French ambassador: We want to help Serbia

'...There must be ability to accept reality as it is," he continued.
What in God's name is Monsieur Terral blathering about? The 'reality' is that Kosovo will never become a UN member (Russia recently said they would veto this), Kosovo will never be able to join the EU (due to the refusal of several members), Kosovo will never be recognized by Serbia, out of 192 countries, less than 40 have recognized the fake/illegal/immoral state of Kosovo, Serbia has most of world on its side. That, Monsieur, is 'reality'. Another 'reality' is that the new French leader is cowboy George's shoe shine boy. Charles DeGaulle must be rolling over in his grave.

What would have happened had the UK and US accpeted the reality of the Nazi invasion and Vichy government during WWII?

France showed some principles for international law by not getting involved in the Iraq invasion, but hasn't continued that with the decision to recognise Kosovo.

Serbia should hold firm on this issue, because they have been swindled too many times. "War Criminals" have been handed over to the Hague and no help or rewards are being offered to Serbia. Instead they are losing their territory and being bullied, therefore they need to revert back to Russia who is the only one helping them. Fight for Kosovo because if we don't then those who died, died for nothing!! What a shame this would be. The Hague is a sham court which freed a terroist this week!!! What hypocrites!!!!!!

Reality is-take your investors to talbania.But even there english and american beat you to it.
Serbia and it`s people had enough of your good wills for the next 5 life times.

It is about time NATO countries, particularly France, understand reality. A second Albanian Kosovo will never be a UN Member and, at best is just a similar State as that set up under Axis Powers forceful policies. While France may have become weak towards Germany's EU dominance Serbia is not willing to cede territory due to force, neither economic not literal. EULEX is just another NATO tool to foster a puppet state enabled after force and occupation.

"The Serbs love France like France loves the Serbs." Whatever happened to that statue in Belgrade? It proves that words are a lot less meaningfull compared to actions.

My message to France is that nobody is stopping you from helping Serbia but your own dirty politics. If you want to be friends with Serbia and help then go right ahead. Otherwise leave Serbs alone, and Serbs will help themselves.

I am a pro-EU and pro democracy type of guy, but enough of this hypothetical help already.

This is Goebbels speaking right after the French have lost half its property in WW2 -
"Monsieur,we really want to help France realize its potential!
We implore you to join the Axis forces so that the rest of you continue to develop W/O fear"

Monsieur, French minister, did that bring back some memories?
And some unpleasant thoughts...
Well, thats how the Serbs feel now...!

Given that the reality is that the average Frenchman is incredibly nationalist and feels that the United States foreign policy is clumsy and ugly, The people of Serbia's response to Monsieur Terral interferences should be
"YANKEE GO HOME"

veiled threats all over this.. piece. insults too. very good for srs campaing to prove their eu point. no, dear paris, we cant help you with eulex, sorry :) your mess. give our regards to berlin. also, we know that tadic only spoke about defending kosovo because he had no other choice, and that his words had no real meaning, thanks for confirming this. but most of the rest of us mean business, see may 11 elections results.
and sometimes, these people forget who we are. it's not that they hate us, it's that they never knew or tend to forget. maybe because there's not much wealth and strength with us and other stuff that catches the eye immediately. they forget our capacity to persevere and sacrifice when it really matters. they forget how rue des serbes came to be in cannes. the blue tomb, the 5 centuries of turkish occupation from which we emerged christians and slavs, with slavic names and surnames. i ask everyone who knows little about serbs to just take a moment and contemplate that.

I found that writing lengthy articles here or anywhere else in response to the French ambassador could instead easily be summed up by one word... Lies!

This reminds me of General George Patton's famous quote:

'I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me''

France can help Serbia by stop 'helping'.

Jaque, its good that mr terral has one friend! unfortunately your both under some delusion that (ref to your comment)
-accept Kosovo's independence and enter the EU.
Serbia to accept kosovo as an independent state, rather optimistic of you don't you think or a flight of fancy!!! As for Serbia entering the EU well thats for the Serbian people to decide and would n't it be ironic if they did and then vetoed any chance of kosovo entering the EU !!!

Bety from paris, I agree that it is better to have many friends than many enemies, but the west has decided that they are no friend of the Serbs. They have chosen to cast Serbia aside and not the other way around. Would you want friendship which offers you slavery? Would you consider those your friends who wish to rob you and humiliate you?

Serbia has more friends than enemies or haven't you been following who is in support of independent Kosovo and who is not?

Now I ask you. Do you think that some countries, i.e. France, US and UK have extended a hand of friendship towards Serbia or a big stick? Serbia has complied with many requests that have come from the west and only got more requests and threats so how do you think that Serbia is the one who doesn't want friendship?

What has the west done to prove that they want friendship with Serbia?

When you can answer these questions honestly you will not be so quick to say that it is up to Serbia to be friends with these countreies. It is up to them, for they are the ones who are constantly changing the rules.

Again we see the "hand extended" as a token of friendship & good will but as we Serbs have come to learn all to well, it's merely an illusion. Thanks Sir but no thanks. I'm still in the process of removing all the existing knives in my back without wishing for more.

If France really wanted to "help" Serbia, they'd annul their illegal recognition of the mafia state and call for the closing down of the Hague. They'd also stop interfering in the domestic affairs of Serbia and condemn the freeing of KLA war criminals.

