U.S. analyst: Recognition "not as expected"

All of this could have been avoided had the State Department and certain individuals in Washington not pursued a drunk driving approach to Kosovo's controversial independence. Had a full peace treaty been worked out with Serbia, had generous compensation been offered to Belgrade, or at the very least the ability to engage in joint-sovereignty of the region been entertained, had enough concessions been made to facilitate a UN resolution, the region would have achieved the stability it's witch-doctors were predicting. Sadly, this is just another in a growing list of American unilateral adventures in folly.

All in all, perhaps just about 50 countries will recognize Kosovo, out of the 192 UN members, which is not even one-third, and this certainly is not significant support, despite U.S. international lobbying for the independence of Kosovo," Zavales was quoted.

With a percentage of recognition in the region of 26% of the countries of the world i cannot honestly imagine how kosovo will develop without its connection with Serbia.Iam afraid that both EU & US will have to support it for many years.If for some reason the financial support is not forthcoming then we'll
probably see attempts by the albanians to destabilise the regional countries that have sufficient numbers of them.The omens for future regional developments don't look promising.

To all you pro-independence posters who are struggling for recognition, I throw Montenegro in your faces. Montenegro split off from Serbia with mutual consent and was recognized by all 192 countries and entered the UN in 3 weeks! This was because all of it was NEGOTIATED - a word that is not in the albanian language. So there.

"Washington by all means is going to win this and it is as we speak because the International law is on the American side, serbs and russians both know it.

People, stop playing with the minds and hearts of serbs who want to have a better future.


Have a good day!
(american, 23 March 2008 14:17) "

I guess you mean the same way Washington has given a better future to the people of Iraq.

The country a shambles & over 1,000,000 people dead & counting..

Way to go america.

1) Get your facts right. It is Kosovo NOT Kosova. NO country recognized Kosova!
2) The U.S. and countries that recognized Kosovo are in violation of 1244. Hence the reason the U.S. is blocking all discussion on the matter in the Security Council.
3) Until Kosovo receives a majority vote at the UN and takes a seat in the UN body the independent country of Kosovo does not exist.

american

"Washington by all means is going to win this ......"

This unfortunate planet of ours is littered with the corpses of the innocents who fell in one American attempt after another to "win this".

From the fields of Vietnam and Cambodia, to the villages of El Salvador and Nicaragua, to the towns of Afghanistan and Iraq, the dead pile up in their millions as Washington writes the words "we will win this" in letters of blood across the globe.

let´s just see how long it takes, until reason prevails.

seems like some will have to realize something quite uncomfortable, some day.

as I continue saying...

let´s just see what future brings!

to the albanian pretending to be "american":

first of all, spare your poison for your own fellows.. and last but not least,

if you do not know it, better stay quiet! international law on the american side???

how informed these kids must be to write such a nonsense...

B92 at it´s best, time and again.

"Do you get my point? America had to wait 36 years (War of 1812) to get recognized by Great Britain. Let's see where Kosova is in 2044 than let's speculate.
(KS, 23 March 2008, 16:24)"

KS, are you really comparing "kosova" to USA???

Well I guess you are technicly somehow correct, more and more people in USA live in poverty after the subprime mess, but sofar its far from "kosova" albanians...

Dear B92,

You describe Zavales as a "US analyst", but a more accurate description would be a lobbyist for Serbia, given his connections to the Serb Unity Congress.

Posting his opinion, like those of Stratfor etc. is known as "cherry-picking" when you chose information or intelligence to suit your own predisposition. Like with Cheney, Wolfowitz and the stories of WMD in Iraq.

It's sad to see, B92 staff should no better.

Fergus

John Zavales, a greek-american is a member of Serbian Unity group in DC with hardly any knowledge of the current events. I am very familiar with his work and I happen to know him personally.
He's giving his opinion. He does not work for any government entity nor has any knowledge to it. It's his personal opinion.

Is he right? ...Looking the big picture, no.
Kosovo is Independent. The new reality.
Two things, he is missing:
Taiwan's pro-china policy party won. China and Taiwan are going to get very close. Cypruss greeks and turks have decided to sit down and resolve their issues. India is sending its special envoy to speak with Kashmiris.

Kosovars will prevail in the end.
Washington by all means is going to win this and it is as we speak because the International law is on the American side, serbs and russians both know it.

People, stop playing with the minds and hearts of serbs who want to have a better future.


Have a good day!

Well let me seriously put that in doubt. This John Zavales predicted 2 years ago that the West would have to apply some copnvincing force, to force the Albanians to integrate in Serbia.

It is however very interesting that US analysts with Slav or Greek surnames (in this occasion Zavales is a grecized Turkish word, which means something like "poor") always have negative analysis on the Kosovo issue. Without trying to be prejudicial, is there any link between the two facts? Something wrong in the melting pot with Slavic and Greek ancestries?

