Macedonian govt. crisis escalating

Ahmed; stop fanning the flames of hatred with your alarmist posts! Gruevski is a professional politician who does not give in to Albanian demands/ threats, unlike Albanian political parties who in their minds, have no other option than childish game playing with not an iota of respect for the state that feeds them.

Actually, you know well, that the Macedonians have given the Albanians everything stipulated in the Ohrid Agreement, so stop playing dumb; you know as well as we do that the Agreement did not satisfy the Albanian appetite, and that a new round of demands/blackmail are in question, to which no sane Macedonian politician would agree, as it would set our state up to be split first into a "federation", and then separation and glorious union with Greater Albania! The whole "Albanian rights" bit is really tired; why don't you give us all a break?

At the recent commemoration of fallen UCK "heroes" from the 2001 conflict, Ahmeti honoured the dead fighters for their efforts in bringing the Albanians "shoulder to shoulder" with all other citizens of the country!!? My question is, why do you feel so far below everyone else?

All I have to say is that Albanians will just as in Serbia rip Makedonia into pieces. Good Luck.

Ahmed, Why does every host country have to give in to Albanian demands? If they don't then what? KLA all over again. Also, the Albanians in Kosovo and in Macedonia are all nationalists. You can't deny that. Willy Nilly, lets not start pounding our chest's now, Because you and I both know that if it weren't for NATO bailing out the Albanians on both fronts, well you get the picture.

Ahmed, just look at comment #6, that proves my point. Willy Nilly, I'm sure that the Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks and the Montenagrans are counting down the days for that time to come. And that time will come sooner or latter. So enjoy the protecion you get from NATO, and the US.

You know. . .I just have to laugh at some of these comments.

Doni, I'm curious about this new Albanian-Greco co-operation. . .please provide us with more details. . .we're waiting with bated breath!

So are you suggesting that the Greeks will sell-out the Serbs who they share the same religion and the same history of persecution from the same enemies to gain favor from the economic powerhouse known as Albania? Come on. . .

Now let's talk about Montenegro. In fact, they're the 'biggest' Serbs among the tribe! Remember Milosevic and Karadzic? Crno Gorci!

So a word of advise to our Albanian friends. . .do not try your classic 'provoke & whine' strategy there. . .you do not want to agitate those Serbs.

In addition to Greece and Montenegro, do you understand that we share the same culture and religion as the Macedonians and Bulgarians? The same religion as the Cypriots and Romanians and 40% of Bosna is Serbian? Oh. . .and let's not forget about Big Mama, Russia. . .she's a little richer now and itching to reassert her influence in the region.

Don't believe me that these countries are Serbia's friends? How many of the aforementioned have recognized "kosova's" independence? Give up? ZERO.

So Doni. . .since you made me laugh with your suggestions. . .allow me to return the favour. Do you know what's really funny? That you're placing all your trust on Christian colonialists that seek only to exploit your people and resources. You know what else is funny? Of the 57 Moslem countries in the world, only 4 have recognized "kosova's" independence. . .Albania, Afghanistan, Turkey and mighty Senegal! Four!

Now that's funny!

You see. . .the remaining Moslem countries understand that kosova's independence is an instrument to further U.S. interests only. In due time you'll realize this as well. . .America has no friends, just interests!

Instead of applying the Ohrid agreement Gruevski makes offensive statements about DPA as working for the interests of Kosovo & Greece.
The provisoes of the Ohrid agreement are quite clear.
4.2Laws regulating employment in public administration will include public measures to assure equitable representation of communities in all central and local public bodies at all levels of employment.

6.5 Any language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population is also an official language,as set forth herein.

7.1 With respect to emblems,
next to emblem of the republic of macedonia,local authorities will be free to place on front of local public buildings emblems marking the identity of the community in the majority in the municipality,respecting intrnational rules and usages.
It's not the Albanians who try to rock the boat but Gruevski and his VMRO party.
As to date none of the provisoes above has been implemented.