"It's a fact that Kosovo is gone and never returning back. So Serbia is just wasting its precious time.

Oh well...
(Jacque, 6 April 2008 16:17)"

once again we are being tortured with low-level-comments by writers pretending to be something else but albanian...

first of all, my dear "Jacque"...

I wouldn´t be so sure about Serbia never coming back, if I were in your shoes... let´s just see what future brings!

there is merely a fifth of the worlds recognized countries supporting the illegal toy-entity proclaimed by the uck-mafia-leaders...so, what is your happiness about, actually?

and just to have mentioned it: Jacques is being written with a letter "s" at it´s end.

so much for being french, my dear...

Kosovo is Serbia, and UNSC 1244 says it quite clear, Serbia has all it needs to keep its southern province ...and the only thing that is needed is time.

and Serbia has time, since the law and moral is on Serbia´s side. so, my dear "jacque" if you feel that way, so be it, but don´t fool yourself with "analyzes" like yours written above...

just as you will have to accept reality...such as that the Albanians have no connection to the illyrians.., and that Kosovo is serbian territory.

They will double cross you in a minute. You see how they have protected the Serb holy sites. Trust them and you will get more of the same

Go France!
Tell it like it is.
Serbia's only choices are:
-accept Kosovo's independence and enter the EU.
-don't accept it and look towards Russia.

Obviously, for Serbia's benefit, joining Europe would be the way to move forward.

However, they seem to be going back to Russia.

All I can say is: what a loss for them.

It's a fact that Kosovo is gone and never returning back. So Serbia is just wasting its precious time.

Oh well...

Besnik, you are somewhat naive to think that Milosevic was responsible for the break up of Yugoslavia. Once communism collapsed the federation required a new constituion to make it governable. This though was simply not achievable through negotiation and agreement as Slovenia and Croatia decided their interests best lay in leaving the federation rather than working towards saving it. As both the USSR and Czechoslovakia separated at the same time there is no surprise that Yugoslavia did.

Of the six repulics only Slovenia's economy grew after 1991. The others slumped and only Croatia has reached its 1990 level since.

Serbia is actually in the top half of GDP by total size and per capita and no where near the "lowest on earth". In both respects it is higher than Albania which didn't endure any war or sanctions during the 1990s.

How is Milosevic responsible for the breakup of Yugoslavia? Did he arm neo-Ustashas in Croatia? Did he arm Mujahadeen in Bosnia? Or Slovenian separatists? Did he give money to republics so that they would separate, like the US did? Did he recognize the rump referendum in Bosnia where only 2 of the 3 peoples agreed to independence?

These acts were done by the Germans, Americans, and the Vatican. Medic himself admitted his goal was the destruction of Yugoslavia, and he succeeded thanks to the help of Germany and the so-called Holy See.

Milosevic was not a nationalist. That is propaganda. Point me to one sentence where he made any nationalistic slogan. Not once did he ever utter such a thing. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Monsieur Terral reminds me very much of a Vichy-era. He is just like Sarkozy and Kouchner, straight out of a Marie Antoinnette movie. France is a struggling nation.

PJD,

Here is the list of the current GDP (per capita) for the Former Yugoslavia's provinces.

Serbia's GDP: $7,700
Croatia GDP: $15, 500
Slovenia's GDP: $27,300
Bosnia: $6,600
Macedonia's GDP: $8,400
Montenegro's GDP: $3, 600
Kosova's GDP: $1,800

The worlds average GDP is $10,000 per capita.
"Serbia is actually in the top half of GDP by total size and per capita and no where near the "lowest on earth"." is inaccurate.
This places Serbia's GDP to be below the average. Thus, it places Serbia's economy in the lowest ranks and not the top half.

"In both respects it is higher than Albania which didn't endure any war or sanctions during the 1990s."
I was not referring to Albania in my post. However, since you choose to mention it the GDP of Albania is $5,500 per capita. It is true it is a little lower than Serbia's. But if you account to what Serbia was and what it has become, there can be no comparison to Albania. Albania had its own problem with communism for 50 years (Serbia did not, Serbia prospered during that time). It is now that they (Albania) are learning the steps to a democratic nation and they will pretty soon join the EU. Since I am talking about Albania I will make this comparison. What Serbia needs to decide is if it wants to become like Albania in the Enever Hoxha's communist regime, totally isolated from the world (except Russia and China for some time until they too betrayed them), or join the EU and prosper. Kosova is a lost cause for Serbia, you have to agree on this, Kosova is only a subject for the battle of the Serbian parties between each other on who will get to govern Serbia. Its nothing more than that. No Serbian politician in the right mind will say that we support Kosova's independence right now, because if they do, they will loose votes and will not win. Mark my words that by 2010 Serbia itself will recognize Kosovo not because of pressure, but it will be in its best interests to do so.

When you said that Slovenia and Croatia wanted to separate rather than conserve the federation. That is not true, they broke up because of the Serbian excessive force to dominate Yugoslavia. That is why they got separated. The excessive force of domination was Milosevic's politics. You cannot count how many times Serbs wanted to eliminate Tito. Why? Because he was not a Serb!
Why didn't Tito ever visit Moscow, when they called him? But he always sent the Serbian representative there ;) Think on that.
The only place in the world where communism/socialism prospered was Yugoslavia. Why? Because Tito (4 years of education) was smart. When he died so did Yugoslavia with him. Milosevic took all the wrong decision and Serbian people approved those decisions. When you brake a glass you cannot put it together as it was again. Even Montenegro who has 30% Serb population didn't want to be ruled by Serbia, but it decided to go its own way. This shows you that your politics have big faults.