Kosova already has been recognized by most democratic countries,which is one big plus when you compare to other partial regognized countries.Expected very soon Kosova will have regognision by many OIC member contries and many Africans states.Expected the number will grow to at least 2/3 of 192 UN countries.The number will grow further in future once those contries who opose Kosova recognision they find politics boring and they will bring new statements regarding new status.
We all know from experience that many states are friends for many years and than they become a enemy to each other.
Kosova will survive even as it is at the moment,need a economic grow to meet at least basic needs of its citizens.As for standard of living Kosova allways has depended on its citizens living abroad where millions of pounds/euro go to Kosovo every day.

Yeah..right..wasnt this guy who back in 2004 said support for Kosovo indpendence was missing? If he is an analyst he shouldnt let his personal wishes corroborate evidence..otherwise..just a piece of wishful thinking!

We should use the term "democratic countries" for a group of countries that are willing to break every law from the book to ethnically cleanse and steal a piece of land. So, instead of writing this cumbersome sentence again in the future to label those countries you just say "democratic countries". We have already gotten one more word that is shortening sentences: bushism. With this trend I expect that "dictatorship" will be a more positive word than "democracy" in about 30 years.

Since when is joining an international club mean statehood? If UN disbands tomorrow does it mean that member countries are no long countries? Let's be real, the Holy see is recognized as a sovereign state but it is not a UN country. Israel is a UN country but over 35 countries do not recognize it, etc etc.

Do you get my point? America had to wait 36 years (War of 1812) to get recognized by Great Britain. Let's see where Kosova is in 2044 than let's speculate.

1) Get your facts right. It is Kosovo NOT Kosova. NO country recognized Kosova!
poster No.10

My facts are right.I am sure most of the posters agree with me.Inside Kosova is know as Kosova. Kosovo is know from foreigners.

November 18, 2004. John Zavales: Support for Kosovo independence falling.

There is less international support for Kosovo independence now than there was five years ago, political analyst John Zavales said today.

Every thing this Zavales guy writes he adds in there "I am an independent consultant"... "I am independent".

Ok Zavales, we believe you.

"Zavales said that the unilateral declaration will have consequences on the secessionist movements in the world, and quoted Spain's concerns over the Basque region, and the concerns of Turkey, Iraq and Syria over their Kurdish minority. Zavales added that "there are also the cases of Nagorno Karabakh, Abkhasia and South Ossetia"

All good news of course (I'm serious). And let's add, hopefully, Peurto Rico, Chechnya, Palestine, and, if demographic and other trends continue, northern Ireland joining Ireland.

Kosova already has been recognized by most democratic countries,which is one big plus when you compare to other partial regognized countries.Expected very soon Kosova will have regognision by many OIC member contries and many Africans states.Expected the number will grow to at least 2/3 of 192 UN countries.The number will grow further in future once those contries who opose Kosova recognision they find politics boring and they will bring new statements regarding new status.
We all know from experience that many states are friends for many years and than they become a enemy to each other.
Kosova will survive even as it is at the moment,need a economic grow to meet at least basic needs of its citizens.As for standard of living Kosova allways has depended on its citizens living abroad where millions of pounds/euro go to Kosovo every day.

John Zavales, a greek-american is a member of Serbian Unity group in DC with hardly any knowledge of the current events. I am very familiar with his work and I happen to know him personally.
He's giving his opinion. He does not work for any government entity nor has any knowledge to it. It's his personal opinion.

Is he right? ...Looking the big picture, no.
Kosovo is Independent. The new reality.
Two things, he is missing:
Taiwan's pro-china policy party won. China and Taiwan are going to get very close. Cypruss greeks and turks have decided to sit down and resolve their issues. India is sending its special envoy to speak with Kashmiris.

Kosovars will prevail in the end.
Washington by all means is going to win this and it is as we speak because the International law is on the American side, serbs and russians both know it.

People, stop playing with the minds and hearts of serbs who want to have a better future.


Have a good day!

Yeah..right..wasnt this guy who back in 2004 said support for Kosovo indpendence was missing? If he is an analyst he shouldnt let his personal wishes corroborate evidence..otherwise..just a piece of wishful thinking!

Well let me seriously put that in doubt. This John Zavales predicted 2 years ago that the West would have to apply some copnvincing force, to force the Albanians to integrate in Serbia.

It is however very interesting that US analysts with Slav or Greek surnames (in this occasion Zavales is a grecized Turkish word, which means something like "poor") always have negative analysis on the Kosovo issue. Without trying to be prejudicial, is there any link between the two facts? Something wrong in the melting pot with Slavic and Greek ancestries?

Dear B92,

You describe Zavales as a "US analyst", but a more accurate description would be a lobbyist for Serbia, given his connections to the Serb Unity Congress.

Posting his opinion, like those of Stratfor etc. is known as "cherry-picking" when you chose information or intelligence to suit your own predisposition. Like with Cheney, Wolfowitz and the stories of WMD in Iraq.

It's sad to see, B92 staff should no better.