Ahmed, Why does every host country have to give in to Albanian demands? If they don't then what? KLA all over again. Also, the Albanians in Kosovo and in Macedonia are all nationalists. You can't deny that. Willy Nilly, lets not start pounding our chest's now, Because you and I both know that if it weren't for NATO bailing out the Albanians on both fronts, well you get the picture.
(Delije, 17 March 2008 18:37)

Reference: Europe a History
By Norman Davies
Ref:Kosovo a short history.
By Noel Malcolm
Read these two books and you will find out who is the host
and who is the visitor.

Right John, just as Albanians have been ripped to pieces in the past. Albanians will be a force to be reckoned with as you will see

Are these two propagandists your only source of information? Read more.

For understanding of wars of the 90’s I suggest Diana Johnstone’s “The Fools crusade”, or for example former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia: http://www.deltax.net/bis

Doni: Evan though the article is about Macedonia, you chose to take a shot at Serbia. Otherwise it was very difficult to understand your points.

Everyone should pay attention to Ahmed's # 10. He references two revisionists, and is basically saying the land is all theirs. Honestly, I didn't think the Albanians would make this type of play in Macedonia so soon.

Ahmed; stop fanning the flames of hatred with your alarmist posts! Gruevski is a professional politician who does not give in to Albanian demands/ threats, unlike Albanian political parties who in their minds, have no other option than childish game playing with not an iota of respect for the state that feeds them.

Actually, you know well, that the Macedonians have given the Albanians everything stipulated in the Ohrid Agreement, so stop playing dumb; you know as well as we do that the Agreement did not satisfy the Albanian appetite, and that a new round of demands/blackmail are in question, to which no sane Macedonian politician would agree, as it would set our state up to be split first into a "federation", and then separation and glorious union with Greater Albania! The whole "Albanian rights" bit is really tired; why don't you give us all a break?

At the recent commemoration of fallen UCK "heroes" from the 2001 conflict, Ahmeti honoured the dead fighters for their efforts in bringing the Albanians "shoulder to shoulder" with all other citizens of the country!!? My question is, why do you feel so far below everyone else?
(Dimitar, 17 March 2008 14:59

Unlike your comments my posting is concentrating on the issues.We cannot stand by when the primeminister Mr Gruevski is accusing us of being agents of foreign powers.You only have to read the comments posted by slavs and you can see what do they feel towards Albanians.Nationalism,Dimitar
is the gutter of human behavior.It has no place in todays Europe.This the body that Gruevski wants to join.As far as iam concerned,
i know that Kosova will become a member of NATO and the EU in the near future.Macedonia is a huge bet and iam not a gambling man.

Ahmed; why is Macedonian and Serbian nationalism bad, but Albanian nationalism good? We, in trying to prevent our countries' destruction are branded as immoral, and yet the drive by Albanians to destroy our historic lands are applauded!? Ethics know no racial boundaries, how about becoming a little more universal in your outlook?

this news is not true Aliu said:i`m albanian i work for kosovo because we have same blood , same language and same flag also i work for ...merkel..bush..etc

Greece sold Serbia for the name, and is coordinating with Albania on other issues regarding common good.

I it is really amusing to read some posters here on B92 these days.

Ok. It seems that I am either absolutely ignorant of what is happening in my country, or I really live on another planet.
How on earth did Greece sell Serbia for albania? I mean, just give me one (1) argument to support this and an example please. Because I have a totally different view on this issue and i think everyone in this world can see the same thing as i do.
Exept of the propagandists and the fyromians.

# 8

Greece sold Serbia for the name, and is coordinating with Albania on other issues regarding common good. So, Macedonia slavs who feel a little confused and nostalgic about their serbian/slav roots will undergo a reality check up and will comply soon, and may loose the name issue if they be too stuborned.
Montenegro, never mention it.
So, that leaves serbia with no friends in the neighborhood. Just the Russians your "friends"

Ahmed; stop fanning the flames of hatred with your alarmist posts! Gruevski is a professional politician who does not give in to Albanian demands/ threats, unlike Albanian political parties who in their minds, have no other option than childish game playing with not an iota of respect for the state that feeds them.