Dear people of those comments on B92 there is a small problem of your scientific approach to the problem 21 century which has led the democratic countries in a new faze of organizing economies and politics’ of a country or society. Anything what is said from EU that dos not support Serbian case is pragmatic and anti Serbian but I assume you that is not the case coming EC and USA .First of all you have to look in your back garden and ask your self what government you in Serbia have what policies you have and understand where the all this paranoia came from and can you Serbs yourself resolve the problems which hunts Serbian politics and what impact those politics and policies have brought Serbia in a past 25 years.
In last 20 years all the Europeans wanted is to help you but in all cases is been shut by your politics without leaving a room for negotiation like you Serbs keep saying ,,Europe nema alternative’’ but you shod understand that Europe has always million alternatives to any problem is facing .
With the break up of former YU republics that have seek help and cooperation from EC now they are more prosperous than Serbia and they are cooperative in any aspect of life like economy integration ,society, politics etc ,all this prosperity came from willingness to negotiate.
I’m sure the France is willing to help Serbia to understand new situation on a ground as it is without any lies and straight forward, other wise your time and future ma go nowhere in circle, so you may continue to ignore EC and get nowhere or accept new facts and move on in a better future ,as Kosovo is concern that is new fact new independent state ,and Kosovo is country of all the people they live in it not just for Albanians and is going to be there for as long as the world exists.
So the world and France wish’s you good election truly democratic and western orientated .
,,better is having many friend than many enemies ‘’

Tito visited Moscow at least 5 times, and at least twice after Yugoslavia was expelled from Cominform (1956 and 1977). I don't know where you get your information.

Also 55% of Montenegro's population voted for independence. That's the slimmest of margins. It's also not surprising considering the fact that Montenegro's mafia affiliated leadership not only declared their "neutrality" during the NATO bombing but had Croatian fighters come and help train people to assassinate JNA soldiers.
It had nothing to do with the so-called failings of Serbia but rather the opportunism of Djukanovic and his ruling clique. And the human rights police and the KLA supporters on here have no problem supporting Montenegro while they violate Serbs cultural rights with their new "constitution".

France dont waste your time to convince Srbia to join Europe. They since after the WW2 they wanted to be part of Russia. They tried hard to kill TITO and to join to east block or russian block. remember Rankovic with friends. So many planed attentats failed against TITO. All the time they worked for Russian interest. There is no need for srbia. Leave them alone. But srbia has to be avair that other peoples who lives in srbia they dot want to be part of russia, so they can join russia without them.

boys, get real, it´s simply stupid propaganda saying that Serbia´s "only way forward" is the way into the EU and recognizing (!) Kosovo...
Serbia, and that´s something no sound person will deny, is located in a strategically important area, center of the CEFTA-region, a western-based society ( with all it´s indices ) in contrast to the kanun-based clan-structures within the albanian society...so, please don´t waste your precious time with those useless attempts to paint a picture of the Serbs being a backward-society when it is quite the opposite!

instead of writing fairytales, my dear albanian friends, you should come to reason and get in touch with reality.

UNSC 1244 is in effect. time is on Serbia´s side, not mentioning law and moral.

so, my dear friends... here on this Soros-media-tool you can of course write such a nonsense... but you must be aware that you make fools of yourselves believing that.

and just one remark to this vassal who is "laughing" ...

my dear, the US won´t stay forever! ...in the meantime, go and ask the Kurdish people whether they still have trust in american assurances... ;)

you still live in an illusion, and do not realize that you´re being duped.

you will wake up, that´s for sure.

@Besnik: Just wondering where you got your economic facts for # 24. I missed that info.

Also, you seem to think the USA is in Kosovo to stay and will be making huge investments into the area. Quite frankly I'm sure they will assist the Albanians in Kosovo, but I'm not sure what kind of long term interest they actually have there.

You see things are not so great in the USA, and people are starting to really wonder if we can afford the foreign interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo.

In short, this isn't your father's America any more. If it were they'd probably be supporting the Serbs anyway, so don't count your $ before they hatch.

Besnik, Are you proud that the US will be in Kosovo for the next two centuries? Where is your Albanian national pride? Where is your sense of national self-liberation if such a concept can be applied in this case? Do you realize that not one Arab/Muslim country has recognized Kosovo apart from Afganistan/Turkey (correct me if it has changed)? They see you as a lackey and a stooge. The Muslim world is embarrassed with all this American flag waving. It really is disgusting. As for the EU, well I was always a Serb for the EU but I can't see how that is feasible. Not after everything the US and EU have done to Serbia.
As Bob Dylan sings 'The times they are a changing' and the US is losing.

Dear Brian,

Your own words prove my point!!!

"Milosevic was not a nationalist. That is propaganda.
Did he arm NEO-USTASHAS in Croatia?
Did he arm MUJAHADEEN in Bosnia?
Or Slovenian SEPARATISTS? "
You can add Kosovo's TERRORISTS ;)

So that leaves only Serbian people to be the saints of former Yugoslavia :-) I will have to re-think the meaning of nationalist!!!

