghanistan now kosovo. beware that WWI and WWII started in the balkans and germany. hope it wont be a deja vu of sorts.

what a shameful and miserable this 'deadlock' is for the European politics.

And the whole world is witnessing European (or should I say EU) agonizing over how to deal with the fact that they were pushed into this by USA, and their allies.

I saw this interview on 'Hard Talk' on BBC with a former ambassador of Singapor in USA
who said that Asian nations follow the issue of Kosovo and came to the conclusion that EU is one of the most immature political entities in the world.

There is no grace and wisdom in European politics. They behave like a bunch of naughty infants poking fingers in each other's eyes.

Kosovo 'Independence' is their playground.

Oh dear, it looks like this EU mission is just another one of those dud deals. It is obvious the US cannot deliver its promise.

Furthermore, it is completely delusional of the Albanians to believe they can have authority over the whole of Kosovo. The defacto partition remains and if the Albanians want to believe that "Kosova" is independent, then so be it. However, they must understand that Serbia and the Serbians will have none of this fairy tale.

A strong Russia and China will ensure it does not get through the UN and fortunately the EU still have some law abiding members blocking it there.

The Serbian offer of more than autonomy but less than independence seems to be self-fulfilling. The Albanians rule themselves in this make believe "Kosova" while the Serbians, backed by international law and the overwhelming majority of the world, also rule themselves within the Serbian province.

So the sooner the partition and technical agreement are finalised, the sooner we can all move on from this mess. However, as usual, the US/Albanians must first remove themselves from denial and come back to reality.

Reading this article, I was somehow reminded of another article I read on BBC a few weeks ago of a python that tried to eat an alligator and exploded in the process (pictures and all were provided). I don't exactly know whether the python ate an alligator or a crocodile, but the point of this silly allegory is that the python clearly bit off more than it could literally swallow and in the end ruptured its entire body.

So too do I see this ridiculous attempt at enforcing a faulty and highly controversial EU policy over all of Kosovo Province, which will only cause bigger problems than now and rupture the entire mission (with pictures to follow too).

Lesson for future pythons and EUrocrats: eat what you can take and in smaller doses. The Albanians want EULEX; Serbs want UNMIK. So play it smart: establish EULEX in Albanian sectors and keep UNMIK in those areas where Serbs voted for representatives in local elections two weeks ago. This way, the EU has an easier way of setting up institutions with people who want to work with them. Serbs can stay on the sidelines and watch. If Albnanian sectors live long and prosper, they can say "I want in on this too" and suddenly we have that unified land everyone's talking about. And if it just collapses under the weight of its own bureaucracy, Serbs can remain largely untouched.

If they don't want to show any further that Kosovo is little more than a glofified colony, the EU is going to have to figure out how to operate under and within UNMIK. That's the bottom line and I think a more limited scope of EULEX is appropriate. It's time for Condi, Feith, and other heads stuck in the sand to realize Kosovo was partitioned a nanosecond after Pristina's declaration, and was solidified with the Serbian elections.

Take what you know you can work with and save yourself the headache. There are obstacles at all levels, in Kosovo, in the EU, in the UN, and in the world.

Kosovo can only be independent when Serbia says it is - until then there is no certainty for the future. Russia and China have suggested negotiation.

In the meantime, the UN has not changed its own resolution and the EU has really shown bumbling incompetence.

NATO (in other words the US) want to be seen as a conquering power. The days of empire are back - the 'dowager empress' has spoken but the natives are ignoring her.

"These 41 dumb nations who recognized kosovo should not forced the issue and respect the UNMIK & 1244
(Jevic, 25 May 2008 15:42)"

hey Jevic, please don´t talk bad about whole nations!

it´s only the administrations of some countries and first and foremost the USA. but that doesn´t mean they are all bad, since I can assure you a lot of US-americans WHO CARE AT ALL about foreign policy ...are all against this pseudo-puppet entity which the k-albanians are calling a "state"!

so, don´t be unfair! and by the way: there is no reason to be angry, since it´s only 40 countries... they will not succeed! the majority of the world has realized what it is all about and those "waves" the k-albanians are not getting tired to announce will very very likely never arrive...

so, keep cool! Time is on the side of the civilized world, of the law, moral and justice and to make it definitely clear even to our brick-faced albanian friends: time is on Serbia´s side!

Al,

What color is the sky in your world?

So you advocate that splitting Kosovo is acceptable only if Serbia relinguishes the Presevo Valley. Serbia gets Northern Kosovo but loses Southern Kosovo and Presevo Valley. . .then has to split the mining revenues in Northern Kosovo with the Albanians??

Wow. . .what a great deal for the Serbs!?! (please note the heavy sarcasm)

Oh, oh. . .another lecture on moral authority from the Albanians.

So Albanians can convert to islam under the Turks to oppress the Serbs, adopt fascism under the nazis to massacre more Serbs, conduct terror campaigns against Serbs from 1970's-1998 and butcher and ethnically-cleanse thousands of other Serbs in 2000-2008 and this gives them the right to rule Kosovo?