Actually, you know well, that the Macedonians have given the Albanians everything stipulated in the Ohrid Agreement, so stop playing dumb; you know as well as we do that the Agreement did not satisfy the Albanian appetite, and that a new round of demands/blackmail are in question, to which no sane Macedonian politician would agree, as it would set our state up to be split first into a "federation", and then separation and glorious union with Greater Albania! The whole "Albanian rights" bit is really tired; why don't you give us all a break?

At the recent commemoration of fallen UCK "heroes" from the 2001 conflict, Ahmeti honoured the dead fighters for their efforts in bringing the Albanians "shoulder to shoulder" with all other citizens of the country!!? My question is, why do you feel so far below everyone else?
(Dimitar, 17 March 2008 14:59

Unlike your comments my posting is concentrating on the issues.We cannot stand by when the primeminister Mr Gruevski is accusing us of being agents of foreign powers.You only have to read the comments posted by slavs and you can see what do they feel towards Albanians.Nationalism,Dimitar
is the gutter of human behavior.It has no place in todays Europe.This the body that Gruevski wants to join.As far as iam concerned,
i know that Kosova will become a member of NATO and the EU in the near future.Macedonia is a huge bet and iam not a gambling man.

Instead of applying the Ohrid agreement Gruevski makes offensive statements about DPA as working for the interests of Kosovo & Greece.
The provisoes of the Ohrid agreement are quite clear.
4.2Laws regulating employment in public administration will include public measures to assure equitable representation of communities in all central and local public bodies at all levels of employment.

6.5 Any language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population is also an official language,as set forth herein.

7.1 With respect to emblems,
next to emblem of the republic of macedonia,local authorities will be free to place on front of local public buildings emblems marking the identity of the community in the majority in the municipality,respecting intrnational rules and usages.
It's not the Albanians who try to rock the boat but Gruevski and his VMRO party.
As to date none of the provisoes above has been implemented.

Right John, just as Albanians have been ripped to pieces in the past. Albanians will be a force to be reckoned with as you will see

# 8

Greece sold Serbia for the name, and is coordinating with Albania on other issues regarding common good. So, Macedonia slavs who feel a little confused and nostalgic about their serbian/slav roots will undergo a reality check up and will comply soon, and may loose the name issue if they be too stuborned.
Montenegro, never mention it.
So, that leaves serbia with no friends in the neighborhood. Just the Russians your "friends"

Ahmed, Why does every host country have to give in to Albanian demands? If they don't then what? KLA all over again. Also, the Albanians in Kosovo and in Macedonia are all nationalists. You can't deny that. Willy Nilly, lets not start pounding our chest's now, Because you and I both know that if it weren't for NATO bailing out the Albanians on both fronts, well you get the picture.
(Delije, 17 March 2008 18:37)

Reference: Europe a History
By Norman Davies
Ref:Kosovo a short history.
By Noel Malcolm
Read these two books and you will find out who is the host
and who is the visitor.

Ahmed; stop fanning the flames of hatred with your alarmist posts! Gruevski is a professional politician who does not give in to Albanian demands/ threats, unlike Albanian political parties who in their minds, have no other option than childish game playing with not an iota of respect for the state that feeds them.

Actually, you know well, that the Macedonians have given the Albanians everything stipulated in the Ohrid Agreement, so stop playing dumb; you know as well as we do that the Agreement did not satisfy the Albanian appetite, and that a new round of demands/blackmail are in question, to which no sane Macedonian politician would agree, as it would set our state up to be split first into a "federation", and then separation and glorious union with Greater Albania! The whole "Albanian rights" bit is really tired; why don't you give us all a break?