Peace.

wrong, Besnik, wrong...

but, I cannot blame you for believing this...since you desperately depend on the US...

what else should you write here, right?

perhaps the US will stay another 1000 years? lol

believe whatever you want...

Serbia will be there, and you can bet your ... on it, Kosovo will very likely be liberated.

it´s only a question of time...

But Sir, France has done so much already!

Your Excellency, we are not expecting anything from TODAY'S France. Please, join Your Chief Bernard Kouchner in taking coffee from a coffee machine. While another ambassador was talking his stance on Kosovo at a press conference, A cup of coffee was more interesting to Minister Kouchner.
We are looking forward to some DIFFERENT, GREAT France led by great people.
Vera

Every time the EU says it wants to help Serbia they pour slop on the ground and expect Serbs to get down on their hands and knees and lick it up.

Americans accused of war crimes in Iraq were NOT turned over to the Hague. They were tried by U. S. military courts. Serbians charged with war crimes should be tried by a military court in Serbia. Not in the Hague kangaroo court.

Stay strong Serbia and elect leaders that are Pro-Serbia and not EU sycophants.

Jovan,

If you can prove to me how Serbia made forward steps in their economy in the last 25 years you will have me convinced.
USA will stay in Kosova for at least the next two centuries ;) They would not have build its largest base there if they were to leave. Get real :)
Unfortunate for Kurdistan is a different story USA doesn't have a base in Turkey ;)
Not to mention USA will be selling arms to Kosova and with equal forces even if Serbia wanted to wage war against Kosova they will not win.

@Klinsman,
The economic facts were from the CIA fact Book. Google it online and you will get it.
For the USA Kosova is a small country, but if you know how strategies of big countries work you would understand why they would stay there. The USA gains a strategic position in Kosova and they will not let it go. Do you know that for the first time in the history of the world a big country helped a small one from their oppressor? This was the case in Kosova. You cannot find another example in the whole history of the world when that had happened.
Not one USA solider died in Kosova, 4000 died in Iraq. USA soldiers were welcomed with flowers in Kosova and with suicide bombers in Iraq. Granted that Iraq has oil, but Kosova is very rich with minerals as well. However, that is not the reason why USA decided to bomb Belgrade and enter Kosova. They went in because they helped Albania in 1912 and they did the same for Kosova in 2007. They are our friends and its strategically important that they have a military base in Kosova. No wonder Bondsteel is even bigger than Aviano in Italy. I have no problem USA being in Kosova, as long as people are free there. Because before they were not. Strategies like these are drawn out 50 years in advance for those who understand strategies of big countries.

@Milan,
I am not a nationalist as some of you are here. By being proud nationalists you destroyed Yugoslavia.
I just wish the best for Kosova. We could not self-liberate because we were not even close with the military arsenal that Belgrade had. We are no way linked to Arab countries, we are in Europe the last time I checked. The problems that the Muslim world have with USA are not ours. USA is our friend. Within two months at least 30 new countries in that area will recognize Kosova, because that is what they have said yesterday. We are proud to wave the flag of the country that helped us liberate from tyranny of Milosevic's politics. If you find it disgusting so be it, I find it rather entertaining. The last time I checked the USA is the only superpower and not one country is even close to that ... not even close. So maybe after 500-1000 years times will change ;) But unfortunately me and you Milane will not be here to see it :)

Peace to you all.

I agree with the French ambassador. Serbia needs to let go of their nationalistic ego and move forward. The break up of all Yugoslavia was thanks to the incompetent SERBIAN president Slobodan Milosevic. If the guy were smart Yugoslavia would still exist and the standard of living in it would be comparable to the West (might have be even better - as it was during TITO's time). But his nationalistic ego (like many of you here) broke up the Yugoslavia and as a result Serbia has one of the lowest GDP on earth. Just nearly a half century ago the GDP of this place in Balkans was as high as the west. Now its 20-30 times lower. So instead of moving forward Serbia moved backwards for almost 25 years. So again all of you Serbs have no one to blame other than your own ex-president for the loss of all the provinces of Yugoslavia. I certainly hope that you choose wisely on your May 11 elections and choose to put one set forward and not another one backward as you have been doing in the last 25 years.
Your results of loosing all the provinces in Yugoslavia clearly shows that you making all the wrong decisions thus far. It only makes me laugh that you really think USA will leave Kosova and that you will return :-)
Peace.

Besnik, I'm just curious how the USA helped out ALbania in 1912. Please let me know. I'm aware that Albania proper was created by Italy/AUstro-Hungary and now Kosovo was made by the US so that makes 2 Albanian states made by outside powers. Do the Albanians have a genetic deficiency in creating their own states? Sorry that was personal. I just don't understand 1912 and the US role.

As for being branded a nationalist and Serbs being the sole guilty party in the destruction of Yugoslavia this claim is a little old and to any serious scholar not worthy of mention. The Croats had by far been more antagonistic and hostile to Yugoslavia than the Serbs. As for the ALbanians nothing ever satisfied you not autonomy and neither will this fraudulent independence. Congratulations the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia has recognised Kosova.

"Kosovo is country of all the people they live in it not just for Albanians and is going to be there for as long as the world exists."

So your trying to say that world is going to end pretty soon? You know we see this kosovo independence as same as when kosovo was occupied by the turks.