Quit coming to Serbian forums and spreading lies and falsehoods.

Real Canadian,

I agree with you that serbia has bad politics during the 90's but are you aware that milosevic is gone / dead?? the people of serbia should not be subject of collective punishment due to crimes committed by their past leaders. by taking away kosovo which is the country' cradle as sample by the west is unwise and unfair. would you be happy if some nations take away "Quebec" for the same reason of bad politics??

Hi Al

My experience of Kosovo is of Serbs who were driven out by Albanians long before Milosevic came on the scene. These are decent people who feel very deeply hurt by the way they were pressured and forced out. I agree that the Albanians in Kosovo should have strong autonomy, but I do not believe it is right to reward their ethnic cleansing of Serbs by allowing the UDI.

Serbia may have had its moral authority undermined by Milosevic's policies, but that does not mean that the territory is no longer part of Serbia. Those are separate issues.
You don't have to be a nationalist to believe the Kosovo should remain as part of Serbia. Be clear - there is no guarantee of permanence for the UDI.

Personally I have always detested the policies of violence - from both sides.

The mono-ethnic ambitions of the Albanians living in Kosovo should not be rewarded.

we (that is, kosovo/a) will never be ruled by serbia again. never!

roberto, frisco
(roberto, 26 May 2008 09:27)
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Don't worry roberto, Serbia has absolutely no desire to rule the Albanians. The offer of self-rule is still on the table should you ever decide for the US to stop baby-sitting you.

But just remember that the Albanians can never rule the Serbians either.

Take the chance.
Vote YES or NO at www.FreeEurope.info

@roberto:

your Serbia-will-never-rule-again-optimism is quite funny, though!

you know, ...you will probably be witness to changes in southern europe that will leave you very disappointed, some day.

let´s see whether you will still sit in san francisco or whatever and whine about it...

or whether you will be capable of reading the signs and adjust to the changes...

>> I agree with you that serbia has bad politics during the 90's but are you aware that milosevic is gone / dead?? the people of serbia should not be subject of collective punishment due to crimes committed by their past leaders. by taking away kosovo which is the country' cradle as sample by the west is unwise and unfair. would you be happy if some nations take away "Quebec" for the same reason of bad politics??

No one is taking anything away for punishment. K-Albanians need to live in peace and security. Look at how popular Mladic, Arkan etc are in Serbia. Your Radical party's platform (most popular party) says to get rid of the Albanians entirely. Has Serbia admitted what they did other than a "Milosevic did bad things" ? Nope. Many still deny anything happened. And Milosevic had the approval of the people back then and SERB soldiers did that, not exactly Milosevic himself. Those soldiers are walking free in Serbia right now. Despite official lines most Serbs do literally hate Albanians. and you know it. Had Serbs admitted, paid reparations truly chosen a different path, then we could talk. I know and you know that thy haven't and in these cases usually repeat it again. That inat will ruin Serbia. Albanians tried it for 40 year with Hoxha.

"Had Serbs admitted, paid reparations truly chosen a different path, then we could talk."

you´re not even being asked! so, there will be no talk with you about serbian territory, my dear friend.

or, let´s keep it rational,my dear Al ( Bundy? ) ;)

I´ll be honest to you, there are in fact some poeple in Serbia, and in Europe in general, believing that you are a little bit behind in european values, like freedom of thaught, speech or even female emancipation to name only a few things...

let´s not talk about the "kanun", and other rather backwarded traditions you´re still keeping alive...

but let me assure you, most Serbs are not even really interested in you! the point is, you live on serbian territory, and because of your experiences with the Slobo-regime you shall get your autonomy, but that´s it!

as I already said it, you´re not even being asked!

unfortunately you´ve never learned to accept a good offer, you want more, and there´s a certain danger, that you might lose it all, if you do not come to reason!

as a sidenote: thanks a lot to the Albanian who was speaking about Romania in a very shameful way...

you are great, since you are perfectly helping Serbia to gain more sympathy in the fight against the greater-albanian ideology!

you have just strengthened Serbia, so THANKS A LOT!

ps: do you still believe that Kosovo will be an economical hot-spot under albanian rule? :)

Jovan,
good luck with your 'inat' mode, most Serbs will not join you. Believe or not, we have been around this area (Balkans) for a lot longer than you and have
survived all the empires (and wannabe "empires") alone--as Albanians and still have our language. Regarding being backward: Who killed "Turks"
by the 1000's to revenge Lazar's 1389 loss and who introduced concentration camps in 1990's? On women, read around a
bit...Serbia is no women paradise either. The Kanun was written in 1450's and those practices existed for 100's of
years before that so you get an idea.

You forgot that Albania has oil and a 300 mile beautiful coastline. You have more industry...thanks to Tito, whereas we suffered under real Communism,
but we will catch up. Investments are pouring in and Albania will join NATO in a year.
Mess with Kosova then: Gjergj Kastrioti vs. Prince Lazar. Who would win with equal weapons;) ???