Kosovo Serb leader consults NATO, UNMIK chiefs

femi, wrote:

"In 2004, 20 people were killed, 9 of which were Albanians.

In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people.

Big difference."

I like how you worded this, typical. But allow me to clarify your propaganda for you.

- "In 2004, 20 people were killed, 9 of which were Albanians." This is true, and all of the Albanians that were killed were killed by NATO because they were uncontrollably trying to kill the remaining Serbs. They were warned and when they didn't heed the warning Nato had to do their job and protect the innocent.

- "In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people." In 1998 the deaths on ALL sides was 2,000 this included HUNDREDS of Police Officers, Mailmen, ordinary civilians Serbs and Albanians that the KLA targeted to threaten anyone who opposes their goals and use of violence. Their objective was to force a response from Belgrade. When that response came and the KLA was defeated in every confrontation Nato intervened for their own geopolitical goals. Thats when the real killing started. On all sides. Not every victim was Albanian as you state. That 10,000 figure includes all civilian and military deaths. Nato states they killed over 5,000 Serb military in the air strikes alone.

So yeah, i guess you can say BIG DIFFERENCE!

Comic hopes no repeat of 2004.

In 2004, 20 people were killed, 9 of which were Albanians.

In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people.

Big difference.

Let's put troops up there to control the illegal entering of weapons from Belgrade into Mitrovica and protect what's left of those Albanians in there.

Unfortunately, sidi, that little piece of paper is worth more than a de facto sovereignty or illegally declared independence. That little piece of paper is the sole reason civilization has made it to where it is today. It represents our legal systems and the fact that they should be upheld without question, otherwise humanity spirals down into an abyss of tyranny and violence.

If the west, nato, and the EU recognize kosovo as sovereign, then fie upon your law and the means by which you hold on to it. This illegal action would no doubt justify the serbs in any retaliatory action. It would also justify anything else that the taliban or al-kaida did the USA. If 9/11 isn't a good enough reminder, then I don't know what is.

Femi you are living in a fantasy world and not reality. 10,000 people in 1999, dude. Probably 10,000 on both sides. UNMIK verfied 2,000 and if you were there Femi for the 10,000 that were killed show proof. No proof no crime. KLA was beaten, Nato provide Air Support but the KLA could not advance so stalemate until UN made a deal with Serbia 1244 and the Serb Forces left they were not driven from Kosovo. After convincing the KLA soon to be PM Thaci sign the agreeent. People seem to forget that.

"In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people."

There is no concrete evidence to support this claim.

Sidi: The boundary of demarcation is a suggestion to protect Serbian communities from Albanians. Interesting observation you make linking territorial claims with ethnic population. Greece, Macedonia, and Montenegro beware!

Femi: How many other years shall we cite besides 1999? There are plenty of Serbian casualties from the past to blame Albanians for.

Therefore, let's stay in the present. In that context, it's very obvious, why Serbian leaders in Kosovo are in consultations about their security issues.

Notice how this Oliver guy wants to form ghetto's for Serbs. He wants demarcation lines (barbed wire) to surround Serb enclaves. Then they blame the Albanians for creating ghettos. This guy is asking UMIK to do it for them. But let me tell you something. How long do you think 1000 Serbs will last in an ocean of Albanians? 10 years at the most? Their kids will not want to stay there when they grown up...Let's face it...whether Serbia likes it or not, it's only claim to Kosovo rests on a yellow piece of paper in its archives. In reality Albanians dominate every aspect of Kosovo.

Femi, it was not 10,000 in 1999. It annoys me that b92 allows such fallacies to be said. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of the ethnic cleansing and killing in 1999 happened AFTER the bombing started, as a logical consequence of the bombing that the US state department predicted. You see, the west accused us of genocide because we did not want to become another banana republic. We are not the problem. Proof of that is Vojvodina.

KS, why not stop the hordes of weapons that came from Albania? Why not destroy those places that had KLA training sites inside of Albania, not far from the border.

But anyways, it is vitally important to preserve our enclaves in Kosovo and Metohija, as well as to enhance the living conditions in those places. We need to somehow save our people and make sustainable living for serbs, especially in parts like Gracanica, Strpce, Novo Brdo and Kamenica.

I think this Albanian posters overhere have real problem with the fact that Oliver Ivanovic meet NATO and UNMIK officials to ensure Serbian safety. I guess they despise the possibility of KFOR protecting Serbs. I wonder if they are sad because of the limited actions against Serbs???