Go France!
Tell it like it is.
Serbia's only choices are:
-accept Kosovo's independence and enter the EU.
-don't accept it and look towards Russia.

Obviously, for Serbia's benefit, joining Europe would be the way to move forward.

However, they seem to be going back to Russia.

All I can say is: what a loss for them.

It's a fact that Kosovo is gone and never returning back. So Serbia is just wasting its precious time.

Oh well...

Dear people of those comments on B92 there is a small problem of your scientific approach to the problem 21 century which has led the democratic countries in a new faze of organizing economies and politics’ of a country or society. Anything what is said from EU that dos not support Serbian case is pragmatic and anti Serbian but I assume you that is not the case coming EC and USA .First of all you have to look in your back garden and ask your self what government you in Serbia have what policies you have and understand where the all this paranoia came from and can you Serbs yourself resolve the problems which hunts Serbian politics and what impact those politics and policies have brought Serbia in a past 25 years.
In last 20 years all the Europeans wanted is to help you but in all cases is been shut by your politics without leaving a room for negotiation like you Serbs keep saying ,,Europe nema alternative’’ but you shod understand that Europe has always million alternatives to any problem is facing .
With the break up of former YU republics that have seek help and cooperation from EC now they are more prosperous than Serbia and they are cooperative in any aspect of life like economy integration ,society, politics etc ,all this prosperity came from willingness to negotiate.
I’m sure the France is willing to help Serbia to understand new situation on a ground as it is without any lies and straight forward, other wise your time and future ma go nowhere in circle, so you may continue to ignore EC and get nowhere or accept new facts and move on in a better future ,as Kosovo is concern that is new fact new independent state ,and Kosovo is country of all the people they live in it not just for Albanians and is going to be there for as long as the world exists.
So the world and France wish’s you good election truly democratic and western orientated .
,,better is having many friend than many enemies ‘’

France dont waste your time to convince Srbia to join Europe. They since after the WW2 they wanted to be part of Russia. They tried hard to kill TITO and to join to east block or russian block. remember Rankovic with friends. So many planed attentats failed against TITO. All the time they worked for Russian interest. There is no need for srbia. Leave them alone. But srbia has to be avair that other peoples who lives in srbia they dot want to be part of russia, so they can join russia without them.

'...There must be ability to accept reality as it is," he continued.
What in God's name is Monsieur Terral blathering about? The 'reality' is that Kosovo will never become a UN member (Russia recently said they would veto this), Kosovo will never be able to join the EU (due to the refusal of several members), Kosovo will never be recognized by Serbia, out of 192 countries, less than 40 have recognized the fake/illegal/immoral state of Kosovo, Serbia has most of world on its side. That, Monsieur, is 'reality'. Another 'reality' is that the new French leader is cowboy George's shoe shine boy. Charles DeGaulle must be rolling over in his grave.

What would have happened had the UK and US accpeted the reality of the Nazi invasion and Vichy government during WWII?

France showed some principles for international law by not getting involved in the Iraq invasion, but hasn't continued that with the decision to recognise Kosovo.

Serbia should hold firm on this issue, because they have been swindled too many times. "War Criminals" have been handed over to the Hague and no help or rewards are being offered to Serbia. Instead they are losing their territory and being bullied, therefore they need to revert back to Russia who is the only one helping them. Fight for Kosovo because if we don't then those who died, died for nothing!! What a shame this would be. The Hague is a sham court which freed a terroist this week!!! What hypocrites!!!!!!

This reminds me of General George Patton's famous quote:

'I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me''

France can help Serbia by stop 'helping'.

"It's a fact that Kosovo is gone and never returning back. So Serbia is just wasting its precious time.

Oh well...
(Jacque, 6 April 2008 16:17)"

once again we are being tortured with low-level-comments by writers pretending to be something else but albanian...

first of all, my dear "Jacque"...

I wouldn´t be so sure about Serbia never coming back, if I were in your shoes... let´s just see what future brings!

there is merely a fifth of the worlds recognized countries supporting the illegal toy-entity proclaimed by the uck-mafia-leaders...so, what is your happiness about, actually?

and just to have mentioned it: Jacques is being written with a letter "s" at it´s end.

so much for being french, my dear...

Kosovo is Serbia, and UNSC 1244 says it quite clear, Serbia has all it needs to keep its southern province ...and the only thing that is needed is time.

and Serbia has time, since the law and moral is on Serbia´s side. so, my dear "jacque" if you feel that way, so be it, but don´t fool yourself with "analyzes" like yours written above...

just as you will have to accept reality...such as that the Albanians have no connection to the illyrians.., and that Kosovo is serbian territory.

I agree with the French ambassador. Serbia needs to let go of their nationalistic ego and move forward. The break up of all Yugoslavia was thanks to the incompetent SERBIAN president Slobodan Milosevic. If the guy were smart Yugoslavia would still exist and the standard of living in it would be comparable to the West (might have be even better - as it was during TITO's time). But his nationalistic ego (like many of you here) broke up the Yugoslavia and as a result Serbia has one of the lowest GDP on earth. Just nearly a half century ago the GDP of this place in Balkans was as high as the west. Now its 20-30 times lower. So instead of moving forward Serbia moved backwards for almost 25 years. So again all of you Serbs have no one to blame other than your own ex-president for the loss of all the provinces of Yugoslavia. I certainly hope that you choose wisely on your May 11 elections and choose to put one set forward and not another one backward as you have been doing in the last 25 years.
Your results of loosing all the provinces in Yugoslavia clearly shows that you making all the wrong decisions thus far. It only makes me laugh that you really think USA will leave Kosova and that you will return :-)
Peace.