At the recent commemoration of fallen UCK "heroes" from the 2001 conflict, Ahmeti honoured the dead fighters for their efforts in bringing the Albanians "shoulder to shoulder" with all other citizens of the country!!? My question is, why do you feel so far below everyone else?

Ahmed, Why does every host country have to give in to Albanian demands? If they don't then what? KLA all over again. Also, the Albanians in Kosovo and in Macedonia are all nationalists. You can't deny that. Willy Nilly, lets not start pounding our chest's now, Because you and I both know that if it weren't for NATO bailing out the Albanians on both fronts, well you get the picture.

All I have to say is that Albanians will just as in Serbia rip Makedonia into pieces. Good Luck.

Ahmed, just look at comment #6, that proves my point. Willy Nilly, I'm sure that the Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks and the Montenagrans are counting down the days for that time to come. And that time will come sooner or latter. So enjoy the protecion you get from NATO, and the US.

this news is not true Aliu said:i`m albanian i work for kosovo because we have same blood , same language and same flag also i work for ...merkel..bush..etc

You know. . .I just have to laugh at some of these comments.

Doni, I'm curious about this new Albanian-Greco co-operation. . .please provide us with more details. . .we're waiting with bated breath!

So are you suggesting that the Greeks will sell-out the Serbs who they share the same religion and the same history of persecution from the same enemies to gain favor from the economic powerhouse known as Albania? Come on. . .

Now let's talk about Montenegro. In fact, they're the 'biggest' Serbs among the tribe! Remember Milosevic and Karadzic? Crno Gorci!

So a word of advise to our Albanian friends. . .do not try your classic 'provoke & whine' strategy there. . .you do not want to agitate those Serbs.

In addition to Greece and Montenegro, do you understand that we share the same culture and religion as the Macedonians and Bulgarians? The same religion as the Cypriots and Romanians and 40% of Bosna is Serbian? Oh. . .and let's not forget about Big Mama, Russia. . .she's a little richer now and itching to reassert her influence in the region.

Don't believe me that these countries are Serbia's friends? How many of the aforementioned have recognized "kosova's" independence? Give up? ZERO.

So Doni. . .since you made me laugh with your suggestions. . .allow me to return the favour. Do you know what's really funny? That you're placing all your trust on Christian colonialists that seek only to exploit your people and resources. You know what else is funny? Of the 57 Moslem countries in the world, only 4 have recognized "kosova's" independence. . .Albania, Afghanistan, Turkey and mighty Senegal! Four!

Now that's funny!

You see. . .the remaining Moslem countries understand that kosova's independence is an instrument to further U.S. interests only. In due time you'll realize this as well. . .America has no friends, just interests!

Doni: Evan though the article is about Macedonia, you chose to take a shot at Serbia. Otherwise it was very difficult to understand your points.

Everyone should pay attention to Ahmed's # 10. He references two revisionists, and is basically saying the land is all theirs. Honestly, I didn't think the Albanians would make this type of play in Macedonia so soon.

Are these two propagandists your only source of information? Read more.

For understanding of wars of the 90’s I suggest Diana Johnstone’s “The Fools crusade”, or for example former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia: http://www.deltax.net/bis

Ahmed; why is Macedonian and Serbian nationalism bad, but Albanian nationalism good? We, in trying to prevent our countries' destruction are branded as immoral, and yet the drive by Albanians to destroy our historic lands are applauded!? Ethics know no racial boundaries, how about becoming a little more universal in your outlook?

Greece sold Serbia for the name, and is coordinating with Albania on other issues regarding common good.

I it is really amusing to read some posters here on B92 these days.

Ok. It seems that I am either absolutely ignorant of what is happening in my country, or I really live on another planet.
How on earth did Greece sell Serbia for albania? I mean, just give me one (1) argument to support this and an example please. Because I have a totally different view on this issue and i think everyone in this world can see the same thing as i do.
Exept of the propagandists and the fyromians.