Isn't Oliver that wanted the Serbs to vote in the illegal Kosovo elections?
By not voting, haven't the K-Serbs rejected Oliver, and do not want him as their voice?

"This illegal action would no doubt justify the serbs in any retaliatory action. It would also justify anything else that the taliban or al-kaida did the USA. If 9/11 isn't a good enough reminder, then I don't know what is."

Did you intentionally mentioned al-kaida and serbs having a common goal against USA in one paragraph or it was just a silly mistake? Dude you are way over your head, even K-Albanians haven't gone this far with their accusation against Serbs. Although the other way around has been brought up frequently with the darkest intent. I hope one of you compatriots will correct this.

Sidi, is that your idea of a democratic independent multiethnic Kosovo? Or is it the monoethnic independent Kosovo you dream of? An ocean of Albanians that drifted to Serbian land is more like it.

The Serbs in Kosovo (the legitimate people of Kosovo) should not allow foreigners to choose their leader. Ivanovic is becoming a puppet of the west.

Hopefully no more repeat of 2004

Kosova is de facto independent. Serbian minority must be protected from NATO soldiers if any provocation from Belgrade will try to destabilise the situation. Everybody knows that Albanians are the least interested in any violence these days. So, the burden will surely rest with the Belgrade. Serbian minority in Kosova/Dardania will enjoy more rights and freedoms than even their compatriots in Serbia proper, who will continue to listen to Tales of Kostunica and Co.

i think something like half of my comments are actually published here, for whatever obscure reasons, but this one i really hope will be published:

i've visited kosovo/a about 5 times, in various cities, communities, mostly pristina, podujevo, prizren, but also mitrovica. from the sound of some of these postings, you would think kosovo/a was a shooting gallery and hate-only zone, but this is so different from what i've experienced. of course there is poverty, unemployment, power outages, and by all accounts mafia, drug smuggling and worse, but that is hardly unique to kosovo/a! i've witnessed many examples of albanians and serbs getting along, working on projects together, eating together. my ethnic-albanian frnd and i walked through both parts of mitrovica, and ate at a very trendy restaurant in the serb zone (numero uno.) and we had a very pleasant time, the food was excellent, people were frndly, no one was struck by a bolt of lightning. then we walked around, then hailed a cab. another time we met a serb journalist (originally fr blgd) at the grand hotel in pristina. it was all very normal, and not especially different from being in sarajevo or belgrade for that matter. there is nothing endemic to keep serbs and albanians from getting along (not to mention people of other ethnic groups, who always seem to get overlooked in these postings!) i really do beleve that if given half a chance, a modern, multi-ethnic kosovo/a can survive and even thrive. yes, w outside protection (nato) and with intl support and encouragement. but all of the threats to boycott, embargo, and perhaps worse: they really are agressive provocations and should be seen as such. over time, i have come to see that tadic, despite his good looks and charming exterior, is really just as much a nationalist as kostunica -- it just comes in a prettier, more sophisticated package.

sometimes when i read these postings, i think of that famous line of nikola tesla -- "their hate is enough to light up cities!" hey, come to think of it, maybe i do have an idea for the power shortages : ))

This Oliver something only represents himself!

What Macedonia try to prove by not changing their name, that doesn't belong to them ? As for Italy,better stay out.At the II W.War, left Greece in Reverse !

what happened to the non Albanian population over the years starting with the end of ww2 ps the Albanians were on hitlers side

PJD wrote:
"In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people."
"There is no concrete evidence to support this claim."
Just because there are enough Albanians yet alive? That's the reason that we don't wanna live with you again in a state when you -Serbs are dominating.

"That's the reason that we don't wanna live with you again in a state when you -Serbs are dominating."
Fair enough, although I wish to add something. You don't want to live in our land, Kosovo, so therefore we should leave? There's little wisdom in what you're saying. In fact, when the Serbs migrated to the land some 1500-2000 years ago, it was no one's really, and they got it from the Byzantine empire. The thing is, the Albanians in Kosovo should respect Kosovo's legal status as a part of Serbia and not try to secede. They came there illegally, and since Serbia is offering them full wide autonomy as it stands, saying something like "Serbs are dominating" and "I dont want to live with them" is very appalling, rude, demeaning, if you ask me.