How is Milosevic responsible for the breakup of Yugoslavia? Did he arm neo-Ustashas in Croatia? Did he arm Mujahadeen in Bosnia? Or Slovenian separatists? Did he give money to republics so that they would separate, like the US did? Did he recognize the rump referendum in Bosnia where only 2 of the 3 peoples agreed to independence?

These acts were done by the Germans, Americans, and the Vatican. Medic himself admitted his goal was the destruction of Yugoslavia, and he succeeded thanks to the help of Germany and the so-called Holy See.

Milosevic was not a nationalist. That is propaganda. Point me to one sentence where he made any nationalistic slogan. Not once did he ever utter such a thing. You have no idea what you're talking about.

"The Serbs love France like France loves the Serbs." Whatever happened to that statue in Belgrade? It proves that words are a lot less meaningfull compared to actions.

My message to France is that nobody is stopping you from helping Serbia but your own dirty politics. If you want to be friends with Serbia and help then go right ahead. Otherwise leave Serbs alone, and Serbs will help themselves.

I am a pro-EU and pro democracy type of guy, but enough of this hypothetical help already.

Tito visited Moscow at least 5 times, and at least twice after Yugoslavia was expelled from Cominform (1956 and 1977). I don't know where you get your information.

Also 55% of Montenegro's population voted for independence. That's the slimmest of margins. It's also not surprising considering the fact that Montenegro's mafia affiliated leadership not only declared their "neutrality" during the NATO bombing but had Croatian fighters come and help train people to assassinate JNA soldiers.
It had nothing to do with the so-called failings of Serbia but rather the opportunism of Djukanovic and his ruling clique. And the human rights police and the KLA supporters on here have no problem supporting Montenegro while they violate Serbs cultural rights with their new "constitution".

Jaque, its good that mr terral has one friend! unfortunately your both under some delusion that (ref to your comment)
-accept Kosovo's independence and enter the EU.
Serbia to accept kosovo as an independent state, rather optimistic of you don't you think or a flight of fancy!!! As for Serbia entering the EU well thats for the Serbian people to decide and would n't it be ironic if they did and then vetoed any chance of kosovo entering the EU !!!

It is about time NATO countries, particularly France, understand reality. A second Albanian Kosovo will never be a UN Member and, at best is just a similar State as that set up under Axis Powers forceful policies. While France may have become weak towards Germany's EU dominance Serbia is not willing to cede territory due to force, neither economic not literal. EULEX is just another NATO tool to foster a puppet state enabled after force and occupation.

Given that the reality is that the average Frenchman is incredibly nationalist and feels that the United States foreign policy is clumsy and ugly, The people of Serbia's response to Monsieur Terral interferences should be
"YANKEE GO HOME"

Reality is-take your investors to talbania.But even there english and american beat you to it.
Serbia and it`s people had enough of your good wills for the next 5 life times.

veiled threats all over this.. piece. insults too. very good for srs campaing to prove their eu point. no, dear paris, we cant help you with eulex, sorry :) your mess. give our regards to berlin. also, we know that tadic only spoke about defending kosovo because he had no other choice, and that his words had no real meaning, thanks for confirming this. but most of the rest of us mean business, see may 11 elections results.
and sometimes, these people forget who we are. it's not that they hate us, it's that they never knew or tend to forget. maybe because there's not much wealth and strength with us and other stuff that catches the eye immediately. they forget our capacity to persevere and sacrifice when it really matters. they forget how rue des serbes came to be in cannes. the blue tomb, the 5 centuries of turkish occupation from which we emerged christians and slavs, with slavic names and surnames. i ask everyone who knows little about serbs to just take a moment and contemplate that.

This is Goebbels speaking right after the French have lost half its property in WW2 -
"Monsieur,we really want to help France realize its potential!
We implore you to join the Axis forces so that the rest of you continue to develop W/O fear"

Monsieur, French minister, did that bring back some memories?
And some unpleasant thoughts...
Well, thats how the Serbs feel now...!

I found that writing lengthy articles here or anywhere else in response to the French ambassador could instead easily be summed up by one word... Lies!

Bety from paris, I agree that it is better to have many friends than many enemies, but the west has decided that they are no friend of the Serbs. They have chosen to cast Serbia aside and not the other way around. Would you want friendship which offers you slavery? Would you consider those your friends who wish to rob you and humiliate you?

Serbia has more friends than enemies or haven't you been following who is in support of independent Kosovo and who is not?

Now I ask you. Do you think that some countries, i.e. France, US and UK have extended a hand of friendship towards Serbia or a big stick? Serbia has complied with many requests that have come from the west and only got more requests and threats so how do you think that Serbia is the one who doesn't want friendship?

What has the west done to prove that they want friendship with Serbia?

When you can answer these questions honestly you will not be so quick to say that it is up to Serbia to be friends with these countreies. It is up to them, for they are the ones who are constantly changing the rules.