Fergus

Since when is joining an international club mean statehood? If UN disbands tomorrow does it mean that member countries are no long countries? Let's be real, the Holy see is recognized as a sovereign state but it is not a UN country. Israel is a UN country but over 35 countries do not recognize it, etc etc.

Do you get my point? America had to wait 36 years (War of 1812) to get recognized by Great Britain. Let's see where Kosova is in 2044 than let's speculate.

1) Get your facts right. It is Kosovo NOT Kosova. NO country recognized Kosova!
poster No.10

My facts are right.I am sure most of the posters agree with me.Inside Kosova is know as Kosova. Kosovo is know from foreigners.

let´s just see how long it takes, until reason prevails.

seems like some will have to realize something quite uncomfortable, some day.

as I continue saying...

let´s just see what future brings!

All in all, perhaps just about 50 countries will recognize Kosovo, out of the 192 UN members, which is not even one-third, and this certainly is not significant support, despite U.S. international lobbying for the independence of Kosovo," Zavales was quoted.

With a percentage of recognition in the region of 26% of the countries of the world i cannot honestly imagine how kosovo will develop without its connection with Serbia.Iam afraid that both EU & US will have to support it for many years.If for some reason the financial support is not forthcoming then we'll
probably see attempts by the albanians to destabilise the regional countries that have sufficient numbers of them.The omens for future regional developments don't look promising.

1) Get your facts right. It is Kosovo NOT Kosova. NO country recognized Kosova!
2) The U.S. and countries that recognized Kosovo are in violation of 1244. Hence the reason the U.S. is blocking all discussion on the matter in the Security Council.
3) Until Kosovo receives a majority vote at the UN and takes a seat in the UN body the independent country of Kosovo does not exist.

to the albanian pretending to be "american":

first of all, spare your poison for your own fellows.. and last but not least,

if you do not know it, better stay quiet! international law on the american side???

how informed these kids must be to write such a nonsense...

B92 at it´s best, time and again.

To all you pro-independence posters who are struggling for recognition, I throw Montenegro in your faces. Montenegro split off from Serbia with mutual consent and was recognized by all 192 countries and entered the UN in 3 weeks! This was because all of it was NEGOTIATED - a word that is not in the albanian language. So there.

All of this could have been avoided had the State Department and certain individuals in Washington not pursued a drunk driving approach to Kosovo's controversial independence. Had a full peace treaty been worked out with Serbia, had generous compensation been offered to Belgrade, or at the very least the ability to engage in joint-sovereignty of the region been entertained, had enough concessions been made to facilitate a UN resolution, the region would have achieved the stability it's witch-doctors were predicting. Sadly, this is just another in a growing list of American unilateral adventures in folly.

"Washington by all means is going to win this and it is as we speak because the International law is on the American side, serbs and russians both know it.

People, stop playing with the minds and hearts of serbs who want to have a better future.


Have a good day!
(american, 23 March 2008 14:17) "

I guess you mean the same way Washington has given a better future to the people of Iraq.

The country a shambles & over 1,000,000 people dead & counting..

Way to go america.

"Do you get my point? America had to wait 36 years (War of 1812) to get recognized by Great Britain. Let's see where Kosova is in 2044 than let's speculate.
(KS, 23 March 2008, 16:24)"

KS, are you really comparing "kosova" to USA???

Well I guess you are technicly somehow correct, more and more people in USA live in poverty after the subprime mess, but sofar its far from "kosova" albanians...

american

"Washington by all means is going to win this ......"

This unfortunate planet of ours is littered with the corpses of the innocents who fell in one American attempt after another to "win this".

From the fields of Vietnam and Cambodia, to the villages of El Salvador and Nicaragua, to the towns of Afghanistan and Iraq, the dead pile up in their millions as Washington writes the words "we will win this" in letters of blood across the globe.

November 18, 2004. John Zavales: Support for Kosovo independence falling.

There is less international support for Kosovo independence now than there was five years ago, political analyst John Zavales said today.

Every thing this Zavales guy writes he adds in there "I am an independent consultant"... "I am independent".

Ok Zavales, we believe you.

We should use the term "democratic countries" for a group of countries that are willing to break every law from the book to ethnically cleanse and steal a piece of land. So, instead of writing this cumbersome sentence again in the future to label those countries you just say "democratic countries". We have already gotten one more word that is shortening sentences: bushism. With this trend I expect that "dictatorship" will be a more positive word than "democracy" in about 30 years.

"Zavales said that the unilateral declaration will have consequences on the secessionist movements in the world, and quoted Spain's concerns over the Basque region, and the concerns of Turkey, Iraq and Syria over their Kurdish minority. Zavales added that "there are also the cases of Nagorno Karabakh, Abkhasia and South Ossetia"

All good news of course (I'm serious). And let's add, hopefully, Peurto Rico, Chechnya, Palestine, and, if demographic and other trends continue, northern Ireland joining Ireland.