Comic hopes no repeat of 2004.

In 2004, 20 people were killed, 9 of which were Albanians.

In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people.

Big difference.

Notice how this Oliver guy wants to form ghetto's for Serbs. He wants demarcation lines (barbed wire) to surround Serb enclaves. Then they blame the Albanians for creating ghettos. This guy is asking UMIK to do it for them. But let me tell you something. How long do you think 1000 Serbs will last in an ocean of Albanians? 10 years at the most? Their kids will not want to stay there when they grown up...Let's face it...whether Serbia likes it or not, it's only claim to Kosovo rests on a yellow piece of paper in its archives. In reality Albanians dominate every aspect of Kosovo.

Let's put troops up there to control the illegal entering of weapons from Belgrade into Mitrovica and protect what's left of those Albanians in there.

femi, wrote:

"In 2004, 20 people were killed, 9 of which were Albanians.

In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people.

Big difference."

I like how you worded this, typical. But allow me to clarify your propaganda for you.

- "In 2004, 20 people were killed, 9 of which were Albanians." This is true, and all of the Albanians that were killed were killed by NATO because they were uncontrollably trying to kill the remaining Serbs. They were warned and when they didn't heed the warning Nato had to do their job and protect the innocent.

- "In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people." In 1998 the deaths on ALL sides was 2,000 this included HUNDREDS of Police Officers, Mailmen, ordinary civilians Serbs and Albanians that the KLA targeted to threaten anyone who opposes their goals and use of violence. Their objective was to force a response from Belgrade. When that response came and the KLA was defeated in every confrontation Nato intervened for their own geopolitical goals. Thats when the real killing started. On all sides. Not every victim was Albanian as you state. That 10,000 figure includes all civilian and military deaths. Nato states they killed over 5,000 Serb military in the air strikes alone.

So yeah, i guess you can say BIG DIFFERENCE!

Unfortunately, sidi, that little piece of paper is worth more than a de facto sovereignty or illegally declared independence. That little piece of paper is the sole reason civilization has made it to where it is today. It represents our legal systems and the fact that they should be upheld without question, otherwise humanity spirals down into an abyss of tyranny and violence.

If the west, nato, and the EU recognize kosovo as sovereign, then fie upon your law and the means by which you hold on to it. This illegal action would no doubt justify the serbs in any retaliatory action. It would also justify anything else that the taliban or al-kaida did the USA. If 9/11 isn't a good enough reminder, then I don't know what is.

Femi you are living in a fantasy world and not reality. 10,000 people in 1999, dude. Probably 10,000 on both sides. UNMIK verfied 2,000 and if you were there Femi for the 10,000 that were killed show proof. No proof no crime. KLA was beaten, Nato provide Air Support but the KLA could not advance so stalemate until UN made a deal with Serbia 1244 and the Serb Forces left they were not driven from Kosovo. After convincing the KLA soon to be PM Thaci sign the agreeent. People seem to forget that.

"In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people."

There is no concrete evidence to support this claim.

Hopefully no more repeat of 2004

Femi, it was not 10,000 in 1999. It annoys me that b92 allows such fallacies to be said. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of the ethnic cleansing and killing in 1999 happened AFTER the bombing started, as a logical consequence of the bombing that the US state department predicted. You see, the west accused us of genocide because we did not want to become another banana republic. We are not the problem. Proof of that is Vojvodina.

KS, why not stop the hordes of weapons that came from Albania? Why not destroy those places that had KLA training sites inside of Albania, not far from the border.

But anyways, it is vitally important to preserve our enclaves in Kosovo and Metohija, as well as to enhance the living conditions in those places. We need to somehow save our people and make sustainable living for serbs, especially in parts like Gracanica, Strpce, Novo Brdo and Kamenica.

This Oliver something only represents himself!

Isn't Oliver that wanted the Serbs to vote in the illegal Kosovo elections?
By not voting, haven't the K-Serbs rejected Oliver, and do not want him as their voice?

Sidi: The boundary of demarcation is a suggestion to protect Serbian communities from Albanians. Interesting observation you make linking territorial claims with ethnic population. Greece, Macedonia, and Montenegro beware!

Femi: How many other years shall we cite besides 1999? There are plenty of Serbian casualties from the past to blame Albanians for.

Therefore, let's stay in the present. In that context, it's very obvious, why Serbian leaders in Kosovo are in consultations about their security issues.