They will double cross you in a minute. You see how they have protected the Serb holy sites. Trust them and you will get more of the same

Again we see the "hand extended" as a token of friendship & good will but as we Serbs have come to learn all to well, it's merely an illusion. Thanks Sir but no thanks. I'm still in the process of removing all the existing knives in my back without wishing for more.

If France really wanted to "help" Serbia, they'd annul their illegal recognition of the mafia state and call for the closing down of the Hague. They'd also stop interfering in the domestic affairs of Serbia and condemn the freeing of KLA war criminals.

Besnik, you are somewhat naive to think that Milosevic was responsible for the break up of Yugoslavia. Once communism collapsed the federation required a new constituion to make it governable. This though was simply not achievable through negotiation and agreement as Slovenia and Croatia decided their interests best lay in leaving the federation rather than working towards saving it. As both the USSR and Czechoslovakia separated at the same time there is no surprise that Yugoslavia did.

Of the six repulics only Slovenia's economy grew after 1991. The others slumped and only Croatia has reached its 1990 level since.

Serbia is actually in the top half of GDP by total size and per capita and no where near the "lowest on earth". In both respects it is higher than Albania which didn't endure any war or sanctions during the 1990s.

PJD,

Here is the list of the current GDP (per capita) for the Former Yugoslavia's provinces.

Serbia's GDP: $7,700
Croatia GDP: $15, 500
Slovenia's GDP: $27,300
Bosnia: $6,600
Macedonia's GDP: $8,400
Montenegro's GDP: $3, 600
Kosova's GDP: $1,800

The worlds average GDP is $10,000 per capita.
"Serbia is actually in the top half of GDP by total size and per capita and no where near the "lowest on earth"." is inaccurate.
This places Serbia's GDP to be below the average. Thus, it places Serbia's economy in the lowest ranks and not the top half.

"In both respects it is higher than Albania which didn't endure any war or sanctions during the 1990s."
I was not referring to Albania in my post. However, since you choose to mention it the GDP of Albania is $5,500 per capita. It is true it is a little lower than Serbia's. But if you account to what Serbia was and what it has become, there can be no comparison to Albania. Albania had its own problem with communism for 50 years (Serbia did not, Serbia prospered during that time). It is now that they (Albania) are learning the steps to a democratic nation and they will pretty soon join the EU. Since I am talking about Albania I will make this comparison. What Serbia needs to decide is if it wants to become like Albania in the Enever Hoxha's communist regime, totally isolated from the world (except Russia and China for some time until they too betrayed them), or join the EU and prosper. Kosova is a lost cause for Serbia, you have to agree on this, Kosova is only a subject for the battle of the Serbian parties between each other on who will get to govern Serbia. Its nothing more than that. No Serbian politician in the right mind will say that we support Kosova's independence right now, because if they do, they will loose votes and will not win. Mark my words that by 2010 Serbia itself will recognize Kosovo not because of pressure, but it will be in its best interests to do so.

When you said that Slovenia and Croatia wanted to separate rather than conserve the federation. That is not true, they broke up because of the Serbian excessive force to dominate Yugoslavia. That is why they got separated. The excessive force of domination was Milosevic's politics. You cannot count how many times Serbs wanted to eliminate Tito. Why? Because he was not a Serb!
Why didn't Tito ever visit Moscow, when they called him? But he always sent the Serbian representative there ;) Think on that.
The only place in the world where communism/socialism prospered was Yugoslavia. Why? Because Tito (4 years of education) was smart. When he died so did Yugoslavia with him. Milosevic took all the wrong decision and Serbian people approved those decisions. When you brake a glass you cannot put it together as it was again. Even Montenegro who has 30% Serb population didn't want to be ruled by Serbia, but it decided to go its own way. This shows you that your politics have big faults.

Monsieur Terral reminds me very much of a Vichy-era. He is just like Sarkozy and Kouchner, straight out of a Marie Antoinnette movie. France is a struggling nation.

Dear Brian,

Your own words prove my point!!!

"Milosevic was not a nationalist. That is propaganda.
Did he arm NEO-USTASHAS in Croatia?
Did he arm MUJAHADEEN in Bosnia?
Or Slovenian SEPARATISTS? "
You can add Kosovo's TERRORISTS ;)

So that leaves only Serbian people to be the saints of former Yugoslavia :-) I will have to re-think the meaning of nationalist!!!

Peace.

boys, get real, it´s simply stupid propaganda saying that Serbia´s "only way forward" is the way into the EU and recognizing (!) Kosovo...
Serbia, and that´s something no sound person will deny, is located in a strategically important area, center of the CEFTA-region, a western-based society ( with all it´s indices ) in contrast to the kanun-based clan-structures within the albanian society...so, please don´t waste your precious time with those useless attempts to paint a picture of the Serbs being a backward-society when it is quite the opposite!

instead of writing fairytales, my dear albanian friends, you should come to reason and get in touch with reality.

UNSC 1244 is in effect. time is on Serbia´s side, not mentioning law and moral.

so, my dear friends... here on this Soros-media-tool you can of course write such a nonsense... but you must be aware that you make fools of yourselves believing that.

and just one remark to this vassal who is "laughing" ...

my dear, the US won´t stay forever! ...in the meantime, go and ask the Kurdish people whether they still have trust in american assurances... ;)

you still live in an illusion, and do not realize that you´re being duped.

you will wake up, that´s for sure.

Jovan,

If you can prove to me how Serbia made forward steps in their economy in the last 25 years you will have me convinced.
USA will stay in Kosova for at least the next two centuries ;) They would not have build its largest base there if they were to leave. Get real :)
Unfortunate for Kurdistan is a different story USA doesn't have a base in Turkey ;)
Not to mention USA will be selling arms to Kosova and with equal forces even if Serbia wanted to wage war against Kosova they will not win.

@Besnik: Just wondering where you got your economic facts for # 24. I missed that info.

Also, you seem to think the USA is in Kosovo to stay and will be making huge investments into the area. Quite frankly I'm sure they will assist the Albanians in Kosovo, but I'm not sure what kind of long term interest they actually have there.

You see things are not so great in the USA, and people are starting to really wonder if we can afford the foreign interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo.

In short, this isn't your father's America any more. If it were they'd probably be supporting the Serbs anyway, so don't count your $ before they hatch.

wrong, Besnik, wrong...

but, I cannot blame you for believing this...since you desperately depend on the US...

what else should you write here, right?

perhaps the US will stay another 1000 years? lol

believe whatever you want...

Serbia will be there, and you can bet your ... on it, Kosovo will very likely be liberated.

it´s only a question of time...

Besnik, Are you proud that the US will be in Kosovo for the next two centuries? Where is your Albanian national pride? Where is your sense of national self-liberation if such a concept can be applied in this case? Do you realize that not one Arab/Muslim country has recognized Kosovo apart from Afganistan/Turkey (correct me if it has changed)? They see you as a lackey and a stooge. The Muslim world is embarrassed with all this American flag waving. It really is disgusting. As for the EU, well I was always a Serb for the EU but I can't see how that is feasible. Not after everything the US and EU have done to Serbia.
As Bob Dylan sings 'The times they are a changing' and the US is losing.

But Sir, France has done so much already!

@Klinsman,
The economic facts were from the CIA fact Book. Google it online and you will get it.
For the USA Kosova is a small country, but if you know how strategies of big countries work you would understand why they would stay there. The USA gains a strategic position in Kosova and they will not let it go. Do you know that for the first time in the history of the world a big country helped a small one from their oppressor? This was the case in Kosova. You cannot find another example in the whole history of the world when that had happened.
Not one USA solider died in Kosova, 4000 died in Iraq. USA soldiers were welcomed with flowers in Kosova and with suicide bombers in Iraq. Granted that Iraq has oil, but Kosova is very rich with minerals as well. However, that is not the reason why USA decided to bomb Belgrade and enter Kosova. They went in because they helped Albania in 1912 and they did the same for Kosova in 2007. They are our friends and its strategically important that they have a military base in Kosova. No wonder Bondsteel is even bigger than Aviano in Italy. I have no problem USA being in Kosova, as long as people are free there. Because before they were not. Strategies like these are drawn out 50 years in advance for those who understand strategies of big countries.

@Milan,
I am not a nationalist as some of you are here. By being proud nationalists you destroyed Yugoslavia.
I just wish the best for Kosova. We could not self-liberate because we were not even close with the military arsenal that Belgrade had. We are no way linked to Arab countries, we are in Europe the last time I checked. The problems that the Muslim world have with USA are not ours. USA is our friend. Within two months at least 30 new countries in that area will recognize Kosova, because that is what they have said yesterday. We are proud to wave the flag of the country that helped us liberate from tyranny of Milosevic's politics. If you find it disgusting so be it, I find it rather entertaining. The last time I checked the USA is the only superpower and not one country is even close to that ... not even close. So maybe after 500-1000 years times will change ;) But unfortunately me and you Milane will not be here to see it :)

Peace to you all.

Your Excellency, we are not expecting anything from TODAY'S France. Please, join Your Chief Bernard Kouchner in taking coffee from a coffee machine. While another ambassador was talking his stance on Kosovo at a press conference, A cup of coffee was more interesting to Minister Kouchner.
We are looking forward to some DIFFERENT, GREAT France led by great people.
Vera

Besnik, I'm just curious how the USA helped out ALbania in 1912. Please let me know. I'm aware that Albania proper was created by Italy/AUstro-Hungary and now Kosovo was made by the US so that makes 2 Albanian states made by outside powers. Do the Albanians have a genetic deficiency in creating their own states? Sorry that was personal. I just don't understand 1912 and the US role.

As for being branded a nationalist and Serbs being the sole guilty party in the destruction of Yugoslavia this claim is a little old and to any serious scholar not worthy of mention. The Croats had by far been more antagonistic and hostile to Yugoslavia than the Serbs. As for the ALbanians nothing ever satisfied you not autonomy and neither will this fraudulent independence. Congratulations the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia has recognised Kosova.

Every time the EU says it wants to help Serbia they pour slop on the ground and expect Serbs to get down on their hands and knees and lick it up.

Americans accused of war crimes in Iraq were NOT turned over to the Hague. They were tried by U. S. military courts. Serbians charged with war crimes should be tried by a military court in Serbia. Not in the Hague kangaroo court.

Stay strong Serbia and elect leaders that are Pro-Serbia and not EU sycophants.

"Kosovo is country of all the people they live in it not just for Albanians and is going to be there for as long as the world exists."

So your trying to say that world is going to end pretty soon? You know we see this kosovo independence as same as when kosovo was occupied by the turks.