"This illegal action would no doubt justify the serbs in any retaliatory action. It would also justify anything else that the taliban or al-kaida did the USA. If 9/11 isn't a good enough reminder, then I don't know what is."

Did you intentionally mentioned al-kaida and serbs having a common goal against USA in one paragraph or it was just a silly mistake? Dude you are way over your head, even K-Albanians haven't gone this far with their accusation against Serbs. Although the other way around has been brought up frequently with the darkest intent. I hope one of you compatriots will correct this.

I think this Albanian posters overhere have real problem with the fact that Oliver Ivanovic meet NATO and UNMIK officials to ensure Serbian safety. I guess they despise the possibility of KFOR protecting Serbs. I wonder if they are sad because of the limited actions against Serbs???

Kosova is de facto independent. Serbian minority must be protected from NATO soldiers if any provocation from Belgrade will try to destabilise the situation. Everybody knows that Albanians are the least interested in any violence these days. So, the burden will surely rest with the Belgrade. Serbian minority in Kosova/Dardania will enjoy more rights and freedoms than even their compatriots in Serbia proper, who will continue to listen to Tales of Kostunica and Co.

Sidi, is that your idea of a democratic independent multiethnic Kosovo? Or is it the monoethnic independent Kosovo you dream of? An ocean of Albanians that drifted to Serbian land is more like it.

The Serbs in Kosovo (the legitimate people of Kosovo) should not allow foreigners to choose their leader. Ivanovic is becoming a puppet of the west.

i think something like half of my comments are actually published here, for whatever obscure reasons, but this one i really hope will be published:

i've visited kosovo/a about 5 times, in various cities, communities, mostly pristina, podujevo, prizren, but also mitrovica. from the sound of some of these postings, you would think kosovo/a was a shooting gallery and hate-only zone, but this is so different from what i've experienced. of course there is poverty, unemployment, power outages, and by all accounts mafia, drug smuggling and worse, but that is hardly unique to kosovo/a! i've witnessed many examples of albanians and serbs getting along, working on projects together, eating together. my ethnic-albanian frnd and i walked through both parts of mitrovica, and ate at a very trendy restaurant in the serb zone (numero uno.) and we had a very pleasant time, the food was excellent, people were frndly, no one was struck by a bolt of lightning. then we walked around, then hailed a cab. another time we met a serb journalist (originally fr blgd) at the grand hotel in pristina. it was all very normal, and not especially different from being in sarajevo or belgrade for that matter. there is nothing endemic to keep serbs and albanians from getting along (not to mention people of other ethnic groups, who always seem to get overlooked in these postings!) i really do beleve that if given half a chance, a modern, multi-ethnic kosovo/a can survive and even thrive. yes, w outside protection (nato) and with intl support and encouragement. but all of the threats to boycott, embargo, and perhaps worse: they really are agressive provocations and should be seen as such. over time, i have come to see that tadic, despite his good looks and charming exterior, is really just as much a nationalist as kostunica -- it just comes in a prettier, more sophisticated package.

sometimes when i read these postings, i think of that famous line of nikola tesla -- "their hate is enough to light up cities!" hey, come to think of it, maybe i do have an idea for the power shortages : ))

What Macedonia try to prove by not changing their name, that doesn't belong to them ? As for Italy,better stay out.At the II W.War, left Greece in Reverse !

what happened to the non Albanian population over the years starting with the end of ww2 ps the Albanians were on hitlers side

PJD wrote:
"In 1999 10 000 Albanians were killed by Serbian people."
"There is no concrete evidence to support this claim."
Just because there are enough Albanians yet alive? That's the reason that we don't wanna live with you again in a state when you -Serbs are dominating.

"That's the reason that we don't wanna live with you again in a state when you -Serbs are dominating."
Fair enough, although I wish to add something. You don't want to live in our land, Kosovo, so therefore we should leave? There's little wisdom in what you're saying. In fact, when the Serbs migrated to the land some 1500-2000 years ago, it was no one's really, and they got it from the Byzantine empire. The thing is, the Albanians in Kosovo should respect Kosovo's legal status as a part of Serbia and not try to secede. They came there illegally, and since Serbia is offering them full wide autonomy as it stands, saying something like "Serbs are dominating" and "I dont want to live with them" is very appalling, rude, demeaning, if you ask me.